/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15966090
>BUT NO!! YOU CAN'T JUST MEASURE ONE YEAR!!
>YOU HAVE TO MEASURE THE EXACT AMOUNT OF YEARS WITHIN A TIME FRAME I SPECIFY THAT SHOWS A WARMING TREND!!
>What the fuck is the Eemian?
>PETM? Never heard of him.
>Clearly dinosaurs were trudging through snow all the time. Canada isn't warm, duh!

>>15966090
>km^2
What about volume and temp?

>>YOU HAVE TO MEASURE THE EXACT AMOUNT OF YEARS WITHIN A TIME FRAME I SPECIFY THAT SHOWS A WARMING TREND!!
Just compare present day temperatures to preindustrial temps.

Hmm

>>15966188
>the global warming Institute
why do you keep on posting this blatant propaganda? are you lampooning the greta shills or are you doing it unironically?

>>15966090
>Wait for an exceptionally hot year
>Pick some random metric related to climate change in said year
>Compare it to current year, which is cooler
>Ignore historical trends
>Deboonk global warming
>Rinse and repeat whenever a new record breaking hot year takes place
Deboonkers are gonna be stuck on 2023 for a while, it was pretty toasty. This is their new 2016

>>15966197
>no basic monthly satellite temperature data is fake
How is it being brainrotted?

how come the people who claim to be upset about so-called global warming also get upset when they see that antarctic sea ice is increasing?
shouldn't they be happy to see antarctic sea ice increasing if they're truly concerned about global warming?

>>15966237
Any random fluctuation in sea ice has nothing to do with global warming. It's like saying that because there was a short squeeze that skyrocketed Gamestop's stock by 400% that it's not a failing company which will go bankrupt.

>>15966243
tell that to the journos who run sky-is-falling "muh global boiling" articles about the sea ice every other week

>>15966185
We don't have preindustrial temperatures, retard. That's why global warming alarmists always focus on 1850 like that's some precious perfect global temperature despite being locked in an ice age. Problem is, we have photos from around that time and sea level has risen...oh wait it hasn't.

>>15966188
This actually agrees with OP.
Since the ice didn't melt, the rest of the ocean is warmer.

>>15966305
they post the same garbage on this board just as regularly, they don't care who thoroughly its all been debunked because they're perfectly comfortable with being dishonest in order to shill their agenda

>>15966090
Nobody ever said it would decline. This only proves climate change, in fact.

>>15967376
Climate change is the kafka trap of science.

>>15966188
Keep inventing new graphs to worry about

>>15966090
That's just because 2023 had exceptionally low sea ice. The overall trend is still down.

>>15966211
old data

>>15966478
>We don't have preindustrial temperatures, retard
We do, retard. Ever heard of isotopes fractionation?

>>15967783
Ah, so why is the sacred 1850 used again?

>>15968061
Feel free to suggest a better year that marks the beginning of human CO2 emissions. 1900 is too late, and the emissions in 1800 were not significantly lower than in 1840. Choosing 1850 as a cutoff is surely as good as 1849 or 1851, but the correct answer lies within +/- 10 years or so of 1850.
There's nothing sacred about it, it's just common sense to choose "before 1850" as a reference point.

Just dump fertilizer into the ocean
No one should care about climate change
It's trivial to fix

>>15966090
Just shows the climate is highly variable and that we should execute the environmentalists.

>>15968178
You are like a little babby. Watch this.

>>15968361
Ah right, in your plot it looks more like 1853, thanks it's much more clear now.

>>15966090
interesting
could you compare it to the past 50 years so we can see how it measures up against other years?
just wondering, because if 2023 was exceptionally warm then you could end up with the wrong impression by just comparing against a single year

>>15968361
not sure what that's meant to demonstrate
yes, temperatures fluctuate quite a lot over very long spans of time, that's nothing new
doesn't even come close to the rate we're currently seeing

>>15966237
They get angry because it messes with their fear mongering business.

>>15968525
The point all global warming retards miss is that this is one of the coldest points in Earth's history and that is undesirable.

>doesn't even come close to the rate we're currently seeing
This is also one of those common talking points of global warming whackos that comes from dementia and ignorance. 12,000 years ago the Earth warmed so fast sea levels rose several hundred feet within a few centuries. It was so fast every culture on Earth old enough remembers it as the great flood. So far the current "warming" is happening so fast that within the past 173 years, we've seen NO rise in sea level.

>>15968589
>12,000 years ago the Earth warmed so fast
Blatantly false.
The warming rate at the early Holocene was 1C/~1000 years and now it's 1.2C/100 years

>>15968595
What’s a factor 8 to shills who lie as blatantly as >>15966237

>>15968589
>global warming retards
people who point out that humans are causing global warming are just stating objective facts
that's the opposite of retardation, which would be denying and refusing to acknowledge those facts
>this is one of the coldest points in Earth's history
over geologic time, yes, but if we look at e.g. just the past million years, it's an interglacial temperature peak, and the temperature increases we're seeing right now are unprecedented
>common talking points
yeah, it's a common talking point because it's a fact that is quite worrisome and should alarm people
>12,000 years ago the Earth warmed so fast sea levels rose several hundred feet within a few centuries
see, now you're already demonstrating that you don't really have your facts straight, because this is a ridiculous exaggerations
the largest meltwater pulses at that point have been estimated as follows:
>Solid geoloical evidence, based largely upon analysis of deep cores of coral reefs, exists only for three major periods of accelerated sea level rise, called meltwater pulses, during the last deglaciation.
>The first, Meltwater pulse 1A, lasted between c. 14.6–14.3 ka and was a 13.5 m (44 ft) rise over about 290 years centered at 14.2 ka.
>The EHSLR spans Meltwater pulses 1B and 1C, between 12,000 and 7,000 years ago:
>Meltwater pulse 1B between c. 11.4–11.1 ka, a 7.5 m (25 ft) rise over about 160 years centered at 11.1 ka, which includes the end of Younger Dryas interval of reduced sea level rise at about 6.0–9.9 mm (0.2–0.4 in)/yr;
>Meltwater pulse 1C between c. 8.2–7.6 ka, centered at 8.0 ka, a rise of 6.5 m (21 ft) in less than 140 years.
combining all three pulses, despite the fact that they happened separately and thus ultimately over thousands of years, just for the sake of argument (steelmanning your argument), we get a rise of 27.5 meters over 590 years (and the entire period would be 6k-7k years)
this was the beginning of the interglacial too
at this point you're dishonest

>>15968606
>if we look at e.g. just the past million years
I prefer to use a reference OUTSIDE of an ice age. Why did you write all this shit? You're wrong. Just cope.

>>15968699
>I prefer to use a reference OUTSIDE of an ice age.
most of human evolution, especially the past couple of million years that were the period during which our brains exploded in size and we become fully human, we've been in an ice age
in other words, trying to look outside of that gives a very poor idea of what has been normal during human existence
and still, the rises in temperature we're seeing are unprecedented regardless

>>15968724
I don't give a shit about humans. But you're wrong there too. Humans evolved in the tropics and are still best suited to them, so not even the bipedal rats would be harmed by a tropical planet.

>>15968847
>But you're wrong there too.
everything I've said is correct
>Humans evolved in the tropics and are still best suited to them
couldn't agree more, so this isn't an argument against anything I'm saying
>so not even the bipedal rats would be harmed by a tropical planet
the idea that rapid global warming will simply lead to a "tropical planet" is unfounded, because some of the reasons global temperatures are increasing have to do with how humans are decimating forests, so what you'll get instead are massive floods that wash away whatever soil is left, and subsequently everything will become a barren wasteland

>>15967662
its one of them, covid-19 is another

>>15968847
oh wow, you're such an edgy little teenager, we are so impressed

>>15969192
Wasn't clever the first time an NPC said it, won't be the last time your kind gasps for breath.

>>15968952
>massive floods that wash away whatever soil is left
This has NOTHING to do with global warming and everything to do with destruction of vegetation.

>>15969259
Reduction of temperature difference between equator and poles -> weak jet stream -> more stable lows -> more precipitation in particular, very localised areas -> more local flooding

>>15969583
>global warming causes droughts
but also
>global warming causes too much rain

>>15966090
The cabal is updating the science based on their new strategy. The data influences the scientists, the scientists influence policy, policy influences companies, etc.

>>15970699
>The data influences the scientists,
Anything else would be pretty bad, wouldn't it?
>the scientists influence policy,
I wish.
>policy influences companies, etc.
Again, I wish. It's the other way around though.

>>15970709
>Anything else would be pretty bad, wouldn't it?
As a scientist, do you obtain field data yourself, or is it provided to you? My core message is that the data itself is manipulated to fit strategic policy. For example, parts of W. Europe (especially Germany) face deinstrialization and economic hardship over their decision to largely abandon hydrocarbons, due to CO2 and its impact on climate change. Now, we are seeing data claiming Antarctic sea ice extent is up 28% from this date last year. What a coincidence...

>>15970776
>As a scientist, do you obtain field data yourself, or is it provided to you?
The term "field data" doesn't make sense in most fields. Also, what does "provided to you" mean? Are you one of those people who freak out when data are calibrated/corrected? The "show the real data faggot" kind?

>>15970782
NTA.
Interesting how you avoid recognizing that the most of the data sources are centralized.

>>15969583
Sounds pretty awesome though.

>>15970652
That's because it's not global warming doing it. It's desertification caused by plant genocide.

>>15971094
the biggest flood in californa occurred 163 years ago, how come there hasn't been a bigger one more recently if global warming causes floods?

>>15966211
>which is cooler
So we're undergoing global freezing?????

>>15971390
Why would global warming cause floods? I mean maybe coastal ones.

>>15971409
yes, the start of the next ice age has commenced.

>>15973041
>next
You mean glaciation stage. We're currently in the Holocene Interglacial. During the Pleistocene Ice Age.

>>15973041
tsmt

>>15973370
It's even worse on the longer time frame. >>15968361

Latitude 39 North Here. Supposed to be negative 7 degrees tomorrow. Lets try and put more CO2 in the air so that I can be toastier in the winter.

>>15973370
What’s the y and time axis?

>>15973041
>coldest interglacial period in half a million years
is this global warming?

this is happening because I used hairspray and drove a car. I feel so guilty. I guess communism is the only answer.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/8AHkAJrpAxd4/

>>15974057
People like you clearly went to school in the USA and have zero ability to objectively work out real world problems.
Go back to watching your tiktok videos and leave scientific issues to someone who is able to scientifically work with the big picture.
If any of you think with your USA grade 12 = to grade 6 most anywhere else, skills will be able to comprehend these charts/facts/samples in a scientific field, you seem to be about as intelligent as the commander in chief you voted in.
Just go back to ignoring the facts and bombing anyone who doesn't tell you what you want to hear

>>15974091
get over your nationalistic inferiority complex with respect to america
or go to >>>/int/
you have nothing to say in this topic other that
>reeeee I h8 usa!!!!
>your dum!!!!!
no technical input whatsoever

>>15966212
take a look in the mirror

>>15967783
Proxies are estimates, not direct measurements. You can't compare a proxy record to an instrumental record and pretend they are measuring the same thing. You can't splice data sets like that, gathered with completely different instruments and methodologies, and pretend they are concurrent.
In any other discipline this would be laughed out of the door.

>>15977343
They keep telling us that the reason everyone is having colder and longer winters is because they arctic is "warming", yet it never actually is.

>>15977348
You mean at one time it would have been. Shit work like this is the norm in "science" now.

>>15977763
Its like that because global warming is a big lie

>>15966478
>what about volume and temp?
>NOOO YOU CAN'T JUST ASK THAT RETARD!!!

>>15966478
>Problem is, we have photos from around that time and sea level has risen...oh wait it hasn't
>What are tides again?

>>15978936
Buddy, if your "catastrophic sea level rise" is literally within the margin of error of the tides, I think we're safe ignoring it.

>>15978968
>your "catastrophic sea level rise"
Where did I (or someone else) use that word? And where did I (or anyone else) claim that the sea level rise is or will be greater than tidal differences? I'm waiting.

>I think we're safe ignoring it.
In the meantime, think of your blood pressure as tides. 120 mmHg is the high tide, 80 mmHg is the low tide. Now, add 20mmHg. Yes, that's within the old range. Yes, if you take photos before and after, you'll be able to snap a picture at 107 mmHg in both cases (le ebin proof). But if your average increases by 20 mmHg, you've got high blood pressure and ignoring it might shorten your life. Are you going to "debunk" your doctor about his claim that your blood pressure is a serious health issue?

>>15978977

>>15978991
lol. lmfao. Try again. That whole conversation was under the assumption "what if CO2 doubled" (which it didn't and no one assumed it would spontaneously double, it was just a "what if")
>Bob Reiss reports the conversation as follows:
>"When I interviewed James Hansen I asked him to speculate on what the view outside his office window could look like in 40 years with doubled CO2. I'd been trying to think of a way to discuss the greenhouse effect in a way that would make sense to average readers. I wasn't asking for hard scientific studies. It wasn't an academic interview. It was a discussion with a kind and thoughtful man who answered the question. You can find the description in two of my books, most recently The Coming Storm."

>>15979010
no it wasn't, in 1998 Hansen predicted that because of global warming, sea level would rise so much in 20 years that west side highway would by underwater by 2018.
instead what really happened is that sea level hasn't risen a millimeter and that proves that global warming is a false narrative.

>>15980164
>what really happened is that sea level hasn't risen a millimeter
What even is your point? Why do you erect a strawman so ridiculous and already disproven just to come up with something even more stupid than what you allege someone else said? You could've said "the sea levels have not risen by by 20 meters", which would have left you as a heroic strawman slayer. But instead you decided to make a clown out of yourself. Seriously, why?

>>15968361
"but muh Cambrian mean ocean temperature was 10C higher than average, which means our delicate global civilisation and ecosystem is FINE with rapid increases"

>>15978977
Honestly, sea levels seem to have been as stable as my blood pressure: unchanged for decades.

>>15980183
>our delicate global civilisation
Hold it right there. A planet overrun with stinking shitskins overseen by literal childraping demons is not "global civilization". It's hell on Earth and it NEEDS to get drowned in a global flood. The implication you useless fucking women always throw out is that any of this shit SHOULD be preserved. Everything needs to fucking burn.

>>15980733
>>>/x/
>>>/pol/

>>15980746
>>>Hell

>>15980175
sea level hasn't risen a millimeter.
anyone can easily make a fake graph which says sea level is up

>>15981744
this is the orignal image, the one you're replying to is a shoop

>>15982369
>sea level down by 15cm over then past 60 years
how do global warming shills explain this?

>>15982369
>original
Lol no. You saved that off 4chan and didn't even bother to change the file name

>>15983949
They don't

>>15982369
Weird, why is the filename of the original the exact timestamp of >>15980175?

>>15984325
They can't

>>15984334
this is what you look like

>>15983949

>>15966478
These images are retarded. You'd have to know the date and time of the old and new image and where the moon was relative to those to rule out tides and other nonsense.

>>15966090
Buy low, sell high. Not that hard.

>>15987048
>sea level in a location recently covered in an ice sheet drops at a steady rate from 1800-1900
>the rate decrease significantly and is much lower from 1950-2020
than in the 19th century
>deniers are incapable of reasoning and therefore use this is evidence that sea level rise isn't happening
kek

>>15987048
Interesting that all the (literally) hard evidence seems to indicate sea level has actually been going DOWN.

>>15988032
There is nowhere on the planet with measurable sea level rise. There are lots of places where sea level is going down, so on average sea level for the whole planet must be receding

Excellent video on the topic of climate change
https://files.catbox.moe/i78sty.mp4

>>15966090
Is every single post here a Tony Heller repost?
https://realclimate.science/2024/01/03/antarctic-sea-ice-extent-up-28/

>>15990469
isn't amazing how one honest man can debunk a whole field of science populated by thousands and thousands of liars

>>15991088
It's amazing how one shill can spam an entire board.

>>15991088
Many such cases. Often the only time we hear the truth on a given subject is because of one dedicated autistic shitposter.

>>15991088
>>15991297
Take your meds

>>15991305
No u.

>>15987105
Bro, denialists are retards. Of course their funny Facebook meme photos are retarded too.

>>15977763
To be fair there's quite literally a world of difference between the artic and antarctic.

>>15987105
As you idiots have been told multiple times, if your "catestrophic" sea level change for the past 150 years is easily masked by tidal differences, it's not worth giving a fuck about. Get back to me when a single billionaire's coastal mansion falls into the ocean (from something other than erosion).

>>15991345
Like the holohoax, if you have to lie about the subject as often as global warming alarmists do, chances are you were never telling the truth to begin with.

>>15991351
Lemme check something real quick.

>current McMurdo temperature: 17°F

You know, I have little doubt of what I'll find when I keep checking these temps, and yet I never get surprised.

>>15991390
So in conclusion, right now the US is experiencing unseasonable cold (what else is new these days?), yet BOTH arctic AND antarctic temps are nominal. Odd. It's almost like some other factor is at play than just temperature.

>>15991448
>right now the US is experiencing unseasonable cold
What makes you think that?
>yet BOTH arctic AND antarctic temps are nominal.
The arctic looks a bit warm to me.
>Odd
What is odd about this? Is the weather in the US somehow correlated or anticorrelated with the weather at both poles normally?

>>15991818
>the global warming institute
thats a political shill website, not a science website

>>15991847
Do you alt right faggots only trust your own weather reports now?

>>15991390
>As you idiots have been told multiple times, if your "catestrophic" sea level change for the past 150 years is easily masked by tidal differences, it's not worth giving a fuck about. Get back to me when a single billionaire's coastal mansion falls into the ocean (from something other than erosion).
Dude, since the mid-1800s, it rose about 6-8", how would you be able to tell from this picture alone?
Aside, if trends continue, then expect that to accelerate.Instead of 150 years, it would take half of that for another 6-8"

>>15991849
>everyone who doesn't believe in my religion is an alt-right heretic
god i fucking love science

>>15992320
So, you don’t have alternative weather reports?

>>15966090
that means it's working, unpredictable results are part of our theory

>>15966090
>World added 50% more renewable capacity in 2023 than in 2022
>Antarctic sea ice extent is up
Great news, we should keep building renewables to heal our planet.

>>15992464
>produced more CO2 than last year
the way forward is clear

>>15991390
>Ethan Dicks
Imagine your parents surname is Dicks and they decided to name you Eatin'

>>15966090
Sounds about right, as cold as this winter has been.

>>15967783
>>15968178
So then why are you retards claiming 2023 is the hottest year on record? The Earth was 4 degrees hotter 125kya. Does that now not count as "on record"? This is why the global warming madness won't quit. Like someone else said, you just take a metric you like and can use to argue global warming, then pilpul pilpul pilpul. Presto! Global Warming!

>>15991818
This map is completely fabricated. I'm in Florida and it is NOT warmer than average in January. It is the total opposite. And there isn't a single person in Florida that isn't aware of this.

>>15991849
I trust the weather stations taking temperature measurements in real time. Did you actually check those or just look at a colored picture that's clearly being dishonest?

>>15992191
>Dude, since the mid-1800s, it rose about 6-8", how would you be able to tell from this picture alone?
Like I said. This is just plausible deniability. We have actual evidence that shows sea level DECREASING significantly over the past few centuries to millennia. We have ZERO evidence of it increasing. The 8 cm shit is pure cope.

>>15992338
Nigger the person you first replied to was me and you were literally replying to me reading you temps from a weather station and posting a chart of what the temp should be. Don't get smug, bitch.

>>15967662
communism is the only answer for these problems, oddly
https://www.bitchute.com/video/8AHkAJrpAxd4/

>>15968606
>people who point out that humans are causing global warming are just stating objective facts
it is a fact that c02 or water vapor or any other gas cannot cause climate change.

>>15966090
They turned off HAARP or what?

>>15991849
>>>/pol/

For the idiots thinking that an increase in carbon emissions isn't manmade. Carbon has 3 carbon isotopes. C14, C13, and C12. Unfortunately C14 was spewed into the atmosphere during nuclear bomb testing, so we can do much historical analysis there. But we can look at C12/C13. The weird thing is, plants prefer to absorb C12 over C13 because it's more efficient. So we end up with a concentration of C12 that's higher inside of the plant than what's in the atmosphere. If you, say, dig up a bunch of those plants and burn them, ie fossil fuels, then you would see the ratio of C13/C12 to drop, meaning more C12 in the atmosphere, which is exactly what we see in the data. Humans caused and increased in CO2.

>>15995915
okay

>>15995915
Wow cool. Now when does the planet start warming?

>>15996531
>Imagine being this retarded

>>15993273
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOHPuY88Ry4

>>15996810
I'm fucking waiting.

>>15982369
Thanks for posting the original

>>16000195
Real environmentalist here. I don't give a fuck about global warming lies. I'm actually in favor of global warming. Ice is dogshit. I want the entire world covered in rainforest, swamp and coral reef.

>>15967783

Why assume that the different values in proxy medium proves that the temperatures changed and the medium did not? Would it not be more Logical to assume that the medium changed such that the same temperature produced different values therein?

>>15998437
Name a single priceless artwork that was destroyed

>>15991818
>1979-2000 baseline
Lol.

>>15967783
isotope decay is independent of temperature

>>16000943
its not even a real baseline, its a "temperature record" that gets adjusted to fit whatever narrative they're shilling

>>16001418
Read again.

>>15980183
>humans will die from starvation due to overpopulation!
>humans will die from the coming ice age!
>humans will die from global warming!
>humans will die from climate change!
>look, human civilization is only able to survive in a narrow band of termperatures!
YOU ARE HERE
>look, humans just can't survive, our extinction is inevitable

>>16002426
How's the weather in Sankt Petersburg?

>>16002426
Let's fucking hope.

>>16000512
you're going to need shallower oceans for that

>>16003378
That's why I want to fire most of the ice off into space also.

>>16003448
why not just use some mountain ranges to fill in the oceans, that would be easier.

>>16004226
There's too much water on this planet. And what remains needs to be more equitably distributed to the land and freshwater sources.

>>15966090
Does asphalt contribute to global warming? I think it may retain heat thus contributing to climate change but of course I need an expert opinion.

>>16004384
Yes, and paving over land is included in change in albedo from land use changes, which is a part of every climate model.

>>16004458
Does asphalt have a higher heat capacity?

>>16004463
A higher heat capacity than what? Higher tha most but not all minerals, lower than wood, lower than water. In most cases higher than what was there before, probably. Heat capacity doesn't really matter in terms of global climate though. It's the proportion of solar radiation reflected that's important.

>>16004473
Heat capacity does, however, affect how the local climate changes. Think of city climate with cities becoming more continental as they heat up quicker in summer. A couple of years ago I saw a study that found for my city that a global warming of 1.5° could lead to an increase of 8-10° in peak summer temperatures, since there's little heat capacity (parks) and bad air flow.

>>16004499
That's still mostly an effect of albedo. It doesn't have much to do with heat capacity, which would be expected to lower peak midday temperatures given no other change.

>>16004515
Forests have an albedo of ~10. Just how low are albedos of pavement, buildings etc for this to be an albedo effect?

>>16004535
0.04 to 0.16
.1 is about the absolute minimum for any forest though. Most are higher, especially since there will be areas of soil and smaller plants. Forests get cooling from the evaporation of water as well, though.

>>16004535
nope.
blackbody formulas aren't capable of accounting for organic life and its not possible to assign an albedo value in the context you're talking about to a plant because the plants absorb radiation without ever remitting it.

>>16005794
>plants absorb radiation without ever remitting it.
Wrong.

>>16006201
thats how it is, sorry if that upsets you.

>>16006876
>Imagine being so retarded that you didn't understand how metabolism and decomposition work

>>16007038
So you're trying tell us that coal, oil and natural gas isn't really made out of billion year old organic matter and all life immediately decays almost instantaneously. How does the abiotic origins of petroleum work? How did fossils get there if organic like all decays so quickly? Did god put the fossils there?

>>16007607
>almost instantaneously
Compared to the timescales of the mentioned fossil fuels, that's pretty much instantaneous, yes. A tree may live for 10, 100 or a few hundred years before it dies, rots and releases all the saved energy as heat again. Every bit of radiation that's absorbed by a plant will be released as heat eventually. Climate is about balances, and not on the scale of seconds.

>>16007607
>So you're trying tell us that coal, oil and natural gas doesn't really release energy when it burns? Plants just permanently take energy out of the universe somehow without ever needing to store or release it? Where does it all go? Do God's tax collectors come and pick it up?
I genuinely cannot fathom being as retarded as you.

>>15966478
What about all those sinking pacific micro countries?

>>16008400
The Maldives is the lowest lying counry on Earth. Looks like rich pedophiles are still vacaying there.

>>16000925
Nigga they literally tried to stain a roman fountain and throw food at the Mona Lisa, what are you on about.

climate hysteria is by far the gayest doomsday cult ever created

>>16008467
Why shouldn’t they go there for vacation? It’s not like global warming will gobble them up overnight.

>>16009454
Art restorationists and cleaners destroy more art than that all the time.

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-26270260
https://www.artandobject.com/slideshows/5-art-restoration-fails-will-blow-your-mind
https://listverse.com/2020/09/18/top-10-times-art-restoration-resulted-in-art-destruction/

>>15995915
i don't think these people believe in isotopes

>>15997111
You can stop waiting. I cleaned my bicycle in a T-shirt today. In February.

>>16007607
Deepest fossil ever found is only half the depth of the deepest oil found.

>>16009473
Unfortunately those wef fuckers, democrats, and socialists want to exterminate half the population no matter how. Either all of them die or they will kill us, there is no middle ground.

>>16009509
Fuck off, you child fucker apologist.

>>16009509
I thought it was though?

>>16009575
>Indian summer is proof of global warming
>A snowball isn't proof of global cooling
Okay.

>>16009619
This is one of the dumbest comments I've ever seen. Oil's a liquid, stupid. A lot of paleontologists working 2 miles down are there?

>>16009657
People are so stupid they actually believe fewer humans or a warmer planet is bad.

>>16009714
how come people who say that the planet would be better off with fewer people never commit suicide in order to achieve their stated goal?

>>16009701
Why would you think that? Are you stupid?

>>16009869
I don't think that. But global warming alarmists keep claiming it.

>>16009793
Because genocide is more effective. And quality is also important. Being an NPC and a woman, you wouldn't understand why sacrificing you helps society.

>>16009923
Really? Name one time this happened. Not necessarily overnight, but anything that suggests that going to the Maldives was dangerous.

>>15967783
no

>>15977343
Wait, why is it flat? I thought it was shrinking?

>>15991818
>1 day average anomaly
lmao

>>16010032
It shows the area, not the volume or mass.

>>16010037
>right now

>>16010044
>surface area roughly 50/5 mild blue/mild orange

>>16010055
> the US

>>15991818
Chnage the red color to green, and you'll see that there's absolutely nothing out of the ordinary.

>>16010066
Nope, still the same map showing the same data.

>>16010066
Please change the color and then show how the arctic temperature is normal or the US is experiencing an exceptional cold.

Do retards actually buy into the whole man made climate hysteria still?

>>16010070
>>16010075
Here you go retard, look at how nice and green the planet is now, I guess cow farts aren't going to simultaneously light us all on fire and cause the earth to flood after all.

>>16010088
The US still is not exceptionally cold. And the warm spot in the arctic is still warm. Only the Color scale doesn’t allow distinguishing between 10 and 18° above normal.

>>16010088
Do the latest one. Do you think the arctic will look less hot if it’s green?

>>16010091
Both are within normal tolerances, and look calming and soothing now that I've changed the color. Climate hysteria has been solve, you can cancel the rest of your therapy sessions and stop trying to destroy classical art now.

>>16010095
What are the normal tolerances?

>>16010098
What they usually are.

>>16010088
>>16010095
>>16010099
Nope. Still the same map with the same data and it's still just as concerning. What you have just demonstrated is that you don't understand how to interpret data and the only thing you understand is scary colors.

>>16010092
>the global warming institute
why do you keep on spamming this board with political propaganda?
go to /pol/ if you want to discuss politics

>>16011557
Take your meds.

>>16011557
>the global warming institute
Are you hallucinating?

>>16011557
>>16011687
The global warming institute changed their name during the Bush administration. Now they're the Climate Change Institute of the University of Maine

>>16011712
>Now they're the Climate Change Institute of the University of Maine
everyone there would be out of a job if they ever admitted that global warming is a big hoax, so they're financially incentivized to lie about global warming.

>>16012231
Everyone at NASA would lose their job if they claimed that the earth was flat. Everyone at McDonald's would lose their job if they claimed their meat was human flesh. Doesn't make either true

>>16010761
All climate hysteria is scary colors and pseudoscience.

>>16012486
Why do chuds get scared by colours?

>>16012491
I'm going to decarbonize you.

>>16012494
You won't leave your mother's basement.

>>15966211
Don't forget to ideally pick a metric that only reflects some local climate and doesn't necessarily say anything about any global trends

>>16013379
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>>16013379
So no significant change in 50 years

>>15992464
correlation != causation

>>16010077
Nobody said this.

>>16013757

>>16013764
Renewable buildouts cause global warming.

>>16013780
Correct. They make Canada habitable. We should build more of them and soon crops will grow in Antarctica.

>>16013804
Wrong. Global warming = polar vortex collapse = colder Canada.

>>16013806
>global warming = cold
Ok retard. Whatever you say.

>>16013808
Science has spoken shill

>>16013808
Get educated.

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/blogs/polar-vortex/cooking-stratospheric-polar-vortex-disruption

>>16014213
>climate.gov

>>16015010
Take your meds.

>>15966090
amazingly, this good news makes the global warming freaks angry. you'd think they'd be happy to see it, but instead it makes them chimp out

>>15966211
reminder that CO2 is not a greenhouse gas

>>15968525
Why do you think the rate is a problem?

>>15980183
Yes, that's right. The only thing threatening civilization is dysgenics. Gets hotter? AC and pool sales go up. Gets colder? Rockwool and snowplough sales go up.
>Muh eco bullshit
The vast majority of species are irrelevant to mankind. Those that are, honey bees, cows, corn, mushrooms, will never go extinct precisely because man can make money from them.

The free market is and always will be the best solution to climate change.

>>15987980
Which means that same mechanism will keep that location dry. I wonder how many locations experience land-rise at a higher rate than sea level rise,immunizing them from the encroaching sea.
Conversely I wonder if the effect of building on river deltas and swampland might impact the stability of the soil. Perhaps this effect might be a stronger contributor to future flooding in places like NYC.

>>15991390
>if your "catestrophic" sea level change for the past 150 years is easily masked by tidal differences, it's not worth giving a fuck about.
My thoughts exactly. People fearing sea level rises seem to forget people routinely knock down old houses and build anew. If sea level increase is real, people will just bias their house building inland.

>>15966090
>only looking at extent
>ignoring thickness
You guys are so stupid and easy to debunk.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/09/230901124054.htm

>>15992191
Here's what the IPCC says:
Worst case scenario is 1.7cm/y, ending in a 95cm rise by the end of the century.
Best case scenario (carbon taxes, further government interference in the market, bug eating etc) is 0.2cm/y, ending in a 25cm rise by the end of the century.
8.5x and 3.8x difference respectively.

Being less charitable taking the averages its a 3x cm/y difference and 1.7x times total sea level rise.
1 meter by 2100 doesn't strike me as disaster. The difference between the scenarios is even less alarming.

>>16016416
Idk, go check it out yourself.
>https://coast.noaa.gov/slr

>>16016416
>IPCC
fake and gay political organization, not a scientific body

>>16016584
Don't get it. Property prices drop in low lying land, this justifies redistributing those potential losses amongst the population through taxation? Don;t see how this is a crisis. Humans deal with the environment.

>>16017156
I know, but I feel it's good to use leftist's own material against them.

>>16016416
Do you have a picture of this sea level rise?

>>16018074
You just responded to one.

Just curious, what do plants use...oxygen or CO2?

Yeah sit down and shut up climate alarmists. You are better off getting back to planting trees rather than impede human progress.

>>16018159
They use both, you massive retard. You should kill yourself rather than continue contaminating the gene pool.

>>15966090
Imagine being stupid enough to literally shill for globalist corporations interests (consumerism/population growth) and think yourself some sort of edgy rebel while doing so.
Imagine being OP.

>>16018166

Got any long term moving average charts?
I found this on plebbit, but it's not very good.

>>15991448
Meanwhile this summer in Western Australia is bordering a record breaker.
This happens often with the spread of temperatures between north and south from mean being larger for both hemispheres when one of them is very cold or very warm. They balance each other out.

But the overall spread, the difference in temp between the two, does seem to be magnifying.
That's a bigger issue than mere warming or cooling and no one talks about it.

>>16018074
3rd time I repeat, I've posted this because it shows that sea level rise is irrelevantly small.

>>15987980
>i don't understand something as basic as displacement
post glacial rebound would generate measurable sea level rise in other locations if sea level were just staying steady. the fact that there is no measurable change in sea level at the same time as post glacial rebound is occurring means that the total volume of the oceans is shrinking

>>15991088
The climate issue exposes the midwits here. A Pound of evidence to disprove climate change to their ounce of “evidence” that proves climate change. They play games and obfuscate and rely on normies not looking it up for themselves. Globalists are all for climate change so you know it’s bullshit.

>>16020042
Globalists also support breathing, better hold your breath.

>>16020042
Take your meds.

>>16020052
No they don't.

>>15966090
Too late chuddie we've moved on to north atlantic ocean temperature now

>>16020052
Yes actually
Have you read the oxygen advantage by patrick mc keown

>>15966188
>>15966211
https://www.nasa.gov/centers-and-facilities/goddard/tonga-eruption-blasted-unprecedented-amount-of-water-into-stratosphere/

>>16020771
>In the study, published in Geophysical Research Letters, Millán and his colleagues estimate that the Tonga eruption sent around 146 teragrams (1 teragram equals a trillion grams) of water vapor into Earth’s stratosphere – equal to 10% of the water already present in that atmospheric layer. That’s nearly four times the amount of water vapor that scientists estimate the 1991 Mount Pinatubo eruption in the Philippines lofted into the stratosphere.

>>16020771
>>16020774
Water vapor has a short atmospheric residence time. All of that water precipitated out over about two weeks.

Why do you fags never talk about crop failure? It's the most dangerous effect from climate change. Who the fuck gives a fuck about rising seelevels, thats an easy fix. Crop failure is potentially lethal to a big chunk of the human population.

>>15966478
The most likely explanation is that this particular landmass is rising as well as the sea

>>16020920
Dead humans would be an improvement.

>>16020920
Crop failure is brought up all the time. Climate change deniers refuse to believe that crops will fail and insist that crops will do better because they'll have more CO2.

>>16020920
theres no such thing as global warming. your imaginary doomsday scenarios will never come true no matter how much you and the rest of your insane death cult wishes for them.

>>16020920
>crop failure
Due to local devastation (destroying tree lines, eroding topsoil).

Europeans never suffered from it because they take care of their forests. Meanwhile MENA and central American civs kept dying because they turn everything to desert.

>>16021716
Quite the opposite. Europeans completely devastated their forests, as did many cultures around the world. The Moors of Great Britain, for example, are not a natural ecosystem but rather a product of intensive sheep grazing; while the prairies of the Great Plains were kept so by Native Americans purposefully burning any tree growth to maintain their hunting grounds and deny their prey cover.

It is a very humorous notion that only quite recently were Humans able to radically alter entire ecosystems on a regional and even continental level, when the reality is that North America, Europe, and much of Asia haven't been in a natural state for ten thousand years.

>>16021722
I don't want to nitpick your post since we both agree on the fact that climate is much easily affected by local changes than by global temperatures, but this bothers me...
>Quite the opposite. Europeans completely devastated their forests, as did many cultures around the world. The Moors of Great Britain, for example, are not a natural ecosystem but rather a product of intensive sheep grazing;
Why do midwits always confuse Anglos and Nords for all Europeans? In central Europe there are forests like Kaiserwald that has had conservation efforts enforced since 900. To be clear this was not always the case, agricultural intensity in Europe peaked during the bronze ages, only since early iron age did conservation efforts start (roughly with Indo-European dominance and EEF decline).

And there are also many terraforming projects, like drained swamplands etc., but evidently this can be done sustainably.
>while the prairies of the Great Plains were kept so by Native Americans purposefully burning any tree growth to maintain their hunting grounds and deny their prey cover.
Right, and they hunted a lot of domesticatable animals to extinction. Still, they were actually better than the Central Americans who more than once had civs die due to intesive agriculture leading to cropsoil degredation.

The same thing also happens in most civilizations all around the world, the only exception is flood plain civs since obviously their soils kept getting replaced making farming easy mode.

>>16021722
>haven't been in a natural state for ten thousand years.
This idea that anything that people do is "unnatural" is just a misanthropic appeal to nature. People who hate humanity should just off themselves, all of their problems would be immediately solved if they did that

>>16023056
Just accept that Humans are better off extinct.

>>16023056
>>16023094
I find misanthropes really funny. They are just hardcore racists that don't realize it.
> Negroids attack people at random, steal and just generally act demonic
> "HUMANITY is so evil"
> Jeets eat and worship literal shit
> "ew HUMANS are disgusting"
> Chinks enslave themselves and others
> "there is no such thing as a HUMAN soul"
> Jews rape and mutilate children
> "HUMANS are scum"
Then if you agree with them but point out that mostly all of the evils are committed by the lesser races they start coping.
>"b-b-but Europeans are sometimes mean to trees."

>>16020920
The only thing that's going to cause massive crop failure are climate cultist retards banning fertilizer.

>>16023382
Thanks, chatGPT

>>16023401
ChatGPT would tell you cow farts are going to cause the earth to flood unless you eat bugs.

>>16023441
Why so angry?

>>16023455
I'm not.

>>16023460
Absolutely seething

>>16023470
You likely suffer from autism.

>>16023522
Thanks, chatGPT

>>16023550
see
>>16023441

>>16023722
See
>>16023455

>>16023740
see
>>16023522

>>16023744
See
>>16023470

>>16023766
see
>>16023522

>>16023823
See
>>16023470

Very commendable autism on displa6 ITT. I love this place.

>>16023888
checked
also global warming is fake and gay

>>16023896
Oil heiress Al Gore sold his global warming cable TV channel to the Qataris for $500 million. He cashed in on the global warming craze he got started in a big way. No doubt he invested a lot of his winnings back into Occidental Petroleum.

>>16020903
It went up into the stratosphere, its gonna stick around for a year or so longer, you are so clueless.

>>15966090
That seems like it should be considered good news by the people who claim to be concerned about global warming, so why does it make them angry instead?

>>16016351
>CO2 is not a greenhouse gas
Truly the most retarded take, we've know CO2 acts as a greenhouse gas since the 1850's before the idea of global climate change was even existed.

>>16026155
Why does air get 20F hotter in CO2 vs H?

>>16026155
>a 200 year old experiment conducted by a woman is my only evidence

>>16026155
That experiment is a fraud. She deliberately pressurized the container because co2 at 1atm does not produce greenhouse effect.

>>16027353
Meds.

>>16027356
Yes those ones.

>>16026155
>1800s science
predates thermodynamics, that experiment was invalidated over 120 years ago

>>16020965
So the perfectly level each ither out? How convenient.

>>16029411
post glacial rebound also causes displacement, so if the land is rising and there is no detectable sea level rise then thats because the total volume of the sea is staying the same. the sinking sea level thats observed in scandinavia has to do with the increasing mass of the greenland ice sheet

>>16018145
fake graphs aren't photographic evidence. anyone can put lines and dots on a jpeg.
all of the actual photographic evidence shows no sea level rise whatsoever anywhere

>>16030126
This may surprise you, but the Statue of Liberty is above sea level. It's in a RIVER.

>>15966211
Got a chart that isn't missing most of the last year?

>>16030129
oh look another flattard talking about spinning balls and water finding its level

>>16030129
OK so post some pictures of literally anywhere in the world demonstrating sea level rise.

>>16030129
Its in New York Harbor

>>15966090
great news

>>16030501
Fr?

https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-sea-level
https://www.climate.gov/maps-data/dataset/sea-level-rise-map-viewer

>>16031506
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Harbor

>>16032504
so you can't post some pictures of anywhere in the world demonstrating sea level rise.

>>16032807
There's a whole interactive map that will show you where the sea has risen.

>>16032970
so you can't post some pictures of anywhere in the world demonstrating sea level rise.

>>16033526
What, you want an old photo compared to a new photo? Do you know what tides are? I could show you a sea level rise of several feet in only a couple hours. A random picture doesn't speak to actual sea level rise. That's why we use data instead of tourist photo album.

>>16033526
>post some pictures of anywhere in the world demonstrating sea level rise.
This is fair request. If you want to see/read evidence of the sea rising just search "Miami" + "street flooding" + "king tide" -hurricane. 20 years ago flooding from seawater in Miami was very rare; today it is a regular occurrence and always increasing in frequency.

>>16034201
heres a land subsidence map of miami.
you can't find a single photo that shows evidence of sea level rise no matter how hard you look because there aren't any because sea level isn't rising.

>>16034201
>>16034807
See
>>16032504
>>16033533

Tämä paikka on nyt wc:ni.

>>16035211
you can't find a single photo that shows evidence of sea level rise no matter how hard you look because there aren't any because sea level isn't rising.

>>16030501
there aren't any

>>15966090
>2023 was a very hot year
>that means 2024 is reversing the trend
no

>>16028462
Theory does NOT invalidate experiments you worthless cumrag.

>>16035975
See
>>16033533

>>16037523
you can't find a single photo that shows evidence of sea level rise no matter how hard you look because there aren't any because sea level isn't rising.

>>16037653
see>>16034201
Your lies are so blatant, so incredibly outlandish, they are only serving to recruit other pathological liars to your side.
If I were the head shill a globocorp inc., responsible for overseeing the lesser shills, I would have you fired immediately. You are incredibly bad at your job. So bad that people seeing your lies most likely think to themselves "huh, look at this obvious liar lying away like its nothing, opposing global warming, there must be some truth to this global warming thing".

>>16034807
You absolute brainlet, that's Venice Italy not Miami.

>>15970652
>>global warming causes droughts
>but also
>>global warming causes too much rain
yes, that's exactly right
droughts and flooding go hand in hand, because droughts dry out the soil, and when the rain comes it just washes over
basic hydrology

>>16037653
>you can't find a single photo that shows evidence of sea level rise no matter how hard you look
true, because that's not even remotely a sound methodology for measuring sea level rise
in reality we use satellite altimeters and tide gauges
>because there aren't any
except there clearly is, according to our decades of measurements with satellite altimeters and tide gauges
>because sea level isn't rising
the measurements say otherwise

>>16034807
that's literally Venice in Italy, you dumb retard
lol
lmao even

>>16026299
H2 lacks the transverse vibrational component of CO2, and thus doesn't absorb radiation even remotely as well
that's why H2O (water) also is a good greenhouse gas, although not as good as carbon dioxide is

>>16038061
you can't find a single photo that shows evidence of sea level rise no matter how hard you look because there aren't any because sea level isn't rising.

>>16039449
>you can't find a single photo that shows evidence of sea level rise no matter how hard you look
true, because that's not even remotely a sound methodology for measuring sea level rise
in reality we use satellite altimeters and tide gauges
>because sea level isn't rising
the altimeter measurements clearly contradict that erroneous belief