/sci/ - Science & Math

what happened j2x bros?

im such a fukin loser bros

;)

>>15957329
Obama.

>>15957333
thanks anon, this is going in my rocket girls folder, AND my anime girls heating hamburgers folder

>>15957333
thanks anon. this is going in my rocket girls folder, AND my anime girls eating hamburgers folder

>>15957326
Glass the Earth, demigod war eventually

>>15957341
Burgers are perhaps the most challenging food to eat in space. A real test of a spinhab is being able to eat burgers without fluids flying everywhere and the burger staying stacked without a hand on it.

what happened to the Pyrios boosters and the F1-B?

>>15957346
*F-1B

>>15957346
>>15957350
Congress.
>NO NO NO YOU MUST USE THE SOLIDS

The false god Usa.

>>15957364
I agree
why did the false god (USA) disapprove of the development of the J-2X and the F-1B engines?

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/01/elon-musk-spacex-needs-to-build-starships-as-often-as-boeing-builds-737s/

>>15957404
This is known

>>15957404
the article is about this post (pic related)

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1740737984184369470
> To achieve Mars colonization in roughly three decades, we need ship production to be 100/year, but ideally rising to 300/year.

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/01/daily-telescope-a-view-of-our-star-as-earth-reaches-perihelion/

https://spacenews.com/nasa-instruments-set-to-fly-on-peregrine-commercial-lunar-lander/

> The primary payload of Cert-1 is Peregrine, a commercial lunar lander developed by Pittsburgh-based Astrobotic. The launder is carrying 20 payloads, including five instruments from NASA under a Commercial Lunar Payload Services (CLPS) award made in 2019.
> Three of the instruments — the Near-Infrared Volatile Spectrometer System (NIRVSS), Neutron Spectrometer System (NSS) and Peregrine Ion-Trap Mass Spectrometer (PITMS) — will work together to study volatiles like water on the surface and the moon’s exosphere.

Thank you for covering my absence of baking OP.

https://payloadspace.com/2023-orbital-launches-by-country/

>>15957437
china numba wan!! KEEEEK LOOK AT RUSSIA AND EUROPE JUST SINKING

https://payloadspace.com/the-scientific-spacefaring-to-come-in-2024/

list of lunar lander and interplanetary probe flagship missions

>>15957437
2023 was as good a year for Europe as it was for ULA

>>15957411
A ship every day, a launch every 5 minutes
God I am so excited for the future of spaceflight bros

>>15957441
>hey let's uhhhhhhh retire ariane 5 before we have 6 ready
>oh no where did my domestic launch capability go

>>15957441
Its not opposite day thoughever

>>15957445
It swan-dived into the Atlantic along with the idea that Vega was ever going to be an attractive launch option

>>15957437
>a third of the "other" launches are also a US company launching from NZ
lmao

NEW EAGER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_aDs1UV6KY

>>15957454
Hes so boring

>>15957455
based eager filtering ADHD zoomerkeks

>>15957447
What's with these retarded variations on the word "though" you keep using?

>>15957459
blud is from the bald man with glasses website which is filled with refugees from the basedjak board fr fr :skull:

>>15957455
he has the best "pop sci" videos about rocketry I've seen (pop sci meaning this format instead of something like a lecture with actual formulas and so on)
nice and short and to the point
everyday astronaut has better production value but the videos tend to be so fucking long
hullo rambles on about random shit so its a bit of hit and miss

>>15957462
I went there for 3 months and have left but its true. Its been carved into my vocabulary and I cant stop. Send help I want to be normal again.

>>15957464
we lost another one /sfg/, what a shame

>>15957463
true
I hate how every other "educational" space media focuses on shit like warp drives or wormholes instead of talking about stuff that's actually achievable and relevant to current space exploration.

>>15957469
funny thing is that particular website has a /sci/ board, but I haven't found anything related to spaceflight there, not even during the IFTs

>>15957462
u wot m8

There's been a lot of discussion and hype around the SS/SH testing program, but what do we know about SpaceX's plans are for Mars once they actually get there? Do we have any initial mission architectures? ISRU tech demos? Are they jus6 gonna LARP out Zubrin's Mars Direct plan?

>>15957487
Theyre keeping it hidden right now. They have some preliminary stuff but cant show anythinf off it seems.

>>15957487
https://www.spacex.com/humanspaceflight/mars/

>>15957487
didn't we see them 3d printing structures out of mars stimulant at starbase a while ago?

>>15957492
We did but thats still just the basics, also probably nowhere near finished, its also not been tested in the correct environment yet like radiation, pressure, temperature, humidity, etc. They need to control for all that at somepoint, will probably make a big difference and I can really only see that being simulated on Mars itself with autonomous robots being sent there.

>>15957487
I remember like 7 years ago or something they had a conference where they invited like Cat diggers and the like. Looking back on it, it might have been more about building Starbase.

>>15957487
I think they're going to land a bunch of supplies and robots on Mars first and then send humans on the next orbital maneuver window.
Everything will have to be built from scratch in a hostile environment and necessities like water recycling and food production probably won't be available at the start so they'll have to subsist on what they bring for a while. Honestly I don't think the Mars colony will go smoothly and it's no fault of SpaceX. Colonists in America at least had air, water, lumber, and some food available in their land, but Mars has none of that, and all those supplies have to be brought over from a distance many orders of magnitude larger than that of the Atlantic ocean with very significantly less freight volume than a boat.
Read up on the struggles of some of the early American colonies and you'll see that setting up a new society with no existing infrastructure in place is surprisingly difficult even with their access to the many amenities that aren't present on Mars. The one upside is that Martians won't have to worry about the many diseases that plagued American settlers as a result of mosquitos and other animals.
A lot of people undersell just how dangerous Mars still is. It's atmosphere is about 10x thinner than the minimum pressure required for body fluids to not evaporate i.e. even with an air tank, anyone going outside in Mars will still die brutally from the low pressure. This means any every habitat will still have to be pressurized as if it were a space station and any rupture will result in a dangerous decompression like in space. There's also no magnetic field protecting Martians from radiation. For all intents and purposes, building on Mars will be like building a space station except you have an atmosphere to protect against debris and some gravity to prevent total body atrophy, but that also comes with the difficulties of countering the atmosphere and gravity.

>>15957503
>muh magnetic field
It's equivalent exposure to half of LEO. Astronauts on the ISS are fine.

>>15957487
Mueller was supposedly working the last 5 years he was at SpaceX on ISRU (might be among other things or exclusively)

>>15957487
I think the first mission will bring along the hydrogen feedstock to demonstrate ISRU refueling via the Sabtier reaction. They should also bring back a surface sample if they can figure out a way to get something down ~100ft from the payload bay and then back up again autonomously - which I think will be a big sticking point with lunar and eventually mars starship. That and blowing a crater into the ground where they're trying to land.

>>15957543
The crater problem will eventually result in big ITS style self leveling legs.

What if we made a spinning burger space station

>>15957565
IS /SFG/ AFRAID OF THE AMERICAN FUTURE??? HOW PATHETIC.

>>15957565
how about a zero-g strip club instead?

>>15957607
With black jack and hookers? Yknow what, forget the strip club

/sfg/ died for oldspace's sins

>>15957651
But will oldspace die for oldspace's sins?

>>15957654
No, and that is their greatest sin.

>>15957411
Why is he so autisticaly fixated on Mae's?

>>15957411
>ready for reflight in an hour
>reuse may only be daily
Elon is delusional, and Starship is making the same promises as the Shuttle, and thus is doomed to fail to deliver

>>15957651
>>15957654
>>15957658
This is why I come to /sfg/.

>>15957503
>and any rupture will result in a dangerous decompression like in space.

>>15957666
Here Satan, have a screenshot to frame it.

>>15957350
>>15957346
Very little actual work to develop the F-1B was done, it is functionally vaporware.

The AR1 on the other hand was developed.

>>15957665
There have already been more Starships built with flight engines than there ever were shuttles and it's still in the prototyping phase. Choke on cock.

>>15957693
I'm pretty sure that wasn't a serious post. I hope that wasn't a serious post.

>>15957728
I'll assume it is a serious post for a moment. In a lot of respects, he's right: Starship will, for a given moment in time, be in the same reuse boat as the Space Shuttle. The important difference between Starship and Shuttle is that Starship is privately developed, and that means they can proceed with modifications, re-engineering, and radical design efforts without seeking congressional authorization to do so. The Shuttle received a few changes over the decades, and Congress made no secret of who its favorite children were while doing so. Without being beholden to Congress, Starship has a chance to move beyond the Shuttle reuse paradigm in a way the Shuttle itself was never given the chance to.

>>15957688
>SLS Cargo
Are there even any missions planned for that? I can't think of anything that couldn't be done with FH.

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#the rocket has been launched with success towards the next /sfg/!

>>15957836
Kino

Do you think jews will set up synagogues on Mars?

>>15957872
And for that matter christians but that one seems like a given.

Our time has come, depotbros
https://spacenews.com/space-force-wargames-potential-satellite-refueling-plans/

Any news on the schizodrive?

>>15957503
>water recycling
Water is just there for the taking. You just go out with a shovel

>>15957503
>For all intents and purposes, building on Mars will be like building a space station
Major difference - you have resources. You can replenish air directly from the atmosphere, you don't have to close every loop. Yes it's a bit thin but it's far from hard vacuum.

>>15957663

>>15957663
What other options do we have for relatively easy colonization? 80 atmospheres pressure worth of corrosive shit on Venus?

>>15957939
Venus cloud colonies, but resource utilization is so much harder

>>15958012
>Venus cloud colonies
Because combining the shortcomings of a surface settlement and an orbital makes for such an attractive idea.

>>15958012
>Muh cloud cities
This is space flight general, not sci-fi general.

Cancel MSR

>>15958033
no
reformat the program to use Starship

>>15958012
we don't cotton to atmospheric flight in this general

>>15957329
>>15957404
>>15957411
>>15957917
When are we finally leaving this planet bros? I'm tired of all the delays.. I want to explore the galaxy, I want to leave this planet what's taking so long

>>15958063
Here's the joke, we're not.

They are dismantling Starbase
It's over
https://youtu.be/1IEOoO20A10

>>15958087
lol I wonder why

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EZQaF_liXw

>>15958093
FUBAR
It was leaking even before the first launch.
That tank farm was a massive shitshow.

>>15958093
>>15958087
two more months just got tacked onto the wait for IFT-3

>>15958087
>>15958093
The dent had grown significantly last i saw. I was wondering why nobody commented on it it looked huge on the cameras.

>>15958093
I remember someone saying that vertical farms were going away when the horizontal ones started arriving.

You know what? Fuck you!
>Falcon Heavies your Startship

>>15958117
cringe x humor

>>15958117

>>15958117
Yeah, fuck you to launchpad

>>15958117
>>15958120
quirky trans humor

>>15958122
boo-hoo nigger

>>15958124
ah you must be one of those trans white nationalists

>>15958122
Ya, trans planetary

>>15957345
eh, this happens to me on Earth too

So why horizontal farms better? Is it safer if rockets explode? I saw them building wall around it.

>>15957735
Im reminded of that chart where space shuttle cadence was just beginning to increase exponentially and then Challenger happened and NASA was never the same again. linear cadence from then on

>>15958129
Less of a profile to be struck by flying debris, I suppose. If that's the goal just dig some big ditches and lay the tanks inside, then cover 'em up.

>>15958132
its a fucking swamp

>>15957454
i appreciate eager kino above all else

>>15958134
Put a ditch liner in then.

>>15958134
Not an issue.

>>15958121
Just make it bigger lmao. On a serious note, is this feat of Kerbal engineering feasible?

>>15957487
We could use an update fromPaul Wooster, Spacex's principal Mars development engineer. They must be close to choosing a landing site by now

>>15958139
yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmfp-6Ve1BY

>>15958134
so is DC and there are some pretty gnarly bunkers there

>>15958033
inject semen autistic girl

>>15958033
Elon should have married her. He's alone.

>>15958146
ISREAL????

>>15958146
Thanks, Tory

>>15958146
i like the red

>>15958137
you need a liner and a pump and it gets annoying fast

The 2024 class of NASA NIAC advanced concept study awards are out. Time for Space to get Weird again:

www.nasa.gov/news-release/funding-future-tech-nasa-names-2024-innovative-concept

>>15958146
something about it makes it look like a plastic toy. way moreso than other rockets

>>15957454
>calls "on hover tooltip" a toaster notification
fucking hack

>>15958138
why would you make it more complicated than it needs to be?

>>15958147
she is a bit insane and the support of trannies is what probably drove them apart
Musk doesn't want his other kids to become trannies

>>15958154

Nice to see Jeff getting an award. He's a good speculative science writer.

>>15958140
I would assume they're looking for an Equatorial area with suspected water ice permafrost. What else could they be looking for in a lading site?

are they incapable of using google?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi78Xd0b4lo

>>15958147
also I don't think he is alone, he is living a lot of the time at shivon zillis place (diablo streams from there for instance) and has 2 kids with her
supposedly its platonic but idk man

se acabo

>>15958152
maybe 1% of these will ever see full size prototypes, so i dont even care

>>15958165
new water plate system getting installed soon I hope

ASTRO-BOT-IC
NOT
ASTRO-BIO-TIC

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

are we gonna see a blue flame from Vulcan or is the srb's exhaust gonna mask it?

>>15958162
(A) $2 anon
NSF viewers are so dumb XD, how much is
ars 200.00 worth?

>>15958170
You’ll see a red flame from the BE-4s exploding lmao

>>15958161
almost all their candidate sites are in Arcadia

>>15958159
Benus :DDDD

>>15958173
just like the raptors muskrat?

wtf is the 10k year clock?

>>15958185
Sorry I can't hear you over all this winning

>>15958154
It's the Fisher Price tier decals. Destination Flavor Town.

https://www.youtube.com/live/xi78Xd0b4lo?si=m8kh4facqJ2fwqPF
GET THE FFFFUCK IN HERE

>>15958190
>propulsion reports first stage nominal

>>15958192
kek they are wrapping up the stream already keeeeeeek

>>15958190
this thing looks so stupid, how can you even cheer for this?

>first time rocket
>first time engines
>first time second stage
>a lunar lander from a commercial company

Nothing is gonna go wrong, is it?

ULAGODS CAN'T STOP WINNING

>>15958200
no. adults actually test their stuff BEFORE they fly it. you watch. remember NASA never had a critical failure on the first flight of shuttle, or the second, or the third. You get it done RIGHT if you take your time and are sensible.

>>15958200
I don't know which would be funnier, vulcan fucking up somewhere or everything going flawlessly. the only boring outcome would be it working up until decent burn and then crashing on the moon

>>15958203
>adults
is /sfg/ gonna finish their homework before Monday?

>>15958201
You'd never see an official spacex starship maze and coloring book. Boeing knows how to do outreach

>>15958200
The lander will certainly fail at least

>>15958201
They know their audience

>>15958209
Boeing is not ULA

They are taking down the old vertical tanks!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IEOoO20A10

>>15958220
They haven't been sold yet, so they're still 50% boing.

>>15958226
boing! boing! boing!

>>15958171
ARS is Argentine Pesos. ARS200 comes out to about $0.25

>>15958226
Right, but Boeing has very limited say in the day-to-day of ULA operations

>>15958208
DONE
not easy on my phone

>>15958208
can I get a gold star sticker?

Vulcan
MONDAY
MONDAY
MONDAY
Will it stay or will it go?

we need a policy of a radio silent earth

>>15958250
>>15958243
now you are certified ULA engineers

>>15958255
Just dome the earth

I for one think it's a good thing america has more than 1 launch service provider

>>15958117
Redditroon meme kill yourself YWNBAW

>>15958261
What's the point if they dont launch every 5min? 1 vulcan/sls launch per year or even per month is woefully insufficient

>>15958117
Honestly hilarious

It's going to fail and ULA is going to get sold to below orbit

>>15958159
Now this is a Rube Goldberg mission architecture I can appreciate. Save the wacky robot shenanigans for Venus - Mars is for astronauts digging and building on site.

>>15958271
SLS per month would be better than Apollo cadence. I wouldn't even be mad.

BO will sabotage Vulcan launch with their engine just so they could buy out ULA for scraps

>>15958281
hell, I'd be happy with SLS if it flew 3 times a year and had a cost per launch equal to inflation adjusted saturn v. my bar for nasa's performance is under ground

>>15958270
>REEEEEE REDDIT REEEE!!!!!
I urge you to consider self harm

kek imagine using hydromeme on a car
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lUkOHnjLsM

>>15957404
Who will be purchasing these flights?

>>15958273
Honestly though, what's the next step in heavy launch? Strapping some SH boosters onto a SH/SS stack seems like an easy (relatively) next step

>>15958261
The second stage looks oddly beefy, like the rest of the rocket looks smooth and polished but Centaur has little greebles in it and a slightly different color

>>15958304
18 meter fuckship

>>15958303
no one, these are needed for building the mars colony
maybe some other companies will tag along after the colony is far enough but I would guess SpaceX will be building it by themselves for something like 10 years at least (perhaps NASA or some entity like that buy a fraction, but its going to be insignificant)

building a mars colony is going to require massive amounts of stuff launched to LEO (on the order of 5 million tonnes) and further to Mars itself (1 million tonnes), this is going to require a massive amount of ships
so SpaceX is going to use them itself mainly for launching shit into Mars, some fraction is going to go to Starlink launches and then some unknown number to general customer launches, but how quickly the general launch market is going to grow is unknown
might be quick or might be very slow relative to what spacex itself is doing

>people think spacex is going to lose their lawsuit
lol
lmfao
LOL

never bet against mars

>>15958305
>>15958271
>Tory Bruno, ULA's CEO, stated that the Vulcan's Centaur 5 will have 40% more endurance and two and a half times more energy than the upper stage ULA currently flies. "But that’s just the tip of the iceberg," Bruno elaborated. "I'm going to be pushing up to 450, 500, 600 times the endurance over just the next handful of years. That will enable a whole new set of missions that you cannot even imagine doing today.

TLDR: Centaur is going to be absolutely NUTS for deep space missions

>>15958117
Who need a planetary crust anyway?

>>15957487
>SpaceX's plans for Mars once they actually get there
zozzle

>>15958313
someone should stick centaur into starship as a third stage

>>15958316
>someone
oh it will be stuck onto a rocket
just not the rocket you think

>>15958314
It'll be fiiiine. Just build an actual launch pad/ pull a soyuz and hang it off a ledge

>>15958318
could a swappable second/third stage make sense?
use centaur for interplanetary missions or whatever

https://twitter.com/spacecasetayl0r/status/1743017109557215624/photo/1

>>15958323
sure, and Antarctica has a material value of $50 quintillion. go mine that up

>>15958322
I think that's what China is doing: 2 stages for LEO/SSO missions (but the 2nd stage is not reusable like Starship, instead its like Saturn V's S-II). The LH2/LOX 3rd stage can fit inside the fairing like Titan IV
for Starship I think Musk already said somewhere they're not doing a kick stage/upper stage and instead will go the orbital refueling route as they're aiming for fast turnaround

>>15958333
space tugs and the like are going to function as kick stages, either re-usable or expendable

>>15958313
>40% more endurance, 250% more energy
>eventually 60000% more endurance
??? What the FUCK is he talking about

>>15958261
Except ULA is worthless. Even if Vulcan launches fine, what's the fucking point. Falcon 9 will still be cheaper by significant margins. Literally only the business case is "oh no we don't want a monopoly". What a waste of money Vulcan is.

>>15958323
this chart is absolutely awful and asteroid mining is a farce

>>15958342
I want ULA and blue origin to do as well as they set out to achieve. rooting for them to fail because their goals are not as lofty as spacex's is spiteful and naïve

total oldspace death

>>15958350
Blue Origin is probably going to just buy ULA at this rate.

https://payloadspace.com/nasa-funds-advanced-concepts/

>A few highlights: The projects funded in this batch of Phase I awards include:
> A Venus sample return concept led by Geoff Landis at NASA’s Glenn Research Center
> A new method do detoxify water on Mars for human consumption led by Lynn Rothschild at NASA Ames
> A nuclear-powered rocket design by James Bickford at the Charles Stark Draper Laboratory

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/01/daily-telescope-a-crab-found-in-the-night-sky-rather-than-the-worlds-oceans/

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/01/with-vulcans-liftoff-imminent-united-launch-alliance-flies-into-uncertain-future/

> It's nearly time. After years of delays, billions of dollars in federal funding, and a spectacular second-stage explosion, the large and impressive Vulcan rocket is finally ready to take flight.

>>15958361

> Jeff Bezos (right), the founder of Blue Origin and Amazon.com, and Tory Bruno, CEO of United Launch Alliance, display a small-scale version of the BE-4 rocket engine during a press conference in 2014.

>>15958361
It's over for ULA. I look forward to BO buying up ULA.

> Jeff Bezos (right), the founder of Blue Origin and Amazon.com, and Tory Bruno, CEO of United Launch Alliance, display a small-scale version of the BE-4 rocket engine during a press conference in 2014.

10 years

>>15958369
>10 years

> A new owner could invigorate ULA. Over the last two decades, Lockheed and Boeing have mostly pulled profits out of ULA rather than investing in the company. Worse than that, the parents have stymied innovation efforts at ULA for competitive reasons. For example, Lockheed halted an internal effort to develop a XEUS commercial lunar lander because it interfered with its own lunar lander plans. Boeing blocked efforts to develop propellant depots to store cryogenic fuels in space because it worried refueled launch vehicles would compete with the Space Launch System rocket.
kind of retarded

> "We had released a series of papers showing how a depot/refueling architecture would enable a human exploration program using existing (at the time) commercial rockets," a former ULA physicist, George Sowers, has said. "Boeing became furious and tried to get me fired. Kudos to my CEO for protecting me. But we were banned from even saying the 'd' word out loud. Sad part is that ULA did a lot of pathfinding work in that area and could have owned the refueling/depot market, enriching Boeing (and Lockheed) in the process. But it was shut down because it threatened SLS."
> But we were banned from even saying the 'd' word out loud
lmao

>>15958378
If BO buys ULA then everything ULA would just die eventually, I mean Vulcan has no reason to exist if NG flies.

https://spacenews.com/china-completes-new-commercial-launch-pad-to-boost-access-to-space/
> The first launch pad at Hainan Commercial Launch Site was completed Dec. 29. It is the first of two pads which will host liquid propellant launch vehicles.
> The new launch pads could help China to transition away from older hypergolic rockets. It could help reduce incidents of booster debris falling around inhabited areas following launches from the country’s inland spaceports of Jiuquan, Taiyuan and Xichang.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRZobCeDAPg

>>15958380

https://europeanspaceflight.com/rfa-boosts-argo-capabilities-to-answer-esa-commercial-cargo-call/
> The RFA response came on 14 December with the company announcing that its vehicle will now be capable of delivering 4,000 kilograms to low Earth orbit and, with the assistance of an inflatable atmospheric decelerator, returning 4,000 kilograms back to Earth. The announcement concluded with the phrase, “Argo was designed for heavy lifting.”
>While the company’s Argo vehicle can now answer ESA’s updated call, it remains to be seen whether or not RFA can deliver on the project before the 2028 launch deadline.

>>15958389
Deliver cargo to what and where exactly?

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/01/rocket-report-spacexs-record-year-fireflys-alpha-rocket-falls-short/

Small Rockets
> Firefly's fourth launch puts payload in wrong orbit
> Australian startup nears first launch. (Eris rocket, 300kg to LEO)

Medium Rockets
> A commander's lament on the loss of a historic SpaceX booster.
> SpaceX opens 2024 campaign with a new kind of Starlink satellite.
> Chinese booster lands near homes.
> Launch date set for next H3 test flight (Feb 14 US time, Feb 15 in Japan)
> India's PSLV launches first space mission of 2024.
> Mixed crews will continue flying to the International Space Station

Heavy Rockets
> SpaceX sets new records to close out 2023.
> Elon Musk says SpaceX needs to built a lot of Starships.

>>15958392
ISS or its successor I guess

>>15957768
Europa Clipper was before losing to FH, other than that it is just nuclear cores for big NEP spacecraft

>>15955644
I don't think you realize how many people they will need to manufacture hundreds of starships, tens of boosters, and thousands of raptors per year. Plus the amount of people they will need to construct the off-shore launch platforms and be involved in operations for each of them. By 2030 SpaceX will probably have like 20-30k employees at least.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1743364627138814108

>>15958477
how nice of Musk to help his African brethren!

>>15958477
is funding the mars colony really worth letting mozambiqians have internet access?

if your torch drive fails when you need to slow down, are you screwed?

>>15958492
if this helps mozambiqueans stay in mozambique then its good

>>15958507
Yes, and this is the case when your main propulsion fails ahead of any critical burn BEO.

>>15958507
You and the planet you're going to hit at relativistic speeds are screwed.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/spacex-sues-to-dismantle-unconstitutional-us-labor-board-after-it-accused-company-of-illegally-firing-workers

SpaceX sues the US National Labor Board and wants it to be dismantled for being unconstitutional. Musk aiming for the throat of corrupt officials and their livelihood

>>15958569
nawwww :skull: musk is going full hitlerian fascist alt right mode fr fr

https://chrisprophet.substack.com/p/are-spacex-too-successful

> Instead of exploiting its monopoly on commercial launch, SpaceX have evolved a more practical approach to space development, effectively clearing away dead wood to encourage new growth. Their ever increasing income has allowed them to undertake inordinately ambitious projects like Starship and Starlink, designed to stimulate and accelerate an emerging space economy.
>They say: “with great power comes great responsibility,” something SpaceX seem willing to shoulder given their strategy to support anyone involved in space expansion. Yes, they are extremely successful but seem committed to taking us higher and the antidote to legacy launch lethargy.

>>15958017
>>15958016
Launching directly from Venus surface is impossible due to atmospheric friction losses. If you want to exploit the surface, you'll need a platform near the top of the atmosphere to float up to and launch from ie a cloud city
For Cytherean planets, cloud cities are an essential stepping stone to orbit.

>>15958595
It does sometimes feel like I am living in a fantasy, if someone told five years old me there would be a giant satellite constellation made by a single startup rocket company then.. I'd believe it because I believed a lot of impossible things back then, like a generational starship beginning construction in 2025 hahhahahaha...

>>15958550
Space Navy will take you out

Can we see more RocketGirls?

wtf did I just find

https://x.com/satyakjr123/status/1742965852767674381?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

>>15958595
why are the starship gridfins folded? that's an artistic mistake I see all the time

>>15958604
https://twitter.com/sbarky38
this guy makes them

>>15958607
pajeet

>>15958354
Is there a way to get past NIAC final reports? There was one from 2021 about extracting oxygen from Mars atmosphere using special adsorbents, but the report wasn't available

>>15958608
that pic is from 2022, no chines on super heavy either and I think starship itself is too pointy?

>>15958604
here u go. H3-chan hugs Vulcan-chan

>>15958616
SuperHeavy and Starship chans kicking the shit out of H3, Vulcan, Ariane 6 and New Glenn

>>15958616
>>15958609
Imagine if every rocket had an AI personality installed

rocketgirlbros...
what did he mean by this?

>>15958609
ebin

>>15958616
Imagine being hugged by a failure

Every time i play kerbal space program i only stick myself to suborbital flights, i just make a simple one stage rocket and then make the capsule land.
I swear i never went beyond earth's orbit, am i playing the game incorrectly?

>>15958609
UUOOOOHHH
MAX-QUTE

>>15958624
No you are playing like someone with decades of experience in the space industry would, suborbital is safe and a great way to gain valuable science and tourism done

>>15958609
More on the way, stay tuned

>>15958624
you lack the Faustian sprit desu
this is basically how every normie plays the game anyone, especially the big gamer YouTubers back in the day

I can't get over those dinky SRBs on Vulcan.
I know that their performance contribution is enormous but they look so ridiculous.

>>15958628
heh, now I'm imagining the formation of ULA as a "NOW KISS!!" moment from two girls that hate each other.

>>15958628
I love vulcan. she pretty and going to the MOOON

>>15958631
not reusable, yuck

>>15958636

>>15958644
she is refurbishable. she is SMART

>>15958604
>>15958609
He used to post here

>>15958642
LSPs really need to give their rockets fancy paint jobs more often

>>15958323
has anyone ever calculated the value of the earth?

>>15958649

>>15958382
If Taiwan wasn't so gay it would already have a few launchpads too, perfect location

>>15958654
mid and kinda ugly ngl

>>15958492
>>15958490
internet access = lower fertility = fewer Africans
this is very important

>>15958646
Vulcan does not actually have SMART reuse.

>>15958657
yeah i agree, idk why the guy made it. he doesnt seem to make rocket girls much

>>15958661
she does tho, tory said so

have you guys ever seen a Saturn V model that has the thermal insulation on the F-1 Engine?
basically every other model and even the real engines on display are bare

>>15958380
Total old space death

Clear got a shoutout at a JAXA press conference
https://twitter.com/clearusui/status/1743213837145489716

>>15958674
Only in flight footage

io kino

>>15958675
clear(ly) a man

>>15958675
which one is clear?
or do they run it jointly

>>15958685
>>15958687

>>15958688
>ifunny
keeeek soiteens whats this?

>>15958648
Let me guess. This place scared him away.

>>15958683
No atmosphere = not a planet

>>15958700
it's Astranon actually

>>15958704
too much atmosphere = also not a planet, believe it or not

So what happens to Vulcan if New Glenn actually becomes operation later this year and possibly Terran-R next year?

>>15958704
You're demonstrably wrong. Even the Moon is a planet

>>15958713
ULA is still gonna win a majority of the government contracts bc reasons

>>15958713
Firefly's MLV will btfo all of them

>>15958361
https://twitter.com/torybruno/status/1743400780768419988

the berger post is about the article I am replying to

>>15958713
Then Vulcan doesn't really have a much of career past the end of it's current slate of national security obligations.

Vulcan does have an advantage in that New Glenn is closer to Falcon Heavy in performance which makes it a better fit for GEO/Lunar missions or max capacity constellation building flights. There are going to be smaller missions that don't need to pay extra for all of that performance and are more comfortable on a cheaper Vulcan VC0 or VC2, but there aren't going to be too many of those given that Falcon 9 still exists as a cheaper option and there are other reusables like Neutron and Nova competing to drive down launch costs. There's also the problem that a lot of a rocket's price is determined by how often it flies, and if Vulcan doesn't hit the double digit cadence that Tory's talked about it's sticker price might start to rise just like the Delta IV and Titan's did.

>>15958720
Easy shoe-in for the third big spot in NSSL-3 if Blue Origin eats ULA's place.

>>15958146
weight thrust on this bad boy compared to SS? could superheavy launch cargo directly to moon?

>>15958716
If space comes right up to your doorstep, you're not on a planet, you're still in space. No atmosphere, no planet.

>>15958729
I don't have my own atmosphere, am I in space?

>>15958261
It's as good of a time as any to drop this prediction ahead of Jan 8's Vulcan Centaur launch!
SpaceX bros, you might want to grab a drink for this one.

>>15958734
No, but you would be, except for your good fortune to live on a planet. If you lived on Mercury you'd be in space. The hard vacuum and solar wind would come right up to your face.

>>15958742
almost none of the predictions have deadlines except HLS failing to launch up to 2027

>>15958742
>that flag and symbol
lol

I hate those savages so much it's unreal

>>15958757
its a tranny with severe EDS, I would wager its much much worse now than it was the time of that posting which is now 1,5 years ago

>>15958742
>A semi-regular presence is established on Gateway
How? The only proposed way for astronauts to get to Gateway is on SLS and that's only flying once a year at best. One week per year is not "semi-regular."

>>15958765
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Space_Transport_LLC
and Vulcan ACES

>>15958758
Send in the boys, one last time

>>15958131
yeah the hole left by the space shuttle is real

>>15958769
that isn't going to happen
SLS is absolute garbage even if SpaceX ceased to exist
vulcan aces is perhaps a bit more ralistic but if ULA gets bought out then why would they continue to develop that?

>>15958769
>>15958772
For all the mad shit people throw at refueling on Starship, the skepticism is at least partially warranted towards ACES, if only because liquid hydrogen is an absolute motherfucker at the best of times.

>>15958722
Oh no no no

>>15958778
BO has their own program for long term hydrogen depots and so on with zero boiloff
maybe they could use something developed for ACES if they actually have something but doesn't really seem like they have done much at all
it has been proposed but there has not been much interest

>>15958784
No they don't. LMAO. NASA threw a book at them for not having any plans for hydrogen boil off. In fact the book they threw at BO was the SpaceX's well documented plans to mitigate boil off plans.

HLS source select document has that info lmao. Along with the fact that the other company whatever it was called that I dont remember now, having negative mass for moon.

>>15958772
It's technically possible. Orion is right at the upper limit of what the VC6 can get to LEO, and a fully refueled Centaur V has more than enough dV to get Orion to whatever lunar orbit it wants. It's just a question of how you want to handle the depot architecture and how many Vulcans it will take to pull off. If you're just refueling a Centaur V/Orion from stretched Centaurs you could probably do it in three VC6 launches. Or you could do it in two launches if you rejected the idea of refueling and sent a Centaur up on a New Glenn. Or you could forget about docking too and just launch Orion on a three stage New Glenn/Centaur V stack.

It sucks that none of these things are ever going to happen.

>>15958784
I'm not worried about boiloff. I'm worried about the cryogenic transfer valves. Even on Earth, those things are the leading cause of scrubs and delays, and you can't walk over and fix a depot's cryo valves.

>>15958722
is musk aware of whats under his own posts?

>>15958778
that and oldspace launch cadence meaning any delay or failed tanker launch would basically doom an entire mission

>>15958339
"endurance" is "time on orbit where the upper stage still works and isn't dead"
it measures how long you can wait between your orbit circulization burns and your departure burns

>>15958789
they do, I'm not saying they are far along with that but their architecture depends on zero-or low boiloff hydrogen depots
blue lander is going to need refueling and there is going to be a special spacetug that does that refueling, developed by lockheed or something

new 'hopper

>>15958809
> relax, this is pro Bruno
>*gets pickpocketed*

>>15957487
>plans are for Mars
its a meme to hype up soiboys soigapes. Including reddit space mand Musk. Its as cold as antarctica and dry as sahara. With 1% of earfs atmo and no magnetosphere to protect the planet from spicy particles coming in from space.

At best you will see research and prospecting outposts for decades doing geological surveys. Then first ore extractions built around discovered deposits. Rest of industry slowly following with factories and associated support structures to refine the shit into anything usable. Lunar surface (moon) has more potential for space industrialization then Mars will have for a long time.

Real value of the superheavy lifters is getting mass tonnage cheap to LEO. There you can build anything you want to go anywhere you want in whatever configuration you want. Like lets say nuclear propolsion based around nuclear detonations

>>15958598
the initial phases of Operation Bespin are underway as we speak

>>15958820
Your weird reddit obsession aside, from what I've heard, Mars is much more attractive from an ISRU standpoint than the moon in every regard except for how long it takes to get there. You can literally make fuel from the atmosphere. There's also at least some radiation shielding from that thin atmosphere and more importantly, it regulates planetary temps. On the moon, you bake for weeks and then freeze for weeks, but mars has a 24hr day.

The empty water tank shell's been lifted up and out of the launch site.

>>15958820
>no magnetosphere
Irrelevant
You out yourself as a pseud

>>15958841
yes mars is much more attractive, its not really an exaggeration to say the moon has nothing at all and mars has everything
the moon might have some small deposits of water in some very specific spots in polar lunar craters and miniscule amounts in the regolith trapped inside crystals with the water created from radiation, mars has kilometer deep ice caps and like 50% of the planet has permafrost with quite high water content (something like 10%)
the moon has no atmosphere, mars has CO2, nitrogen and argon semi-easily accessible and through the CO2 you can easily create O2 though on the moon you have the permanently shadowed polar craters that function as vapor traps, so there is water and other volatiles like methane, ammonia, carbon dioxide and and carbon monoxide
the moon has had no watercycles, so the regolith is just mostly undifferentiated rock, you can get a lot of metals but it is very energy demanding to extract, in mars you have had water cycles so you have concentration of metals in some places and richer deposits like on earth
the moon is subjected to a month long "day", so two weeks of darkness, so solar power will be that much more difficult to use
mars has a 25h long day, should be relatively easy to use solar power (though the irradiance is lower due to further distance from the sun than the moon)

perhaps the vapor traps on the moon are easier to mine than the atmosphere on mars and finding water there, who knows

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1743402295625187363

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAr_8cNL1nk

>>15958902
>ESA
Automatically worthless.

>>15958903
seemed to actually be a showcase of european launcher startups than about esa
kind of misleading pic title and initial pic

>>15958323
>no Psyche

>>15958381
Vulcan still makes sense as a stopgap until NG gets first stage reuse working, especially Vulcan+SMART.

>>15957693
>>15957735
falcon 9 has already basically gone beyond the shuttle's reuse paradigm. starship already avoids basically all of the known pitfalls of the shuttle and can be rapidly iterated as you pointed out, unlike the shuttle.

>>15958820
>muh radiation
yeah you're not a serious person

>>15958926
>starship already avoids basically all of the known pitfalls of the shuttle
Not the tiles though.

>>15957917
he seems excited

>>15958156
well redditors are mad at her for following some white nationalist anon accounts on twitter so maybe she doesn't

>>15958934
grimes supposedly dated some tranny after musk

>>15958195
yet on ift2 all engines worked through the entirety of the booster's flight regime

>>15958932
>no FOD damage from orange death fuzz
>simple cylindrical geometry and flat flaps allows much more uniform tiling
>mechanical attachment instead of fucking glue
>stainless steel underneath has a much higher melting point than aluminum
It actually does fix most of the tile problems.

>>15958933
What's he drawing?

>>15958948
Stick figures in the bottom corner of each page so when you flip through it fast he shoots himself

>>15958354
One of them was a breakthrough starshot style proposal
https://www.nasa.gov/general/swarming-proxima-centauri/

>>15958117
>Superheavy Booster alone is an SSTO
>dock SSTO superheavy to standard launch starship
>refuel
>fire a massive "YOU WILL NEVER BE A HUMAN" at oumuamua

>>15958952
kek

>>15958063
Late 2100s, after 4 more global cycles of strong men-good times.

>>15958799
what does persuade mountain motivate kinkajou mean?
or lead wallaby movie keep?

>>15958932
the tiles were really only an issue because A they were placed in such a way that they could receive damage and B they were a pain in the ass to repair.
starship should have both of those fixed

>>15958932
worst case scenario, the tiles can probably be replaced by an ablation based heat shield that could last several dozen launches at least, or some form of non-ablation based heat shielding that is more heavy. maybe starship will only be able to carry 100 tonnes to leo and not 150 because of it. but the program would still work.

>>15958991
and i have faith that spacex can solve the tile problem considering they solved the raptor reliability problem.

https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2024/01/dish-files-petition-for-reconsideration-on-spacex-testing/

got info originally from

https://twitter.com/SERobinsonJr/status/1743377287511249193
> - Tuesday, Dish Network, yet again, filed a petition for the FCC to reconsider its decision to allow SpaceX and T-Mobile to test their Direct-to-Cell Starlinks. They say is because of the potential for harmful interference in adjacent bands in which it operates its own satellite systems.

>>15958659
based

>>15958799
hey how did they get my passwords?

nearly 10 years ago now

>>15958087
>>15958093
Duck and cover tank farm when?

>>15958995
Hoping the current admin will stop SpaceX

>>15958729
nope

>>15958742
betting against spacex is not wise

>>15959074
It's not foolish to bet against unsound methods (full reuse via Falcon), but betting against them figuring out a way to do what they want (full reuse TSTO architecture of any kind) is a bad idea.

>>15958885
What is an example of a patent blocking trolls for SpaceX

>>15958758
you've gotta be shitting me

>>15959023
its over

>>15958803
oh so it's a new made up marketing metric like how small sats launchers talked about being the uber of lift and how customers would choose them because rideshare was like dirty public transport. "last mile" blah blah blah

>>15958799
bots paying $11/m?

>>15959031

>>15959079
BO trying to patent booster landing on a ship

Something looks off here

>>15959090
mario game?
spaceX is best musk #1
if Mario then only bros

>>15958683
Imagine seeing this peak from eye level.

>>15958885
tranny flags and retarded opinions go together like nachos and salsa

thoughts on pythom space?
https://www.pythomspace.com/

>>15958333
First thing I thought of when I saw this

>>15959175
hypergol reaction breathing enjoyers

>>15959175
scam

>>15959175
Yeah, because what the 150kg to LEO market really needed to revolutionize itself was a hypergolic Electron. At least the propellant combo doesn't seem quite as bad as UDMH/NTO. I'm sure FWS is going to love reviewing this thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ1j85VgALA

>>15959204
most normal aerospace company in ohio :skull:

>>15958313
>'energy'
Tonnage to each orbit, yes or no?

>>15958157
"quick, Tory! three words that could never be used to describe your sex life!"

>>15959175
Pythom is an industry punchline. Even after LV0008 we were laughing at them. They're fucking ARCA tier.

>>15958261
>I for one think it's a good thing america has more than 1 launch service provider
please name two

>>15959175
Scam, that have like 3 employees on LinkedIn

spacerafts cant even go to the moon now lol

>>15958659
we need to provide niggers with video games immediately

>>15959235
SpaceX and Rocket Lab (they do Virginia launches now)

>>15959235
rocketlab
relativity

Shut the fuck up

>>15959240
last thing i want to hear in my lobby is
>ayo bruh we gotta rizz up the latinx gyatts in fortnite fr fr no cap in ohio L rizz in chat bluds

>>15959254
They're on a different server it's ok

>>15959235
SpaceX
United Launch Alliance
Blue Origin
Relativity Space
Rocket Lab
Firefly

maybe the FAA should spend more effort with boeing instead of spacex

>>15959262
but Boeing is going

>>15959263
going to kill humans on their plane

>>15959254
Actual africans are hilarious. You could probably get a decent percentage to panic quit a game by pretending to put a hex on them.

please dont be mad, but oft-3 is going to be...a little bit delayed

>>15959289
Source? Oh its your ass okay I see

>>15959302
i am not allowed to reveal anything that would materially impact our stock value...

>>15959306
And this just confirms you're a fraud. SpaceX is not publicly traded.

>>15959306
>boomer ellipses
They should chain you under the OLM during the next static fire.

>>15959306
Understood, Elon, thank you

>>15959308
Larpers are retards 99% of the time.

>>15958966
>Ayy lmao
Real talk, if SpaceX gets to the point where they're setting up a starbase/factory on Mars, there'll be no FAA or FWS around to stop them from making funny shit like that. Quick and easy dome excavation with each launch

>>15958624
Jeff bezos sign my profile

>the japanese moon landing attempt is in
TWO

MORE

WEEKS

>>15959018
rip sir

>>15959393
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU RUINED IT I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR 4 DAYS TO MAKE THIS POST AND I JUST SAW THEY FINALLY POSTED THE IMAGE
anyways
TWO WEEKS

>>15959393
>>15959397
why is it taking so long

>>15958876
sure, mars is better for space colonisation but we are far away of having the technology to run a self sustaining mars colony which can grow on its own and it might be not even possible because of the health consequences of the low gravity. at least the moon has some use cases which could make economical sense like propellant production or microgravity manufacturing. or is there any reason to go to mars beside curiosity about mars or space colonisation?

eating a bowl of brown sugar

>>15959420
Hoping you get cavities

>>15959410
Having a large presence on Mars will make it much easier to make a truly self-sustaining settlement on Mars whenever that technology does come about. It will also make that technology come about faster.

Boing almost killed people, again...

>>15959457
More at 8

>>15959457
>Alaska Airlines grounds 737 Max 9 planes after window blows out mid-air
>737 Max
They are still flying that piece of shit lmao?

>>15959457
If it's a BOING, we're going! Can't wait to hop into a starliner and experience decompression as the door rips open

>>15959044
are those steaming 1/4in audio cables?

>>15959435
why?

>>15959484
737 Max is the most cursed plane in existence.

Where can I find specs for cabbage and cherry tomato plantation on chineese space station ?

rumors that spacex is going to lose the HLS contract

>>15959573
>rumors
Started here, by you, just now, I'm sure.

>>15959574
believe what you want anon
but nasa and blue have been trying to get the contract killed for a while now

rumors that you'll have a stretched hole the size of Ceres after /sfg/ is done with you

>>15959573
They probably have most of the HLS already designed, all they need now is to get SS to orbit and work out orbital refueling, which they're gonna do anyways. That would be even funny, if they lose the contract, but finish HLS on their own and some billionaire like Maezawa buys it. NASA astronauts will struggle to land in a National Team cuck capsule at over ten billion dollars cost, while Dear Moon 2.0 will have landed a bunch of tiktokers in a skyscraper-sized vehicle for 1% of that.