/sci/ - Science & Math

1st for fuck earthers

>>>/wsg/5366182
sounds like an elephant

Tethered Ring is the best option for spaceflight, solar energy collection and oceanic transport plans.

https://youtu.be/b3O1gtr_oAk?si=eyBSQFIJUndWChRj

Zhuque-2 launch in an hour

>>15908484
Good to know it doesn't work. Again.

>>15908468
FPBP

>>15908479
The launch has been delayed by a day anon

I love her already.

>>15908506
it's over

>>15908508
she's fat and ugly

we are back

>>15908523
IFT 3 ON 8TH DECEMBER WOOOOOO

>>15908523
HOLY SHIT

>>15908523
No source fake as shit kys fat nigger

>>15908523
so, spin prime or static fire?

>>15908539
maybe they're just moving a booster or ship
don't they need to close the road for that?

>>15908484
wait, is he really on a tropical island!? QI must already have been proven right and hes living it large. respect man.

>>15908508
what the fuck

spacex is worth $175 billion now. article is paywall though.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-12-06/spacex-tender-offer-said-to-value-startup-at-175-billion-plus

>>15908484
Status on the schizodrive?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2tJQQsCLcmo

>>15908539
pressure test

>>15908560
After listening to the latest biography written on Musk, it's such a shame that he purchased twitter. Apparently he has a habit of manufacturing a crisis in his head when things are too calm, that kind of contextualises that leaked email where he said SpaceX would go bankrupt in 2021 if it wasnt flying several starships to orbit a year by 2022. If he wasnt embroiled in twitter imagine how far he would have pushed SpaceX by now.

>>15908508
Finally, you're moms dildo is ready!

>>15908568
successful people are often driven by fear

Did you get your Starship torch yet?

>>15908582
can you stage from this awful thread please?

>>15908568
There's no easier way to mark your insights as worthless than complaining about Elon buying Twitter.

>>15908462
Stoke has been posting different things on different social media sites. They posted this on Instagram, the inside of the tank. These guys are far along.
https://www.instagram.com/p/C0g5uiarrXA/

>>15908597
whats the short term benefit of him buying it? Its clearly a distraction from Mars. Maybe in 5 years it will turn out alright, but he doesnt really have half a decade to waste, hes already old.

i already have my holoscreen ...

>>15908599
They posted this on LinkedIn
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/stoke-space_stokespace-rapidlyreuseablerockets-dynamicspaceoperations-activity-7138164181584764928-D-ZY?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop

>>15908582
Hot

>>15908582
can you do a cum tribute on the pillow and starship?

>>15908563
Two Weeks

>>15908570

why doesn't /sfg/ have any cute rocket girls?

>>15908508
>First launch 3 years after founding
Implessive

>>15908639
It's a Chicomestoga bucket of cheap SRBs.

>>15908637
This is so much better than the pedo cartoon spam

>china government money is being spent RIGHT NOW making renderings of Falchun Heavy

>>15908644
if NASA really wanted to go back to the moon ASAP, woudlnt it be simpler to just use two SLS launches mission and send up a basic bitch pressure fed apollo style lander rather than waiting for the worlds most ambitious superheavy launch vehicle to be turned into a gigantic landing space ship?

>>15908462
>>15908599
>>15908603
If only they had engines to put it through some real tests

>>15908670
I've got about 500 reasons why not right here.

What a terrible day to have eyes

>>15908670
>send up a basic bitch pressure fed apollo style lander
do you know how hard that would be to build?

>>15908676
Seems like they have a design

>>15908694
not really

>>15908694
You can always stage a pressure-fed deorbiter on descent like the chinkpollo.

I don't believe that HLS Starship will ever fly because it just looks too goofy to have Orion use such a massive system as the lander.
It's a shame NASA had completed Orion but not their gay lunar lander by the time Constellation was cancelled. If they had the lander but no deep space command module then Starship could hop in and perform far better than it will with the task its actually been given.

>>15908682
>my company made the list
no surprises there but still good to see we’re part of the gravy train

A little birdy told me OFT-3 is happening this Friday...

>>15908727
bleed. out.

>>15908727
leave the plovers alone

How hard would it be to add landing legs to a falcon heavy 2nd stage with dragon on top? Send that to the moon.

>>15908738
DELETE THIS.

>>15908582
I don't wanna buy any Starship merch until the design is finalized and actually successful.

>>15908599
>>15908603
Where are they launching from? The Cape? Vandenberg?

How do we increase the PR of the commercial space industry to normies?

We have companies making drugs in space, Astroforge is gonna launch an asteroid mining demonstrator mission next month. Vast and Gravitics are going to redefine the concept of the space station. Starship will change everything forever. Yet normies dont seem to understand or know what revolutions are going on in the industry

>>15908752
They were given LC-14 down at the cape

>>15908753
>normies dont seem to understand or know
Good. We should do everything possible to decrease the PR of the commercial space industry.

>China explicitly claims they fear SpaceX for possibly causing a deep and unprecedented technological gap between US due to incredibly mass scale sustainable manufacturing and R&D which will cause a self sustaining space boom in US
>But le plane rogget produced in gay cancelled NASA program is le scarier
Amazin

The chinese fear the SpaceX
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3244086/china-space-authorities-name-elon-musks-spacex-unprecedented-challenge

>>15908753
The revolutions occurring in the industry are questionable at best. Synthesizing drugs in space still isn't the unicorn people hoped it was three or four decades ago. The economics for asteroid mining still fail to close compared to terrestrial production. Without a business case who's going to rent out space on those stations besides the government science programs?

how will everyone cope?

>>15908753
gta7 but in space

>>15908753
Manned missions to the Moon/Mars

>>15908762
i think chris laughs at his own posts

>>15908766
With costs decreasing, large universities and businesses will be able to afford the research space too. Imagine setting up a pay-to-play bio lab up there and taking contracts from whoever wants their zero-g experiment to shortcut the ISS bureaucracy.

>>15908774
those organizations already sent payloads into space. the iss handles tons of them.

What exactly is the Great Attractor?

>>15908764
Well that’s it then. It must be shut down to keep from causing an arms race. Technology is too advanced today to repeat the failures of the Cold War. We CANNOT have another space race.

>>15908779
OP's mom

>>15908753
By defecting all that funding to anti-aging research so that any benefits or interests of space travel can be personally observed in our lifetime.

>>15908781
what would the likelihood of having humans visit all planets in the solar system, and a probe at alpha centauri by 2020 if these were built and used massively by 1985?

>>15908768
I yearn for the day when everyone but spacex goes in the cope box

The Accident Report is in on the Osiris Rex parachute failure:

> An investigation by engineers from NASA and Lockheed Martin, which built the OSIRIS-REx spacecraft and sample return vehicle, found that build plans for the mission weren't specific enough in instructing technicians who assembled the return capsule."In the design plans for the system, the word 'main' was used inconsistently between the device that sends the electric signals, and the device that receives the signals," NASA said in a written statement. "On the signal side, 'main' meant the main parachute. In contrast, on the receiver side 'main' was used as a reference to a pyrotechnic that fires to release the parachute canister cover and deploy the drogue. "Engineers connected the two mains, causing the parachute deployment actions to occur out of order," NASA said.

Idiots. And not the first time either.

>vandenberg might be doing 100 launches a year within the next two years
legit?

>>15908804
Seems like a really basic mistake
An example of why siloing is bad

>>15908806
Pushing Falcon 9's launch rate past 100/year with only three droneships is going to be a trick. They're going to try, but I've got no clue how they think it's going to work in practice.

>>15908727
Suffer slowly.

been watching the why files after getting hooked on his apollo moon landing vid. kind of spooked now (i'm easily spooked).

>>15908811
They could do lighter starlink launches with RTLS

>>15908814
Youre also easily tricked too, gullible scum.

>>15908779
Krystal, since everyone is attracted to her.

>>15908819
his basic formula is:
>here's this crazy doomsday conspiracy theory and all the evidence to go with it.
>actually it's a scam, here's why
>oh but science actually confirmed several of their predictions. spooky.
just finished the reality simulation vid.

>>15908703
>no inline powerhead
just copy raptor you retards

>>15908793
>goodfellas_popsci_mindmush.jpg

>>15908806
I don't see how they could do that without either a high percentage of RTLS flights, more drone ships, or over-land, down-range landings.

>>15908820
Fuck off Noa.

>>15908826
?

>>15908804
Dig deeper and you'll find that Linda Ham was involved in project management

>>15908817
I did hear one idea that had a reduced starlink load and a limited boostback burn so the droneship would be spending less time in transit

>>15908831
why not just make faster droneships?

>>15908832
Just land the booster horizontally and then light it again to go faster

>>15908834
just refill the booster on the droneship and have it fly itself back to the launch site

kekkle

>>15908828
uoh

>>15908582
based krystalposter

You arent fooling anyone.

Another boring Starlink launch and landing in the books. ho hum

>>15908911
Oh, it happened and went off without a hitch? I wasn't paying attention.

>China + FAA >>> SpaceX
Prove me wrong

>>15908600
There's no easy short term answer. The real answer is long term vision Musk has. The internet has become a propaganda machine for the establishment. This is the complete opposite of what the creators of the internet wanted back some 50 years ago or so. There's no freedom anywhere on the internet for people to speak their mind, so Musk bought out twitter. At the time, everyone claimed all his Tesla holdings were overinflated. It was. It was inflated so much. He was worth close to $300B at the time. So he sold parts of it and now its stabalized. In short, he only spent money that was deemed worthless/fake to buy out the smallest social media for the cheapest.

>>15908921
Xhes right you know

something is coming. oh well, I had a decent run

>>15908929
No you didnt, and nothing ever happens.

>>15908929
>sfg is so bored xhey're resorting to fake elon tweets

>>15908933
Its real and youre retarded but so is he https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1732395135336645034

Reminder that space is Trump country.

>>15908929
well send some shit to mars. there's nothing stopping you.

starlink successfully completed 9 months of secret training with the military in the arctic, paving the way for new military contracts
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-12-07/musk-s-starlink-system-clears-air-force-tests-in-arctic-region

>>15908945
Will the popsci weenies start hating spaceflight if it becomes associated with the orange man?

>>15908957
they mentally blocked out space force after relentlessly mocking it. to them it doesnt exist.

>https://archive.is/MTo62

>China space authorities name Elon Musk’s SpaceX an ‘unprecedented challenge’

>be me
>work for Amazon Kuiper
>one of the technician groups is run by a trans woman engineer who has some... interesting hiring practices
>literally only hires huge jacked black dudes and petite single white women

What did she mean by this? (this story is literally verifiable with a 5 minute linkedin search)

>>15908971
proof

>>15908971
>she

>>15908971
Inefficiencies lead to incompetence. But their inefficiencies are covered by globalist agenda who will put money in them regardless.

>>15908971
mutt's law

>>15908971
Are you a jacked black dude or a petite single white woman?

>>15908971
>trans woman
>she

>>15908768
unstoppable

>>15908990
He's a jacked white woman

>>15908971
Not verifiable because you didnt post the LinkedIn kill yourself stupid black cock loving mutt and your fake as shit nigger stories.

>>15908962
Did China's leadership finally learn you can trivially and cheaply hook up a starlink into remote-piloted stealth bombers/suicide drones?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=1fkeTULQAps&nbsp
KINO SHUTTLE ET BREAKUP.

i still think we should be starting out with robotic outposts, getting things ready for humans. it doesn't even have to be alot of robots, maybe just power and communications landers.

>>15909039
Autonomous robots aren't capable yet. Maybe in 10 years, but we'd need a human to oversee them so they dont goto waste

>>15909029
no they just did the upmass and downmass calculations to realize the USSF could have actual space marines with orbital drop ships inserted anywhere our military can keep free of SAM fire for the ~20 minutes of EDL

>>15909039
The safest (boring) answer is probably human controllers in orbit using drones to slowly build enough infrastructure to be somewhat resilient to failures. Easy enough to keep them rotating back to earth or earth orbit without committing.

>>15909039
You'd be better off just sending humans the first chance you get, robots are terrible compared to a human. If it's a bit risky just send some disposable ones (pic unrelated).

>>15909051
Yup, one dude with hand tools is better than a fleet of orbitally controlled robots as we saw with Apollo. All we need is one LZ that's flat/safe enough for moonship and a colony can bootstrap from there.

>>15908600
>from Mars
mars is a soiboy trap. Cold as antartica and dry as sahara with 1% of earfs atmo. It will only house prospecting research outposts for the first generation before first gen ore extraction starts popping up around the richest and easiest deposits. Space industrialization in general has much easier time setting up on the moon then mars. as for the south african he is just your run of the mill doomer that thinks THE DOOM is behind every corner. Much like /pol/tards see DA JOOS everywhere

low cost access for mass tonnage to leo is where the money shot is at

>>15909078
>soiboy
>inhospitable desert
Mars is for pioneers. The moon isn't really 'ISRU complete', so it isn't viable yet.

>>15909078
t. Shlomo Earthberg

>>15908804
CHECK-

>>15908600
musk never looks short term, back when shit was hitting the fan with the falcon 1 failures, he was still planning and designing the falcon 5 and dragon

>>15908804
smdh

>>15908998
>filename
kek
>>15909078
Der ewige jude.

>>15909078
Mars contains the resources for a self-sufficient colony.
The moon doesn't.

>>15908929
Elon will be like 60 something if it happens by 2033, and he is aware of his super overiptimidtic timeliness so more Realistically he won't live to see the beginings of colonization and may not even live to see humans first landing if things don't go well.
Umaginenif Elon gets dementia and destroys the whole company, or even worse how devastated he would be if the board launch a coup and take his power away.

>>15908926
He got into over 10 billion debt to buy twitter, it wasn't just tesla shares

>>15908947
>there's nothing stopping you
Biden admin's FAA and his other regulatory body controls are in the way. They've already delayed the project by 2 years. Now its looking more and more.

>>15909111
YER

>>15908804
SpaceX designs all circuitary model at the table to simulate all functions of a real and hypothetical scenarios to ensure reliable modules for all their electrical system.

stoke is a joke.

>>15909211
>t. rocketlab investooor
seethe piggy piglet

>>15909190
STAGIN'

>>15909235
ohnononoooooo i forgot about thiiissss

>>15909211
stoke is right behind spacex
name one other company doing vtol rockets

>>15909248
Blue Origin.

>>15909248
Anyone doing VTHL rockets?

>>15908522
>>15908508
KSP proportions

>>15908670
Yes, but the whole mission is pointless anyway.

>>15908762
>>China explicitly claims they fear SpaceX for possibly causing a deep and unprecedented technological gap between US
Unprecedented? Lmao when America was going to the Moon they were starving to death because they couldn't figure out how to grow grain without mass murdering each other.

>>15908670
The Apollo LEM would be totally incapable of completing a landing and return in the Artemis archietecture. Everything is built around the fact that Orion is a heavy shitcan with way too little delta v, so that lander has to be insanely high performance. Cryogen fuels are basically essential.

>>15908929
The purpose of SpaceX is to launch Brilliant Pebbles. "Saving humanity by going to Mars" is code for "Saving humanity by preventing or winning WW3".

"We need to be on mars by 2033" means that WW3 will start by 2033 and we need Brilliant Pebbles in place by then.

>>15909296
Times change, and America was once a barely industrial wasteland that Europeans scoffed at. It's prudent to take China's ambitions seriously lest we be caught with our pants down.

>>15909301
Unironically take your meds. That's a pretty dire mixup of causes, objectives, and opportunities

>>15909039
If we are going to stay on the moon instead of going as a prestige project I think we need a LEO station on lunar inclination and start landing habs on the moon before sending the next crew.
Sadly I think it's going to be Apollo all over again where we go a few times to prove we can and then it gets defunded.

>>15909313
>If we are going to stay on the moon instead of going as a prestige project I think we need a LEO station on lunar inclination and start landing habs on the moon
What good would that do? If the station isn't a destination, it's a buffer, and there's nothing to buffer for that isn't just propellant depots.

>>15909301
Ballistic missile defense is why Russia is playing with their nuclear torpedo, the easiest way to defeat space based defenses is to stay out of space.

>>15909307
>Times change
Obviously, but to say that a state of affairs is "unprecedented" is making a claim about the past. A plainly false claim in this case. A massive technological gap between China and America is anything but unprecedented.

>>15909316
the whole point is to do 30 more years of zero g experiments on astronauts, but this time around the moon

>>15909316
>propellant depots
That is the point and seeing the ISS needs replacement anyway why not use the fuel depot as our LEO research station.

>>15909317
Good thing America has a fleet of more than FIFTY (50) fast attack submarines.

>>15909321
>zero g on the moon

>>15909322
The objectives of the two are not compatible and bolting extra mass to a depot that needs to do liquid transport by acceleration would be an albatross. If you want an LEO research lab, it's best to build a dedicated LEO research lab.

>>15909334
>needs to do liquid transport by acceleration
Why would you use acceleration? you can use surface tension to keep the fuel at a pump and just use solar power to pump it instead of wasting reaction mass.

>>15909335
I recall NASA's been working on a fluid tension based system to keep propellants settled, but those things aren't weightless, and I'm not sure they're capable of operating at the scale in question.

>>15909332
>gateway
>on the moon

how much would it cost to send a starship to mars anyway. its going to take 20+ launches to refuel a single starship in orbit too.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3244086/china-space-authorities-name-elon-musks-spacex-unprecedented-challenge

>China’s ambition to become a dominant space power by 2045 is facing unprecedented challenges, especially from US company SpaceX, according to an official commentary in state-owned China Space News. >Chinese aerospace workers must maintain “a deep sense of crisis” as the California-based company takes the lead in revolutionising and reshaping the global space industry, said the commentary which was published on Friday.

>>15909339
>LEO in lunar orbit
This whole chain is fucked up.

>>15909343
He was talking about a station that orbits the Earth on an inclination suitable for a lunar departure burn.

>>15909344
I know because he was me, >>15909321 seems to have missed that.

>>15909340
>20+ launches
This number keeps getting inflated by every new doomsayer. Starship holds 1200 tons of propellant. If you want that to take 20 launches, Starship would need either 60 tons of payload capacity instead of 150 or it'd need to lose shittons of propellant to boiloff between launches.

>>15909340
1.6 billion dollars.

>>15909311
>s-surely Elon has some secret intel about a comet or something coming to earth by 2033.
>It's definitely not about war looming on the horizon

https://www.ida.org/-/media/feature/publications/A/Am/Americas%20Strategic%20Posture/Strategic-Posture-Commission-Report.pdf
>THE THREAT THROUGH 2027-2035
>The United States will face two nuclear peer adversaries for the first time. The Commission concludes that China’s rapid expansion of its nuclear forces and Russia’s increasing reliance on nuclear weapons and potentially expanded nuclear arsenal are an unprecedented and growing threat to U.S. national security and potentially the U.S. homeland. In addition, unlike previous conflicts in the 20th century, a future potential conflict with China or Russia would likely involve new kinetic and non-kinetic attacks on the U.S. homeland and assets in space and cyber domains – further underscoring the importance of deterring and defeating such attacks.
> China is pursuing a nuclear force build-up on a scale and pace unseen since the U.S.– Soviet nuclear arms race that ended in the late 1980s. The Commission further concludes that at China’s current pace, it will reach rough quantitative parity with the United States in deployed nuclear warheads by the mid-2030s.

>>15909340
1.6 trillion dolalrs.

>>15909351
>coming to earth by 2033
I hate that short term thinking is so common these days that someone planning centuries ahead couldn't actually be planning centuries ahead but instead has a super secret plan.

>>15909347
>it'd need to lose shittons of propellant to boiloff between launches.
Is that implausible? What kind of launch cadence do you think they'll achieve in only a few years?

>>15909347
NTA, it wont take that many launches for a Mars transfer and landing. The whole thing is that Starship is designed for Mars not the moon, so it's actually harder to land on the Moon than to land on Mars. It takes similar delta-v to transfer to the Moon or Mars, but for the Moon you need to bring your own fuel to land and launch because there is no aero braking and the necessary resources dont exist to refuel on the ground.

>>15909329
they can't stop nuke torpedo's

>>15909351
And this is why it would be a very good idea for Congress to reevaluate Brilliant Pebbles in the low-price, high capacity launch environment we're entering in light of the strategic threats being faced. All I was objecting to is the idea that Elon built SpaceX to make Brilliant Pebbles happen. That part is just silly.

>>15909357
If Musk is to be believed they will be launching multiple per day and boiloff won't be too bad. Also if Musk is to be believed he's landing men on Mars sometime in the next 23 days.

>>15909364
Trust the Plan.

>>15909357
SpaceX is the most experienced fast-pace launch operator in the world and they're building Starships rather quickly, so I don't think it'll take more than a few years to hit a twice-a-week launch cadence. Might take until 2028 to realize that pace, but it should be doable. Once a month is probably achievable by the end of 2024.

>>15909341
It would be better if they were dismissive and delusional.

>>15909369
Yuros do enough of that already. Some Frenchmen believe that SpaceX achieves it's low cost by being heavily subsidized by the US government, and in the same breath repeat that they have no use-case for reusable rockets.

>>15909354
Elon is the one talking about a 2033 deadline: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1732395135336645034
He's worried about something in the short term. He's worried about the coming war, that's the most pressing and proximate existential threat to humanity right now. Not a comet or climate change or any long-term threat like that.

Long term thinking is great but we need to secure the short term to even make it to the long term.

>>15909362
>All I was objecting to is the idea that Elon built SpaceX to make Brilliant Pebbles happen. That part is just silly.
If you consider Michael Griffin's extensive background with kinetic SDI and his association with Elon Musk immediately preceding the founding of SpaceX, and the fact that SpaceX has been developing precisely the high capacity launch capabilities needed for Brilliant Pebbles, I don't think it's silly to think that SpaceX has been angling for SDI contracts from the very start.

If you want to believe that Elon Musk really does want to get to Mars, then a good first step would be to 1) Prevent or win any major wars that would get in the way of space exploration. 2) Made obscene amounts of money by selling the solution to such major wars to the US government. Winning the contracts to develop/deploy Brilliant Pebbles should be insanely lucrative and could plausibly bankroll a serious Mars colony.

>>15909364
>If Musk is to be believed they will be launching multiple per day
I believe they might get to a few a week, maybe even two or three on the same day, but multiple a day for several days in a row? They won't be ready for that kind of launch cadence in time for Artemis. Maybe in 10 years, but not in two or three years.

Falcon 9's present launch cadence seems like a realistic goal for Starship to reach within 5 years.

>>15909374
He also said we needed to be there by 2021. SpaceX does some great work but Musk is a halfwit grifter that gets fined billions for tweeting about stock buybacks while on acid.

>>15909374
How the fuck you gonna shoot down icbms with 10000 satelitles? Space is huge.. 10000 is peanuts to space

>>15909379
If you're not a tourist, you know that isn't true.

>>15909381
>merely 10000
With Starship they could launch 50,000 easily. More if necessary, and the best part is that Starship's promised rapid launch cadence would be perfect for rapidly replenishing the constellation of interceptors. China is scared shitless about Starship for this reason. It's not because they're afraid that America might build Moon or Mars bases, it's because they think SpaceX could checkmate them on Earth.

>>15909374
>Winning the contracts to develop/deploy Brilliant Pebbles should be insanely lucrative and could plausibly bankroll a serious Mars colony.
that's all very well, but you're forgetting that the soviets pursued an aggressive assassination campaign against SDI scientists, proponents etc. Putting yourself and your company in the sights of desperate nuclear armed nations is not really a good idea.
>>15909381
you just set a small missile on an intercept with the other missile, then explode the payload at the right time, it's that easy.

>>15909385
Source?
https://jalopnik.com/was-elon-musk-tweeting-on-acid-azealia-banks-says-yes-1828307241
Now lets say she is lying why would someone as litigious as Musk not file for defamation?

>>15909316
gateway is an anchor. once it’s up nasa can say “look at this space station we spent all this money on. We gotta keep using it. Don’t cancel Artemis funding” to congress.
getting europe and canada involved means they can bully congress too.

>>15909386
you would beed to launch 50 thousand a day to deal with boiloff.

>>15909387
Elon Derangement Syndrome is not an organic phenomenon, as I'm sure you're aware; the public reputation assassination campaign against Elon Musk is already well underway, and there are doubtlessly many people trying to kill him as well. The enemies of America (including useful idiots / traitors in America) want Elon Musk dead more than anything else.

>>15909374
>If you want to believe that Elon Musk really does want to get to Mars, then a good first step would be to 1) Prevent or win any major wars that would get in the way of space exploration. 2) Made obscene amounts of money by selling the solution to such major wars to the US government. Winning the contracts to develop/deploy Brilliant Pebbles should be insanely lucrative and could plausibly bankroll a serious Mars colony.

The best case scenario for SpaceX here would be a near-one-time occurrence of Starlink scale launch contracts of up to 200 launches bidded at maybe $50 million a flight. $10 billion isn't chump change and is nothing to scoff at, but it's a drop in the bucket compared to the telecommunications industry, and it's not improbable that Starlink could soon yield that kind of annual revenue without a one-time influx from defense buildouts.

>>15909394
BP interceptors wouldn't use cryogenic propellants.

>>15909390
Ignoring that you're pulling a laughable tabloid up as your source, look up any biopic on Elon Musk, be it Berger's or that other one that came out, or any of the people who have worked with or directly under him, and you'll hear time and again that Musk is very quick to pick up the job of any of his employees and very, very good at it once he does.

>>15909396
BP contracts are worth a hell of a lot more than that; once SpaceX proves they have the capability (and have an administration willing to play ball) it will be a seller's market. Furthermore the BP contracts will be a constant revenue stream, like Starlink, because interceptors in LEO need to be replaced every few years.

>>15909398
I have no doubt people tell one of the richest men he's very good at everything, funnily enough the Paypal guys that worked with him when he was a mere millionaire tell a very different story.

I don't talking about Musk, I love space, I love SpaceX and he has very little to do with either.

>>15909381
But ICBMs don't go in all of space. They peek out into a very thin, very specific piece of space that's constrained by their launch site, target, and flight characteristics. How closely the killsats need to be placed friends on their engagement range, but a few long trains running east-west across Russia is the bulk of what you'd need.

>>15909400
*I'm done talking about Musk

>>15909390
>>15909379
I don't see any mention of a 2021 deadline in that article, nor any billions of dollar fines (never happened.)

>>15909399
No, it isn't. BP was cancelled because the costs were exorbitant, and as deep as the DoD's pockets are, they are not endless, and there are a lot of big budget line item expenses eating most of it already.

>>15909400
What's more likely: that literally everybody who worked for him was bribed or threatened to praise him or else for years after they left the company, or Elon Musk actually is an intelligent man and his intelligence and gumption are the reasons for his success, and the people insisting otherwise feel resentment about that success?

>>15909400
>the Paypal guys that worked with him
And what have they accomplished since then?

>>15909406
>BP was cancelled because the costs were exorbitant
At the time, BP costs were simply impossible. SpaceX is making it possible.

>>15909394
How did you manage a b instead of an n? Do you type with your hands in the air?

Give it to me straight, does photon-particle coupling for long-distance lasing without diffraction or beam spreading actually work? Has anybody ever demonstrated this?

>>15909410
That's an easy typo to make on a QWERTY keyboard using your right index finger, particularly if your typing posture is sloppy.

>>15909408
That is true. At the same time, SpaceX is not around to make Brilliant Pebbles happen, and it is very unlikely that SpaceX''s launch business will ever compete with their telecommunications business for the largest share of revenues. Even at the scale of Brilliant Pebbles, it's not going to be their biggest earner once Starlink is done building out.

>>15909413
The DoD is happy to fund Starlink and they'll pay well for access if it's secure enough for aircraft datalink.

>>15909400
no they don't you fucking retard

>>15909428
kiss the ring.

>>15908764
>paywalled
Nigger.
>Why you can trust SCMP
kek

>>15909456
slurp PRC dick

>>15909466
put your finger in my anus and swirl your tong on the head of my cock

>>15909476
>ching chong ping pong
Indeed.

>>15909317
How are they gonna nuke Wyoming or West Virginia with a torpedo?

its funny how Musk is just insanely lucky and none of the success of his various companies can be attributed to him in any way, but all the failures or problems such as missing timelines are solely his responsibility
really makes you think, he really is the luckiest person alive, can stumble into any industry without any knowledge whatsoever and just happens to become the most disruptive and successful company in that niche and this happens again and again while competing startups fail

>>15909485
The answer and less insane solution in all regards to begin with is cruise missiles.

>>15909361
Yeah we can, we have anti torpedo torpedoes built to help SSNs screen carriers.

>>15909487
its because hes a fucking billionaire dude.

>>15909387
>the soviets pursued an aggressive assassination campaign against SDI scientists, proponents etc.
Like?

>>15909485
They are for counter value strikes rather than counter force strikes. Counter force is only relevant if you think you can "win" a nuclear exchange as counter value provides the true deterrent.

>>15909493
and how did that happen?

>>15909487
Don't forget; not only are missed timelines his fault, but he misses them deliberately because he's a liar and a fraud.

>>15908804
The "we only get one shot at this, so we need a perfect plan" crowd BTFO as usual

>>15909487
I've read the whole biography, he's clearly smart and has a very rigorous work effort, but he still makes mistakes and stupid decisions. It seems he works best when he has competent people around him who can stand his personality and guide his whims to more productive things.

>>15909499
yep, mars colony late by 2 years
yet another example of musk being a fraud
kek

>>15909497
He was born into wealth. Then got lucky with Tesla. SpaceX exists because Obama fucking nurtured it.

>>15909493
He wasn't a billionaire when he founded SpaceX. He wasn't a billionaire when he took charge of Tesla.
>>15909505
He really wasn't. All the actual evidence points to Elon effectively building his wealth from scratch after emigrating to Canada and then the United States.

>>15909503
you really don't get it, making mistakes is a given
that is how the iterative process works
you make a mistake, learn from it, try again, make more or less mistakes and repeat until you succeed

>>15909493
Lots of people are billionaires. Bezos is a billionaire yet his rocket company, which is older than SpaceX, cannot get to space.

>>15909505
so why don't other people born into wealth accomplish what he does? why did other launch startups fail that were started before and after SpaceX? are you saying Obama specifically nurtured only SpaceX?
do you see how ridiculous you sound?

>>15909510
Plenty of SpaceX alumni who have left the company to pursue other interests or other companies, and that hasn't been enough to change that for Blue Origin either.

>>15909497
I invested $20 into crypto in 2011, since then I have pulled out ~$30k and I still have ~$20k still in.
Now imagine if my daddy owned an emerald mine and I could have afforded to throw $1m in instead of $20.

It's not hard to get lucky with a little bit of foresight and the disposable funds to back your ideas.

>>15909515
>I'm a lucky retard therefore everyone is

>>15909505
There are literally MILLIONS of millionaires in America. Why aren't there millions of Elon Musks?

>>15909515
Musk got maybe 20k from his father as an investment into the first company he did
you are coping

>>15909503
>he still makes mistakes
How could you possibly expect him to not make mistakes? He's a mortal man, not the son of God.

>>15909496
There's like 100 million people living inland.

and assuming someone handed you 100 mil or something (lets say the first company musk sold was blind luck)
do you understand how many people with that much capital exist? why is no-one else as lucky with completely random ventures like musk?
you really have to have a really demented worldview to sincerely belive everythign musk achieves is due to luck
like its laughable

>>15909513
Even with his billions of dollars and plenty of rocket engineer talent around to hire, Bezos cannot into space. Sure makes you think...

>>15909526
First-principals understandings, a keen mind, prodigious willpower, and a bottomless wellspring of spite can take you far.

>>15909523
Frankly they don't matter, lets say you are the POTUS and you are saber rattling on behalf of donors as is tradition.
Now someone rattles back and they can produce 50% casualty rates in your coastal cities.
Are you willing to risk not only the lives of millions but the economic and political turmoil that will follow and has a decent chance of getting you the Mussolini ending?

>>15909537
Successful employment of the weapon and availability in large numbers are both rather generous assumptions.

>>15909537
I would be a national hero for having the foresight to invest into a system that could save so much of America's population from an aggressive bloodthirsty hostile power.
Just imagine what would've happened if they had been able to freely nuke America all they wanted and our only "defense" was nuking them back.

>>15909537
>call up USN
>ayo where dem russian boomers at?
>We have half a dozen SSNs actively monitoring each of them sir, they're all accounted for and can be neutralized in an instant.

>>15909538
For Russia yes but the point stands that a ballistic defense only works against ballistic delivery systems and there are plenty of other options.
If I was designing a first strike nuclear force today I would be going for hypersonics with MIRV style development from each missile with RWR based early release in case of SAM / air launched intercept.

>>15909545
Claimed range of Poseidon is 10,000km, while I don't tend to believe Russia I also see no reason that isn't possible with a nuclear reactor.
You don't need sub launch with those ranges.

>>15908670
Nigga, they can only build one SLS rocket every 18 months.

>>15909552
Poseidons are sub launched because anything else is even easier to track.

>>15909494
https://youtube.com/watch?v=BDA3gGBzMKA
this is just the surface level, it goes deeper.

>>15909563
It can be land based with that range, hell put it on a truck with a floating trailer for boat ramp launches.

>>15909569
Easier to track than submarines. This is the entire point of putting nukes on submarines.

I want another Neptune mission so bad bros. What mission would you envision with the help of Starship's capabilities?

>>15909334
Do we have an idea of what sort of ullage thrust is needed for cryo propellant transfer? 1m/s^2? 1cm/s^2??

>>15909611
Earth gravity.

>>15908670
This guy brings up some interesting things about the current state of the Artemis program. If you aren't too anti-youtube.

https://youtu.be/OoJsPvmFixU

>>15909616
that dude is a retard
didn't even bother to find out the basic mission of the programme (permanent presence instead of boots on ground)

>>15909616
We have been over this fucking video already. The retard took a week's dive into a complex program that involves multiple big government contractors and years of congressional funding politics and then lectured an audience who knew more about it than him. And the amount of shit he got wrong was embarrassing. Completely nullified whatever valid points he made.

do not engage the brilliant pebbles retard.
this just causes him to fill the thread with his other opinions which are worthless by default due to the magnitude of his delusion on the one topic.

>>15909616
This is must watch for all /sfg/ anons. Wake up call

>>15909544
I take it you weren't alive during the Cold War.

>>15909620
>permanent presence instead of boots on ground
And how is that gonna happen when SLS needs 15 additional rocket launches just to fuel up to get to the moon.

>>15909637
>SLS needs 15 additional rocket launches
are you retarded? anyway return to reddit

>>15909637
please be bait

>>15909642
https://spacepolicyonline.com/news/at-least-15-starship-launches-to-execute-artemis-iii-lunar-landing/

>>15909624
Brilliant pebbles is stupid anyway just launch decoy missiles

>>15909649
Yes. What do you think this has to do with SLS redditor?
There would be the same number of refuelings if the astronauts were launching on Starship

>>15909616
Doesnt mention congress no point.

>>15909647
>>15909642
Hes serious btw. Thank that SmarterEveryGoy jewtuber

>>15909616
Even the Martian understood how these programs work better than this retard.

>>15909637
>And how is that gonna happen when SLS needs 15 additional rocket launches just to fuel up to get to the moon
SLS is an entirely different rocket tourist. The HLS is launched and refueled through Starship. And the difference is that it can bring along 150 tonnes of payload and 1000m3 of habitable volume. You can effectively make a moon base with just one of them.

And even than the 15 launches meme is not some set number. That's based on outdated performance numbers for a Starship is fully reusable mode. If they wanted they could just launch 4-5 expandable Starships instead.

>>15909662
>expandable fluid transfer
tags: rocketgirls, futanari, inflation, r18

>>15909662
I guess that make sense. But using up 4-5 starships per launch can't be anymore sustainable than using and reusing 15 per launch.

>>15909662
I don't think you can make a lander of any size or payload capacity that is fully reusable and goes from LEO to NRHO to Moon to NRHO without ballpark 5-10 refuelings in LEO.
The argument to be had is whether these refuelings cost you less than throwing away a stage of your lander. Medium to long term with fully reusable tanker flights it's obvious they will. Short term and especially with expendable tankers there's no way.
Also all cargo launches can bypass gateway going straight to the moon so you can save on that too.

>>15909668
Youll be fucking hanged

>>15909678
*hung

>>15909674
the number is irrelevant, that is something people don't seem to get
what matters is cost, this system is designed to be reusable
doesn't matter if you needed 100 launches
as long as those 100 launches are cheaper than one launch by another rocket (lets say SLS) then it still makes sense

>>15909674
Well, obviously not. It's should purely be something done during time constraint. SpaceX will be able to produce a Starship once a month by next year or perhaps even more by the end of it. And even throwing out 5 expandable ones wouldn't even amount to half the cost of one SLS launch to put it into some perspective.

>>15909680
Die

>>15909678
uwu autoerotic asphyxiation

>>15909687
time constraint during the period when Starship's reusability is not fully developed* that is.

Guess what? Little birdy told me some big changes coming @ Starbase

>>15909702
bleed out.

>>15909704
Don't you want to ask me details?

>>15909702
Your little birdy is playing jewish tricks on you.

Launch when?

>>15909712
Training the rat for liftoff.

>>15908832
It's not that easy in maritimetry

>>15908832
>>15908834
>>15908835
Or just build more droneships

>>15909712
Is this the famed little bordy?

>>15909678
>>15909688
>>15909704
Why are you fucking barneyfag posting in /sfg/?

Seems to me the bigger the rocket, the riskier the launch. Why don't we send all the equipment and fuel up to orbit on big rockets, then send the astronauts on smaller safer rockets? It just seems like we are still doing things like the Apollo days: send the whole hog up all at once. Unnecessary risk to life.

Reminder that this is how Starship tankers will work.

>>15909746
are big airplanes riskier than small airplanes?

>>15909748
big rocket vs small rocket success rates are what I am looking at. not your false equivalency logical fallacy.

>>15909751
really? what numbers are you looking at exactly

>>15909758
I dont even know where you schizos get the numbers to back up your starship fantasies.

>>15909758
falcon 9 has many many more successful launches than starship or falcon heavy. like 250+. Don't get me wrong, I think the heavies have their use. But when it comes limiting the risks for human life, you should use your most reliable rocket. send the equipment seperately.

>>15908582
are you /pol/s Finnish furry?

>>15909616
I'm glad someone with his platform is finally speaking out. It's always been retarded, the best we cn hope is that they cancel the Art III project before it reaches completion and just move Art 4 to Art 3's place.

>>15909039
human wave tactics, eventually the bodies will pileup enough to keep an atmosphere in the middle

>>15909599
Balloon probe

>>15909743
Two people, and also because its funny and suits my purposes.

>>15909772
you are absolutely retarded
are you trolling? please tell me this is trolling

>>15909774
Hi newfag, no he's from Hawaii and has been shitting up /sfg/ for a while now. More recently, he's been a nigger thread splitter so theres that. If you want context go back to the IFT-2 threads and you will get everything you need.

>>15909799
why is it retarded? do you have the 8th grade vocab needed to put your ideas into words?

>>15909805
okay so you are completely clueless

>>15908547
lol

>>15909807
>hey /sfg/ what about this idea
>no thats retarded
>but why can you explain
>of course not

>>15909747
How much extra mass?

>>15909814
people are being sent up with SLS, not Starship
you don't even know the most basic shit about this, why would I continue talking about it with you?

>>15909747
I wish the placement of the LOX header tank was different.

>>15909751
>big rocket vs small rocket success rates are what I am looking at
>electron failure rate

>>15909823
ok thank i was mistaken. you're still a jackass though

>>15909835
you could try reading the wikipedia article or something before you start talking retarded shit
I called you retarded because what you said is retarded, simple as that

https://twitter.com/SpaceNews_Inc/status/1732754383908044892


Artemis vs ILRS

>>15909616
This guy needs to go fuck himself.

>>15909840
but it still begs the question. why do we send up crew on SLS when falcon 9 is much more reliable?

>>15909841
I think South Africa is the last big geographic piece worth fighting over on that front since we already have all the ISS/ASAT capable nations besides Russia and China, and we have Australia, Argentina, and Brazil for southern hemisphere groundstations.

>>15909855
Congress wrote a law requiring it to protect orangerocketbad. Big Jim proposed putting Orion+ICPS on a Falcon Heavy and Richard Shelby almost canceled the entire Artemis program out of spite.

>>15909855
because congress
SLS is a jobs programme

>>15908694
just get the automatic landing code from a quadcopter, wire the outputs for the 4 motors to some rocket engines, then put a seat and fueltanks on top.

>>15909855
and yes it would be better to use a falcon 9 probably until Starship gets reliable enough to get human rated, but that isn't possible within the Artemis programme
Artemis pretty much exists for SLS to have a purpose and SLS exist for legacy shuttle contractors and subcontractors have work

>>15908762
Ah, could this explain the hatred of Musk? These people like thunderf00t are not real, but simply the CCP trying to undermine their military opposition.

fun fact: the people who chose Starship as the HLS winner got demoted or fired because HLS was supposed to be another oldspace grift programme through Blue Origin

>>15909872
really?

>>15909872
this grift and beauracracy, which i have no doubt exists, is the reason why private companies need to be the one to lead the way to mars and beyond. leaving it up to NASA is just asking for government waste and false promises. no disrepect to the apollo program, but that era has passed.

uhhhh.... MSRbros?
how do we respond?
https://spacenews.com/rethink-the-mars-program/

>>15909875
Newfag
>>15909872

>>15909883
Kill ourselves because MSR is a gravy train mission and should have its funding cut (and Dragonfly)

>>15909884
proof? or did your schzio friend make it up in a dream?

>>15909856
black south africans are firmly aligned with russia and china

>>15909888
Just one more reason Elon needs to drop Starships full of fusion bombs on them.

>>15909888
how easy would it be to create appartheid again?

ILRS is getting brutally mogged by artemis

Well well well… SeX always comes crawling back to youtube at the end of the day

>>15909900
lol and Russia is still clinging to the ISS instead of Tinydong2 because China won't put their station in a 51.6" inclination.

>>15909908
Meds now theyre still streaming in Xitter
>inb4 its x tranny
FUCK YOU I WILL NOT USE YOUR STUPID FAG PORN SITE NAME OR BUY YOUR X PREMIUM SERVICE STREAMING IFT-2 ON TWITTER WAS A MISTAKE THAT OBVIOUSLY SHOULDVE NEVER BEEN MADE

So they had onboard footage, but didn't show anything after seperation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3iHAgwIYtI

why is the exhaust going inward instead of outward?

>>15909925
apart from this

>Clearly has onboard cams and thermal footage
>"hehe heres 3 seconds of it :)"
Someone put in the FIFO request.

why doesn't starship have a black box?

The based Tiangong.

>>15909929
you sure that applies to a private company? kind of doubt it

>>15909891
would be relatively easy in vacuum but the western block would stop it right now

>>15909925
They are hiding something...

>>15909945
Maybe they are hiding shit from chinks

>>15909947
Or hiding something embarrassing

>>15909961
Last time they actually showed onboard footage during launch, but not this time.

>>15909965
maybe they didn't have a good connection?
they still haven't released the full onboard footage from IFT-1

>>15909938
Apartheid will develop naturally in space because BO particles stay in the air for much longer. Nobody wants to live in a hab full of nigger stink.

>>15909872
They even gave one guy terminal cancer
RIP

>>15909927
Oh shit... This is bad.
No wonder they didnt post the full video LMAO
Doomers vindicated.

So they did have the onboard camera feeds this whole time and they just didn't show us until now?

Release the full onboard footage Elon REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>15909927
>it's just two stale buns with nothing in between

>>15909979
It would have been weird if they didn't have cameras considering it's a test vehicle

>>15909972
I was talking about political vacuum (South Africa by itself), not vacuum of space
I don't think it will happen in space, the mars colony will have to be pragmatic i.e. a non meritocratic system will run into trouble very quickly
you won't have useless immigrants in mars, only the best will be filtered there so no need or reason for apartheid (the black people that do go there will be competent)

>>15909976
him having terminal cancer might have been the reason he did what he did
at least that would be an extra reason, doesn't matter if you get backlash if you are going to be gone in a few years anyway, might as well go out with a bang

>>15909984
Well we still haven't seen any footage at all from the engine bay or from Starship, just the booster camera

>>15909926
the visible part is just much hotter than the rest of the plume, you can see the same 'cone' (shock diamonds accumulating into a larger one?) in the liftoff photos

>>15909985
>>15909988
Shut the fuck up negroid not spaceflight

>>15909994
I disagree

>>15909994
i agree

>>15909994
also you smell

>>15909994
I can't make my mind up on if you are right.

>>15909908
>using up youtube's bandwidth like a little slut
based ngl

>>15909998
>>15910002
>>15910005
>>15910018
Hang yourself

>>15909998
>>15910002
>>15910005
>>15910018
live yourself

>>15910032
off topic comment by you

>>15910035
Why are you announcing a report?

>>15910039
why would assume such a thing? also stop posting off topic stuff please

Why is NASA such BBC suckers that theyre sending them to the moon to to BLACKED a white woman

>>15910052
it's the only way to get coongress to approve funding

Eat the bugs, live in the moon pod, own nothing and be unhappy.
Eat the 3D printed steak & salad, live in your own martian home, own your life and be happy.

>>15910097
This sounds kinda comfy

>>15910098
Which one

>>15909994
ambivalent about this

>>15910098
YOURE A FUCKING PIG. NICE PSYOP I WILL NEVER EAT ZE BUGS

>>15910103
Being a bug

here's a webm of the launch footage

>>15910112
thats so fake. it looks nothing like the original alviestream. i think im going insane or spacex is pulling a fast one.

>>15910112
how is this related to spaceflight? it didn't go to space

>>15910115
>>15910116
nawwww why these goofy ahhh bluds trying to ratio my launch footage :skull:

>>15910112
4MB is the limit now.
>>15910116
It did.

>>15910116
Wrong, it went above 100km so it is spaceflight, unlike IFT-1.

>>15910120
i tried getting it to 4mb but it was encoded wrong and i was too lazy to do it again so i just uploaded the 2mb version i had before

>>15910112
thanks anon

>>15910110
reread your post. it's really a nice sustainable way to live, and the moon is very peaceful

Kill all mooniggers

>>15910131
racism outside b

>>15910123
maybe 1/3 it did briefly go above 100km before exploding, but that rounds down 0 so I would say not spaceflight related

Love all mooniggas

>>15910136
See >>15910039

>>15910143
are you announcing a report? that's a reportable offense

>>15910144
See >>15910044

>>15910112
>>15910120
here's the same vid at the 4mb limit if anyone cares

>>15910155
how do you do that

That oxygen tank is SPILLIN

>>15910155
youre so fucking idiotic. this isnt 4mb either.

>>15910158
racism

>>15910143
>>15910146
these posts are extremely low quality

>>15910162
who cares its close enough and putting the limit at 4MB makes it go slightly above that

>>15910158
download vidcoder and set the target filesize to slightly below 3.9 MB

>>15910160
I thought we determined the Ship had the LOX leak, not the Booster, what gives?

>>15910178
you see the ship in the background
definitely looks like a leak of some kind (or I guess it could be attitude thrusters or something as well)

>>15910165
Actually theyre not, see picrel. Also, see >>15910039.

>>15910112
>>15910155
Stop using online platform to do this shit. The quality is atrocious.

>>15910180
Huh. It looks like the leak happened exactly halfway up the ship and not at the base where I expected it to. And we know the ship split in half thanks to those pics of it after it broke up. What went wrong I wonder? Is there something particularly difficult about how the starship rings in that area are joined together?

>>15910184
It's at 3.8 MB I don't think the last .2 matters that much in terms of quality.
I didn't do it online, I used vidcoder

>>15910183
I've just reported your post for trolling outside b

/sfg/ - Slapfight General

Y'all are retarded

>>15910223
gonna miss this. the triangle engine configuration looks scifi.

https://youtu.be/Jor9KtqYidE?si=2dJyiEErbDLlcReg
ahahaha she just fucked Dustin the the ass

>>15910232
Dustin should really do a followup so the millions of NPCs that watch his videos don't go spreading the talk as fact

>>15910232
Tweet this at Nasa administrator, this needs to get to the top. we can turn this ship around get space on the right track
>>15910251
his channel is for npcs? they get smarter each day from watching his videos. what about you? dumber each day

>>15910260
Not true, I come here to learn from smart people.

MoreMisinformedEveryday

>>15910262
how many subscribers does this place have conpared to destin

SpaceX has never been able to debunk this.

GayerEveryDay

>channel is smarter every day
>video actually makes you dumber
people shouldnt speak outside of their expertise

>>15910232
Never thought i’d find myself agreeing with her hahahaha way to go, destin

about the vega tanks story from a Kourou worker
"The truth of this story seems so incredible that I can only leave you to imagine how flight material can end up in the garbage and then in the recycling bin....
I still can't believe what I heard.

Avio has lost all credibility for me"

This is from a guy who, a few days ago, thought it was an overblown story and a mere conspiracy against avio

>>15910184
There's no way to get a high quality >1min dynamic video for 4MB anon

>>15910227
>gonna miss this. the triangle engine configuration looks scifi.
Yeah I agree. It is very reminiscent of the Interplanetary Transport System. 9 engines just doesn't look as cool.

>>15910275
he has no expertise

>>15910232
she might be right but she is still a literal who? with videos that don't even make 3 digits in views

>>15910308
Meanwhile disinfo hits multiple million views. That's irrelevant

>>15910308
she is a major space journo and high up in the jewish control apparatus

>>15910232
>the difference is Artemis is a sustainable program!
The problem is Artemis is not a sustainable program. 11.8 billion dollars btw KEK. How is dragonfly and that mars sample return mission going?

NASA is delusional. They are a jobs program, nothing more

>>15910299
you don’t have to worry about recycling on the launch pad if you just recycle your whole rocket before hand. Another genius idea from our euro friends