/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15907616
you're as retarded as they are.
Good news: You're all stupid and you're all wrong.

>>15907723
truly a high quality and high IQ post, displaying your vast intellect and genuinely making me reconsider my previous conclusions by virtue of the vast amounts of data and excellent rhetorical strategy contained within. well done, anon.

>>15907723
ur dumb 2 lole

The lives of the saints always being called dumb or wrong

Can we just admit that innate talent DOES exist and is responsible for most of the variance in ability but IQ just doesn't measure it well?

>>15907616
academic performance != IQ != work performance

>>15907964
Yes

>NOOOO BUT IM A SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE
>IM A WHITE NERD THAT MEANS IM A GENIUS
>B-BUT I GOT A B+ IN CALCULUS

>>15907616
The correlation between PISA and IQ is about 0.9. You are only looking at outliers dum dum.
Most of those aren't even real.

>>Ireland’s measured IQ has always been in the 90s
No it wasn't
>>Vietnam and Turkey have measured IQs in high 80s to 90s and sometimes outperform OECD nations
No. OECD average is far above both of these
>>Norway and Iceland have measured IQs around the European average of 100, and yet perform pretty mediocre in these surveys
They perform the same as other 100IQ nations.

>>15907616
PISA is literally an IQ test lol

>>15907616
Here is a paper that measured PISA scores across the world
https://twitter.com/Woessmann/status/1581884461007785986

And here is the map they produced.
Hmm... looks suspiciously similar as the IQ maps from someone named Lynn. Since PISA isn't IQ this is such a strange coincidence.

Pretty good, but I want to see scores split further by Jomon and Yayoi in Japan, and WASP and "other" in US Whites.

>>15907616
>academics is for midwits
More news at 11.

>>15907964
YES

>>15907861
>truly a high quality and high IQ post,
yeah my not wasting any effort on you retards would be. somebody did anyway >>15908211 but doesn't understand (or does not mention, rather) why correcting you doesn't matter nor evidence the contrary point.
Much the same reason as why people performing fellatio on Lynn's inept work are wrong >>15908225

now let's say we set all that aside. if you didn't have major selection bias problems, it wouldn't mean what they claim it means anyway. nearly all i've seen would be wrong by drawing the wrong conclusions from it or discounting those conclusions for the wrong reasons.

so yes you're all stupid. people have explained why you're all stupid many times before. my adding to that wouldn't accomplish anything because if you actually did care you'd have gone to find out why you're stupid. since you don't, and keep repeating stupid things, obviously you don't care and so obviously any care by someone not stupid would be wasted on you.

tl;dr yes it was a very high IQ post thanks for noticing.

>>15908211
>No it wasn't
Yes it is
>No. OECD average is far above both of these
No it isn’t
>They perform the same as other 100IQ nations.
Not at all, they are literally among the lowest in Europe

>>15908225
>>15908218
Then it means the average IQs of most nations just dropped in 2022 by almost a standard deviation right? That’s the implication if it is almost exactly an IQ test.

>>15908225
For reference

>>15909114
>Then it means the average IQs of most nations just dropped in 2022 by almost a standard deviation right? That’s the implication if it is almost exactly an IQ test.
i'd be shocked if they're actually that stupid and that's actually what they mean. but it is 4chan so who knows maybe they were and i'm way too charitable.

either way applying correlations with iq testing like 0.8-0.9 in some nations to nations with large confounds to their testing bases, so large sampling bias basically, is pretty stupid too. why bother with anything else? if someone's too stupid to understand sampling bias they're going to be hopeless.

>>15909114
>Yes it is
Read:
https://russellwarne.com/2022/12/17/irish-iq-the-massive-rise-that-never-happened/

>No it isn’t
Just look at it lol

>Not at all, they are literally among the lowest in Europe
Anon, 100 points on PISA scale is worth 15 on IQ scale. 26 point gap between nations is just worth 4 IQ points. Given that Iceland and Norway weren't picked at random this just isn't saying much. When the same person takes two IQ tests after certain time periods their score wouldn't be exactly identical. There might be individuals where the gap is even like 5 points. The test-retest correlation is like 0.88 not 0.99. This is even trickier within nations, just look at your pic. There are easily 7 point gaps among these studies for Ireland. I guess IQ tests don't measure IQ either.

>Then it means the average IQs of most nations just dropped in 2022 by almost a standard deviation right?
Did IQ of Ireland increase by 7 points between 1964 and 1981? Then dropped back 10 points by 1990?

I believe this since I procrastinate like shit lol. Clearly there are students that study longer than me and do their work on time and get better grades, but I don’t give a shit lol. I just aim for a B in effort.

Even if someone is high IQ if they are lazy than they may perform worse than a person with less IQ who works really hard. Oh well, I congratulate the people that work hard they deserve more reward, it’s unfair to reward based on genetic IQ.

>>15909114
>>Not at all, they are literally among the lowest in Europe
Anon, 100 points on PISA scale is worth 15 on IQ scale. 26 point gap between nations is just worth 4 IQ points. Given that Iceland and Norway weren't picked at random this just isn't saying much. Ireland is just 3 IQ points worth above Portugal. When the same person takes two IQ tests after certain time periods their score wouldn't be exactly identical. There might be individuals where the gap is even like 5 points. The test-retest correlation is like 0.88 not 0.99. This is even trickier within nations, just look at your pic. There are easily 7 point gaps among these studies for Ireland. I guess IQ tests don't measure IQ either.

>Then it means the average IQs of most nations just dropped in 2022 by almost a standard deviation right?
Did IQ of Ireland increase by 7 points between 1964 and 1981? Then dropped back 10 points by 1990?

>>15909184
bit off topic but the bigger problem is most societies aren't set up to reward ability sufficiently to motivate it toward excellence.

of course there are degrees there too some people are so high on the scale they procrastinate and still get A's reinforcing further procrastination. some crash and burn after high school or undergrad others are high enough throughout that nothing is really hard. so there's a much deeper problem there you're touching the surface of

>>15909187
>Anon, 100 points on PISA scale is worth 15 on IQ scale
nta and you are making a lot of assumptions including sampling equivalency not only between countries but year over year within countries

this is seriously a waste of time for all parties

>>15908882
>redditspacer

>>15909303
I don't know what you mean.
The standard deviation for PISA scale is 100 with mean set to 500. With IQ it's 15 and 100 respective.

>>15909303
I don't know what you mean.
The standard deviation for PISA scale is 100 with mean set to 500. With IQ it's 15 and 100 respectively.

>>15909327
>I don't know what you mean.
suggesting these are representative of something or useful for comparison. there's pretty substantial sampling biases between these countries and sometimes between years.
was not talking about standard deviation

>>15909187
>Did IQ of Ireland increase by 7 points between 1964 and 1981? Then dropped back 10 points by 1990?
>anon doesn't understand sampling

>>15907964
It's not innate. It's learned. And it's called discipline.