/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15901688
Yes it's all a hoax to humiliate us theists

> propaganda to validate darwin
christians are so hypocritical. they say they are systemically humble, but in reality they are terrified of dying; that's kinda desperate; you obviously prefer going to hell than not going anywhere too.

>>15901707
>you obviously prefer going to hell than not going anywhere
all religions that ever made success, promise life after death.
it's the main reason of their existence.

>>15901707
>I know everything about Christianity and The Bible because I've never gone to church and I've never read The Bible
how come the narcissistic atheists all believe in this ridiculous and blatantly dumb fallacy?

>>15901737
>narcissistic
if you were not a hypocrite and a narcissist yourself, you wouldn't give a single shit if you go to a heaven or a hell after you die (I bet you prefer even going to a hell than nowhere little bitch don't you?).

also you seem very hateful against others for a "humble christian" little bitch.

>>15901756
>also you seem very hateful against others for a "humble christian" little bitch.
Never have I seen someone this blind to irony.

>>15901737
Retarded cultist

>>15901757
yes keep talking to the mirror.

>>15901756
>>15901758
This is a case study of what narcissistic injury looks like.

>>15901761
If you think the universe was made for you, you're obviously the more narcissistic one

>>15901688
I'm not even mad about the "dinosaurs were planted by satan / are fake" psyop. Paleontologists deserve it for lying so much about chinese fossils that everyone just lost faith in the entire field.

>>15901737
Christianity says everything about itself on its surface, that's kind of the point, otherwise evangelism wouldn't exist.

>>15901688

Total grift.

>>15902548
Creamer.

>>15902543
>t. narcissistic know-it-all atheist
why are you people so predictable?

>>15901737
Thats because atheism and narcissism are the same mental illness. The cure for both is The Bible, which is why the narcissistic atheists hate Christianity so vehemently

>>15901737
How come retards think they can make an argument without making an argument?

>>15901737
>durr they must be a narcissistic if they debunked my beliefs using quotes from my holy book.

>>15904033
So the cure for narcissism is to indulge in some silly mythology that claims all of reality was made just for you?

>>15901688
>Is there any proof that dinosaurs are real?
There is proof, but to what level do you demand evidence to satisfy you?
I go to dinosaur trakway locations very regularly, I really enjoy looking at the dinosaur footprints.

>>15901688
Also, your image is full of falsehoods.

There are many near-complete large dinosaur skeletons, and there are indeed complete small dinosaur skeletons.

The chinese have been finding dinossaur fossil bines for millenia, thatshow the dragon lore in zChina came to be. They even used to grind the dinosaur fossil bones (lol) for medicinal purpose.

The assembled dinosaur skeletons can real fossil bones, casts from actual bones, or 3d printed replicas, or a combination of all those.

Obviously, if you actually want to see a dinosaur dig, then you have to go yourself to an actual dig. You can volunteer at museums, or you can go and study paleontology yourself.

Here in Portugal, there is an area so rich in dinosaur bones (Lourinhã formation, look it up) that you can literally walk along the sea cliffs and find dinosaur bones and dinosaur bone fragments.
It's so easy that fossil theft is starting to become a huge problem, with people raiding fossil finds with power tools to remove the bones and sell them on the black market.

Picture: some dinosaur trackway locations in central Portugal.

>>15901688
They're called dragons, not dinosaurs.

>>15901688
>Is there any proof that dinosaurs are real?
You mean, besides finding their fucking skeletons ????

>>15904569
oh wow he used the f word for emphasis, that means he must be serious!!!
watch out everyone, we got a real tough guy here

>>15905258
concession accepted

>>15901688
Yeah they live in Australia

>>15901688
belief in dinosaurs turns on the belief that paleontologists are honest and intelligent people. so its 50/50 that they're honest and 50/50 that they're intelligent, so only a 25% probability that dinos are real

>>15904153
>The chinese have been finding dinossaur fossil bines for millenia, thatshow the dragon lore in zChina came to be

Pure conjecture.

>>15904569

What "skeletons"? The objects supposedly found are stones, and the ones in museums are plaster.

>>15904569
i think OPs point is that only a special group of
government appointed paleontologists are allowed

to view the supposed real fossils

>>15905999
i like to believe that paleontologists are liars but dinos are still real.

>>15906033
>Pure conjecture.
suit yourself to ignorance then, be my guest.

>>15906037
please go volunteer for a paleontological dig if you are that skeptical, they will hire and train amateurs to help in the field.

all i know is
Dinosaurs need to exist NOW, and they need to be my friends

>>15906230
the anon is wrong, obviously, anyone can volunteer to be a dig assistant

>>15906671

Ignorance of...?

>>15901688
yep they were all invented as a hollywood hoax for the movie jurassic park i know because i was there

>>15906784
That which you said to be pure conjecture. It's your opinion vs. historians.
Doesn't really matter, anyways. If you need proof to the point where you have to see actual dinosaur bone fossils being dug out of the ground, with your own eyes, go volunteer for a paleontological dig. I'm sorry, but I, or anyone else in here, just cannot upload here a real paleontological dig site, those happen out there, where you should go see one.
Contact university professors, contact museums, but just go.

dinosaurs are fake and gay

fuck dinosaurs

>>15904033
zoomer christian larpers are the most narcissistic and arrogant posters on this website, absolutely the same as their fedora tipping predecessors

>>15906855
>projection

>>15906892
you're so full of yourself you can't realize the glaring holier than thou attitude of your post

>>15901688
birds are dinosaurs by definition of dinosaur, and birds are real so yes there's the evidence, a bird.

>>15907021
>birds are dinosaurs by definition of dinosaur
no they aren't
dinosaurs are extinct by definition

>>15906672
>>15906843

"Dig sites" are akin to reservations, i.e. fabricated to give the impression of a "objective" state preceding the fabrication.

I'm holding fossilised dinosaur bone in my hand right now. AMA.

>>15908090
what dino did it come from?

>>15908101
A sauropod. Not identifiable any more specifically than that.

>>15908109
dope. what kind of bone is it? tooth?

>>15908129
No, it's fragments of a verterbra. It was shattered into loads of pieces and so is pretty much worthless for either research or display; which is why I was able to take some home.

>>15907021
Birds are descended from dinosaurs, but not dinosaurs due to anatomical differences. It's like how you and fish are both vertebrates, but you are not a fish.

>>15901688
99% grift

like, there are dinosaur fossils that are found. sometimes there are enough left to get a vague idea of the beast's body parts. other times there are entire fossils for some of the smaller ones.

but the dinosaur industry takes these small trace remnants and runs wild with it, imagining giant dragon-like monsters that must be the source of the bone pieces, then filling in the rest of the bones with plaster casts loosely based on cool animals like birds and crocodiles.

It originates in the victorian era with a bunch of rich 19th century european bullshitters who just made up whatever absurd theories sounded good from a limited set of facts, while most of the 'science' these assholes came up with was thoroughly debunked there was way too much money in the dinosaur industry to ever challenge its claims (not to mention emotional attachment, imagine explaining to the average american that the giant lizards they had toys of growing up were actually make believe just like the avengers, you'd be ridiculously unpopular someone would probably shoot you)

Then, you have retards like the dudes in this thread trying to troll by pretending to be christians and denying the fossils exist at all because it's not in the bible; which is so obviously retarded it pushes people back to blindly accept the grift

in recent decades a few brave souls have questioned the farce and pointed out that actually the fossils probably are just from large birds, they've been quickly booed offstage and hollywood covered up the damage with more CGI dinosaur movies that now have a couple feathers on the giant imaginary dragon lizard monsters

Absolutely autistic

>>15901688
I'm pretty sure some dino skulls are real therefore dinos are (were) real too.

>>15906037
>plaster
Plenty of real dinosaur fossils are on display in museums.
Oftentimes a skeleton on display will be a mix of the real fossils and artificial replacements, because it was an incomplete specimen, but they are upfront about what %s of it are real and fake

>>15908248
>the dinosaurs all died at once
>except the ones that had time to evolve into turkeys
>and crocodiles
Bogus.

>>15901688
Except plenty of ancient accounts regarding items such as the nichoria bone or Herotodus’s discussions of uncovering and displaying giant bones.

>>15908553
Dinosaurs died at the end of the Cretaceous.
The first birds emerged in the Jurassic, a long time before that.
Crocodiles didn't evolve from dinosaurs, their last common ancestor was before there were any proper dinos

dinosaurs were cold blooded, birds are not, therefore birds are not dinosaurs

>>15907805
Please go. Why are you pestering us here with your stubborn incredulity if only witnessing it with your eyes will convince you?
Just GO, I'm literally writing here for you to go and see it with your own eyes.

>>15908155
Pretty cool!
I have a dinossaur footprint here at home, I actually brought the rock block home, it was a back-breaking, but I did it.
Picture sort of related, but not the one I have at home.

>>15909106
>dinosaurs were cold blooded
citation needed

>>15908248

>sometimes there are enough left to get a vague idea of the beast's body parts
Sometimes complete small dinosaur skeletons are found. Rarely, even large near-complete dinossaur skeletons are found.

> based on cool animals like birds and crocodiles.
No, based on other skeletons of the same species that had those parts preserved, or based on closely-related and very similar species. Imagine for example, that you find the near-complete skeleton of a type of dinosaur and its rear legs are missing. It's a plausible assumption to illustrate the missing parts RESEMBLING the parts of a closely-related dinosaur that we already know of.
None of this is hidden, it is EXPLICITLY published for you to read, and everyone knows that they are just illustrative reconstructions. OBVIOUSLY, no one knows for sure what the real parts looked like if they are never found!

>imagine explaining to the average american that the giant lizards they had toys of growing up were actually make believe
They have. Many past hypotethises and assumptions about dinossaurs did not stand up to the test of novel discoveries. What you described has literally happend many, many times, from their posture, locomotion, their metabolism, their growth rates, to their feeding, to their netsing, to their skin covering, everything has much advanced since the first days of dinosaur paleontology that you described.

>>15908248
>the dinosaur industry

>>15909168
>go to a reservation and experience "nature" as it was fabricated to "resemble" what it was like "before"

Yes, this is part of the grift.

>>15909106
>dinosaurs were cold blooded, birds are not
Late-cretaceous theropods were more like toothed birds than upright lizards, so that's not the right way to think about dinosaurs. In fact, dinosaurs are evolutionarily closed to birds than to reptiles.
They were most likely warm-blooded, but we're not sure yet, though some evidence points to that conclusion.
Photo: a COMPLETE skeleton specimen of a feathered dinosaur, sinosauropteryx

>>15909186
>anons complaining about no evidence
>don't want to go see the evidence
Well then...

>>15909194

The "evidence" is fabricated.

>>15909191
>it's even called "chinesesomething"

They're laughing at you.

>>15909239
>>15909242
Oh just STFU already

>>15909252
>d00d did u see teh new chingchangosaurino?!?
>of course china openly produces fossils as commodities
>of course the epek dRAGON BONERINOS are a chinese story hmmm come 2 think of it juts like their whole history umm LOL
>of course china produced almost all feathered dinosaurinos right when the taxonomy of birds was getting embarrassing
>of course the BONE WARZ!111 produced all fossils right when the theories they are integral to were mandated
>of course cope and marsh produced mostly forgeries even by mainstream admission LOL
>but umm dinosaurs r rela guyz

>>15901688
What makes it a hoax? Why is the existence of dinosaurs such a problem?

>>15909264
This is a place for grown-ups, child.

>>15909288

More like a place for made-ups.

>>15909269
Teenage trolls, pay no attention.

>>15901688
A 10 second Google search for "when were dinosaurs first discovered" completely discredited picrelated

>>15909290
bagingo B)

For me, only applied engineering is real.
Assuming anything else is complete bullshit until thoroughly proven otherwise is the only non-goylem, human attitude available.

Don't forget to vaccinate, by the way.

>>15901707
This is fallacious from the start. Christians place a high value on humility, that's not the same as claiming to be humble - which would not be humble anyway. I have no fear of dying. Only pain associated with dying is scary, and that is temporary. What's the point of fearing the inevitable? It wouldn't be anymore logical for a Christian than an atheist. The true issue here is you cannot imagine reasons outside of your accepted framework for belief, so you try and modify the image of a Christian to fit what would make sense to you.

>>15901737
That's a question for the ages! The hordes of unread, uncultured atheists who think they can add all-knowing to their resumes is beyond counting.

I thought this thread was about dinossaurs, now it's about christianity and atheists?
Wtf people, can't you just talk about the thread topic, dinosaur paleontology?

>>15904033
>atheism and narcissism are the same mental illness.
Ernest Jones, in 1913, was the first to construe extreme narcissism, which he called the "God-complex", as a character flaw. He described people with God-complex as being aloof, self-important, overconfident, auto-erotic, inaccessible, self-admiring, and exhibitionistic, with fantasies of omnipotence and omniscience. He observed that these people had a high need for uniqueness.

>>15905258

Dinofuckingsaurs are rad.

>>15911183
thats just a plaster model of something that was invented for a hollywood movie, nothing like that ever lived on this planet

>>15911217
No, it's not. You can go verify for yourself.

>>15911484

It's common knowledge that those museum exhibits are made of plaster.

The absolute fucking state of this board, good god.
>Thing is faked propaganda invented by space lizard jews over millennia to keep me addicted to blacked porn because I don't believe it.
>Gorriliion replies

>>15911738
>It's common knowledge
Is it common knowledge or is it a conspiracy, anon?

>>15911874

Common knowledge. Look it up.

>>15911890
I don't have to, thanks, I've beeing studying and doing paleontology for decades.

>>15911484
>You can go verify for yourself.
you haven't done that

>>15909168
>random pattern in rock
how convincing

>>15908175
>but you are not a fish.
Proof?

ITT: ignorant people who want to remain ignorant

>>15912974
>i know dinosaurs are real!!
>i saw it on the bill nye tv show when i was 9 years old!!

>>15913323
Something about stability and taking a fall.

I don't know if I take the Christian conspiracy angle on them being fake. But I do believe they were invented by competing 19th century grifters who were constantly trying to one-up each other. And they stopped caring about accuracy/reality a bit. There are videos on bitchute about this. Seems like they find a few bones then imagine the rest lol. But I am not sure if they are doing it for some elaborate long term plans or were just hungry for the fame and fortune.

>>15904569
>finding their fucking skeletons
Look into exactly this and you may be unpleasantly surprised. Look up Bone Wars.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bone_Wars

The Bone Wars, also known as the Great Dinosaur Rush,[1] was a period of intense and ruthlessly competitive fossil hunting and discovery during the Gilded Age of American history, marked by a heated rivalry between Edward Drinker Cope (of the Academy of Natural Sciences of Philadelphia) and Othniel Charles Marsh (of the Peabody Museum of Natural History at Yale). Each of the two paleontologists used underhanded methods to try to outdo the other in the field, resorting to bribery, theft, and the destruction of bones. Each scientist also sought to ruin his rival's reputation and cut off his funding, using attacks in scientific publications.

Easy to see the potential for fraud here, imho. It almost at the level of competing carnival attractions or something lol.

>>15911874
Unfortunately, it is true. Look into how much they "reconstruct" too.

>>15913495
Despite their advances, the Bone Wars also had a negative effect not only on the two scientists but also on their peers and the entire field.[79] The public animosity between Cope and Marsh harmed the reputation of American paleontology in Europe for decades. Furthermore, the reported use of dynamite and sabotage by employees of both men may have harmed fossil remains,[4] though later excavation suggests that some of the damage was exaggerated in order to dissuade competition.[80] Joseph Leidy abandoned his more methodical excavations in the West, finding he could not keep up with Cope's and Marsh's reckless searching for bones.[4] Leidy also grew tired of the constant squabbling between the two men, with the result that his withdrawal from the field marginalized his own legacy; after his death, Osborn found not a single mention of the man in either of the rivals' works.[81] In their haste to outdo each other, Cope and Marsh haphazardly assembled the bones of their own discoveries. Their descriptions of new species, based on their reconstructions, led to confusion and misconceptions that lasted for decades after their deaths.[82]

Also wiki says one of them was single handedly responsible for the discovery of 56 species, but the other had 80. C'mon lol. That outpaces any other scientific field in existence. Scam.

>>15913495
>It at the level of competing carnival attractions
thats how you know its fake

>>15913430
>There are videos on bitchute about this.
pretty suspicious how youtube banned the content

>>15901688
Not related with what you are asking, but if I was religious and believed in the Bible I would 100% think that God put the fossils to create doubt and test us.