/sci/ - Science & Math

It's not that easy in spaceflight

>>15902633
is this some elaborate bondage suit?

Hubble glitch renews talk about private servicing mission
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https://spacenews.com/hubble-glitch-renews-talk-about-private-servicing-mission/
> WASHINGTON — A problem with the Hubble Space Telescope has renewed discussion about whether and how NASA might approve a private mission to reboost and potentially repair the spacecraft.
> NASA announced Nov. 29 that Hubble was in a safe mode because of a problem with one of its three operational gyroscopes. That gyro first triggered a safe mode Nov. 19 when it provided what NASA described as faulty readings. Spacecraft controllers restored operations of Hubble, only to see problems again Nov. 21 and 23.
> The agency said in the statement that engineers were studying the problem and did not estimate when science operations would resume. Hubble can operate with just a single gyro, although with some loss of productivity, such as the inability to perform some solar system observations.
> Hubble has six gyros, which were installed on the fifth and final shuttle servicing mission in 2009. Three of the six have since malfunctioned.
> The news of this latest, temporary problem with Hubble prompted a response from Jared Isaacman, the billionaire backing the Polaris program of SpaceX private astronaut missions. “Put us in coach,” he posted on social media.
> That was a reference to a study announced in September 2022 involving Isaacman, SpaceX and NASA to study the feasibility of a private mission to reboost and possibly repair Hubble using SpaceX’s Crew Dragon. At the time Isaacman suggested that a Hubble mission could be the second of three planned Polaris missions.

First for the solar conjunction is OVER

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smK5oLyrg-I

>>15902644
https://twitter.com/rookisaacman/status/1730011813658653042
> Isaacman, in other social media posts, suggested the study concluded a reboost and servicing mission was feasible: “this should be an easy risk/reward decision.” However, he did not disclose details about how the mission would be conducted.
> SpaceX is also not the only option for servicing Hubble. NASA issued a request for information last December seeking concepts for commercial missions to reboost Hubble. NASA said it would not fund such a mission, instead offering it as an opportunity for companies to demonstrate their satellite servicing capabilities.
> The agency received eight responses, including one from satellite servicing company Astroscale in partnership with in-space transportation company Momentus. NASA said at the time it was evaluating them, but gave no timeline for completing that review.
> “Part of that review means looking at the capabilities of the Hubble Space Telescope itself and how this would work in concert with the telescope, and make sure the telescope itself remains safe during the process,” Mark Clampin, director of NASA’s astrophysics division, said of the review of those servicing proposals during a NASA science town hall meeting July 27.

How dare he?

>>15902650
> Industry officials have privately said they believe that a reboost mission of some kind, involving either Crew Dragon or a robotic spacecraft, is feasible with current capabilities. Doing so would help extend Hubble’s life by counteracting a gradual decay in its orbit from atmospheric drag.
>There is more skepticism, though, about the ability to repair Hubble given the complexity of such work. Dragon lacks capabilities like an airlock and robotic arm for servicing, while robotic systems have yet to demonstrate the ability to perform advanced repairs in orbit.
>There is also the issue of cost. While NASA said a reboost mission would be done on a no-exchange-of-funds basis, a servicing mission likely would have some cost to NASA, industry experts said, such as hardware needed to carry out the repairs and time from NASA engineers to support that work.
>That comes as the agency’s science divisions prepare for potential significant budget cuts. That includes, Clampin said at an advisory committee meeting Oct. 13, considering a cut in the operating budget for Hubble in fiscal year 2024 by an unspecified amount.

>>15902652
the picture should have Starship instead of SLS, because the video was really about criticizing the unknown complexity of Starship and the number of propellant flights
basically something that a BO representative could have written lmao

The Chinese will have an easily serviceable Hubble-tier telescope co-orbiting with their station soon. So, I'm okay if Hubble's mission is finally over.

>>15902655
He also criticizes SLS / Orion for not having the delta-v to get into low lunar orbit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mMCyiZKm9g
> SpaceX is Building the FIRST EVER GATEWAY TO MARS! - Starbase Weekly #91

Guys should I learn tricks to do quick mental maths and larp as a smart person?

>>15902661
I feel like we've discussed starship to death and /sfg/ should pause any starship talk for a while to let other spacecraft and missions have the spotlight.

>>15902661
>GATEWAY
Oh god not another

>>15902652
>Guy with Apollo nostalgia talks to people with Apollo nostalgia about not doing things enough like Apollo while pretending he’s saying something risky or controversial

>>15902668
Nobody is stopping you from posting about other topics.

>>15902668
>let other spacecraft and missions have the spotlight.
like what?
another falcon 9 launch?

>>15902668
ess el ess

>>15902652

>>15902677
his relationship with NASA will never be the same...

>>15902666
Learn division tables as well as times tables

>>15902633
since when are we putting - before edition

>>15902644
>Hubble has six gyros, which were installed on the fifth and final shuttle servicing mission in 2009. Three of the six have since malfunctioned.
Why do they keep failing and how many gyros does JWST have?

>>15902700
autists have been having fun fucking the OP in all sorts of creative ways and complaining when others do too

>>15902700
Why do you care? Why are you even scrolled up looking at the top of the thread?

>>15902647
I really love the part where Perseverance stared at the same patch of ground for 2 weeks to watch the wind blow sand grains around.

>>15902656
and it will have a much bigger FOV than Hubble. Speaking of FOV, what are Euclid and LSST doing?

>>15902700
I've been doing that for forever

>>15902716
There's no wind on Mars, idiot.

Is this like speculative future concept art?
I love that kind of stuff post more or link to more.
Usually I just look at speculative alien worlds, but I like this idea of the macabre future of human space exploration.
This one is especially more grounded and realistic than most speculative alien world projects I look at.

>>15902733
no trolling outside of /b/

>>15902738
Can't remember their name but it's from a sci-fi artist on twitter.

>>15902700
anal autism - edition

>>15902741
Why are you announcing your report?

>>15902705
>>15902700
This

>>15902644
>Hubble has six gyros
And people say that Greece doesn't have a space program.

>>15902653
>>15902650
NASA should just abandon the reboost only idea and put out an call for an actual servicing mission. If it's too expensive to actually service it then the reboost is pointless. But if it can be done there is hardware that needs to be built first.

>>15902642
yes, economic bondage

>>15902701
HST uses gas-bearing gyroscopes, which are very sensitive but turned out to not be have wear issues. The rotor inside is spinning for years at 300 Hz.
JWST uses a totally different type. They don't have rotating parts or bearings. It has 6 and needs 2. Most spacecraft dont have these issues.

>>15902765
see
>>15902765

>>15902781
>They don't have rotating parts or bearings
how is this possible

>>15902744
>artist on twitter
too bad

>>15902804
Oldspace magic.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/279909300_The_Hemispherical_Resonator_Gyro_From_Wineglass_to_the_Planets

>>15902797
See >>15902765 kek

>>15902844
see>>15902797

>>15902826
These are just sensors right? They can't torque a satellite with these, or can they?
Why not use laser gyros?

>>15902860
That's consistent with NASA operating a gravy train instead of a Moon program, which would mean that ALL of NASA's communications suggesting a Moon program are inconsistent with the reality of what they're doing.

>>15902652
Should I watch the video for entertainment's sake? from what I hear he bought into oldspace/blorigon propaganda

>>15902881
It's not terribly entertaining.

>>15902881
its not that "he bought into it", he lives in alabama, is friends with people who work with SLS and is literally a MIC contractor if I'm not mistaken
I wouldn't be surprised if he works for a SLS subcontractor or something but I'm too lazy to find out
always found his videos way too long and wordy

>>15902881
you'd think a youtuber would be better at public speaking but he's not. he rambles a lot and his points aren't very good.

>>15902652
I expected better from Destin. Too bad NASA will win either way, even if HLS turns out to be a resounding success.

>>15902901
arent his videos full of jump cuts?

>>15902906
I think what Destin really wants is a mini Starship

>>15902738
https://twitter.com/WhaleOil2/status/1731055864901939591/photo/1

>>15902906
It's possible that SpaceX dunks on them massively by doing an independent Moon or Mars mission shortly afterward

>>15902937
would be funny for them to do it before if SLS gets delayed by something else
I wonder if that would even be possible from a regulatory standpoint

>>15902906
This was the moment when Denis lost all credibility for me. How come he did all this research but somehow missed that Artemis isn't exactly a copy of Apollo? It's not another touch&go mission, the goal is to stay and build infrastructure. It's said in the "We are going" video he mentioned and Starship HLS is great for that purpose.

https://youtu.be/vl6jn-DdafM

>>15902937
Sorry ,SpaceX requires explicit permit to land on the moon by the FAA and exective branch. Biden must sig n off

>>15902960
>Biden must sig n off
the old man is so senile that he probably sold the entire solar system to elon at the reasonable price of 1 dollar.

>>15902963
kamala is the space czar or something, bit she has been skipping the national space council meetings lately

>spaceX engineers fear this.

>>15903002
Get your filthy membrane out of this thread.

>>15903002
>rubber diaphragm at cryo temps

>>15903025
Frogs won btw

>>15903026
false

>>15903026
It's actually very Clear who the winner is

>>15902677
needs SRBs

>>15901952
Cloud city has free gravity and atmosphere (shitty atmosphere but useful), and quick access to ores using balloon probes.
Space station is always very exposed, and getting to and from the surface for mining always requires a substantial rocket. Cloud city just floats along lazily.

>>15902826
Ah sorry I thought we were talking about the flywheels.

Cloud cities are for midwits

>>15903026

I wonder what the data buffer capacity is of the various mars-orbiting spacecraft. The ground rovers can't really do a lot of science activity during solar conjunction if it's necessary to immediately transmit the data/pictures all the way home.

>>15902960
Biden will be term-limited out before Artemis 3 is ready.

You guys do realize Dragonfly will literally SNORT / SNIFF Titan right??? First a drill mounted on the skid pulverizes an amount of Titan and then the powder is pneumatically sucked into Dragonfly where it gets absorbed by a mass spectrometer

>>15903057
Fuck off kikeshill DRAGONFLY DOESNT GO TO THE LAKES THEREFORE IT SHOULDNT BE FUNDED END OF STORY

>>15903061
nice one oldspace shill. Bet you'd like the funding to go to your Lunar Gayway station. Dragonfly is the best NASA mission since the first probe landed on Mars.

>>15903049
lmao nice

>27 minutes since last post

>>15903052
you think kamala harris will be better for spacex?

>2 weeks of no RGV flyovers
it's ogre

>1968 December 12 - Kamanin catalogues the reasons the Soviet Union is losing the moon race
>Fighting between the VVS and its 'enemies' (Ustinov etc.)
>No single state organisation is responsible for civilian spaceflight.
>Various entities are responsible for various aspects of military spaceflight (RSVN, VMF, General Staff, VVS). Kamanin notes that the state has poured 10 billion roubles into the N1 without visible effect. He believes reusable systems are needed to reduce the cost of spaceflight. The death of General Biryuzov in a plane crash meant that the Soviet Union lost a strong supporter of a robust military space program.
>Kamanin believes the VVS should be in charge of piloted spacecraft, not the RVSN.
>Furthermore the entire design approach to manned spacecraft is incorrect -- what is needed is piloted spacecraft, not cosmonauts flying as passengers in automated spacecraft. The result of the automated philosophy was that the Soyuz was not man-rated until 1968. While the qualification process was going on, the American Gemini flew ten times. The Apollo-Saturn V has flown twice, while the L3 was still just a mock-up. In effect, the Soviet Union gave the Americans a two to three year lead, allowing them to beat the Russians.

>watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoJsPvmFixU
>he's completely wrong on all of his major points about artemis
>people are eating it up
lmfao

>>15903164
>In effect, the Soviet Union gave the Americans a two to three year lead, allowing them to beat the Russians.
America had a lead because the Soviets were always planning for a lunar mission around 1975 and just assumed that all that "before the decade is out" talk was just political posturing. They didn't understand the error until Q1 1965 and by that point there was no amount of money they could dump into the N1 to make it go faster.

>>15903057
>pneumatically
Actually this term is only correct on Earth. On Titan the correct term is "Titanomatically"

>>15903043
Wrong again
1) gravity
2) resources
3) effectively stationary relative to the surface of interest
Better than whizzing around at orbital speed and further spinning yourself in a tube to simulate gravity
From orbit all you can do is look at the planet from afar and receive occasional resource packages, probably from Cloud City.

Interesting

https://x.com/eip_apa/status/1731454438483603704?s=20

>>15903230
I don't know what it is either. hope this helps

>>15903230
Starlink

>>15903227
venus has some vater vapor but not sure if there is enough to sustain fuel production

>>15903230
>>/x/

>>15903183
These are AI generated accounts and replies. There's zero substance or thought behind a single one.

>>15903230
>norway
its russian

>>15903237
>retarded newfag cant even link boards right
its >>>/x/ btw, lurk moar

>>15902655
>the video was really about criticizing the unknown complexity of Starship

I don't think you actually watched the video.

>>15903308
I watched like 15min and then built a picture of the rest based on comments, he was talking about his grandfather and random ass bullshit

>>15902650
Why not just build a new telescope to replace it. Build it with starship in mind and then it could be much larger and heavier and by the time it’s ready, starship will probably be flying regular trips to orbit.

Or is everyone going to shoot that idea down by saying the price of some new hypothetical telescope would be insanely expensive and take like 15 years more than it should to be built?

>>15903145
she will choose the first black nasa administrator, long overdue

>>15903320
you could do both, let SpaceX and Isaacman do the repair mission for free to show capabilities

>>15903320
You still gotta do something with the old one. Raise its orbit now to preserve it so we can put it in the Lunar Museum of Oldspace once that exists.

unless atarahip has 100% effective boiloff mitigation then it's impossible to land on Mars.

>>15903339
ara araship?

>>15903323
black NASA administrators are real, you've seen them down at mishoe

>>15903365
Die

>>15903368
I've seen them down on the corner

>>15903443
shut the fuck up nigger, you may not like Charlie Bolden but he was, in fact, black

>>15903448
Yeah, I saw him down at the corner doing some kind of public relations event and shaking hands with members of the public. He told me it wasn't that easy.

>>15903138
sorry im doing factorio, ugh, i know... i should post more but im busy slaying xeno's and spewing pollution

>>15903236
>under 50ppm
At that point it's easier to mine ice out system and ship it in.

>>15903462
Shut up fagtoritard I bet you suck BBC daily

I've been reading and watching cybertruck stuff non-stop for 3 days now

>>15903472
Fuck off nobody cares about non spaceflight do the same for Starship test articles cock sucker

>>15903465
>mutt instantly thinks of sucking nigger dicks
my my anon what's gotten your panties in a twist today?

NASA updating policy for rideshare missions
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https://spacenews.com/nasa-updating-policy-for-rideshare-missions/
> WASHINGTON — NASA is developing an updated rideshare policy for science missions that reflects both new launch opportunities as well as challenges faced in accommodating secondary payloads.
> The policy dates back to 2018, when Thomas Zurbuchen, associate administrator for science, announced that the agency would use excess capacity on launches of science missions to carry smallsat secondary payloads. NASA established a rideshare office to coordinate those opportunities in 2020.
>That “very significant” update, she said, would include other rideshare opportunities. The original policy involved excess capacity on NASA science mission launches, but the new one will include the Venture-Class Acquisition of Dedicated and Rideshare (VADR) contract vehicle as well as other options, such as rideshare launches on NASA Artemis missions and from other government agencies
> Unique requirements for NASA science missions, even smallsat missions, can make it difficult to find adequate rideshare opportunities. “All of our missions are different. They have unique trajectories. They all have different science,” she said. That rules out the use of launches like SpaceX’s Transporter series, which launches spacecraft to sun-synchronous orbit, or its new Bandwagon line of mid-inclination rideshare launches.
> “Small missions may have to spend a little more money on mission assurance to take advantage of rideshare to ride along with the higher mission assurance launches,” she said. “It’s not free, but it’s still worth the cost of finding a launch.”

I didn't actually understand what the new policy would be? Getting dedicated launches instead of putting some payloads only as rideshares?

>>15903484
So you admit its true? As expected of BLACKED subscribers

>>15903495
its basically just fucking over spacex as usual because NASA REFUSES to use tugs

>>15903500
I'm surprised Momentus managed to fuck up their tug architecture. Did they ever announce a depot for water propellant?

>>15903483
It's used for hauling Raptors. Cybertruck (pbuh) is now on topic forever.

>>15903497
TND cannot come soon enough

>>15903507
who cares
https://twitter.com/lrocket/status/1731116733799526720
the real tug company is here now

>>15903518
let it be know that from here to forever /sfg/ is exclusively for discussing the toyota tundra pickup truck in all its forms and use cases

>>15902633
What a terrifying image

>>15903528
based

>>15902652
Utilizing the same chain of logic, in exchange for the risk, what new lessons are there to be gained by the engineers? None. It has all been fully formulated. It makes much more sense to wait for more prudent technological advancements on the horizon. Earthers continue to waste resources on dick measuring contests, yet again favoring publicity stunts over implementation of actual space infrastructure to begin space mining. Time to cut funding, no your boots do not need to be on lunar dust again so soon, this is exactly what the populace means when they say you're wasting their money, their blood. Immediately begin planning the harvesting of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16_Psyche

>>15903528
is a toyota tundra a spaceplane?

>>15902881
It's annoying because he's smart, he has good production and good ideas but his videos still suck somehow, he never stops going into useless tangents and doing sappy speeches.

>>15902955
The FAA would delay them to stop NASA from losing prestige, like they did with Starship and the SLS launch.

So what happens if this guy is proven right?

>>15903550
People will pretend that they didn't get embarrassed by an engineer and physishits will ignore it even while it becomes commercially successful.

>>15903550
Nobody cares.
>>15903532
>unironic shilling of asteroid mining
You have to go back.

>>15903554
>potentially unlocks cheap access to interplanetary space travel and opens the door to practical manned interstellar travel
>Nobody cares.

>>15903550
All the "hard soifi" with lovingly calculated propellant budgets gets thrown in the Jules Verne bucket, Astra declares bankruptcy as nobody will ever use ion propulsion for a new design, and lightweight spacecraft nuclear reactors become the one block between us and Alpha Centauri.

>>15903550
I would use it to fuck off out of this solar system

>>15903550
this guy is a chud!

https://twitter.com/memcculloch

>>15903562
And that's why he'll win. Any time the academy gets too conformist it needs to be humiliated by outsiders to provoke reform.

>>15903564
Bleed out

>>15903550
interstellar colonization becomes a possibility

>>15903562
Hello, Based Department calling. Will you accept the charges?

>>15902652
It was painful to watch. He had some good points but it really came out of the wrong mouth.

https://twitter.com/Erdayastronaut/status/1731502010908750135

> I absolutely love this talk by Destin (@smartereveryday
) and he's absolutely right! Overall, he made a well thought out case to simplify & ensure mission success for the Artemis program. That being said, I did want to write a few thoughts I have on some things. Thank you Destin for sharing this talk and allowing room for fun and important discussion, I look forward to everyone's comments below!

Everyday Astronaut wrote a novel about the Smarter Everyday video
its fucking long as fuck

>>15903550
does his drive allow for constant acceleration?

>>15903574
As long as you can provide power.

>>15903550
How would this change our understanding of physics and the universe as a whole if this smug motherfucker turns out to be right? Wouldn't it also give huge validation to decades of UFO/Nazi shit with the whole spinning a liquid really fast to levitate shit conspiracies?

>>15903578
so nuclear + bullshit drive = 1c?

>>15903583
14.88c actually

>>15903583
No, but arbitrarily close in principle, though you would have problems with hitting debris

>>15903587
What

>>15903588
so time to conquer the galaxy?

>>15903581
Sort of. A couple of the early experiments mentioned in Paul LaViolette's book and some of Woodward's work were suspiciously similar to QI but they all ended up focusing on ion wind or magnetic interactions. Nobody was ever able to reproduce the claimed effects in a vacuum chamber before QI-as-such experiments.

>>15903590
I believe this diagram may clarify it for you

>>15903592
Also time to redraw the starmaps if he's right about space not being bent and redshift not being proportional to distance.

>>15903598
i am pretty concerned about the entire universe essentially fucking off and leaving us stranded with no long term resources
is his model better in that regard?

>>15903588
wouldn't you still be limited by the energy density of nuclear fuel? if you wanted to get arbitrarily close to c you'd need a power source you weren't carrying with you and consuming as you did

>>15903600
Would this mess with parallax? The closest stars are still where we think they are if that's reliable.

>>15902652
His complete ignorance of HLS and Starship was fucking retarded. He talks that not knowing the number of launches is a miscommunication error when it's literally just an uncertainty. We don't know the exact numbers because Starship and the HLS as the architecture is constantly changing. Not because there's "miscommunication".

His entire point falls flat when he needs to flaunt his complete fucking ignorance to make it.

>>15903604
No, parallax is basic classical optics. QI posits that particles which can "see" less of the universe in an information-horizon sense have lower inertial mass, so it avoids "old light" model problems by asserting redshifted objects actually had different proton+electron inertial masses and thus longer emission wavelengths.

>>15903604
On wait, you're probably talking about galaxies and such. I think the gravitational interactions in the local group probably prove that it's still a thing. I'm sure if inertialess tech is mastered there's be some way of using it to prevent heat death anyways. No reason or anything just a gut feeling

>>15903545
no

>>15903609
>prevent heat death anyways
man i really hope someone figures it out eventually
i know its a long way off but i refuse to accept that everything will end

>>15903608
Wouldn't that result in varying particle mass over time? Seems fairly easy to test

>>15903613
You'd have to create mass out of energy to test that, which puts the c^2 on the wrong side of your lab budget.

>>15903562

>>15903596
>O'Neil cylinder with sonnenrads on the ends

>>15903622
The cross section of an O'Neill Cylinder with enough decks is already a sonnenrad if you have offset elevator shafts like skyscrapers do.

>>15903581
It would partially validate Hitler's suspicion of "judenphysicke" that's for sure. You MIGHT be able to rig up a Haunebu to hover very briefly using onboard gas/diesel generators if you arranged the current the right way, but the fuel economy would make an Me-262 look like a Prius and of course it wouldn't work in vacuum at all.

>>15903622
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1ZwZTgVmI4

It's all coming together

surely QI means far more than an intertialess thruster, it should enable all kinds of cool shit for us to play with.

>>15903638
If you can feed enough power back up through a slipring or Canfield Joint it becomes possible to extract enough force from Unruh Radiation to run a generator. With sufficiently low alpha power supplies you can go full on Star Wars where the distinction between ground vehicles, aircraft, and spacecraft gets a bit fuzzy.

>>15903646
At the risk of baseding out multipurpose space vehicles would be extremely cool. Go from your backyard to the (notional) seas of Proxima b in one vessel

>>15903655
Assuming it's got enough room for a years long journey and you weren't planning on seeing anyone back home ever again, sure. Relativity is still a killer. Backyard to Saturn is way more reasonable.

>>15903667
I guess. I was kind of assuming development to the point which relativistic travel could be achieved, so interstellar journeys with a cabin size of, say, an airliner were possible. And not seeing your friends ever again was always an occupational hazard of star travel, but then again you could just take some of them along.

KILL ME

>>15903667
>Relativity is still a killer
You have to be going at like 99% c in order to experience extreme time dilation. Even at like 90-95% c, the effects are minor; weeks to months, not decades to centuries.

How do you put windows on an inflatable habitat?

>>15903685
inflatable glass

>>15903685
I wouldn't

>>15903685
Do pic rel

Will a crew dreamchaser really be ready in 2026?

>>15903685
Don't need them, there's nothing out there worth looking at.

>>15902652
Holy shit I can't believe he'd do this.

>>15903581
It would also fit in well with the Flyby Anomaly where planetary rotation appears to do something odd to spacecraft.

>>15903574
No because that would mean free energy. There must be a catch.

>>15903236
You can make water from sulfuric acid.

>>15903581
dark matter gets explained away

>>15903714
It's not magic, it's manipulating inertia. The "push" is from gravity.

>>15903720
Yes but it means you can run your thruster at fixed power and accumulate unlimited kinetic energy. Then catch it in a receiver and get back all the power your spent plus more.
Try it yourself, you'll see. Constant power and constant accelerate leads to a catastrophe.
At the very least RKV vehicles will be trivial and we'll all be in a lot of trouble.

>>15903685
I like mr gigolo aerspace

>>15903728
thankfully we don't have to worry about these questions because it's not actually reactionless and only works because of earth's magnetic field.

>>15903705
HEIL VON BRAUN

>>15903734
>ok, it works but only because of the earth's magnetic field
You are here
>alright it really is reactionless but it's so underpowered as to be useless
>the FAA will never grant a licence for powerful reactionless drives

/sfg/ - Stupid Faggot General

>>15903762
Get ready for the cope storm when they launch that cubesat to the moon.

>>15903771
>actually its using the sun's magnetic field
Then when it leaves the solar system
>well actually it's using the galaxy's magnetic field so it doesn't count

>>15903773
We really gaan now.

All you retarded shills are about to get dumpstered.

>>15903762
You missed a few steps.

>it doesn't work
>it's only heating the air
>it's only ion wind
>it won't work in a vacuum chamber
You are here
>it won't work in orbit
>ok, it works but only because of the earth's magnetic field
>alright it really is reactionless but it's so underpowered as to be useless
>the FAA will never grant a licence for powerful reactionless drives
>space is racist

>>15903789
Saving this to update for next week.

>>15903789
>it won't work in a vacuum chamber
This was fake though

>>15903802
cope

>>15903630
Chozos win again.

>>15903550
literally whom and what did he do

>>15903807
Mike McCulloch, PhD, BaseD. He developed the Quantized Inertia theory of physics which is the basis of what you could call either a propellantless thruster or an inertial aether sail being tested on orbit thhis month.

>>15903807
Just another grifter preying on schizos, much like Jeff Greason

>>15903769

>>15903830
Silly Frog General

>>15903810
Any good youtube videos about QI?

>>15903835
All you need to know about it:

https://files.catbox.moe/j0uf3g.png

>>15903835
Not really, which I suspect is part of why it hasn't attracted the absolute galaxybrain /x/tards like the EMDrive did. There's McCulloch's writings, this paper which focused thruster development on capacitor pairs instead of photon loops or emdrive-style cavities, a bunch of discussions on Twitter, and a couple of interviews with IVO Space who built the test thruster.

>>15902881
that is not a realistic girl REEEE (saved anyway)

>>15903550
significant short term games in spaceflight, significant long term losses in mastery of the universe

>>15902955
manned? eh, nah. Even with contracts where the would be tourist sign stating they accept all risks associated with the flight you would still get EDSers frothing at the mouth to sue SX to oblivion. Specially if the flights fail. Starting with the DoJ

unmanned sending robusts probes and shit? hell yeah

>>15903236
too bad venus is unrepairable without something like a type 2 civilization that can change the rotation of planets. At which point you might as well fuck off to some other star system to terraforming candidates that already have a functioning magnetosphere.

It was so close to being a earth like until it got fucked up in the planetary crib

>>15903810
is this another LK-99 situation?

Any update on the F&S thruster?

>>15903850
>significant long term losses in mastery of the universe
???

Unironically what the fuck is happening with Elon? Is he retarded? Or are people just trying to make him look bad?

>>15903861
it means physicists have been wrong since the 1930s and the entire discipline needs to be demolished and rebuilt.

>>15903859
No, it actually works well enough in vacuum chambers that they're testing it on orbit. DARPA has thrown money at it too, unlike most propellantless thruster related projects.

>>15903864
Putting physics in good company with many other branches of science poisoned since the 1930s for (((some reason))).

>>15903862
Please, we are a senegalese beer rocket forum

>>15903862
He got buck broken by the kikes.

>>15903864
Revealing perceived mastery to be fake mastery isn't a loss. Semantics though.

>>15903862
genuinely retarded but also refuses to pay a PR company or marketing firm to give him a better public image

>>15903862
People are fed too much propaganda. Musk is calling it out.

>>15903881
It could be construed as a loss by people whose sinecures rely on their bogus research.

>>15903886
On the plus side it means we can redirect the relativistic particle beam budget from boson hunting to anti-satellite defense.

Dios mio....
La creatura de NASA...

Fucking hell, feels like you guys are more motivated by hatred for established scientists than by excitement about the new theory. I understand we're anti science now but this just feels needlessly vitriolic

>>15903894
>(((established scientists)))

>>15903894
Why should I have to love bad science? We all know they're holding back progress.

I hecking love science!

>>15903894
Magic>Science

>>15903705
based

>>15903894
Holy shit kill yourself hes a fraud and his theory has been indisputably disproven false. Stop shilling him and any other fakes like that LK-99 shit from months back. Bring an ACTUAL discovery infront of me with good scientific backing behind it instead of pseudoscience and then we can celebrate and praise it instead of sucking this faggot off endlessly in the general just to have his faggot ideas eternally BTFO then you move to the next scientist you want to latch on to.

>>15903909
I'm sorry, who's experiment has been launched into space and is currently orbiting planet Earth? Checkmate child diddler.

>>15903911
>random pedophilia accusations
someone should check your hard drive

>>15903912
I literally have terabytes of nothing but sneed memes. You on the other hand....

>>15903909
Saving this for next week's thread.

>>15903909
How long has it been since we had something really interesting that wasn't a fraud tho?

>>15903916
We had full motor ignition on starship just last week.

>>15903918
I'm talking about scientific discoveries, not engineering achievements.

>>15903916
What about the time Perseverance discovered some more rocks?

>>15903909
He's not a fraud, he's a schizo.
See? >>15903550
classic schizo-face
All electrical engineers end up this way, some sooner than others.

>>15903920
>he wants scientific discoveries in spaceflight general
go back to the /sci/ catty

>>15903924
Any traces or remnants of life in them

>>15903927
The Flat Earth board doesn't seem like the best place to talk about scientific discoveries.

What's the difference between/sci/ and /x/? One is Fat, the other is Trans-fat

>>15902772
Unless I'm missing something, Hubble still has three functional gyros and can still operate, though in a reduced capacity, as long as it still has one gyro. Maybe the thing to do is to keep boosting it until it's down to its last gyro, at which point it should be flamed down into the ocean. And if Dragon, Starship, or some other craft gains the ability to do servicing missions before Hubble is down to its last gyro, then consider servicing it. Ditching it now while it still has some life left in it doesn't seem to have a good reason.

>>15903931
>Any traces or remnants of life in them
Not possible to tell with current sensors but there are signs of water having been there in the past.

>>15903940
>signs of water having been there in the past
That's cool but didn't we already know this from erosion patterns?

>Not possible to tell with current sensors
Are they planning on bringing sensors that could tell anytime soon?

>>15903931
>The Flat Earth board doesn't seem like the best place to talk about scientific discoveries.
excuse me, /sci/ is the home of flat earth and IQ breads tyvm

Im baiting on /pol/ right now, any recommendations how I can piss off specifically the flerf truthers on that board?

>>15903956
Stay there

>>15903230
there were two unannounced launches today, I wonder if it is either of these?

1. Long March 2C at 4:00 UTC
2. new Korean solid fuel launcher at 5:00 UTC

>>15903956
Talk about China's space program.

>>15903956
You can't because they are paid operatives. They never actually talk to you except to dissemble.
You could mention Hitler being fully on board with the globe paradigm.

>>15903956
Point out how flerf is a torah (Jew) theory, wheres Glerf is a Greek (White) theory.

>>15903956
What the other anon said but add religion baiting to the mix, use Eratosthenes and other White pagans knowing the truth about globe vs 1000 years of judeo-christian dark ages of talmudic flat Earth.

>>15903956
>>15903975
>>15903978
>>15903980
>>15903983
Kill yourselves

>>15904008
Shalom, moshe

>>15904017
Did you know that in NASA, "Gemini" is pronounced "Gay Man I"?

>>15903926
He's an oceanographer.

What did he mean by this?

>>15904045
the sun must be destroyed, or reduced

>>15903859
No, QI has been in the talks for a long while, and soon there will be a test in space to see if it actually works instead of it being just tape outgassing.

>Italian rocket maker Avio has lost two propellant tanks that were to be used for the final Vega flight in 2024. The company is currently exploring its options.
https://europeanspaceflight.com/the-case-of-the-missing-vega-avum-propellant-tanks/

>>15904063
Soon = next week probably. They're just waiting for the other experiments on the cubesat to be done.

>>15904079
>Two of the four tanks necessary to power the fourth stage of the final Vega flight disappeared several months ago, leaving Avio scrambling to find an alternate solution.
How the fuck can you manage to lose a propellant tank?

>>15904081
It's Italy. Someone had to look the other way while mobsters stole them.

>>15904079
But wait, it gets worse.
>Despite the futility of the search, the tanks were eventually found. This was, however, not the good news Avio had hoped for. The tanks are, unfortunately, not in a usable state. They had been crushed and were found alongside metal scraps in a landfill.
>At the moment, Avio does not have any way of acquiring new tanks for the mission, with all Vega production lines having been shut down. Avio is, as a result, exploring two options in an attempt to salvage the mission.

>>15904083
This.

>>15904083
tf is the mob going to do with propellant tanks??? Not exactly an easy item to fence.

>>15904084
What the fuck? How does that happen? Is this the aerospace equivalent of getting a horse head in your bed?

>>15904083
>tmw mobsters steal enough parts to build their own vega

>>15904045

>>15904090
Space is ripe for the taking, outside the reach of the Carabinieri

https://twitter.com/johnkrausphotos/status/1731525974531928483

Proper response to the old space shill talk.

https://vocaroo.com/1fhda1R7Acr1

Also AI voiced

>>15904108
And if QI thrusters work you can even have space getaway cars for space crime without being propellant constrained.

>>15904091
It's possible someone mislabeled good tanks as bad and the trash removal crew just followed the labels. I remember the Astra factory had all sorts of half finished tanks sitting around.

>>15904117
Why are Dodd and him pissing themselves over this?
Are they such Starship superfans that they can't handle anyone having a different view without doing a lengthy retort in a faggy tone?

>>15904079
Holy shit I read this headline two hours ago and just assumed “lost” meant the manufacturer went out of business or something—not that the tanks are literally MIA kek

>>15904146
>different view

Dude is a literal oldspace sub sub sub sub contractor employee shilling boomer trash.

>>15904079
It's like some random headline from a movie, and it turns out some guy is building a rocket in his backyard.

>>15904079
Reminder that the Avum CEO compared Vega to a Ferrari and Falcon 9 to a Tata

>>15904146
It's not a different viewpoint.
He's a literal shill on MIC payroll spewing propaganda while pretending to be a concerned neutral party.

>>15904171
??? one is a low volume handcrafted Italian luxury, and the other is a mass produced shitbox made by Indians. It's the most apt comparison.

>>15904177
ok retard

>>15904171
Oh yeah lol, that was a good berger article

>>15904181
Link to it or remember the headline?

>>15904187
It’s such a long article but it’s arguably Berger at his best.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/07/as-the-spacex-steamroller-surges-european-rocket-industry-vows-to-resist/

>>15902652
I watched the whole thing. What in the actual fuck was he thinking here? This was beyond embarrassing. Completely clueless of HLS, startd to push fucking Apollo era nostalgia as if it should be applied to artemis while completely ignoring the entire context of it (it being basically a risky stunt that had infinite money backing it) and goes on about simplicity and fucking hypergolics. Yeah, good luck building sustainable lunar infrastructure with a hypergolic 4m^3 tin can lmfao.

There's little difference between him standing there lecturing industry leaders and one of our residential psuedos (like me) doing it.

>>15904198
its kind of sad because i have enjoyed plenty of his other videos
guy really should have studied harder for this

>>15904198
Yeah, should have stayed in his own lane instead of talking about something he has little understanding of just because he got an opportunity to run his mouth.

>>15904198
>and goes on about simplicity and fucking hypergolics
Dustin is a GlushkoCHAD???

Bros I am under the influence of Ketamien right now,. JUst like Elon Musk

>>15904205
Even glushko came to his senses at the end of his life

>>15903685
JUST TRUST ME. YOU'RE REALLY IN SPACE, OKAY?!

>>15904243
If they could build something that replicates indefinite weightlessness on earth that would be even more impressive than going to space.

>>15904259
the inflatable space habitat rotates on the end of a tether
it's a perfect facsimile of being stuck in a balloon on Earth

>>15904262
I'm sorry but you don't understand basic physics.

>>15904263
You can simulate higher gravity by centrifuge. Just spin in the opposite direction and you get lower gravity.
Easy.

>>15904177
More like handcrafted shitbox vs mass produced supervehicle
Ferrari vs Model S

>>15904235
How do you feel

>>15904263
please explain how it's not possible to spin something to approximate 1G

>>15903685
ever hear of this thing called GLASS BLOWING?

>>15903685
inflooootables are such trash lmao

>>15904305
Like shit. At least Ket doesn't last long. I don't know what Elon sees in this horse tranquilizer.

>>15903036
I want to agree with you, but if we already have the orbital infrastructure in place(hypothetical) to build cloud cities, we also have the infrastructure to make large Venusian rockets.

>>15904365
Even according to the hit piece he micro doses it
I have never seen him show signs of intoxication except the tism stupor

>>15903890
Nasa had some cuties

>>15904365
It has a part that put horses to sleep and a part which is a sedative. The first part doesn't effect humans, you don't go to sleep. But it has a technically good effect.

>>15904366
Isn't Venus deltaV to take off from surface comically high due to the extreme atmosphere? Something like 25000km/s. A floating "station" to go from heavier than air propulsion to chemical rockets into space may be necessary

>>15903890
>SHANEEQUA
>VEREEN

>>15904373
Shut up, faggot. This is a Barkun thread.

>>15904369
I read he said usually microdoses except at parties where he takes large doses. Anyway I got nauseous and no trippy effects.

>>15904372
2STO lifting body? Accelerate to orbit once you clear the thick parts of the atmosphere.
Forgive my lack of knowledge, but a whole floating platform sounds exaggerated (but fuckin cool)
something like image related and then adapted for venusian flight. use 2 of them.
I do wonder how lifting bodies would fly in that thicc fuckin atmosphere.

>>15904388
microdoses for depression or something

>>15904388
>>15904393
He never said any of that publically.
He tweeted friends tolsd him it helped them with depression
journalists are as usual quoting anonymous sources familiar with the matter

The crushed Vega tanks were made by Lavochkin in Moscow

>>15904483
heh, made me chuckle a little bit.

>>15902633
fuck mars.
just drill then nuke the moon to create giant cavity in the crust

>>15904483
Lmao

>>15903495
This is probably codifying what they had to do for the rideshares that got bumped from Psyche. It was a novel idea at the time it was proposed (Artemis 1 beat them to launch).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ityqi_KVpEE
> SpaceX's Massive Overhaul at the Launch Site | Starbase Update

>>15904510
what the fuck is that

>>15904521
lol I think it's a starship tile neck gator. I bet they sell them on their store. does he hawk it at any point in the video?

>>15904390
both the lift and drag numbers would be insane haha

>>15904390
it's insane how much better the X-24 looks when viewed from the underside.

>>15904366
why does space film photography look this amazing but even today's digital just looks shit

>>15904536
for once a flat bottom is attractive

>>15904541
>blocks your path

>>15904372
What if we remove the atmosphere?

>>15904544
Get the ULA sniper

>>15904544
Don't post gore

>>15904537
film has really high resolution and some optical properties which give images a cooler aesthetic, the advantage of digital is you can take ten billion photos without needing a new roll. If I were an astronaut going to Jupiter or whatever I'd definitely have a space film camera in my carry on though

B10 got its HSR btw kek. Allot sooner than I thought.

>>15904552
The thing is though modern digital cameras have mostly caught up to film, but every time I see a photo taken in space it looks like it's been shot on a phone from 15 years ago. Do they just not think to take good cameras up there?

We are going
https://twitter.com/Int_Machines/status/1731683335682789443?t=dK9L1dxerX_8IGZmjacD9w&s=19

>>15904558
theyre not sending their best

>>15904557
For planetary probes it might really be a case of using older technology for reliability's sake. On the ISS, though, the film aesthetic helps round out the garishness of the whole thing. Earth orbit (sans the Earth itself) really is less picturesque than we might hope.

>>15904559
how so? looked like all white men to me

>>15904533
More or less what I expect. I wish I knew the calculations for shit like this. There's a few calculators online and it says a wing that's 50m2 (10 by 5) moving at 20meters/sec would generate a lift of 715000 Newtons at an angle of attack of 7degrees.
I don't know how to interpret newtons very well, but does this mean the wing generates 715 tons of lift force across its surface area at 20m/s?
or it can climb at 1m/s whilst carrying 715 tons?
(I didn't add drag to the calculations, but that would be a big factor as well.)
hmmm I like flying wings.

>>>15904536
come oooonnn, it looks fucking sweet from every angle.
>>15904537
There's a magic to film that digital can't quite capture.
Digital is cool too, but it takes a lot of work to give it soul.
>pic

>>15904544
shittle

*destroys your space station*

>>15904589
We all know the Russians drilled holes in their own module.

>>15904589
the ISS is a shitbox, but I would be sad to see it go.

>>15904570
>generates 715 tons of lift force across its surface area at 20m/s?
Almost. A newton is ~0.1 kgf, so that's only ~71 tons of lift
>or it can climb at 1m/s whilst carrying 715 tons?
Well, it means it can accelerate a mass of 715 tons by 1 m/s/s, but since gravity's acceleration (on Earth or Venus) is ~10x that, you can't really call it gliding, much less climbing, at that point.

>>15904570
>>I don't know how to interpret newtons very well
9.81N/kg is an acceleration of 1g.

>>15904589
why are female astronauts SO ugly.

China? Dude.....

>>15904617
contlol-c contlol-v

>>15904607
>>15904601
Thank you based anons.

>>15904617
Better to copy spaceX than to cope and pretend they don't exist.

>>15904613
lots of testosterone

>>15903871
>>15904063
There are much better ways to prove this works that doesn't involve launching into space away from the prying eyes of others. People were able to measure the gravitational forces between two metal blocks back in the 19th century. The fact that they went to orbit before publishing screams scam and not just another innocent confirmation biased mistake like the EM Drive.

>>15904652
They've already done vacuum chamber testing of the thruster. The main paper of how these capacitor plate thrusters work was published years ago. See >>15903840

>>15904613
?????????

>>15904687
Sex in zero G would be so easy, literally just manhandle her like she's a fleshlight.

Coomers WNGTS. Pathetic whelps, all of you.

>>15904697
Just imagine

IFT-3 will include an orbital propellant transfer demo.
https://twitter.com/genejm29/status/1731730664330801430?t=hQVWiuaw4vinc1d9hW5kRQ&s=19

>>15903963
>the chinese launch put sats into a 98 degree inclination
>the korean one was at 47 degrees inclination
which one is it

>>15904725
How

>>15904725
> - Lakeisha Hawkins - SpaceX has demonstrated lift off ablities on Starship. Blue Origin has delivered a mockup, completed the initial review, architecture completed.
> General Lyles: Saying that the term " Completed" on Starship is indeed italics but they need to work the anomaly they experienced. Lakeisha Hawkins - Yes they are hardware rich, our team is embedded in there investigation team
> Q: Richard Oberman - What are the "tall poles"? Hawkins - On Gateway, would point to the long term use of Gateway, and make sure we have our arms wrapped around autonomous ops, crew time will be short. Interoperability standards:
> Want to make sure our international partners are on the same page, we're just getting to the place where we're working though manufacturing in terms of tech development in work dating back to when the PPE was being developed for the asteroid capture mission.
> Lakeisha Hawkins On Spacesuit development, While we have a lot of history that has been out there on suits developed for LEO, would characterize this on normal part of development, don't think we can't work though challenegs
> On HLS - what's the assesment of the tech gap for Artemis III? A: Lakeisha Hawkins - Its a risk we're tracking and looking at partnership with STMD, and capitalizing on the agency expertise, investments are being made by the partners.
> Lakeisha Hawkins Would call the TRL level a mid-5 or 6 range on the cryo fluid management

>>15904731
take two tanks into orbit or fractional orbit and test it during the coast phase or in actual orbit

https://twitter.com/VickiCocks15/status/1731698430844518558

IFT-3 booster getting hot staging ring

https://twitter.com/LabPadre/status/1731712061128724856
> Booster 10 has been given its hot staging ring, which appears to be much the same as the last one. If it ain't broke don't fix it?

>>15904744
Only one tank

>>15904687
You think any of the girls had cute underwear?

>>15904725
https://twitter.com/SpcPlcyOnline/status/1731731958571429944

> Another interesting slide, re on-orbit servicing, says (lower right) that the Habitable Worlds Observatory (next after Roman Space Telescope) is being designed for instrument replacement out at Sun-Earth Lagrange Point 2 (where JWST is).
> Int discussion re challenges of developing cryo fluid mgmt and how NASA can't get data it needs from cmrcl partners bc of how contracts are made. NASA can't tell partner what data to collect and even if NASA can get it, can't share detailed designs w/community to validate models.
> NASA's John Dankanich uses example that getting ppl to the Moon is not a contract to deliver cryo fluid mgmt data NASA can validate. Applies to various types of contracts. NASA understood data rights wld be issue, but had to balance cost share w/benefits to community as a whole.

>>15904748
you can take stuff int the cargo space to test the mechanism, tanks that are independent of actual propellant tanks

>>15904742
> the TRL level a mid-5 or 6 range on the cryo fluid management

>>15904750
https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1731741102909038657

>>15904754
https://www.twi-global.com/technical-knowledge/faqs/technology-readiness-levels

>>15904754
Next launch will bring cryo transfer to TRL 7, two or three subsequent launches to hit TRL 8, a few more to hit TRL 9, should be ready by early 2025 ez

>>15904761
>QI thrusters are currently TRL 6, 7 if this demo flight works.

keep in mind SpaceX handles cryofluids all the time with no issue, so the real tech testing being done here is mating hookups (they do it on the ground where it's harder) and the pumping mechanism they picked (impeller, or maybe gas blowdown?). Minimal new and unknown shit happening.

>>15904754
>>15904765
>breaking physics is further along than moving some cold liquid around

>>15904725
Fucking bullshit kys your source is a literal who

>>15904775
yes

>>15903025
>imagine the smell

>>15904775
kek

Why We Should Settle Mars
--
https://quillette.com/2023/12/04/why-we-should-go-to-mars/
> A review of A City on Mars: Can We Settle Space, Should We Settle Space, and Have We Really Thought This Through? by Kelly Weinersmith and Zach Weinersmith, 448 pages, Penguin (November 2023).
> Now however, as privately-funded space activities have become a reality, deeper thought has become requisite to develop a compelling argument for aborting the nascent project of human expansion into the solar system. One thesis, propounded at book length by Professor of Religion and Science Mary Jane Rubenstein, is that humans should not go to other worlds because we would harm them. According to Rubenstein, even extraterrestrial rocks have rights, and their lives and liberties could be severely impacted by the arrival of human pioneers.
> While of great interest as an example of antihumanism taken to its logical conclusion, the problem with this thesis is that most people don’t care about the rights of rocks.
> Clearly, the anti-space cause needs stronger advocacy. Kelly and Zach Weinersmith’s book A City on Mars seems at first like a promising candidate.
>But the Weinersmiths’ central thesis is inherently contradictory. Human settlement of space is pointless and impossible, they argue, but we also need laws to stop it, lest humanity destroy itself fighting over the unprecedented bonanza that space has to offer.
> In the more enjoyable first half of the book, the authors ridicule a number of silly and/or morally repugnant arguments that have been advanced in favor of space exploration. These include the ideas that by settling space we will be able to move all heavy industry off Earth—thereby ending pollution—and that by going into space, we will create a way for some of humanity to survive after we destroy the Earth and kill off the rest.

>>15903885
he is not immune to propoganda (see: everything he has said about the russians or the ukraine war)

>>15904800
>In support of this, the Weinersmiths cite the high levels of radiation, extreme temperatures, and zero-gravity conditions of interplanetary space, as well as the abrasive dust and other hazards found on the surfaces of many planets. They discuss at length the many ways in which unprotected exposure to such conditions could kill. But they generally downplay or neglect to mention the fact that there are ways of overcoming those challenges—preferring instead to depict would-be space travelers in a variety of comically helpless predicaments.
> Like Deudney, the Weinersmiths also posit the idea that—despite their intrinsic worthlessness—the Moon, Mars, and asteroids are likely to become objects of contention between major terrestrial powers, thereby driving them towards Armageddon.
> There is a lot more legalese, but the basic message, as the Weinersmiths concisely explain, is “Translation: ‘No, you can’t exploit it. NO! NO SHENANIGANS JUST HANDS OFF!’” They endorse this treaty because “If you believe, as we do, that there’s no obvious economic case for Moon mining … then this new Moon Race is just a pointless escalation towards a crisis, possibly even a conflict.”
> This brings me to the most serious problem with this book. We do face a serious threat of war right now—but not from Martian invaders or because of disputes over mining rights on the Moon.
> While space assets have been used in conflicts dating back to Vietnam, the current war in Ukraine is the first in which space capabilities have played a decisive role. It is only though such advantages as superior space-based communications, reconnaissance, and GPS-guided munitions that the Ukrainians have been able to hold off Russian forces that outnumber them three to one.

>>15904802
lol, are you sure about the person affected by propaganda here?

>>15904806

>>15904725
This is SpaceX's tipping point contract. Starship's first ever payload will be 10 metric tons of liquid oxygen.
>SpaceX of Hawthorne, California, $53.2 million
>Large-scale flight demonstration to transfer 10 metric tons of cryogenic propellant, specifically liquid oxygen, between tanks on a Starship vehicle. SpaceX will collaborate with Glenn and Marshall.
https://www.nasa.gov/technology/2020-nasa-tipping-point-selections/

>>15904032
geh, muh knee (he has been shot by an arrow)

https://twitter.com/Liv_Boeree/status/1731724448221323618

>>15904810
Imagine the RUD kino

>>15904814
>wearing a cap indoors

>>15904814
Estronaut finally dropped any pretense of not being paid Elon shill.

>>15904800
>Rubenstein
Every FUCKING time.

>>15904725
Typical Musk behaviour. Fail to get the ship to orbit but dont slow down the rapid timeline and do the prop transfer mission anyway

>>15903550
When are the results going to be announced anyways?

>>15904841
two weeks

IT IS FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE THAT THEY WILL DO ORBITAL PROP TRANSFER IN IFT-3 SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON AT NASA THAT THIS GOT OUT

>>15904841
Got to keep the grift going as long as possible. Trust the plan QI sisters!

How are they going to test it anyways?
They aren't going to launch two starships this early, that just doesn't make sense.

>>15904827
meds

>>15904851
Thats the whole fucking thing its literally impossible right now so I think some moron at NASA wrote this meant for some other mission rather than IFT-3

>>15904837
it mostly worked, this makes sense

>>15904851
spray some lox out the side then slide over and scoop it back up

>>15904847
he can't keep getting away with it (mogging everyone else)

>>15904851
>>15904856
idk if you people are actually clinically retarded or just pretending, but you don't actually need to test a full tanker loading propellant from one to another to test a subsystem of the propellant transfer system

>>15904857
I guess apart from the sub nominal performance of the starship and then the rud

>>15904814
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_FqY7bastQ
> The Everyday Astronaut on Competition and the Space Industry | Win-Win with Liv Boeree

>>15904860
Explain

>>15904372
yeah the only place Rockoons make sense is on venus
if you squint really hard and are willfully retarded Sea Launch counts
>>15904807
yeah, we can collect the things he's said about that conflict and disassemble them if you want

>>15904810
nice find
that seems to have the lunar landing demonstrations for Astrobotic and Inuitive Machines

>>15904870

>>15904872

>>15904865
see >>15904810 >>15904872
though it should be obvious that you can take tanks up there and just test transfer from one to another
why is this somehow difficult to understand?

>>15904861
maybe this seems impossible/insane if you use thunderfoot as a source of your information, but the system mostly worked
staging worked, what superheavy does after that is irrelevant to Starship
Starship got most of the way to orbit but there was a propellant leak most likely which I guess is an easy fix
so all they have to do is fix the propellant leak and thats it, trying to test propellant transfer is not going to make the rest of the test any harder other than you have payload this time, but that doesn't matter

>>15904864
Who's the whore?

>>15904883
read the title retard

>>15904883
She'd rob you blind in texas holdem

>>15904867
give me the most egregious bad example you can think of and the source of it as well