/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15900010
this is the thread
first for fuck SLS

>>15900010
finally a good stage
i had this at the ready to stage myself incase nobody else did.
fuck krystalnigger and fuck furfags, this is what happens when you tolerate them for even a second.

Total Furfag Death

>>15900019
>>15900021
nobody has posted anything related to that stuff for ages, don't know why you're talking about it.

QI thrusters: in orbit
Blue Origin: not in orbit

>>15900045
this consistent thread splitting had started right before IFT-2 launched, and it was exactly after we saw krystalfag posting like normal for the last time, i hardly saw any of his gay zoophilia images afterwards. i'm pretty sure he also got doxxed which is what might've caused him to start doing this.

>>15900050
I don't believe it, there would be more furfaggotry if that was the case.

>>15900057
nigga, one of the first times he split the thread like this, one of the split threads he created had krystal as the picrel.
it is so fucking obviously him.

Its been a long road

Kek

>>15900079
stop posting this faggot, nobody cares about him.

lets try staging again

>>15900089
no, this thread has a proper OP, do not fucking stage

>>15900092
if only you told me sooner
>>15900093
>>15900093
>>15900093

>>15900089
make your choice and leave
>>15899819
>>15899929
>>15900052

>>15900096
you missed these two
>>15899953
>>15900093

kill all threadsplitters with chainsaws

This guy is really having a meltdown, lmao

it's nice how the userbase of /sfg/ is so resilient that the troll threads never gain any traction in the first place

>>15900013
SLS is still the only successfully launched american heavy lifter since the falcon heavy demo

vulcan, new glenn, starship, and ariane 6 (non-american ik) were all supposed to have achieved orbit by now according to previous claims by their respective companies.

>>15900111
its mainly because /sfg/ is dead

anyway another thread, because fuck /sci/
>>15900114
>>15900114

They gay, anti-social behavior needs to stop and mods need to hand out long bans.

>>15900094
krystalfag i fucking know this is you, i'm not surprised you turned out like this though, all furfags are obnoxious losers hungry for attention, even when they've been doxxed.

>>15900111
SLS began development before all of those rockets, has a far higher budget, uses tech developed in the 70s and is still only a few years ahead of the pack
fuck SLS
it's a necessary evil because no SLS = no artemis but still
fuck SLS

>>15900119
>mods
/sci/ doesn't have mods

You know how you can tell this is the real thread for certain? The fur faggot schizo is only advertising his pathetic split attempts in this one, not any of the others that he made.

>>15900125
mostly true, but it's still just insane that SLS managed to beat any of them let alone all. If you don't count constellation, and also consider that SLS shares basically no parts with the shuttle aside from the engines (core stage is a complete redesign and has literally no relation to the shuttle ET, the SRBs are similarly designed from the ground up with no commonality to shuttle) then the time scale is a bit more reasonable. And below orbitgin has been around for longer than SLS and is still yet to make orbit at all.

>>15900115
>>15900133
These posting styles are suspiciously similar.

>>15900136
its because the only one complaining and posting in /sfg/ is the collagefag

>>15900136
no they're not.

>>15900136
shut up

>>15900142
I've seen this guy blamed for a lot, but as far as I know, it's been quite a long time since a legitimate collage has been posted here. It all smells like deflection.
Blaming 'people' who can be easily sockpuppeted doesn't do a lot, and I honestly don't care, it just represents an artificial association of two completely different sets of behaviour.

>>15900010
New Glenn is never going to lift off in 2024, it will be at least 2025 before it will start flying. It will struggle badly with landing and for a few years, so once it does begin flying missions, it will be expendable. An absolute joke of a rocket from a joke of an aerospace company.
The BE-4 engine is also a wildcard, with no flights to date and riddled with problems that have make it a joke.
Until Vulcan lifts off, The BE-4 is a paperweight.

>>15900164
>New Glenn is never going to lift off
correct

>>15900164
why'd they give is such a gay name, it's even worse than starship IMO

>>15900047
It sounds like we need more schizos shilling Jeff Who and Blowhole Oblong.

At least there isn't a "space flight general", right?

>>15900199
Nevermind, I'm blind.

alright lads.
Predictions for IFT-3?
I will start:
>stage sep is slown down a bit to prevent sloshing.
>no raptor failures to re-light on boost back.
>Superheavy lands in a remote village and harvests the souls of the innocent
>Starship completes it's burn.
>Starship fails to re-enter and erases a Polynesian village off the map.

>>15900270
its burn*
rookie mistake.

How is it still grounded?

>>15900283
because Jeff is fake, tindert0e confirms

>>15900283
hydrologgs

>>15900270
that's a cool angle of the saturn i havent seen before.
where'd you find this?

Can someone give me a quick rundown on why there are six /sfg/ threads and why this is the legitimate thread?

>>15900292
I posted in on /sfg/ a while back. Dunno where I found it probably on some NASA archive.

>>15900293
no

>>15900293
literally, just look at the beginning of the thread

>>15900292
I found it in one of these threads. Insta save.

>>15900293
it's highly likely to be krystalnigger splitting the threads again, all of his threads have very deliberately shitty OPs.
he's been doing this ever since IFT-2

https://twitter.com/RussianSpaceWeb/status/1730621054916112660

https://twitter.com/torybruno/status/1730728369246162952

>>15900354

>>15900050
Partially doxxed, didnt finish it because IFT-2 was happening but I still keep tabs and he's definetly still here, deleted a Xeet in a diff thread when I called him out again. If you havent noticed, he made this OP too because the - position is fucked and should be infront of Previous. He's been doing this for a while to piss me off but lately I've just been ignoring it not trying to start the drama again so we can just post but he did this on his own. Unless this is a newfag OP (which I dont mind he can still keep posting OPs but should correct a bit) I see no way in denying this, literally every past thread has had messed up OPs in some way (Previous not put in, wrong - place, spacing, etc) and he does it because its the only way he knows to piss everyone off without the threads getting deleted.

Anyways, back to ignoring nerd internet drama I guess, whats your favorite moon?

https://twitter.com/ulalaunch/status/1730586497105985827

> December 1, 2006 // Today, ULA celebrates 17 years! Thank you to our #ULARocketStars, customers, suppliers and partners for supporting 158 launches with 100% mission success.

https://twitter.com/relativityspace/status/1730644335451140471
> First look: Aeon R on the test stand. #TerranR

https://twitter.com/TalkOTitusville/status/1730729441934881180
> Last night, @blueorigin
took their first, as far as I know, New Glenn fairings on a ride by Krystal Lynn

>>15900356
What sort of mentally ill person would become obsessed in adulterating our OPs in this way??? I don't think this is just a newfag.

https://twitter.com/launcher/status/1730640372723052922

>>15900365
Yeah you would know, youre the one doing it arent you krystalfag. Youre not above trying to blend in with normal posters and OPs, just reveal yourself and spam your furry porn already like you did to ruin the IFT-2 thread.

>>15900356
>If you havent noticed, he made this OP too because the - position is fucked and should be infront of Previous.
Serves you fucking faggots right ahahaha gotta love furries man

>>15900371
meds

>>15900369
Arent these guys owned by Vast? Interesting, hoping they get their orbital tug done correctly
>>15900373
Alright Ill take my meds

>>15900364
fucking krystalposters

>15900365
We shouldn't be discussing this further. He likes attention.
Posts like yours actually make me suspicious as dealing with schizos elsewhere taught me that they make posts like yours to keep the discussion on them.

gonna delete this post afterwards to keep the thread clean.

>>15900375
yeah they are just building these to sell now, not sure if they were planning to build their own rocket before getting aquired
but on their page it says this is aimed to be the most efficient engine for small launchers, so i don't know if there is really going to be a market for this

>>15900377
NTA but yeah I know thats why I called him out for it in the message I replies to, deleted the message doe.

>>15900047
>It works and years worth of research by dark matter physicists go down the drain thanks to chad mechanical engineer.

>>15900292
Whilst looking around, I found this cool pic of Skylab if you want.
https://flickr.com/photos/nasacommons/30827032386/in/album-72157634972333678/

>>15900358
This is not that impressive anymore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQi8RrU7etM
> Launch Site Modifications and Repairs Under Way | SpaceX Boca Chica

>spaceX engineers fear this.

>>15900387
so much space for activities

>>15900392
pretty big expansion to the tank farm

>>15900387
nice

>>15900395
It's sad to see people of the past "living a future" you didn't get to experience...

>>15900404
Why did they humiliate the astronauts like this

>>15900414
Desert survival training for Apollo 11 I think.
I am guessing the astronauts were trained to survive across different ranges of climates in case shit hit the fan?
I really like that image. It has a Apollo Beatles vibe to it.

>>15900414
what is humiliating about the pic?

>>15900386
Even funnier, he's an oceanographer by training. His eureka moment was comparing the Casimir Effect to waves pushing ships around at dock and wondering what the unseen waves outside of the plates were made of.

>>15900404
It was so incredibly blackpilling growing up in the 90s/2000s and realizing we had basically just shut space exploration down after the Cold War ended. Zoomers don't know how lucky they are.

so when can we expect results from this QI thruster experiment?

>>15900444
2 weeks

>>15900444
never

>>15900445
Probably January. Even with nominal performance it'll take a while to raise orbit with a <20W thruster.

New Glenn will achieve orbit before starship. Cope.

>>15900464
*Blue Glenn

How come a thruster that just does not work was launched.

i cant wait to see starship make it through testing
it sucks that the media has turned on elon for fucking up their propaganda machine

>>15900293
because mods are clods

>>15900478
All the better, goyim that are easily manipulated by the media stay out of our hobby and likely dont go to Mars if this Felon Husk bad rhetoric keeps up for a couple decades.

>>15900355
>Very affordable

>>15900504
polcels are just as evil as the jews they claim to hate

Cunny... in space...

>>15900504
>spaceflight
>hobby

>Almaz was equipped with a unique 23mm Rikhter (factory index 261P or 225P) rapid-fire cannon mounted on the forward belly of the station
>The Almaz series are the only known armed, crewed military spacecraft ever flown.
Why were soviet's like this

>>15900442
god I fucking hate the shuttle program. Talk about cuckening.

>>15900395
Can't believe they left it out there uninhabited for so long, and never launched the second one either.

>>15900442
reading up on some of the things congress did to cockblock space exploration is downright depressing.

>build working test model that is like 90% done
>build launchpad
>at some point in the project you go from composite tanks to aluminuim ones, actually making the x-33 lighter in the process.
>congress steps in and claims the project is a failure because they cant get the coposite tanks to work and pulls the funding.
>US army steps in and wants to fund the project because it's already mostly done.
>congress tells them they cant.

So nasa had at some point a launchpad that was ready, a SSTO "spaceplane" that was almost finished, and no money left to finish the project and find out of the damn thing actually would work.
I know a lot of anons here on /sfg/ are very anti aerospike, but i would have liked to see the X-33 fly at least once to find out how bad or good aerospikes really where.

>>15900393
Amongus

>>15900570
They fucked it because the military already has that shit covered, no need for public funding when the shit on the black books blows anything they could be doing publicly out of the water anyway

>>15900576
Please dont speak to me tinfoil hat anon.

>>15900578
you have to be arrogantly naive to think otherwise

>>15900386
I wouldn't say "down the drain". They were trying to reach the truth, but were looking in the wrong direction. Such mistakes are a part of the scientific process.

https://archive (dot) is/20231202124630/https://www.ft.com/content/9fbf47ef-cc9d-4f20-bbf9-24e2d11d4a83

>>15900596
lol, thats what you get for making a suborbital spaceplane dummy, should've went the blorgin/spaysex route

>>15900596
>it has really proved itself
Yes...

>>15900596
I almost feel bad, but I dont

>>15900576
If they actually had working memetech before this year then DARPA wouldn't have spent millions of dollars funding QI research.

what will happen with spacex when musk goes to prison?

>>15900627
Gwynne will drop Starships on DC until he's freed.

>>15900619
the world has already changed dramatically, theyre just stemming the tide
https://youtu.be/-e1_QhJ1EhQ?si=o91otolknqDptGrX

>>15900627
Musk wont go to prison, the will kill himself with his hands tied to his back and his feet in a cement block.

>>15900632
Any day now Bostondynamics will become profitable

>>15900638
Companies like boston dynamics dont exist to make a profit, they exist to push the boundaries of engineering

I'm warning you all against siding with Elon Musk.

>>15900657
i'm warning you to stop acting like an annoying little faggot or i'll make you a faggot, you retarded baiting nigger.

>>15900650
lol, being profitable and pushing the boundaries of engineering are not mutually exclusive

>>15900664
thats true, but in boston dynamics case it is not so.
they are not a profitable company, even after they started producing and selling spot.

>>15900668
If they meaningfully developed or advanced anything technologically, they wouldnt be treated a like a hot potato every few years

>>15900668
yes so bringing that bullshit up is just sad cope
they aren't profitable because they don't make valuable products (value meaning its useful enough for the price)

Why hasn't Musk hosted a Xitter space discussing the launch?

250th landing of the F9 booster. Notionally, that's around 11.5Bn in revenue that would otherwise be spent on capex, retained for other activities. Practically the full cost of the SLS program, which is being fed into Starlink and Starship respectively.

>>15900601
>blorgin
so far they've still only got a suborbital space not-plane and some other bits of scrap metal

>>15900664
>>15900668
>>15900673
Lose weight
Boston dynamics is changing the world, meanwhile youre here bitching about profits like a kike

>>15900270
Starship gets to Hawaii
Tiles work
IFT 4 is a proper orbital flight

>>15900539
crazy that people built something so advanced in the 70s with their vacuum tubes and slide rules

>>15900688
MIT passed it to Google in 2013, Google passed it to Softbank in 2017, Softbank passed it to Hyundai in 2020. Will see who gets the money pit potato next

>>15900684
i know, but IF you're gonna create a stupid suborbital joyride for rich folk, the re-usable booster route is clearly better.

>>15900421
>I am guessing the astronauts were trained to survive across different ranges of climates in case shit hit the fan?
Yeah, they didn't know what climate and fauna to expect on the moon.

>>15900688
how have they changed the world?

>>15900627
I will break him out, using more violence than necessary

virgin is kill

>"Sir Richard Branson has ruled out putting more money into his lossmaking space travel company Virgin Galactic, saying his business empire “does not have the deepest pockets” any more."
https://old.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/18994u5/breaking_news_richard_branson_rules_out_further/

>>15900720
More than you have

>>15900723
We did it Reddit!

>>15900677
too busy and the investigations are probably still ongoing (meaning there is not much to say yet, so a spaces is pointless)
a bit like its pointless to have a starship presentation every year if musk keeps dropping stuff directly in X posts
some of them have been very new information poor, just like the interviews and more for the general public

>>15900725
Space programs using Boston Dynamics robots that have reached orbit: 0.
Space programs using /sfg/ anons that have reached orbit: 1.

>>15900725
1 divided by 0 is still 0

>>15900733
sir?

>>15900723
I would have at least like to see one of these two clown shows hit some kind of sustainability.

>>15900725
yes, but they haven't really doing anything substantial than cool demos that need painstaking setup, maybe they've come up with some research papers into conventional robotics and control engineering and such and one thing they have done with the cool demos is perhaps got people interested in robotics more
so yes they have accomplished stuff, but "pushing the boundaries of engineering" is what the thousands or tens of thousands of engineering/technical universities do all the time
to make a real impact you actually have to ship products

>>15900745
so
tl:dr, they are a research lab wearing the skinsuit of a company
but there are actual research labs embedded in companies that do cool research + actual ship products

>>15900745
>to make a real impact you actually have to ship products
tell that to skunkworks

This was on the Nasa website somewhere.
apparently it is a legit formation on the moon's surface.
Actual doge meme. we lost sfg sisters.

how feasible would it be to stablish a colony on venus?
there IS a zone where a zeppelin can easily float and have stable temperature, from 55km to 50km above the ground there is a place with earth like conditions in terms of pressure and temperature, it even had a thick layer of clouds protecting the colonist from harmful radiation.
if scientist were to settle a swarm of zeppelins, they could probably discover a way to inhabit gas giants.

>>15900747
Skunkworks did ship though.

>>15900749
>doge
that's clearly pedo bear

>>15900723
proves once and for all that suborbital is for KEKS

>>15900751
>their 1 project that became known publicly
>50 years ago

>>15900749
MUCH CRATER, SUCH LIGHTING WOW

>>15900576
>>15900632
this is funny. The more you learn about the government and the military, the more you begin to understand their sheer incompetence and inefficiency. There isn't a special exception to that stupidity in aerospace.

>>15900750
I mean, the physics work. The problem seems to be how impractical it would be to create and deploy floating cities/colonies.
The gas vessels have to be everything proof so no colonies get popped and falls into the Venusian surface.
The colony needs to be anchored together so it doens't float apart, and maybe even anchored to the surface so it does not float around the planet?
(you could just have manoeuvring propellers instead to keep it on the same spot)
Even with starship, why would you colonise Venus?
I don't see a reason why we should.
BUT I would still do it, cause it's fucking cool.

>>15900765
imagine having a government automaker. They would still be debating if seatbelts are necessary in a car; that's how inefficient and slow they are.

>>15900750
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonization_of_Venus

>At least as early as 1971 Soviet scientists have suggested different approaches, however, claiming that rather than attempting to colonize Venus' hostile surface, humans might attempt to colonize the Venerian atmosphere. Geoffrey A. Landis of NASA's Glenn Research Center has summarized the perceived difficulties in colonizing Venus as being merely from the assumption that a colony would need to be based on the surface of a planet:

>“However, viewed in a different way, the problem with Venus is merely that the ground level is too far below the one atmosphere level. At cloud-top level, Venus is the paradise planet.”
Landis has proposed aerostat habitats followed by floating cities, based on the concept that breathable air (21:79 oxygen/nitrogen mixture) is a lifting gas in the dense carbon dioxide atmosphere, with over 60% of the lifting power that helium has on Earth. In effect, a balloon full of human-breathable air would sustain itself and extra weight (such as a colony) in midair. At an altitude of 50 kilometres (31 mi) above Venerian surface, the environment is the most Earth-like in the Solar System – a pressure of approximately 1000 hPa and temperatures in the 0 to 50 °C (273 to 323 K; 32 to 122 °F) range. Protection against cosmic radiation would be provided by the atmosphere above, with shielding mass equivalent to Earth's.

>At the top of the clouds the wind speed on Venus reaches up to 95 m/s (340 km/h; 210 mph), circling the planet approximately every four Earth days in a phenomenon known as "super-rotation". Colonies floating in this region could therefore have a much shorter day length by remaining untethered to the ground and moving with the atmosphere, compared to the usual 243 Earth days it takes for the planet to rotate. Allowing a colony to move freely would also reduce structural stress from the wind.

>>15900750
Cities exist where they exist because there is a good economic reason for them to be there. There hasn't been a good case made for Mars, and you can actually mine there and have ground to build on. What possible reason would someone have for settling the upper atmosphere over Venus' sulfuric hell?

The gas giants might actually have a case to make. Cloud settlements could refine stupid quantities of deuterium if you ever had a market for that in those sorts of volumes.

>>15900766
maxwell montes is the highest peak of venus with a whooping 11,520m/37795ft.
if you land it right, you could set a seismograph...it is cold enough for lead to not melt in that sector, a 100 area where you could feasibly put machinery to collect data.
also maxwell montes is located on a current where it'll take you 24/26 hours to travel around the planet, thus mimicking a day cycle on earth.
>>15900771
>What possible reason would someone have for settling the upper atmosphere over Venus' sulfuric hell?
a laboratory where we could test machinery that can withstand the conditions of a gas giant.
a sandbox where we can develop the technology necessary to master our solar system.
sadly, venus colonization would be hard on MARS colonization standards.
sending probes to fly on the habitable zone is the most feasible thing to do, maybe even set seismographs and seismometers on the peak of maxwell montes for now.
we can do that for now.

>>15900770
Cloud Nines may be feasible on Earth, and would probably be the ideal on Venus. It's a pretty cool concept. Ideally you could build the thing in orbit and slowly enter the upper atmosphere and remain there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_Nine_(sphere)

>>15900765
almost as if they know something about space the general public isnt privy to

god damn audio nerds eating into up mass to play their mp3s

>>15900632
>all human development is merely a trickle down release of tech by the ruling class.
based retard

>>15900797
>in the ancient world, the priests held the secret knowledge
>in the middle ages, the kings held the secret knowledge
>in the modern world, the beurocrats hold the secret knowledge
Always has been

>>15900783
endgame for venus would be cooling the atmosphere down to snow with a giant planetary shade and then using some extremely powerful explosives to cut a few tectonic plates out of the solid crust.
then a giant electromagnet at L1 to keep harmful radiation away

Today i will remind them.

>>15900557
shittle ruins everything, whether it touches it or not.

>>15900601
>suborbital spaceplane
It's barely even that.

>>15900785
I believe we should apply both ideas at once.
the cloud nines could also collect the run away deuterium in the upper atmosphere and generate a trade with earth, a form of currency via deuterium trade.
the habitable space on the planet could be set as a personal laboratory for earth's further technological development.
if we master venus, then we can inhabit the gas giants and use the moons for resources.
though venus it's still a LONG term investment don't you think? it'll take at least 10 generations before we see proper returns from venus development.
but hey, if we all work together and develop technology on venus, we could end up with a proper mastery of solar system, even if we never figure out a way to set out into the stars, we can still make our own solar system a proper fortress.
also if we coat with teflon the zeppelins, it'll be protected from acid, with aquaponics and indoors I'm sure we can make people life easy, shit we could set a aquarium and recycling system to make it as efficient as we can for a manned group to survive for 2 years or more.

>>15900785
>build the thing in orbit and slowly enter the upper atmosphere
If by "slowly" you mean "multiple km/s", sure.

>>15900356
Go outside lmao
>What sort of mentally ill person would become obsessed

>>15900811
that planet has a lot of carbon...we could use the dry ice to make a moon or at least mirrors that mimic earth days.
maybe use that very same dry ice as a base for the magnet, instead of building the metal, they'll just set the magnet.
all that carbon can't be wasted anon, with it you can make enough materials for eventual terraformation.
though if we want to speedrun this idea... it'll take 3000 fucking years to see the results.

>>15900356
You're sick, and your descent into madness is awful to watch

>>15900834
no shot, any and all colonization, even kardashev II style colonization would take many hundreds of years at the very least.

>>15900864

>>15900831
It shouldn't be a massive obstacle, since you're not in a rush to deorbit, even on Earth manned probes could take much soft reentry trajectories but it would not be practical due to radiation and life support requirements. Here's a 1965 paper about buoyant probes deorbiting into its atmosphere, which extends more than twice as much as Earth's anyway, not sure why it won't let me upload the pdf here on /sci/
https://sci-hub.ru/https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/epdf/10.2514/6.1965-1407
>>15900823
I doubt it'd be very practical in any way or form. Your idea is interesting, I personally don't know what economic incentive there might be, but as an immensely expensive and possibly shortsighted technological flex to push the boundaries of human civilization, it should in theory work. Would be fine for science fiction too, rho must have a lot more on it.

>>15900356
i fuck with the OPs on purpose because i know it makes your psychosis worse

>>15900749
>hey kid, do you want some illegal drugs?
>no thanks, I'm already high on pareidolia

>>15900873
based mush announcer

need /sfg/ related images, had to clean out my image folder. send stuff if you can i.e. /sfg/ is dead/alive

>>15900905
after i finish getting blown by the neighbor girl

>>15900905
i got you senpai!

>>15900905

>>15900915
is she hot?

>>15900905

>>15900928
no, like a 7. but she's super into it

>>15900941
We need to negotiate with the faux thread maker

I can't stop thinking of Dragonfly bros. But the recent delay and the change of the flight systems engineer has me disappointed and worried.

>>15900946
They found the coral? or did the scientists sweep this under the rug too

>>15900952
its just rocks chud.

>>15900952
which coral? To find corals we need to go to Europa.

>>15900949
Fuck off Dragonfly shill it should never been approved for any funding if it doesnt visit the lakes.

>intelsat has partnerships with starlink for military comms and oneweb for commercial comms
looks like they're finding a way to survive

>>15900946
is that what i think it is

>>15900946

>>15900946
>image not found
looks like its fake

Its not coral. There I said it, take your meds ayys dont exist, especially not in this system.

it looks like coral doe

>>15900723
>>15900596
No further investments in Virgin Galactic, says Richard Branson
--
https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/12/no-further-investments-in-virgin-galactic-says-richard-branson/
> Sir Richard Branson has ruled out putting more money into his lossmaking space travel company Virgin Galactic, saying his business empire “does not have the deepest pockets” any more.
>Virgin Galactic, which was founded by Branson in 2004, last month announced it was cutting jobs and suspending commercial flights for 18 months from next year, in a bid to preserve cash for the development of a larger plane that could carry passengers to the edge of space.

this is the same article as in financial times, but not behind a paywall, though with archive it doesnt really matter

U.S., U.K., Australia sign agreement to jointly operate deep space radar network
---
https://spacenews.com/u-s-u-k-australia-sign-agreement-to-jointly-operate-deep-space-radar-network/
> The three nations will operate the Deep Space Advanced Radar Capability (DARC) sites as part of the AUKUS security pact
> WASHINGTON — As part of the trilateral security partnership known as AUKUS, a network of three space-tracking radars will be set up in Australia, the United Kingdom and the United States.
> The three nations announced Dec. 2 they will host and operate the Deep Space Advanced Radar Capability (DARC), a next generation ground-based sensor funded by the U.S. Space Force and currently being developed by Northrop Grumman.
> “The Deep Space Advanced Radar Capability will leverage the geography of the United States, Australia, and the United Kingdom to further enhance our collective space domain awareness: the ability to track, identify and characterize space objects,” U.S. Assistant Secretary of Defense for Space Policy John Plumb said Dec. 2 in a news release.
> DARC will provide 24/7, all-weather capabilities to track and characterize objects deep in space — in geosynchronous orbit up to 22,000 miles above Earth.

Canada taps into U.S. military satellites for mobile communications, Air Force Secretary: Military needs AI to augment human capabilities, Angola signs Artemis Accords
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https://spacenews.com/canada-taps-into-u-s-military-satellites-for-mobile-communications/
> Canada’s Department of National Defense is the first partner nation to access the Mobile User Objective System (MUOS) narrowband satellite communication system
---
https://spacenews.com/air-force-secretary-military-needs-ai-to-augment-human-capabilities/
> WASHINGTON — The U.S. military needs to rapidly adopt artificial intelligence technology to aid in tracking targets, data analysis and managing complex missions, Air Force Secretary Frank Kendall said Dec. 2 at the Reagan National Defense Forum.
> ‘Battle management’ for space
> Kendall insisted that AI technologies will be critical to help military planners understand the battlefield, for example, using Earth observation data from satellites.
---
https://spacenews.com/angola-signs-artemis-accords/
> WASHINGTON — Angola signed the U.S.-led Artemis Accords outlining best practices for space exploration Nov. 30, becoming the third African nation to do so.

>>15900905

>>15901039
why are the stars visible in the direction of the sun i thought the light blocks them out

>>15901024
Its not coral thoughbeit

>>15901056
oh so you sampled and tested it then

Officially hit 100,

Should be 120-140+ next year, especially with New Glenn, Vulcan, Starship and Atlas V cadence increasing

>>15901046
Direct sunlight is that glowing white bit next to the planet.

>>15900283
Fucking cowards not showing the booster exploding.

>>15900905

>>15900905

>>15900905
>>15900905

>>15900905
the true history of mars

>>15900905
(((FAA)))

>>15900905

>>15900905
>>15900905

>>15900905
my (least) favorite rocket

>>15900905

>>15900880
>I doubt it'd be very practical in any way or form.
isn't everything at first? we couldn't dream of going to the moon not that long ago and yet humanity did it, shit a century ago it was unthinkable we'll even reach space.
now we are deeply considering mars and building a base.
it'll be extremely hard but doable.
>Your idea is interesting, I personally don't know what economic incentive there might be, but as an immensely expensive and possibly shortsighted technological flex to push the boundaries of human civilization, it should in theory work.
an unorthodox planet requires a unorthodox approach.
a form of currency must be created in order to stablish a proper colony on planet venus.
as a laboratory/sandbox space, it'll be perfect since the colonists would be scientists, a scientific community living on a challenging space will bring out the best of our species.
anyhow just setting up a zeppelin swarm on venus would be enough for permanent habitation alongside cloud nine concept being applied and you have a stable human colony.
proper gravity too, so no muscular wasting.
by also using the very air of venus in that zone will be enough to build materials.
though the only problem will be teflon.
other than that, a few indoors and proper recycling system alongside an aquarium will feed the colonist/scientist well and I bet they'll come up wit something.
though soil will be hard to mantain.
>Would be fine for science fiction too, rho must have a lot more on it.
having venus in science fiction had been strangely scarce, maybe it was beyond imagination to live in there.

>>15901056
thank you for correcting the record

>>15901129

>>15901130
delete this now please

https://techcrunch.com/2023/11/30/former-blue-origin-rocket-engine-manager-alleges-wrongful-termination-for-whistleblowing-on-safety/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAKhBGOsaJ9ahHd8ul6ypqtBcfYNZTt42JO9I3O8kzDekhgTZqajsvgCwu2YVRHf2jcO26bXssxCcjjSyU0G6lhgvWPEnuXn88Q2EuQvGhVrfinYgICPkDdFnJ13Snvs9clFtfeYwYNkkulB36gPIYFoiPDOm_tGNwhcs6PfG5HYM
>Stoker learned that a fellow employee had nearly asphyxiated while working under an engine nozzle just a few months after formally filing his complaint. He brought the concerns to Michael Stevens, VP of safety and mission assurance; the complaint says that Stoker was “brushed off.” In August, Stoker sent another email to leadership raising concerns that nine people on the engine team were working “24+” hour shifts to ensure the engine was delivered to customer United Launch Alliance on time.
I keep seeing anons post about how relaxed work at BO is compared to SeX and now I am starting to wonder

>>15901136

>>15901150
Bottom right looks more like lightning glass.

>>15901150
i'm begging you to stop

>>15901151
Too bad lightning has never been observed to occur on mars

>>15900972
go lick Pe

>>15901007
wym

>>15901160
Sure it has.
https://esto.nasa.gov/first-direct-measurements-of-lightning-on-mars/

If you look real close at this rock formation, you can see a striking resemblance to an American penny found on earth.
Interesting...

>>15900627
/sfg/ will break him out

>>15901168
Funny shoop.

>>15901168
crazy how nature does that

>>15901168
Lol
>>15901164
Coral
>>15901165
Ah, a rare (for mars) and weak meteorological phenomenon causing and even rarer geologic phenomenon creating a rock that looks suspiciously like coral in an outcropping of rocks that look suspiciously like coral in what just so happens to be the bottom of an ancient lakebed
What a coincidence

>>15901117
Venus in SF was passé for decades after the hellworld discovery. "Let's terraform it anyway" first appeared in the late 80s iirc.

>>15901177
>reading a headline and turning it into fact
I hate redditors so much it's unreal.

>>15901150
>>15901160
Its just rocks schizo. Trust the science.

>>15901180
Cope.

>>15901169
4ASS Special Forces on standby

In the most recent biography of Musk it is written that Jef and Musk met, and Musk kept trying to give Bezos advice saying 'dont pursue that, its stupid and we already tried it'. It doesnt mention what Musk was refering to.
Any ideas?

>>15901184
*Special Ed Forces

>>15901189
Hydrogen

elon musk will be killed and his company nationalized

>>15901191
kek, 4ASS Special E.D. (Elon Defense) Force

>>15901193
Makes sense, but I'm not aware that SpaceX ever seriously considered hydrogen

>>15901189
Naming the jew

>>15901177
Stop noticing things

>>15901203
Raptor was originally an hydromeme engine

>>15900905
Since we're talking about this

>>15901149
learn to trim your links (i.e. usually everything after the "?" can be removed)

Looks like they were able to use that drone footage.

>>15901149
Former Blue Origin rocket engine manager alleges wrongful termination for whistleblowing on safety
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https://techcrunch.com/2023/11/30/former-blue-origin-rocket-engine-manager-alleges-wrongful-termination-for-whistleblowing-on-safety/
> Allegedly, Stoker told two VPs in May 2022 that then-CEO Bob Smith’s behavior caused employees “to frequently violate safety procedures and processes in order to meet unreasonable deadlines.” Smith would “explode” when issues would arise, generating a hostile work environment, the complaint says. Stoker sent a follow-up email to the two VPs — Linda Cova, VP of the engines business unit, and Mary Plunkett, senior VP of human resources — that included a formal complaint against Smith.
> “Myself, my leadership team and others throughout the company should not have to constantly apologize and make excuses to ourselves and our teams for the CEO’s bad behavior,” the email states. “We spend significant time smoothing things over, building back morale, repairing damage, stopping people from overreacting. . . . The hostile work environment . . . is creating a safety and quality hazard for our people, products and customers.”
> No doubt the company was feeling the pressure to make deliveries; Blue Origin’s BE-4 will power United Launch Alliance’s Vulcan launch vehicle, which is now expected to make its much-delayed debut around Christmas. According to the complaint, Blue Origin’s contract with ULA requires the company to communicate issues that could impact rocket engine delivery one year in advance; Stoker wanted to tell ULA the engines would likely be delayed.
> But Smith had allegedly instructed Stoker not to share these production and delivery issues with ULA.

could just be a disgruntled employee

>>15901225
oh yeah kek

>>15901225
can someone clip this last second? its just before impact from drone POV

Thank you anon for the /sfg/ image dump earlier by the way.

>>15901230
https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/11/contractors-accuse-european-space-agency-of-a-culture-of-harassment/
>“My line manager consistently undermined my abilities and expertise, making derogatory comments about my work and belittling my contributions,” Alex told Ars. “I witnessed my colleagues being subjected to similar mistreatment, which created a hostile and distressing atmosphere within the team. There were instances where the manager would physically intimidate and threaten employees.”

Or old space could just have a near-universal culture of trash management

>>15901245
It's run by the government, of course it's mismanaged.

>>15901239
here you go

>>15900924

>>15901250
do you think they destroyed the drone on purpose to get the shot?

>>15901191
"Because no anon is as retarded as all of us"

>>15901250
lel

>>15901149
>work 25 hours a day for decades
>risk lives
>spend tens of billions of dollars
>still no orbital flight
skill issue

>>15901168
>mars hand lens imager
>takes a picture of a face
my rage is infinite and undying

>>15901251
delete yourself.

https://twitter.com/FREESPEECH1017/status/1730755307893379574
> BREAKING NEWS! FCC Approves in Part, Defers in Part SpaceX's Feb. 07, 2023 application to provide "Commercial" Direct 2 Device service. Providing SpaceX with "First Mover Advantage" in the D2D marketplace
>SATMOD2023020700021

>>15901294
https://twitter.com/FREESPEECH1017/status/1730772350646526400
> More on SpaceX D2D "Scope of Grant"
>The most important. "Authority to Launch"
>This Grant authorizes SpaceX for the Launch of "Modified" satellites (up to 7,500 Gen. 2) into the three authorized Gen. 2 orbital parameters and allows "limited on-orbit check out in the PCS G Block of the satellite buss and antenna deployment for a period of 10 days or less. This authority does not permit LEOP operations. Only the initial 10 day check out period on orbit.
>This authorization was the first necessary step in the process. You can not authorize the "launch of satellites" on a STA. So this is the purpose of this License Grant. SpaceX will need to perform LEOP operations shortly after the payloads are past the initial checkout period.
That is where the new STA SpaceX applied for today 12/01 comes into play.
SES-STA-INTR2023-06753

>>15901296
> "SpaceX will conduct its payload testing activities during the launch and early orbit phase (“LEOP”) of the satellites’ mission. During the critical check-out phase, which will begin within hours of launch at an altitude between 290 km and 350 km—depending on the particulars of the specific launch—and will continue for several weeks for each satellite, SpaceX will test the functionality of each direct-to-cellular payload and its network capabilities to ensure that they are operating as intended. Permitting this initial, internal LEOP check-out testing over several weeks (or longer as necessary) for each satellite is critical to assess and address issues as they arise."
>Then eventually they will transition to the previously filed STA on October 2nd. for wide-spread testing with TMobile.
>SAT-STA-20231002-00240
>"Direct-to-cell STA to launch and test its non-geostationary orbit NGSO second generation Gen2 satellites with direct-to-cellular communications payloads to connect unmodified cellular phones directly to SpaceX Gen2 satellites"
Every D2D operator that will provide service to the US will require authority to launch from the FCC

>>15901294
>>15901296
>>15901299

tl:dr Starlink got permission to test their direct-to-cell feature but can't operate it commercially

>>15901287
no

>>15901301
Whats direct to cell?

>>15901310
Cellphone service via satellite.

>>15901310
Moron

>>15901312
Isnt that what they already do though
>>15901316
Shut up

>>15901310
https://direct.starlink.com/
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/10/spacex-details-starlink-for-phones-plan-launching-in-2024/

starlink satellites working as cellphone towers connecting to normal unmodified cellphones
this is mostly for remote areas and won't replace normal cell towers due to low bandwidth
its similar to what AST spacemobile is doing who did a successful test two months ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgMEJtFpadw

this was unvelied about a year ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHydPCYHmLE

>>15901320
Why isnt starlink available in the eastern US?

>>15901323
but it is?

>>15901323
Where are you from, you fucking retard?

https://www.starlink.com/map

>>15900050
hi newfag, thread splitting has been a thing ever since the anime fag took up residence here

>>15901263
"what does this button do?"

>>15901319
No retard. They use cell towers ever heard of them? God how can some of you be so stupid?

>>15901337
Clear hasnt been shilled here in a week what are you talking about.

What should I watch or read to keep updated on spaceflight?
Any YouTube channels, journals, or websites I should be aware of?

>>15901355
I keep this general open pretty much all the time and I think I'm reasonably well-informed

>>15901355
>updated on spaceflight
for launch news Jonathan Space Report https://planet4589.org/
unmannedspaceflight.com
nextspaceflight.com
For technical books on engineering, combustion chemistry, orbital mechanics etc other anons might suggest some, butThe book Ignition! is well received.
Scott Manley gives a bi-weekly update.

Imagine how fucked things would be without Musk. I'm certain that he's the greatest human to ever live. Name someone better.

>>15901296
>7500 satellites

>>15901368
Without Elon we'd all be cheering on Blue Origin for their speed and innovation.

>>15901377
Holy shit. Imagine.

And imagine this whole Russia-Ukraine thing going down but with America still paying any price to buy seats on Soyuz to the ISS

>>15901368
The man is going to be venerated like a saint (maybe even more than that) in a couple hundred years.
Think of the larger-than-life folkloric status that US Presidents like Washington and Lincoln have reached, then extend that cultural connection to every colony and nation that emerges in the settlement of the solar system. There are going to be a lot of statues of Elon.

>>15901382
We would either be paying over $100 million a seat or the ISS would have been decommissioned early due to "irreconcilable political differences." My bet would be the second option. And then China would be the only nation with a functional space station.

>>15901368
elon for spaceflight
elon for ai
elon for neuro
elon for electric cars
google for driverless cars
palmer luckey / zuckerberg for vr/ar
some guy for drones

>>15901068
Now show the mass pie chart.

>>15901416
Now show the launches for each company that isnt their own satellites.

>>15901431
>Now show the launches for each country that isnt their own satellites.

>>15901437
Separate by company then coward, pull up the chart already

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IstYna1FlE

excitement builds for falcon's 85th flight of 2023. stay up and watch this one.

>>15901393
The commies own historians
They'd never write such a thing down

>>15901444
No

If youre telling me to watch a Falcon flight you are a faggot

>>15901365
Honestly, I wanna use this site less, so keeping a tab open isnt gonna be the best option for me.
>>15901367
Ok, thanks. I'll check these out.

>>15901458
As much as I hate discord, the Starbase community is pretty well established in it. I recommend the Ringwatchers for all updates to Starship vehicles and when they stack or have rings made etc, and RGV Aerial Photography for literally everything else, including Starbase launch pad updates like the new tanks for the tank farm. I could never use this site again and I would be just as up to date. Though they are VERY cleanly about their moderation, almost 0 tolerance for banter if its even slightly aggressive, which is why I come here.

>>15901466
Ok, thanks for that too. I don't know anything about spaceflight so I wouldnt be bantering with them at all.

>>15901477
One last thing in regards to Youtubers, if you really get into spaceflight and start watching cams around starbase to track stuff during the downtime, use LabPadre its what the Ring Watchers use, and those faggots at NSF have horrible livestreams too, they shill their product every 10 minutes for 5 minutes and thats not even an exageration. In regards to 'reactions' to news, I like Angry Astro as he usuallt doesn't sugarcoat it. Him and CSI Starbase who has THE MOST indepth analysis of anything Starship (its seriously wild) are really good. Also, if you want to seethe at retards or just know who NOT to listen to, Common Sense Skeptic, Thunderf00t and ESG Hound are all people to avoid. They regularly get stuff wrong and just hate Starship because Felon Huskrat bad.

>>15901485
>I like Angry Astro
I wish his cancer or whatever health condition takes him down soon. He has bad takes.

>>15901488
He has his own opinions and again, doesnt sugarcoat it. Why dont you tell me about those bad takes and we can see if youre right or just a retard.

>>15901488
>that GET
aryan therefore he's right.

https://twitter.com/ZFellows_/status/1731026379196493881

>>15901503
Whats an MBA? Mutually binding agreement?

>>15901507
Mediocre But Arrogant

>>15901453
FH too?

https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1OwGWYZeOOexQ

3min to launch

>>15900010
>three rockets that don't actually exist
bezos is such a bozo holy shit

>>15900270
>Predictions for IFT-3?
Flawless mission.

>>15901516
No only Falcon 9

>>15901523
Nope, everything goes right except reentry.

Max-Qute!

>>15901529
The clearfags return, how was your shortbreak? Also tell us your IFT-3 predictions

>>15901528
It lands gently on the back of a shark, killing it instantly.

>>15901542
Do this except its a stray FWS boat in the area

>>15901534
i predict clear ift3 will be rexeeted by musk himself

>>15901551
You must be dissappointed with every IFT then huh

>>15901542
I don't think a shark would be able to instantly kill starship

>>15901563
no this is my first prediction of this kind

>>15901571
It would if it was rigged with a nuclear warhead

MAGApedes will deny this but SpaceX lost Starship

>>15901585
so true xister, remember to dilate your shit stinking neovagina before it closes ul again

>>15900880
>>15901117
I got an idea.
If you build a cloud city big enough, it doesn't actually have to be light.
This is something Buckminister Fuller pointed out.
If you build a geodesic dome large enough, a kilometer or so in diameter, you only need to heat the air inside by about five degrees Fahrenheit to get it to cancel out the weight of the structure itself and float.
This is assuming a dome made out of steel and glass.
This is one of those cases where the square-cube law actually works for you rather than against you.
The structure of the dome is only the surface, but the buoyancy is controlled by the volume; the bigger you build your dome, the greater the payload fraction of the dome is.
A dome large enough to cover Midtown Manhattan (~3.2km) could support the weight of all the buildings in Midtown by raising the internal temperature five degrees and dropping the pressure by one or two percent.
Again, such a structure would be glass, steel, and concrete in construction.
You could get away with a city made from carbon and silicates with meter-thick radiation shields with a self-sustaining population of a quarter million people that could float at STP with a breathable atmosphere.
If you invert the dome, then you have a flat roof you build a runway on; the rest of the surface would be glass embedded with thin cell solar panels to block about half the light, dropping it to Earth normal.
You could supply all the rest of the power with a nuclear plant hanging from the bottom of the dome.
You could put a relatively small and light shadow shield above it to protect the city.
One hundred twenty-five of these domes would give you the population of Canada or the UK; that's plenty enough to have a self-sustaining civilization.
In fact, we could use the very elements of venus to supply free energy on this city.
People could use the very air and heat from below as a self sustaining source of energy.

>>15901635
If we build a inverted dome at let's say 50km we could feasibly take advantage of the extra sunlight.
The potential habitable zone rest between 51km to 62km above the surface, that's quite the space.
Thus a reverse dome cloud city on a high enough altitude to avoid the acidic clouds could essentially be perfect.

>>15901635
sounds pretty good. You get started on making a 3 kilometer self supporting dome out of steel and I’ll get to work transporting a hundred billion tons to venus.

>>15901485
what about the space bucket?

>>15900803
sorry anon, we're becoming cyberpunk and the underclass is advancing

>>15901337
bro I've been here since 2018 and I have never split a thread

>>15901679
The content is high quality normie slop in terms of information, but its still normie slop. Also another anon proved to me it previously had AI usage so I dont trust the channel myself now, better to just get the news directly from the source i.e. Ringwatchers or LabPadre like I said earlier

>>15901748
just ignore that tard i used to be like him but realized its futile so just post whatever you want as long as youre not shitting up the general.

>>15900047
Came here for an update on this. Has any info come in on the QI thrusters?

>>15901854
you will be purged threadsplitter

>>15901355
Up to the minute stuff gets aggregated here. Weekly Ars Technica posts a space news roundup (Fridays). Random news pops up throughout the week, mainly press releases from NASA, ESA and JAXA as well as space industry stuff. That generally shows up on the front line (Space News, Space.com, SpaceRef) when it happens. NASASpaceFlight and Unmanned Spaceflight respectively monitor as much as they can. They are known to have industry insiders posting. Boomer longform thinkpieces appear in places like Aviation Week, Space News, and Space Policy Online. Think tank papers and NASA reports very rarely get press releases so you have to know they're dropping or be attending a conference they're being presented at.

>>15901225
Why do people keep saying that Cybertruck is ugly? Maybe I'm just biased since I like angular shapes.

>>15901330
Why is it not available in the great lakes?

>>15901947
im trans btw

>>15901635
hmmmm. I just realised something...
why the fuck would you need a cloud city on venus to begin with?
if the planet turns out to be mineral rich, then mining operations would make sense, but you still wouldn't need a floating city, you could have a Orbital city instead.
Think about it, at the altitude of a cloud city, you're already past through most of the atmosphere, so just build the city in orbit instead.
To me, Orbital town sounds way cooler than some goofy ass balloon city. wait, does it? they both sound cool actually.
Damn, I wish I was born in a post scarcity society so I could just do it all.

>>15901952
>Orbital city
/sfg/ invents the space station

>>15901970
>>Orbital city
>nu/sfg/ invents the space station
Ftfy

>>15901310
Normal phone connects to a local cell tower thats within few dozen miles of your home. Direct to Cell is your phone connecting to the satellite to route the phone call.

>>15901517
Videos needs to be searchable. Dammit. Searchable on profiles and searchable through actual global search function, which needs a revamp

>>15901982
Yeah the switch to Twitter was a horrible move.

https://x.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1731203034292830675

>LANDSPACE's Zhuque-2 Y3 methane rocket is on the launch pad

They flying soon today or tomorrow, depending on how timezone works in China. Dec-4th launch. Its their third launch now.

>>15901991
It really pays if you're a Chinese rocket company and you get approval for launch that easy. Meanwhile you in the US you have the current admin blocking and delaying your every move by months because of politics

https://youtu.be/CKY4DwTDxkc

>>15901993
what in the fuck is the camera guy even doing

>>15900905
>had to clean out my image folder
i dont get this meme, storage is so fucking cheap i can store everything i've saved off of 4chin on a single 10$ USB stick
are you just poor?

>>15901998
Im unorganized, and had way too many images in one folder to sort so I'm just starting anew.

>>15901952
The failure mode for a balloon city is basically: Put on a scuba dry suit and go patch it up up beofre there's too much sulfuric acid gas mixing at a slow rate that it annoys people
The failure mode in orbit is 100x fucking worse and not even slightly comparable

>>15901992
The power of state capitalism. Despite yellow man debuff, China is unironically going to catch up to SpaceX within a few years thanks to politically motivated cuckery of SpaceX and it being laughably easy to insert ethnic Chinese people for industrial espionage purposes.

Chicom shills need go fuck off.

>>15901854
testing starts early this month

>>15901411
>palmer luckey
Didn't he give up on VR after Meta fucked him over?

>>15901970
>>15901973
I wrote "orbital city" because "space station" sounds fucking cucked.
Look at our space stations, do you wanna live in that shit?
Orbital city sounds grand.
Fuck O'Neill cylinders tho, they look lame.

>>15902002
The ISS is cucked, but it's hanging in there and that thing was built with a lot of constraints. With an actual healthy mass budget, you can build a very resilient orbital structure.
If you want to build floating cities, just say so, no point making these goofy ass safety hypotheticals.
"Floating city" has a nice ring to it.
I just want a cool looking future, something like the related gif.
I have no shame and I admit it.

>>15902038
get bent loser iss supremacist right here

>>15901952
Ideally we would put humans on the surface to mine. Unfortunately, that isn't really feasible, so the next best thing is to remotely operate from the nearest habitable zone and move the roggs from the surface to there. Mining from orbit is a lot harder than mining from the atmosphere.

>>15900755
You're fucking retarded, kill yourself
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skunk_Works#Projects

>>15901635
>If you build a geodesic dome large enough, a kilometer or so in diameter, you only need to heat the air inside by about five degrees Fahrenheit to get it to cancel out the weight of the structure itself and float.
That's the whole idea behind Cloud Nines (>>15900785), that are somewhat pointless on Earth as it is today, but would work and have a reason to exist on planets with inaccessible surfaces or high atmospheres. All those are interesting ideas, bakichad

>>15901654
kek

https://twitter.com/DJSnM/status/1731132895891513576

>>15902181
these and underwater cities should be built on earth just for shits and giggles at some point

>>15901635
>You get started on making a 3 kilometer self supporting dome out of steel and I’ll get to work transporting a hundred billion tons to venus.
Yeah, but it's not necessary, we have plenty of carbon around in the atmosphere to expand and build, making stuff with the carbon around as prime building block/base would be fine.
The only problem is the damn teflon, but it's doable, importing the fluorine will be the only thing you'll be importing.
Shit, I'll make it easy for you, instead of wasting MILLIONS of dollars on trips with rockets, how about you just set a bunch of sky hooks? that way you'll use gravity and momentum to do the work for you.
>>15901952
That will be for later when we improve on cloud nine technology, in fact, venus may be the place which we will develop the technology necessary to set space cities on gas giants.
>>15902181
>>15902194
That's what venus is for anon.
Imagine, if we use venus as a sandbox/test ground we could develop the technology to set cities on gas giants.
Jupiter would be lovely for that, moons full of minerals that are close by and a gas giant with plenty of fuel to make a rocket a fucking school bus drive.

>>15902038
>If you want to build floating cities, just say so, no point making these goofy ass safety hypotheticals.
but anon that's the charm, it's a problem with a feasible solution, it is fun to solve issues.
>"Floating city" has a nice ring to it.
I know right? though I would love to build cloud castles over there, kinda like what we see in cave story.
>I just want a cool looking future, something like the related gif.
I am a more classic guy myself but I could make a exception for that one.
I mean, imagine if we leave the solar system or something set the earth back into the stone age, imagine future humans discovering our bases, a floating island with castle on planet venus and a badass base floating on space.

>>15901107
This one will come in handy if they ever attempt a launch

>>15901466
>challenge: use exactly 95 words to explain that you have AIDS

>>15901503
https://youtu.be/Zu3nu6ue2qU?si=c4MFFF6iFDkqTDtc

>>15901991
irrelevant because it's falcon 1 tier

Another kino from spacexcentric
https://youtu.be/KUryL_gLiRU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoJsPvmFixU
> I Was SCARED To Say This To NASA... (But I said it anyway) - Smarter Every Day 293

>>15902270
>It's pretty lame compared to Saturn V, don't you think?

>>15902239
A man can dream.

New chink starship dropped

>>15902270

>>15902288
This is not cz-9

>>15902288
>>15902290
why are they like this

>>15901206
How are these generated? Are they fully AI or edited real photos? B

>>15902300
It's AI, I believe

Reminder to not recycle the faux thread

>>15901189
isowaffles. Musk was trying to tell Bezos that they don't taste good. Imagine trying to tell a man who ate an iguana not to eat something: it's not going to work.

>>15902309
this

>>15902289
>>15902270
>So that's when I lost it and called them what they were, a bunch of pork bucket grifting earthers who would never step foot on the Moon

(what did he actually tell them?)

>>15902314
>Imagine trying to tell a man who ate an iguana not to eat something: it's not going to work.

>>15902325
I'd be interested in knowing too, but the video is over an hour long and I've discovered that I'm not actually that interested.

>We're going.... right?

>>15902325
its a 1h talk, apparently its going to change his relationship with nasa permanently or whatever
probably going to tell them you are incompetent/shit managment lol

>Why NRHO instead of LLO? NRHO is more complex...
>because Orion doesn't have the delta-V for LLO

>>15902360

>>15902360
>>15902361
Did he say the D-word?

>We're using NRHO because we have to communicate with the crew, right? Right??? I don't believe you.

>>15902363
Delta-V, yes
He's criticizing NRHO for it's orbital period too, it doesn't actually take half a day to get from NRHO to LLO because that's only the ideal case; the orbital period of NRHO is six days so if something goes wrong and you have to abort you may "miss the bus"

>>15902367
I meant depot, newfag.

>>15902369
Not so far.

>I started looking at the whole system and I said oh, Orion can't get to LLO. We have to do this. It's not about communication; we can put communication on there to give us a green box, to justify it, but what this thing doesn't say is that orbit can't see the landing site 86% of the time. So we're going to have a relay satellite no matter what.
*salutes*

>>15902001
>he doesnt have one giant unsorted folder and keeps continually saving images too it
NGMI
when AI tagging becomes good i'll let it tag everything

>I did not understand, until this week [...], I didn't realize that in order to get the human lander to the Moon we have to launch a bunch of additional rockets to tank up in LEO. I didn't know that. Well I'm like how many rockets do we have to do with, and they're like, SIX.
>well some people are like well, it's looking like eight.

>>15902387
>EIGHT ROCKETS? We have to launch 8 rockets to send ONE to the Moon?
>Well, maybe 12...

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1731343887598305514

>>15902389

>>15902390
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1731344123985121697
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1731344325059989712

>>15902393
>this is a COMMUNICATION problem, because nobody in the room knew how many rockets it would take

>>15902393
so he is criticizing SpaceX/Starship/HLS here? I didn't get that far yet

The only question now is how do we get microbes into Europa's ocean?

>I think there's a problem because right now we are two years out from this launch and we don't know the number of rockets.
>I don't think that means we're gonna launch this thing in two years.
>It's time to be honest, as engineers we're not know to be effective communicators. It is time to lay out and systematize the communications so that every organization that's involved knows far more information than they need and we have actual targets and dates that are actionable and don't rely on a miracle in technological innovation occurring on some point on the Gantt chart.
>the fact that it still says two years until this launch tells me that we have a communication issue and I would like for that to be resolved by centralized leadership. There, I said my thing.

>>15902400
He's criticizing the lack of centralized communication. The problem isn't so much Starship/HLS but the fact that nobody really knows how much time that will take and yet the official communications still say it'll be happening in two years. The whole program isn't on the same page because people aren't communicating effectively, and this is a leadership failure.