/sci/ - Science & Math

How can anyone deny that Christ is God when there's so much evidence for it? Paul's conversion is huge, considering his past life. It shows anyone can be saved.

The current big bang model has no similarities whatsoever so to biblical creation besides the universe "starting" at some point.

>>15899234
Fact is the universe and laws of physics had a beginning. And the steady state model that was pushed by atheists got debunked. People can nitpick the finer details if they want, but those are the bare minimum facts.
God's existence is unique in that He is eternal, meaning He exists outside of time and space, and is not bound by the physical laws that govern the material universe. God is not a contingent being, but rather a necessary one. His existence is not dependent on anything else; rather, everything else depends on Him.

Isaiah 55:8-9
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the Lord.
"As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts."

>>15899239
>Fact is the universe and laws of physics had a beginning.
Broader cosmos might not. Our local universe appears to have, but that's it. Were you unaware of this distinction?

this site desperately needs a /rel/ board to contain threads like this

Youre arguing with strawmens and shadows that dont exist.
Youre living in a meme world.
How can you assume that God of Israel created this world when you have no proof but a bunch of scribbled ancient schizo fairytales?
Do you have brain damage?

>>15899246
Posts like this one are obviously against the rules. The /pol/tard in chief doesn't support enforcing the rules though which is why you get endless shitposts like these. So really the site desperately needs "someone who will support enforcing the rules" including against /pol/tards and their ilk.

>>15899246
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>>15899253
"But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed."
Romans 2:5

>>15899255
Unironically take your meds.

>>15899255
>disabling critical thinking ability in the brain let's you believe stupid shit
Wow how profound. So were you unaware the cosmos and the universe are not synonyms? >>15899244

>>15899258
>>15899259
"But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed."
Romans 2:5

"But they refused to pay attention and turned a stubborn shoulder and stopped their ears that they might not hear. They made their hearts diamond-hard lest they should hear the law and the words that the Lord of hosts had sent by his Spirit through the former prophets. Therefore great anger came from the Lord of hosts."
Zechariah 7:11-12

>>15899268
You aren't even trying dude

>>15899146
the big bang says that event literally created time, there was no before before that, the concept wouldn't make sense. in the Bible, in contrast, God is around before what happens in Genesis:

>Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world

>In hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began

This is entirely different and distinct ontologically

>>15899273
https://www.space.com/40586-anti-religious-bias-the-big-bang.html
Atheists were initially outraged by the Big Bang theory, denouncing it as Christian propaganda. The concept of the universe having a definitive beginning echoed too closely the religious narrative of creation, making many atheists suspect it was a plot to insert faith into science. They vehemently championed the steady-state model, which maintained the universe had no beginning, to avoid any semblance of divine implication. Despite this fervent opposition, the overwhelming tide of scientific evidence (by Catholic scientists) eventually established the Big Bang as a cornerstone of modern cosmology.

Fact is the universe and laws of physics had a beginning. And the steady state model that was pushed by atheists got debunked. People can nitpick the finer details if they want, but those are the bare minimum facts.
God's existence is unique in that He is eternal, meaning He exists outside of time and space, and is not bound by the physical laws that govern the material universe. God is not a contingent being, but rather a necessary one. His existence is not dependent on anything else; rather, everything else depends on Him.

Isaiah 55:8-9
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the Lord.
"As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts."

>>15899273
All you're doing is spamming "muh cosmos" and being vague for no reason. That's why you get the same copy pasted replies that you didn't read in the first place.

So, your point is (I'm guessing, since you're being a vague fag) "t-there couldve been stuff before the big bang, dood, b-bro string theory, uhh, bro" that's all you atheists do. Keep changing the goal post and arguing in bad faith. First it was steady state model, now it's "b-but wat about before the big bang. it doesnt count. the laws of physics and the creation of our fucking universe and time itself dont count. muh cosmos" just go back t𐐬 reddit.com/r/atheism if you're going to argue like this.

>>15899278
>the big bang says that event literally created time
>In hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began
>before time began

PRaise Christ! This thread has shown me the light! Like my favorite verse in The Oxford Annotated Bible says:
>Ye shall find Christ in even the darkest places and it shall be a miracle
And folks I gotta tell ya, this thread is proof of that.

>>15899239
>The universe had to have been created by god because it’s impossible for something to come from nothing
>God created himself out of nothingness. He is exempt from the previous law for reasons.

>>15899246
>>15899253
>this site desperately needs a /rel/ board to contain threads like this
No it fucking does not. You should just leave. You don't belong here and never did. You can't think about any subject and don't have anything to offer anyone so just fucking leave.

>>15899296
>don't belong here and never did.
Hey moot. How's Google?

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>>15899268
>thing happens
>we don't why how/why the thing happened
>let's make up a bunch of stuff because we can't cope with uncertainty
Makes perfect sense.

>>15899333
>let's make up a bunch of stuff because we can't cope with uncertainty
Yes you deranged fucking idiot.
Everyone does this. The scientific tradition is based on this. The idea of the fundamental forces of physics reflect something about reality but they're not actual discrete and clearly separated things.
Making up a model that fits observations is more powerful than not modelling the phenomena at all.

>>15899299
Gay and retarded.

>>15899146
>Atheists were initially outraged by the Big Bang theory, denouncing it as Christian propaganda. The concept of the universe having a definitive beginning echoed too closely the religious narrative of creation, making many atheists suspect it was a ploy to insert faith into science. They vehemently championed the steady-state model, which maintained the universe had no beginning, to avoid any semblance of divine implication. Despite this fervent opposition, the overwhelming tide of scientific evidence (by Catholic scientists) eventually established the Big Bang as a cornerstone of modern cosmology.
All those words, and no point....

>>15899342
Point is the universe and laws of physics had a beginning. And the steady state model that was pushed by atheists got debunked. People can nitpick the finer details if they want, but those are the bare minimum facts.
God's existence is unique in that He is eternal, meaning He exists outside of time and space, and is not bound by the physical laws that govern the material universe. God is not a contingent being, but rather a necessary one. His existence is not dependent on anything else; rather, everything else depends on Him.

Isaiah 55:8-9
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the Lord.
"As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts."

>>15899342
read the thread retard

>>15899343
Do you have any evidence for any of this shit besides bible quotes. I fucking hate you christfags so much.

>>15899349
Spiritual reality is necessary for material reality to exist. That which is conscious informs and inspires the unconscious. If divided and formed matter comes from a point of unity beyond material time and space, what is the initial cause for this realm to manifest? Nothing comes from nothing, there must be a prime source from which everything derives. And at such a stage, only consciousness can cause movement to occur (because matter is inmanifest and inert without act). Atheists seethe at this truth and would rather give themselves brain damage to forget it than accept it.

>I fucking hate you christfags so much.
"Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake,
For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you."
-Lord Jesus Christ, Matthew 5:10

>>15899353
There’s a reason christfags start vomiting out pseudophilosophical quotes whenever asked for evidence of their god. If they had evidence for their god they would show it. But sic]nice they don’t they try to steer the conversation away from evidence.

>>15899146
Meds.

>>15899358
Numerous archaeological discoveries over the years have corroborated various details mentioned in the Bible, lending it historical credibility. For example:
The Hittites: Once thought to be a biblical legend, archaeological findings in the 20th century confirmed the existence of this ancient civilization, as mentioned in various Old Testament books.
Pontius Pilate: An inscription found in Caesarea Maritima in 1961 bears the name of Pontius Pilate, confirming his historical existence and role as the Roman Prefect of Judea, as detailed in the Gospels.

>>15899361
YWNBAW

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>>15899365
>it's not our fault you were extremely irresponsible
what a cunt

>>15899362
>Numerous archaeological discoveries over the years have corroborated various details mentioned in the Bible, lending it historical credibility.
Spiderman exists in New York, therefore spiderman is real.
The absolute state of apologetics

>>15899363
I feel sad for these people at the end of the day. Their parents failed them, their friends failed them, and their community failed them.

>>15899363
I don't want a uterus, so that's fine.

Meds.

>>15899377
You atheists are the brain damaged ones, though.
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>>15899381
>You atheists are the brain damaged ones, though.

>>15899344
>read the thread retard
kill yourself you subhuman
OP posted an OP with no point
I said his OP had no point
What the fuck does the rest of the thread have to do with the OP post having no point
kill yourself
no one would miss you

>>15899386
"Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake,
For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you."
-Lord Jesus Christ, Matthew 5:10

>>15899386
(you)

>>15899343
>Point is the universe and laws of physics had a beginning. And the steady state model that was pushed by atheists got debunked. People can nitpick the finer details if they want, but those are the bare minimum facts.
>God's existence is unique in that He is eternal, meaning He exists outside of time and space, and is not bound by the physical laws that govern the material universe. God is not a contingent being, but rather a necessary one. His existence is not dependent on anything else; rather, everything else depends on Him.
>Isaiah 55:8-9
>"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the Lord.
>"As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts."

I'm not going to waste a bunch of words, because reading your post reminds me of when i was mentally ill and religious.
in fact, I'm not even going try to help you. It would be a waste of words.

>>15899387

not reading
kill yourself
you're subhuman

>>15899388
not reading
kill yourself subby

>>15899239
The bible was created 300 years after the time christ supposedly lived. It was done as a way for roman emperors to retain control. There is a wide agreement among historians that christ was never an actual person who lived.

>>15899338
>Everyone does this
There's a degree to which it is reasonable to do it and not in the way most religious people (and most people in this thread) do. Your cartoon ass "yes" or "no", "good" or "bad" brain is not capable of interpreting the real world.

>>15899393
>>15899394
dont you have some blacked shit to watch or something, libcuck?

>>15899405
You don't know me, how I think or anything about religion or science. You're a completely useless brainwashed faggot with nothing to say about any subject. All you know how to do is repeat stale memes.

>>15899146
The big bang has absolutely nothing to do with christianity. If you actually knew any science you wouldn't have to embarrass yourself. The big bang was not the moment the universe came into existence, reality already existed well before the big bang. The theory's evidence is that when you look at cmb (cosmic microwave background) radiation, which came into existence earlier than the big bang, it has this sort of "stretched" look to it, indicating that at some point after reality came into existence it underwent a period of rapid expansion. This is a lot different than reality just somehow "popping" into existence out of nowhere.

>>15899414
:(

>>15899146
this is just spam at this point. You're not even taking any responses onboard to adjust your spam message

>>15899146
which atheists? there were hardly any at the time