/sci/ - Science & Math

just watching the first episode for all mankind right now
it must have been amazing back when this happened
to finally reach out and touch the moon.

>>15891713
who is this guy? why is he 'literal'?

>>15891721
He's Chief of Space Operations in the US Space Force, literally a spaceflight general.

>>15891719
bezos penis rocket

>>15891719
A literal metal cylinder

>>15891719
I hate the feather motif

>>15891713
what the fuck is this uniform
they had a blank slate and decided to dress like a chef wearing a tie lmfao
>Mama Mia!

>>15891744
Probably someone horny about Mormon scifi designing them.

>>15891744
They're on the right track, but the Tie needs to go. I mean, you can barely even fucking see the top of it anyway. Some kind of scarf would be better.

>>15891749
the epaulets, huge gap in the collar, prominent tie + collar underneath, and lack of usmc-style piping complete fuck ussf the look
crazy
>>15891755
what like this gay ass pic related? no thanks should just be nothing, with a much smaller/nonexistent gap

>>15891713
Alright fine, thread question: What do (You) think the Space Force uniform should look like?

>>15891713
try putting something space related as the picture

>>15891713
The collars piss me off somehow. Too confused.

>>15891749
It's also meant to look like the star trek movie uniforms from the 80s

>>15891718
first episode finished
pretty good so far
wondering how the fuck they are going to rescue them now

also i really wish people were more willing to let astronauts/crew die
they were more than willing to die if they could even attempt going to the moon
same with mars in the future

The combined expansion plans of Chinese launch companies seem quite ambitious

Space Pioneer is building a factory with a stated final design capacity of 30 rockets and 500 engines per year. I assume it is for the TL-3, since the TL-2 uses YF-102 engines from CASC. Each TL-3 booster uses 7 engines. Their website says 10 times reuse. Each upper stage uses 1 engine. So this factory would support a launch cadence of ~300 per year. The TL-3 is 17t to LEO, so that would be 5,100t to LEO per year
https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s?__biz=MjM5MDIwNDEyMg==&chksm=bdb8d0c78acf59d1dc597769c29d1d774e320c67daf0e95b14730456845e51e4e9473da8a7e9&idx=4&mid=2651068786&sn=310d64033b981d2cca2ca94a2d5c25ab

CASC intends to ramp up production of Long March 8 to 50 per year. At 8t to LEO each, that would mean 400t to LEO per year. It would also mean a production rate of 200 YF-100 per year, which I assume could later be relatively easily converted to YF-100M/K for the Long March 10.
https://spacenews.com/china-looks-to-long-march-8-rocket-to-help-launch-its-answer-to-starlink/
They also intend to greatly increase production of Long March 5B, while continuing LM6/6A/7/7A, implying even more engine production

CAS Space's factory has a final design capacity of 30 solid fuel rockets per year
https://spacenews.com/chinas-cas-space-outlines-rocket-series-inaugurates-manufacturing-facility/

Landspace's factory is meant to build 30 rockets and 300 engines per year
https://weibo.com/7299821485/NqR7Qp64C

Orienspace say they have secured orders for hundreds of payloads
https://spacenews.com/orienspace-of-china-targets-first-launch-in-second-half-of-the-year/

Expace's factory is intended to build 20 solid rockets per year
https://spacenews.com/chinese-commercial-launch-firm-expace-raises-237-million/

>>15891758
armored exoskeleton spacesuit

>>15891758
Nothing because it shouldn't exist as a separate service and neither should the Air Force

>>15891772
There are also other companies, such as Galactic Energy, iSpace, Deep Blue Aerospace, Rocket Pi, etc. Of these, at least Galactic Energy is well-funded

That seems like a lot of rockets and engines planned. And it seems like it would be hard to implement them all simultaneously because they would compete for labor and capital. Yet they're apparently building the factories. And they're building a lot of launch pads; I assume they will build more.

>>15891744
It could be saved with a high collar. the cutout for the tie looks like ass

>>15891719
New glenn is a nice rocket

>>15891772
>>15891776
I don't see how this much launch capacity would make sense just to support the Guowang constellation of 13,000. Even with a 5 year lifespan, that's 2600 satellites per year. Even if a rocket can only take 20 per launch on average, that's just 130 launches per year.

I assume that the government has let companies know that either they're planning a phase II constellation of 42,000 like SpaceX, or that there are secret military space projects in the works, or both. In any case, that if they can provide the launch supply, then the demand will be there. Or maybe the companies are just being aggressive in expansion because they are hoping to cannibalize each other in terms labor recruitment and end up "taking it all".

>>15891786
Most of the companies will fail to produce working hardware and collapse but they keep Chinese people employed so Beijing keeps shoveling money at them.

>>15891744
>>15891758
If they were going to go for the ~future~ look, UNSC uniform.
If not future, Royal Navy

>>15891794
White for special occasions

>>15891794
>>15891795
Or if you fancy some tradition in your space force.
Any actual crewed space ships should really fall under a similar force structure to the Navy of old, where communications had lag times of days and Captains/ Adms had much more independance

>Mars has a shitload of ice
>asteroids are water rich
>outer system moons are all iceballs
>Earth and NEAs provide water for lunar use
>the only places with liquid hydrocarbons are Earth and Titan
Space colonies will use steam engines (including nuke fed steam turbines) instead of internal combustion for things that can't be done with photovoltaics or electric motors.

>>15891799
Hmm I wonder if it is possible to manufacture decent batteries with what is on the mars crust, without godawful amounts of infra needed, otherwise scaling up industry might be limited by battery production capacity

>>15891758
naked, as a true space guardian is already adapted to life in hard vacuum

>>15891782
New Glenn is NG

>>15891802
Aluminum-graphene batteries are currently BTRL4 (pouch cells) so yes.

https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/aluminum-bearing-site-on-mars-draws-nasa-visitor

>>15891802
scaling up industry might be limited by the fact that you cant survive otuside... ever thought of that?.

>>15891789
Galactic Energy, Expace, Landspace, Space Pioneer, CAS Space and iSpace have all already launched payloads to orbit. And CASC of course. Orienspace's first launch is supposedly imminent.

>>15891802
geothermal

>>15891786
I think its just entrepreneurs building companies and the state looking and it and letting capitalism play out
let the best companies win, much more effective than trying to control it centrally

>>15891811
That's a solvable problem. You can't survice underwater and we still have oil rigs. While I am aware that they are clearly different enviroments, there are engineering solutions to austere conditions.
>>15891810
Excellent, pull the carbon from the air and Al from the soil.
>>15891815
I was thinking more in terms of regolith haulers etc, stuff that needs to be mobile.
For "Grid" power I would expect nuclear to be the solution as the energy density + Materials cost is unparalleled.

>>15891823
>You can't survice underwater and we still have oil rigs
correct. they are on the part of the planet above the water where you can survive. try making a whole society under the water before you try making one on mars.

>>15891823
Nuclear also lets you do utility scale piped steam for heating, motive pressure, cleaning medical equipment, etc. effectively for free, whereas resistive heating sucks.

>>15891827
>try making a whole society under the water
We should

>>15891827
>>15891831
we can't colonize the ocean floor because there are no indigenous people to displace :-(

I love how BO said SpaceX would take ~15 flights to refuel the Starship only for NASA to confirm this.

>>15891829
District heating would also be a huge benefit of nukes, however I expect that something else might be used instead of water as the working fluid for it (I would expect a water cooled reactor design though as you want something with a lot of engineering exp behind it) Probably some sort of sub reactor derivative as those are already mass optimized to a degree.
>>15891827
I think the engineering challenges would be quite different, as you need a whole different class of pressure vessle. But the point being that we have people working in very harsh conditions (Saturation divers come to mind). I would imagine something similar for mars industry. Higher tech manufacturing/ machining taking place within a hab so that people don't need pressure suits, and then your "Divers" who go out and maintain the automated regolith plants and heavy industy that are controlled from within the hab, but are so large that the actual plant has to be outside.

>>15891839
I love how Elon refuted it in a single tweet and you're still here being retarded

>>15891839
NASA went back on that statement

>>15891831
If we put enough under the water, and it rises then some tribe islands will get flooded. Win-Win

>>15891846
sounds like a solution. can we give them measles, too?

>>15891848
Give them somthing actually fun, like Marburg or another VHF

>>15891827
but there is no reason to make a colony underwater
there are many reasons to make a colony on mars

>>15891840
industry cant take place in a hab because you will quickly kill yourself due to inhilation.

>>15891771
>first women on the moon
i just realized that never happened

>>15891840
Other working fluids aren't going to be worth the expense if Mars has a permafrost layer.

>>15891854
Breathing the same air as an electric lathe running won't kill you (Don't be a tard and try to breathe in chips though).
That's why I said dirty industries go outside the hab, and you can just vent to the martian atmosphere, Although you would probably want to capture any "waste" gasses anyay.
Finishing/Biotech/ anything that can be done at a smaller scale (like say polymer production etc can be done in or outside depending on what makes sense.
Don't try and do regolith refining in your bedroom basically

>>15891862
Yeah if the layer is readily mined then it would be perfect, I am thinking worst case/ Initial colony before any serious mining infra is set up

>>15891863
basically any useful industry at scale produces enough waste gasses to kill you in a hab

> Below 60 degrees of latitude, ice is concentrated in several regions, particularly around the Elysium volcanoes, Terra Sabaea, and northwest of Terra Sirenum, and exists in concentrations up to 18% ice in the subsurface. Above 60 degrees latitude, ice is highly abundant. Polewards on 70 degrees of latitude, ice concentrations exceed 25% almost everywhere, and approach 100% at the poles

>>15891877
> Proportion of water ice present in the upper meter of the Martian surface for lower (top) and higher (bottom) latitudes. The percentages are derived through stoichiometric calculations based on epithermal neutron fluxes. These fluxes were detected by the Neutron Spectrometer aboard the 2001 Mars Odyssey spacecraft.
> The Mars Odyssey neutron spectrometer observations indicate that if all the ice in the top meter of the Martian surface were spread evenly, it would give a Water Equivalent Global layer (WEG) of at least ≈14 centimetres (5.5 in)—in other words, the globally averaged Martian surface is approximately 14% water.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_on_Mars#Present_water

>>15891879
>that red
hnnnngggg

> Cross-section of a portion of the north polar ice cap of Mars, derived from satellite radar sounding.

Where would be the best location of an initial mars base? Colonization being the primary driver here, not research.
At this point the things you could take into account are solar power + ice I guess?

>>15891883
Mariner Valley

>>15891816
>let the best companies win
You don't need this level of supply overcapacity to achieve competition. In fact, major overcapacity is detrimental to competition because it causes companies to fail that would have been viable under equilibrium market conditions. Hence why dumping is generally frowned on. Yet Chinese investors are still adding capital to the industry for some reason

>its just entrepreneurs building companies
Entrepreneurs can't do anything without investors, and investors generally invest for a reason, they don't just want to throw their money away

>>15891883
somewhere in the northern hemisphere, I think that's where surface ice is most prevalent? Also it's really flat, so landing starships is easier.

New aerospace startup dropped, just saw this note from the founder on LinkedIn, Blackstar plans reusable satellites that reenter like space planes

https://www.spacedrone.io/

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/kit-carson-25299062_i-am-very-excited-to-finally-share-the-big-activity-7135232217831657472-1OgR

>I am very excited to finally share the big news with you all. I have been secretly doubling as the CTO/ Co-Founder of BlackStar Orbital! (spacedrone.io)

>This technology has a long history with Christopher Jannette (CEO/ Co-Founder) and myself. We are developing a commercial micro-shuttle for delivery of cube sats to unique orbits off of a ride share. In plain english this would be described as putting ~1800m/s of deltaV onto a 20U/50kg payload. At the end of mission the spacedrone returns and lands. This vehicle generates no space debris and uses mostly COTS hardware for a cost competitive orbital insert.

>Currently we are raising funding for our first vehicle and launch. If you or someone you know are serious space investor(s), let's chat.

>So much more to share here but all in due time. Check out spacedrone.io for 'The Spacedrone Report' and updates.

>>15891889
It's the Chinese government employmentmaxxing to stave off civil unrest like they've been doing since the 1980s. This sort of cartoonish oversupply is common to many Chinese sectors like housing.

>>15891889
>investors generally invest for a reason, they don't just want to throw their money away
Didn't a bunch of people lose money on jpgs. of monkeys like a year ago?

>>15891883
Somewhere with Ice close to the surface. Have some solar for initial steps, but then land a nuke plant and use mined water for district heating of the hab + Process heat for ore refining
>>15891871
Put the industry outside the hab, problem solved.
Plus things like "waste" gasses will be quite valuable for the relatively high abundance of elements in them. If it's carbon based very valuable, as it will be many times atmospheric pressures

Control room inside where people can work with normal clothes, and if anything breaks send someone out in a pressure suit to fi. Like how Oil rigs work now with divers
>>15891893
Basically a space tug that has a heatshield and parachute?
>>15891890
I imagine you could send a bulldozer rover first in a starship, that can land on a slope, and then can flatten the area + act as a radar beacon

>>15891898
I think it's more of a reusable satellite bus with deployable/retractable solar panels, like a tiny shuttle+spacelab with better endurance.

Oh.. nooooooo....
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1729511790638145918/photo/1

>>15891902
cool, a random twitter link which I'm not going to click on.

>>15891902
It is strange how they keep turning out to be pedos
>>15891901
I wish them all the sucess, however making it land to refuel does seem much harder than making them semi disposable.
>>15891904
Elon Saying pizzagate is real

>>15891894
I think China's steel overcapacity was indeed caused by a reluctance to fire employees with nowhere else to go. However, I don't think aerospace workers are the kind of people who have trouble finding employment in China.

I believe China's housing bubble was mainly caused by Chinese individuals' preference for saving in real estate. I don't think those are the kind of people who are investing in Chinese aerospace companies, they are not publicly traded I think.

I don't see why such launch capacity would be cartoonishly excessive, if you can achieve it at reasonable cost. Is SpaceX's 42,000 Starlink constellation cartoonishly excessive? China likely wants to be able to offer the world's countries the same level of service as America, so that America won't have leverage over them. And there are further military applications of such launch capacity e.g. ultra-high-revisit-rate ultra-low-orbit SAR constellation.

what the fuck
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1728604127540748501
elon has gone too far this time

>>15891774
retarded take

>>15891918
take? what did he take?

>>15891919
my boiginity ;-;

>>15891902
>>15891904
>>15891908
Musk is dropping more /pol/ redpills, he cant stop getting himself in trouble. Not a good idea if he wants to be unobstructed

>>15891921
Musk wants to sabotage himself for an out.

>>15891924
Musk is a rat, I hate him.

>>15891924
>>15891921
He's a old style shitposter who also happens to be a billionaire, and he's started /noticing/ the pushback on certain topics.

>>15891895
I don't think they spent money on jpgs, they spent money on NFTs uniquely associated with those jpgs, in the hope that NFTs would become a widely accepted store of value much like gold or art. Though I get your point; not every investment pays off and not every investment decision is wise.

However, the kind not retail investors. For example the kind of investors who are funding Space Pioneer are CITIC, CICC, China Construction Bank, and Zhejiang University.
>This round of financing is Tianbing Technology’s 12th round of financing. As the first liquid rocket development company in commercial aerospace to achieve its first flight, Tianbing Technology has been established for more than four years. It has obtained investment from CICC Capital, Boyu Investment, CITIC Construction Investment, China Construction Bank International, Zhejiang University Lianchuang, Zhangjiagang Ecology Science and Technology City, Cointreau Investment, Guoke Investment, Inno Angel, Jiuyou Capital, Lushi Investment, Eagle Fund, Hongfu Assets, Zijin Investment, Tongtai Capital, Zheshang Venture Capital, Youshan Capital, Soochow Venture Capital With the continuous support of well-known investment institutions such as Paradigm Fund and Paradigm Fund, the company has received a total of more than 3 billion yuan in financial support.
http://www.spacepioneer.cc/news/detail/113

>>15891901
Oh, is this going to be like a civilian micro x-37. Stick something in orbit test it then bring it back. Could be good for testing components since you can bring them back to review. Wonder if they will run into trouble getting reentry approval like Varda.

>>15891935
is it just the culture at SpaceX to be a chud?

>>15891936
underneath all the conditioning, everyone is a chud.

>>15891935
>can't do anything about it
Turn off the bodycams and take a crowbar to his legs, I bet getting off drops a few pegs on that hobo's list of shit to do when his kneecaps are sideways.

>>15891936
Chud gets results.

>>15891936
>>15891935
The culture is getting results.
The police should be able to remove a guy wanking on the beach, and everyone knows that.
If pointing out that the people who hamstring them like this makes you a chud, you're going to make a lot of chuds very quickly.
See when they all got cleared out for Xi's visit.

>>15891914
I imgaine that their consstellation will also have some kind of tracking capability for maritime assets, as maintaining a reliable kill chain is a problem for China's area denial system cutrrently.

>>15891914
I would also say that an issue with the housing bubble was selling property that was yet to be built as well, fixing your income with varying future costs. That and building more apartments than people

Pic for my nukebros

>clear showing up in my recs
she making it bros

>>15891936
SpaceX doesn't inherently have any DNC political castration cult running the business.

They have realists who say what they see without filters

>>15891755
>Some kind of scarf would be better.
based LoGH appreciator

>>15891893
>reusable satellites
the future begins now

>>15891713
US will never leave LEO let alone go to moon ever again.

>>15891719
This kills the muskrat

>>15891952
that doesn't make any sense

>>15891949
>selling property that was yet to be built
That's just an interest-free loan from your customers. Indeed, excessive leverage was a problem with the industry, however it all happened because of projections for future prices which in turn where caused by the investor mania caused by the ever-richer Chinese investing their savings into the excellently performing investment of tulips... I mean real estate.

>>15891962
k

>>15891904
>>15891902
it's about a journalist who was convicted for sex crimes against children. The only news here is that he was actually convicted.

>>15891967
i rarely watch space content, mostly nsf and spacex live streams, so clear appearing out of nowhere means shes gaining traction in the spaceflight youtube community

>>15891976
you never clicked on a clear stream?

>>15891962
Ah yes the mexican race

>>15891962
why is northern european one block, that is gay

>>15891966
A can of energy drink?

>>15891983
la raza, if you will

>>15891981
i've clicked on music vtubers but not clear

>>15891983
It says the ethnic origins.
muh white race is fake and gay
Ethnicity matters.
The American founders were exclusively of North West European stock

https://twitter.com/BellikOzan/status/1729303627704254668

>>15891996
https://twitter.com/BellikOzan/status/1729335007825854921

>>15891996
Nobody is excited for space stuff anymore
Zoomers are all risk averse lame faggots.

>>15891998
https://twitter.com/BellikOzan/status/1729524229467750551

a long post about how (would be 4 screenshots or 4 posts if pasted)

>>15892000
ok millenial.

>>15891968
This coupled with the base costs of building going up as well, squeezed from both sides.
Will the south sea company surv-?

Plus they are running out of infrastructure to build, basically a bridge across every valley now etc.

>>15891953
Exactly, they have engineers in charge, not the managerial class

>>15891998
>>15891996
People don't realise exactly how far a fully fuelled starship in LEO can go, and how fast.
Particularly a expendable "transfer" variant with no TPS/flaps etc if you want to get to Mars in a hurry or Jupiter without 10 years of gravity assists. No more planning Missions that will take 30 years to go from proposal to execution.

Things get a lot easier when you don't have to engineer them to survive a 10 year coast phase, and you don't have to use turbo autistic mass optimization. You don't need 4 redundant oxygen splitters when you can just take 50,000 litres of liquid oxygen with you and vent CO2 as needed

>>15892011
yeah, just throw more mass at it if you have a problem, seems to work pretty well

>>15891990
It's a real rocket. Not that a muskrat would know

>>15892002
> But there is a better way, and it even lets you skip crewed aerobraking with Starship. Suppose you had an Earth return vehicle (Orion, Dragon, Starliner, another Starship -- doesn't matter) waiting for you in high elliptical Earth orbit. Getting there from a 19km/s approach velocity would need ~8.5km/s delta v, but that part of the trip is short. You could get by w/ a small crew cabin, say a 2.5t one (~twice the mass of the Soyuz orbital module) that just needs to keep a crew of 4-6 alive for a few hours or days. A two-stage methalox vehicle (we're avoiding deep cryo b/c it's harder to make it long duration, and we don't need it) could pull that off w/ ~40t wet mass. Now you stick that on a 130t expendable crewed Starship (no flaps or TPS) and add a 2kt pusher Starship stage (tanker w/ a jettisoned nosecone and docking capability), and you've got a 4 stage vehicle that can take you all the way from HMO to HEO in ~45 days in 2035, w/ a large cabin for transit and a small cabin for final approach, that needs <4kt in HMO.

kek

>>15892021
>It's a real rocket
It seems to be missing quite a few bits for that.

>>15892021
real in my mind

do we have any physical evidence of water on the moon yet?

>>15892021
>It's a real rocket
Behold, a rocket

>>15892015
It will, while it won't go away entirely, being able to optimize for the kilo or even ton as opposed to having to account for every literal gram will have a profound effect. Costs for components will decrease, systems can become more robust etc etc.

Oh no we have power issues? Just throw up 50t more solar panels and you'd be sorted. Sure they won't be commercial ones as they will need cooling becasue you're in a vacumn but you won't have to engineer a whole solar cell architeture from scratch to be ultra light, you can just adapt an existing one.

There aren't many problems with the current scope of missions sugessted that can't be 85% fixed by throwing 100t at it

>>15892033
Yes, Hyrdated minerals and Ice in craters

>>15892036
Youre retarded if you think hydrated minerals means anything. the ISP is like 400 in vaccum.

>>15892035
this is what people said about the space shuttle.

>>15892034
>t. Diogenes of Boca Chica

>>15892036
Hydrated minerals are actually a point against water.

>>15892044
For water production? You'd prefer Ice, but you could get it out of hydroxyl groups (As higher conc as 1000ppm). Obviously not optimal but might be necessary if you can't get to a crater.
Could be done with mirrors/npp heating. Not sure how specific impulse comes into this.

>>15892035
I am aware of my optimism, and this is if Starship is actually fully reuseable, unlike Shuttle which I would say is refurbiushable.
Even in a bad scenario (SS expendable, SH reuse) It will still be a paradigm shift, as 250t to LEO per launch would be insane. (Like all of SpaceX's 2022 upmass in 2 launches)

>>15892051

HOLY FUCKING SHIT IT JUST BLEW UP
WTF

APOLLO 23 JUST EXPLODED

>>15892067
Accidents happen

>>15892067
RIP the vested one...and those other guys

when will spacex invent a reusable launch site?

I hate spacex

FULL SCALE LIFE HABITAT

https://x.com/sierraspaceco/status/1729535283329175791?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

>>15891881
Can't wait to do this to Europa

>>15891902
Elon Musk talked to Jeffrey Epstein and showed him his rockets.

>>15892099
this is the station?

>>15892099
aeiou

>>15891949
Fission is not economical. Even France is shutting down their reactors. It's over.

>japanese documentary exposing SpaceX construction techniques
Any idea of where can I find this?

>>15891893
I don't get the benefit. Satellites are so cheap you can just leave them up there, and then once they eventually die (radiation, micrometeors, run out of propellant, etc.) you can send up a replacement, and the replacement can have better sensors/computers. The use case for bringing stuff back to earth has to be tiny, right? It'd just be for little samples of space dust? So the spacedrone would be useful for science, but not really a use case for industry? Or would the tiny satellites do demos of in-space manufacturing like Varda? Won't their business model die as soon as Starship comes online, because Starship can bring massive quantities of stuff back to Earth?

>>15892110
France is shutting down reactors for non-economic foo foo greentard reasons.

>>15891994
>The American founders were exclusively of North West European stock
funny how each immigrant makes huge contributions to America only for native Americans to be useless. The immigrant that will be enableing this moon landing session is Elon Musk

>>15892116
The idea is that you can bring back the hardware to study how it held up in space rather than just guessing based on telemetry.

>>15892068
>One of these specs may possible be a human
It's over for the shuttle

>>15892118
Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin were both of old American stock.

>>15892117
>foo foo greentard reasons
a.k.a we can no longer steal Mali's uranium and USA doesn't let us buy from Russia

>>15891831
If you're looking for me...

>>15892126
They could buy from Canada, Australia, or other African countries just fine.

>>15892126
Nuclearbros... I thought nuclear fuel was cheap and plentiful, yet a superpower like France can't get it...

>>15892134
I want to descent this staricase bros... take a bath in the forbidden pond

I know notices aren't 100% indicative but still, SpaceX planning on IFT-3 this year
https://twitter.com/FccSpace/status/1729516775262331147?t=1Nl_HlD0CnN_rLfN1-NPUQ&s=19

>>15892141
they were planning to land on Mars in 2020, I'm bot gonna be foolish enough to trust them on their word alone.

>>15892110
Not according to the new strike price contracting, with wind costing mroe per MWh than nuclear.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/boost-for-offshore-wind-as-government-raises-maximum-prices-in-renewable-energy-auction

Look at the diff between French and German Electricity prices, and how it is killing German industry.

France is shutting down reactors because they are old (and have delibrately not done maintance because they are due to be decom'ed). Suddently they are finding out that it's expensive and difficult to re-start up a manufacturing industry that you have squandered.

If they had had the politcal will to build a reactor since 1998 they wouldn't be experiencing the delays they have now

>>15892126
Mali Mines fuck all. less than 1% of global production, if that.
>>15892128
Exactly, many suppliers, and as so little is used the end cost of electricity isn't effected all that much

>>15892141
WE ARE GOING

>>15892126
>>15892128
they DO buy from canada, like 80% of their uranium came from canadel, mali was ALWAYS an insignificant part of that so antinuclearnigger just got BTFO.

>>15892153
top zozzle

>>15892153
>>15892150
>>15892126
Kek, just checked Mali has a small deopsit of Uranium, which hasn't yet been exploited.
Someone has been reading too much afrocentric BS online.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium_mining_by_country

>>15891893
>Blackstar
why do they always go with these satanic evil sounding names?

>>15892067
SENPAI has a way of killing off real people so their fictional replacements get the spotlight. Armstrong gets sidelined due to the crash, von Braun gets shitcanned because he was a Nazi, Gene Kranz dies in a pad explosion. The other historical astronauts straight up disappear until Sally Ride shows up for A Very Special Episode.

Try not to think too much about it.

>>15892141
two weeks

>>15892134
they built a breeder reactor for reprocessing spent fuel, but then a Jewish communist (later a Green party politician) shot it up with RPG
he has gotten away with it btw

>>15892160
funniest part is that for the longest time mali DESPERATELY wanted to sell their uranium because they also want to make money, it's just the ridiculous amount of instability has been a huge turnoff for french.\
anyone peddling the exploitation argument is a fucking retarded (and i don't say this lightly) leftard niggercattle who needs to fuck off and die immediately.

>>15892170
>SENPAI
uwu~

>>15892034
Bet you think your reeeaal clever posting that

>>15892176
a bold claim such as this requires a source

>>15892178
holy shit these just keep getting better. look at her breasts, her loose fitting shirt. omg

>>15892179
he is, blorgin's tube is at the same level of "being a rocket" as that empty cardboard tube.

>>15892067
Go back to /tv/

I recently watched a video by Wall Street Journal that says the Deep Space Network is clogged up

>>15892177
Not surprised, would be a good injection of stable cash, and actually provide some stable employment for locals.
I am also not surprised that they fucked it, and no one wants to deal with an unstable mess of a country.
> How dare these Europeans come here and build roads and railways. We shall go our own way like Zimbabwe and South Africa as they have turned into liberated beacons of equal prosperity.

Crab Mindset

>>15892187
I can't visually process what's in those circles? am I retarded? Isn't this supposed to be a retro-reflector. And why haven't we installed retro-reflectors on Mars yet?

>>15892181
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superph%C3%A9nix#Rocket_attack
>Chaïm Nissim (21 November 1949 in Jerusalem[3] – 11 April 2017 in Switzerland[1][2]) was an ecological activist and militant, and a Green politician. He was the perpetrator of a rocket attack on the Superphénix nuclear plant, on 18 January 1982.

>>15892190
Insane. And his dad was a literal bankster Jew.

>>15892187
It is. A big part of why NASA is investing in laser comms is that "just allocate time on the DSN" is starting to be a real bottleneck for returning data from deep space.

>>15892187
Missions jockey for DSN time quite often. The problem gets worse when there's an emergency, like the Capstone recovery or the Voyager shout.

>>15891870
>Why is the exhaust green?
>
>https://x.com/firefly_space/status/1729504909261742435?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ
Firefly's engine (and several others - notably SpaceX Merlin engines, Saturn V's F1 engines) use TEA-TEB, or Triethylaluminum Triethylborane, for the igniter. The high boron content causes a very characteristic green flame at engine startup.

>>15892176
>it's real
kek. i hate them so much

>>15892198
>>15892190
Commies are a genuine threat to humanity at this point.

>Don't like Nuclear "Waste"/Spent fuel, and be a commie/ green mentalist
>Breeder Reactor turns it into enrgy for the people
>Fire RPGs at it
>Oh no we can't use this for power any more, fire up the gas/coal plants

>>15892179
He is objectively clever

>>15892207
Communism is applied Judaism.

>>15891810
>graphene
even more of the meme than Q>1 fusion

>>15892210
no it's not. Do USA and Israel look communist to you?

>>15892214
The US is in fact halfway slid into Communism at this point, focused most strongly in areas with disproportionate Jewish control. Israel has had literal collective farms (kibbutzim) since day one.

>>15892207
I blame the KGB

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/interactive/2023/nasa-moon-missions-landing-blue-origin-artemis/

its interactive

>>15892207
>>15892217
>Ultrajew blows up nuclear plant
>blame commies
>blame KGB
good goys

>>15892219
pretty funny that Washington post is this extremely biased, making these fluff pieces for BO while they shat on SpaceX when they got the contract
lmaoo
its incredible

>>15892225

>>15892224
He probably was KGB. The (((Rosenbergs))) who started the whole damn cold war by giving nuclear technology to the Soviets were Jews.

https://twitter.com/BryceSpaceTech/status/1729305629284552855

> In Q3 2023, @SpaceX had the most orbital launches (26), followed by CASC (12).

>>15892234
these are different each quarter, but SpaceX is so far ahead of everyone else that they look the same

https://twitter.com/wapodavenport/status/1729314886033735741
> Launches are one thing but the upmass continues to be the factor that far and away distinguishes SpaceX. How can anyone compete against them indeed.

>>15892224
I don't think it's (them) as it's in Israel's direct and immediate interest to have a Europe that isn't dependant on Arab/Muslim Oil and Gas, which is why they are pronuclear, plus it gets them Nukes.

>>15892216
US is being hobbled by DEI/ Gay Race Communism. See the FAA now focussing on diversity of applicants for it's Air Traffic Controllers and not, competency (and ignore the near miss stats spiking please)

>>15892238
>>15892234
Upmass is king, almost a full order of magnitude than the rest of the world combined, and profitably at that

>>15892229
>>15892176
Can you recommend me any books on (them)?

fluid hammer

>>15892241
The International Jew, by Henry Ford
Mein Kampf, by Adolf Hitler
STS-51L Challenger report
https://sma.nasa.gov/SignificantIncidents/assets/rogers_commission_report.pdf

>>15891902
How can he consistently get more and more retarded? Just build the fucking rockets

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6YOjVyavTM&t

>>15892266
>le 4chon meme in thumbnail
That's an easy avoid.

>>15892242
why did they put that on the rocket if it was going to be such a big problem?

What's the next step after chemical propulsion?

>>15892266
why do you keep posting these old as fuck videos, this one is 3 years now lmao

>>15892274
solar<chemical<electrical<nuclear thermal<magnetoplasmodynamic<fusion<fission fragment<beamed energy<nuclear detonation-propelled<quantum inertia drive<spacetime warping drive/dark energy engine

>>15892182
It's not AI, a human drew that. AI can't even begin to approach the level of consistency between details in that picture. If an AI drew it, the crosshatched texture would be a vaseline smeared swirl of noise, the suit wouldn't be symmetrical, and the hair would try to turn into clothing.

>>15892278
still as true now as it ever was. its prophetic.

>>15892284
<<<hitching a ride on some rock

We share the solar system with this thing

>>15892284
Based Project ORION appreciator.
What are your thoughts on the Nuclear Salt Water rocket?

>>15892289
>t. stable diffusoid

Space probes really are creating some epic imagery, but ESA and NASA aren't capitalizing enough on this, instead they choose to feed us cgislop

>>15892300
Too complicated for what it is worth. He tries to make it sound simple but really until hot superconductors are invented it really is much more achievable and cost-effective in the long run to figure out how to make a pressure plate that can handle a nuke repeatedly than it is to design a new complex engine like this. Nuclear salt water rockets would work great if made I am sure, but they would also be seen by my grandchildren the same as we view SLS in these threads today. That is, a huge complex over-designed mess of a project designed by people who love making solutions looking for a problem instead of a solution for a problem

>>15892000
Fucking retarded gen X'er thinks that hasnt been the case for him and millenials. Holy shit youre delusional, the last generation to actually want to go to space was the boomers and silent generation who were the ACTUAL drivers of the space race.

>>15892170
wow you weren't wrong
just got to apollo 24 and the fuckup after fuckup
christ

>>15892326
and it just keeps getting worse

>15892324
itt a retarded zoomer whos probably been addicted to porn since he was 10 years old tris to lecture me on generations as if hes more experienced.

>>15892332
projection

cry more zoomie faggot, and take your leftist terms and STICK EM

ITT: zoomers going ZOOMY

>>15892110
It's only cheaper if you're able to fill in the gaps for free. As you account for intermittency, the costs add up fast.

>>15892350
>It's only cheaper if you're able to fill in the gaps for free
I assume you mean the gaps created by the intermittency of solar and wind?

anyway If I'm reading this graph correctly natural gas is cheaper than coal which fails the reality check.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBzg8cbkgjg

> 2nd Tank 10:40 am 11/28/23

Prepare for trouble!

>>15892364
>>15892361
do you not have a life?

>>15892369
fuck you bitch. I have 2 kids and a hooker on speed dial. what do you have?

>>15892371
Money

>>15892318
>There is a different timeline where we popularized nuclear pusher plate space colonization as a method of nuclear disarmament and have already colonized the solar system

It hurts bros

>>15892307
no, AI is still just absolute dogshit no matter what engine you use. the biggest claim to fame they have currently is that they now get the correct number of fingers on a hand more than half of the time, but last I checked even a 3 year old can count to five

>>15892400
damn. i should hire a 3yo to do my product design

>>15892400
That shit was solved months ago, I'd post it but its all porn i've cooked myself.

>>15892400
you WILL worship the AI.

>>15892400
>now get the correct number of fingers
skill issue if you cant get it to gen perfect hands and feet every time. its easy nowadays and will only get better.

Seven-minute hotfire test moves Europe’s Ariane 6 rocket closer to flight
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https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/11/seven-minute-hotfire-test-moves-europes-ariane-6-rocket-closer-to-flight/
> The Ariane 6's inaugural launch, now scheduled for next year, has been delayed repeatedly since ESA approved the new rocket for development in 2014. The test-firing of the Ariane 6 main engine on a launch pad at the Guiana Space Center in South America last week was the most significant test not yet accomplished on the rocket's preflight checklist.
> The test lasted 426 seconds—a little more than seven minutes—while a full-size test model of the Ariane 6 rocket remained on its launch pad. In order for the rocket to actually take off, it would need to light its four strap-on solid-fueled boosters. That was not part of the plan for Thursday's test.
> Thursday's test was nearly a minute shy of the 470-second duration that ESA publicized ahead of time, but officials were satisfied with the result. Several times during the test, the nozzle of the Vulcain 2.1 engine swiveled to exercise the rocket's thrust vector control steering system.
> The Ariane 6 rocket was originally supposed to launch for the first time in 2020, but it's now running four years late. The rocket it will replace, the Ariane 5, made its final flight in July, leaving Europe without a rocket to launch its own space missions. That has prompted ESA and the European Union to look abroad to get spacecraft into orbit. SpaceX, a rival of the European launch service provider Arianespace, has won contracts to launch several ESA missions due to the Ariane 6 delays.

>>15892412
mein Gott...is zat...?

>>15892412
is this the microsoft AI?

Amazon’s Project Kuiper nets first broadband partnership in Asia
---
https://spacenews.com/amazons-project-kuiper-nets-first-broadband-partnership-in-asia/
> TAMPA, Fla. — Japanese satellite operator Sky Perfect JSAT and an investor in the company that also owns telcos in the country have partnered to sell services from Project Kuiper, Amazon’s broadband constellation set to begin launches next year.
> JSAT and Nippon Telegraph and Telephone Corporation said Nov. 28 they will distribute Project Kuiper connectivity on Amazon’s behalf to businesses and government organizations in Japan, and telcos owned by NTT would also be customers to bolster their terrestrial networks.
> The partnership comes a month after the Japanese companies got certified to resell broadband to businesses in the country from Starlink, SpaceX’s low Earth orbit (LEO) constellation already in service with more than 5,000 satellites.
> Amazon envisages more than 3,200 satellites for its LEO system and plans to start deployments en masse in the first half of 2024 now that two Kuiper prototype satellites launched in October have completed testing. Initial services are projected for the second half of 2024, ahead of the company’s first major regulatory deployment deadline to have half the constellation up by July 2026.

>>15892421
Get fffffucked musk!! HAHAHAHA

New RL10 engine to be introduced on Vulcan in 2025
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https://spacenews.com/new-rl10-engine-to-be-introduced-on-vulcan-in-2025/
> WASHINGTON — A new version of a 60-year-old rocket engine, with performance and cost improvements, is expected to make its debut in 2025 on the Vulcan Centaur rocket.
> At a Nov. 27 briefing, executives with United Launch Alliance and Aerojet Rocketdyne, an L3Harris Technologies company, said they expected that the RL10C-X engine, the latest upgrade to the RL10, to make its first flight on a Vulcan launch some time in 2025.
> A major change for the RL10C-X is how it is manufactured. “It relies heavily on additive manufacturing,” said Jim Maus, vice president of program execution and integration at Aerojet. The current RL10 uses additive manufacturing to produce its injector, but the RL10C-X will use additive manufacturing to produce the entire thrust chamber.
> Aerojet has a contracted backlog of “north of 150” RL10 engines, Maus said, including the RL10C-X and older versions. While that backlog is dominated by the ULA order of RL10C-X engines, he said deliveries of the older RL10 design are projected to continue to 2026, with overall RL10 production ramping up from a current 16 to 18 engines a year to 40 a year.
> After the retirement of the Atlas 5 and Delta 4 Heavy, the RL10 will be used by Vulcan as well as the Space Launch System. That rocket’s Interim Cryogenic Propulsion Stage uses a single RL10 while the Exploration Upper Stage (EUS), set to make its debut on Artemis 4 in the late 2020s, will use four RL10 engines. Maus said NASA has yet to decide if will use the new RL10C-X engine on the EUS.
> “We continue to deliver very high reliability, very high performance, and the engine itself is very versatile,” he said. “It’s great to be at 60 years, with a very long and bright future ahead.”

>>15892423
a bit premature don't you think?

>>15892427
Wow! Vulcan just keeps getting better! Named after the planet Vulcan?

>>15892430
It's obviously a harbinger of thing to come. No shortage of smart people who have waited patiently for anyone but Musk. Their patience is being rewarded

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/interactive/2023/nasa-moon-missions-landing-blue-origin-artemis/
>NASA’s next missions to land astronauts on the moon will be markedly different from its last one in 1972. Instead of flying directly to the moon, the spacecraft will be refueled in transit — an innovation that could transform the way humans explore the cosmos.
>In addition to possibly making regular trips to the moon less expensive, in-flight refueling could enable missions deeper into space. NASA is spending billions to help make the technology a reality: Earlier this year, the space agency awarded a $3.4 billion contract to Blue Origin, the venture founded by Jeff Bezos. Previous contracts worth about $4 billion went to Elon Musk’s SpaceX, which is scheduled to fly the first two missions later this decade, with Blue Origin to follow.
>But while SpaceX intends to refuel its massive Starship in low Earth orbit with a fleet of tanker spacecraft, Blue Origin proposes something different: a reusable lunar lander that will stay in orbit around the moon between trips to the lunar surface. The company also is working on a refueling spacecraft it calls a cislunar transporter that will carry fuel from Earth orbit to lunar orbit, where it will link up with the lander. (Bezos owns The Washington Post.)
kek

>>15892435
Incedible work by Jeff Bezos (and his team)

>>15892400
>AI has minor flaws
>Call it ABSOLUTE DOGSHIT because the only way people pay attention to you is if you exaggerate

>>15892118
All North Americans were immigrants too
Elon Musk is of same genetic stock

>>15892440
Elon Musk is native American?

And make it tripple!

>>15892423
he will never get fucked and you'll never get that satisfaction. you'll still seethe in your old days, just like thunderfaggot, and still no closure

>>15892450
that is a big tank

>>15892431
60 years and great future to come

>>15892458
>>15892458
>>15892458
>>15892458

>>15892412
then why did it leave space for a sixth toe, huh?

>>15892427
How long could an RL10C-X last on a reusable spacecraft with hydrologgs depots?

Firefly to launch a Lockheed Martin satellite antenna demonstration, Space Development Agency satellites in low Earth orbit successfully broadcast data
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https://spacenews.com/firefly-to-launch-a-lockheed-martin-satellite-antenna-demonstration/
> WASHINGTON — The next launch by Firefly Aerospace, scheduled for December, will be an electronically steerable antenna payload designed by Lockheed Martin for a technology demonstration.
> Lockheed Martin in June announced it awarded Firefly a contract to launch a small satellite. The company on Nov. 27 disclosed it is launching a spacecraft of just under 300 pounds carrying a newly designed electronically steerable antenna. The payload was integrated on a Terran Orbital Nebula bus.
---
https://spacenews.com/new-military-satellites-in-low-earth-orbit-successfully-broadcast-data/
> SDA’s Tranche 0 satellites made by York Space established a space-to-ground Link 16 connection
> SDA is a U.S. Space Force organization building a space data network — called the Proliferated Warfighter Space Architecture — that includes a transport layer and a missile-tracking sensor layer. The agency aims to deploy an internet in space that can move data from satellite to satellite, and pass information to military systems on the ground, at sea and in flight.
> Charles Beames, executive chairman of York Space, said the successful Link 16 demonstration is a “big deal,” akin to the first time a cell phone connected to a cell tower and back. Once the Link 16 network is integrated in the Transport Layer’s laser communication backbone, “warfighters will have assured global communications,” Beames said.

https://twitter.com/peterrhague/status/1729553909801189428

>>15892435
What

>>15892438
If you tell it "I want three clones of Taylor Swift exploring each other's bodies" it's an absolute crapshoot how many you'll actually get. It doesn't understand numbers at all.

>>15891758
The uniform is fine. The problem is it's only ever worn by disgusting shapeless mutts.

>>15892474
This is why Starship makes a great space station. Just launch it in one piece instead of 20 autistic Shuttle launches.

>>15892002
https://twitter.com/BellikOzan/status/1729610908417364173

Should I buy it?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/322545625759

>>15892524
Yes, those things are fun. I have one I bought on Amazon in my window.

>>15892474
https://youtu.be/S_p7LiyOUx0?t=59
makes me think space poledancers are gonna be a big thing in the future.

>>15892568
Space tourism might be more popular than people realize when the general image is of sitting in a small pod, perhaps watching outside from a small window

>>15892546
Do you think it's gonna lose it's vacuum over time? I'm looking to buy something for a friend

>>15892574
>Do you think it's gonna lose it's vacuum over time?
My chemistry teacher in high school had one that was like 30 years old and still worked. As long as the glass is solid it'll be fine.

ESA’s Long-Serving CryoSat Satellite Avoids Early End to its Mission
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https://europeanspaceflight.com/esas-long-serving-cryosat-satellite-avoids-early-end-to-its-mission/
> The European Space Agency has avoided an early end to its CryoSat mission after a fuel leak was detected aboard the satellite.
> CryoSat was launched aboard a Dnepr rocket from Baikonur in April 2010. The satellite’s mission is dedicated to measuring the thickness of polar ice and monitoring ice sheets that blanket Antarctica and Greenland.
> After an investigation, experts at Airbus and ESA pinpointed the location of a fuel leak in one of the satellite’s small attitude thrusters. The leak was initially small but increased over the years until it reached a stable rate that would have, if nothing had been done about it, brought an end to CryoSat’s mission by 2025.
> As of 2023, the satellite has 13 kilograms of propellant left, which is 13 kilograms less fuel than it should have based on the use of its thrusters. When the fuel drops below 5 kilograms, the satellite will no longer be able to remain in stable orbit.

Ariane 6 Upper Stage Upgrade Passes First Testing Milestone
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https://europeanspaceflight.com/ariane-6-upper-stage-upgrade-passes-first-testing-milestone/
> The European Space Agency and MT Aerospace have successfully completed an initial test campaign of a fuel tank that will be utilized aboard an upgraded Ariane 6 upper stage.
> With the aim of increasing the performance of the Ariane 6 launch vehicle, work on the Innovative Carbon ARiane Upper Stage (Icarus) began in May 2019. The stage will be lighter than the standard Ariane 6 upper stage that will initially be used aboard the vehicle when it is debuted in 2024. The reduced weight will enable the rocket to offer a greater payload capacity.
> Testing of the hydrogen tank for Phoebus is expected to begin in 2024. This will then be followed by testing of a full-scale structural demonstrator of the upper stage in 2025.

>>15892521
https://twitter.com/BellikOzan/status/1729617004548469058

>>15892606
HLS Starship enabled tech allows for NASA to do a boots-on-mars style mission that is within standard ISS mission lengths and within NASA radiation limits

>>15891758
Something between Coast Guard and Nazi uniforms but with a white and orange color scheme instead of black and red.

>>15891744
They're part of the Department of the Air Force so their uniforms are going to take some style hints from USAF uniforms, especially the necktie.
The Space Force camo uniforms make me laugh but they're nowhere as dumb as the Navy's water camo.

>>15892619
they should have a space camo uniform which is pajamas with stars on them

>>15892417
>non-reusable rockets

Whats the fucking point?

>>15891914
>Chinese individuals' preference for saving in real estate
There's nothing else to invest in

>>15892622
Should have been rogg coloured to blend in with roggs

>>15892622
How about lunar pjs?

>>15892176
>Hitler calls nuclear physics jewish science
>jews hate nuclear more than anyone else
What was meant by this?

>>15892642
>Hitler calls nuclear physics jewish science
his blind hate lost him the war. no wonder he killed himself

looks like based jeff is going to win after all

>>15892649
Elon showed his rocket factory to Jeffrey Epstein, meanwhile Bezos showed his rocket factory to Lex Fridman

>>15892624
Geopolitics/military shit. They need SOME domestic heavy lift if they don't want to be Elon's bitch forever.

>>15892643
He was ALMOST right about the evils of judenphysicke, but he should have been focusing on general relativity instead of quantum mechanics. QM/QED was largely developed by white men, GR was (((Einstein))) and (((Minkowski)))'s baby.

It's a really weird coincidence that France started colonizing one of the best places for orbital launches on the planet back in the 1500s. It got put to marginal uses over the centuries but in general consumed more resources than it provided. Then the space age arrived in the mid 20th century and, WOW!, France has this plot of land near the equator with large open seas to the east. Quite nice for them and for Europe, which has no naturally high quality launch sites.

>>15892649
>>15892650
your constant faggotry is annoying. stop shitting up the thread

>>15892654
The UK and Netherlands also had territory in the same area; they just weren't autistic enough to cling to it.

>>15892661
and of course Spain had just a bit of territory in the area until the 1800s

>>15892652
Why did white men decide to develop QM while Jews decided to develop GR?

>>15892650
This anon speaks nothing but truth

>>15892666
Quantum physics solves real problems and GR is a bunch of mental masturbation that needs constant "fitting" to work.

>>15892666
>>15892672
delusional

>india's air force is undergoing a change to become an air and space force
https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/chandigarh/iafs-redesignation-air-space-force-will-air-chief-marshal-bhadauria-9041011/

looks like more countries are joining the space warfare bandwagon. spaceflight continues to grow in many ways.

While we're on the topic of relativity, I don't get how going faster than light automatically necessitates traveling back in time.
Imagine you're on a space station around Earth and you're looking at Mars. There's a ship in orbit around Mars which you are watching. The ship activates its whatever FTL drive and travels to Earth orbit, right next to you. Now you can see the ship right next to you and the ship in orbit of Mars. Obviously the ship is not actually at Mars anymore. If you were to send a signal or something to it, nothing would happen, because it's no longer there. However, to my understanding, relativity says that since you can see both of them at once that it means there actually are two of them in existence at the same time and that the one right next to you traveled back in time.
I feel like I'm almost certainly misunderstanding something here, because that just seems like a completely silly assertion.

>>15892683
not spaceflight related

>fedposting hours on sfg
>No mention of the Mormon connection

They keep getting away with it.

>>15892683
If you go ftl sufficiently far and fast, do a regular delta-v maneuver when you get there, then ftl back, it's possible to arrive before you left because the delta-v maneuver alters the plane of simultaneity.
In practice though you don't have to do this, or perhaps if you tried you'd run into your own wake in such a way that you'd be destroyed. It doesn't automatically rule out ftl.

>>15892663
Yes, plenty of European powers had territory in South America but France was the one to hold onto it and it just so happens that tiny patch of clay makes for an excellent spaceport? I'm not suggesting /x/ but ok, /x/.

>>15892690
>it's possible to arrive before you left because the delta-v maneuver alters the plane of simultaneity.
How so?

>>15892689
What's the Mormon connection? I know though that a significant number of moon astronauts were freemasons. Anyway how is this fedposting

>>15892689
>>No mention of the Mormon connection
Does >>15891749 count?

>>15892683
>I feel like I'm almost certainly misunderstanding something here, because that just seems like a completely silly assertion.
It's basically a bunch of people shouting "NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T DO THAT!" because raising the possibility of effects preceding causes makes scientists cry. The recent physics nobel for proving that nonlocal causes of observed events are possible means that this assertion has been deboonked and FTL is back on the table whether through GR or QI or something else.

>>15892692
It's not /x/, it's the French national character to collect a bunch of tiny colonies in random places for prestige to own le brits. They have a colony in the St. Lawrence river, for example. They just got lucky with Korou being actually useful.

>>15892694
That's what different reference frames do. If you're moving relative to someone else, your version of "now" a very great distance away is different than theirs. Time dilation and length contraction are both consequences of this fact.

>>15891998
Woah, Starship is a Mars rocket!?!??!?
Well I guess this guy says you can do Starship Mars missions without in situ refueling. But like, why. The whole point is to colonize and set up infrastructure. Why expend this much brain power to turn it into a flags and footprints operation?

>>15892704
>The recent physics nobel for proving that nonlocal causes of observed events are possible
Yeah, this is another thing. Relativity just seems to get weaker and weaker with every passing day.

>>15892718
I can't wait for your cope when the QI tape-outgassing satellite does absolutely nothing

>>15892714
I think its mostly to demonstrate what the architecture is capable of

>>15892721
There's not going to be any cope. It'll just be forgotten so hard it might be mistaken for a room temperature superconductor.

>>15892689
Tick tock Musk

>>15892689
And this is where I'd put my core stage. IF I HAD ONE!

>>15892714
>Why expend this much brain power to turn it into a flags and footprints operation
It would be based, and even a relatively short stay would accomplish a lot. But yeah, isru would just be so much more efficient and is probably more feasible than whatever 30 launch mission profile he's cooked up.

fluid hammer

liquid banger

>>15892721
>non-sequitur

why werent you chosen for dearest moon?

>>15892704
>France taking territory and not throwing it away like all the other retarded European powers is le bad because it makes the brits mad
lol
lmao

>>15892726
>EDS

>>15892699
Mormon Thiokol's SRBs, the shittiest design of all proposals, were awarded the shuttle contract for being the lowest bidder and under duress from the Mormon deep state in Wasatch. They were the only design that had to be shipped to the cape in segments on a train... segments=o rings. Mormons did Challenger.

https://youtu.be/fQ3PIW3cqKc
must watch for any Tony Bruno / Vulcan BE4 fans

>15892772
>posting proven to be delusional SLS twitter stans in this general for (You)s
kys

>>15892721
It works in vacuum chambers. Why wouldn't it work on orbit?

ouamuamua interstellar object is gone now but just as a thought exercise: design a mission to land a probe on it

>15892780
>asserting that hes proven to be delusional without evidence
kys

>>15892795
avi loeb already did, and discovered alions

>>15891758
>>15891744
Probably something akin to this jacket might do.
Old fashioned, yes, but the collar gap is not an
issue and they can futurize it from there.

ULA is an American icon, we cant let them die

SpaceX can't be allowed to have a monopoly. They should be broken up if need be.

>>15892804
Maybe they should be working on booster recovery then.

>>15892782
>It works in vacuum chambers
By outgassing tape
>Why wouldn't it work on orbit?
Tape ran out
It would need a tape depot

>>15891777
>high collar.
Full mandarin.

>>15892807
they are SMART

>>15892806
A natural monopoly is entirely permissible.

>>15892809
That was Tajmar's bad-on-purpose design, not a capacitor-plate drive like all post 2019 QI thrusters.

>>15892814
Any link to the new work? I never liked Tajmar

>>15892812
SMART is not smart. Relatively inexpensive, but not a good architecture. The real problem the traditional aerospace primes still have is leveraging whatever theoretical capacity a partial or fully reusable architecture of their own possesses.

>>15892815
Here's the paper that established the design. IVO's thruster, the one on orbit now, is a direct descendant; so is the work McCulloch is doing on his own to improve N/We efficiency.

>>15892807
LMAO at you. Booster recovery only saves SpaceX 10 million out of 62 million launch cost, as per THEIR OWN NUMBERS

>>15892821
>>>/trash/

>>15892819
Thanks will read

>>15892822
Your response other than feelings?
62 mil non reusable, 50 mil reusable costs

>>15892816
no demand

>>15892826
Which means as soon as someone who builds rockets can internally generate their own demand for fully reusable launch vehicles, there is no business case for their entire enterprise.

>>15892824
You're a very stupid man if you think pricing directly corresponds to internal costs. We know from SpaceX's own numbers that the marginal reflight cost is $18 million.

>>15892829
LMAOOOOOOOOO

>>15892821
I understand you're trolling, I do a good bit of it myself, but actually the marginal cost of a F9 launch is less than $15 million. Just don't want any newfag retards watching you and getting the wrong idea :)

>>15892832
>I understand you're trolling
It is not trolling. It is an unironic SLS / ULA/ BO stan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ3PIW3cqKc

IT'S UP

pure kino.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSftIaLhQzE

>>15892772
is he wrong?

>>15892809
we need to invent reusable tapes

>>15892795
Assuming a decade or two of advanced notice: using Starship with orbital refueling, put a really large probe into a Venus transfer and then get multiple gravity assists, ultimately putting the orbit out past jupiter, then do a massive inclination change so as to match the object at its perihelion. Then burn to match its velocity and land.

Without significant advanced notice you'd need an utterly absurd amount of dv. Maybe build a huge fuel depot/transfer stages capable of giving a small payload ~100 km/s at a Earth/Sun lagrange point and then wait for one to show up

>>15892838
By default

>>15892834
No it's not you gullible retard

>>15892835
I already posted this

>>15891935
lmao shut the fuck up

>>15892836
>4 year old video

>>15892846
>>15891935
He was the guy lmfaoooooo

>>15892835

>>15892854
what an ugly piece of shit redditor

>>15892846
Why does Mueller have an exceptionally large head compared to his shoulder width?

Elon musk doesnt do anything. i cant imagine it, it's not possible, i hate him too much for that to ever be possible.
Gwynne shotwell does EVERYTHING at spacex. she a girl and the boss, girlboss, badass woman, she is the brains and succeeds at everything DESPITE elon shitlicker moron musk i HATE HIM I HATE HIM I HATE HIM

>>15892848
the original starship video is like 7 years old

>15892861
extremely low quality post

>>15892854

>>15892867
1 billion per year for existing lmao

>>15892835
mfw new eagerkino

>>15892865
No need to get mad!

I'm glad that ULA gets a 60% share, they deserve it.

>>15892795
Start with a Falcon Heavy launching in fully expended mode with an extended payload fairing . You use that to put your probe a GTO-equivalent elliptical orbit while stacked on top of a Castor 30XL booster. Lighting the Castor can get a 500 kg of payload up to solar escape velocity plus about 2.5km/s going in whatever direction you want.

That's great, but since Oumuamua.left traveling at solar escape +5km/s that's not actually going to let you catch up to it. To do that you're going to need the biggest ion sustainer engine ever and you're going to need to aim the probe inwards instead of outwards. Dipping in past the orbit of Mercury will let you get ten times the power out of standard solar arrays than you would get at 1AU. That'll put a lot more pep in the big Oberth maneuver you're pulling off and it lets you launch with conventional tech instead of trying to squeeze a reactor license out of Washington. The final probe design will weigh a bit more than 500 kg, but the slingshot makes up for it.

Then it's just a matter of catching up to the rock and landing on it using standard NASA RTG hypergolic built by JPL bullshit.

>>15892854
I like it when he interacts with clear on twitter

>>15892877
>>15892854
we are posting in a blessed thread. ula chads are feeling good about be-4

>>15892854

>>15892885
I hate commercial potimized low energy launchers. Felon Musk wants to 'go to mars' with a low energy leo transporter and its fucking hilarious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmjQxtFJfdY
> Quick Explainer: The Starship Deluge System

>>15892885
HIGH ENERGY

OPTIMIZED

>when I see an unoptimized rocket

BE-4 uprating is inevitable and likely will blow the shit out of Raptor. Remember, the basic least powerful BE-4 is 2.4MN thrust. Raptor is still not acheiving that in production, barely 2.3MN.
Uprating BE-4 could send it screaming past 3MN of thrust, and sets up New Armstrong to acheive absolute gargantuan size, minimum 12m but possible up to 18m diameter.

>>15892885
>Climbs to LEO
>Transits from LEO

>>15892652
his experiment was sent up a few weeks ago right?

where's the data?

>>15892885
> Vulcan is nice for high energy or planetary missions if the payload is on the light side, but can't compete with Falcon Heavy for big payloads

>>15892110
France is an African country.
The French are not a spacefaring nation.

>>15892885
Exactly why Starship will never launch a single government payload. Think: would you rather ride a public bus to space or a limo?

>>15892898
both falcon and heavy work for GTO and GEO, neither is clearly automatically better as it depends on the specific mission

>>15892905
I mean both Falcon and Vulcan

>>15892895
Lets just say hes ready to rope.

Starship needs to refill in LEO 16 times to reach GEO

>>15892895
they lost communication before it could be proven one way or another

>>15892905
lmaooo

>>15892115
No idea what exactly you're looking for, but I found this:
スペースXの「ものづくり」の特徴は?何がすごいのか?
https://10mtv.jp/pc/content/detail.php?movie_id=4598
It seems to have 7 episodes

>>15892909
YOURE FUCKING WRONG, IT TAKES 4 REFUELINGS TO LAND ON THE FUCKING LUNAR SURFACE BITCH

>>15892898
Capacity is a minimum, not an optimum. If Falcon Heavy is the cheaper option, the ability of other rockets to more closely meet the mission requirements is irrelevant.

>>15892841
>using Starship with orbital refueling
No, using Super Heavy with orbital refueling.
Imagine at pericythe, when all 33 raptors light up and thrust like absolute hell.
Peak Oberthmaxxing.

>>15892893
A BE-4 is more than twice the size of a Raptor, that they produce comperable thrust is just embarrassing for BO.

>>15892739
god, this parody is so ham handed. There is no way they'd pick a youtuber like Tim Dodd for this mission!

>>15892909
It really triggers people with EDS when they find out how much Starship can deliver to GTO without refueling.

SpaceX Acquires Parachute Maker Pioneer Aerospace for $2.2 Million

https://www.theinformation.com/articles/spacex-acquires-parachute-maker-pioneer-aerospace-for-2-2-million

don't have access to the article and archive doesnt seem to work, but I guess they just acquired their supplier that was about to go bankrupt

>>15892929
how much is it?

>>15892939
0T

>>15892784
what is it about the N1 that tricks artists into drawing the full stack in space? you don't see the same with shuttle or saturn V or any other rocket really.

>>15892772

>>15892928
They did pick him though

The chinks will land their Apollo-style lunar lander by 2030 while ScamX and ULA try to figure out refueling.

>>15892943
the first time was just retardation. the second time was copycat retardation

>>15892949
thats not possible

>>15892953
True. its just embarassing retardation and corporate grift at this point by both SpaceX and ULA

>>15892214
Does Karl Marx look Jewish to you?

>>15892953
>refueling
it will be easy. the hard part is getting a new rocket to have any respectable cadence.
it has taken years with falcon and nobody else has done it.
>>15892962
you're a retard

>>15892945
Topkek yup

>>15892967
>respectable cadence
it's been "operational" for less than a year and already has like 5x the cadence of SLS

/sfg/ is going to get really bad in here when Blue Glenn/Vulcan succeeds

>>15892241
Daemonologie, In Forme of a Dialogue, Divided into three Books: By the High and Mighty Prince, James &c.
https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/25929/pg25929-images.html