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Why can no one on the internet ever explain what magnetism actually is?

Electric force is easy it's moving electroncs and chargers etc

but no one ever can explain what magnetism is and how it works, why some materials have it. why you can't just build some infinity machine with magnets in a vacuum and so on

the best answer I get is "It's just one of the forces"... yeah like I know that

>> No.15887901

It isn't plausible to explain, but the sum of all action negates this negativity and there is a positive side to the existence of magnets.

>> No.15887902
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What the fuck is an electromagnetic field?

>> No.15887905

>>15887898
Your question doesn't mean anything, it's just a linguistic vomit

>> No.15887906

In other words, magnets are a double-negative which are in-containment, with an antipodal positive side.

>> No.15887909
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>>15887905
let me explain so even an autist like you visting a vietnamese frog racing breed forum can understand:

1) What is magnetism and why is it one of for forces

2) What does it "come from"? Is the energy somehow "used" when using an iron magnet? How can you see that?

>> No.15887916

>>15887909
magnetism makes more sense than an electromagnetic field
like, you get magnets and they work weird but that's fine because it's here on earth so it makes sense how it works
but then you get stuff like an electromagnetic field that literally exists everywhere and it's just like, what?
what does an electromagnetic field even consist of? it's some type of gay invisible thing that is all around the universe and allows for mega faggot things like light to travel across great distances. You've got stuff like cosmic background radiation that's also literally everywhere, but you can explain that through saying something like, oh well yeah there was this massive explosion and stuff so now there's a bunch of radioactivity all over the place and it's like ok that's weird but I guess it makes sense.
What the fuck created this electromagnetic field? Do explosions create electromagnetic fields? I don't think it does, so how does it even exist?

>> No.15887922

A toon shape made out of solar equipment and engines. A toon shape is rubbing/expanding, it fits abstractly into space to achieve this. That's my explanation for the field.

>> No.15887924

A toon shape like a musical three-crossing-lineform, cube. Basically there is a logical reason, it's not all highly creative. However it would imply that thing *could* just be a pseudo kind of simulation...

>> No.15887925
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15887925

Magnetic field - magnet made of air/solar force. How? Toon sort of shape mechanism naturally occuring.

>> No.15887934

It is all about general relativity. Magnetism is the electric force generated by the contraction of space time because of the speed the electrons are moving. This contraction makes that region of space a little bit more eletric charged, this difference of potential generates a force, this force is the magnetic force.

>> No.15887940

>>15887934
can magnetism ever "run out"?

>> No.15887949

>>15887940
It would be possible for this all to be a pseudo kind of simulation because things with magnetic fields could be theorized to be cut off from the rest of the universe and things can be injected through them from external verses. They are self supporting. Universe-incarnates mimicking what the universe does to keep things going (expansion, etc). There's no reason this segment of the universe can't fall off and exist on its own. There's no reason to suggest that those far away stars we see aren't just products of locale or a matrix of magnetism.

>> No.15887955

>>15887949
why can't we buy infinite power magnetic batteries then?

>> No.15887957

>>15887955
It's probably possible in a different circumstance. In my opinion this simulation is broken, there's lots to suggest there's something wrong with it (for our eye, our experiences). Had it not been broken like I suggest, you would be able to.

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>>15887898
Bro just unironically asked how magnets work

>> No.15887993

And if what I said was true, there's a way to interact with things and play the technician. If you know how to fix the broken simulation, your task is to first become technician apt, and then understand how to fix it. You can do any technician works such as upgrades, etc.

We know round about how magnetism is - what tool exactly do we need to tinker with the simulation?

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15887997

Someone may just release a super virus through the magnetic field or you may spawn anti matter somewhere on Earth. Lots of NPCs around - why not?

>> No.15888011

>>15887997
Right. I know how. I'm doing that now... Go-to WorldofVard, Twitter, to get the latest updates on this matter.

>> No.15888025

>>15887898
>why some materials have it
That's because of how their molecules do or don't align. The details are beyond the scope of 4channel posts. You're going to have to read a book eventually.
>can't just build some infinity machine with magnets in a vacuum
Energy conservation. Magnets aren't magic and air resistance isn't the only form of "drag". Further details are beyond the scope of a 4channel post.
Buy some copper blocks/tubing and a couple of strong magnets if you're so interested.

Some things require effort to understand, OP.

>> No.15888089

>>15887940
Naively, you could say that magnetism runs out if the movement of the charged particles stops. But that is simply not true, this is because magnetism is a average property of a volume of space and by nature of averages, the mechanism on how this is achieved can vastly differ. Consider for example a molecule, because of the structure of the "fixed" charges, the electrons will travel faster in some regions than another, so it will be more electrically charged in some regions. Now consider a block made of these molecules. The magnetic property of this block will be the sum of the individual contributions of these molecules. If the macrostructure of the material allows for the difference of velocity of electrons in some parts of the block, the block will be said magnetic. If not , it isn't, even though the molecules are.
Now consider the magnetic field of earth. It is generated by the convection movement of molten rock. If for some reason it stops, the earth will lose its magneticity. You could say that a electron will lose its magneticity if it is cooled to absolute zero, but this violates the uncertainty principle.

>> No.15888097

>>15887898
This is easy, I'll explain it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO0r930Sn_8

>> No.15888164

>>15887898
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFAOXdXZ5TM

>> No.15888301

>>15888089
i still dont get where it "comes from"

>> No.15888308

>>15888097
he is even a worse autist than me lol.

>> No.15888318

>>15887968
begone zoomer

>> No.15888320

>>15888301
If you put one sheet of paper above another sheet of paper and pull really fast you create a pressure differential causing the paper to rise, same principle just with electricity, of course explaining "what" the underlying energy is made out of is impossible with our tools, we just don't know

>> No.15888331

>>15887898
Dude we don't know SHIT
With physics we try to guess why and how shit happens in nature.
In some cases we don't know the why and in some cases we don't know the how.

>> No.15888332

>>15888308
It made some sense though. Shit like anecdotes is given to someone without formal knowledge as a way to understand what's happening via comparison. There's obviously no good equivalent of magnetism. If you don't know the minute details, then there's no easy way for someone with the proper knowledge to explain it.

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>> No.15888356

>>15887909
yes
next question plz

>> No.15888368

>>15888301
If you really want, you may say that it "comes from" the kinetic energy of charged particles. The movement contracts space-time, this contracted region is more electrically charged, this generates a difference of potential that is observed as eletric force and called magnetic force.

>> No.15888377

>>15887898
Electrons are attracted to protons and vice-versa
Magnetic materials have unpaired electron orbitals (paramagnetic) which means that the electrons spin in a way that creates a positive and negative magnetic side. That means the plus side (more proton influence) attracts the negative (more electron influence) when materials are brought together. When the electrons are paired, the spins cancel out because electrons must spin in opposite directions

>> No.15888382

>>15888335
what book does this come from?

>> No.15888384

>>15888335
>>15888382
I feel like I should be able to tell offhand but I can't tell if it's Griffiths or Feynman.
I bring shame upon my famiry.