/sci/ - Science & Math

Any word on the reason stage 2 blew up yet?

>>15874837
For now our best bet is some sort of depressurization and oxygen leak which caused the flight computer to decide to FTS early as it wasn’t going to make it’s intended trajectory

JANNNNYYYY HE DID IT AGAIN

Holy shit you fucking retard did you not see the messages that said every other /sfg/ splinter was deleted?? That janny was literally in the thread and deleted every splinter thread as it was staged??? Yes, you did but youre just fucking baiting and ruining our threads for no reason. Is that you Noa? Are you still impotently seething? Actually, I know its you because you made the launch thread which had a hidden starfox logo in it and it has the exact same fucking set up as this one does in the OP. Absolute fucking tumor.

Posting Europa in real thread

Launch has been over for a while, it's time for you to go back

>>15874888
I want to thrust into this with a hot a steaming nuclear rod.

>>15874852
What are the chances a vacuum raptor did an STS-93 reenactment?

>>15874913
apparently with MMRTGs on some hypothetical European rover, there is a real concern that in some accident it could melt all the way down to the ocean.

T - 00:01:00

>>15874920
>humanity's first interaction with alien life is dropping hot plutonium on it

DÉCOLLAGE!

exceptionally kino picture

>>15874903
That pic desperately needs an update. With every word being tranny potentially.

>>15874864
Fuck off faggot, i actually waited the right time to stage, i’m not the schizo who’s been splitting /sfg/ the past couple days.

>>15874872
I don’t give a fuck, ALL of these fucking early stage threads are void and i don’t fucking care, faggots who stage early need to learn their fucking place and understand that the ONLY thread that will be used is the one thats made after previous one hits page 10

>>15874852
That sounds like just a wild guess, unless I missed some new information that came out recently.
The destruction of stage 1 has some plausible explanations, but it seems like the rationale for cutting short the stage 2 test is still probably a mystery.

https://blogs.nasa.gov/webb/2023/09/12/webb-confirms-accuracy-of-universes-expansion-rate-measured-by-hubble-deepens-mystery-of-hubble-constant-tension/
>Webb Confirms Accuracy of Universe’s Expansion Rate Measured by Hubble, Deepens Mystery of Hubble Constant Tension

>>15874924
All these planets are yours, except Europa. We've seen you dump nuclear fuel into the ocean on Enceladus and we don't like it.

Engines being installed now on next booster

>>15874935
Agree, we shouldn't incentivize early stagers by posting in those threads.

>>15874927
Saturn is sooo fucking ugly, it should be blown up!

>>15874935
This. Check your staging.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJJQPYfcHws

>>15874950
whens the next launch

What do you think the DoD has planned for Starship?

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRmImCKEVmc
Rotating small LEO space station, up to 1g gravity, only 42 Starship launches, yes or no?

>>15874959
no spin stabilization?

>>15874960
Probably could be built in pairs and counterrotate, would need some active stabilization mechanism still, albeit.

I read that the chinks have powerpoint plans to build space solar power.
If they copy starship then pursue that scheme it will be amazing because there will be an actual space race on again, and this time with major economic consequences. I expect the DOD to find 1 trillion of a solar megaconstellation as soon as China starts building one.
Chinks landing on the Moon would have similar effect but unfortunately I think they will leave that to happen on the 100th annieversary of the founding of the PRC in october 2049

>>15874965
they should just start launching mirrors into space and renting them out like a timeshare

>>15874954
two weeks

>>15874965
How would you transmit the power down to Earth?

>>15874965
>powerpoint plans
Even Spacex's powerpoint rockets (MCT, ITS, BFR) will never happen. I need to see actual physical stuff being built to believe anything.

>>15874970
microwaves. space based solar power is basically WMDs in space.

>>15874954
Elon's preliminary estimate is that they'll be ready in 3 to 4 weeks. No other datapoints are available.

>>15874975
have they made any statements since the launch? where did they explain what happened to the upper stage?

I think an Europan submarine is feasible,
Use a nuclear energy source to produce heat to melt through the 20km ice crust, and to power the submarine. Communication works through sonar, the sonar waves travel through the water and ice, and get picked up by a surface relay, which then converts it to radio waves and sends it to Earth. I'm not sure how long it would take to melt through the ice crust, we can make the following estimate, the submarine is a cylindrical shape with a radius of 0.15m. So to get to the ocean it basically has to melt a 15cm bore of length of 20km. The volume of the ice to be melted is 1413 cubic meters. melting 1g of ice take 334 joules, melting 1kg of ice takes 334 kJ, melting 1000kg of ice (~1 cubic meter) takes 334 MJ. So melting 1413 cubic meters of ice takes 471942 MJ. This heat is generated by a 2 kW source in 235.971.000 seconds = 7.5 years. This calculation does not take into account the heat needed to bring ice to it's melting point and the inefficiency associated with this process, for example the submarine will also heat the side of the bore which is basically wasted heat. But we can play with the setup here a little bit, for example maybe the submarine can be thinner or the nuclear source stronger. And Europa Clipper will Characterize the thickness of the crust and at some points the crust is thinner, perhaps only 5km, the submarine could be deployed there. Other issues include survivability of the surface relay in the high radiation environment of the surface of Europa. Personally I think many interesting instruments fit inside a 10 cm diameter cylinder: Cameras, temperature sensors, spectrometers, lights, electronics, propulsion, sonar. And also consider that there is a long history of NASA MMRTG powered missions lasting a long time. This submarine would only have a few moving parts. No reason it couldn't work for decades.

>>15874977
That's a no to both. They've posted some spectacular footage, though

Repostan in the new thread: What's the best name for Australia's first lunar rover?
>https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-20/live-updates-australia-moon-rover-names-shortlist-public-vote/103044826

>>15874965
I don't see how that could ever be feasible, maybe with mirrors as some other anon said but that could also be used as a weapon.

Bless the Admin and His administration.
Bless the coming and going of Him.
May His passage cleanse /sfg/ of improper staging.
May He keep the world for His anons.

Launch pad damage comparison between IFT-1 and 2.

all those other stages were radial, and of fuel tanks, no less. Not real stages.

>15874986
well done spaye sex and elmo muskrate for INVENTING... *drumroll please*... REUSABLE LAUNCH PADS!

>>15874986
gonna be as good as new after a good rain

>>15874980
What's the cloud thats "venting" (?) from Super Heavy?

>>15874991
didn't you hear, rain is a destructive environmental catastrophe in boca chica. Spacex will be sued to hell if that's allowed on their watch.

>>15874993
There's still (unavoidably) propellants in the engines at shutdown, which flows out of the engine as cold gas.

So there will be no FAA or FWS investigation this time?

>>15875008
SpaceX does anomaly investigation with FAA oversight. They "submit" paper to FAA. FAA reviews the findings and the implementation of the fixes. It approves the next flight. All in all, they get real time feedback from FAA on if there were any procedures they missed.

>>15874980
I think that's the most beautiful rocket footage I've ever seen

How did twitter decide to leak most of L2 before /sfg/? I think they're planning on releasing more through a torrent.
https://twitter.com/AstroEvada/status/1726449359376859167?t=zmxW4JNnOYgYZClCMLAFbQ&s=19

Yay, another starlink launch. I wonder how much it costs them to build a F9 second stage.

>>15874980
The booster inner engines relighting two by two <3

>>15875023
Holy based. Lots of early Apollo-Saturn kino.

>>15875023
God damn. I'm seriously happy that SpaceX is recording all of their Starship launches with IMAX cameras, film is so fucking superior.

>>15874982
Those are so lame

bugchaser bros...
https://spacenews.com/sierra-space-lays-off-165-in-workforce-realignment/

>>15875030
It has some pros over digital. Like not needing rolling shutter correction for close views.

>>15874982
Kakirra sounds the best, although I consider abo languages a joke.

>>15875023
because the 'leaks' are just shit that is public domain and buried deep in nasa archives online. It's just that los dos autists collate the more interesting things they pull out. It's like complaining about somebody putting an old game behind a paywall when they just grabbed it off archive.org like anyone else could

>>15875028
>no smoking
Imagine.

who will win? elon musk or yi lon ma?

>>15874936
the interface on the stream showed that LOx started dropping faster than LMe before the end, probably a leak of some kind. in terms of the booster, there's a brief moment where the ship's thrust pushes down on the booster and it decelerates faster than 1g, meaning potential fuel sloshing and feed issues

>>15875067
too close to call.

>>15874980
What's really cool about this is that you can see the SL raptors on S25 were gimballed away on startup and then move back after separation to provide max thrust

>>15874936
>>15875069
Stage 2 was also the reason for the first hold on Saturday due to not reaching flight pressure

>>15874285
>booster 11 ship 28 is going to be the next pairing, static fire next week

>they've already assembled scaffolding on the OLM
damn SpaceX is fast

>>15874980
any videos with less compression

>>15875079
I haven't seen a construction crew that is slow to build scaffolding. Whether they do it safely is another matter.

>>15875069
Plus you can see that only the engines on one side of the booster failed (at least at the beginning of the relight), so yeah probably fuel sloshing, probably one or more engine exploding which doomed the rest.

>>15875081
I'm mostly impressed that they aren't wasting time, but are already working on cleaning/refurbishing the OLM. It seems to me that they want to start the next booster test campaign.

>>15874965
Space microwaves would make ships and blimps OP
Just spin some propellers with space microwaves

>>15875003
Why isn't there a residual burn of the propellants? Do they choke out oxygen first or what.

>>15875089
Anon, the pressure is so low up there that the gasses expand and cool so rapidly that they can't maintain combustion. This is why rocket plumes turn invisible at high altitude too, the plumes expand so quickly they just can't stay ignited.

>>15875083
the engines explode when they dont burn anymore? seems a little dangerous to me. they are like the sharks of the sky. femongated muskrat can keep his shitship.

>>15874837
btw what is the timeline for IFT1? I don't remember it exactly but wasnt it something like
>3 raptors don't start up during liftoff so the liftoff is very slow, total thrust 10% less, net thrust over gravity 23% less
>fondag pad gets blasted for much longer than planned so the sand under the pad gets compressed, pad gets pushed down and cracks, exhaust gases gets through the cracks and under the pad and blow the concrete to 200m and subsequently the unprotected sand gets dug out by 30 raptors
>the raptors or rocket itself doesn't get damaged by flying debris according to elon, but there are leaks everywhere which start fires
>raptors get disabled/explode due to fires, raptor gimbaling system (hydraulic thrust vector control) starts burning and explodes at some point
>they don't even try to stage due to altitude being too low or can't due it due to something being fucked, also lost control because the thrust vector control system exploded
>stack starts to turn around and spin, FTS is triggered but they are too weak for Starship so the stack continues to do somersaults before eventually breaking down after 40 seconds and exploding

mostly everything got fixed for IFT-2 but like 6 different items on the FAA problems list got postponed and all of it was with regards to leaks in the lines or raptors either in superheavy or starship (except quick disconnect arm has a problem with LOX leakage I guess?)

>>15875032
> WASHINGTON — Sierra Space laid off 165 employees who had been working on its Dream Chaser vehicle as part of what the company described as efforts to realign its workforce to other projects.
>A company spokesperson confirmed Nov. 17 that it laid off 165 people who had been working to assemble the first Dream Chaser vehicle, named Tenacity. The company announced Nov. 2 that it had completed Tenacity and was ready to ship it to NASA’s Armstrong Test Facility in Ohio for environmental tests.
>Sierra Space said it had performed “surge hiring” in the last six to eight months to complete Tenacity, including handling work that the company decided to bring in-house. With that work completed, the company says it is moving its focus to preparing Dream Chaser for launch on its first mission, scheduled for as soon as spring 2024.

so they hired a bunch of people to finish it quickly and are now firing them

>>15874924
They could have come out and said hello
Instead they chose to be gay shut in NEETs so they get hot plutonium.

>>15874965
They wouldn't do something with that much publicity that had any possibility of failure. They couldn't exactly declare a do-over if every Chinese person on Earth sees it live.

>>15874974
A WMD just flew through my kitchen

what are the dreams that are being chased?

>>15874978
>the submarine is a cylindrical shape with a radius of 0.15m

on an unrelated note, I didn't put "ethnically ambiguous" in the prompt, just "attractive"

A mishap occurred during the @SpaceX
Starship OFT-2 launch from Boca Chica, Texas, on Saturday, Nov. 18. The anomaly resulted in a loss of the vehicle. No injuries or public property damage have been reported.
The FAA will oversee the @SpaceX
-led mishap investigation to ensure SpaceX complies with its FAA-approved mishap investigation plan and other regulatory requirements.

>>15875173
I read it as "ethnically ambitious" which is a very apt description of JPL.

>>15875172
The dream of being HIV+

>>15875172
heady dreams of infinite government gibs, mixed with some shuttle nostalgia.

https://twitter.com/CJHandmer/status/1726441609213136957

crazy how they are still developing bugchaser. How do they even pitch it to investors now? Even memeliner has no market anymore and that's far more practical than sticking a spaceplane inside a faring for no reason. Bugchaser was an impractical but plausible design when COTS was going on, but we are over a decade past that.

>>15875191
>inside a faring
no fairing

>>15874978
>the submarine is a cylindrical shape with a radius of 0.15m

elon musk is thanos
and i am iron man to kill him

>>15875190
he's right, it failed

>>15875193
it will be in a faring, unless theyve changed something. If it ends up not being in a faring then thats 500 mil wasted on R&D for the folding wings.

https://youtu.be/XVRFIV8_73s
4K HDR someone nab it

>>15875238
ufo?

>>15875191
Their pitch is that spaceplanes reenter and land at low gees. Personally I think that's a pretty useless perk.

Elon is selling a $300 metal model of Starship, but I 3d proonted my own miniature one with booster for free, now they fitbin my pocket. I set a small pin into the top of super heavy and drilled a hole in the bottom of Starship so the two can stand as a full stack or apart on my shelf. No point in owning a toy of something if you can't woosh it around your desk space.

>>15875238
>>15875240
NASA's WB-57
ULA bribed them and put a sniper on it, that's why the second stage failed

>>15875218
too big, man
I don't even think a ffmpeg wizard would be able to maintain the quality and get it under 4MB

>>15875190
news in the year 2050 AC (after colonization): "Elon Musk FAILS again: Mars colony misses DECADES-long goal of a million people by a whopping 200,000 settlers!"

>>15875032
>Sierra Space has discussed developing a version of Dream Chaser for unspecified military applications.
wait what

>>15875241
so will starship. it will basically enter like the shuttle doing big s curves

>>15875248
trvthnvke

>>15875248
i still think aliens cant be ruled out. the shots came from above

>>15875190
this will all be trivial once they actually figure out how to make the raptor work.

Can we just take a moment to appreciate the administrator that deleted the faux thread. I feel like that admin may be a /sfg/ user in fact. He's helped us so many times, including that one time we had to raise the image limit.

>>15875190
he's right you know

>>15875280
And showing the boardfag the door after he started advertising on other boards.

>>15875202
>>15875274
>>15875283
he's making a comment on the news reporting and normie opinion.

>>15875293
casey handjob is a dope

>>15875296
you are turbo autistic and don't get obvious satire

>>15875305
he thinks he's clever but in reality he's a know nothing do nothing

>>15875134
Wasn't the "best part is no part" staging mechanism for IFT 1 to turn the booster and fling the stage away? Can't do that when the booster is tumbling out of control.

>>15875306
so what, that is irrelevant to the post itself

>>15875308
yes, but I don't remember SpaceX saying anything official about that though, might have missed it

>>15875271
I still think you have to go back to /x/

was trying to find the IFT-1 mishap report list and somehow got distracted and wound up on SpaceX Starship wikipedia talk page
they are arguing about the launch being a success or partial failure again lmao

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:SpaceX_Starship

>>15875339

>>15875338
>dont believe your lying eyes
why would you post it

IFT-1 according to wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_Starship_first_integrated_flight_test#Flight_profile

>>15875343
IFT-2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_Starship_second_integrated_flight_test#Flight_profile

>>15875343
>MECO not attempted

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:SpaceX_Starship_second_integrated_flight_test

>>15875346
Nevermind this was the first flight. I thought they had autism fit over MECO didn't happen because three stayed lit.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1700789411279966339

the list of items on the IFT-1 mishap report

>>15875360
Future actions
>Raptor Leak Mitigation - C13
> Improved igniter seal design

>>15875363
Future actions
--
Booster reliability improvement
>C34 - Change certain booster valve timing
----
Raptor reliability improvement
>C39 - Improve oxygen valve design
>C40 - Improve oxygen valve seal design
>C41 - Improve design of hot manifold
---
Avionics reliability improvement
>C49 - Redesign network architecture

>>15875343
Nobody cares

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/11/daily-telescope-spying-a-double-cluster-of-supergiant-stars/

Rocket engine startup Ursa Major to venture into solid propulsion, Emirati university signs up to China’s moon base project
--
https://spacenews.com/rocket-engine-startup-ursa-major-to-venture-into-solid-propulsion/
> WASHINGTON — Rocket engine startup Ursa Major is targeting the solid rocket motors market, the company announced Nov. 20.
> CEO Joe Laurienti said the company sees an opportunity to use additive manufacturing, often referred to as 3D printing, to disrupt an industry constrained by outdated processes.
> Northrop Grumman and L3Harris’ Aerojet Rocketdyne are the nation’s primary suppliers of solid rocket motors.
> The conflict in Ukraine has exposed cracks in the U.S. industrial base, which has struggled to meet surging demand for critical munitions like the Javelin and Stinger missile systems that depend on solid rocket motors. Experts say replacing depleted stocks can take years under current production rates.
---
https://spacenews.com/emirati-university-signs-up-to-chinas-moon-base-project/
> HELSINKI — China has added a United Arab Emirates’ university to its list of partners for the country’s moon base ambitions.

ESA Launch Call to Develop Life Support Systems for Space
--
https://europeanspaceflight.com/esa-launch-call-to-develop-life-support-systems-for-space/
> The European Space Agency has launched a call for ideas to develop self-sufficient life support systems that address the challenges of extended space missions in low Earth orbit and beyond.
> The aim of the call is to identify ideas, technologies, and methods that address three specific challenges: optimizing biomass composition for crew diets, developing efficient waste-to-product routes, and mitigating virus risks in life support processes.
> In addition to the base objectives, ESA has also asked applicants to study how the solutions proposed could be used for terrestrial applications here on Earth. Optimized diets, effective waste management, and virus mitigation are, after all, just as important for sustaining life here on Earth as they are in deep space.

On the page itself they have the mission timeline. Clearly not all points were met, yet they cannot determine if the mission was a success. Even tho they listed the criteria for the mission success.
Amazin

>>15875087
>blimps
>OP
my needle disagrees

>>15875271
>the shots
source?

NASA SAYS STARLINER ON TRACK TO LAUNCH IN MID APRIL 2024

>>15875397
That crew is going to die, isn't it?

>>15875397
if Starliner beats Starship its officially over for SpaceX. They will be cut out the artemis project entirerly because Starliner can do everything Starship can do but better. And crucually it will be ready several years ahead of Starship due to SpaceXes insanely slow pace. CSS was right. Blue will leapfrog SpaceX soon.

>>15875397
RIP

>>15875397
do you think selling "Wilmore & Williams" memorabilia would be profitable?

>>15875397
Just cancel it Boeing, you know you want to

>>15875397
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1726630011330060540
> NASA's Phil McAlister says Boeing's crew flight test of Starliner is on track for NET April 14, 2024, pending a successful parachute test in January.

>>15875347
Wikipedians combine the worst aspects of mainstream journalists with the worst aspects of jannies. There is no lower form of life.

>>15875404
nah, they're still salivating over the potential for $90m per seat, even if the project as a whole is a net loss.

>>15875408
in that case I hope it's a massive failure and continues to cost them indefinitely

>slaps your favorite rocket in the ass
what do (without seeming mad)?

>>15875412
stare at his head. I'm sure he'll understand the implication.

>>15875412
Knock his fuckin teeth out

>>15875412
look directly at his head like >>15875413 but also hold my hand in front of the upper part of his head and squint as if to signal that the glare from his bald head is blinding.

>>15875023
>16 Future Astronaut She/they PISS OFF IF YOU'RE A PEDO, ZOO, PROSHIPPER OR NSFW I draw I swear Multifandom Enby lesbian Mixed pagan pfp by

the sound is amazing.
https://voca.ro/1fIuyviM9evN

>>15875413
>>15875419
the bald shall inherit the earth, haircels. chicks hate hairy guys too, just look at jason statham

>>15875422
cope from the hairless with inferior genes. my dad is 60 and he still has a luxurious flowing mane like i do. the bald may inherit the earth like goblins, but the haired will advance it.

>>15875420
I'd fuk her. hope it's a her. seems the perfect amount of unstable BPD artist dreamgirl

>>15875421
the undertone of deep rumbling really does it for me.

>>15875425
>she/they
Usually if they have to specify its not

>>15875400
>They will be cut out the artemis project entirerly because Starliner can do everything Starship can do but better.
Can it land?

>>15875428
i know plenty ultralib tumblrinas that advertise pronouns

>>15875429
I actually can land. But it also produces a plume of UDMH when it does.

>>15875429
it has to learn to tell time first.

>>15875432
>produces a plume of UDMH when it does.
imagine the smell

>NOOO DON'T REPOOOST FROM LE SACRED L2 ARCHIVES CAN'T YOU SEE THE WATERMARK??

L2 seems incredibly gay

>>15875448
tranny infested

>Gatens: air leak rate has increased. 1 pound/day now, but manageable and "well below our spec leak rate" but "a little higher than our historical leak rate." It's in transfer tunnel where Progress docks. Keep hatch to that closed as much as possible.

>Gatens: we did ask in an RFI a few years ago about turning ISS over to a company, but not a lot of interest. It's large and complex, U.S. doesn't own all of it, etc.
That's why the decision is to deorbit it, but working w/Smithsonian to see what we can bring back for museum.

>>15875280
I do enjoy the apparent mutual respect between sfg and the sci mods

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mzow2H-4jA

What is /sfg/'s opinion on the quantum inertia drive?

>>15875496
99% bullshit, but I'll wait for the results nonetheless
should be coming in a number of weeks

>>15875496
we think its hilarious how niggers eat the same food as monkeys sometimes, such as bananas

>>15875496
M-drive didn't work, neither will this

>>15875496
Q drive > QI drive

>"The thing I think about, and which probably goes unnoticed by most, is how extremely hot and humid it is in Boca during the late summer and fall," he said. "The team that just rebuilt the orbital launch mount, water deluge, and remaining launch pad just did so in the hottest, most miserable part of the year. I remember having mild heat stress almost every day in August and September while working on the pad. I give kudos to those technicians, welders, and engineers that spent the last seven months out in the field making this happen."

>>15875501
But it would be really cool if it did. Imagine the seething from dark matter priests.

>>15875496
I hope it works.

>>15875500
What's wrong with bananas? They are tasty and have lots of potassium. They are very popular world wide, even in nations without niggers. Hell, entire regimes were overthrown in the past over bananas.

>>15874959
I love the design of the interior. It's like the world's comfiest mall

>>15875500
Retard.

Just bought Rendevouz with Rama. What am I in for /sfg/ bros?

>>15875529
wacky shit

>>15875529
Goofy shit

>>15875529
Dumb shit

>>15875173
>>15875199
NOOOOOOO!!!! YOU CAN'T JUST SEND ROBOTS TO EXPLORE OTHER WORLDS! YOU NEED TO SEND PEOPLE! AAAAGHHH!!! I NEED MY WEIRD SCAT FETISH OF ASTRONAUTS POOPING ON OTHER PLANETS FULFILLED!

>>15875529
Interesting shit. Avoid the sequels to keep it that way.

>>15875173
>I didn't put "ethnically ambiguous" in the prompt, just "attractive"
Dalle modifies your prompt under the hood for more "representation". Sometimes this hidden part of the prompt gets included in the final image

>>15875515
Sorry doubters, Starship actually had a remarkably successful flight
---
https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/11/heres-why-this-weekends-starship-launch-was-actually-a-huge-success/
> Before I had even left the launch viewing area in South Padre Island on Saturday morning headlines started to fill my news feed. The Wall Street Journal led with, “SpaceX second Starship test flight ends in another explosion.” Bloomberg was still more dour, “SpaceX Starship and Super Heavy Booster Launch and Failure.” Perhaps, after consultation with their beat reporters, editors subsequently changed these online headlines. And the stories themselves better reflected the reality. Nevertheless, much of the media coverage of the launch delivered a harsh verdict: Another failure for Elon Musk and SpaceX.
> Leading with words like "failure" and "explosion" are kind of like putting the headline “Derek Jeter had a strikeout” on a news story about the 2001 World Series game in which he later hit a walk-off home run. Like, it’s accurate. But it’s a lazy take that completely misses the point.
> Perhaps most critically for SpaceX, on this flight, the Super Heavy booster appears to have performed a nominal flight. After Starship pulled away, the first stage had done its heavy-lifting job. If this were a normal expendable launch, the rocket would have fallen into the ocean.
> In any case, Super Heavy blew up spectacularly. So was this a failure? Hardly. SpaceX had just launched the largest rocket the world had ever seen, a flying skyscraper largely built with private funding. If it were almost any other rocket in the world, it would have been judged entirely as a success because first stages are disposed of. But because SpaceX took the next step, to experiment with recovery, the loss of the first stage after completing its primary mission was somehow viewed as a failure by some observers. I'm sorry to say it, but that's just dumb.

how the uck does spacex expect the raptors to be reusable when they have such extreme regimes inside the engines?

>>15874978
how do you fit a nuclear reactor into a 15cm cylinder?

>>15875529
If I had to guess Clarke wrote this because he was jealous of Niven's Ringworld

>>15875554
desu im really worried about their relight after 7 days on the moon

>>15875553
> In some respects, on just its second flight, Starship now is as successful as NASA’s SLS rocket. Consider that the Artemis I test flight in November 2022 used a core stage, side-mounted boosters, and an upper stage known as the Interim Cryogenic Propulsion Stage, or ICPS. This core stage performed well, flying a nominal mission as it boosted the Orion spacecraft into orbit.
>Although the core stage was new hardware, the upper stage ICPS was a (very, very lightly) modified version of a Delta rocket upper stage that has been flying for a quarter of a century. Put another way, the core stage of the SLS rocket, and the Super Heavy booster have now both completed one successful launch. If SpaceX had stuck an ICPS and the Orion spacecraft hardware on top of Super Heavy, it could have gone to the Moon on Saturday.

>>15875556
Very carefully

Everyday Astronaut
@Erdayastronaut
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4m
Our Starship IFT2 4K Slow Mo Megacut has been exported! Working on the upload process. Will post shortly!!! GET READY FOR SOME INCREDIBLE FOOTAGE!!!

>>15875561
>Since its heady days during the Apollo program, NASA has steadily become an agency filled with checkers, rather than doers. That's part of the bureaucratization process, and today it's not a bad place for the agency to be as it manages a slew of traditional and new space contractors. However, it's a terrible place for a space company to be. Part of the magic of SpaceX is that it's filled with doers, with relatively few checkers, even after more than 20 years of existence.
> That culture was created by Musk and is maintained by Musk. He is a hard-charging leader who pushes back on bureaucracy. He wants to move fast and break things. And he does break things. Those very public failures and his recent comments and actions have certainly hurt his reputation, and to some extent, that of SpaceX.

Sharing the VR for a Starship model again for those who haven't seen it yet

https://starship.mobile.my3ideas.com/

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1726666641826857261

>>15875588
sex000

>>15875529
Nothing Happens: The Book

ITS' OUT!!!!

>>15875553
>Some of his politics and public statements are deeply unsettling to many.
Who? Who are these many people? Who might they be?

>>15875605
OOPS, forgot link

yesterday broke a lot of the SLS stans

>>15875606
The entire left wing, for whom it is considered impossible to be racist against white people. (The problematic statements in question amount to a virtual thumbs-up on a discussion of this topic.)

Tim released his 4k footage
>https://youtu.be/Iv5AMNYGql4?si=8hyq63Jjj1vO8FDj

>>15875626
>11:52
Sexo

>>15875190
Contractually they only need to reach the Moon, this list is retarded. It's more like:
>Orbit
>Payload deploy
>Re-entry
>Superheavy landing and reuse
>Starship landing and reuse
>Propellant transfer
>Life support systems
>Lunar orbit, landing and return

>>15875626
something almost hit the pad camera

>>15875629
That's what I thought was the real genius of the contract. They didn't fall for the typical government contract pitfall of being overly specific about how a goal was accomplished; they simply laid out their landing site criteria, the safety requirements and the price and then got the hell out of the way. And SpaceX came back with this hundred ton monster that will do what they want and more.

in other news NSF is absolutely seething that a 14 year old reposted one of their photos on twitter without any credit. Whatever you do, don't post any of their images here, it might hurt their feelings.

@torybruno just posted this
the #vulcan rocket will land America's next spacecraft on the lunar surface!

https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/17zc03z/starship_ift2_flight_data_estimated_from_telemetry/

https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/17zc03z/starship_ift2_flight_data_estimated_from_telemetry/
a

>>15874888
those are tire tracks

>>15875643
kek, someone was probably OCD triggered by that guy's step function graph of manually entered discrete datapoints. I prefer the original, this infers data where there is none

>>15875641
I’m confused as to what he decided to include or not. I though chandrayaan 2 and beresheet crashed. Why include them but not chandrayaan 3 and luna 25? And artemis hasn’t even happened yet.

>>15875649
this also uses some smoothing function, not sure which one

SpaceX provided really good picture on their X account

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv5AMNYGql4&t=176s

We missed another milestone in this launch when people were trying to pass/fail it:
>First successful ignition and flight of RVAC

>>15875676
not first ignition, first ignition in flight though yeah

I couldn't read that berger article, nothing of substance.

What do you think they'll change? Just the staging logic, or any design elements?

>>15875689
Rubber obturators on the quick disconnect ports to stop leaks

>>15875689
The more fragile parts of the system will probably get reengineered and replaced, but the deluge plate part seems to work.

>>15875688
It was mainly there for the haters anyway. Although "super heavy is just as successful as SLS's core stage" as a statement that needs to be qualified is a cope and "strap an ICPS to this and Orion/ESM and it would get to the moon" needs fact checking

>>15875588

>superheavy uses the exhaust plume from starship to provide leverage to its gridfins for the flip

>>15875704
That was actually not intentional and perhaps caused the fuck up of the booster

>>15875707
But SpaceX did say they intentionally keep the starship pointed at Superheavy to push it before angling to flight trajectory

https://twitter.com/DJSnM/status/1726661701892985091

Will they have explosives that detonate if something goes wrong, with a crew onboard?

>>15875710
newfag

>>15875709
I am too dumb to interpret this.

>>15875713
line go up then down

>>15875689
I don't know enough about rocker science or engineering in general to even guess what needs changing.

>>15875712
i know thats why im asking

>>15875713
https://twitter.com/peterrhague/status/1726672842161332688
propellant going up then slamming down, fucking everything up

>>15875496
what ended up happening with the lk99 meme anyways?

>>15875710
Yes. I'd reckon the thresholds are different. Obviously if it starts careening towards Port Isabel you want to terminate the flight even if there are souls on board.

>>15875718
it was a mistake/scam

>>15875709
https://twitter.com/RasmsnC/status/1726688202495512583
> NASA had a big headache with slosh in the S-IB. They have awesome in tank films if the slamming fuel . Baffles, but I’m sure they already have baffles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL-Oi9m2beA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVAGoWJuDKk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u656se4e34M

I just bought house of leaves what am I in for /sfg/

>>15875717
I blocked this retard on Twitter, too much current thing opinions just like Elon. Elon is special though he just gets a mute and I usually read anything important from him on here.

Thoughts on nanoengineered nearly friction free material that is the surface of a rocket?

>>15875727
I read like 50 pages never finished it.

>>15875730
Too expensive and heavy/weak to heat

>>15875725

>>15875718
Debunked, but by actual scientists and the peer review process rather than a random person on YouTube.

>>15875729
being able to read only certain topics from people would be pretty nice even though I'm not as annoyed as you

>>15875571
its not working, just black screen. need a supercomputer to run it?

>>15875727
I got it, was dissapointed. It starts off promising, but the lurid sex scene descriptions put me off. I was reading next to my brother, and I was wondering why he was looking at me weird until I got to the other page.

>>15875630
ablated molten metal?

>>15875626
Kino overload

so now that the question of boil off has started, what does that mean for an uncrewed backup ship that's supposed to sit on mars or the moon for an extended period of time? this boil off kinda fucks everything up right? Im sure they foresaw this from the very beginning, what are they trying to pull? The starship will boil off all it's fuel before it gets to mars.

>>15875752
maybe but looks more like a rod or something to me

>>15875727
It's certainly something, I remember reading it in highschool. Funny seeing the backrooms materialize online all these years later, it clear those who pioneered the mythos/feel took inspiration from the book

it's over, starship will never work. gave up hope

>>15875626
Those tiles dropping

>>15875740
>echo chamber good!

>>15875776
no, if someone talks about knitting and rocket launches and I don't personally give a fuck about knitting, but their comments about rocket launches are interesting, it would be nice for me to just see the stuff about rocket launches
you could call that an echo chamber I guess, but this isn't about politics

There's no on board cams because they forgor

so fellas im working on knitting a IFT2 sweater, im using the english method, any tips for me? Im relatively new to this. I have made pouches and scarfs but i think i bit off a little more than i can chew with this one.

>>15875729
>>15875740
>>15875776
>>15875780
I'm gonna take this moment to shill RSS,

DUMB question: what computer chip do they use to control all 33 engines?

>>15875794
What does the design look like?

>>15875807
Very dumb question. How do you think any of us would know this??

>>15875601
That describes every "golden age" sci-fi novel though

Reminder that the only MAJOR issues left for Starship are tile attachment, hot staging got far enough to prove it worked and just needs some adjustments, and Raptor reliabilitytards got BTFO. Tile attachment may need a full rework like staging got, but its not like its impossible.

>>15875813
>>>/lit/sffg/

>>15875807
Pentium III

>>15875813
a bit too cerebral for you eh?

>>15875718
Fuck off Noa

>>15875814
>tile attachment
Complete non-issue, we know how to attach things to other things.
They might not get exactly what they want in the end (i.e. tiles that are super easy to replace, never come off in flight and with minimal additional weight), but if they really want no tile dropping they will be able to do it.
I think they aren't focusing on this aspect right now because they have to reach orbit in the first place.

>>15874978
based wall of text

>>15875859
cope you fucking pig. How much is Elon paying you guys, lol?

>15875862

>>15875862
I do it for free

>>15875075
>What's really cool about this is that you can see the SL raptors on S25 were gimballed away on startup and then move back after separation to provide max thrust
It blows my mind how nimble those things are while being so massive and providing all that thrust. There's no sense of size while its way up in the air. These are straight up robots that happen to have control of Raptor engines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Hkbv3H4ulw
> NASA’s Infrastructure Crisis, Explained | WSJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV6g0VHRoWI
> This is what we've been waiting for! - Starbase Weekly #89

>>15875397
>Anomolies
Nothing could possiblie go wrong!

>>15875889
Shut up stupid Muskrat

elon should do a reddit AMA

>elon should do a reddit AM -AACK!!

>>15875067
wi tu low

SLS should launch during the day next time

>>15875909
Chances of Elon doing non controlled QA? Not very high.

>15875924
fuck you. baiting for replies

>>15875067
I haven't seen Yi Lon Ma yet, I think he may have been purged.

>>15875909
>implying he's not shitposting anonymously on /sfg/ on a regular basis

>>15875929
Take a (You) as encouragement for restricting his.

>>15875932
I would if I were him
Haha

>>15875929
how is that bait

>>15875937
Nobody believes or says this

>>15875630
Charred endangered turtle, its over.

>>15875807
Falcon 9 uses 3 dual core Intel CPUs. I imagine Starship uses whatever was deemed a safe option back in 2017 or so.

>>15875940
Shut up loser

>>15875717
At -0.8g acceleration on the vehicle, gravity would still be applying a relative net 0.2g downwards on the propellant. Lack of head pressure could be a problem but these claims that propellant would be floating aren't consistent with reality. You don't start floating in an elevator at that accelerates at -0.1g

>>15875718
mistake bordering on scientific misconduct

Tape outgas drive for picosats

>>15874829
It's almost 2024...
>Still no Space X on Mars
>No working Starship
>No Starship that doesn't explode
>Largest Space X success to date is not exploding the launch pad to bits, again
>Billions of millions of $ down the sewer
>Space X IPO next year
You stupid fagots are what's wrong with humanity. Enjoy dumping your life's savings into this Ponzi while Musk cashes out....again.

t. Space Elevator Troll

will any of the innumerable satellite constellations proposed actually happen? I keep seeing things like "new satellite constellation being worked on", sometimes with a truly pathetic number of sats. What can you possibly do with that?

>>15875961
That's a weird ai pic

>>15875949
>>15875807
surely starship needs radiation hardened electronics... That is unless Musk has no intention of going to Mars...

>>15875961
its over

>>15875971
the key to tricking dalle into generating lewds is to fill the prompt with stupid shit to confuse the morality filter

>>15875973
The mars helicopter just uses an off the shelf CPU.

>>15875962
depends on what the satellite constellation is for, what the orbit is and so on

>>15875978
NASA isn't planning on flying humans on it.

>>15875973
another old space scam

>>15875980
You're right. NASA would be sure to downgrade first.

>>15875641
ah the ole "shittle hole"

>>15875971
>>15875976
clearly offtopic and you need to kill yourself

>>15874980
Seeing those six beautiful engines lit up and glowing at the back end of a proper fully-integrated spacecraft designed to carry large payloads to other worlds reminds me of your classic sci-fi "spaceship" so much more than a more traditional rocket upper stage. Makes me think we really have entered a new era of spaceflight.

>>15875978
Tom Mueller said hes had to do a lot of work on rad hardening electronics for his space tug, and he seems to know what hes talking about since he developed Merlin

>>15875992
the ass of starship is so aestetic due to the pattern of small and large raptors, and the way the inside of the bells glow. Im so glad we will get so much stage sep kino due to how low starship stages.

>>15875992
>designed to carry large payloads

>fucking thing's dead empty and it can't even get to orbit
You need to tone down the gay until your mom's dildo chalks up some serious results.

>>15875992
tell us the weight of the payload first?
Shitship was carrying NOTHING and failed to even work.

some of the posters here are like pigs and im a big dildo going up their ass.

>>15876020
Fuck off

>>15875529
see
>>15875601

>>15875554
how do you get to carnegie hall?

>>15876014
Your entire mother

>>15875644
neat

>>15875644
kill yourself

>>15875645
those are ski tracks

>>15875548
Yeah, I assumed that's what was going on

>normies are being redpilled about NSF

>>15875556
sideways

>>15875961
it's almost 2024...
> no one has managed to land a booster besides SpaceX (outside of one test flight in China)
> no one else has come close to launch prices from falcon 9/heavy
> no one else has even STARTED on a starship sized rocket

>>15875980
You can just use voting computers in leu of radiation hardening.

>>15875962
Starlink exists, and if anything the constellation will be bigger than anticipated because the launch prices will be very low, there seems to be plenty of demand for the service and there's no real limit to how much bandwidth they need in urban areas

>>15876098
ha, but while spacex wastes time on starshit, everyone else (the Adults in the room) are busy advancing slideshow technology.
Talk to me when you have a nuclear tug on your pptx, sweetie

>>15876102
I think that only works to deal with transient errors, not cumulative damage to the material.

>>15875190
And next up for Blue Origin?

>>15876098
Cope more muskrat. Vulcan is one month away from launching and Starship (lmao what a gay name) probably won't even get another attempt this year. SpaceX simply can't compete; the next decade will be dominated by ULA while nuspace companies struggle to avoid bankruptcy.

>>15876121
mine was more funny.

>>15876098
here's what your missing. Noone has BOTHERED to LAND an orbital BOOSTER because its NOT PROFITABLE. SpaceX burns through money and survives on dreams of uneducated Space Cadets.

>>15876123
i was advancing the discourse by mentioning vulcan's NET

watch this starshit nerds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om90htezXLk&t
you are space cadets.

IFT2 was two days ago. Why are these people still here?

>>15876130
I'm having fun, anon.

>>15876129
I wonder how many wrong predictions he is going to make here

>>15876129
I might go through this just to see his cope. (won't be watching it on youtube, thoughever)

>>15876098
To be completely fair, a different Chinese group also managed a grasshopper landing back in 2022. They're definitely making progress as a whole, it's just that they only look like they're moving fast when you compare them to anyone who isn't SpaceX.

>>15876132
fuck off tourist

>>15876150
that was for a vehicle with like 1 ton to orbit, but they are developing a 10+ ton vehicle right now and there are other chinese companies
but then in the west there are relativity, rocket lab, stoke, maybe something in europe but those are very early

>>15876098
Stoke Space is at least aiming for second stage reuse with physical hardware.

>>15876098
>outside of one test flight in China

That was an equivalent of Grasshopper, not a operational booster.

>>15876194
youre idiotic if you really think that. i wont even explain why. think for yourself.

>wake up
>berger hit piece about the media in general
when is he dropping a hit piece about ars?

>>15876098
i met an astra+rocketlab investor the day of ift2. he was dismayed by astra but convinced RL would pick up the medium lift market from spacex. I revealed my power level when he said ift2 went "really bad". set him straight lol

>>15876210
musk should buy ars and fire everyone else except berger

>>15876145
>>15876148

what did he say? i really dont feel like watching

>>15876215
turns out it's about IFT-1.

>>15876212
i dont get how venture capitalists can be so out of touch and stupid yet still make money. it seems to be the same in every industry that the venture guys just flip a coin and invest randomly

>>15876215
haven't watched it yet

>>15876220
yes I know that, but curious what dumb shit he would predict

>>15876221
>i dont get how venture capitalists can be so out of touch and stupid yet still make money

They get in on the ground floor, retail buys in the IPO and VCs dump on them.

>>15876221
The average VC strategy is to invest in everything they can and hope that the small number that succeed making up for all the ones that don't. It's a plan that requires minimal to negative levels of understanding. VC space scams work because of this.

>>15876213
>>15876210
I just realized I don't read Ars for anything but space article lmao

>>15876207
The wumao is threatened.

as far as I know spacex lands their boosters through a combination of ground tracking and gps. how will they do this on mars or the moon?

dont they need a new permit or something before building a second tower at boca chica? i remember they scaled back during the environmental review

>>15876273
most likely, but I don't think they need to stop launches while the enviromental assessment is done so it doesn't matter as much

>>15876256
Good. Even their non-hardware-related space articles are trash. Right now a front page article on Farts Technica is "here's why Mars colonization is bad (it reminds me of white people colonizing foreign continents (did you know Andrew Jackson was le bad))" written as a review of a book by the SMBC webcomic guy and his wife.

Fuel stations wen?

>>15876280
2024 if all goes well.

>>15876280
SpaceX will test orbital refueling (aka a fuel station) probably as soon as they get a successful orbital test
not sure which would be prioritized, the orbital refueling or starlink launches though, orbital fuel transfer is critical for HLS

>>15876291
>doesn't use the D-word
smart kid

>>15876291
i guess they would prioritise starlink since its directly in their financial interest, whereas NASA is used to being fucked around and delayed so it wont be a huge deal if SpaceX doesnt go on 100% thrust for a few months. the FAA delays have had more impact than the time it would take to deploy a healthy starter number of starlink V3s.

A thing im worried about is the fact that SpaceX wont get a permit to increase their cadence to the needed rate at boca chica becuase of muh turtles so where do they launch from and how?

>>15876280
Do people forget orbit fab launched a fuel depot prototype into space back in 2021?

>>15876297
need to get that launch tower built at the cape
I think they did an enviromental assessment for that already and after the first successful orbital test with no damage to the tower or pad (still need to re-engineer some parts on the tower like QD arm) then I don't think it would take more than a few months to build the thing
they did it once, should be much quicker to do it again and this time they can just copy the launch infrastructure at boca chica

>bump limit
i will be making a new thread. be ready to switch

>>15876306
Get out

>>15876306
You stupid gorilla nigger we're only on page 5

>>15876306
this is not de way

>>15876306
Hold
Hold
Hold

>>15875992
>muh hollywood goyslop is totally real guise!!!!
all you're doing by posting that tripe is revealing to us that your iq is roughly 85 and that you're too dumb and out of touch with reality to have your own imagination so instead your brain gets implanted by whatever hollywood goyslop its exposed to

>>15876317
dilate

>>15876276
the comments
>"good i hope the colonists die"
>"elon bad"
>"lets leave this to nasa"

>>15876305
how will they get Starships from texas to florida without transport cost becoming a big deal?

>>15876121
Now that it has a launchpad that can survive a launch without requiring extensive repairs, Starship has a turnaround time of just a few weeks between test launches. By the time its doing operational launches they'll be able to sustain multiple launches per week.

>>15876280
Storing fuel in orbit is dumb since it can just as easily be launched when needed

>>15876326
just do a quick hop

>>15876328
>Storing fuel in orbit is dumb since it can just as easily be launched when needed
one of the main problems with the spacex artemis architecture is that its dependent on so many flights going right with no delays due to the refuelling and concerns about boiloff. Is there was a depot with enough power and radiators to keep the tanks cold then starship artemis would only be dependant on one flight, the hls vehicle itself.

this raises a question. how the hell will starship go to Mars if bliloff is a real problem (which nasa seems to think so) for just a lunar visit?

>>15876326
I thought they had a factory building there already as well?

>>15876335
I liked the idea when elon brought it up, it's a typical elon idea, but how do you transport the boosters?

>>15876326
They'll set up a wormhole from boca chica to the cape. It'll look like they just built another factory, but we will know better.

>>15876340
>concerns about boiloff

>>15876335
during artemis 3 the hls main engines will fail to ignite and the astronauts will suffocate on the surface of the moon. then that will be the end of spacexes manned program because the federal government will ban them from carrying humans, even paying private passengers.

>>15876328
>Storing fuel in orbit is dumb since it can just as easily be launched when needed
you will also end up with a tiny launch window and specific inclination to reach it, and let's not even get into the "which fuel?" question

>>15876345
they hop too

>>15876342
oh, well if they do that answers the question. I was not aware of a starship factory in florida.

>>15876340
The Artemis architecture DOES include a depot.

>>15876348
Why build one when you can build two for twice the price? That's when he'll roll out a version of Starship that doesn't need stupid Orion or Griftway to get to the moon.

>>15876326
Drive them to a part and stick them on a barge. It’s a pain in the ass but a good enough stopgap while the cadence is still <5 per year per tower.

>>15876276
they're pandering to their audience: leftist tech employees in their 20s and 30s.

>>15876129
mentions ohania lavia or whatever (tranny) and references ESG hound multiple times
predictions in this video:
>you are going to have to dig a flame trench
>Starship was a lot louder it was supposed to be
>The Starship programme is not doing so well
>the iterative test programme is not the right choice for this programme due to launching outdated vehicles and you don't learn anything from that
>the only reason IFT-1 happened was for attention for funding because Starlink is a failure
>launching IFT-1 is actually hurting SpaceX because they have to rebuild the pad, there are enviromental lawsuits, the FAA is going to have to do an investigation
>I don't think this thing is going to launch until 2024
>Musk: Starship is going to be one of the first things for the Artmeis programme, pressure fed says this is weapons grade copium, damage control, this is an obvious failure (referencing IFT-1)
>"Starship is a very immature system. To put this into perspective, Artemis 3 hardware for the Orion and SLS are being built RIGHT NOW. OKAY. Starship is the long arm of this."
>Starship has to fly to orbit once, its gotta be reused and probably perfect it, they have to work on boiloff mitigation for propellant tankers and depot architecture, they gotta develop propellant transfer architecture, and they gotta develop HLS
>again saying that iterative design is not working for starship
>13 launches to refuel tanker according to his calculations, GAO said 14, Musk said 4-8 and he doesnt believe Musk
>can't use F9 as an argument because it was much more conservative, no people who worked on it necessarily work on the Starship programme

so what went right?

>>15876362
also
https://twitter.com/PantslessMadman

>>15876256
everything else on Arse is trash

>>15876362
Just ignore that down syndrome ass motherfucker. He'll get btfo just like every other sneeding faggot.

>>15876352
I guess no starfactory yet andnor megabays for stacking the rings and welding them
but is a megabay mandatory?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX5YyEIrQeE

https://www.nasa.gov/humans-in-space/commercial-space/nasa-reviews-spacex-roberts-road-expansion-at-kennedy-space-center/

>>15876379
like they could probably put up some temporary tent pretty quickly like they did with boca chica

>>15876367
>Aerospace engineer and graduate student
>Will resurrect big dumb booster
>Huntsville, AL
It couldn't write itself any harder if it was written by ChatGPT

>>15876379
Florida has been such a shitshow. Why are they doing absolutely nothing?
They built a factory and a tower and then just stopped all work.

>>15876384
Do they not have enough employees?
I understand focus is important or you end up like BO.
But if you wanna colonize Mars you need to be able to work on two sites at once.

Which board do you think has the highest amount of EDS? For my experience it seems it's /g/

>>15876372
I was just thinking how much has he been proven wrong already
needing a flame trench was wrong, launching in 2024 was wrong, starship programme not doing well is arguably wrong but if I had to guess he would probably disagree with this, iterative test programme is not the right choice is wrong, starship wasn't louder than it was supposed to (esg schizo shit that turned out to be bullshit and based on misunderstanding or malice)
the two predictions he made that weren't btfo are that Starship would be the long arm of the Artemis programme and refueling needing a certain number of flights
neither of these can be evaluated yet (deadline hasn't been hit, no refueling flights have been done so the number is not known yet)

>>15876388
It's strong on /o/, the amount of Tesla sneeding there is unreal.

>>15876387
they iterate until it works before building them in Florida so they don't have to redo them

>>15876392
/o/ then /pol/.

>>15876317
I think you misunderstand me, friend, I have no expectation or desire that future spacecraft will look exactly like generic Star Wars-esque ships; I'm just glad that Starship is paving the way for craft that look cooler than boring capsules, atavistic spaceplanes or simple cylinders or boxes with an engine sticking out one end. I'm looking forward to seeing what post-Starship spacecraft will end up looking like over the next few decades.

>>15876367
kek the people he follows, like you couldn't pick a more stereotypical list of EDS sufferers
I wonder if he has been posting his own videos here on purpose for engagement? so people go talk shit to him or whatever

>>15876317
Do you need your diaper changed?

>>15876384
No point in building a second factory when you haven't come close to a final design yet. Similar story with the launch tower which now needs the concrete replaced with the bidet

>>15876395
/g/ is definitely worse than /pol/ even /b/ is worse than /pol/, but that's mostly because Musk does throw /pol/ a bone every now and then

The Berger article is kinda funny. I'm ready to read the comments now

>>15876399
of all the bios there thunderfoots is the most pretentious, and pathetic

>>15876411
Thunderf00t congratulated SpaceX and Musk on IFT-2 without a hint of sarcasm. He's based now

>>15876412
bullshit

>>15876399
thunderfoot's bio is straight out of 2012
made me throw up in my mouth a little desu

>>15876414
https://youtu.be/BLlctxJnxy8?t=3809
>Congratulations to, let's be honest, the SpaceX team and— and Musk!

Unbelievably based

>>15876423
Is...there a human being on that boom?