/sci/ - Science & Math

We did it, SpaceX team!

wrapped around a pole

Overfags, backsissies, its time for the license cycle to start anew.
https://twitter.com/wapodavenport/status/1725890540862886280?t=PjMDkq1QV8BIFIDpWY4Wig&s=19

We are back to TILES are fucked.

what will we do when the average time between starship launches is less than two weeks? commit sudoku?

crew already at the launch site inspecting damage and debris

>>15869639
zoom in on this one
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_OUtKibkAA4grW?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
it lost even more tiles between the two pictures so you can't blame vibrations from the launch mount/takeoff

>>15869639
The only thing SpaceX really needs to do, HLS, does not require re-entry.

My boner hasn't abated for the last 2 hours

IFT-1 9.84% too pessimistic, 10.66% correct, 79.51% too optimistic. Staging failed.
IFT-2 32.03% too pessimistic, 18.45% correct, 49.52% too optimistic. Starship failed before reaching intended fractional orbit.
Congratulations you were less wrong.

hahahaha

>>15869638
Overbros, we're eating good tonight!

>>15869658
>>15869639
I honestly don't see why they haven't fixed this yet. It should be the easiest part to fix.

>Retard: hot staging made booster go boom boom, needs bigger dome eh
>Tom Mueller: I suspect it had more to do with restarting engines after the flip
Mueller confirmed, raptor failures to relight killed the booster. how much you wanna bet raptor killed the ship too?

>>15869652
HLS requires tankers
it also requires booster to survive

>>15869670
>It should be the easiest part to fix.
Damn, message Elon right now and let him know.

>>15869672
>we
Poor guy still thinks he works in SpaceX

>>15869672
why did you feel the need to post this again?
also fucking kys phone poster

>>15869639
>>15869658
>>15869671
Just seeing all the engines intact made me all warm and fuzzy, but those fucking tiles though.

>>15869658
Why are so many tiles coming off at the seems? Is the rocket's body twisting around too much? A stress they haven't accounted for?

>>15869672
something blew up at t+7:40

Just saw some news reports about this over in this country. They're all along the lines of
>SpaceX launch fails again
lol

>>15869673
>it also requires booster to survive
"requires"

It looked like hotstage ring caused aerodynamic drag that broke superheavy if you ask me

it looked like the explosions started at the top end, not the bottom

road already being swept

>raptor unable to relight reliably
>ass load of tiles lost
>couldn't even get to orbit
>probably half a year until next launch again
It's over...

>>15869672
No :

-What killed the booster is bad plumbing. The booster turns, the fuel sloshes around, the engine sucks air , kaboom

-What killed the ship was the hydraulic TVC (the HPU) which exploded . The ship was not in control anymore -> FTS

>>15869676
He probably still hodls SpaceX stock, so yeah, he can say we.

>>15869688
I think someone planted bombs on it and detonated them.

What's the next stack going to be? Does anyone have a list of extant boosters and Starships?

>>15869696
B10 S28

>>15869681
kek

>>15869688
look closer
engines were failing long before anything happened near the top

>>15869638
Finally, the lack of 2weeks was making me antsy

>>15869677
You've been slacking calling out phoneposters, get better. All my posts and filenames are obvious phoneposts, yet this is the first time /sfg/ called me out. You aren't an angry shitstirring tourist, are you anon?

The 25% Raptor failure anon got BTFO.

>>15869693
If he eventually got stock options. He was skeptical of SpaceX so he demanded money upfront instead of stock when he joined.

>>15869692
>-What killed the ship was the hydraulic TVC (the HPU) which exploded . The ship was not in control anymore -> FTS
proof?

Fluid hammer effect when the entire thing flipped then restarting the engines might've fucked the plumbing.

>>15869638
>Something went wrong during launch, so there will be an investigation to determine the cause and make sure that the corrective actions are taken.
That's not a bad thing at all.

>>15869692
Made up bullshit

>>15869689
heh, clean it up jannies

Berger claims launchpad is intact
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1725891602718036310?t=eqzlTsFfBRd3ODzf-Ikczw&s=19

>>15869708
Seeing all 33 is so amazing

>rocket that is obviously going to explode explodes
>again
>this is surprising to some
I wish betting on launches was a thing

>>15869708
man that was so clean
everything was fucking perfect
then hotstaging happened
aaaaaa

Soooo what happened to the upper stage that triggered FTS? Anyone know?

>>15869717
berger makes lots of claims. lets wait for the flyover

>>15869708
looks like CGI

>>15869719
I'm sure some anon posted a link to rocket gambling a while back. I think you can do it.

>>15869670
Why would they give a shit about the tiles when they still need to get the Booster recoverable?
Seriously. Dumping Starship on every launch won't hurt nearly as bad as losing a booster.

Updated Starship reentry estimate 65W 19N (north of British Virgin Is)

>>15869717
stop wasting images on fucking twitter posts
just copy what they say and then link it
>>15869719
>I wish betting on launches was a thing
it is
you can bet on literally anything

>>15869722
Micrometeor impact (russian s600 missile).

>>15869722
space beetles

>>15869709
>when he joined
Yeah, and then proceeded to work there for a long ass time. He definitely has stock, he's not some retard.

God, the 33 engine plumes are just so fucking perfect. Looks totally unreal.

>>15869731
>Russian S series
>shooting anything down but their own aircraft
Doubtful.

>>15869680
Undoubtedly some wave reflecting from the OLM that they haven't realized

>>15869719
https://polymarket.com/markets?_c=space&_q=SpaceX
There are a few up on Polymarket.

>>15869691
It's 2-3 months until next one.

>>15869739
delete this
higher quality was already posted >>15869708

>>15869741
Looks like you got lost, this isn't /k/

>>15869739
The largest shock diamonds ever

>>15869731
i doubt it, you seen that recent russian missile test that also failed at 2nd stage? and that one's not even supposed to be orbital.

>>15869742
thank you for posting a twitter picture with literally no useful information

>>15869680
Since most of it is around the seams I'm guessing the attachments there are inferior for some reason.

>>15869749
>s400 fanboy thinks his delusions are safe outside of /k/
lmao.

>>15869748
Elon's serious thinking face

>>15869722
My theory is that the azimuth or trajectory placed them outside of the bounds of the approved flight path and they were obligated to ignite FTS.

>>15869731
>>15869741
GO BACK TO /K/OPE YOU FUCKING SAMEFAGGING TRANNY
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>15869754
are you retarded or blind

>>15869742
THEYRE ALREADY UP AND FLYING???? ITS BEEN 2 HOURS

>>15869673
HLS and all of its refueling launches could launch totally expendable. Each expendable launch would need to cost over $250m in order to even match the price of -one- SLS-Orion launch.

>>15869760
*snifff*
would you look at thbat delicious seethe.

>>15869763
TFR is only temporary

>>15869759
>>15869722
The plume anomaly at t+7:40 suggests some kind of failure before FTS

>>15869760
I HATE TOURISTS R33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333

>>15869760
whoa, something got on your nerves there, maybe you should calm down a bit.

*record scratch*

Yeah -- that's me. I bet you're wondering how I got in this situation...

>>15869761
are you?
either post the stage 0 pics or fuck off

It's fucking exploded. Two fucking time. That's an utter failure. You will not gaslight me into believing otherwise.

>>15869760
ukraine will win
starship will fly
israel will kill everyone in gaza
SEETHE

Literally nothing happened to the OLM, not even the paint got scratched. It was that easy.

>>15869688
You fucking idiot it blew up because the FTS was triggered.

>>15869708
Love the plume honestly, it's so cool how you can clearly see the engines instead of just a giant firestorm

>>15869742
Why post this shit? Why not just post the flyover images directly? Kill yourself.

>>15869777
If you said this about the SLS I would be more inclined to agree

But they have a whole fucking rocket factory over there

>>15869775
It all started with the Fish and Wildlife Service and some really nasty dung beetles...

>>15869781
that is some potent bait.

>>15869785
I don't have them yet

>Starship: second launch, second failure
Do all journalists have personal beef with Musk or something?

>>15869782
That's what no micro concrete bullets does

>>15869647
Use orig.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_OUtKibkAA4grW?format=jpg&name=orig

thank goodness we got that launch over with, now we can go back to TOTAL KIKE DEATH

>>15869687
>>15869765
spacex is building raptors fast but they can't afford to throw 39 away for each tanker launch

>>15869777
>overKIKES STILL trying to jew newfags into believing this was a failure
KEEEEEEEK NUSPACESHITHEADS REALLY ARE THIS GULLIBLE

>>15869782
It's over.

>>15869767
>>15869772
>>15869781
No one cares about your slavshit and sandnigger wars. Go to /pol/, /k/ope, /lgbt/, or wherever you came from.

>>15869721
Hotstage went perfect, it was the flip and boost back that killed the Booster. Likewise Starship's death was unrelated to hotstaging, which occurred like 5 minutes previously.

what is china saying?

>>15869791
Have you been living in a hole for the past couple of years? No shit they do.

>>15869776
they have flown yet, and that is obvious by the xeeter post. you'll have to be patient.

collage-anon where you at

>>15869672
>Delian
Varda fraud

Post Launch Flyover in 2 hours
https://youtu.be/kUtttpHmt3U

>>15869804
then why did you post it
delete it

>>15869791
Yes, literally. He says stuff that they find problematic.

>>15869800
>ching chong nip nong?

I'm calling it now, it was an AFTS error. Starship performance was nominal.

>>15869782
Welll yeah, no powerslide this time. And they throttled up almost immediately

>>15869777
Yep, it was objectively a failure. Hopefully they're able to finally fix all the problems but I have concerns going by the jackass in charge of SpaceX.

>>15869777
>WTF IT EXPLODED EARLY THIS WAS NOTHING LIKE MY STAR WARS SEQUELS?!?!

Id like to be frogbaptized into backdom

>>15869816
Nice fudposting, dipshit.

https://twitter.com/DJSnM/status/1725899367465554000
>I used the MECO time reference to resync the display for the Starship termination, and you can see a puff of gas two seconds before we see the engines stop, so I think something bad happened in the second stage engines before a bigger event actually stopped them.
>Not sure this is FTS

>>15869808
i'll post it again. reread it slowly while we wait for pictures and you can practice your comprehension

>>15869782
Padrepair bros, what does this mean for our careers?

>>15869817
HWABAG

>>15869795
>they can't afford to throw 39 away for each tanker launch

Raptor marginal cost is $1 million with a goal of $250k. That is very affordable, even if they were non-reusable.

>>15869810
>we have to wait 6 months again?
>if it was here it will fly again in 2 weeks

>>15869818
Join me in the waters, brother. We are all BACK on this glorious day

>>15869638
The FAA's function is purely to transfer technology to China

>>15869817
what a tasteful jak, saved!

>>15869791
Yes, he said jews need to stop preading anti white racism

>>15869823
the catalog will be flooded with /sfg/ threads then

Yes, I will keep falseflagging as an OVERbro.
Yes, I will keep samefagging.
Yes, I will bait newfags and retards.
No, I will not stop.

>>15869821
Overlay is desynced with the actual video so I don't put much stock in this, I'm pretty sure it was FTS.

>>15869800
China is rightfully making fun of us for our spectacular failure that has set back our space program for decades thus guaranteeing China's leadership in space for the foreseeable future. Impressive. With a single explosion the decadent United States of America offered the entire Solar System to China.

>>15869817
This times infinity and beyond

>>15869826
they can only make one a day
it would take over half a year to get enough engines prepared

>>15869795
We are at the point where I don't think I believe this arhument anymore. I legit think that SpaceX could build a stockpile of engines (& boosters & tankers) fast enough to keep up to the HLS launch schedule without reusability. It would be more expensive & rate limited obviously but I think SpaceX could brute force it to make NASA happy if necessary.

i wonder when the road will re-open, it's come past a couple times already

>>15869842
>it would take over half a year to get enough engines prepared
And?

>>15869838
anon he literally said he resynced it

>>15869816
fuck off :)

>>15869821
To my eyes it looks like the first puff is the FTS blowing, and the second is the actual ship RUD. About a second delay or so

>>15869846
and what about starlink launches?

>>15869842
> There are 39 days in six months.

So, how's MATH for GED Students going for you this semester?

>>15869836
Space board needed now more than ever

Anyone have better views of the hotstaging?

>>15869639
I fucking hate tiles. They thought they might be an interim solution. But tiles are so shit they won't even do that right.

>>15869847
It doesn't work like that dummy. The overlay isn't perfect even for Falcon 9 launches. A gap of half a second or so is nothing.

>>15869842
Anon, are you unaware of the required HLS mission cadence? It could take SpaceX a year to build the engines for one HLS landing & it would not slow down the Artemis schedule.

January launch. Backbros, I'm calling it

>>15869851
> He thinks F9 and Starship use the same engine.

This is really not the thread for you. Why not outside and play?

>>15869643
Redefine the length of days.

LIFTOFF INTO THE DAWN

THE DAWN OF A NEW ERA

>>15869711
he has no proof for the HPU failure, but it is the most reasonable point of failure that would get the AFTS to activate. other options for starship failure are a failure of one or more engines, possibly also plumbing related. the autogenous pressurization could have had some unknown issue occur when the tanks get near empty, or maybe a turbo sucked some gas. other anons have theorized that the loss of communications made the AFTS go off, but starship uses 100% internal guidance and I don't think it needs ground telemetry to keep flying, so I don't buy the loss of comms abort mode idea.

Tiles are fine & will work perfectly once SpaceX gets Starship to the point of actually testing the heat shield. Just like every other tech problem on Starship, they go on a priority list and get solved once it makes sense to focus on solving them.

>>15869861
anon the whole point of starship is the new starlinks

>>15869658
>rApiDly rEuSabLe
They aren't even usable.

>>15869853
its 39 engines PER tanker
do you know how many tankers are needed per HLS mission anon?
at least 6

>>15869782
It's uncanny how easy it is

Overcels trying to memoryhole the entire concept of iterative design KEEEK

kino overload digging through X

>>15869782
The tanks look dented.

>>15869879
Now we just need to 'shop 5 more next to this one

>>15869828
Speak for yourself

>>15869881
That was from the first launch

>>15869639
The absolute STATE of Starship. Reusable my ass. It's going to pull a Columbia whenever it reenters lmfao.

>>15869881
Thats from IFT-1 negroid

>>15869875
>it's so real it looks fake

>>15869639
look at how the detached tiles are concentrated on certain rings that visibly look different to the other surfaces, there is hope as large portions of other areas are intact

>>15869889
Holy shit I know you said youre false flagging but youre going to give CSS and Thunderf00t unironic hope

>>15869782
Water be like that

>>15869892
>there is hope
Lmfao starshipcels really are coping

>>15869865
https://www.youtube.com/live/BLlctxJnxy8
I've been telling you guys, TF is a secret SpaceX fan. He gets off to people thinking he's smarter than Elon/SpaceX, but he's not stupid. He does what makes money. Ok maybe a little stupid with that Redstone comment

>>15869782
>they just left the tanks like that
I love SpaceX so much

>>15869892
Its along the weld lines of the ring segments

>>15869708
anon will move the goalpost, 25% Raptor relight failure, it's over for elon musk

>>15869722
Plover massed suicide attack

>>15869681
>we're mass producing these, I can do this all day
This is literally the dream of Starship.

Reentry live streamers in complete disarray

>>15869639
Those ship tiles are falling on my head, they keep falling…

>>15869722
An endangered bird hit it. Expect another wildlife investigation and a fine!

>>15869869
Starlink doesn't NEED Starship. F9 cost down and reusability is way ahead of the curve and could complete the constellation. Elon upsized the new Starlink to fit his Starship for building his Mars Reich, because he was building it anyway, but that wasn't a requirement.

Frankly, if SpaceX had a real Board of Directors, they never would have signed-off the new sats and Starship. It's not a cost effective plan for actual revenue for 10 years.

>>15869866
The most obnoxious watermark

>>15869910
Depending on when engines cut off they might still be in luck. If it truly was triggered by a comms issue and was on the correct trajectory already then the debris will make it to Hawaii, or thereabouts

The EDA tracker videos in 4K are what im waiting for

>>15869918
5 hours in paint

Well thats it. No major pad damage, no fuckups over land. FWS will probably fuck off. FAA will require that SpaceX fix whatever caused the booster explosion. Meanwhile SpaceX does its S28 and B10 testing campaigns. IFT-3 probably done in january 2024, then IFT-4, 5, 6 and 7 maybe more if PEA is altered. Bet it reaches orbit and re-enters perfectly by 4. And a pad at the cape will hopefully be built by end of 2024. We're out of the doom era.

>>15869917
>Starlink doesn't NEED Starship
it literally does

>>15869923
that'd be wild

>>15869869
>starship AKA MCT
okay retard

>>15869917
Starlink does NEED Starship, because Falcon 9 can launch only mini versions.

>>15869839
China will grow larger

ROAD IS OPEN
GO GO GO

>>15869415
Just now saw this, thanks for translating anon, Clear made it back safely, now it's time for me to check out and head home, I'll see you fuckers at the next launch o7

>>15869926
I'll say March, whoch is 4 months for repairs, starship modifications, testing, and approval. 7 months for pad repairs, ship repairs, testing, regulation from IFT1 to IFT2.

soooo where is second stage?

>>15869941
In China already.

>>15869941
In a better place.

>>15869941
We just don't know.

Not even SpaceX knows.

>>15869658
Why don't they just put more tiles underneath so if any fall off, there will still be tiles?

>>15869938
Well done

>>15869954
This looks like CGU

>>15869954
Amazing how far those gases expand.

>>15869956
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1725905127113183535
Source is SpaceX's tracking cams

>>15869954
God damn unreal

>>15869898
holy shit, the thunderf00t livechat is hilarious. its all people hoping for it to explode and saying its cgi when it lifted off

>>15869961
No I know it's real it's just so fucking futuristic that it looks like CGI, in a good way

>>15869940
IFT-1 repairs were way more difficult and extensive. A lot of that booster testing was slowed down by the fact that they needed to repair the launch pad. There was a whole debris area that wasn't cleared because of FWS being slow. FTS problems were also quite severe which probably made FAA much nore hesitant to approve quickly. 2 months makes more sense.

>>15869926
nah, we'll be out of the doom era if IFT3 makes it to orbit

>>15869972
Depends on if they use B10 and S29 or B11+S?? I have a feeling they'll want to skip B10 and move to something more advanced to have a higher chance of success.

>>15869954
>>15869961
My god it's beautiful

Pad survived

>>15869940
>4 months for repairs
About 10 days for repairs. Take your meds

>>15869898
wait thunderfoot looks like or is a tranny?
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>15869938
Why are the Swiss crosses blocked out

>>15869976
throwback to the doom posters saying this was an impossible challenge to solve

>>15869954
are those warp demons?

>>15869976
I like this reusable pads meme...

>>15869976
>no repairs
>no 2+ months rebuilding the launchpad this time
We are so back it is not even funny

>>15869979
I keep telling you anons, reading comprehension

>>15869982
reflections

>>15869982
he needs to hide his goblin face

>>15869986
>4 months of FAA investigation

>>15869972
the pad was fixed in two months. I took 3 months off the time. the long lead will be regulatory approval, same as this time

>>15869976
hundreds of tons of metal were evaporated... it won't be lasting 5 launches

>>15869976
SEND ANOTHER ONE

>>15869993
but FTS worked this time and no FWS investigation is needed

>>15869998
>no FWS investigation is needed
Yeah, because they killed all the fishes and the beetles.

>>15869998
Mayhaps, the fish shit did add 1 unnecessary month. 3 months it is

Looks like OLM came through okay
https://twitter.com/StarshipGazer/status/1725905891470242094

>people here unironically celebrates the success of a rocket that literally blew up
I have never seen cope on this level EVER.

>>15869673
Refueling is even a bigger meme than full reusability.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_OBSYdXkAAnluD?format=jpg&name=orig
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_Ofj2qa4AANufZ?format=jpg&name=orig
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_OfmAkbEAAOBrk?format=jpg&name=orig
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_OftU3boAAp0of?format=jpg&name=orig
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_OfzEfaUAEZjol?format=jpg&name=orig
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_OUr-8aMAABvIf?format=jpg&name=orig
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_OUsi7akAAMa4j?format=jpg&name=orig
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_OUsV6bgAEyA86?format=jpg&name=orig
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_OUtKibkAA4grW?format=jpg&name=orig

>>15870007
What's gonna be their cope in a year when we're at bi-monthly launches?

>>15870007
The used up booster exploded, the main ship did fine. Feeling nervous, Bezos?

>>15870007
Be honest /sfg/, would you?

>>15870003
3 months is my prediction too, I disagree with the guy saying 2 months, SpaceX will need to spend some time analyzing the data and developing fixes.

>>15870019
No

There's a good chance Starship flies more times in 2024 than ULA flies at all

>>15869658
How many tiles can they lose before it explodes on reentry?

It's better that the FTS activated. It can now be used as a tax write off. Think about it logically.

>>15869926
I'm gonna bet on January and plan for February

>>15870020
2 weeks

>>15870027
my guess is like around 10 maximum depending on where the tiles are lost

>>15870020
I do wonder what the fix will be for the engine relights. They solved it with the ship in hop testing, now I wonder about what it'll take to fix on the booster. also the ship loss is perplexing

>>15869658
>Nooo my tiles are falling off infront of everyone how lewd

>>15870019
I wouldn't even be able to get my peeker inside

Be honest with me, will this thing ever carry humans?

please post videos of the launch taken by ordinary spectators in texas and mexico

>>15870038
Yes

>15870008
Bait

>>15870039
(you) for effort and only for effort

>>15870027
nobody knows

>>15870038
imo, it would be wise to launch a human rated starship into orbit without humans then use falcon 9 to send a dragon to starship and dock with starship because dragon actually has the safer abort system and starships is maybe a little less dangerous than the shuttle was.

>>15870039
Should have been the big red abort button at the top of the altimeter since that is what really happened not the vessel overheating

>>15870019
No.

>>15869992
To be fair, figuring out what went wrong and fixing those issues is very important. Sure, SpaceX technically could slap the engines on BN10 and launch again next week, but there wouldn't be a point since it would most likely go same way IFT-2 did.

>>15869976
It literally looks brand new.

>>15869638
so in the best case they could even launch before year end

>>15870055
The Leidenfrost effect is OP

>>15870050
Elon would rather kill an entire crew than admit failure

>>15869670
they fix the most difficult parts first, thats why they kept testing Starship at first for example
and they keep focus, after the other shit works then this can be looked at harder if its still not working at that point, i.e. the few engineers and so on that have been looking at this get more people

>>15869976
>Pad has actually been thoroughly cleaned off by the blast of superheated steam

>>15870061
its not failure to do that, it's wise. starship desu should be a hauler not a crew craft, oh well.

>>15869657
based

>>15870050
Makes more sense to launch a nuclear powered vessel using starship and then send people in a dragon to board it. Then use the nuclear powered vessel to go back and forth between mars and earth

>>15870064
I wonder if it's still warm. Imagine taking a nap on a nice toasty steamy launch pad after a Starship launch. I imagine it would be extremely cozy.

>>15869791
But... that's literally what happened?

What is the cope for OFT2 having the informative transparency of a North Korean satellite launch? Not a single on board camera was shown on stream. Not even telemetry.

>>15870071
>I imagine it would be extremely cozy
Yeah, extremely cozy

>>15869976
uhhhh fondag doubters?
now cover the whole outer area with fondag

BBC
>Elon Musk's Starship rocket goes further and higher - but is then lost
The Guardian
>SpaceX’s Starship reaches space for first time but explodes moments later
The Times
>SpaceX Starship self-destructs after successful launch and test flight
A few worse ones.
Daily Mail
>Elon Musk's SpaceX rocket blows up again: Starship reaches space then loses contact with ground control moments after launch - as tycoon sends congratulations to his team
Sky News
>SpaceX loses contact with Starship mega rocket after explosions during second test flight

>>15869658
Why did they give up on just pumping the cryo fuel around the belly for reentry?

>>15870080
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Daily Mail
Irrelevant

>>15870070
NTR are a meme.

>>15869672
>Mueller confirmed, raptor failures to relight killed the booster.
During the attempted relight of stage-1, you can see it attempted to relight the inner ring of engines but about half actually did. I bet it threw the booster in to a bad arc and the force of the spin caused fueling issues that resulted in FTS activation.

>>15869748
Who's the rainbow cowboy?

>>15870070
i have always seen starship as the rocket that would be helping to make the interplanetary vehicles rather than actually being one.

>>15870089
Elon's brother

>>15870088
I'm pretty sure they only try to relight one half of them to slow rotation. They were on the side opposing the direction of spin. I think it was the engines exploding that did it in.

This is really cool
https://twitter.com/debapratim_/status/1725872509969654220

Looks like it could be the cover of a SpaceX engineer's autobiography or something

>>15870088
>and the force of the spin caused fueling issue
Who could have thought that counter-ullage could have a negative effect

>>15869820
>Fluffy booster

I thought only the Raptor VACs was going to fire during hot staging but it seems like all 6 engines did?

>>15870099
Yeah, they confirmed it would be all six at the start of the stream. They're gimballed outward towards the circumference as well, to minimize stress on the booster.

>>15870093
Its possible the next booster using all newer engines could solve this issue already.

Why not have the booster engines eject and land separately?

If someone denied the moon landings to you, how would you respond?

>>15870105
call them retarded and walk away

>>15870105
I do not respond. There is no point in speaking with the mentally dead.

>>15870105
I'd probably point out the low gravity dust effects.

>>15870042
The noise https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv5mPQM7RxU

>>15870105
By sending them to the moon. With only a week of life support

>>15870105
Ask why the Soviets didn't deny them

>>15870042
>>15870108
Looks crazy from this angle how much it goes to the side, just get the fuck away from the tower https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUbxGkBc7GU

>>15869638
How long did the investigation last for OFT-1?

>>15870116
Interesting. It was still leaking fire on the skirt just like last time. But on only on one side this time and it went away after the first few seconds

>>15870105
change subject, ask them how much they like the latest dragon quest game.

>>15870094

>>15870126
I came

>>15870093
>I'm pretty sure they only try to relight one half of them to slow rotation. They were on the side opposing the direction of spin. I think it was the engines exploding that did it in.
Possible. It still seemed like the booster really took off after stage separation, not nearly as aggressive as F9 (granted they are different rockets, but still). Or it could have been the camera angle. Just shit posting until we get an official word.

>>15870126
Gorgeous

hullo thinks the booster was destoryed by the prop slamming to the other end as a fluid hammer, not the fts.

>>15870116
Isn't that the first launch? That vid shows it taking 10 seconds to clear the tower.

>>15870042
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuYLHrudQVI
Really good sense of scale on this one.

>>15870105
If they had some specific question I was able to answer, I'd explain that to them, but if it's like a situation where we're just hanging out I'd have no interest getting into one of those discussions, I've had them online in the past and it just never ends

>>15870105
>If someone denied the moon landings to you, how would you respond?
Go deeper, surpass their stupidity:
"You think the moon is real??"

>>15869639
>Advertising plummeting on Twitter
>White House proclaims Elon an antisemite
>rocket explodes
>rocket loses numerous tiles
This is Christmas

>>15870126
Source on that?

>>15870116
That's clearly the first launch

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1725900718673113544

>>15870131
Might be actually. Here's another one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypos0IElPu4

>all these vids are shorts
Can shorts just be aborted please?

https://twitter.com/search?q=rocket%20woke%20up&src=typed_query&f=live
change rocket to earthquake too
mexicans are pissed lmao

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1725913354185945452

>>15870141
>Can shorts just be aborted please?
God yes please

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1725912284864901445

>>15870144
does anyone have videos of the shaking btw?

>>15870132
>someone will hear this two times per week at some point

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1725918203778678979

Where are all the people who were complaining about dust being dropped nearby?

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1725890107952218239

Camera right near the launch mount no diffed the engine plume. I love water.

>>15870144
It's okay, they'll go back to sleep in a couple of hours

>>15870135
Kek

>>15870130
you can't engineer your way around that unfortunately. the dream of rapid reuseability is dead.

>>15869692
>he thinks SpaceX would let the HPU fail after it already happened to them.

>>15870152
Yeah...that launch paid is not fine. A chunk of SOMETHING got yeeted. Picrel towards the start.

>>15870144
ay dios mio the gringos made me wake up at 7AM

>>15870152

>>15870163
Literally a bird

>>15870165
Holy shockwave kino

Anybody got the newest chart of all the boosters and starships currently being built?

>>15870164
>>15870158
a bunch of texans are pissed too
probably a ton of complaints after this

>>15870163
A little while later
>>15870167
It happens just after increasing throttle, looks like it follows an arc starting from the bottom of the rocket.

houses 20 miles away were shaking

>>15870130
Why doesn't he just accept that it was the engines.

>>15870070
Good idea but politically impossible at the moment

>>15869877
>iterative des-
>*8 months later*
>-ACK

>>15869877
Iterative design, also known as thoughtless design. Failed design!

Anyways. Now that that's over.. Back to our discussion on the Space Shuttle...

>>15870177
>It happens just after increasing throttle, looks like it follows an arc starting from the bottom of the rocket.

Yep, likely a full raptor decided to check out.
Stop being dumb

>>15870177
Here's an earlier frame.

The frame from just before the booster exploded, seems pretty clear that it was FTS since you see a puncture at the upper tank

>First look at stage zero post Starship IFT 2!

https://x.com/RGVaerialphotos/status/1725921344808771806?s=20

>>15870165
Why is fucking plume so tall, twice the size of the rocket?

>>15870192
well, it does look intact

looks like a bird to me

>>15870192
I wonder how many launches it can withstand

>>15870007
why did you post your gooning material

cool as fuck video
https://twitter.com/drajgibson/status/1725915717571109053

>>15870194
because it's a huge fucking rocket with an enormous amount of thrust

Could the unretracted grid fins have something to do with the booster explosion?

>>15870200
Either bird or a sheet of something

>>15870201
About 250

>>15870190
>>15870200
You can see it popping between the dust clouds. I'm pretty sure it's not a bird.

FWS?
why are they walking into the wetlands?

wait did starship actually get picked up by earthquake sensors?

>>15870207
It would be pretty strange if they were retracted, anon.

>>15870214
Starship is so fucking awesome

>>15870214
ofc
each engine is nearly a gigawatt of energy

starship just flew over my house

>>15869639
10+ launches per Moon trip btw ;)

>>15870214
Can't imagine anybody living within 40 miles of the base if they intend to fly these several times per month, with the apocalypse noises and vibration it just seems too much

>>15870215
I meant retracted. Falcon 9 launches with them tucked in and retracts them during landing.

So

Why did the 1st stage explode
Why did the 2nd stage explode

>>15869743
Gee I wonder why flame trenches exist

>>15870224
Would be great. You wouldn't need to watch porn ever again

uh oh

Are all engines installed in B10?

>>15870227
>Why did the 1st stage explode
Hydraulic issues with the engines resulting in an engine fire
>Why did the 2nd stage explode
ULA sniper

>>15870226
anon, superheavy can't retract them. It's impossible.

Starship debris cloud on NOAA weather radar

>Your company needs to get the hell out of Brownsville. I can't believe I have to deal with my house being shook for the rest of my life

>>15870237
That's what I'm asking retard. Why design it differently from Falcon 9?

Booster debris cloud.

>>15870227
>Why did the 1st stage explode
FTS triggered due to staging damage
>Why did the 2nd stage explode
FTS due to loss of telemetry/deviation from launch corridor

>>15870235
funny.
It was the plumbing or the fts. I would be really surprised .
>>15870240
because the aerodynamic losses are less of an issue than the mass of the mechanism(s) needed to retract them.

>>15870231
QDC got damaged?

>>15870241
>k, bro

Retarded question maybe, but why do rockets make a crackling noise instead of like a steady roar like jets? The sound barrier being broken over and over?

>>15870235
>Hydraulic issues with the engines
didn't this booster switch over to an electrical system?

>>15870248
Instability in combustion

>>15870245
Looks like it

>>15870231
wait did it rip clean off? where's the holes?

>>15870248
Combustion instabilities, ones not ironed out in the afterflow like jet engines do

>>15869680
Because they really need to rethink how they attach those fuckers if they want them to stay put.

any other better views of the booster exploding?
https://twitter.com/RudyForTexas/status/1725865649514102883

>>15870231
what is the issue?

I have a theory i would like to talk about :
The ship , at the 6min mark , we can see a big puff of something. Just before that it was travelling at ~6km/s . The amount of fuel it had was definitely not enough to reach orbit. The ship was underperforming big time , there is no way they was barely with any fuel left and still had 1.7km/s left to reach orbit and without any payload.

>>15870243
>staging damage
you're a retard. hot staging happens at the top and there were engines exploding at the bottom

>>15870248
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdCizNwLaHA
great video on this if you want more details

>>15870231
>>15870255
oh it's just a cover plate jose was already up there.
seems fine

When are we going to see Starship Heavy?

>>15870258
https://twitter.com/RudyForTexas/status/1725864664481841249
great perspective on how far the booster was away when it exploded

>>15870214
>you will never own a spaceship so powerful it shakes the Earth

>>15870261
The punch of 6 engines firing simultaneously on top of a rigid tank might be enough to shake the engines at the bottom the wrong way.

>>15870260
you might be right, though the last bit of fuel is most efficient since the craft is the least massive and i wouldn't put too much stock into the graphics numbers

>>15870266
Imagine launchpad needed to make sure it doesn't destroy everything

>>15870260
You underestimate how much of the delta V you get from the last percantages of fuel.

>>15870266
>cracks the earth's crust
nothin personnel

>>15870231
I love taking pictures of random shit at launch sites and posting "uh oh" next to them

>>15870271
100% tungsten

https://twitter.com/asimregmi1998/status/1725918953052991900
holy kino.....

>>15870273
>Mining engineers
>"Can you launch it from this ore deposit or mountain pass? Thanks."

>>15870272
humans are generally shit at exponentials, our brains are very linear

>>15870269
Unlikely given they weren't perturbed by 33 firing in close proximity.
Much more likely to be something along the lines of slosh, ullage collapse and bubble ingestion given the sporty maneuver.

we broke the record for most launches in a year

>>15870259
>>15870274
It's supposed to be perpendicular to the ship, retards.

>>15870279
or maybe POGO

>>15870270
>>15870272
Correct , but partially. Why? The ship has to arrive at orbit with at least 150t of fuel left . There is no way that the ship would be empty just to reach orbit with no payload

>>15870238
Forgot something important.

Jesus christ, who the fuck is that annoying as woman in Estrogenauts live stream? Literally made it unwatchable.

Could the horizontal compression from the much higher g load at full superheavy thrust be the reason for the tileocalypse?

>>15870287
Cosmic perpective's wife

The guy who takes all those high quality 8k detailed pics of the moon was there to take pics of Starship

>>15870284
Both Starship and especially the Booster were underfueled. It was fueled just enough to make the suborbital flight plan. Not for a 150 tonne payload to LEO.

>>15870287
I thought the same, she brings no value, he should just collab with clear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUtttpHmt3U

33min to RGV flyover stream

>>15870292

>>15870293
>white woman bad
>yellow woman hiding behind anime avatar good

>>15870289
No they just glued the tiles at all the seams and knew it was shit.
Newer tiles are still glued in places but they started testing each one with a suction cup.
Real Starship will have pins for almost all of them so tile FUD seems stupid

>>15870279
Yeah but the 33 engines were firing from below. The sudden pressure/deceleration from the Starship engines firing on top must feel like hitting a wall.
I really hope we get some updates about what went wrong, I'm super curious.

>>15870214
what are the fish and wildlife implications?

>>15870296
I doubt she's white.

>>15870296
All I know is that one is obsessed with rockets and the other just babbles inanely

>>15870296
>woman