/sci/ - Science & Math

>597 replies at stage
that's not so bad I guess. /sfg/ is not completely dead

crazy that this launch was only a month before IFT-1

this thread is already fucked. shit bake by a newfag op. he even spelled the title wrong again. someone stage, and properly this time.

>>15843843
i asked for no autist drama i am unrelated from what happened last thread can we please just not do that this thread and move on. you can spell it whatever way you want

>>15843843
Anon wants a Spacefight General over here

>>15843858
please no just have a nice /sfg/ this time i beg

more like sperg fag general

me rn watching the cosmic microwave background radiate

ey gringos is good to go

>>15843843
If you make a parralel thread again I will murder you this is a legally actionable threat

>>15843867
cool, only 14 days to go

>>15843872
are you blind retard? launch is in 7 days

>>15843867
2 more weeks. I have $50k riding in this pos, let’s gooo

>>15843873
the 13th is two weeks from now

>>15843876
oh yeah, my bad

>2050
>mars colony has a population of only 960k people
>Musk btfo once again

>>15843843
new pasta

>>15843876
anon...

Is there anywhere I can gamble on starship launch dates?

A fortnight

>>15843864
Make this a gif yah? I want to use this but am phonefagging

No license, no dice. OverGODS sweep until the official FAA website posts a license, dont even THINK about saying < 2 weeks until then.

>>15843885
https://polymarket.com/event/will-spacexs-starship-reach-outer-space-by

Kill all anti spacexers

>>15843893
This is N1 thoughbeit

>>15843894
Are you suretain?

>>15843892
>7.8k bet

Lame, how's a nigga meant to make money with that kind of pot

Are we an Irina or Usui board?

>>15843875
wait, you can bet on rocket launches? where?

>>15843905
nvm, unironically a crypto site would be better because no cap.

>>15843887
the gif is 33MiB :(

>>15843858
> black suits and spaceship
sounds like a bad idea

>>15843900
there are other prediction markets but that is the first one that came up

Just gave it a quick look, shit's worse than kickstarter projects-wise.

>>15843813
i want to see a lauch irl bros

>>15843887

>>15843914

>>15843924
Thanks

WTF Doomersisters I thought we had this in the bag!

https://twitter.com/SheriffGarza/status/1721737896669938055

>>15843948
Le Reddit Army is working overtime to stop this

>>15843948
>non-flight testing activities

>>15843948
Read >>15843890
>>15843950
>anyone who disagrees with me is leddit
meds now
>>15843951
This, frogGODS win again

>>15843948
I would go stealthcamp at Boca Chica if it weren't so flat and desert, no good treelines to post up in.

>>15843962
The whole beach section is big dunes and scrub, would be very easy there honestly.

>>15843962
good luck getting shot

>>15843978
>IF YOU CAMP THERE YOURE GOING TO GET FUCKING FILLED WITH LEAD BRO

Have you ever left your suburban area soi faggot?

>>15843977
Terrible coverage, especially with drones and planes flying around. It wouldn't be good for very long.
>>15843982
This, it's like 1 guy out of 50 who actually yells at you for being where you're not supposed to be, and 1 out of 1000 who has a gun handy. It's an unrealistic expectation.

>>15843984
it's south texas by the border next to an ITAR controlled weapons site and a cartel stronghold. go fuck around and find out, i dare you

>>15843987
like 3 people have trespassed at starbase so far, all walked around for a while before being simply apprehended. the security there sucks.
>dude that walked up to hopper
>crazy woman who went to the high bay bar
>3rd I forget the details of

>>15843987
>it's south texas by the border next to an ITAR controlled weapons site and a cartel stronghold. go fuck around and find out, i dare you

It's a wildlife reserve and park that boomers with their 4wds have been camping out on for decades and I'm sure still do if there is no closure. You are a hysterical moron, no one is going to shoot you for camping on a fucking public beach.

>>15843989
That certified retard (like actual IQ 50) mexican guy. So if you wanna be in company with a manic crazy lady and a retarded wetback, be my guest. You should go stand under hopper now and see, security is light as you say

>>15843993
>You should go stand under hopper now and see, security is light as you say

Yeah this seems comparable to putting a tent up in the sand dunes 5 miles away in a public park that is freely accessible.

>>15843993
>>15843987
>>15843978
>"STOP BEING NEAR HERE RIGHT NOW!"

>>15843997
/sfg/ has a problem with authority

This dude is saying they will shoot you for sleeping in a tent on a public beach because it's near muh ITAR, meanwhile there are dozens of HD zoomed in cameras live streaming the site. Lol lmao even

>>15843987
My post did say I WOULD camp if there was a good spot, but lamented that there was none. You responded as if I was going to camp there.
You are a retard.
>>15843999
Yeah weren't there a fuckload of campers parked a few miles away for OFT-1? I don't mean tents I mean vehicle campers, but at that distance it wouldn't surprise me if there were some tents on the beach too.

>>15844000
IFT-1*
It was never orbital.

>>15843948
>Non flight

No... over sissies were supposed to lose...

>>15844005
Thats overDEITIES to (You), backshit

>>15844000
Depends what you mean. There were zero people in the USA exclusion zone for OFT1, plenty of mexicans chillin 2 miles from the launch (inside the 5-mile exclusion zone). Most Americans were watching from South Padre Island

>>15843989
I mean what are they even gonna do? Launch a rocket?

>>15844010
>>15844003
Stop wrongthinking

>>15844010
Yeah outside the exclusion zone is what I meant, what I always meant. I don't want to camp up against Starbase's fence, fuck that.

>>15844015
Ok calm down

>>15844015
Who are you hiding from then?

>>15843818
The duplicate thread didn't even make it to 400. Sad!

>>15844019
Lookie-loos. Passerbys. Nosey sorts. You know, interlopers.
>>15844018
Never!

>https://twitter.com/byEricMJohnson/status/1721645440347566220

SpaceX revenues going to be ~$15 billion next year. Of that, ~$10B from Starlink alone.

>>15844046
Also this year, the revenue is ~$9B.

SpaceX flywheel rolling

>>15844010
Mexico is epic, they don't give a crap about gay turtles either, they eat them. SpaceX should just move a couple miles south and they'd never have to worry about faggy zogbot (((scientists))) costing them a 7 month delay between test fights ever again.

>>15844046
not after they trigger a cascading envelope of space debris :)

SLC-40's almost man ready.

>>15844074
AX-3 will likely be the first to launch from here

>>15844074
Needs moar cranes

>>15844054
>he actually fell for the orbital environmentalism meme

>>15844104
Its called de-orbit burn. Starlink V2 are great in that they burn up in orbit in ~1-3 months.

>>15844104
It won't be a meme once the Russians attempt to build their own megaconstellation.

john carmack should do rockets

>>15844108
I thought they were incompetent orcs who can't launch anything though my fellow /k/ poster?

>>15844104
and you fell for the bait

>>15844116
>>15844108
Gb2k

>>15844108
didn't Borisov just admit that they can only build 40 satellites a year? It's not happening.

>>15843813
excellent bake

>>15844124
>they cant do it
Yeah but when did that ever stop russia from trying and failing spectacularly?

>>15844046
How long ago was /sfg/ calculating that Starlink would be making tens of billions a year and giving SpaceX even more than NASA's entire annual budget?

>>15844203
I dont remember my calculations, but my prediction was it would be profitable in ~2-3 years time.

NASA's budget is ~$30B now isn't it? So from the projections, I suspect SpaceX's revenue will be ~30B in 3-4 more years

>>15843892
well this fucking sucks

>>15844221
Get a VPN newfag holy shit

>>15844234
You betray the law?

Here we are bros stuck another day with literal flat earthers on this planet. When are we finally leaving bros? I'm tired.. I'm tired of the delays and mishaps.

>>15844308
>When are we finally leaving bros?
uh you don't want to know bro.....

Reminder that Skyhook denialists are not welcome on /sfg/

>>15844116
Back to your trannycord cumchugger

>>15844247
Indeed, instead we’ll do it in 150 ton chunks

>>15844315
This is unironically pic related

starship will NOT launch in two weeks or three, or even four.

>still no lunar explorer gf to share a pressure chamber with
what went so incredibly wrong?

>>15844247
20 tons x 60 launch = 1200 ton @ 100B

1200 ton / 150 T = 8 launch

8 launch @ 100M = $800M

800M < $1B

>>15844333

>>15844359
AI slop

>>15844400
shittle slop

IT'S NOT OVER YET, ASTRABROS

imagine being 20 years behind nasa

>>15844414
>by 2028
So a contract not likely to last more than 2 years
uhhuh

>>15844414
They aren't even being serious about it, they're stipulating a timeline of 5 years whereas COTS was started all the way back in 2006 and it took 7 years to complete.

>>15844424
there was an article the other day that nasa is looking to extend ISS beyond 2030, but even still...i have no hopes for esa
https://spacenews.com/nasa-open-to-extending-iss-beyond-2030/

Payload has a new podcast with Tim Ellis

>>15844439
Is it any good? Rocket design stuff is interesting, but not proonter investor hype.

Shine lasers at Uranus

do we have a notam yet? is there one for hawaii?

>>15844451
Can't issue notams in Hawaii without the blessing of Wākea the sky father. It will have to wait for the ritual.

even if we had
>12 dragon launches a year + chinese and russian launches
>a couple dozen virgin/BO launches a year
it still would be only about 200 people into space, the equivalent of a single passenger plane

depressing

>>15844458
Starship will save us.
Also virgin flights make 0 difference to the amount of people in space since they don't go high enough.

>>15844439
was it interesting?

ESA is publishing the first images of their recently launched telescope Euclid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHWbe82zM8o

>>15843893
That's the kind of talk that gets the Secret Service at your front door.

>>15844052
Probably would if it wasn't for national security rules that make it impossible.

https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-launch-group-6-27

>>15844474
https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/
transporter 9 happening soon too

>>15844460
Even Elon is blackpilled on starship. Realistically high end capacity on Starship for a trip beyond LEO is 30 people rather than 200, and Elon has Xeeted before that the current iteration of Starship will not colonize Mars and a new engine beyond Raptor will need to be developed to colonize Mars.

>>15844487
so maybe the preset version of Starship is like what falcon 1 was to falcon 9. But in that case it raises the question of weither Elon can develope it in time before he becomes too old and loses his mental capability

>>15844487
That's not what I meant: I think that starship will eventually get us over 200 people in space simultaneously, not that one starship could carry more than 200 people.

>>15844412
Astra secures interim financing deal
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https://spacenews.com/astra-secures-interim-financing-deal/
> WASHINGTON — Launch vehicle and spacecraft propulsion company Astra Space said Nov. 6 that it has secured interim financing from two investors that gives the company through the end of next week to find additional funding.
> As part of the agreement, the investors will purchase the $8 million loan that Astra had from an unnamed institutional investor from August. Astra had defaulted on the terms of the loan agreement last week when its cash reserves dropped below $10.5 million, triggering a $3.1 million payment at a higher interest rate. The investors will also provide a $3.05 million bridge loan due Nov. 17, and purchase warrants for Astra stock.
> Astra said the new investors agreed to waive the default terms on both the loan they purchased as well as the new loan through Nov. 17. Doing so, the company said, will “provide Astra with time to raise additional liquidity through various capital raising and cost cutting initiatives and strategic transactions.”
> Astra has prioritized its propulsion business, moving personnel to it in August amid layoffs elsewhere in the company, because of a backlog of business it valued at the time at $77 million. That has meant a slowdown in work on the new Rocket 4 launch vehicle, and Astra said it now expects a first test launch of that rocket some time in 2024.

>>15844414
ESA to start commercial cargo program
---
https://spacenews.com/esa-to-start-commercial-cargo-program/
> WASHINGTON — The European Space Agency announced Nov. 6 it will start a competition to develop commercial vehicles to transport cargo to and from the International Space Station by 2028, a step towards developing a crewed vehicle.
> ESA’s member states, meeting in Seville, Spain, as part of the European Space Summit, endorsed a resolution directing the agency to take the first step in an effort patterned on NASA’s Commercial Orbital Transportation Services (COTS) program that would see European companies developing vehicles for cargo transport to the ISS and potentially future space stations.
> “I’m asking for a small but very impactful step, the first step that enables a much bigger ambition,” Josef Aschbacher, ESA director general, said in remarks at the opening of the ESA Council meeting there. “I propose a competition between innovative European companies to deliver a space cargo return service to transport cargo to the International Space Station by 2028 and bring it back to Earth.”
> Details about the competition have yet to be worked out.
> ESA members at the meeting also backed plans to provide support for Europe’s struggling launch industry and to open it up for competition.
> That includes what Aschbacher called “stabilized exploitation” for the Ariane 6 and Vega C launch vehicles. That comes in the form of guaranteed financial support for a tranche of 27 Ariane 6 rockets and spending up to 340 million euros a year for that vehicle. ESA will also provide similar support for a set of 17 Vega C rockets at up to 21 million euros a year.
> In parallel to that launch vehicle support, ESA said it will create a “challenge” or competition for launch services for an unspecified number of missions. Those launches will be open to any European provider.

>>15844487
its obvious that in a few decades we'll construct large interplanetary ships in leo. hundreds of starships will be launched to deliver passengers and supplies to each of them.

>>15844496
you may be right. Elon has had incredibly lucky timing. Commerical orbital resupply contracts came at the perfect time to get SpaceX off the ground, and what I see now is potentially a long term bad relationship between the west and oil producing countries. It's like the stars are aligning. Just like how it was planned in the 70's, we may turn to space to build orbital solar power farms if world politics gets more hectic. God willing.

>>15844502
HOW DOES ASTRA CONTINUE TO FIND SO MANY STUPID PEOPLE WITH SUCH DEEP POCKETS

>>15844509
I wonder if nuclear propulsion starts to make sense at that scale (might depend heavily on the specific tech of course)

>>15844509
Thats what they said the shuttle would do

Europe to hold competition to build space cargo ship!
https://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Europe_to_hold_competition_to_build_space_cargo_ship_999.html

>>15844514
chris kemp is probably very persuasive

>>15844333
>they're just going to hotstage now instead of this kino

>>15843987
You haven't been bullied enough for a post that stupid. Feel some shame, dumbass.

You didn't actually believe those HLS renders posted by David Willis were real/official, right?

>>15844513
>It's like the stars are aligning. Just like how it was planned in the 70's, we may turn to space to build orbital solar power farms if world politics gets more hectic. God willing.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win

>>15844538
I don't think O'Neillites have gotten past the ignoring part. Musk has, though.

>>15844414
Europe doesn't even have plausible plans for manned space flight. They're 60-80 years behind. Unfortunately in 60 years there won't be anyone who can read left alive in Eurostan.

>>15844532
I don't believe anything David Willis says

>>15844521
slurp slurp

>>15844541
Musk's rockets finally enable the 70s visions, that is the important part. Agreeing that a planetary surface is no place for an expanding industrial civilization comes later.

>>15844542
i wouldnt be surprised if its just a corrupt program to funnel millions into some rich guys bank account before they quietly shelve the program

>>15844576
>>>/lit/sffg/

>>15844518
Shuttle did that. Just to the tune of 135 launches not 1,350

>>15844581
nice

>>15844594
Is your niceness nice

>>15844594
Choose areas you want support. Don't treat me infinite and soon I will supply you.

>>15844441
>>15844462
It's okay. He's the polar opposite of Peter Beck.
Seems actually inspired and driven to not launch smallsats for the remainder of time.

>>15844604
Thank fuck. Beck should buy some rope (for rocketry purposes)

Holy fuck!

>>15844621
sauce

>https://twitter.com/PhotonEmpress/status/1721700338586042567
spacex's resident troon is on xer way to starbase to prepare the starship broadcast

. @esa governments OK $365M/year in exploitation support for #ariane6, $22.5M/year for Vega-C; @ArianeGroup agrees to ~11% Ariane 6 cost reduction; @Avio_Group to take over Vega commercialization from @Arianespace . @CNES @ASI_spazio @DLR_SpaceAgency

>>15844655
I forgot about this thing

>>15844655
Good for her!

>>15844656
>11%
lol, also wasn't it 40% and before that 50%? Also, 'exploitation support' is a bit on the nose. Europe is absolutely done in space.

>>15844664
They've always been incompetent as fuck

>>15844655

>>15844678
i miss the times when tech people were fat fuck geeks instead of trannies. same happened with arch

>>15844678
Looks happier than me. Maybe I should troon out.

>>15844689
the troon trend will fade or is already fading
troons will be looked as freaks again by the general public

>>15844689
don't be fooled. That's not a smile, that's AGP smirk.

>>15844689
If you even consider castration to be a solution to anything you should take a good long sit and have a hard think about things.

trying to stop the usual thread derail with cool pictures. Also meshed stage separators need to come back

Dish Network CEO makes early exit, LeoLabs data shows on-orbit maneuvers by Russian satellites
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https://spacenews.com/dish-network-ceo-makes-early-exit/
> TAMPA, Fla. — Dish Network said its CEO Erik Carlson is resigning Nov. 12 ahead of the broadcaster’s merger with EchoStar, its sister company focused on providing broadband services from space, after posting a steep drop in satellite TV customers.
> Announcing earnings results Nov. 6, Dish Network said net pay-TV subscribers fell by about 64,000 in the three months to Sept. 30 to 8.84 million, split between 6.72 million for its DISH TV satellite broadcast business and 2.33 million for its SLING TV streaming service.
---
https://spacenews.com/leolabs-data-shows-on-orbit-maneuvers-by-russian-satellites/
> WASHINGTON — The space tracking firm LeoLabs over the past year tracked two Russian satellites performing rendezvous and proximity operations. These satellites — Resurs-P3 and Cosmos-2562 — conducted maneuvers that offer a glimpse of the potential hazards that U.S. and allied spacecraft could face in low Earth orbit, the company said.
> LeoLabs said one of the takeaways from its analysis is that inactive satellites may be mischaracterized.
> “Resurs-P3 was assumed to be an inoperative satellite prior to its maneuver on 11 November 2022,” according to the briefing. “This implies that command and control capabilities may be present on presumed ‘zombie’ satellites.”
> LeoLabs estimates that Cosmos-2562 has electro-optical sensors to image other satellites’ payloads, and is also capable of electronic signals collection. “While most sensitive data transmissions are heavily encrypted, by collecting signals an adversary could, at a minimum, infer what frequency band another satellite is operating in for jamming operations,” the company said.

my dad is a avionics technician that now works as a project manager for an airline company. how can i convince him to work on space related stuff? he's extremely competent and basically carried all the projects he's been managing so far. also he has like 25 yoe. any jobs that i can recommend to him?

>>15844711
man, SeX is eating the industry whole. but i still feel there's a space industry niche unfulfilled somewhere out there,. I just need to know what is yo start investing on it early. Probably is going to be some apparent dumb stuff like screws or special blankets.

>>15844689
suicide is unironically better than trooning out, still doesnt mean you should do it

>>15844712
Why don't you live your own life instead?

>>15844712
>how can i convince him to work on space related stuff?
why would you?

>>15844719
he seems very unhappy with his current job. i already have my own life btw but its quite different to space stuff (banking)

>>15844678
GET THIS GUY OUT, INSPRUCKER IN. INSPRUCKER SHOULD FUCK MY WIFE

>>15844706
Good work soldier

What couldve been

>>15844514
A venture capitalist and his money are soon parted. That's how Astra started after all.
VC is all about finding the next "Apple" after all. They don't care if 99% of them fail.

https://twitter.com/StephenClark1/status/1721904544639295983

EU will (likely) launch 2 Gallelio sats on Falcon 9 for $192M total. A security review is being done just to get things going smoothly.

Big rockets for big science?
--
https://www.thespacereview.com/article/4688/1
> For the last few years, a handful of scientists have asked their colleagues to consider designing missions to take advantage of a new generation of very large launch vehicles.
> These launchers do change what we can do in space,” said Elvis.
> The benefits of large rockets go beyond being able to accommodate large structures. “You can use mass to solve problems,” Elvis said, allowing the use of less efficient but far cheaper solar panels, or increased shielding for low-cost off-the-shelf electronics.
> Similar trades have already taken place on a smaller scale. Lawrence noted that NASA’s SPHEREx Explorer-class astrophysics mission has taken the approach of “converting risk to mass” thanks to the planned launch of the relatively small spacecraft on a Falcon 9. An example, he said, was shifting from original plans for a “technically challenging” Sun-Earth shield using soft goods to a one using more proven aluminum. “This resulted in a much lower risk posture and was enabled by the excess mass capabilities of the Falcon 9 launch vehicle.”
> However, these launch vehicles are not a panacea for the problems that previous large science missions have faced.
> He said a team has looked at the use of both SpaceX’s Starship and Blue Origin’s New Glenn for launching HWO. Earlier studies, including for a large space telescope concept called LUVOIR, were based on the understanding that Starship could send 20,000 kilograms to the Earth-Sun L-2 point on a single launch.
>That is no longer the case. “You have to refuel to get to L-2,” he said. “There’s a lot of details about what would happen to the observatory while it’s sitting in the rocket during refueling.” That includes, he said, potential contamination that could affect HWO’s effectiveness at ultraviolet wavelengths, as well as temperature changes while in orbit.

>>15844463
Some neat stuff.
https://www.esa.int/Science_Exploration/Space_Science/Euclid/Euclid_s_first_images_the_dazzling_edge_of_darkness

>>15844751

>>15844753
https://youtu.be/dp9ch-dAKk0

>>15844753
> On the ASCEND panel, scientists acknowledged that cost was a major obstacle for any use of SLS for proposed missions. “If the launch costs are $2–3 billion per SLS, how do you afford that without launches eating the rest of NASA’s budget, so there ends up not being enough left to do science?” asked Jack Burns of the University of Colorado. “That’s the conundrum.”
> There is also the question of whether there are that many science missions that can make use of SLS. Hubbard suggested SLS could be used for Mars Sample Return (MSR) to help that troubled program deal with its escalating costs and schedule delays. “One of the technical issues that they’re facing is the extreme challenge of fitting the sample return lander, the Mars ascent vehicle, and the arm into a five-meter fairing,” he said. “If you had an eight- or nine-meter fairing—this is possible with some of these super-heavy-lift vehicles—that would extremely relax that particular constraint.”
> During an October 20 meeting of the Mars Exploration Program Analysis Group to discuss the status of MSR, NASA officials did not go into details about what alternatives they are considering, only that they plan to have a recommendation ready for NASA by next March. Asked if NASA was specifically considering Starship in those MSR alternatives, Sandra Connelly, deputy associate administrator for science, said NASA was including “partnerships with industry” among those alternatives, but was not more specific.

>>15844757
how long is it going to take before a Cybertruck is featured in a rap video?

>>15844762
2 weeks

>>15844762
Depends what anti-theft measures it has.

>>15844762
Not spaceflight, shut up

>>15844772
Truck of choice for space rocket

>>15844773
We has this discussion the other day, this is not spaceflight just like twitter news isnt spaceflight, just because its tangentially related doesnt mean you get to post it here. If its offtopic thing with spaceflight touch i.e. teslas used to transport rocket engines or astronauts, sure. If its just offtopic thing then dont post it.

>>15843887
buy a modern phone. werks for me on a '17 shartdroid

>>15844487
wrong info.
The correct info is that Starship can house 100 people for a Mars mission at density-hours less than that of a military submarine, a specific Mars variant of Starship will do Mars missions, and the "engine beyond Raptor" is Raptor 2 or 3, ie "Raptor evolved to be as high performance and as reliable as necessary".

>>15844783
>Starship can house 100 people
I know this is bait, but some people unironically believe this

>>15844787
do you understand how big Starship is?

>>15844516
solid core NTR won't beat chemical to Mars.
gas core NTR may match chemical but would also cost a lot, so depending on economics it's a toss up.
Fusion propulsion would beat chemical to Mars, but first we need fusion.
Nothing electric, solar or nuclear powered, will ever beat chemical to Mars.
If plasma magnet sails actually work they'd beat chemical to Mars, too. Especially once we set up a particle beam on Phobos or Deimos to allow the plasma magnet craft to decelerate on arrival, allowing way higher transfer velocities.

>>15844787
it could IikeIy house over 175 Iast l checked

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/11/contractors-accuse-european-space-agency-of-a-culture-of-harassment/

ESA has a bullying culture within its employees

>>15844787
It has the space to fill in ~500 people packed like an airplane. A reduced 100 people can still be done easily with lot of room to spare.

Unless you believe geometry is fake

>>15844796
rare eesa W

>>15844780
I sure am glad you're here to tell anons what they can and can't post. How did you achieve this position, popular election?

>>15844806
power of autism (and mods)

>>15844538
>>15844541
Orbitals are just the natural endpoint to spacecraft development. Bigger is unironically better in every way, to the point that with big enough orbitals and enough of them in a flotilla, it makes inteestellar travel pretty trivial, though slow.

>>15844800
>spending 6 months confined to a space no larger than 5 airline seats put together
I don't think so

>>15844655
why did benjamin do this

>>15844822
We can carry 100 passengers onboad cruiseliners at roughly same density for few months at a time.

Its nothing too big.

>>15844753
>refueling could contaminate the payload
No, it could not.

>>15844787
I am not baiting. Starship can bring 100 people to Mars per flight. There will be a base to offload onto upon arrival, and the crew vehicle transfer won't take more than 4 months.
Pioneer flights will hold up to 20 crew per flight because they won't have a base on Mars yet. Transfer will still only take up to 4 months tho.

>>15844753
thank u mr foust

>>15844822
>he's not thinking in zero-G terms

>>15844762
already happened retard

>>15844836
You are a retard. Give it a few seconds of thought how you would supply food for 100 people on a Starship over 7 months. Its doable with 10 people, 20 is pushing it and anything after that is fantasy without upgraded size.

>>15844787
It can easily take 100 to mars, are you stupid?
>>15844800
the plan is 800 people point to point

>>15844842
7 months?

>>15844842
food is brought up in a separate payload

>>15844843
Moron. This isnt a fucking airplane flight its a seven month long roadtrip which you can never make stops at. Where do you think the shit of 800 people goes, or even 100? How about all the fucking cargo thats needed which takes up two decks, or the exercise equipment needed so you dont become a fucking twig. God WHY do I have to be stuck with you room temp IQ midwits. NONE OF THIS INFO YOU ARE BRINGING UP HAS EVEN BEEN PUBLICLY STATED BY SPACEX YOU ARE MAKING SHIT UP

>>15844849
800 people point to point
100 to mars
read better

>>15844842
Pemmican

>>15844836
>10 cubic meters per person for 6 months
delusional

>>15844854
it's 1100 cubic meters

>>15844849
think bigger.

>>15844857
NTA but I saw this pic coming lmao

>>15844847
Oh yeah how much volume does food for even 100 people take up again? Also how are you going to supply enough oxygen for 100 people in that tiny ship, probably a massive oxygen producer right? PAH. HE THINKS ITS GOING TO FIT 800 PEOPLE WHEN ITS ABOUT THE SIZE OF AN AIRPLANE THAT ONLY HAS TO FLY HALF A DAY IN AN ATMOSPHERE. AND THAT DOESNT EVEN INCLUDE ALL THE CARGO
>>15844847
YEAH IT STILL HAS TO BE PUT INTO ONE SHIP NOW WHAT.

>>15844847
does that make sense? You could just have two crew Starships but with half the people in each
perhaps the life support systems and so on make it much more efficient to have purely cargo Starships though idk

>>15844847
Why would you ever do that? You obviously want to have the food on the same ship as the passengers that consume it.

>>15844852
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYDuOKI8maQ

>>15844842
Take your own advice.
An American eats approximately 250 kg of hydrated food in a year. 100 Americans in three years eat 75 tonnes of hydrated food. A conservative estimate for dehydrated food mass for an entire Mars mission is 37.25 tonnes total. Most dried foods have a density around 1400kg/ cubic meter, so we need to devote just 27 of our ~800 cubic meters of habitat space to food storage. Notionally, if the whole habitat volume were divided into a 400 cubic meter common area and 100 personal cabins of 4 cubic meters each, all food could be stored in those cabins and take up just 7% of each cabin's volume.
Food for 100 people, round trip to Mars and back, with NO resupply from support ships along the way, is seriously not a problem at all.

>>15844873
It worked the last time we had to colonize something, and it'll work again this time.

>>15844839
Most of the trip to Mars will have spin gravity

>>15844876
>400 cubic meter common area
This would have to include life support, recycling equipment, liquids, laundries, bathrooms, medical equipment, showers, exercise areas etc. and still be able house 100 people when they're not in their coffins. Realistically you'd have ~200 cubic meters of USABLE common areas and that's being generous. If you staggered sleeping schedules, you'd have ~70 people floating around in a volume smaller than that of a studio apartment.

>>15844882
why don’t we have any native drawfags who can provide stuff like this

>>15844861

>>15844882
why would you purposefully reduce the space available? zero G is so useful for packing stuff in, it makes this stuff seem disgustingly inefficient to me.

>>15844903
Arriving in good health and ready to work is the better choice

>>15844861
I didnt know starship point to point trips take 8 hours

>>15844783
>>15844787
>>15844822
You could theoretically bring along a large inflatable hab that you can bring out and dock to the ship once you're on the cruise to Mars. And a sepperate ship crusing right next to you could carry all the extra consumables. Might even be enough volume to stay comfortable. 2 ships giving you the capability to carry 100 people might be better than 5 ships carrying 12-20 in terms of cost per person to Mars.

https://www.esa.int/Science_Exploration/Space_Science/Euclid/Euclid_s_first_images_the_dazzling_edge_of_darkness

ESA's program is still far superior to anyone else's
We focus on the science.

>>15844913
this shit is such copium
>if you designed something different to starship then it could carry more than starship!!1!

>https://isruniversity.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/2023-11-05-Final-Frontier-Flash.pdf
how am i just finding out about these reports

>>15844917
Can you go troll somewhere else?

>>15844908
why not screen the astronauts and allow only those who can cope? I'm sure you could take a lot more if you used exercise machines and drugs instead.

>>15844913
>You could theoretically bring along a large inflatable hab that you can bring out and dock to the ship once you're on the cruise to Mars. And a sepperate ship crusing right next to you could carry all the extra consumables
That sounds like two starships and a space station to me. We're talking about one (1) Starship here, anon

>>15844921
HAHA, bro. Listen to yourself.

>>15844923
>why not screen the astronauts and allow only those who can cope?
You can do that for the explorers but for the colony builders you can't rely on them having both the 'bounces back from months of zero gravity' physiology and the required skill sets

>>15844924
>>15844917
Its not copium if it works though. Fuck it, a person needs around 9 kgs of consumables per day. If you actually calculate the delta v for a refueled Starship, you can get ~ 240 tons to mars, on a 224 day transfer. 9 kg times 224 times 100 is 201 tons. Assume everyone is 80kg, so another ten tons. You have 40 tons to spare for your inflatable hab and other shit people need. Since its a colony ship, you do not need to bring any other equipment, cargo ships will do that for you. Boom, 100 people, one ship (plus inflatable hab stored entirely within ship until cruise), relative comfort.

Knower here
FWS have once again delayed it

>>15844960
The redditors have been brigading them actually

>>15844960
Lay siege to their head office until they capitulate, catapult flaming ocelot corpses into their windows.

actual knower here. there's no new information.

Imagine if you came of age during the Apollo era thinking shit would keep on progressing on a steady rate. We're the lucky ones.

>>15844965
whoah!

>>15844876
food isn't the issue

To make a point, these are iROSA panels. One of, if not the most volume and mass efficient panels in space currently.
All of this produces 20kW and as you can see they are not quite negligible as far as volume goes
By taking ISS as benchmark, you need about 10-20 kW per person (let's go with the optimistic lowball amount).
For every man aboard, you need minimum of one of these, because once you get further from Sun to Mars orbit, you get less than 50% of the power output.

Death to fish and wildlife

>>15844823
His long-time redditgender wife seems likely to have been a significant contributing factor, but that's just a vibe I get

>>15844854
In zero G that's a shitload of room.

>>15844124
They'll just build a constellation of megasatellites, like really big ones

>>15844977
Jesus Christ, how desperate does one have to be

>>15844987
I cant fathom fucking an ugly. it doesnt compute

>>15844985
I think they already have that, it's called GLONASS.
If they want similar capabilities to a starlink style megaconstellation, they need a lot of small satellites.

>>15844972
as far as life systems go, this is ECLSS. it's kind of old as you can see from the CRT, but the more modern version would still be roughly the same size
It can support about 6 people on a good day.
On a bad day it will suport 0 people, so you better pack extra. It's not like on ISS where you can just climb aboard Dragon if things go south.
so you need at least 20 of these

>>15844791
>plasma magnet sails
Greason has already moved onto a new grift, something about self-pinching plasma beams

>>15844897
Easily solvable.
>>15844882
Not necessary for a 4 month transfer.
>>15844972
I agree, food isn't the issue, which was my point. Does this coumt as goalpost moving or just orthogonal argument?

>>15844678
I didn't know Bogdanoff was a gender you can transition to.

>>15844991
The ECLSS is not a good benchmark.

Hey so when are we launchin? and dont say 2 weeks

>>15844965
Unironic actual knower here, add two more weeks on to that wait.

>>15844685
Why not both

>>15845001
See >>15845002

>>15845004
this was debunked

>>15844994
>Easily solvable
nice handwaving

I'm convinced that despite that bugchaser will never fly, despite the rumors.

>>15845010
fuck

>>15845010
What

HAPPENING
https://twitter.com/clwphoto1/status/1721920007595033062

>>15845015
posting t*itter links without anything else should be bannable

>>15845010
Yeah

>>15845013
I was trying to say that I thought dreamchaser would never fly.

>>15845016
Sorry, I will post X link next time.

>>15845015
We are street sweeper watchan

>>15844994
I'm not the guy whining about food
he's just as foolish as you are for ignoring the bigger elephants in the room
I have not mentioned radiators and heat management system. The volume would be about comparable with ECLSS or solar panels.

>>15845000
name a better benchmark. I'll wait.

>>15845009
Proof: Submariners exist

>>15845020
Just post a screenshot with the link, it takes 4 seconds

Troll anon keeps getting debunked left and right

>>15844977
>>15844987
>>15844989
she'd be a qt if she lost not even 20 pounds

>>15845015
Post screenshot bloody benchod bastard behn ke laude

>>15845023
>radiators
Possible to keep tiny if you are not afraid of using heat pumps to increase the temperature of your radiator surface.
>power
They will simply use a large enough solar array, what's your point.

I want to leave this planet so badly bros, when will be my turn finally? I'm tired of everything.

>>15845031
>>15845015
Okay

>>15845034
Fuck this gay earth.
https://twitter.com/LabPadre/status/1721964362888274399?t=ir5NV7LsjF1I0pYqzEJe0g&s=19

>>15845034
Try two decades, and thats a good estimate. More likely four decades for general masses who pay that $100k ticket

>>15845026
which one is troll anon lol
>>15845036
We need to remove the atmosphere if we want to get serious about spaceflight.

>>15845038
Its just another bogeyman name for anyone who disagrees with him like how collagefag is used now

>>15845036
>slowing SpaceX down with bureaucracy didn't work so Biden admin turned to geoengineering
horrible

>>15844685
the golden age was when they were all scrawny nerds

>>15845039
yes but which one does he disagree with, is what I'm asking

>>15845032
I will grant you that ISS thermal regulation could have more compact radiators, but heat pumps still have volume and consume power, so you are not really gaining much
my point is that your "simple large solar array" needs about 400 m3 if you expect to deliver 100 people to Mars alive

the only viable option for 100-man Starship is to have Starship-sized service module on cycler trajectory to take care of power and life support and proonted habs already waiting

>>15845036
>humans can’t launch shit if it’s a little windy or rainy
We don’t deserve to inherit the stars to be completely desu

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1721983986883305641/photo/1

SLC - 40

>>15845052
If the atmosphere gets in the way, destroy it

>>15844783
I would be comfortable cramming maybe 70-some people into Starship for a few months
I could easily cram 1000 in there for six hours though

>>15845060
https://twitter.com/rookisaacman/status/1721984846354919453

>>15844900
nobody responds when I draw things

>>15845067
Neanwhile, let’s check in on how Boeing is doing!
Surely the primary comcrew option has sent plenty of astronauts to spa-

>>15845070
Drawfags are just namefags with extra steps. I intentionally dont feed any (You)s to your posts.

>>15845070
Draw anyways
>>15845074
Dial 8

>>15845070
Because you don't draw anything.

>>15845070
Draw Musk in a Starship dropping bombs on FWS HQ

>>15844914
It 100% is not. Get over yourself.

>>15845051
That's not how ROSA's scale. A unit with 10x the power won't required 10x the volume, because it won't be just ten smaller ROSA's stuck together. Also, I disagree with your assumption that 100 people require 100x as much power to keep alive vs 1 person. Habitats do not scale that way either.
Consider that 100 people will use up 92 tonnes of oxygen over 3 years, total. If the power budget ends up very constrained, this can be relieved simply by packing excess liquid oxygen along with you to Mars (the crew Starship doesn't need to bring any non-life support/food/consumables payload, as it will always be supported by a number of uncrewed cargo Starships). You don't need to bring along all 92 tonnes, you just need to bring enough to keep up with demand beyond what the CO2 pyrolysers can supply. Since recovering O2 is the most energy hungry step in recycling life support consumables, cutting how much you need to do will drastically relieve the power demand. Scrubbing CO2 and humidity are comparatively trivial, leaving waste heat management as the biggest power draw. Minimizing sun exposure on the crew cabin plays nice with keeping sun off the tanks, which is nice.
Power and waste heat are very manageable problems especially if you are bringing an extra 20 tonnes of LOx to breathe in your semi-open-cycle life support loop.

>>15845066
100 is something to build up to. Nobody including SpaceX is thinking about sending 100 people on the first crewed Mars Starship. Maybe 100 people in total, across 5 crewed Starships, supported by 10 uncrewed cargo Starships.
Given time though, confidence will build, number of vehicles will increase, and number of crew per Starship will approach (maybe one day even exceed) 100. May require a stretch of the vehicle to accomplish 100, and it would be very much relatively cramped conditions, but it would not be unlivable. It's cliche at this point but a 100 person Starship cabin at current dimentions would be luxuriously spacious compared to the Mayflower etc.

>>15845074
based
>>15845075
no
>>15845079
damn he got me
>>15845082
that sounds boring

>>15845096
youre ludicrous. 100 will never be sent.

>>15845067
how much of this is to placate NASA on the risk of a Starship launch on SLC-39A?

>>15845101
It has nothing to do with that

>>15845101
It is the major reason

>>15845103
I'm pretty sure it was cited as the primary reason, actually. NASA wants to be sure that an IFT-1 type event doesn't prevent sending crew to the station.

The summer population of Antarctica is about 4000. So 40 per ship and 100 ships is enough for Mars.

>>15845086
I think the thermal management of bringing 92 tonnes of LO2 with you is something you're understating

>>15845107
wrong

>>15845086
>A unit with 10x the power won't required 10x the volume, because it won't be just ten smaller ROSA's stuck together. Also, I disagree with your assumption that 100 people require 100x as much power to keep alive vs 1 person.
I disagree with your assumptions about power
mol of oxygen is mol of oxygen no matter how large reactor you have (although there certainly is room for optimisation in terms of volume)

I will admit that if you simply vented CO2 and tapped into LOx from tanks, it would save a lot of power. I need to think it over, but 100 is still a lot.

>>15845107
Low Earth orbit is a more intense heating environment than deep space and SpaceX is planning on zero boiloff solutions for their depots. Zero boiloff methalox storage is necessary for Mars missions anyway. Either way once the boiloff gets solved, Starship can be configured to carry 100 people to Mars.

>>15845122
100 is probably technically possible after lots of development and iteration and understanding of the logistics but probably too tight on safety regulations, sure you could maybe pull off the life support for 100 people but can you do it with enough reliable back ups and fail safes. 100 people dying on the way to mars is a lot harder to sell then 100 people dying on the planet itself after facing various challenges.

So the initial lunar starship is apparently going to have only one crew deck, which will help with development I suppose.
It will be funny getting into such an enormous ship (1km^3) only for it to have basically a pressurised bridge section and that's it.

Honestly pretty sci fi in a way, a giant spaceship for two.
Reminds me of pic related.

>>15845164
do you really need more? its flag and foot prints.

>>15845122
>I disagree with your assumptions about power
>mol of oxygen is mol of oxygen no matter how large reactor you have
I was talking about things other than providing oxygen, such as lighting, HVAC, dehumidifying, etc. Apart from maybe dehumidifying, none of these scale up significantly with increased crew count.

more like fags and footprints

>>15845164
And it will still dwarf every other Lunar lander for pressurized volume.

>>15845174
lighting has fuckall consumption. we're talking like 1kW in total here
everything else scales - more people generate more body heat, more people need to run microwave, more people need to take a shower, more people need run their laptops etc. all of these generate even more heat and all that heat means running more heatpumps

>>15845175
kek

sfg watches spaceflight, sfg doesnt study spaceflight

>>15845164
>1000m^3 = 1km^3
sometimes i forget how stupid half of y'all are jfc

>>15845190
No one needs hot food for every meal, showers, or fucking laptops all the time lol. Also since you are using heat pumps to pull heat out of the habitat, you can design your interior to use hot radiator fluid as a heat source, ultimately minimizing the amount of heat that needs to be generated to provide comforts. You still need to pump the heat out after but you minimize the energy you use making heat.

>being this new

>>15844903
Mass is what matters, not space. You could have a separate habitat unit that provides a lot of space for the crew to live in.

>>15845196
powerful

>workers spotted near the FTS

>>15844621
SpaceX is literally 7900% stronger than most other launch providers

>>15845200
Kys newfag

the street sweeper is on the move

>>15845227
>>15845219
Hi Eric, still two weeks. No license

>>15845200
lurk moar newbaby

>Starbase marine advisories are published on Wednesdays. We will have to wait until then to have any indication that the launch will continue on 11/13 if the license does not come out before then.
T O M O R R O W

>>15845196
no

>>15845236
NON-FLIGHT ACTIVITIES BACKCEL TWO MORE WEEKS TWO MORE WEEKS TWO MORE WEEKS TWO MORE WEEKS TWO MORE WEEKS TWO MORE WEEKS TWO MORE WEEKS TWO MORE WEEKS

>>15845236
LICENSE DAY?

>>15845196
Speak for yourself newtoddler, and as a word of advice you use /sfg/ not sfg when youre trying to seem like an oldfag.

>>15845242
>MAKING SHIT UP TO TRY AND JEW A VICTORY
KEEEEEEK WHAT IS THIS BACKXISTERS???

neat rogg

>>15845249
Poojeet designated shitting well

>>15845248
KEEEEEEEEEE33333333333K
sidenote: yeah i shit diarrhea, poop outy ma assy

>>15845242
Almost certainly

>>15845249
so when a NASA mission like Lucy finishes the “development” stage and proceeds with full funding, how is it decided who builds it? In this case LockMart. Does NASA just ask Boeing, LM, NorthGrum, etc to do it on a case-by-case basis or is there competition for primary contractor for each mission?

>>15845264
sometimes, like with MSR, none of it is competed. nasa just hands the contract and money to the big dogs

>>15845200
A whole 1km3. Imagine that!

lol

>>15845200
Look at what you wrote, and reread it again. The only one lacking understanding here is you. How many meters are in a km? answer to yourself silently

>>15845271
Who cares stop trying to stir the pot

https://twitter.com/Stuck4ger/status/1722011988157497430

>BREAKING — it appears that a large number of @virgingalactic's Mojave, CA workforce were just told to gather their personal belongings and go home.

>>15845271
what

>>15845275
prudent cost cutting or the signs of a coming bankruptcy?

>>15845274
why are you getting defensive?

>>15845275
Also

>Does it affect tourist flights?
>I doubt it would initially. My guess is it will affect long-term sustainment ops of WhiteKnightTwo and SpaceShipTwo but not near term flight rates or Delta development [cough].

So prob not much on immediate outlook but VG's trimming down some fat

>>15845275
virgin needs to be ramping up flights, not cutting back

>>15845279
literal who has no idea what he's talking about.

>>15845281
https://twitter.com/lrocket/status/1721996598929174774

>>15845200
Go back

>>15845281
I mean, rocket launching isn't exactly a high revenue venture.

>>15845267
wait wait wait, so NASA can just assign multi-million/billion $ contracts at will??

>suborbital tourism is kill
spaceflight is dying

>>15845299
Shut up, suborbital had always been suboptimal. Dont act like suborbital = all spaceflight

>>15845305
Why do we never hear stories like this but with guys?

>>15845305
Barely even spaceflight

>>15845299
suborbital tourism is and was always irrelevant

>>15845305
>Abort-Guidance System
>rescued the Apollo 13 astronauts

>>15845281
>>15845287
How does Starlink rate globally in terms of telecom company total market share? I don’t have them as an option in my area (despite being pretty close to starbase lol) so I always think of starlink as some weird niche internet provider who only make money from occasional tesla fanboys.

Impressive that it’s this much money being generated already, in spite of that

>>15845312
china telecom has 363 million subscribers

>POV: you tried to launch your rocket without a fish license

Excuse me Am I being detained ? You are infringing on my rights! I am a SOVEREIGN MARTIAN. I have renounced my citizenship of the Earth . I am a government free SPACEMAN. I do not wish to create legal joinder with you. Your stupid law book does not apply to me. I am not a person I am a LITTLE GREEN MAN.

>>15845305
blocked all these curry-scented accounts

>>15845308
Because every single man who worked on Apollo has a similar if not more work-dedicated story and people today would hear the message that their grandparents were better than them, rather than hearing the intended message that women are better than men

ITS SO JOEVER

>>15845318
>SHOW ME YOUR LAUNCH LICENSE, DO IT NOW OR I SWEAR TO GOD I'LL DROP YOU!

>>15845287
Thunderf00t would like a word "Tom"

>>15845339
Carnival rides can only support so many employees.

>>15845340
Begone AI cop

>>15845308
Men can't give birth.

>>15845308
Have you ever accomplished anything of that caliber?

>>15845308
Most of the men qualify
Work a billion high stress hours, dont see kids or wife. Retire, dying immediately after.

So A6 uses Italian SRBs instead of French ones? Those have such great reliability on Vega

>>15845370
None of Vega's launch failures were because of the first stage SRB.

>>15845378
it's a shame how unreliable Italian technology is

>>15845382
Also, I'm trans btw.

>>15845385
That's cool! Lots of /sfg/ are trans, we're a inclusive type of group

>>15845388
this is a lie

>>15845389
You got a source for that claim, Berger?

>>15845370
Avio ditching Arianespace will make it politically easier to replace the Avio made A6 SRB with reusable LRB.

4h to launch 80

>>15845403
80 what

https://twitter.com/SERobinsonJr/status/1721999452838191585

>>15845411

>>15845412

https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1721915507891208576

>>15845389
They're included in the airlock purge

>>15845407
The ocean is so kino.

>>15845339
Didn't anons have a discussion on how much runway Virgin Galactic had a few months ago? Basically zero margin for delays on Delta at their cash burn rate.

Would it make sense to put search radars in orbit?

Hypersonic cruise missiles and glide vehicles intend to use atmospheric trajectories to fly below the engagement zone of midcourse Interceptors, and to hide behind the horizon against ground based defense systems.

A spaceborne radar could track these from above and potentially even hand off a target track for over the horizon interception.
They could be useful for all sorts of other things (IE tracking aircraft, cruise missiles ect in real time) but that is the most pressing use case I could imagine.

Radars take a lot of power (and hence cooling), so that could be quite demanding for a satellite system, however cheaper and heavier launch could enable large sats with that kind of capability at scale.

Obviously SAR satellites already exist, but this would real time tracking.

>>15845442
It's too big, and I don't like how deep it goes.

>>15845453
Just track with IR. It's easier, more compact, higher resolution, and it's impossible to IR stealth at high speed through atmosphere.

>>15845459
it's quite shallow for its expanse

>>15845459
>Have a panic attack when I sit down and think about just how big the oceans are compared to man
>mfw space is even bigger

>>15845449
Meds now this never happened

>>15845465
I wonder what the deepest point on Titan is?

>>15845407
this but starships on their way to colonize mars

>>15845481
Imagine a fleet of 100+ departing on each synod

>>15845462
Passive sensors would be easier, although with IR, in order to get an accurate track you need to triangulate from multiple sensors.

>>15845484
The whole trip apart from landing would be very safe with that much much redundancy

>>15845339
How long until Jeff Who's Wild Ride closes too? (not that it's even open right now)

>>15845472
I'd love to find out, too bad FUCKING DRAGONFLY IS LANDING 1000S OF KM AWAY FROM ANY LAKES FUCKING NASA FUCKING JPL FUCK FUCK FUCK