/sci/ - Science & Math

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>>15833398
>qualia
if you cannot verify it scientifically it's politics and has no place here.
>oh but if you had it you'd know so you are NPC
eat shit and die

>>15833398
@?

>>15833398
>Can the p-zombie thought experiment be extended to AI?
Isn't that the whole point of an NPC, a computer controlled player?

>Could a conscious AI conceive of a functionally or structurally equivalent AI without qualia?
What do you mean conceive? AI already controls NPCs.

>>15833398
Do you still believe in the tooth fairy as well? Qualia don't exist.

https://cogprints.org/254

>>15835031
sorry danny boy.. im still right here.... experiencing shit

>>15835031
I'm real cause I fucking said so. You on the other hand... well I'm suspicious about you

>>15835031
I wonder what it would feel like to be Dennett.

>>15833398
AI isn't real and doesn't exist.

>>15835253
Yeah thanks it's just called intelligence

>>15835035
no youre not

>>15835269
umm akshually i am
>right
>now

>>15833398
What you said doesn't make sense. True AI would be a p-zombie at best.

>>15835254
you do understand that most socalled "AI"s the media jews are hyping up are literally just language models with different weights for their output depending on the input right ?!
Humanity still hasnt cracked the "artificial" intelligence grail, youre just listening to low IQ dimwits treating everything new and shiny as a god, and you just repeat their mindless dribbles.
I wish we already had AI so faggots like you can use it to post better.

>>15833398
Sure as long you want to separate mind from phenomenal experience you can have intelligent AI that thinks the other AIs lack PE.
Of course this falls once again into infinite regress because we need an explanation for why phenomenal experience is being discussed to begin with if it has zero physical effects.

>>15835401
>why phenomenal experience is being discussed to begin with if it has zero physical effects.

This btw has never been explained. Dennett attempted once by using extreme social construction. Though when pushed in debate he will admit there is a blurry ephemeral image but it is nothing like what we are discussing and so not relevant.

>>15835401
>we need an explanation for why phenomenal experience is being discussed to begin with if it has zero physical effects.
Why are ghosts being discussed if they have no physical effects?

>>15835417
That's what I am asking P-Zombie believers.

I have had coherent explanations before but they're so extremely anti-occam they're not worth bothering with.

>>15835282
nope, buddy, not really

>>15833606
Most important question

>>15835401
how do u know it has zero physical effects?

>>15835540
Because that would violate the causal closure of the physical world and the conservation of energy.

>>15833398
You would need to solve the binding problem first before you can create a conscious AI.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binding_problem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z-XYc93mzw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT9tnzucnPU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlIgmTALU74
https://qualiacomputing.com/2022/06/19/digital-computers-will-remain-unconscious-until-they-recruit-physical-fields-for-holistic-computing-using-well-defined-topological-boundaries/

>>15835720
What if the AI itself solves the binding problem?

>>15833428
You're an NPC.

>>15835207
According to him, it doesn't feel like anything.

>>15835608
>the causal closure of the physical world and the conservation of energy.
Why believe in either of those things? LMAO