/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15816996
First for orbital nuking of Earthers

I saw something about B9 testing what did I miss?

glass the earth, demigod war now

Any word on this

>>15817004
Why would it need to be orbital though just use high altitude planes.

>>15816996
>china is going
>india is going
>spacex is going
>nasa is going
>russia is going
>even virgin galactic is going
>blue origin isnt tho
LOL

>>15817011
>fuck im too lazy to use google to check their website, i'll just bug /sfg/ to google this for me
go annoy someone else

Any info on DragonXL? its supposedly contracted to serve lunar gateway but I doubt SpaceX will ever build such a vehicle and ive seeen no evidence it exists even in concept.

>>15817014
blue destination

>>15817011
wait for them to launch Neutron first

>>15817020
canned. (don't ask how I know)

Intimidate every beetle you see
Harass every ocelot you encounter
Bully every fish you spot

>>15817034
Total Bird Death

>>15817034
do not the ocelot

>>15817037

>>15817038
what if

Will Mr. Limp save Blorigin with his blue ring? Will it finally get Jeff up?

AX-3 patch goes hard

>>15817036
It can't do long words I guess

>>15817032
So what will give permenant propulsion to lunar gateway in its place? Thats a crucial part of the archietecture with how unstable lunar orbits get, and yet there is no plan.

>>15817062
The Gateway lunar orbit is like literally one of five stable orbits around the Moon.

>>15817077
it's not around the moon, it's around EML2

>>15817062
Magic

>>15817062
lunar gateway has its own power and propulsion you retard

>>15817102
and what would that be? oh right dragon xl

>>15817108
are you retarded?

>>15817108
https://www.nasa.gov/centers-and-facilities/glenn/a-powerhouse-in-deep-space-gateways-power-and-propulsion-element/

>>15817111
this shit's fake.

>>15817020
Funding and timelines for Gateway are very uncertain at the moment, so NASA's just not awarding any contacts for cargo deliveries until they're sure that there's going to be a station there to deliver cargo to. Gateway doesn't even enter into the established plan until 2028 with Artemis IV, and that's assuming that the ML-2 for SLS block 1B is completed on schedule, along with the EUS and the extra module that A4 is supposed to be delivering. There's not really any point in assigning funding that's going to be held up by so many other dubious actors.

>>15817113
if you think the PPE is fake then you think the Gateway is fake, because they're being launched together on Falcon Heavy in... 2025 or something I forget

Reminder that the Eagle ascent stage and the Snoopy descent stage are still in LLO

>>15817131
imagine the smell inside

>>15817011
Clearly, they have announced that it's not a capsule.

>>15817139
They should go check it out just to see

>>15817150
I thought it was not an announcement

>>15817113

>>15817154
It's written right there that it's an announcement.

>>15817156
you really think thats real?

>>15817159
that's the way english works, you can attach the negative one place and have it affect the meaning of a word elsewhere
so it's either an announcement for their thing that isn't a capsule or not an announcement for their capsule

>every single space camera has a fake as fuck fisheye lens
>even Elon's
But why...
Just show the giant blue salver, or don't be LEO fags and actually climb to a few thousand km.

Ausbros...we're finally becoming relevant.

>>15817167
Camera on Artemis 1 was not fisheye

>>15817187
Australia, the perfect place to drop garbage from space on

>>15817037
the ocelot can go live somewhere else (assuming they are even in the area, i heard thats bullshit)

>>15817043
he needs to put the 104 different projects on hold and focus on getting to orbit

>>15817200
A. it is bullshit
B. they're good and cute animals please leave them alone
C. it's not their fault that the regulatory state is doing this horseshit

>>15817167
because they want to mock flerfers in particular
all of this activity, billions and billions of dollars is to mock the few thousand schizophrenic flat earthers

>>15817204
>it's not their fault
>he doesn't know about the Feline Warfare Service

>>15817203
true. SpaceX does thing because it has laser focus. So much focus infact that its never run a Mars mission, not even a small throwaway one, because doing a random side quest before the real deal is ready will just mean nothing ever happens

>>15817211
musk even wanted to cancel falcon heavy but couldn't due to it already having military contracts

we arent getting a chinese moon base until 2040 arent we

>>15817226
China can manage a crewed landing with the LM-10, but putting a base's worth of infrastructure on the surface is going to take something bigger like the LM-9. That's not going to happen until after China's worked out basic booster landing with the LM-10A and whatever small sized reusable they end up fielding. 2035-2040 was always the conservative guess.

Stage 2: Methalox FFSC
Stage 1: Methalox FFSC
Stage 0: Combination Gas Station/Elevator/Bidet
Stage -1: Kill Every Fish And All Wildlife

How's the progress on Stage -1?

>>15817231
I love it how long march 10 has retarded KSP aerodynamic fins on the bottom

>>15817048
Hope this helps?!

>>15817194

>>15817191
https://youtu.be/kZ20H8sHo9w?feature=shared&t=872

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1716246535468630465

>>15817289
Tesla Racing Team when?

>>15817294
that would be cool but I guess Musk thinks its an distraction

https://twitter.com/anuarbekiman/status/1716213944606511548
https://twitter.com/anuarbekiman/status/1716209834234728887

>>15817300
it is a distraction, thoe racing team stuff in general is super fake and dumb

>>15816996
Cancel MSR

>>15817331
>if i close my eyes it doesnt exist
zubrin stop being a retard

>>15817331
Artemis is real

>>15817335
Even if it's slow Starship reaching capability to complete the HLS landing means SpaceX already can giga mog Artemis' objectives and timeline without any help from NASA.

>>15817331
i will agree only if you support also cancelling dragonfly

>>15817289
off topic retard kys.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Abian#Moonless_Earth_theory

discuss

>>15817423
we'd be better off adding a second moon to balance out the first one. I nominate Io

>>15817187
Is there some sort of jew feud between Varda and the FAA? Why won't they let them land?

>>15817423
>

>>15817430
We should add several, on grounds that I think it'd look neat.

>>15817488
and then the changing tides disrupt global oceanic currents leading to a phytoplankton dieoff and we all asphyxiate

>>15817335
I'd like to think he's making a wiseass comment that "Artemis" the architecture is a rocket that's flown once, two landers that don't exist yet, a refueling operation that hasn't even been built yet and a space station that hasn't been launched yet. Feels like Nelson's "SLS is real" comment though.

>>15817423
Blowing up the moon would require giant sun powered death ray or something
Even then all the pieces would just coalesce into another moon.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=kRlhlCWplqk
You need a giant rocket powered asteroid around moon orbit to tug it away gently over thousads of years.

>he doesn't believe in planetary expansions
Ngmi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h-DJAbXzuw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84Nz3h6T-J0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1l8nKD42ec

It's so over

https://www.reuters.com/technology/space/spacex-signs-deal-launch-key-european-satellites-wsj-2023-10-23/

>Oct 23 (Reuters) - SpaceX has signed a deal to launch up to four of Europe's flagship navigation and secure communications satellites into orbit, The Wall Street Journal reported on Monday.

>>15817773
The absolute state of Arianne

>>15817331
didn't expect Zubrin to diss STarship like this

>>15817423
same energy as this: http://milesmathis.com/pi2.html

>>15817440
wym Jew feud

>>15817131
They've got alien squatters.

>>15817776
Ariane is so fucking dead.
Now it will become a subside blackhole.

>>15817043
My Amazon friends are glad he's fucked off. Funny to see both BO and Amazon devices employees both hated their respective former bosses.

>>15817711
I'm learning mandarin

>>15817893
Same. China is the next superpower.

>>15817862
why?

>>15817895
Thought this was the launch pad from the thumbnail

>>15817187
Varda looks to Australia after delays in obtaining US reentry approval, Varda partners with Australian range for capsule landings
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https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/10/varda-looks-to-australia-after-delays-in-obtaining-us-reentry-approval/
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https://spacenews.com/varda-partners-with-australian-range-for-capsule-landings/
> Varda announced Oct. 19 an agreement with Southern Launch, a spaceport operator based in Adelaide, Australia. Under the agreement, Varda’s spacecraft will land at the Koonibba Test Range northwest of Adelaide, a facility covering more than 23,000 square kilometers northwest of Adelaide design to host suborbital launches and spacecraft landings.
> The company had been working to bring the capsule back in early September but was unable to get Air Force approval or an FAA reentry license. “We got very, very close,” said Delian Asparouhov, co-founder of Varda, in an Oct. 20 interview.
>There was no single specific issue that held up the reentry, he said. “It was ultimately a coordination problem amongst three different groups that had not worked through this operation before.” He added that there were no safety concerns with Varda’s spacecraft or its ability to meet requirements for an FAA license.
>An additional challenge is that Varda is the first company to seek an FAA reentry license through a new set of regulations called Part 450. Those regulations are intended to streamline the process but, on the launch side, have been criticized by companies for being difficult. Asparouhov declined to speculate if the company would have been able to secure a license by now under older FAA regulations, “but I feel confident that if there had been 10 previous Part 450 reentry operations, it would have gone much more smoothly.”

>>15817915
It's the great dam of Baihetan built by brave Chinese engineers. It will prevent flooding and create electricity for a 100 years to come.

>>15817933
youre a fucking fool chang. that dam will be nuked by america in 2 years causing 200 million deaths

>>15817938
American dam can't even withstand it's own water. China dam nuke proof.

>>15817933
China is extremely strong

>Displaces 1000000 (one million) people

>>15817952
>>15817950
>>15817941
>>15817938
>>15817933
This is not spaceflight

china cock penatrates space-x anus

>>15817964
you dumb bitch. china will be nuked in 5 years.

>>15817967
you are a dog. you will not survive coward

>>15817969
I will fuck every pussy in the country while all your men are tortured by the CIA

>>15817971
>>15817969
>>15817967
This is extremely low quality

>>15817971
dont forget you call men women butt fucker

>>15817040
PANKO MANKO!

>>15817711
This can't be serious

>>15818018
gayest shit

>>15818019
it's 100% real

>>15817895
>Dam built out of cardboard, sand, and corpses of political prisoners
>collapses and kills 50 million people
China strong

>>15818038
When the lion of China roars, the whole world will tremble. Fear the Chinese, if you respect your lifffffe fag.

>>15818040
>>15818038
Fuck off anon

>>15818038
Here's your paper tiger dam, and it's in America. In the picture you can see Americans frantically trying to prevent the reservoir from overtopping (which would have caused the destruction of the dam) the dam by installing plywood boards. It happened in 1983, look it up

>>15818062
I yearn for a future where oldspace launches 800 million dollar isogrid laden 4 meter modules on starship for less than the price of flying a prefab building to antarctica.

>>15818062
Inflatables are growing on me. However that isn't an inflatable

>>15816996
why is /sci/ silent on osirisRex?

>>15818019
Retard

Casual reminder of what happens when mammals are exposed to 0g for multiple generations

>>15818075
Because it won't do anything interesting again until 2029 when it tries to redirect Apophis from a catastrophic impact everyone is pretending won't happen.

>>15818072
its meant to be electron beam welded

>>15818018
vodka propaganda

>>15818102
complex and high risk. I think inflatables have a bright future.

>>15818132
Shut the fuck up. I didnt ask.

>>15818132
keep talking. I want to know more.

German Offshore Spaceport to Host First Launch in Early 2024, Qosmosys Closes $100M Seed Round
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https://europeanspaceflight.com/german-offshore-spaceport-to-host-first-launch-in-early-2024/
> The German Offshore Spaceport Alliance (GOSA) has told European Spaceflight that it is targeting between April and May for its first launch campaign.
> GOSA was formed in December 2020 as a joint effort between Tractebel DOC Offshore, MediaMobil, OHB, and Harren Shipping Services. The spaceport will utilize the 170-metre Combi Dock I ship and will be capable of hosting launchers with a mass of between 36 and 52 tonnes on a launchpad with a footprint of nine metres by nine metres.
> The first launch campaign of this novel launch facility, which is being referred to as GOSA Demo#1, will include a series of four suborbital rocket launches that will take place over two days, with two rockets being launched per day.
>Four different companies will supply rockets for the GOSA Demo#1 launch campaign. T-Minus Engineering from the Netherlands will launch its SDART rocket, Copenhagen Suborbitals from Denmark will launch its Recruits rocket, Space Team Aachen from Germany will launch its Aquila Maris rocket, and FAR from Germany will launch its Nova I rocket.
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https://payloadspace.com/qosmosys-closes-100m-seed-round/
> Lunar lander startup Qosmosys secured a staggering $100M in seed funding to help it bring its ZeusX lander to the Moon in just four years, the startup announced last week.
> ZeusX lunar lander: The company is betting big on the growth of the lunar economy and resulting demand for consistent lunar landing capabilities. Earlier this year, Qosmosys partnered with Airbus to build its flagship product, the ZeusX spacecraft. The 8m-tall spacecraft will consist of three modules:

>>15818175
>$100 million
>4 years
$25 million a year is a few dozen engineers at $80k/yr or better, their support staff, the office space to house them, and materials and equipment

I hope they know what they're doing

>>15818191
They don't.

>>15817689
>>15816996
https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation.aspx?paperid=121362
>he doesn't know about hydrodynamic aether torrent gravity
Ngmi

>>15818191
100 million is a shitload for a seed round

gentlemen...

>China adds Belarus as partner for ILRS moon base

https://spacenews.com/china-adds-belarus-as-partner-for-ilrs-moon-base/

>>15818266
the axis of retards

>>15818267
Spanish is funny, I should learn it one day.

>>15818270
WHOA, this guy can learn a language in a DAY!

>>15818276
PUTA

>>15818266

>>15818283
where's north korea and iran?

>>15817139
Do you think there's still atmosphere inside?

>>15818285
North Korea has their own moon base plan already.

https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1716525209795035647

>>15818292
IF IT'S BOING, IT AIN'T GOING

>>15818292
Progress Continues Toward NASA’s Boeing Crew Flight Test to Station
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https://blogs.nasa.gov/commercialcrew/2023/10/23/progress-continues-toward-nasas-boeing-crew-flight-test-to-station/
> NASA and Boeing are working to complete the agency’s verification and validation activities ahead of Starliner’s first flight with astronauts to the International Space Station. While Boeing is targeting March to have the spacecraft ready for flight, teams decided during a launch manifest evaluation that a launch in April will better accommodate upcoming crew rotations and cargo resupply missions this spring.
> A set of parachutes is on track to be delivered and installed on the CFT spacecraft by the end of this year to support the current target launch date. Separately, the team also is planning a drop test of Starliner’s updated drogue and main parachutes. The parachutes will incorporate a planned strengthening of main canopy suspension lines and the recent design of the drogue and main parachute soft-link joints, which will increase the safety factor for the system. The drop test is planned for early 2024 based on the current parachute delivery schedule.
> Additionally, about 98% of the certification products required for the flight test are complete, and NASA and Boeing anticipate closure on remaining CFT certification products early next year. Meanwhile, NASA and Boeing have made significant progress on requirement closures related to manual crew control of the spacecraft and abort system analysis.

>>15818292
Boeing has decided to indefinitely prolong Starliner and continue accepting the checks

>>15818298
What checks? Starliner is FFP. Every day they aren't launching is costing Boeing more money. They're already in the hole with this contract.

>>15818311
it sure looks like theyve given up in any case

Comfy

>>15818082
>Humans will turn into sexy dolphins in space
Nice

>>15818328
What are the properties of gutter oil, in space?

>>15818328
what the fuck

>>15818328
>Liveleak icon apears

>>15818328
real
>>15818332
watch out for your social score

>>15818328
glorious Chinese taikonauts eat barbecued feast in their heavenly palace while the Americans are stuck eating microwaved goyslop

>>15818328
Is that an open flame?

>>15818328
China dabbing on USA every turn

>>15818344
Yes. I bet you can't do that on ISS :)

>>15818328
I didn't really care for the chinese space program until now. Hopefully they do more risky shit up there.

>>15818328
China leading the way on unconventional wisdom. Why didn't NASA do it before?

>>15817014
>russia is going
Are they trying again?

>>15818233
>gentlemen
You have to be a Man before you can be a gentleman. Gentleness doesn't matter if there's no plausible capacity for violence, and you're no Man if you can't stand by well reasoned principals instead of whatever your in group wants you to think.

>Castor Marine installing SpaceX Starlink on customer vessels in Malaysia

>>15818266
this definitely means that russia is still involved since belarus is a part of russia like puerto rico is to america

>>15818328
enough ai shit

>>15818426
Seriously, how can anyone else compete?

who's next?

space race 2, right on time for cold war 2

>>15818486
hopefully not ww3

>>15818486
Artemis Accords is a legal framework, not a space program.

Not saying it's aliens -- but it's aliens.

>>15818505
or... instrument damage : )

>>15818505
They're gone, and we couldn't do nothing about it.

>>15818511
> In summary, we find no evidence that the transient is anything other than a bona fide unresolved, point source of light. In particular, the profiles show no evidence of a moving source such as an aircraft, asteroid, or elementary particle nor of a defect in the photographic plate.

>>15818505
dumbass retards cant even find three giant balls of plasma

>fish and game
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>15818505
>>15818532
Very unlikely to be real. CCD surveys are now about 100 times more sensitive and cover more sky more rapidly, and yet they can only find these events in ancient photographic plate data. I don't buy it. If you're rare phenomenon vanishes when the data quality increases it's a pretty clear sign it's junk. It is only detect in one exposure, there is no independent confirmation at all.
Photographic plates had loads of defects, they don't even have the original to inspect it.

>>15818561
Imagine sneezing on a plate and subsequently trolling astroonomers decades after you've died.

>>15818339
Pitiful ISS can't even power a microwave. They use some sort of water heater thing. Tiangong actually has a microwave too iirc

>>15818276
My gametes, her gametes. You get the picture.

https://blog.ulalaunch.com/blog/vulcan-centaur-pathfinder-fueling-tests-planned
>A liquid oxygen tanking test to load 808,000 pounds (366,500 kg) of liquid oxygen, chilled to -297 degrees F (-183 deg C), into the stage.
>A liquefied natural gas (LNG) tanking test to load 254,000 pounds (115,200 kg) of LNG, chilled to -260 degrees F (-162 deg C), into the stage
https://www.ulalaunch.com/docs/default-source/rockets/2023_vulcan_user_guide.pdf

Minimum Propellant mass in Vulcan S1: 481,700 kg
Assumed residuals: 0.5%

Vulcan S1 useable full mass: 479,291.5 kg
Vulcan S1 burn duration: 286s to 293s
Vulcan S1 thrust: 2*2,446.5 kN = 4,893 kN


ISP = Thrust/(mass flow x g0)
ISP = Thrust/((fuel mass*g0)/burn duration))
So...
Minimum ISP = 297.7s
Maximum ISP = 305.0s

BE-4bros.... how could this happen? Can't even reach the sea level ISP of the RD-180 despite using Methane.

https://twitter.com/CosmicalChief/status/1716080739224068522
> HLS mock-up has been repositioned next to the tiki bar. This send like a perfect opportunity for a Starship progress update. What say you

>>15818633

>>15818634

>>15818636

>>15818633
We already had an update at IAC. Why are xitter orbiters such retards

>>15818328
What about the soot

nobody posted this yet but full scale replica of Vast's Haven-1 airlock, which was confirmed by Haot when replying to Berger

ISRO develops its agenda for the future (recent history and near future of ISRO)
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https://www.thespacereview.com/article/4674/1
> India’s Gaganyaan mission is behind its original schedule. India’s first human space mission, to an orbit of about 400 kilometers, was originally expected to happen during 2022 to commemorate 75 years of Indian independence. Covid-19 has been one of the main reasons for this delay. There was also some delay in acquiring some important technologies from Russia, Europe, and the US. It is now expected that the mission may happen by 2025. However, given that this is a mission involving humans, ISRO is taking extra precautions. The chairman of ISRO has made it clear that the schedule is secondary, and they are following a very methodical approach towards development of every system. Broadly, it could be said that about 50% of the job is completed. Four astronauts have been shortlisted, who have already undergone a very rigorous training lasting for around a year in Russia and now are sharpening their skills at the Indian astronaut training academy.
> The time has come for ISRO to move beyond technology demonstration missions.
> What ISRO needs is a more capable vehicle for undertaking more substantial missions to the Moon and Mars. Ambitions to reach Venus and establish a space station need a heavy-lift launching system. ISRO needs to give a major push to the already undergoing programs like the development of semi-cryogenic technology.

>>15818674

>>15818675
another article but similar theme

ISRO prepares for human spaceflight
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https://www.thespacereview.com/article/4673/1
> Developing and testing Gaganyaan’s Crew Escape System is one of the many prerequisite critical systems ISRO must develop and demonstrate prior to the first crewed flight. India's human spaceflight program has had a checkered history. The first public report of India's intention to develop a human spaceflight program came in 2007. The program was formalized and announced in 2009 but not really funded. At that time, the close relationship between ISRO and Roscosmos was expected to deliver results by 2016. That timeline did not materialize but ISRO has been quietly developing many of the critical systems required for the Gaganyaan program since. The formal political announcement came from the prime minister on India’s independence day, August 12, 2018. The goal then was the first crewed flight in 2022 to mark India’s 75th year of independence. Many delays, including from Covid, have shifted the first launch to at least 2025. In the meantime, ISRO has been developing critical technologies including environmental control systems, prototypes of spacesuits, and human-rating the LVM3. It has also conducted a drop test of the crew module from a helicopter and the recovery procedure after splashdown.
> In June 2023, India signed NASA’s Artemis Accords. It included a potential flight of an Indian astronaut to the ISS in 2024. It is unlikely but, if that happens, the astronaut selected will be one of four Indian Air Force test pilots already trained in Star City in preparation for the Gaganyaan mission. So, it may well be that the next Indian astronaut to fly in space will be on the ISS, before Gaganyaan.

>>15818606
explain?

>>15818670
scrubbers in the life support system?

>>15818636
>>15818633
>>15818639
Why does the HLS mockup have heat tiles?

https://europa.nasa.gov/message-in-a-bottle/sign-on/?utm_source=x&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=nasa_exoplanets
apprantly you can throw your name on Europa Clipper, interact at your own expense but glowies probably already have your name

Is the future of space flight going to be automated? Robots on rocketships?

spacex documentation thread on /g/
>>>/g/96873307

>>15818691
this is the present of spaceflight

>>15818691
spaceflight right now is completely automated. do you think they strap midgets in to falcon 9s to land them or something?

>>15818688
Also what's the point in making it white?

>>15818686
America has to light a tire fire to demonstrate superior scrubbers now
There is no other way

>>15818692
looks pretty standard?

>>15818700
probably a LARP of some kind

>>15818692
yawn. post raptor schematics or gtfo

>>15818692
either it's fake or that tard is going to federal prison
probably fake because even on four chan nobody's that retarded

>>15818706
>four chan
go back

>>15818620
>least psychotically obsessive space enjoyer (based)

>>15818683
intercourse

>>15818709
stop using b*sed trannies use that word now

>>15818715
Trannies are based

>>15818714
you cant. surely you cant mean that can you?? the fuck

>15818717
shit bait, not getting a (you)

>>15818715
>>15818717
NTA but unironically trannies ARE based because based means someone who does shit without care for the opinion of others. Based does not mean redpilled

>>15818719
For the purpose of reproduction

>>15818723
I'm woke too, but the original definition. Not the media co-opted retard definition

The launch industry strains launch licensing
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https://www.thespacereview.com/article/4677/1
> “Starship has been ready for its next flight test for more than a month, but we are waiting for an FAA license and accompanying interagency review,” said Gerstenmaier.
> Gerstenmaier said after the hearing that the company was trying to make the best use of the licensing delay by conducting tests on the pad, including plans for a wet dress rehearsal where the rocket is filled with propellants and goes through a practice countdown. “We get the wet dress for free when we load for launch, but if we’re not going to get the launch license, it’s to our advantage to load now and reduce that risk,” he said.
>There are also many other tweaks to the vehicle engineers can perform, but he noted they’re limited by the fact that they have an “unknown timeframe” for getting an updated license. “When we don’t know what the timeframe is, we don’t know how much work to do.”
> A complicating factor in that effort, though, is a separate review by the US Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) about the environmental effects of the new water deluge system SpaceX has installed on the pad. That is designed to prevent the serious pad damage seen in the first launch, but FWS has to examine what impacts that system might have on the environment.
> An FWS spokesperson said in September that once is receives the FAA’s “final biological assessment” it has up to 135 days to review it. The FAA delivered that assessment in early October, which means that FWS could take until early next year to complete its review.
>“That piece is a little bit of a wild card,” Coleman said, but was optimistic it would not take nearly that long. “We’re hoping that piece will wrap up somewhere in proximity to the safety review.”

>>15818723
stop using b*sed. also that is ironically because b*sed has always had the connotation of redpilled which has also become a word that trannies use too.

>>15818729
You are not based, nor are you redpilled.

>15818727
>the original definition
step your bait up this is actually horrible

>>15818729
you have to go back

>>15818723
retards troon out because they are part of a group and pressured by that group, namely lgbtq+etc freaks, dude. They are the complete antithesis of based.

>>15818729
you just never knew what based means to begin with because youre part of the normie herd

>>15818732
stay woke, my brudda

>>15818688
Because they reused a Starship hull that already had heat tiles (and fins) on it. Apparently they just removed the fins from it.

hey jannies, we got a live one here

>>15818734
being a freak is based though. Being a trad wagecuck innaoods who pays his taxes and has a miserable marriage is not based by comparison

>>15818736
negro what, i know the dictionary definition but notice i said CONNOTATION. if you disagree with that youre an obvious newtranny. anyways back to spaceflight

>>15818728
> 450 concerns
> “Recent changes to the FAA regulations have not resulted in streamlined licensing reviews,” Schenewerk said. “Instead, Part 450 has proven more cumbersome and costly.”
> “While well-intentioned, the Part 450 effort has not succeeded in accomplishing a streamlined process,” Gerstenmaier noted in his prepared testimony. “AST’s ability to process licenses in a timely fashion has declined rather than improved—indeed, as evidenced by licensing for the handful of applicants under Part 450, approval timelines are not improving.”
> The problems with Part 450 extend beyond launch to reentries, which are also covered by the regulations. Varda Space Industries has been working with the FAA for months to get a license to return a capsule on its first satellite, launched in June to test technologies for pharmaceutical production in microgravity. That license, the first Part 450 reentry license, has not yet been issued.
> That tension, though, about regulations and the speed of licensing will continue for some time. SpaceX CEO Elon Musk has publicly complained about the slow pace of licensing at the FAA in posts on the social media network X (formerly Twitter) that he acquired last year.
>Coleman, though, noted in an interview last month, after those comments, the Musk visited FAA headquarters to discuss Starship licensing, meeting with him and FAA leadership. It was “a good conversation,” he said. “I think the relationship is working pretty well, but there’s some challenges, of course that we have to work through from time to time.”

>spaceflight

>>15818693
>>15818694
I mean interstellar space travel. Its going to be a robot flying a rocket, exploring the universe and reporting back. And then a colony ship lead by a robot filled with frozen impregnated eggs. Its the only realistic option.

>>15818742
not at all, being a freak is the opposite of based

>>15818741
thats fair, shouldnt have replied to the baiter after the first message, anyways what do you think about that vast airlock eh? >>15818674

>>15818742
Yeah man, look at these losers. I bet they don't even get pegged by their wives

>>15818723
>Based does not mean redpilled
but redpilled also means being trans, so say the Wachowskis who invented both concepts

>>15818745
Tsmt. Can we shut the fuck up and go back to spaceflight?

>>15818758
completely irrelevant
memes are not controlled by their initial inspirations or source, that is basically the whole fucking point

>>15818768
geg every one of that fags posts got nuked from orbit, knew it was horrible bait. thanks jannies, you can ride in the cargo hold to mars.

>>15818761
what do you think about sending a spaceer into space?

>>15818773
Marge whats a spaceer (nobody says this)

>>15818777
tsmt
>>15818773
is this supposed to be the opposite of an earther? depends, if its out the airlock then no. if its on a starship yes.

>>15818749
I'd say it's certainly roomy but "vast" is an overstatement

>>15818633
>>15818634
spacefags: wow hls sugoi
everyone else: who is god that did that mural??

>>15818793
not sure if this is supposed to be ironic (if it is I am just a retard) but it's made by Vast, the company.

>>15818674
>prototype
i sleep

>>15818795
>esl
>normie meme format
go back, your choice of out the airlock or the payload doors.

>MUH GRABITY WELL MUH ARTIFISHULL GRABITY
fucking spinsects

> I can set off an autiste just by posting an image
this rules

>>15818801
How will cargo variant starship work with the hinge points and all those curved surfaces?
SpaceX has already changed the renders so it now opens side to side rather than longways, and on all the prototypes so far they only have a thin opening slit for starlink v2 sats.
IMO the opening will be restricted to the small area above the tanks but below where it starts to curve, which will limit thetotal size of individual sats it can carry.

>>15817977
speak english please

>>15818803
>>15818807
>>15818816
haha, hey look at this,
They just didn't launch it, haha.
They could've but they just didn't bother hahaha
dumb spincel lol

>>15818821
How did the shuttle work with all the hinge points wow

>>15818826
Are you retarded? The shuttle bay doors opened along a straight surface which kind of proves my point...

>>15818823
just point and laugh at the ESLtards no use in trying to make sense of their gibberish

>>15818826
hinges don't really work too good over curved surfaces

>>15818102
Why not a cylinder? Seems like that would be easier, less welds at least

>>15818867
sphere gives you the maximum volume for a given amount of construction material

>>15818797
it was ironic, honey

>>15818867
might as well send a cylinder up normally
I would imagine the whole point of this excercise is to show what is possible with welding in space
if this works, you could weld arbitrarily large (and shape) stations together from small pieces

>>15818821
link to any source from spacex that they aren't doing big whale mouth door

>>15818887
Finally, 50 meter radius 200meter length non inflatable cylinder habitat (nonrotating)

>>15817788
Who do you think *owns* the FAA? Hello.

>>15817423
moonless earth? he was so close to the truth (earthless moon)

>>15817893
>>15817895
加油!

>>15818292
please understand. parachutes are new, highly experimental technology and we're having trouble building a stack of dollars high enough to toss them from

>>15818038
Seems to be stronger than any dog shit american pig dam. imagine that

How long will it take for the intuitive machines lander to reach the moon?

>>15818950
I dunno, probably less than six years

New ABL rocket is built

>>15818966
cybertruck is looking good

>>15818966
The new rocket looks like nothing I've ever seen. How much for the stock?

>>15818407
Fixed that got you

>>15817711
I work for the FAA and can confirm this is 100% the truth.

holy meds, you all actually think ift-2 is happening this year?

>>15818328
wait is this actually real?
no fucking way
NASA has repeatedly told me that we are not allowed open flames

>>15819024
china and safety regulations don't mix too well anon

>>15819024
chink station has different rules (and better tech). they also get a microwave

>>15819024
https://factcheck.hkbu.edu.hk/home/en/fc_report_eng/chinese-astronauts/

>>15819029
I've been bamboozled once again...
why am I so gullible?

>>15819029
thank fuck
i would have reeee'd so hard otherwise

>>15819029
you can easily tell because open flames in zero-g are spherical

>>15819010
fuck off, tranny

>>15819029
Wait, /sfg/ posters fell for this?

>>15819060
The same people who make the photoshops are the ones "fact checking" them

>>15818816
Better than I could do! I have no idea how to dig a fucking hole! It would collapse in on itself T_T

>>15819066
you obviously need a subterrene!

>>15819047
you can easily tell because it's a terrible photoshop

>>15819060
there are a lot of retards here now
we all know who is to blame for this (it's the Felonius Huskrat)

>>15818297
>progress
>deadlines getting further away instead of closer
progress towards more pork, maybe

>>15818744
>Varda Space Industries has been working with the FAA for months to get a license to return a capsule on its first satellite, launched in June to test technologies for pharmaceutical production in microgravity. That license, the first Part 450 reentry license, has not yet been issued.
and we now know what that led to: it was easier to get permission to re-enter in Australia.

>>15818573
>>15819026
This isn't even an engineering problem. You can run a microwave off 12V DC. Just NASA being pussies.

>>15819163
Just get a spinning air fryer and it will actually taste good

>>15819163
those nasa dumbasses think microwave ovens make the food ""radioactive"".

>>15819060
I'm way too smart to fall for that. Anyway...OFT2 wen?

>>15819163
like everything on the ISS, it's probably to do with not interfering with experiments

>>15819165
Air fryers will be the cooking tool of choice in space since convection doesn't work in zero-g.

>>15818803
I am interested in your preferred alternative or alternatives.

>>15819179
so you know how the WIFI doesn't work when the microwave is on?
it's like that but for a half a billion dollar science experiment that needs to run for five days straight

>>15819192
>so you know how the WIFI doesn't work when the microwave is on?
Your microwave oven is broken.

>>15819194
I don't own a microwave

>>15819196
your loss, more radio waves for me

>>15819196
It shows

>>15819210
I also don't own any wi-fi but it was a meme back in the early 2010s okay

>>15818830
The shuttle was a garbage spacecraft with an extremely high rate of failure and shouldn't be considered as an example of success to be pointed at or modeled after.

/sfg/ doesn't want to hear this, but the shuttle was good and did its job
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqQr4tHLKOo
also build your own shuttle

>>15819060
>Wait, /sfg/ posters fell for this?

>>15819281
>good
at killing astronauts
>did its job
of funneling money to pork barrel contractors

>>15819060
merely pretending

>>15819212
based dial-up poster not falling for wireless scams

>>15819329
500 Mb/s I just don't have a wifi router

I wish I could burn this general to the ground and make a blue origin general, but no-one would come : (

>>15818747
Space programs can barely be bothered to send stuff to Neptune or Uranus, what makes you thing they'll bother sending stuff even further.

>>15819376
It's simple, we kill the earthers

>>15818328
>click on image
>shitty connection won't load the bottom half
>see other posts about them cooking something with flame
>finally loads
>it's just a shitty photoshop
/sfg/ just gets dumber by the day, huh?

>>15819185
Genetic engineering. Simply rewrite our genetic code to ensure people always grow as though they were in 1g and muscle atrophy and other complications never occur.

>>15819391
We have pretty much everything available off the shelf or with some moderate adaptation to colonise out to fucking pluto. But if you want to talk about genetic engineering? No one knows SHIT about FUCK ALL.

>>15819393
There's a little bit of DNA that makes people stronger, you just take that string and repeat it like a hundred times and boom you've got people who can rip buses in half.

>>15819391
>turning humans into bugs is better than spinhabs

>>15819403
Who said that?

>>15819376
When launch costs plummet and also mass upper limits rise to 150 tonnes and also refilling in LEO to gain high Delta V departure boosts is an available service and also spacecraft are being mass produced for cheap, then at that point the cost and time associated with sending big probes extremely far becomes pretty trivial, like a modern day Mars or Venus orbiter probe.

>>15819393
>We have pretty much everything available off the shelf or with some moderate adaptation to colonise out to fucking pluto.
The average person would laugh at this but it's completely true. The one single barrier to unstoppable eternal expansion of human civilization throughout the universe is launch costs from Earth's surface.

>>15819413
if thats true then why is Mars Desert Reseach Station by no means self sufficient despite that being the goal?

>>15819428
Lack of funding, how much does this shithole literally who project get per annum? Last I checked its a bunch of Mars One tier larpers living in plastic water pods.

>>15819393
>>15819413
>>15819428
>>15819431
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/02/mars-is-no-earth/618133/

>>15819432
>generic popsci seethe

Nope, kill yourself

>>15819433
>normie seething at science they dont like
happens every time

>>15819434
Get better bait

>>15819435
things you dont like are not automatically bait.

China bros, we're still in the early stages :(
(from Pentagon 2023 report)

>>15816996
https://twitter.com/CNSAWatcher/status/1716682458752565280

Video related.

5 months in Musk's deathtraps or 45 days in a laser palace? I think the choice is clear

>>15819411
I guess, it feels like it's gonna take ages for us to get to that point though. Then another age to get to the point where we're sending interstellar probes.

>>15817020
Why does dragon XL need to be a thing to get to the moon?
Can't they just put it on a falcon heavy?

>>15819442
5 months in luxurious cyclers

>Vulcan Centaur
>Cost per launch: $100-200 million
Holy FUCK. Bezos charged NASA $20 mil for a New Glenn launch, and BO has claimed this is the standard cost regardless of the customer

>mission control... mariner base here...
>we made it.

>>15819480
how the fuck can new glenn fly for 20 mil when its bigger than f9 which flies for 40 mil?

>>15819484
Internal F9 cost is actually 28 million or less, I'm pretty sure it was stated to be 15 million at some point. BO can definitely do it if they take a loss.

>>15819484
They’re eating profit to gain market share

>>15819489
>>15819491
if true then finally MDS sufferers like thunderfoot can finally shut up about their theory that boosters cost as much to fly refurbished as they do brand new

Starship is the most racist rocket

>>15819391
>Simply rewrite our genetic code
vs
>spinning tube
literally kill yourself

>>15819470
>cyclers
never happening; sprints for people and slowboats for cargo is how it will go

>>15819500

NASA wants the Voyagers to age gracefully, so it’s time for a software patch
---
https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/10/nasa-wants-the-voyagers-to-age-gracefully-so-its-time-for-a-software-patch/
> Around a half-dozen full-timers and a few part-timers are keeping Voyager alive.
> Forty-six years in deep space have taken their toll on NASA's twin Voyager spacecraft. Their antiquated computers sometimes do puzzling things, their thrusters are wearing out, and their fuel lines are becoming clogged. Around half of their science instruments no longer return data, and their power levels are declining.
> Over the weekend, ground controllers at JPL planned to uplink a software patch to Voyager 2. It's a test before the ground team sends the same patch to Voyager 1 to resolve a problem with one of its onboard computers. This problem first cropped up in 2022, when engineers noticed the computer responsible for orienting the Voyager 1 spacecraft was sending down garbled status reports despite otherwise operating normally. It turns out the computer somehow entered an incorrect mode, according to NASA.
> If you only look at the power situation, the Voyagers should make it until 2030, and maybe slightly longer, before the decay of the plutonium power source forces NASA to switch off all their science instruments.
> "The transmitter takes about 200 watts of power, so once we get down to that level of power, that will be the end of the mission," Dodd said.
> Because of their distances, the Voyagers can only communicate through the largest 230-foot (70-meter) dish antennas in NASA's Deep Space Network, or by arraying multiple smaller antennas together to detect the faint signals coming from the spacecraft. Voyager 1 is currently located more than 15 billion miles (24 billion kilometers) from Earth, about four times greater than the average distance of Pluto. Voyager 2 is a few billion miles closer.

>>15819526

https://twitter.com/JoeTegtmeyer/status/1716810616554295368/photo/2

Starlink factory building images update. Looking like main portions of building is done, atleast externally. So they're hiring 100s of employees now.

>>15819526
It will be a grim day when they are shut down for good. The Voyager RTGs have put in a lot of work

would be nice to get a new starbase elon tour some day. the starship updates and iac appearences are too normified

>>15819548
I think they are waiting for starfactory to be finished or something for the next one

>>15819443
It'll happen way faster than anything to ever peviously happen in space, because again, costs are THE barrier, all the actual tech needed is easy once the mass constraints are huge and the per kg launch costs minimized.

ITU to consider lunar communications regulations, Japanese government grant to support work on new ispace lunar lander, Terran Orbital to build 36 satellite buses for Lockheed Martin
--
https://spacenews.com/itu-to-consider-lunar-communications-regulations/
> LAS VEGAS — Discussions at an upcoming major telecommunications conference may set the stage for future work regulating lunar communications.
> During a panel discussion at AIAA’s ASCEND conference here Oct. 23, an official with International Telecommunication Union (ITU) said delegates at the World Radiocommunication Conference 2023, or WRC-23, may decide to put lunar communications on the agenda for the following conference in 2027.
> Two specific topics Sham mentioned in the article is protecting future radio astronomy observatories on the far side of the moon, shielded from terrestrial signals, from interference by spacecraft, as well as the feasibility of spectrum allocations for space research at the moon.
> The FCC has issued its first license for lunar communications, she said. An Oct. 5 grant of authority to Intuitive Machines covers communications with its first Nova-C lunar lander flying on the IM-1 mission to the moon. IM-1 is scheduled to launch as soon as November, landing a week after launch and operating there for up to two weeks.
---
https://spacenews.com/japanese-government-grant-to-support-work-on-new-ispace-lunar-lander/
> LAS VEGAS — The Japanese government is providing ispace with $80 million to help fund development of a new lunar lander in parallel with a similar effort by the company’s U.S. subsidiary.
----
https://spacenews.com/terran-orbital-to-build-36-satellite-buses-for-lockheed-martin/
> Lockheed Martin is building satellites for the Space Development Agency’s Transport Layer Tranche 2 Beta program

>>15819442
I'll take the starship thanks

>>15819501
faggots loooove to make arguments that we simply MUST fund their pet fantasy tech that humanity has barely started working on rather than pick "dumb" engineering solutions that are 100% understood and easy to design and build with high confidence.

>>15819562
radiation from months in deep space will fry your neurons. you will arrive on Mars retarded

FVLL LVUNCH REHEVRSAL UNDERWVY

>>15819579
Less than two weeks a bit more than a week confirmed.

>>15819579
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAi2Qu52nCU
I thought this was trolling but you are right

>>15819585
>open NSF stream
>immediate shilling
I'd rather not

>>15819585
The government won't let them fly so they're just playing pretend to pass the time.

>>15819586
consume the ad laced content goy instead of doing work.
that way we can get you on UBI faster

>>15819583
two more weeks werebackcels

Why did Nixon axe the Air Force toys?
This could have put in orbit the first station in 1969, 2 years before Salyut 1.

Was it more important to drop bombs on vietnamese villages? And for what purpose?

>>15819604
dropping bombs on vietnam was infinitely more smart than sending random shit into space.

>>15819610
It was evil and stupid, and accomplished nothing.

>>15819604
I hate commies more than I love spaceflight. I would have done the same thing to be dësū

>>15819615
thats because they didnt drop ENOUGH bombs. He was right to cancel apollo but he didnt go far enough. AXE NASA and all space toys and you would win in Vietnam easy, then you can do the space stuff when you have won.

>>15819620
it’s that easy

>>15819620
I don't care if Vietnam is communist, capitalist, or radioactive ash. It never mattered and every American life spent there was a senseless waste.

>>15819604
Because it was increasingly obsolete

WOW!

its crazy how NASA is all like "astronauts need at least 90 cubic meters of space and the ability to play football ever 4 days or they will go crazy on a mars mission!!1!!!"
Are neets and incels the perfect crew? Chads seem not to be able to cope with our standard living arrangement

>>15819645
>neets
won't build the colony
>incels
won't populate it

Why would you bring them?

>>15819645
>neets and incels
>our
as expected of the average spaceflight general poster

>>15819391
>Simply rewrite our genetic code
Simply!

>>15819645
Regular people go crazy when cooped up alone with only their hobbies to pass the time. Regular people are fucking pussies.
"uoooohhh I haven't talked to another human in over 24 hours I'm going insaaaaane!"
Weak cowards. Mars is for weirdos.

>>15819651
That anon is retarded but that image is also coal dont post it here again

>>15819652
Regular people don't become astronauts

>>15819658
Astronauts are the most regular boring motherfuckers on the planet.

>>15819641
How was gemini obsolete? It was apollo tier, or even greater quality.
The 'totally not a station' was badass.

>>15819661
Obsolete as a spysat,not as a station...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAi2Qu52nCU
Get the FUCK in here!!!

>>15819671
baiting faggot

>>15819671
Thanks for this, no one ever posts happenings anymore

>>15819659
Thats because they have their backgrounds checked extensively by the feds since they dont want a weirdo going up to the ISS which has no police forces to speak of, or could just sabotage and ruin it. They need to be boring and regular for a good reason anon.

>>15819673
How is this bait you retard

>>15819673
if you pay a few bucks nsf will read and answer your questions live on stream

>>15819678
>>15819680

>>15819682
you forgot to type your post?

>>15819678
>>15819684

>>15819687
it appears you need to learn trigger discipline

>>15819687
>>15819682
Is this retard trying to 'not feed le trolls' or something? Youre still doing it newfag, learn what a (You) is.

What's the best space LEGO® set?

>>15819689
First time I agree with a zubrincel

>>15819694
dilate

>>15819696
Kys and go back now manchild. Let me show you the door.
>>15819698
YWNBAW

>>15819696
>>15819699
samefag

Fail, take your meds

They cannot simply fuel the rocket.
Just like the SLS debacle

>>15819709
Hello newfag, first WDR?