/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15803124

>>15803126

>>15803131

>>15803134
Where mmp is useful
>offering an escape hatch out of the delusions of the real number system so they can actually program computers
> recrystalizing the axiom to provide fortitude against cultural marxism
> making music sound better by revealing the limitations of the equal temperament and the overtonal beauty of limit tuning
> departing from the notion that more precison is always better by highlighting the ability to bring commensurability between magnitudes by choosing specific approxomations
> showing a greater appreciation for ancient babylonian and egyptian mathematics

take your meds

>>15803154
When the nature of the continuum was always the central question in mathematics

Now you got 2+2=5, except at the bank of course heaven forbid your orwellian math gets put to use there

I took a break from /sci/ for like a year
I can't believe this schizo is still going

>>15803315
This year Tooker has vanished but there's also a new schizo with a focus on 3d animations

>>15803315
Do you have any thoughts on the model or are you going to let humanity doom itself with the orwellian double speak of the real number system that isnt real?

2+2=5 will never be true in your bank account, guarantee you

>>15803126
Why use Egyptian sandnigger visuals? They contributed nothing to these concepts.

>>15804075
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heh_(god)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nu_(mythology)

Thoughout the ages the philosophic link between math and metaphysics was clear. It was its abandonment in the past 100 that has left math in the moras of relativist nihilism (so what 2+2=5 who cares bigot) is thier attitudes

Egypt was chosen to not trigger modernist agitations to religions to preserve the metaphysical connection, and that they did the best personifications of mathematical concepts

Also, youngsters are intranced with hieroglyphic gemstones aethetics

>>15804314
Youngster here. No we arent it sounds like you spend more time making shitty gifs than showing how your categorization is useful. Show me some interesting properties of metaphysical numbers.

>>15804646
A central theme in mmp is making the mystical metaphysical and making that physical. Take for example ybc 7289. It contains one of the earliest traces of pythagoras known to modernity (or a trace of math closest to atlantis)

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=1%2B24%2F60+%2B51%2F3600+%2B+%2810%2F60%5E3%29

Without mmp the scholars naively assume that they were able to acheive "a good approximation of the number" fools i tell you, like finding arbitrary levels of precision was something only us modernists can do with silicone wafers- plimption 322 was not only orders of manitude more precise, but there magnitudes possessed exactness!

In mmp every level of a precision of a metaphysical number tells a unique story, it dictates its conmensurability with another number. Ybc 7289 gave a very specific precision- it gave sqt 2 a repeating decimal, it brought order to the incommensurate portion of the magnitude

This is importamt for music
https://youtu.be/bCYcS57eCqs?feature=shared

Incommensurate coords lose the capacity to ring their harmpnic overtones resonance is lost, the music loses colour

Save music, use mmp to escape the not real r3al number system

>>15804890
For posterity we can divide sqrt2 into its radix and its incommensurate portion, but as mmp makes clear, not all invomennsurabilities are the same surely 286 repeating is more ordered than gobblygook, what numbers can you multiply with ybc 7289 that give perfect commensurability that wouldnt at a different level of precison?

>>15803124
Shameless self bump, 280/440 possess a deeper meaning in mmp

Can i get a quick rundown

>>15805900
An anon experienced disillusionment with the real number system while encounting floating point errors while learning to program. And began a journey though 1000s of years of to the foundation of mathematics, music and architecture.
He discovered the reason why the babylonians were so autistic about exactness, and why harmonic principles were found in the geometry of the ancient structures. Taking what he learned he devised MMP to derive thr true basis of the multinumber system, thus the continuum and created a simple escape hatch for those still trapped in the real number delusion

>>15805930
Mmp was released anonymously under the wisdom of the hermetic egrigore and promises to save music from the dissonance of 12 tone equal temperament, the watering down of the axiom from the cultural marxists, and lost funds in crypto from ignrorant use of floats

So what is mmp exactly
What's the formal definition of a mystical metaphysical normal

>>15806156
A mystical number is one where precision and length (number of diguts) are inversely correlated. Infinity is mystical, no matter how many digits you add youll never get an exact spot on the number line. Zero is the opposite, its place on the number line is perfect without even a single digit.

A metaphysical number is where precision and length are directly correlated, but no matter how many digits you add it will always slightly shift on the numberline, pi and sqrt2 and 1/3
Physical numbers are where precision and length are directly correlated but at some point you reach a precision where adding an extra digit does not move the number on the number line 1, 0.4_base12 are physical numbers
Buckminster fuller said it best
>“to how many decimal places does nature carry out π before she decides that the computation can’t be concluded?” Next I wondered, “to how many aribtrary decimal places does nature carry out the transcendental irrational before she decides to say it’s a bad job and call it off?

One observes all numbers to possess two properties. Precision at length.

>>15805948
Get off of xenharmonic, you're not smart enough for it

>>15803124
Any available systems of modeling the universe (big bang, quantum foam, string theory, ZFC, other set theory, chaos, game theory, whatever) are all built on a system of numeration that, at its origin level, is built on the contradictory logic -0=0.

This core contradiction results in a deductive explosion via the law of explosion that yields infinite truths within the numeration process that allow infinite patterns, infinite forms, and infinite potential physics models via infinite symbolic numerical representations (the simplest of which being binary, 0 and 1), so when you are using numbers you are basically just playing memory games with shapes, not necessarily accurately modeling reality.

Their most reasonable physical explanation at a beginning of the universe is just a reflection of mathematically setting an absolute finite origin that is its own negation, a contradiction unto itself, resulting in a limit to the absolute smallest physicists could ever physically justify. This limit means physicist can just tell an illogical beginning myth most reasonably categorized as some random explosion or inflation, due to using numeration to arbitrarily differentiate 0 from 1 (big bang), preceded by an undefined state, -0=0 (singularity), because their physical model is just the result of a logical deductive explosion derived from contradictory origin point logic and an arbitrary separation of 100% from 0% via the illogical process of numeration.

Total incoherence is at the most extreme poles where zero and infinity might as well be equivocated in their trivial projections.
0 = 0 x 0 x ...
infinity = infinity x infinity x ...

>>15806613
Ill wait tell you realize where
>>15805865
28 tonalities is from.

Im way past xenharmonic, in fact if you figure it out you should lambaste me for not being a contributor

>>15806629
In mmp this illogical projenator is denoted by the ouroboros (previously illuminati) operator. Zero ouroboros infinity = {} the primordial set. 0 tries to perfect the precison while infinity gives it length. This is the true basis for the multinumber system

Theoretically ouroboros can be applied to physical of metaphysical numbers to create a nktion of group theory or galois fields but i havent explored that deeply yet

>>15806759
>i havent explored that deeply yet
obviously

>>15806761
Primitively one can use the ooroboros operator to define a finite field that forms a group through galois theory

>>15806895
Then what is 1 ooroboros 0?

>>15806911
Thank you for your question, i though long and hard qbout this
[math] 0 \circlearrowright \infty = \{\}[/math]
[math] 0 \circlearrowright \infty \circlearrowright \infty \circlearrowright 0 = \{\{\}\} = 1[/math]
[math] 1 \circlearrowright 0= \{\{\}_0\}[/math]
[math] 1 \circlearrowright \infty= \{\{\}_{\infty}\}[/math]

The unitary nothingness sub continuum. The oroboros enhances the precision of the unity by overriding the infinites desire for endless length. This is roughly analgous to a finite field of integers

On the other side you can have the unity infinite sub continuum. The infinite reduces the precision of the unity, by overriding the nothingnesses ability resolve at no precision. This is roughly equivalent to the (not actually real) real number system

Give me an example of two numbers with different precision

>>15807392
let us consider the metaphysical quantity [math]\sqrt{2}[/math]

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=1+%2B+24%2F60+%2B+51%2F60%5E2+%2B+10%2F60%5E3%2C+sqrt%282%29

[math]1 + \frac{24}{60}+ \frac{51}{60^2}[/math] has a radix good to 3 decimals
[math]1 + \frac{24}{60}+ \frac{51}{60^2} + \frac{10}{60^3}[/math] has a radix good to 5

consider video related >>15804898


we can see the precision of the second is 2 degrees of magnitude better than the the first

let use consider the metaphysical quantity [math]1/3 = 0.333\ldots[/math]
through a process called physicalization [math]0.4_{12}[/math] we can make this quantity a physical number.

>>15807446
So MMP only applies to base ten and no other bases?

>>15807591
The process of physicalization concerns itself with choosing a base to turn a metaphysical number physical. Mmp is by no means constrained to base 10.

A major defining characteristic of mmp is its ability to show that precision is rarely arbitrary and there are varying degrees of commensurability

How is sqrt 2 metaphysical
What makes it special
Is 1 metaphysical

>>15807752
I pick base phi, so that I may have access to ancient Hermetic wisdom while also having finite binary expansions or integers.

>>15807763

see gif in >>15804898


sqrt(2) is metaphysical as, for every digit you iterate, its place on the number line always moves, it has no precision no matter how much length you give it. Attempts to physicalize the number with a clever base also prove futile.

Interesting attempts to partially physicalize the number are found in >>15804890 in ybc 7289 where the specific approximation yields 6 accurate digits, but, more critically, makes the undiscernable string of sqrt(2) and makes it a cleaner 296 repeating

1.414213562373095 ... more random digits
1.41421296296296296.... ybc 7289 approximation

clearly one is more ordered than the other

1 is a physical number, as there comes a point when calculating increased precision yields no change on the number line 1.0000... it has a perfect precision at finite length

>>15807818
for*

>>15807818
palindromic check

>>15807825
may the primordial insight guide your path anon

>>15807866
>he needs wolframalpha to do it
I am more than you.

>>15807885
>I am more than
This is internalized real number delusion. Acolytes believe precision is arbitrary but that more is always better. This is shown as misguided in MMP, every level of precision has a unique story to tell, a piece of the puzzle only it can fit

>>15807820
What about base sqrt 2

>>15808338
Metaphysical bases cannot produce physical numbers

>>15808405
What is a "metaphysical number" without respect to a base
Good luck quantifying this over all integers lmao

>>15808405
Yeah it can
1 in base sqrt 2 is 1 in base 10 which was stated in >>15807820 to be physical

>>15808416
>>15808526
Thank you anons for your contribution to the theory. These questions have provoked me to question the underlying relationship between the unity and the base used to group the unity. I believe you are correct, mmp needs to construct unity and base from the same root it seems

Back to the drawing board

>>15808526
What does it mean to have sqrt(2) groups of something? Primitively a good litmus test is to see how a base fits into its own base system. If it can only fit inside itself metaphysically, than how can it expect others to fit inside physically? Naturally than metaphysical basis can only belong to the metaphyscial sub continuum [math]\{\{\}_{\infty}\}\}[/math]

>>15808591
I have no idea what this means or what idea you are trying to express

But anything expressable within base 2 is also expressable within base sqrt 2 by inserting a zero after every digit in base 2

Also, in base sqrt 2, 10 is sqrt 2, but 10 is clearly not metaphysical (if i'm understanding correctly)

>>15809085
>Also, in base sqrt 2, 10 is sqrt 2, but 10 is clearly not metaphysical (if i'm understanding correctly)
This is the problem with metaphysical bases, they hide the infinite decimal expansion in a number that looks physical causing confusion

Mmp will likely have to enforce the use of physical bases for physical numbers, its not elegant but its closest to the core focus of the system

>>15809131
I believe the true win eill be to find mechanism that relates base and the unity together, like how a fundemental frequency can be grouped in octaves, but this 256 - 512 - 1024 -2056 power type series, not an arithemetic one

Ill need to ponder more deeply

>>15809131
>This is the problem with metaphysical bases, they hide the infinite decimal expansion in a number that looks physical causing confusion

Why care so much about decimal expansions? Pi is pi, sqrt 2 is sqrt 2, 3 is 3, 0.25 is 1/4 and 0.33.. is 1/3

>>15809177
>Why care so much about decimal expansions?
see these
>>15805930
>>15805948
in other words, ignorance of this
https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/floatingpoint.html
has and will lead to severe loss of funds as crypto currency appreciates in value and script kiddies without fortitude provided by MMP perform their script kiddie ways.
Also
https://ethereum.stackexchange.com/questions/2987/how-can-i-represent-decimal-values-in-solidity
nothing in the math curriculum prepared me for having to perform the babylonian https://ethereum.stackexchange.com/questions/2910/can-i-square-root-in-solidity as it has no decimals or fixed point math. What was taken for granted in the real number system was absolutely critical for this type of work

however, as one with a keen interest in music, the pyramid mysteries and finding the fragments of atlantis, this opened up >>15804890
I realized that precision is not arbitrary, maximizing harmonic overtones requires taking specific precisions in relationship to other specific precisions to create certain coords. Bucky asked how many digits of Pi does nature use, Marco Rodin believes he found that number, I think precision and commensurability are linked at a deeper level than what is given credit for in modern maths

and MMP is the key to finding it

>>15809319
IEEE 754 does not describe the only way to do decimal arithmetic because
a) the standard assumes a binary representation
b) the standard assumes a limited number of bits in the representation
c) the standard is meant to enable the development of floating point units which are to be used for approximate (i.e. applied) math by design
d) the standard could be written in other ways that provide similar (or enhanced) behavior in certain scenarios
e) other representations (e.g. fixed point) are possible
If you want exactness, then it's self-evident that computation with rationals is independent of base

>>15810042
https://github.com/openai/baselines/issues/805#issuecomment-469042844
>If you want exactness, then it's self-evident that computation with rationals is independent of base
Base 3 is actually more efficient, and rounding off expressions you just need to truncate the number, rounding in binary potentially requires the whole string of digits
https://earltcampbell.com/2014/12/29/the-setun-computer/
>Many basic arithmetical operations are particularly simple. Rounding of a number to leading significant figures can be achieved by just truncating a sequence, whereas binary rounding potentially depends on the whole sequence of bits. In The Art of Computing, Donald Knuth gives a fantastic survey of different number systems, and was so enamored with balanced ternary that he said it is “perhaps the prettiest number system”.

Another area is requiring determinism, cpus are deterministic, but gpus are not. If one needs to verify computation by repeating the same script, the outputs must be the same. The lack of appreciation of digit expansion has lead to many confusions in programming

Bump

>>15803124
Congratulations, you just discovered groups, something humans have known since we were cavemen.

>>15811932
Mmp discovered the appropriate foundations for group theory, which likley been appreciated since sumeria uncovering the fragments of atlantis

Bump