/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15797675
I don't fully know the theory here, but from my understanding, his whole thing is that be basically drops locality (things don't affect objects outside of their light cone faster than light) as well as realism (properties like mass, momentum, electric charge, etc. have definite values outside of measurement) in terms of the bell inequalities while keeping statistical independence. So things aren't local nor do things have definite quantitative physical structure.
This immediately implies that "physical" reality, in the way normally thought, doesn't exist. The real world is like a gloop of non-quantitive "something" rather than a collection of material objects of physical substance or quantity.
I don't agree with him but it's interesting.

Yes. Everything is mind. Claiming anything else is outdated and incongruent with observation.

>post pic rel without context. Assuming everyone knows the guy.

Not even a name dude?

>>15797689
Start here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcPyTgLILqA

>>15797689
Bernardo Kastrup, idealist shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOykDWGlOxM

>>15797675
no

>>15797690
>>15797698
transcript or textual alternative
posting videos is not acceptable

reminder:

idealism is an ok position to hold, but not the "i have le free will, i can do anything, i create reality!!!" bullshit which all too many so-called idealists believe in.

>>15797704
Kastrup is a determinist and his whole thing is called "objective idealism"

>>15797716
he doesn't make himself clear on that.

at times he speaks in favour of determinism, at other times he speaks against it, like when he rails against superdeterminism.

sometimes he speaks in favour of free will, other times against it, or just takes some unclear position of "i think the question is nonsensical"

As far as I can tell you he hasn't said anything remotely original or that hasn't been discussed/known for 1000's of years so idk why this board is riding his dick all of a sudden

>>15797723
>bodhi
>readable post

Pick one now fags

>>15797723
>this board
and /lit/ who OP is plastering him with as well but I ain't mad at ya because I know you are just doing your part to raise the vibration of the collective consciousness to usher in Satya yuga so we can put Kali behind us and I love you OP because you are a real one unlike most of the people on this board who are retarded, onery, selfish and crude narcissits. The gods guide you because they chose you and you answered the call and will be well rewarded for your service I imagine when the time comes

>>15797723
>>15797734
>this guy

I wonder if this moron can show us an example of the light cone or Bell's Inequality from a 1000 years ago....

Bernardo is a grifter, a scammer and a midwit. Doesn't know science, doesn't know philosophy, but wants to lead a cult by presenting his unoriginal, shortsighted nonsense on youtube. He's the Andrew Tate of idealism.

>>15797759
He has two Ph.Ds in both physics and philosophy

>>15797760
sad that he doesn't understand bell's theorem despite that physics phd

>>15797761
What doesn't he understand about it?

>>15797760
A PhD doesn't mean shit nowadays. Literal retards can get a PhD in modern acadummia.

>>15797763
he thinks that locality has been disproven by bell tests. but anyone who understands bell's theorem knows that's false

>>15797767
Aspect, Zeilinger, and Clauser also think that.

>>15797770
yeah, it's pretty sad, the sorry state of the physics community.

>>15797772
Why do you think you know better than nobel prize winners?

>>15797774
...that bell tests don't disprove locality.

>>15797776
Nta, but you're just redefining locality in order to cope.

>>15797776
You have to drop at least one of the assumptions.
Are you really dropping statistical independence? That's extreme cope dude

>>15797779
no, that's not quite the issue here. well, there are 2 different definitions of locality which physicists confuse themselves over, but i don't think you knew that.

>>15797780
>dropping the assumption i hate is le good but dropping the assumption i like is le cope!
lol. at least you (seem to) understand the issue here. none of the assumptions have been disproven, or even tested

>>15797704
That just demonstrates what a retard you are. If there was no free will and you truly believed it and understood its consequences, you would not promote this view.

>>15797780
>statistical independence
Was never an assumption. You are a superdeterminism bot who is programmatically unable to realize why it is a nonsensical point.

>>15797793
>that's not quite the issue here
It is though. Quantum entanglement is clearly nonlocal in the sense of cause and effect but physics plebs like to cope by reducing the definition of locality so that it only applies to information.

>>15797855
because..?

>>15797855
not him but you can have randomness in a deterministic world, which always allows for fuzziness.
but that doesn't sit well with the two sides morons, there always have to be only two ways. fully deterministic vs retarded free will which makes no sense and nobody yet managed to explain it in a way that doesn't sound like a mental disease.

>>15797855
It clearly promotes this view because it has no free will. If it experienced free will it would be a he and not an it, and wouldn't make such retarded posts in the first place.

>>15797871
entanglements are always locally created. it's only the correlation that is 'nonlocal' after the two particles separate, which isn't weird at all.

>>15797723
It's often times not what is said, but how well it is said

>>15797883
Derp

ITT: retards try philosophy/babys first philosophical thought

GET OUT

>>15797878
>not him but you can have randomness in a deterministic world
you can't. you can't have ontological randomness if the world is deterministic.

either things could have been different (at any point), or they could not ever have been different. no in-between.

>>15797883
Except for the clearly nonlocal behaviour when applying a quantum logic gate to one of the entangled particles and thereby changing the corresponding probability distribution of the other particle even if it is light years away.

>>15797890
It goes ultimately deepened, and then undeepend in fold

>>15797878
>free will is a mental disease
This is what the WEF actually wants us to believe.

>>15797892
Clouds are random

>>15797892
>no in-between.
this is where you are gorilla retarded. because we KNOW larger scale matter behaves in deterministic ways, but very small scale it's a random clusterfuck.
we also know small scale interactions, at that level where quantum bullshit is happening, and where randomness is, affects larger scale structures. hence randomness from small scale creeps as effects on large scale structures.
kinda tired seeing faggots like you trying to set boundaries for what is and isn't.

>>15797895
>entangled particles
locally entangled.
>probability distribution
that's just math that doesn't provably correspond to anything in the physical world.

>>15797899
yes that's what hitler and satan and the demiurge enjoy, clearly bad. fucking primitive monkeys you are

>>15797902
If there was no random there wouldn't be unique life cells. Suck it up fags. You're retarded.

>>15797901
>le scales
lol

you really think it makes any sense to say that the small things could have been different, but the large things which they make could not have?

>>15797874
Because he either assumes that free will exists and that knowledge exists, which dismantles his position. Or he assumes that him holding to such a position and arguing for it is mere meaningless noise just like everything else, and if that's the case, there's no reason to hold to such a view, other than you just happening to hold it.

>>15797906
large scale could have been different yes. you won't have a bus tunneling on the other side of the intersection, but you can have some quantum foam bullshit fucking one strand of DNA and you getting cancer and dying instead of getting a nobel for discovering something whatever.
that can happen.

>>15797911
free will doesn't entail knowledge, nor does determinism entail meaninglessness.

>>15797912
>large scale could have been different yes
ok. but now you've made clear which side you're on.

>>15797916
>which side you're on.
I'm not on a side, I don't care for your dichotomy.
https://arxiv.org/abs/2110.00113

>>15797922
prove that it's not a dichotomy by giving a third option then

>>15797914
I didn't state any of those.

>>15797927
you cannot grasp that you could have done differently yet was completely not up to you.
do what you want with that.

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>>15797931
that's not a third option, that falls squarely onto the 'could have been different' side of the dichotomy.

but, credit for recognising that indeterminism doesn't immediately entail that we hold ultimate responsibility in the universe.

>>15797933
>'could have been different'
without free will. that's the thing. not only is it a valid solution, it's the most likely thing.

>>15797683
>Yes. Everything is mind.
proof?

>>15797936
>it's the most likely thing
we can't really assign probabilities for which one is true

>>15797855
>Too much of a pussy to acknowledge reality
go back to church if you're this terrified of the implications

>>15797932
I KNOW I KNOW STOP GUILT TRIPPING ME I WANT TO EAT MY STEAK IN PEACE

>>15797902
Globally entangled. Probability is inherent to quantum mechanics. Your local hidden variables have been debunked almost 100 years ago. Keep seething.

>>15798051
>Globally entangled
sabine says no
>Probability is inherent to quantum mechanics
yeah, but then it's a leap to claim it's inherent to reality
>Your local hidden variables have been debunked almost 100 years ago.
no they haven't lol

>>15798094
Oh look, it's the bot-like timewaster again who quotes Sabine without ever having studied QM.

>>15798100
do you think sabine is wrong?

>>15798101
Yes.

>>15798105
ok, i don't however

https://www.bernardokastrup.com/2022/11/free-speech-must-have-limits-lest.html?m=1

Kek, he wants to censor 4chan and X

>>15797939
If there wasn't any mind, you wouldn't know anything existed, therefore mind is a necessary substrate through which anything else is perceived, which makes it primary. Qed

>>15798157
Good, this shitty site shouldn't exist. Go look at /pol/ and retards celebrating literal slaughter of babies. Imagine taking delight in that, that's the piss river of the so called community here.

>>15798337
>/sci/ must be banned because /pol/ sucks ass
makes sense the retard wants to shut down the only place talking about him online. kek

>>15797675
>jewish shills shilling jewish shills

Bernardo says the epistemological cost of materialism is higher than the cost of idealism. Shouldn't dualism have the lowest epistemological cost and thus be the preferred option?

Just started reading his thesis. Lmao, this pleb doesn't know the difference between an ontological and a logical dichotomy.