/sci/ - Science & Math

Vega launches a dozen smallsats, Azerbaijan signs up to China’s international moon base project
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https://spacenews.com/vega-launches-a-dozen-smallsats/
> WASHINGTON — A Vega rocket successfully launched a dozen small satellites Oct. 8 while its more powerful version remains grounded for another year.
> The Vega rocket lifted off from the European spaceport at Kourou, French Guiana, at 9:36 p.m. Eastern.
> The two largest payloads on the launch were THEOS-2 and FORMOSAT-7R/TRITON, both placed in sun-synchronous orbits between 600 and 617 kilometers nearly 55 minutes after liftoff.
> The Vega carried 10 secondary payloads, cubesats ranging in size from 3U to 12U. The satellites come from a variety of European developers, including those supported by the European Space Agency and European Union, primarily for technology demonstration purposes. Those satellites were released 1 hour and 44 minutes after liftoff, although Arianespace said in an Oct. 9 statement that it was still awaiting confirmation of the deployment of two of the cubesats.
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https://spacenews.com/azerbaijan-signs-up-to-chinas-international-moon-base-project/
> HELSINKI — Azerbaijan signed up to China’s International Lunar Research Station project Tuesday, on the sidelines of a major international space conference.
> China has now attracted around 15 signatories to its ILRS initiative, according to representatives of the Deep Space Exploration Laboratory (DSEL) under the CNSA. However, a list of these partners is not yet available. The partners are known to consist of organizations and institutions as well as countries.
> China and Russia presented a joint ILRS roadmap in 2021 in St. Petersburg. Beijing has however since apparently taken the role of lead of the project since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

PLD Space Successfully Debuts Suborbital Miura 1 Rocket, SOFIA provides insights into the metallic characteristics of asteroid Psyche
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https://europeanspaceflight.com/pld-space-successfully-debuts-suborbital-miura-1-rocket/
> Spanish launch startup PLD Space has successfully launched the maiden flight of its suborbital Miura 1 rocket. The launch was conducted at 00:19 UTC on 7 October from the El Arenosillo Test Centre in Huelva, Spain.
> The flight lasted for a total of 306 seconds, with the vehicle reaching a maximum altitude of 46 kilometres. After reaching its maximum altitude, the rocket began its journey back to Earth, landing under parachutes in the Atlantic Ocean. The company had intended to recover the vehicle within hours of its landing, but PLD Space has yet to confirm that this operation has been completed successfully.
> PLD Space had initially planned to reach an altitude of 80 kilometres on its first flight. However, according to Torres, this was changed for “safety reasons.” The change included a lower trajectory and a reduction of the total burn time of the rocket’s TEPREL-B engine from 122 seconds to 103 seconds.
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https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2023/10/psyche-sofia/
> On Oct. 12, 2023, NASA’s Psyche mission and spacecraft will launch out into the asteroid belt to research asteroid 16 Psyche. Psyche, the asteroid, is thought to be metal-rich and is one of the largest asteroids within the asteroid belt. However, the true nature of the asteroid is largely unknown, and new research from NASA’s now-retired Stratospheric Observatory for Infrared Astronomy (SOFIA) telescope and NASA’s Ames Research Center is helping scientists predict what to expect at Psyche when the spacecraft arrives.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glX7ANmiS3E

It's over...

good morning
anyone going to go watch the eclipse?

>>15795980
Big plans from China but no big rockets.
Maybe they really are banking on space assembly of any big project.
>Host big space conference in Baku
>use it to announce ILRS goals
>It's Baku, so the West is about as impressed as if China announced it was having a bake sale at Tiangong

>>15796033
Isn't that in 5 days?

https://www.greatamericaneclipse.com/

>>15796041

Road closed

pretty cool maps on the site

>>15796033
I am not sure I have to remind people but this is 4chan: do not look at the sun without eye protection. It isn't a complete eclipse and you will hurt youself

>>15796057
fake and gay
just don't look at it for too long it's fine

>>15795970
Cancel MSR

>>15796077
anon JPL have spent decades trying to get their incredibly expensive vision of MSR off the ground. pls dont take it away from them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm7TyQs5Adc&t=197s

https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/1720lnv/this_does_not_seem_right_what_am_i_doing_wrong/

>The data we have: Thrust is 9000t with Raptor 3. TWR is 1.3 to 1.4. (previously 1.5). About 100 second burn on booster. Booster to ship propellant goes from 3 to 1 to something close to 2 to 1.
>With 9000t thrust and a TWR of 1.4 we get a gross liftoff weight of 6428t, quite a bit more than the 5000t Starship weighs currently.
>A Raptor 3 consumes about 822 kg/s, so the first stage burns through it's propellant in about 114 seconds, that's close enough to 100 seconds. That means that the booster will stay the same size because otherwise it would take too long to burn through the propellant.
>With 3400t propellant on the first stage the ship will need 1700t to be 2 to 1. That all comes to a GLOW of 5650t (3400+1700+200+140+210=5650)
>This is where the problems begin. Previously I calculated that the GLOW should be 6428t to satisfy Raptor 3 and a 1.4 TWR. Basic math lead us to believe that it should be 5650t. 6428-5650=778. What should you do with the excess 778t, you can't just add it to the ship, it would be to heavy.
>Have I missed something important, or do you have some other solution to the problem?
>The picture above is a half joke about the absurdity of the situation. The rocket on the right has a GLOW of 6428t.

>>15796131
Those dents, man. . .

>>15796136
its a water tank, so its fine

>>15796132
kys redditor and never come back

>>15795970
>>15795980
Another day not leaving ball earth. Golem bros..

>>15796132
Propellant reserve, it still has to land. Also if it only had enough thrust to lift itself it'd be kind of useless as a rocket

>>15796157
kys for encouraging it

>>15796158
Any interest in spaceflight should be encouraged, reddit or not

>>15796161
FUCK OFF back to Teddit TOURIST NEWFAG. Were full and DONT WANT YOU RETARDS HERE

redditor infested shithole, make sure to not feed any more (You)s to these cunts

stoke rocket in the background
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhALK64e4bk

Annular solar eclipse will turn the sun into a spectacular 'ring of fire' this week

https://www.space.com/annular-solar-eclipse-2023-this-week
> With less than one week to go, the countdown to the annular solar eclipse on Oct. 14 is thoroughly underway.
> The "ring of fire" phenomenon will be visible to those located on the 125-mile (200-kilometer) wide path of annularity that stretches from Oregon to Texas and beyond, spanning 10 countries in total. Those situated close to the path but just outside will instead experience a partial solar eclipse where the moon will appear to take a "bite" out of the sun.

>>15796169
lmao seething

>>15796173
fuck. YOU.

>>15796181

arianespace will rot away this decade

>>15796225
France will starve the banlieus before that happens
Hell they might just do it anyway, for fun

they're never going to let starship fly, are they?

>>15796225
And considering that Germans are more interested in importing Africans than space exploration, Europe is completely lost.

>>15796241
Not with the uniparty in charge, probably not. If they can nationalize it then maybe, but in that case it probably won't work anyway and cost 10x what it does now.

>>15796247
>>15796241
Starship shouldnt fly until it meets basic regulations. Its simple as that. Y'all seem to forget Musks blatant disregard for wildlife with the first launch.

>>15796254
Stop trolling.

>>15796247
>If they can nationalize it then maybe
elon will burn it all to the ground or make it a chinese company or something like that before that happens

>Y'all
>wildlife

>>15796228
It's been interesting watching old horror movies this month and watching popular opinion about space change. In The Mummy (1931) they don't even look up. In The Wolf Man (1941) they use telescopes and talk about building observatories in California. In Creature From The Black Lagoon (1954) they mention space explorarion in the same breath as marine biology being important to understand the origin of life.

>>15796262
Funny how anyone who critiques Musk or SpaceX is trolling. You are in a cult. Other companies dont do the fancy stuff SpaceX does because it doesnt work. They are substance over style because you need to be to get things done in aerospace.

>substance over style

>>15796271
You're a fag

>>15796271
they don't do it because they can't do it and in relatively they aren't really doing much at all

https://twitter.com/cb_doge/status/1711406622331855227

>15796287
extremely low quality post. you must go back

When did you grow out of your hate for Elon's Twitter buyout?

For me, it was sometime between then and realizing the money to enable one more trip to Mars than would otherwise possible is less important than winning the culture war, which is a battle about the very spirit of this species.
The culture war is also entertaining as hell.

>>15796304
I never had hate for it because I'm not retarded

Remember to report all offtopic faggots.

>>15796274
they are launching their own useless satelites.
other companies dont do that because you would need to have an insane megalomaniac at the top to make such a stupid decision.

>>15796320
what company are you shilling nigger

>>15795970
why does the moon have hair?

>>15796356
because its a hologram

>>15796356
lensing through the shockwaves spreading out from the rocket exhaust

>>15796271
It's obvious that you're trolling. You're trying too hard.

>>15796356
I'm guessing earth's atmosphere and that rocket exhaust. It's the atmosphere's fault again.

>>15796356
the moon
>has hair
>is made of cheese (and therefor must produce milk)
the moon is a mammal

>>15796172

>>15795626
Is there a source for this? No way rocket lab is that retarded

>>15796398
No, anon can't read. Its throttle range is from 50% to 100%.

>>15796418
That's not what he meant.
>>15796398
The source is Beck saying the engine has lots and lots of margin many times

>>15796420
>The presentation stated that the sea level version has a maximum thrust of 730 kN (160,000 lbf), an isp of 329 seconds, and can be throttled to 50% of maximum thrust. The vacuum-optimized version, on the other hand, has the same throttle capability with a maximum thrust of 890 kN (200,000 lbf), isp 367 seconds, and 50% of maximum thrust.

>>15796425
refer to this >>15796420

Russian technology strikes again
>ISS: In the last few minutes, MCC-Houston asked the ISS crew to go to the cupola and look for any signs of "flakes" toward the aft of station; Jasmin Moghbeli reported "yeah, there's a leak coming from the radiator on MLM;" the MLM is the Russian Nauka multi-purpose lab module
>ISS: Andreas Mogensen reports he's taken photos and sent them to the ground; no other information yet; the Russians suffered two recent coolant leaks, one on a Soyuz and another on a Progress cargo ship

https://twitter.com/cbs_spacenews/status/1711434135078641697

Rusbros..............................

>>15796425
>>15796420
>>15796431
Literally none of this means they'll be using it at 50% for liftoff. It has this throttle range so it can fucking land, even merlin can deep throttle to 40%. This is a good design decision.

>>15796432
Probably another American psycho drilled a hole in the radiator

>>15796439
>Literally none of this means they'll be using it at 50% for liftoff.
correct
>That's not what he meant.

>>15796432
Add it to the list

>>15796432
Nauka strikes again

>>15796432
I have a feeling that ISS will go down before the date if this keeps on happening.

>>15796457
We should just ditch the Russian modules.

>>15796460
I thought that wasn't possible? At least without sending some replacement modules to take over some stuff that the Russian modules are doing

>>15796466
Why would they? ISS deorbits in 2030

>>15796471
Shut the fuck up.

>>15796466
Zarya is owned by US.

>>15796471
that is exactly my point, you can't really discard the Russia sections
doing that would mean deorbiting the whole of ISS
the ISS is also in a retarded orbit assuming Russia will be ignored from now on so I think it makes sense to keep things going until the commercial modules are launched and can replace the ISS

https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1711433156677541900

>>15796487
frost starting to form

>>15796490
schizo.

>>15796487
Nice. Kinda lazily listening in background.

>>15796047
I-Idaho?

>>15796490
they could fill this piece of shit faster with a garden hose

X stream cuts off @ 1 hr? Or is that some setting inside the streaming option

>>15796487
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eer8MAvUhLE

more frost

>>15796532
it seems to be a x limitation

>>15795982
>PLD Space had initially planned to reach an altitude of 80 kilometres on its first flight. However, according to Torres, this was changed for “safety reasons.” The change included a lower trajectory and a reduction of the total burn time of the rocket’s TEPREL-B engine from 122 seconds to 103 seconds.
that shit got announced AFTER the launch, and several people at the company said they had no idea and had never heard of this lower altitude cap; extremely sketchy. My best bet is it was a partial failure of some kind that cut the altitude short and the CEO is just running maximum damage control to keep the scam rolling which is unfortunately very in line with how spaniards behave

>>15796543
>and several people at the company said they had no idea and had never heard of this lower altitude cap
source?

It's not too bad, the leak was in RTOd, it's not critical to Nauka's use

>>15796287
Do these faggots ever get tired of posting the same tired elon-fellating posts over and over again? is there anything more pathetic than being a groveling reply guy? I say this as an unabashed 1

>>15796363
We should do something about that

Another day not leaving ball earth. Golem bros..

>>15796473
Sticking your head in the sand doesn't help.

>>15796651
Everyone who has a blue checkmark can be onboarded into the creator payment system if they get enough views/impressions on their account as a whole. That faggot basically is farming impressions knowing that Elon will always respond to his posts. As a result, 37k people saw that one tweet of his. Do that a dozen times a day, do that every day for a month, and you get a sweet 2-3k check from X in your bank account. It's basically free money for low effort memes. Easily offsetting the $8/mo that is paid for the checkmark.

Another day not leaving ball earth. Goy bros..

>>15796703
So why aren't you smarter than this "faggot"?

>>15796651
I guess they get paid (through ad revenue share on X), but there were accounts doing this before the they were getting paid

>>15796651
Getting a reply from Elon is a giga (You) of sorts. Some people get off on that alone.

>Israeli Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant said on Monday that he had ordered a “complete siege” on Gaza. “No electricity, no food, no fuel. Everything closed,” he said, adding that no water will be delivered either.
I don't know how this is gonna end bros.

Fucking offtopic /pol/ imports ruin every thread I swear.

>>15796717
How is this going to affect Israeli spaceflight?

>>15796717
off topic

Moderators tongue nigger ass.

Starship launch when

>>15796736
Gonna be honest, I appreciate this trolling over every other type in these threads. Youre still annoying but not thread ruining bad like all these other swarthy faggots.

>>15796710
Cause I have important things to do, like calling you a faggot on this board.

>>15796737
When there is peace on Earth.

>>15796737
T W O W E E K S
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>>15796728
Hopefully SpaceX can hand them over some of their tech

>>15796737
Two weeks anon, its always been two weeks.

>>15796736
reminder that you are mistaken

>>15796651
Kino image. Where did you get it from?

NGMITO

>>15796077
Another photo, just in case anyone is interested. Good luck sleeping between the adrenaline rush, the mass autism, and the Ascent Engine table lol
Still love this bad girl though

>>15796762
Go back aicel. Not spaceflight or science but >>>/g/ youre not fooling anybody

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5LCl2SRbkM

Bloomberg Piece on SpaceX

>>15796772
Any actually new info, normie slop, or hit piece?

>>15796765
AI chads can't stop winning

>>15796774
by ashlee vance, so basically mostly normie slop, perhaps some poking but I doubt its going to be a complete hit piece

>>15796765
Is that an AI generated pic of falcon heavy?

>>15796784
>>15796774

ok this is about the companies by ex-spacexers and generally inspired by them, not about SpaceX or Musk
so about Impulse Space/Tom Mueller, Varda, Astro Forge

>>15796789
>ai faggot cant even recognize ift-1
exposed yourselves as shills, go back.

what went wrong?

>>15796802
They removed the white paint from the ET. That paint was structural, it held the foam together!

>>15796765
I'm pretty sure that Elon image is older than the recent wave of AI shitpost generation

>>15796765
It's this.

>>15796802
Lack of ambition and cost-plus contracts. Nothing has changed with Artemis either.

>>15796808
It's honestly insane how quickly it clears the tower with Raptor1.5s and some 2s. 3s increase the thrust another 20-30%.

>>15796755
Yeah that's why jannies work overtime to censor the flat earth truth.

>>15796802
it was fated to kill

>>15796810
I think all of the engines are Raptor 2s, but they were running them at just 90% throttle and only 90% of the engines were running.

>>15796802
They strayed from the path

*bombards flatsos to death*

>>15796802
They decided the fully reusable carrier booster & orbiter spaceplane would be too expensive to develop.

>>15796805
Idk if you’re just joking or being sincere but I’ve read that this is just a myth and that STS-1 still had foam dislodging. Hell, even Buran had tile strikes and that was a completely different design than STS!
I think sticking your brittle-tile spaceplane on the side of your tanks is just a bad idea in general

NASA should have never selected a configuration that needed to live up to their hopes/expectations to be a success.

>>15796830
Good way to put it hah, yeah. They should have had wiggle room for disappointment. I guess they were partially riding the wave of Saturn I/V/LM/Apollo/Skylab being really, really fucking successful on such a short time span from conception to flight idk.

>>15796805
Unironically.

>>15796712
>I guess they get paid...but there were accounts doing this before the they were getting paid
this is what perplexes me. maybe they WERE getting paid under the table

>>15796762
I posted it on /sfg/ probably a hundred times by now
>>15796765
not ai retard. it's an oil painting by Conor Walton

>>15796802
what didnt?

>>15796869
Bill Nelson wasn't on Columbia

>>15796835
The shuttle without Congressional or USAF fuckery would have been fine. F-1 based LRBs give you enough mass margin to put a metal shell on the ET and not need to use the OMS to circularize, which in turn means you can add some docking hardware to the ETs and start building giant space stations by STS-10 or so. The lack of O-rings and foam FOD strikes also makes the orbiter much safer and faster to refurb.

But no, some jackass in Utah needed solid rocket motor jobs.

solar system walks are fun

>>15796891
excuse me??

>>15796894
start somewhere with a model of the sun sun
then you walk the solar system. stopping at each point of a planet. usually you end at an ice cream stand

>>15796898
My city put one of those along main street when I was a kid, the plaques are still there though the Voyager marker should be at least a few blocks further down to be accurate.

Mwaaaah, the French... rockets have always been celebrated for their excellence

>>15796802
They boarded the shuttle

>>15796872
Biggest tragedy of them all

In other news getting insurance for space missions is about to get a lot more expensive after a bunch of people fucked up

>>15796924
whom? Russians or serious people?

>>15796924
the serious players (spacex) self insure. Do you mean like rocket lab?

>>15796925
Big hundreds-of-millions-worth communications spacecraft died this year and the industry is looking at almost a billion in total losses

https://spacenews.com/space-insurers-brace-for-more-claims-after-propulsion-trouble-on-four-geo-satellites/

>>15796928
PPU modules built by Aerojet Rocketdyne, integrated by Northrop Grumman (and I think the satellite design is theirs, not sure), but there were a number of other spaceflight related insurance claims, mainly satellite failures (ViaSat-3 Americas was not able to deploy the antenna for example, and if it is a total loss, is 700mil by itself)

Space insurers brace for more claims after propulsion trouble on four GEO satellites

https://spacenews.com/space-insurers-brace-for-more-claims-after-propulsion-trouble-on-four-geo-satellites/
> TAMPA, Fla. — Propulsion problems on four satellites using the same kind of power modules are expected to result in at least $50 million in claims for insurers already facing more than $800 million in losses this year following two major spacecraft failures.
> According to multiple insurance sources, Yahsat’s Al Yah 3, Avanti Communications’ Hylas 4, and Northrop Grumman’s two Mission Extension Vehicles (MEV-1 and MEV-2) are operating with reduced power to their thrusters following a problem with onboard Power Processing Units (PPUs).
> Insurers expect total loss claims totaling $770 million from just ViaSat-3 Americas and Inmarsat-6 F2 alone, in addition to $40 million from Arcturus, and around $25 million from Azersky/Spot-7.
> One insurer said the Capella Space radar imaging satellite lost in a Rocket Lab Electron launch failure Sept. 19 will also likely result in a claim of around $5 million, and that a payload from remote sensing firm Changguang Satellite Technology on the Chinese Ceres-1 rocket that failed Sept. 21 was also insured.

>>15796886
SRBs are safer and easier than liquid rockets. there are reasosn why any actual useful missiles use SRBs

>>15796961
Missiles use SRBs because they need to sit fueled and ready to launch for decades on end and hypergolics have a nasty tendency of eating the rocket on those timescales. They're an irrelevant joke when you have cryogens available.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1711542179921899769

>>15796948
lol, good. Hopefully this helps shift industry standard towards cheaper and more robust manufacturing practices and lower cost mass produced satellites, rather than work-of-art bullshit.

>>15796432
>Nauka
cursed module

>>15796961
they're more expensive, harder to handle on the ground, and they suck ass completely when you start messing with the payload mass, because they can't throttle actively.
Solids for missile defense are mass produced, they carry identical payloads, and they sit in silos for decades ready to use immediately. They're great for that application. They OPEN MOUTH SUCK ANUS When used for space launch.

>>15796965
>when you have cryogenic available
Not necessarily, for your first stage booster. Kerolox is pretty damn good

>>15796961
SRBs are only useful because the same factory that makes them, can also be repurposed to make more missiles to blow people and infrastructure up. They have no better value beyond being back stops for war.

>>15797018
On the contrary, SRBs mean you can use things that would be blowing people up for peaceful purposes

>>15796951
It'd be cool if all satellites moved to Hall based thrusters over traditional nozzle type thrusters; or if there's a need for those, they exist only for primary and kick stages--and for anything deep space or very high orbit activities, its just all Halls.

>>15797021
SRBs perpetuate one time use, which holds the entire industry back. They need to go the way of the do do.

https://spacenews.com/spacex-slams-faa-report-on-falling-space-debris-danger/

FAA using old Iridium sats from 90s that fell on ground as argument against why Starlink, which burns everything when it deorbits, maybe a danger

SpaceX challenges the reporting because of the erronous characterization of SpaceX based upon flawed and outdated studies that are not applicable to today's Starlinks

>>15797037
These are the same people clearing Starship for flight
And the same people who just wanted to ban 5G from airports because they couldn't be assed to update altimeter standards

https://twitter.com/SpaceNews_Inc/status/1711547178118676765

>>15797042
>just posts a twitter link to a post that links off site again
nigger, can you PLEASE just take the most important paragraph from news if you're gonna do this?

>>15797024
SRBs can be reused.

>>15797037
>>15797042

SpaceX slams FAA report on falling space debris danger

> TAMPA, Fla. — SpaceX called on the Federal Aviation Administration to correct a report to Congress warning that, by 2035, falling debris from U.S.-licensed constellations in low Earth orbit (LEO) could injure or kill someone every two years if they deploy as planned.
> In an Oct. 9 letter to the FAA and Congress seen by SpaceNews, SpaceX principal engineer David Goldstein said the report relied on “deeply flawed analysis” based on assumptions, guesswork, and outdated studies. The letter came four days after SpaceNews contacted the company with questions about the report, published Oct. 5 on the FAA’s website.
> The Aerospace Corp. also concluded the probability of “an aircraft downing accident” in 2035 at 0.0007 per year as a result of falling debris, which would likely kill all onboard.
> “To be clear, SpaceX’s satellites are designed and built to fully demise during atmospheric reentry during disposal at end of life, and they do so [emphasis in original],” Goldstein wrote in the letter.
>“Extensive engineering analysis and real-world operational experience verify this basic fact.”
> Goldstein also said the analysis improperly leveraged a 23-year-old NASA study that found roughly one piece of debris survives reentry for every 100 kilograms on Iridium Communications satellites — a much smaller LEO constellation.
> “The analysis is inapplicable to SpaceX satellites because — among other things — Iridium satellites were not even built to be fully demisable,” he said, and are “not similar in material, construction, design, orbit and operation from SpaceX or any other modern satellite in LEO.”

>>15797050
> According to Goldstein, Aerospace Corp did not seek to review Starlink’s demisability analysis, and its “errors may have been avoided if Aerospace had simply made basic inquiries with SpaceX, but it elected not to do so.”
> Goldstein also slammed Aerospace Corp. and the FAA for failing to update figures in the 2021 analysis for the size of constellations before submitting it to Congress.
> “The fact FAA simply accepted the Aerospace report without question or scrutiny raises concerns regarding FAA’s technical competence to responsibly assess and regulate in this area,” Goldstein wrote.

Incompetence or malice?

>>15797047
At the same scale and cadence that LRBs can? Can an SRB launch at the same cadence as a Falcon 9 first stage? If no, then its useless and should die off.

>>15797054
Incompetence whose outcome is unfortunately malicious.

>>15797047
SRBs can be refurbished, and the best the shuttle program was ever able to manage was an economic break-even. Fishing steel casings out of the ocean so you can ship them back to Utah to have more mix poured into them isn't a great reuse plan.

I wonder if Apollo will be the one and only time humans ever land on the moon… it might be automated from here until the heat death of the universe. Unless the chinks or poos do it manually or something

>>15797014
oxygen is a cryogen

>>15796784
God I fucking hate this dick, he's the reason why we didnt get IFT-1 Space #2, wasted it with his stupid fucking Ukroid questions and then Elon decided fuck you all not doing that again since that one went so badly with all the gotcha questions. Fucking bait and switch ruined any chances of more good info.

>>15797068
I know. I just assumed the anon I was replying to was strictly talking about hydrolox or methalox. That’s how I interpreted it but I see how he (you?) could have just meant liquid fuel in general I guess

>>15797047
the most complex and time consuming componemt of any SRB is the fuel you dip. Reusing solids doesn't save any money.

>>15797071
To me he seemed to mean that being comfortable with cryogenic oxygen means you have no reason to use solids or hypergolic propellants

>>15797067
apollo was automated too. the manual control Astros did were greatly overstated

>>15797075
automation has been shrinking the jobs market forever

NASA's cool with NG dropping out
https://nasawatch.com/commercialization/nasa-blesses-northrop-grumman-voyager-space-holdings-merged-commercial-space-station-efforts/

>Blue Origin seems to be losing interest and focusing [on] their big rocket, Sierra Space seems to wants to chart its own path, and Voyager/Northrop Grumman are merging their efforts (the only effort with flight-proven and operation[al] hardware already doing the whole space station thing).

>>15797097
so does BO give the 130mil back?

>>15797099
bozos is injecting $2 bil / year out of his own pocket. The heebs in charge over at BO are probably trying to keep every nickel and dime they “earn” from sham contacts

>>15797099
Blorgin hasn't officially dropped the project yet
https://www.reuters.com/technology/space/bezos-blue-origin-sees-split-space-station-partnership-sources-2023-10-02/
>The company has not notified NASA of any changes in the partnership, as its contract would require, a NASA spokesperson said. Reuters could not determine when Blue Origin's commercial contract with Sierra is due to expire.

>>15797054
Could be negligence, a result of incompetence + passive aggression against SpaceX/Musk

>>15797067
Nah, we'll eventually circle back to manual landing on celestial bodies. But we need to enter full spectrum automation phase first, because in the initial steps of expansion into the cosmos, with far too many unknowns, safety and prevention of loss of mission is critical--because downmass costs are prohibitive not for getting things to orbit, but getting things from orbit back down to a surface intact. Manual flight will return to the fold when downmass costs on celestial bodies are reduced to single or double digit dollars per kg vs the thousands or tens of thousands of dollars per kg it currently is.

>>15797099
apparently that money was just for the powerpoint. they arent required to build anything until the next award

>>15797101
>>15797097
They likely won't ever say anything for the rest of the decade and make no movement on it. Bezos has fat cats in DC in his pocket, he can lean on them at any time to make NASA back off for BO not doing anything about a contract they agreed to.

>>15797050
>In an Oct. 9 letter to the FAA and Congress seen by SpaceNews, SpaceX principal engineer David Goldstein said the report relied on “deeply flawed analysis” based on assumptions, guesswork, and outdated studies.
>Goldstein
Uhhh are we sure SpaceX isn't the bad guys here?

Wwwait hang on if glowies can image penis through 6inch concrete cant they just communicate with sign language

>>15796997
the airlines will still make you pay to use it

>>15797042
>SpaceX SLAMS Falcon 9 booster into FAA headquarters to show them what falling debris really looks like

>>15796263
If the US government starts trying to nationalize SpaceX then it's dead. There are no other alternatives.

tomorrow I move to my NASA job!

>>15797258
Good luck!

>>15797104
Why would manual flight controls EVER return? Just because your launch costs are cheaper is no reason to have to some retarded monkey sitting at the controls. Reminder that manual flight was only ever done by absolute units of high IQ test pilots with uncounted hours of drilling behind them.

>>15796802
Congress and the MIC, and to a certain extent Astronauts themselves not wanting to be obsolesced by an autonomous orbiter (if the soviets could do it with their extremely outdated and unsophisticated electronics, then absolutely the US could do it better)
NASA could've designed a competent side-mounted spaceplane style rocket, they even had design proposals that got vetoed
Boeing/Rockwell definitely had the capacity to build something better at the time

The two biggest reasons for the shittle being a failure are the requirement for the SRBs and hydrolox; BOTH of which were direct orders from congress that NASA disagreed with but had no option other than obeying. Even that massive delta wing was born out of the Air force's retarded idea of spysat snatch-n-grab with the shuttle and their insistence on ridiculous cross-range capability - neither of which were ever put to any use during the program. They even wanted to do polar launches from Vandenberg.

>>15797047
The point of reuse is reduced costs and increased cadence. Reusing the space shuttle SRBs cost more than building them from scratch and was also slower. 'Reusing' the SRBs was only ever about fooling people into thinking the program was saving costs or being efficient, and congrats because you are literally the exact braindead retard that 'reuse' was supposed to con. You know that flerfer spammer with the NPC wojak? You're that wojak, but for the shuttle being good.

>>15797306
I remember Doug and bob asking for permission to try to manually steer the crew capsule and NASA decided to grant them that opportunity, man it must have been sick. Flying a tin can floating in space far away from anyone

>>15797325
The biggest reason for cost overruns and insanely bloated budgets and insanely delayed timelines to delivery is cause some agency wants this one thing to do everything under the fucking sun, instead of building purpose specific designs, iterating on them quickly, and then building more advance variants of that over time. The semi-conductor industry figured that out a long ass time ago, but the government and military still hasn't somehow gotten this memo. It's honestly mind boggling. In the time it has taken to deliver this one thing, you could have built a dozen lesser things and then iterated on them to become better than this one thing; and all for probably 60% less cost, and with up to 50% more advancements in technologies, material science, software, logistics, supply chains, etc.

>>15797362

Barkun spambot back at it again, you all know the drill.

>>15797397
At least I don't worship going to space on missiles, a pre primal technique

>JUICE will only make 3 flybys of Callisto
kill me

Barkun Laughs

>>15797401
Callisto needs a dedicated lander/orbiter to scout out potential colony spots since its the only Jovian moon outside the radiation belt. Sending JUICE there which is meant to observe the entire Jovian system would just be a waste instead of observing what we most likely wont physically be able to for a long while. Its better this way, and atleast its not FUCKING DRAGONFLY which wont even visit the methane lakes, you know, THE ONLY REASON YOU WOULD EVER WANT TO GO THERE

>>15797422
hmmm signs of life inconclusive. looks like jpl will need another 100 billion and 30 more years to send a follow up! everyone knows you arent allowed to discover life in the solar system lest you will contaminate it :)

>>15797182
I think it's well known that there are certain people whose words are heard a bit more loudly in congress anon.

>>15797447
Could you maybe not encourage the tourists?

Another day not leaving ball earth. Goy bros..

>I wake up
>yet another russian hardware problem in space
Like clockwork at this point. Oh these pesky little meteors that somehow only strike the russian segment!

>>15797325
The SRB and delta wing problems both had multiple causes and were not necessarily a direct consequence of NASA being pushed by the MIC/Air Force respectively. It had other reasons for it in addition to being mandated, so it was a begrudging win-win for NASA.

SRBs were chosen for their high thrust and low cost, required as a result of abandoning the big flyback boosters. Delta wing allowed control crossing over from supersonic to subsonic, which they really wanted because the astronaut office was pushing for manual piloted flights so they wouldn't lose their jobs.

>>15797182
considering that a lot of congressmen are Jewish it's not a bad idea

>>15797480
Sure is a mystery.

>>15797543
not really, russian salary + brain drain + low budget space agency.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfuXUr-_Rns

>>15797543
I hope the mods don't ban you this time flatearthbro

Did Starship do another test flight yet?

>>15797582
Don't you think you would have heard if it did.

>>15797583
didn't last time

>>15797582
Yes, 2 weeks ago.

Future for starship looks weak. Trump is a shoe in for the next election, and he doesnt like Musk and doesnt really give a shit about space stuff. High probability Starship falls well behind schedule due to continued government shennanigans and artemis goes nowhere until next president

>>15797601
why are you posting over 2 year old headlines?
pretty weak bait overall

https://twitter.com/wapodavenport/status/1711510922873725353

> NASA update on the latest leak on the Russian side of the International Space Station.

>>15797608
over 3yo now

Another day not leaving ball earth..

>>15797601
still better than Biden

>>15797608
The situation from 2 years ago still effects today. Are you a nigger who doesnt understand time or something?

>>15797601
>Trump is a shoe in for the next election

>>15797646
Who do you think will win?

>>15797601
Trump would love a moon landing under his presidency & you know it. Artemis exists because Trump wanted a Moon landing last time.
If he knows anything it's how to get along with people he doesn't like when he wants something they can give him. All the more gracious if he can spin it into some example of putting aside disagreements to accomplish things or whatever.
Starship is inevitable.

>>15797649
Who?

>>15797651
Artemis doesnt plan to land under Trumps hypothetical second term. Perhaps Starship could do an unmanned landing on the moon which would still be a huge propaganda win for Trump, or even just deliver sections of Lunar Gateway and then Trump could play it up as if hes setting the groudnwork for humans to land very soon and its all thanks to him. I don't think it's near the top of his list of priorities though.

>>15797601
Rancid bait, please die

>>15797651
>>15797662
https://youtu.be/eJK1gLHbOxA?t=1136

slow general today, huh. FAA cunts are responsible for this.

>>15797662
The HLS demo landing should still happen by 2028, unless we get more Bidet interference through FAA, FWS, etc.

>>15797641
but it isn't and even 2 years ago that was hyperbole

>>15797663
Trump usually forgives people if they kiss the ring. However, Musk's ego is pretty big and he feels comfortable in shit talking the sitting president. I'm sure he would bend the knee if Trump twisted his balls with the FAA.

>>15797584
Do you live under a rock anon?

>>15797662
>Perhaps Starship could do an unmanned landing on the moon which would still be a huge propaganda win for Trump
Nobody would care

>>15797717
Fuck off

>Wernher von Braun’s brother was also a rocket scientist who worked at Peenemünde, then later at Chrysler first for missiles then mainly just designing cars
Literally what the hell, I have never heard this before

>>15797730
Chrysler used to make missiles? How did they go from that to making shitty looking cars?

>>15797728
I would...

>>15797732
Yes they were once one of the top dawgs in aerospace
And also yes. Now every American car is ugly as fuck and runs like shit.

>>15797728
If they bring camera equipment and manage to deploy it some distance from the ship the spectacle would generate headlines. Imagine seeing a gigantic bullet shaped silver spacecraft on the surface of the moon in high defenition. Poltards would still call it fake, but I think even the average man on the street would find that cool for five minutes.

>>15797749
And Musk is a great showman so I doubt he will miss this opportunity.

>>15797751
Awww. A faggot

>>15797732
Many, many companies retooled to defense production during WWII

Most of them don't do defense business anymore but Ball for example is still going strong despite its primary business making things out of aluminum and glass

>>15797523
SRBs were chosen to keep the ICBM industry healthy, them being cheap was the lie congress used to cover for the fact that Thiokol was lobbying them like fucking crazy to be the sole-source contractor for the boosters and plenty of war hawks and MIC puppets were more than happy to oblige.

The SRBs ended up being the most expensive component of each launch and even 100% expended LRBs would have been cheaper while also allowing for better payload to orbit, thanks to higher ISP and longer burn times - the shuttle went full-retard with gravity losses once the SRBs staged (long before any stable orbit) and the anemic SSMEs were doing all the work with a TWR well under 1.

>>15797753
Eat my cock like salami nigger

>>15797764
Gravity losses dont exist at that height. Do you even know what gravity losess are?

>>15797769
You are embarassing yourself, stop it.

Thread deader than american space ambitions

>check /sci/
>no starship or superconductor
>check /k/
>no tzd or tjd
>check /g/
>no open source llm as good as gpt3

Fucking everyone is letting me down lately

I didn't see this shitting on space plane kino posted here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk16En1qqEY

Another day not leaving ball earth. Golem bros..

>>15797782
At least we have a FH launch coming up

>>15797785
he really needs to delete that face thing he uses
He's correct about spaceplanes though, fuck em

>>15797787
Why does night fall

>>15797798
same reason we fall to earth.

>pic of F9 with moon
pffft as if anything less than a Centaur can deliver payloads there

>>15797808
t. Chatgpt nagger

>>15797662
SpaceX could do a landing just with their hardware, ignoring SLS and Gateway

>>15797782
aren't at least some of the LlaMA derivatives pretty much on par with GPT3? they're not true open source since they're downstream of leaked proprietary stuff, but you can at least run them locally and entirely offline

>>15797824
>aren't at least some of the LlaMA derivatives pretty much on par with GPT3?
No
Try them yourself if you want.
They are all fucking terrible.
In some ways i would say they are only 50% of gpt3
And then comparing them to gpt4 just makes me sad

>>15797785
it was posted a thread or two ago

there are a number of semi-interesting articles but I'm kind of too lazy to post them right now

SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy rocket is about to become a workhorse for NASA
https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/10/nasas-falcon-heavy-era-begins-this-week-with-launch-of-asteroid-mission/
---
Russian ISS module experiences coolant leak
https://spacenews.com/russian-iss-module-experiences-coolant-leak/
----
Proteus Space Emerges from Stealth with a $4.2M Seed
https://payloadspace.com/proteus-space-emerges-from-stealth-with-a-4-2m-seed/
----
Getting a new civil space traffic management system on track
https://www.thespacereview.com/article/4667/1
---
With a tweet, America has joined the race to develop astroelectricity—hopefully!
https://www.thespacereview.com/article/4665/1

Shuttle was great, fuck all the haters

>>15797838
Sounds like someone at the DoE is thinking about what Starship can do in terms of low cost to orbit massive payloads

>>15797846
name a single good thing about the shuttle

>>15797838
>With a tweet, America has joined the race to develop astroelectricity—hopefully!
Casey Handjob stans on suicide watch

>>15797862
niggers had to ride at the back

>>15797862
it's probably the single most iconic piece of space hardware

>>15797876
that is neither here or there
9/11 is one of the most iconic events of the 2000s

https://twitter.com/NASA/status/1711773717481615684

Preflight Psyche live event from NASA

>>15797907
9/11 was fucking kino.

>>15797862
it built the ISS and fixed Hubble

>>15797862
Satellite capture and return.

>>15797798

>>15797863
>by Mike Snead

>>15797862
It was unironically the most politicaly and popularly acceptable way to keep an active and healthy american crewed spaceflight sector in the medium term after Apollo.

>>15797928
https://odysee.com/@januszkowalskii1979:e/NASA---Going-Nowhere-Since-1958-(Full-Documentary):4

daily reminder that it will always be two weeks to the next starship launch.

>>15797828
Doesn't depend heavily on your hardware?

>>15797862
Highest in-flight death count of any spacecraft

Ha, some startup thinks they can make better solid rocker motors at Stennis. Does Evolution Space do hybrids or are they dedicated to a dead-end technology?

>>15797935
lmao
>the current president, donald trump
>posted 2022
that is some mid tier /x/ schizo shit (virus hoax, creationism, universe is <1M y/o, vaccine mind control, etc.), but the absolutely die-hard election hoax belief caught me off guard. I sure am gonna trust a guy who thinks trump is operating some secret shadow government behind the scenes and is still really in control, I bet he knows a lot about spaceflight

>>15797862
It gave Falcon 9 something to resupply

>>15797958
It's all part of the greater globohomo awakening narrative. But it's nice seeing you fixate on that one topic and ignore the complete fraud that NASA is which was exposed in that video.

>>15797967
>cosmic peace
the gayest possible future, make it so

>>15797862
Unironically normalized sending tons of people to space routinely

>>15797967
ok flerfer

>>15797974
Nah, is just a new age faggot

>>15797862
>kept the space program alive at a time when Nixon easily could have killed it
>was extremely aesthetic
>had a bunch of unique capabilities that no vehicle before or since (besides buran I guess) has been able to replicate
considering NASA's unwillingness to let go of those unique capabilities caused the shuttle to flop in terms of launch cost, flight rate & safety that last point rings kinda hollow

The US has some upcoming private/public landings planned. Honest!

>>15797983
The US is a pig dog country. Long live Israel and China!!

>>15797983
Why land on moon if there's nothing on it

>>15797963
Good point. Without the shittle and NASAs floundering for decades there would also never be a massive space company with a mars obsessed autist at the helm. In many ways we got the best timeline. NASA would never seriously advocate Mars comonization like Musk does, even if they did human landings since the 80's

>>15797983
Damn, Soviets were really bad at moon landings

>>15797987
Why are we wasting money on billionaire vanity projects while the people have so many problems?! I constantly have to worry about having to raise my wife’s son in a world where Musk and Drumpf still can pollute and suck up all the profits with impunity! I’m constantly crying at the state of the world! I’m literally shaking right now!

>>15797983
Was there really NOTHING in that gap? Did nobody attempt anything during those decades?

>>15797993
I wasn't shitposting, just why waste money on some rock when you could try landing on some planets.

>>15797987
We could put stuff there, like a mcdonalds and a comfort suites.

>>15798000
It’s a free vacuum chamber, a radio shield for telescopes, free high bulk resources and controls near earth space

>>15797996
Nothing

>>15798009

>>15797988
The shuttles built most of the ISS. That's what the other anon meant, I believe.

New stoke animation

https://x.com/stoke_space/status/1711800276154548281?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

They are pitching the second stage as a interplanetary craft as well that can land on the moon and refuel in LEO

>>15798023
Refuel from what? Haven't tanker launches by Starship already been deboonked by the usual YooToobers?

>>15798023
>>15798024
All I see is CGI

>>15798031
>New animation
>CGI
Brilliant observation, retard. Do you want a gold sticker?

>>15798023
That hopper is fucking tiny, really hope they atleast scale up somewhat. Also where the hell did you see in orbit refueling? No point in the video did I see that or the message.

>>15798000
Every planet is just some rock.

>>15797987
been saying this for literal decades

>>15797987
To put stuff on it dumbass

Theres no fucking way Stoke plans to make their own entire orbital refueling system btw. They use hydrolox and not methalox so they cant take advantage of SpaceX making their own system, so thats definetly not happening.

>>15798023
If this actually works, isn't it going to completely destroy Rocketlabs Neutron and Relativity R, probably New Glenn too in cost assuming New Glenn doesn't have reusable upper stage (and of course Falcon 9, but Starship is going to obsolete Falcon 9 anyway pretty quickly)
relativity had some plan to have a reusable upper stage? Rocketlab has no such plans

>>15798041
40 seconds into the video
they say it explicitly and show it, are you high?

>>15798054
what system do you need? just launch another rocket and refuel with that?
and it already kind of fits in with what BO is doing as they are going with hydrogen as well

>>15798062
Refueling requires tankers AND depots, with regular flights to refuel the depots its not as simple as fly one rocket up then another. Theres no way to change that and this is also their first ever rocket, you think they have the technical know how to do in orbit refueling or the budget? BO isnt doing shit for orbital refueling either, they cant even follow through with a space station they already got the money for. You think they will do anything other than coast on New Glenn for another whole decade? Dont tell me you think Jarvis will actually exist in the 2030s anon.

>>15798041
You’re more retarded than stoke engineers

>>15798065
No shit Im posting on 4chan

>>15798031
yeah, I'm not betting on orbital reef actually happening, but BO and SNC saying that they're still working together means that it's a 5% chance rather than 0%.

Doesn't BO need refueling for their lander?

>>15798023
>New stoke animation
The science community summed up in one word.

>>15798072
yes

>>15798019
I wasnt being sarcastinc, I was agreeing. ISS was a massive stupidly expensive detour bit its how SpaceX got its foot in the door

>>15798114
Why are you such a gay faggot

>>15798127
why are you being homophobic in 2023?

>>15798064
Depots are easy when you make them from modified upper stages.

>>15798064
>>15798041

Tankers and depots are potentially REALLY easy to build. At its simplest, you could literally just refill the tanks of a second stage. Depots and prop transfer are probably <<1% of the engineering effort compared to the rest of the rocket system. People who are worried about orbital refueling need to get a grip.

>>15798058
If Stoke can nail first and second stage reusability, then yeah, it's really hard for others to compete. A first stage will cost ~90% of the rocket, the second stage is ~10%. So if the lower cost from reusing it is less than the payload penalty, then yes, it will dominate others who burn up second stages.

I'm not convinced that Stoke's current ships really make much economic sense. It's payload is quite small. And a lot of engineering problems are harder with smaller ships (square cube law and all that). So I think Stoke's current design is a proof of concept that's cheaper/faster to iterate on than an actual economically efficient design which is probably in the 7m, 9m diameter (or bigger) category like Vulcan/NG/Starship. It will pay the bills in the meantime, with near break-even economics, but mostly it's signaling to venture capitalists that Stoke is competent a worthy investment.

>>15798023
Whether Stoke achives this is moot. Aiming high is the way, SpaceX would never have gotten to multiple launches a week if they planned for monthly launches.

>>15798129
Terrible bait. Take a pity (You), bless your heart

>>15798023
>New stoke animation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VglZ9a6CEcE

>>15798136
Suck my dick nigger.
>>15798137
Hes always like this.

>>15798137
Thank you sweaty 3.14

>>15798137
sit between the seat and my dick on our car ride huney.

>>15798135
Prop transfer is not as easy as it sounds. If I had to guess they will cold gas ullage thruster on both vehicles at apoapsis for minutes at a time and raise then lower the orbit during refueling

>>15798151
my ignorance just past away

>>15798161
youre ignorant. Just spin the spacecraft slowly to settle the prop and pump it!

>>15798023
You only live twice, Mr. Bond
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WczHADTsIec

>>15798177
oh great more cgi. stoke is a poser company. they will never fly their second stage.

>>15798174
SPIN IT
BEAR AND GRIN IT

>>15798177
My dick gets ahrd thinking of how I could clamp it in that little opening when it closes shut. Imagine getting your dick stuck in that and experiencing reentry the whole time.

>>15798135
>>15798161
>>15798174
yeah, spinning is a great trick. Also, could use some kind of inflatable bladder, ullage burns, etc. There will be pros and cons to all these methods, but regardless at least one is likely to work, and with sufficient trial and error they could all be viable.

>>15798161
why isn't it easy?

>>15798177
I saw this movie so many times as a kid lol

>>15798210
They all involve movement and moving parts, all things that carry inherent risks and wear and tear. In the case of Starship you're talking about two objects that each weigh many tons that need to stay docked with each other with near-zero variance in orbital motion during the entire refueling process. This is especially challenging because the masses of the two objects are changing dramatically while propellant is being moved between them.

>>15798225
doesn't sound that hard compared to rocketry in general
not buying it at all

taking a breather from israel. whats happened in spaceflight these past few days?

>>15798239
2 more weeks before starship flies

>>15798239
>>>/pol/. Dont let the door hit you on your way out.

>>15798239
absolutely nothing

>>15797989
They were bad at a lot of things

>>15798239
More CGI, two weeks
Stoke sure do know how to dream big at least

>>15797838
https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/10/nasas-falcon-heavy-era-begins-this-week-with-launch-of-asteroid-mission/

>One reason commercial customers (outside of lunar landers) have not signed up for many Falcon Heavy launches appears to be that the Falcon 9 is just so damn good. SpaceX may be a victim of its own success here. With a predictable launch cadence and a fleet of reusable boosters on the shelf, the Falcon 9 flies multiple times per week and can take off from three different launch pads, while the triple-body Falcon Heavy is currently limited to one launch site.
> Eventually, SpaceX wants to retire the entire Falcon rocket family in favor of the even larger Starship rocket. But Starship is still a long way from achieving NASA certification.

lol

>>15798239
Psyche launch in few days

>>15798292
Pretty much. SpaceX increased performance on the Falcon 9 via Merlin refactors by 250% over the first variant of the design. The efficiency of that is off the charts, and the total number of engines that come close to pulling that level of performance out of the same platform probably can be counted on a single hand. Falcon Heavy was really created to pursue USAF/NRO/Space Force contracts up to the higher energy orbits--but those are few and far between, because the remainder of the orbits can also be achieved by Falcon 9 even with reusability at the cost of shorter orbital shelf life. Incidentally, that actually ends up being a good thing for these DoD and USMIL branches, because the replacement cycles are more frequent, and more advanced technologies go up into these orbits, giving each new variant greater and greater capability.

So yeah, FH is a victim of the success of its parent, the F9 and the sea level and vacuum Merlin engine. Ultimately though, that "failure" is a good thing. It established SpaceX as the industry leader and enshrined the proper mindset and culture into the organization that will be difficult to steer away into a more complacent legacy player like belief--and all those abilities carry over and will carry over into present and future initiatives: Starlink, Starship, StarFactories, Starshield, and whatever Star-variants that bloom on the Moon and Mars over the next 2-3 decades.

>>15798289
I don't think there's much behind their deep space or refueling claims, but if they can manage full reusability while putting 2-3 tons into LEO with each launch they can take out all of the other small launch providers and take a big bite out of SpaceX rideshare.

If I were to start a launch company I would shitcan launch vehicles all together and just focus on building a dirt cheap kickstage to stick inside starship. Because how is anyone meant to compete with SpaceX? They are way too far ahead and have captured the market hard. Unless the government starts throwing megabucks at someone competent, it's over.

>>15798302
that wouldn't be a launch company, that would be a spacetug company
and there are plenty of those already too, though basically all of them are at the startup stage at this point

>>15798302
They dont care about competition. They're hoping for gov gibs for anything Not-SpaceX.

>>15798023
https://twitter.com/eager_space/status/1711812023372448240

>>15796304
shondo W

https://twitter.com/DrPhiltill/status/1711706603777307110

>>15798351
>compute in space
How do they cool the shit?

>>15798351
TomMueller is a demon.

>>15798239
Amazon launched their joke satellite

>>15798353
And how do they power it? Considering if it's solar they're off 50% of the time or in SSO which means you're not launching server racks into space

>>15798353
radiators

>>15798358
not LEO or just have batteries

>>15798358
Solar + battery
Gas generator
Nuclear

Not that hard to think through.

>>15798353
https://www.nasa.gov/smallsat-institute/sst-soa/thermal-control

What would the average Martian’s rations be?

>>15798370
>>15798360
>batteries

Not with current battery systems they aren't. Data centres draw absurd amounts of power.

>>15798377
Starbase runs multiple Tesla megapacks to both power Starbase construction and for Starship OLM. Obviously it can be done and it can be done at any scale.

Would an orbital ring as wide as the London eye be sufficiently large enough for inhabitants to not feel any difference in "gravity" between their feet and their head?

>>15798358

It's space bro
mineral oil and massive black body radiators

>>15798358
you could do a variety of sun synchronous orbits around the earth such that a probe is always in the sun (orbiting over the day-night divide with tidal effects processing it the correct direction by 1/365.25th per day) Or you could just dump a nuclear power plant in space, build an entire computing station around it

>>15798391
that's not an orbital ring that's just a rotating station, an orbital ring is when you build it around the whole circumference of the planet

>>15798383
Dude, data centres are out there sucking down 100MW. Starbase isn't even close to that kind of number and is also grid connected anyway. 1.2GWH to power your LEO data centre for a cycle, a megapack is what? 3MWH or something? Four hundred fucking megapacks plus all the ancillary shit. I bet the numbers work out for launching to SSO with pure solar power instead of that nonsense.

Isn't psyche the one where they found out it's actually not made of much metal after all, but they still went through with building the mission anyway? is it really that easy in JPL boondogglery?

>>15798423
Yes, they once thoughts its metal (iron) content was 90%. After Hubble looked at it, they believe it could be as low as 30% metal

>>15798426
So we're not crashing the gold market with no survivors?

>>15798428
.1% to .02% by mass according to two studies. it's quite boring

>>15798434
What's the point of asteroids if I can't mine enough gold out of them to gild whole football stadiums and skyscrapers with the excess?

>>15798410
A single megapack is 3MWH. They've deployed GHWs of these and have been growing over the last 2-3 years.

Thats only 33 Megapack. Starbase has a dozen or so of those right now. Enough to power a small data center today.

1.2GWH/400 megapack is nothing. Its less than 1 years worth of output from Teslas current battery pack factory.

With Starship, that can be done in few months.

>>15798406
Until either of those things exist in reality there is no need to nitpick over the terminology.

>>15798437
there's plenty of gold in the Earth's crust, get digging

>>15798446
I'd rather deorbit a gold asteroid and go dig in the crater it leaves.

>>15798453
as long as the crater is in israel

>>15798458
in Gaza?

>>15798468
glory to palestine, glory to the heroes

>>15798376
Rich in iron

>>15798473
zion will win. palestrannys get the rope as we speak

>>15798473
which are more likely to colonize space?

>>15798473
>This Film Is Dedicated To The Brave Mujahideen Fighters Of Afghanistan

>>15798468
Generally anywhere around there, I'm not picky

What's next?

>>15798580
Weeks. Two to be exact

>>15798580
https://events.economist.com/space-economy-summit/
The Economist is hosting a "space economy summit" tomorrow where a lot of industry luminaries are going to talk about how to make more money from space. Beck, Zubrin, and Kemp are all going to be speaking, along with about a hundred other people. Someone's bound to announce something interesting and someone else will say something unbelievably stupid.

There's also the usual lineup of endless Falcon launches.

>>15798593
Speaking of, Vast will be there. Also Max Haot looks allot older than I thought.

>>15798593
Top three predictions:
Someone's going to ask why they bring up space drugs when Varda still hasn't been cleared for landing
Someone's going to try (again) to push space mining, hell someone might even go as far as commercial ISRU for Artemis
Space hotels.

>>15798597
Space hotels is reasonable though if idiots with money are willing to pay $500k per night for some fucking castle in the middle of nowhere. Space has actual draw if its safe as well, but the price will need to be significantly dropped in $/kg.

Stoke space was only founded 4 years ago, can they really reach orbit by 2025 as planned?

Seems like Axiom will be the main space station for the Europeans?

>>15798608
We really need something better than 4-seat capsules before we can expect space hotels to have a chance of being a thing.

>>15798596
Did vast say anything new at the conference in Azerbaijan? I remember they said they would give an update on their timeline but I haven't heard anything yet

My SpaceX friend gets to go check out falcon heavy on the pad, very jealous.

>>15798618
Meds now

>>15798618
Froyo flavor now

>>15798624
Peanut butter swirl

>>15798624
Meds and bbc now

>>15798624
Frozen yogurt you cocksucker

>>15798618
Can touch one at Space Center Houston. Whole place is set up for children but worth it for that.

>>15798640
Falcon heavy you cocksucker