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>>15791393
FELON HUSK IS TAKING AWAY TAX MONEY THAT I NEED FOR SÖY LATTÈS AND BVLLS FOR MY WIFE

>Page: 9
You're desperate to be op it's pathetic
Nigger
Sage

cozy af

>>15791398

>>15791393
Cancel MSR

Rocket Report: NASA to test new RS-25 engines; Russia’s phantom rockets

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/10/rocket-report-stoke-space-secures-the-bag-japan-eyes-reusable-launcher/

Small Rockets
> Stoke Space raises $100 million, names rocket.
> Vega C return to flight mission delayed again.
> Rocket Lab opens new engine facility.
> Germany moves to competitive launch procurement.
> French aviation company talking to Rocket Lab.
> PLD Space says Miura 1 ready to launch.
> Protesters raise concerns over Scottish spaceports.

Medium Rockets
> Japan is studying a reusable launch vehicle.
> Russia's phantom rocket designs.

Heavy Rockets
> NASA to test new RS-25 engines.

5h to Atlas V launch with two project kuiper prototype satellites

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhxpuiOUZIc

https://www.space.com/ula-atlas-v-amazon-internet-satellite-launch-webcast
> Liftoff is scheduled to occur during a two-hour window that opens at 2 p.m. EDT (1800 GMT) today (Oct. 6).
> The first two prototype satellites for Amazon's Project Kuiper broadband constellation will lift off today (Oct. 6), and you can watch the action live.
> A United Launch Alliance (ULA) Atlas V rocket carrying the two spacecraft is scheduled to lift off today from Florida's Cape Canaveral Space Force Station during a two-hour window that opens at 2 p.m. EDT (1800 GMT). There's a 70% chance the weather will cooperate, according to ULA.
> If all goes according to plan, the duo, called Kuipersat-1 and Kuipersat-2, will be deployed into a 311-mile-high (500 kilometers) orbit about 18 minutes after liftoff, according to ULA.

>>15791399
how is he laying down when the back wall is curved? shouldnt he be laying on that wall if hes in a centrifuge?

Ulysses launched on space shuttle Discovery on this day in 1990
>heliophysics probe
>but it used an RTG
>no optical camera
Retarded

Russian president Vladimir Putin inspects Kliper, the would-be replacement for the Soyuz capsule, circa 2005.

>>15791413
it was more like 4h 15min
4h now

You do get that this means dream chaser is probably fucked? NASA cargo contracts wouldn't be enough, they needed a commercial partner ready to pay big.

>>15791431
What a shame. Sierra was arguing that it should actually be built and launched. Bob Smith was arguing that they should just procure a bunch of contracts, scam everyone for multi-millions, and never actually bother with hardware until NET 2035

NASA booster fleet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Freedom_Star
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Liberty_Star

>>15791382
>Our first commercial destination concept
Just a concept now. It's dead.

>>15791431
Fuck dream chaser, wasteful and overengineered program for minimal benefit. Give me more capsules.

>>15791433
I often wonder how Bob Smith lives with himself.

>>15791452
well he did exactly what the rest of the industry did, so fine I guess

>>15791452
he's an NPC, he's just following a checklist
his scripting calls for him to retire in luxury now

>>15791393
Another day not leaving ball earth. Goy bros..

>>15791477
submit

>>15791477
would you go to space if given the chance?
for free, all expenses paid

>>15791484
no. its a demonic illusion. if i want holograms i may as well watch a hollywood movie.

>>15791342
>>15791346
>how can this be a space station
>there's no isogrid

>>15791485
your mind belongs to Yuri

>>15791485
lmao

what does /sfg/ think are the odds of the next starship flight being sucessful?

Initially I would have said 1/3. But since the delays have been so long im trending toward 80% liklihood it reaches orbit. If loads of raptors fail again it will be a bit of a worrying sign for the future reliability of raptor.

I can't wait for these Kuiper tests to fail

>>15791413
It's a bonus for everyone there to see the Psyche launch
See a living oldspace fossil before the real deal

>>15791431
Blue Origin is fucked regardless, they can't fly for shit.

>>15791393
It’s so joever
https://spacewatch.global/2023/10/blue-origin-and-sierra-space-to-end-orbital-reef-partnership/

>>15791503
Dream chaser is Sierra's vehicle

>>15791497
It feels like that period before SN15. A long wait after the previous flight and they changed all the things that went wrong (Raptor reliability, electric TVC, water deluge). I'm feeling good about this bros

No more launches in 2023, I guess.

>>15791526
put me in the flame trench trunk and send me to valhalla please

>>15791526
what is this image supposed to show?

>>15791530
Despair

>>15791530
the FAA putting a sticker on the booster saying DO NOT FLY

>>15791530
Scaffolding being installed.

>>15791530
Niggers beign supressed from killing plovers.

>>15791528
Tie me to a falcon 1 and fire me at FAA
I am ready

I wonder what will become of BO's capsule that got NASA support recently. It doesn't seem to fit their roadmap; that is, it won't be eligible for any $5B NASA contracts any time soon.

>>15791541
Recent BO capsule, wtf are you talking about?

>>15791541
BO will continue to scam the government for millions without doing anything, and people with EDS will continue to claim that Musk is the con artist and that Blue is funded entierly out of Bezoses own pocket.

>>15791545
https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/seven-us-companies-collaborate-with-nasa-to-advance-space-capabilities/
>Blue Origin is collaborating with NASA to develop integrated commercial space transportation capability that ensures safe, affordable, and high-frequency US access to orbit for crew and other missions.

>>15791541
Sierra Space was a partner on Orbital reef and they are both making inflatable modules and the dream chaser
BO was also contributing to Orbital Reef, but as far as I know they don't have a capsule

https://www.sierraspace.com/space-destinations/orbital-reef-space-station/

>>15791548
That is probably talking about human rating New Glenn?
if its a capsule or just the first stage (like starship), I don't think they have talked about that

>>15791548
Yeah this wasn’t them explicitly expressing interest in a capsule

>ESA's Euclid has come to its (fine guidance) senses

>Euclid has found its ‘lost’ guide stars as a software patch has solved its navigation woes and the next six years of observation schedules have been redesigned to avoid stray sunlight: it’s the end of an interesting commissioning phase and Euclid will now undergo its final testing in full ‘science mode’.

>Loopy star trails show the effect of Euclid's Fine Guidance Sensor intermittently losing its guide stars.

https://www.esa.int/Science_Exploration/Space_Science/Euclid/Guide_stars_found_as_Euclid_s_navigation_fine_tuned

YAY!!! Euclid lives.

>>15791506
I wonder how this pairs with the rumor it's basically canceled internally at Blorgin after they reassigned everyone working on it. They won't admit it publicly but this is a sign something is clearly going wrong over there

>>15791551
>>15791552
It's clearly supposed to be an orbital crew vehicle that flies on top of New Glenn. I suppose it may not be a capsule though.

>>15791558
Scam Origin

>>15791549
>they are both making inflatable modules
Don't you mean were? Orbital Reef is dead and inflatables once again retain their complete meme status.

>>15791562
Huh I take back what I said then. Thanks for showing the receipts lol

>>15791564
BO was never making inflatable modules. They're responsible for the rigid modules with big windows.

>>15791564
I perhaps worded that badly, I meant Sierra is making two things, those things being 1) Inflatable module, 2) Dream Chaser
both 1) and 2)

>>15791564
What's wrong with inflatables?

>>15791484
Watch this understand:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/YsxccERAYBQs/

>>15791541
>>15791545
>Body Odor capsule

>>15791410
you could replace the entire Artemis program with this and it would stil be cheaper than one SLS

>>15791553
finally something tp be happy about
best space news in the past 6 months

>>15791609
The original CEV design could have been built up with a Falcon, we could have had a moon program for like 1/1000000th the cost of what we are paying now

>>15791609
kek

https://twitter.com/Spaceport_NM/status/1710327763142676723
The virgin spaceplane is underway

>>15791584
nothing, ignore that fag

>>15791633
forgot image, sorry

>>15791633
this went from vaporware to boring shit nobody cares about faster than any other rocket

>>15791641
Kek

>>15791641
They heard enough people saying "let's make spaceflight boring" and decided they'd try their hardest

>>15791634
Cool bouncy castle, where is the slide?

>>15791431
I feel like a lot of large companies are starting to back away from government contracts for space related stuff after SpaceX stepped up to the plate.
A lot of companies started to get comfortable with cost plus contracts and milking it as much as they can, or simply failing to provide a service (starliner) and they just go "eh, didn't work."
SpaceX with crew dragon absolutely fucked future contracts - with a small budget they developed and produced what other companies could only dream of.
Going forward, I bet a lot of contracts will be more aggressively enforced and lots of companies realize it.

>>15791558
>something is clearly going wrong over there

>20+ years and shit to show for it
Ya don't say?

>>15791658
Probably why Northrop just backed out as well, and instead offered Cygnus resupply for Starlab which is trivial.

>>15791427
Russians about to still use the Baseduz by 2025.

>>15791663
I wouldn’t be surprised if it made it to 2040 I’m not even joking

>>15791497
>If loads of raptors fail again it will be a bit of a worrying sign for the future reliability of raptor.

Considering raptors used to struggle to ignite, would catch fire or run engine-rich, and used to weigh 400+kg more than current models, their reliability has drastically improved.
Also considering the raptors on the next test flight are already outdated, the upcoming test won't reflect current raptor reliability.

Instead of only running raptors on test stands, they actually test them on real rockets to see how they perform real time and not based on tests in controlled environments. What you are seeing is usually behind the scenes at larger space companies.

>>15791667
The only way they won't is if they lose manned spaceflight entirely

>>15791669
>Considering raptors used to struggle to ignite, would catch fire or run engine-rich
It seems like all three of those happened on the last test flight

>>15791633
>>15791413
it's a decent start but we need something big to fill out the day

>>15791673
>all three of those happened on the last test flight

Yes, but they happened at a much lower incident, and while firing off 30 at once. Prior to this, it was only 3 engines at once, and they did struggle to ignite at all.
Not to mention that 30+ raptors at once generates a LOT of vibration forces. That fact that Starship got off the ground without blowing to pieces was impressive.

>>15791660
More than usual, I mean. That's the kind of response you see when something urgent and deadline-critical goes wrong and they need more engineers to drag it over the line. More trouble with the BE-4s?

>>15791676
>More than usual, I mean.
I wouldn't be surprised, considering Jeff Who is putting more time into BO now that he isn't CEO of Amazon, and BO is shaking up their own CEO spot. A lot is going on behind the scenes.

>More trouble with the BE-4s?
I still have money on Vulcan failing due to a BE-4 whenever it finally goes on the pad. BO has struggled with the BE-4 and even one of the "functional" engines they sent to ULA ended up being defective and had to get shipped back. That's embarrassing.

>>15791427
The absolute state of...

>>15791674
One hour until Kuiper launch

>>15791419
It's not a centrifuge, it's from a 1970s proposal for a zero g station.

>>15791702
Oh and Vega (not-C) returns in a few hours

>>15791419
probably some sort of dumbbell station

>>15791413
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKCh5qfLyW0

NSF live, official stream starting in 40 minutes

>>15791703
how is that nigga laying down at all then?

>>15791490
it sure does

>>15791727

>>15791724
straps (or most likely clueless artist)

Kek

>>15791735

>>15791724
like this

>>15791735
Now this is shitposting.

>AIslop on SpaceNews
Oh no

>>15791750
it just works

>>15791750
Won't someone PLEASE think of the stock photo companies?

>>15791723
>>15791413

live now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhxpuiOUZIc

there is going to be a 20min hold now I think

Clear Live!
Project Kuiper Protoflight Mission
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLejUycSdmU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLejUycSdmU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLejUycSdmU

+ important tweet: https://twitter.com/clearusui/status/1710103858884771914

>>15791735

WE

>>15791413
>These satellites will let Amazon and the Kuiper program finalize designs and blah blah blah
So these are basically Tintin A&B. That means, absolute best case scenario, they're five years behind Starlink, while Starlink is accelerating in launch cadence and revenue growth constantly.
And that best-case scenario is a total fantasy.

>>15791770
yes, exactly Tintin A&B equivalents, but these got delayed, so they have probably done some development and they are not trailblazing this technology, they could copy what SpaceX did and in that way speed up that 5 years

>>15791774
Even if the satellite hardware and ground equipment that's ready to deploy is on par with or even better then Starlink, they're still hopelessly behind.

was there a stream for the virgin flight?

>>15791770
Amazon doesn't have the same business goals for Kuiper as SpaceX does for Starlink.
>connecting Amazon buildings
>connecting Amazon vehicles
>loss-leader pricing for consumers in poor countries to get them to buy other goods and services from Amazon
At least that's how I'd do it if I was them. Attempting to compete directly with Starlink as a profit driver would be retarded.

>>15791735
AHAHAHAHAA

>>15791781
>Attempting to compete directly with Starlink as a profit driver would be retarded
Hate to break it to you but bezospace isn’t exactly brimming with good ideas kek

>>15791781
>>15791787
Right. Bezospace is merely creating a clone of something someone does. He may have chewed on 20 gums at a time when he tried copying Elon's works. Tesla/SpaceX/Starlink. I'm waiting on Neuralink copycat from Amazon or something in few years

29 engineers to launch lmao never going to be cost effective

>>15791789
Pity they already burned the Cognito trademark on something else.

>>15791790
it was never meant to be cost effective

evens - successful
odds - RUD

>launching American payload with Russian engines
shamefur

max-qute!

>successful launch
ctrl + w

It's not quite BO, but Jeff finally got something to orbit!

>>15791813
Jeff retired from Amazon years ago.

>see this recommended https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXXlSG-du7c
>literally who?
>34 million views
wtf so this is spaceflight for normies

>>15791813
The amazon alexa thingee launched in the Artemis I Orion capsule

>>15791780
No, they stopped doing them one or two flights ago

>>15791817

Hi Alex

>the western bloc has starlink, oneweb, kuiper, and dozens of other large constellations
>the eastern bloc has zero constellations
how are we supposed to fight a space war if there's nothing to fight?

>>15791856
That's why we need to just crush the east forever and then go out to conquer the solar system. The distances involved will lead to factionalization sooner or later.

>>15791856
russia is planning one, on powerpoint

>>15791856
china has at least two coming

>>15791449
*cuckshed pods

>>15791873
on powerpoint

>>15791887
One's a national network so people start disappearing if it doesn't happen.

>>15791893
that's just the normal state of operations in communist china though

>>15791800
>Ukraine collapses
>ULA dumps Blue Origin and starts building RD-180s for free

>>15791893
This is probably the one good thing about one-party authoritarianism. The big guys say something is going to happen and give a deadline? By God it better happen or everyone will die trying lol
China would have men on the Moon already if Xi gave a ‘before this decade is out’ speech and allocated more funding/resources

>>15791817
But how about the launch?

>>15791911
I think it's more likely that they'll end up in a "China's final warning" or "Russia's red line" situation than anything else, much money being embezzled, some patsies being thrown under the bus, and the whole situation being memoryholed

>>15791918
I agree

>>15791911(me)
Although the example I gave literally happened with JFK and capitalism and we actually landed man on the moon with only like 8 years’ notice so…
Not much redeeming qualities for pure authoritarianism idk

>>15791918
Very true

>>15791758
The stream fucking sucked. No stats, no upper stage coverage.

>>15791920
>>15791925
anybody remember Proton?
Soyuz 5.whatever?
Angara?
Vostochny cosmodrome?

https://youtu.be/xLt5Vvgc1vA

>>15791800
They intentionally switched the engines view out of the stream. It was pathetic.

>>15791949
>tfw have my ham license
>haven't made a single contact

>>15791781
>Amazon doesn't have the same business goals for Kuiper as SpaceX does for Starlink.
Are they really planning to launch a megaconstellation on expendable isogrids? How does that work financially?

>>15791953
"haha AWS printer go brrrrr"

>>15791530
It's AI generated, so who knows?

>>15791957
You are AI generated.

>>15791954
for real. Infinite money glitch

These are the russian unmanned moon landings you haven't heard about. They happened around the same time the americans were landing freemasonic puppets on the moon. None of that shit is real of course no matter what mental gymnastics you guys run for them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VglZ9a6CEcE

>>15791963
I am your shadow! A crude outline of YOU!

>>15791911
you are confusing face saving facade circuses with actual real results. common mistake for anybody fooled by their copeganda. very common with both westerners and turdies living outside those dogshit systems

as for xi bear and his uncompromising will remind us exactly what happened to the zero covid lunacy program that was tagged as his flagship policy for quite a while

>>15791911
I don't think the fact that you die if you fail actually improves your performance very much. If Xi did that they probably wouldn't make it, and then not only would all the heads of the space program be killed, but Xi himself would suddenly find himself in an incredibly precarious political position. JFK could do that shit because it was guaranteed he wouldn't be in office when the deadline was out, so he could blame his successor and not catch and flak.

>>15791989
considering flak is antiaircraft fire...

Northrop and Voyager emphasize benefits of commercial space station partnership, Connecting the Dots | Double whammy for space insurance
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https://spacenews.com/northrop-and-voyager-emphasize-benefits-of-commercial-space-station-partnership/
> WASHINGTON — Northrop Grumman and Voyager Space executives said their decision to work together on a commercial space station project, rather than pursue competing efforts, is a natural progression for an emerging industry.
> The two companies announced a partnership Oct. 3 where Northrop Grumman will develop a version of its Cygnus spacecraft capable of docking autonomously to Voyager’s Starlab space station, along with other potential future contributions. Northop will also end development of its own proposed commercial station.
> Under the partnership, Voyager will pay Northrop an unspecified amount for upgrading the Cygnus for automated docking, as well as agree to purchase a set number of Cygnus flights. Taylor said the companies are “actively scoping” additional Northrop contributions to Starlab, looking at “a lot of different areas to get Northrop and the technical capability involved in the project.”
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https://spacenews.com/connecting-the-dots-double-whammy-for-space-insurance/
> An issue with the Inmarsat-6 (I6) F6 2 satellite could send the space insurance market deep into the red, pushing up rates that were already rising following news of ViaSat-3’s troubles just six weeks earlier.
> While engineers are still working on salvaging at least some of the broadband capacity on ViaSat-3, insurers are bracing for a $420 million total loss. That would be nearly 80% of the $550 million premium income the market at one point expected for 2023, according to insurers who did not want to be named.
> Meanwhile, insurers say a total I-6 F6 2 loss would set the market back $350 million.

How wrong were space SPAC projections?, When funding is down, shore up your brand (Opinion)
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https://spacenews.com/how-wrong-were-space-spac-projections/
> Wildly missed revenue projections cast a long shadow over space firms that went public by merging with a SPAC, or special purpose acquisition company, as their shares continue to underperform in the market.
> Of those that held investor presentations in 2021 for their SPAC tie-up, only Rocket Lab beat the revenue target it made for the following year. Planet hit its projection, and Terran Orbital was just 2% under. The rest were significantly off the mark.
> However, all post-SPAC space firms look to be coming in short of the 2023 predictions they made in 2021 — even Rocket Lab, which now expects to make around $67 million in the third quarter of 2023 after reporting $117 million in revenue for the first half. That is some $83 million shy of its earlier $267 million forecast for 2023 that it will need to make up for in the fourth quarter.
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https://spacenews.com/when-funding-is-down-shore-up-your-brand/
> Economic headwinds: You feel them at the pump, the grocery store, and now in space.
> Investment in the space industry has fallen back to Earth, totaling only $2.2B in Q1, according to Space Capital. Q2 was better, but excluding the Maxar take-private transaction, Q2 was the lowest quarter for private market investment in the space industry since 2015. In general, funding is scarcer, investors are more cautious, and company leadership more crucial.

>>15791992
Small planes are the preferred assassination method these days

>>15791995
People predicted the small launch market has nowhere to go but down. Rocket Lab better hope Neutron is online before SpaceX eats their lunch

Atlas V rocket completes on-target orbital delivery for Amazon,
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https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/10/first-two-satellites-for-amazons-broadband-megaconstellation-launch-today/
> The first two prototype satellites for Amazon's broadband network launched Friday from Florida, the first in a series of at least 77 rocket launches the retail giant has booked over the next six years to deploy a fleet of more than 3,200 spacecraft to rival SpaceX's Starlink system.
> SpaceX said last month its Starlink network, with more than 4,000 operational satellites, has surpassed 2 million active customers and is available on all seven continents. SpaceX continues to launch satellites, sometimes multiple times per week, to add capacity to the Starlink network. OneWeb, which recently merged with the French satellite company Eutelsat, has more than 600 satellites beaming broadband signals from orbit. The slightly higher altitude of OneWeb's satellites means that its network doesn't require as many spacecraft for global coverage.
> Amazon's Kuiper constellation will number 3,236 satellites, spread out in 98 orbital planes, or pathways, crisscrossing the planet at an average altitude of about 380 miles (610 kilometers). In its license application with the Federal Communications Commission, Amazon said the Kuiper satellites will fly in mid-inclination orbits, enabling Internet service for customers between 56 degrees north and south latitude.
> Amazon signed the largest commercial launch contract in history, snatching up rides on ULA's new Vulcan rocket, Blue Origin's New Glenn, and Arianespace's Ariane 6 launcher. All told, Amazon has purchased 77 launches: 38 Vulcan launches, plus nine flights on ULA's soon-to-retire Atlas V, 18 Ariane 6 rockets, and 12 New Glenn missions, with a contract option for 15 more. Each rocket will carry several dozen operational Kuiper satellites to space on a single mission.

>>15792004
> Silent treatment
> Amazon is keeping quiet about the details of the Kuiper satellites. The company did not release any photos of the spacecraft, or even any artist's illustrations, before the Protoflight launch Friday. SpaceX and OneWeb published imagery of their broadband satellites before they launched into space.
>Amazon has not revealed much about the design of its Kuiper satellites other than that they are three-dimensional in shape, not flat-packed for launch like SpaceX's Starlink broadband satellites. Each Kuiper spacecraft likely weighs a few hundred kilograms at launch, so a dedicated Atlas V launch into low-Earth orbit for just two of Amazon's satellites is a bit of overkill.
> To add another layer of secrecy to this launch, ULA's live broadcast Friday ended after separation of the Atlas V's first stage from the Centaur upper stage about five minutes after liftoff. This was at the request of Amazon, the ULA spokesperson said.
>This policy of cutting off live coverage before the rocket reaches orbit is similar to what ULA does during launches of US government spy satellites. In those cases, the government's spy satellite agency requests the launch provider to end the public webcast shortly after liftoff, similar to what Amazon has asked for Friday's launch.
> At the end of the test mission, Amazon says it plans to "actively deorbit" both prototype satellites to allow them to ultimately burn up in Earth's atmosphere.

Virgin Galactic performs fourth commercial suborbital flight,
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https://spacenews.com/virgin-galactic-performs-fourth-commercial-suborbital-flight/
> WASHINGTON — Virgin Galactic continued its monthly cadence of commercial suborbital spaceflights Oct. 6, carrying three customers that included the first person from Pakistan to go to space.
> As with the previous flight, Galactic 03 on Sept. 8, Virgin Galactic did not provide a live broadcast, limiting itself to social media updates. Those updates themselves were published on a time delay: one post announcing ignition of the vehicle’s hybrid rocket motor was published at least 12 minutes after ignition, based on the timestamps in the images included with the post.
> The flight was the fourth for VSS Unity since the company started commercial service in late June. The company said it planned to maintain a monthly flight cadence for the foreseeable future, slowly working through its backlog of about 800 customers, some of whom paid deposits for their tickets more than 15 years ago.

I cannot even begin to go into how desirable the technology behind the Raptor is to the military, the fact that it uses methane is only a part of the whole appeal to them. SpaceX upper management knows this and is probably being pressured by the military to accelerate Raptor development.

Starship only exists in reality because it’s cheap R&D testing to pay blue collar workers to assemble water towers made of stainless steel, put your stupid man child CEO in charge of the project so he stops pestering and annoying everyone doing real aerospace work, give him a fuck ton of Raptor engines, and let him try to to bring his stupid fantasy to life. It will probably not happen, but it will generate metric fuck tons of test data from a wide range of different conditions, allowing for faster engine development compared to more traditional methods.

And because and all corporations are evil, including SpaceX. They’re okay endorsing this fucking death trap made with design input from their man child CEO that will kill people because it is flashy, futuristic, and generates hype and ensures support for Raptor development, ensures that there is cash input from rich people with inadequately developed senses of self preservation.

Really it’s a weapons system hardware program being developed by a private corporation for the military. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Area 51 has Raptor engine prototypes and are doing their own testing.

>>15791995
Didnt realize how tiny these companies are in terms of revenue.

SpaceX takes in more than their annual revenue with just 1 month of Starlink revenue alone. A single rocket launch sold by F9 can reach close to entire revenue of each of those companies.

AI-powered shitposting is still shitposting

>>15792022
The profits from launch services have always been a fraction of payload construction, which is also a fraction of the profits from satellite operations.

>>15791484
Of course

>>15791393
What books would you recommende to get into spaceflight?

>>15792032
Do you want to learn history or the enginering part?

/sfg/ has already forgot about the cold cloud menace :(

>>15792035
How about both? Read October Sky. Better yet, how about reading all of his memoirs.

>>15792035
Engineering part of it mostly, but if there's a good history of it on it's own i would also enjoy it. Books in the vain of Structures by j e gordon is what i'm looking for.

>>15792052
Ignition is also a fun one.

>>15792007
>amazon not letting anyone see the satellites
Now I'm thinking that these things don't even exist and ULA just launched an empty rocket.

>>15792061
I think you might know too much, expect someone knocking on your door.

>>15792007
>>15792061
https://x.com/BellikOzan/status/1710086623109791826

Probably spy sats, like that time when SpaceX launched some prototype Starshields but never acknowledged them.

>>15791641
i never cared about virgin, it was never good it doesnt even go to space

>>15791507
>Dream chaser is Sierra's vehicle
Dream Chaser is Jim Benson's vehicle. It's just been handed off to a series of incapable companies since his death.
F.

>catching up on space news
>china's space station to double in size
>they also might build a interplanetary communication network
finally some good shit. i feel like china has to rely on relay sats spread across the solar system because they dont have access to a global network of ground stations like the US does.

>>15792086
setting aside that it is Sierra Space actually building it

>>15792087
>interplanetary com net
SpaceX/Musk has talked about building Mars/Earth laser relay networks just a day or so ago and before as well. I'm wondering what sort of bandwidth can be achieved with lasers between planetary systems?

More importantly, how would a good relay be built with a decent bandwidth between Earth/Mars? What relay points do they need to secure a good bandwidth?

This might be off topic and r*eddit, but if you really want to see some EDS then

https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/170q9bx/elon_musk_says_spacex_could_land_on_mars_in_3_to/

https://www.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/comments/170wq4x/elon_musk_says_spacex_could_land_on_mars_in_3_to/

>>15792112
Kinda meaningless given the entirety of reddit is suffering from EDS

>>15792112
EMS and RT are hellholes, it's like linking to a literal schizo nest. It's EDS babble. Yes yes yes we know they exist, oh no I'm angry.

>>15792114
Yes, but its the most concentrated there and in this case specifically about SpaceX and Starship

>>15792108
SpaceDev was actively working it before Jim's death. As far as I can tell, almost nothing has happened in the intervening 15 years for Dream Chaser. What, a couple of drop tests? They should have been in serial production years ago.

Read this

>>15791762
this post was meant for >>>/vt/

>>15792132
NEA is near earth object I guess
the moon?

>>15792019
oh look it's griffin schizo again

>>15792144
Near Earth Asteroid

This makes oldspace scream and cry

>>15792132
Look at this fucking mission architecture. Whoever drafted this abomination up should be shot.

could have even use dual providers
congress basically picked the most expensive option? lol

>>15792150
no, this does: https://thedebrief.org/air-force-research-lab-takes-giant-leap-into-the-new-space-age-with-plans-for-nuclear-powered-spacecraft-systems/

>>15792167
Why would it. Oldspace will get the contracts to assemble the one off 50 billion dollar nuclear tin can.

>>15792044
>menace
it would be a good thing

>>15792132
DEPOT??? NATIONALIZE THIS MAN

why don't they just send some mexicans up and some sheet metal and let them weld together a habitat

All three objects from the KuiperSat launch (2 payloads, Centaur stage) now cataloged by USSF, confirming successful launch.
No classified payloads it seems.

>>15792188
One object from the KuiperSat launch cataloged in a 486 x 512 km x 30.0 deg orbit
other two in similar orbits

I work on Kuiper and all I can say to you faggots without daddy Bezos fucking my ass is LOL LMAO

>>15792198
C'mon bro break the NDA we're good for it

>>15792198
So satellites are broken...

>>15792198
they're so fucking paranoid and secret, is it because it's shit

>>15792198
Didn't Amazon hoover up some fired Starlink team?

>>15792206
yep, they snatched the people elon fired from starlink in 2019 because they were moving too slow

>>15792200
No <(-_-<)
>>15792203
Not that I know of (they launched and most of us other than the ops team left for the day to go celebrate)
>>15792205
Nah it's just Bezos being Bezos. I don't think it's any new info to say that Kuiper takes the BLORG approach of "slow and steady"
>>15792206
Kuiper is literally a mile down the hill from Starlink. Half of us are former Spacexers lol

>>15792211
Did you meet Elon or Bozos?

>>15792211
what's the predicted apparent visual magnitude of the satellites and their radar cross section at 15 GHz?

sharks are older than Polaris, the oft-called ‘north star’

>>15792212
Met Elon once but it was just a hello and a handshake. He's sweaty and has weird clammy hands lmao. Very imposing though. Like a chubby African Mr. Burns. Never met Bezos. He has toured a couple times allegedly but since he's just the company owner now he doesn't do much hands-on anymore.

>>15792198
Hope you’re making lots of $$$ and barely doing any work lol

>>15792218
>Like a chubby African Mr. Burns
Lmao what

>>15792215
Not my problem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jszhirm1CG0

SN1 launches from Spain in 30 minutes

>>15792220
kek
>>15792222
idk how to explain it but he puts off Mr. Burns vibes

>>15792183
i miss the good old fashioned days of shelbyposting

>>15792225

>>15792225
hope it works out for at least one of these private euro launchers. kill Ariane for me bros

>>15792215
>it’s real
My brain cannot process this information as factual

>>15792229
you could contribute to my beautiful piece of artwork >>15791742

lol its in spanish wtf

>>15792225
I'm expecting a scrub

>>15792236
I don't speak spanish but it's such a simpleton language I can parse a lot of it anyway.

so this is a booster demonstrator for a smallsat launcher?

> The objective of this third launch attempt of the MIURA 1 SN1 technology demonstrator will be to gather as much information as possible to further validate much of the design and technology that will later be transferred and integrated into MIURA 5.

>>15792239
a lot of similar words to english

>>15792215
Why the fuck won't they share their secrets

>>15792159
Please think of all the jobs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miura_5
the actual orbital rocket that Miura-1 is a demonstrator for, 900kg to LEO vs 300kg for Electron for instance

>>15792240
It's a (reusable!) sounding rocket that's testing tech for their upcoming smallsat launcher

>>15792252
pssh everyone puts a parachute on their model rocket

> Where are the Spaceplanes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk16En1qqEY

>>15792262
they're in HELL where they belong

>>15792262
landed one in KSP the other day

no countdown anymore? did it scrub?
the fuck

>>15792264
that is the ugliest possible spaceplane, you make me sick
don't make me boot up KSP to show you up

>>15792265
we are so back.
t- 56m

Hold for 55 minutes?

>>15792270
>>15792272
It's 2 hours
Can't you see the red text?

>>15792218
>weird clammy hands
Muskrats cannot recover from this

>>15792273
oh shit

>>15792274
well he was a lot fatter a few years ago than he is now

>>15792279
Idk he's bloated pretty bad again

SCRUUUUUB

>>15792273
>expected liftoff time
>2:03:14 am
it is currently 1:40 am over there, so only a another twenty minutes

>>15792112
Anyone got the "Boring Company tunnels will only reach halfway around Mars by 2050" meme?

>>15792281
bloatmaxxing
Just wait until the cut

They sped up the count, lmao

>>15792298
GO FEVER

>>15792215
>sharks are older than Polaris
sharks are older than grasses

>>15791816
Then why won't they launch on Falcon 9?

God damn, we're so lucky we have SpaceX

>>15792262
in space, duh silly

>>15792225
it looks like we're go for a launch

nice shot

>HOLD

The rocket farted

>>15792316
Vamos again

why are small launchers such PUSSIES

FTS armado

2 minutes

ay carambe

what are they saying

>>15792334
>kzzzt kzzrchtzzz zzzvchzz

>>15792333

It appears we are going (to suborbit)

ol' sparky

>>15792112
What causes people to get EDS? Is it just consumption of manistream media and jealousy?

>>15791506
>Article about orbital reef
>picture of axiom
Wut?

jesus fucking christ

>>15792338
nominal

VAMOS MIURA!

Best mission control

>>15792346
wtf

>open stream
>stage sep
>yelling, cheering, clapping at max volume
>brief silence
>"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
>brief silence

The fuck is going on there

>>15792352
women oragasming on air

Now I want to see more Spanish launches.

>>15792352
It's traditional for Spaniards to ritual devour a headset in mission control to honor a successful launch

>>15792112

>>15792354

>>15792351
soul

>>15792342
Desire to be able to "Um actually..." at people.
Everyone likes to believe that they are smart and informed, that they have access to hidden information that most people are lacking and being able to contradict things the majority believe I is even more tantalizing. Elon is a well known public figure and because most of his endeavors are in the science and tech sectors the common perception is that he is a genius, by being able to smugly proclaim otherwise or to claim he is a bad guy regardless of accuracy satisfies this desire for them.

Was there a deck of cards on top of the payload?

>>15792378
Yup, 0 g indicator.

>>15792342
leftoids who are told what to think were told Space Man Bad after he bought twitter

>>15792378
employee photographs

>>15792342
Years of Tesla/SpaceX FUD from the very start, Elon's cavalier twitter posting never diminished as his profile rose and he rubbed people the wrong way, FUD ramped up massively during 2016-2018, Trump mind broke liberals, his COVID hot takes directly defied democrat messaging, Trump's out of office left a media ratings void that was filled somewhat by Elon's antics, and of course the commie left always hates the world's richest man. he doesnt toe the liberal line at all.
funny thing, enoughmuskspam as a subreddit was spawned directly as a result of most redditor's nonstop sucking elon's balls for years, so there is an amount of counterculture/contrarianism. everyone wants to feel smarter than the man in the ring

>>15792359
The promise of a mars colony, much like the eyes of a bat, is a deceptively functional concept that doesn’t actually work all that well in practice

>>15792378
>>15792385
That was nice, everyone cheered.

>>15792391
we don't know before trying

>>15792262
Playing KSP with RSS crushed my dreams of spaceplaces. It really fucking ruined it for me. I don't think I'll ever recover my interest in space ever again. Wish I'd never found out about space. What a waste.

Civilian video of the launch is starting to get posted. This one is from Matalascañas, about 30 km away.

>>15792373
https://twitter.com/Mister_Danyer/status/1710455220533162442
Local crowds were also quite enthusiastic. We need more Spanish spaceflight.

>>15792405
https://twitter.com/RLCorralesG_5/status/1710452025702416716
https://twitter.com/Parcival_vt/status/1710451672592294025

The spanish actually becoming a space power in Europe wasn't something I expected
I guess they weren't the first private launcher in Europe? and this was a suborbital test

Vega bros? 15 min for stream start.

>>15791995
redwire is going ok at least

>>15792429
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjOy_RuwPeA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjOy_RuwPeA

Time for another explosion, SRB chads

>>15792424
PLD space is still a mess internally, but they have good PR, and they were created early enough that they are among the first to launch *something*, Miura 5 will come after Isar, Orbex or RFA's launchers

Fun fact: There has already been one (1) orbital launch from Spain.

https://spaceflightnow.com/launchschedule/vega-theos-2-formosat-7r-triton/
> Arianespace will launch a Vega rocket, designated VV23, sending a collection of 12 satellites into a sun-synchronous orbit. The main payload is the THailand Earth Observation System-2 (THEOS-2), which is an Earth-observing satellite built by Airbus Defense and Space on behalf of the Kingdom of Thailand. It’s designed to complement THEOS-1, which launched in 20008. The secondary payload is FORMOSAT-7R/TRITON, which was developed by the Taiwanese Space Agency (TASA). It’s Global Navigation Satellite System-Reflectometry (GNSS-R) tool will help meteorologists gather wind data over oceans to help with forecasting the trajectory and intensity of typhoons.

https://everydayastronaut.com/theos-2-triton-others-vega/

>>15792438
Italy falls, Spain rises

>>15792443
>shit we don't trust our rocket
>let's put all the gook sats on it
kek

>>15792342
It's the midwit's need to reassure itself that it is "smart" because it knows "facts", becoming the regurgitation of rebbit echo chamber seethes, and other deboonker vomit. It must be true and factual if everybody else is saying it!

oh nooooooo

> Vega Rocket
>Arianespace considers Vega to be its small-lift rocket. Vega sits alongside its siblings, the heavy lift Ariane V and medium lift Soyuz. The rocket’s name comes from the brightest star in the constellation of Lyra. It consists of three solid motor stages with a liquid propellant upper stage on top, making four stages in total.
>Built by the Italian aerospace company Avio, the rocket is 30 m (98 ft) tall overall, and has a diameter of 3.0 m (~10 ft) at its widest section. Its mass at time of launch is 137,000 kg (302,000 lbs). It can deploy a payload mass of 1,430 kg (3,150 lbs) to a polar orbit of 700 km altitude with 90° inclination.
>Vega has had one launch failure (VV15) in 2019 and another (VV17) in 2020. The anomaly on VV15 was found to most likely be due to a thermo-structural failure in the forward dome area of the Z23 motor. The failure on VV17 was confirmed in December 2020 to be due to incorrectly connected cables in the rocket’s AVUM upper stage.

>>15792347
>miura

>>15792451
what were the problems? SRB?

>>15792458
Major design flaws in the second stage.

>>15792424
Could have happened in the 70s. That project was named Capricornio. I think it used some Castor SRBs in later designs.
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capricornio_(rocket)

It was shelved in the 90s by defence after bong pressures (and likely bribes).

The italians persevered and they got what today is Vega. It pisses me because they lost a war and got invaded by murica, while spanish politicians sold themselves voluntarily.

>>15792451
>Ranzo became CEO in late 2015
>Went public in mid-2017
>Starting from early 2018, Arianespace delegated the entire processing of the Vega to Avio up to T-0, previously Arianespace handled the rocket prior to launch.

ELON IS LIVE

>>15792458
A second stage design/manufacturing error on the second stage, an assembly error on the AVUM kickstage, and the most recent was an issue with the lining of the second stage nozzle.

>>15792466
*was

>>15792387
>funny thing, enoughmuskspam as a subreddit was spawned directly as a result of most redditor's nonstop sucking elon's balls for years
It's both funny and sad just how easily corralled redditors are. Back when he was "wow epic irl iron man!" they loved him but as soon as they were told to hate him they flipped on a dime. Yet despite that they still act like everyone on reddit loves Elon and that they're the counterculture.

>>15792435
>>15792437
live commentary on

>>15792478
Israel

why do the French sound so French?

>>15792478
>"Tonight, we are going to remind the world that--technically--we still have rockets."

>>15792483
hon hon hon oui oui monsoir, baguette omelet hon hon

>>15792478
Im so tired of this incompetent asshole

>All of these rocket launches
Spaceflight is ALIVE

>>15792508
>All of these rocket launches
and yet

Musk testing streaming

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1710466583766696108

What is the point of launching with esa from Kourou if it is a polar launch?

>>15792511
Well, when you've got the equivalent of a reusable Atlas V 541 and can mass-produce your primary payload you're going to pull some impressive numbers.

>>15792515
Arianespace would have to rent a launch site from the British to do it closer to home and you know how the French are.

>>15792515
>No other spaceport
>Vega's booster is fuelled at kourou, it's not jsut assembly and launch, but part of production is there
>The penalty for launching to polar orbits from equator is not huge
>Kourou enables a wide range of inclination, even to polar orbits

>>15792513
>"Thanks for giving me money"
I can't believe Elon himself fell for the twitch streamer meme

>>15792511
>the russians are launching as much as China
How comes? What are they launching other than a Soyuz or two?

>>15792518
Also, launches to GEO were the big thing back in the 70s and 80s, and getting a more equatorial site would give you a payload advantage over more northerly competition.

>>15792519
Yeah no shit.
But why US ally Thailand would hire european services?

SCRUB

HOLD HOLD HOLD

>>15792530
Probably because the satellite was built by Airbus.

c'est fini

>>15792530
Thailand hates America for what they did in ukraine

ITS OVER

>>15792530
It's cheaper than a Falcon 9?

Launchpad shat itself. See you in 2024. Merci.

>>15792515
Kourou is ESA's only spaceport. There is no penalty for doing a polar launch from there outside of the inherent losses a polar launch incurs.

hold/scrub

>>15792539
silence, zigger

>>15792530
Vega actually, very theoretically, hold/held a niche of being western, being available, being large enough to launch actual satellites to SSO and not just smallsats, and being cheaper than an individual F9 launch.

Sadly, it has a terrible reliability since 2019, but that's why it has kept gaining contracts despite the F9 dominance.

lol 250k viewers on the stream

>>15792541
Any smallsat company could have matched esa's price.
Also these contracts are rarely decided by price alone.
Maybe the burgers are intentionally leaving europoors the crumbs.

>>15792525
Bogdan has to go up to manually replace the tape recorder in the spy satelite

>>15792541
Falcon 9 is no cheaper than any other rocket in its class.

>>15792557
But if it was muh sicret payloads they probably wont be shown in that chart.

>>15792563
The only rocket of "its class" that ever truly compared to F9 in cost was 90s/early 2000s proton, which was dirt cheap thanks to astronomically low Russian labour cost and Lockheed dumping

>>15792525
China has been slacking off this year

Red status bros… we are so back

>>15792551
Clear somehow knew this would be a scrub and decided to go to sleep after the Atlas launch.

>>15792518
Arianespace does not have a launch cadence to need more than one spaceport and even if they did the cost, regulation and inclination make UK spaceports vastly inferior.

>>15792551
>400k now. It seems to be increasing at a very steady rate so I wonder if they're just adding fake viewers until it crashes just to stress test it

>>15792570
What? nextspaceflight is literally all f9 and long march week after week.

>>15792563
SpaceX isn't selling Falcon 9 any cheaper than any other rocket in its class, for obvious reasons. Falcon 9 costs much less than every other rocket in its class.

>>15792563
Falcon 9 is dominating the market because it is cheaper and more reliable than every other rocket in its class.

>>15792586
>>15792570
China is launching a lot of small sats, they haven't launched any space station segments or Moon/Mars landers this year. That is why their mass to orbit is similar to Russia's despite having so many more launches.

>524K just for some dumb Diablo game

>>15792551
600k

>630k

Working hard on rockets I see

>>15792612
It's kinda nice listening to him as background noise

>712K

https://twitter.com/deltaIV9250/status/1710379936827990437

lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1plPyJdXKIY

Why does he love regulations so much?

>>15792651
the beetles must be protected

>920k and climbing
>ends stream before 1m

920K watching concurrently. Insane. Easily in the top 10 twitch all time streamers record. And this was just a random test too.

>>15792660
is it concurrent or unique views?

>>15792660
I feel like it's probably an engineering test and they're just loading up "fake" viewers to see how much it can handle but if it's actually all real people that's pretty cool. I don't think he has said anything though.

>>15792664
Concurrent. The number drops when someone drops the feed, so it only counts the people with active window

>>15791724
star trek magic

Just saw a long string of satellites in the western skies. Do you think that is Bezos? Or starlink? I am in Southern Michigan.

>>15792680
It could only be Starlink.

>>15792680
>Do you think that is Bezos?
ha ha

Will they make it?

>>15792714
They have to, the plume impingement experiment on the bottom is how they know how fucked they are if HLS needs to use its Raptors

Remember to buy off topic faggots vacation tickets back to where they came from.

>>15792563
falcon 9 doesn't exist

>https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1710505514071683542
>4K in a month or two
Too bad Starship will have already launched by then... r-right?

>>15792365
why does PLD space have so many cutie pies

>>15792809
1
3
5
D
A
Y
S

>China No.1

>>15792841
>South Korea 1
You'd think they'd be all in on getting their rocket going

>>15792111
You need Mars orbit, Venus orbit, and Earth-Sun L4/L5 for constant connectivity.

>>15792525
>8000 = 31000
?