/sci/ - Science & Math

"green tech" is intended to be harmful and destructive

>>15759625
>but use electric hydrogen cells instead
still need at least half of battery pack even with that, you monster-faggot. just stop having ideas, or thinking.

>>15761141
This, drop the cells. just use hydrogen.

>>15761150
no bro that's retarded, way less efficient, more expensive and pollutes more overall, since it's less efficient and all that. it can't technically cost less and pollute less you see? because any source of hydrogen you can imagine will cost you electricity, if you find a sustainable hydrogen source, such as fucking water. you can take that initial electricity you use to break down water and like power the car through batteries which are VERY recyclable happens already:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2xrarUWVRQ

>>15759625
true. elon is retarded when it comes to power. I don't get it. The solar and batteries combo is the biggest scam in 'green' energy, provabky worse than even wind turbines. Nuclear fission is obviously the best and the single future power source, which doesn't require batteries since you can have continuous operation. Solar is a neat little gimmick but it will work even worse on Mars than it does here. Mars has plenty of deuterium and will have a 100% nuclear powered economy from the moment go if colonisation ever happens.

>>15759625
Everyone who is pro "green" tech is anti-nuclear. If they cared about the environment and clean energy they would be pro nuclear.

>>15761700
>If they cared about the environment
they don't
they're all dishonest conscienceless people who don't mind inventing excuses to demand resources and wealth from everyone else.

>>15761141
>>15761150
>>15761165
retard normie #12511 charges their battery at random times in the middle of a congested area.

that's expensive.

cheap is to have a nuclear plant producing hydrogen in a controlled manner or any other random energy source at design times and not when any retard wants to pull it from the grid.

>>15761829
So? Cars have computers in them. Include a copy of your contract with your power company and the car can automatically charge itself when power is cheapest. Just plug it in at night. The program would be simple to write and you could even have it charge your car when electricity if cheapest and sell it when it's most expensive which reduces both your power bills and the energy demand of the entire grid. All you have to do is plug it in when you're not driving it.

>>15762816
you are a child. elon and you simps always assume cars are for people using them for 2 hours a day.

what about all the retards and professionations using them for 80% of their working day with no time to "charge with a computer at randomly conveniently-cheap times" (lol...)?

>>15759625
>Elon
Mainstream Li batteries are like...20 years old

>>15762816
you are a child. elon and you simps always assume cars are for people using them for 2 hours a day; what about all the hobbyists and professionals using them for 80% of their working day; what about all the retards forgetting to charge them.

and worst of all: your moronic simps of shit don't even get not everyone in the world has a reserved parking spot you nepo babies.

>>15761829
>cheap is to have a nuclear plant producing
electricity which you use to power the car. cheaper, less pollution than using said nuclear plant electricity to break down water.
it really makes no sense no matter your mental gymnastics.

>>15761138
Anything described as "green" ought to be avoided, as well as anything described as "smart".

>>15764048
You're very green.

>>15764061
Rude

>>15759625
oh look another TRANNY who thinks he's smarter than the smartest man live Elon Chungus Musk topkek
go pay the man the checkmark fee and join the based club maybe you'll learn something before you ack yourself

>>15759625
>hourly coal&oil shill thread

>>15764113
>threadly green shill bot

>>15764033
>you are a child.
The irony

> elon and you simps always assume cars are for people using them for 2 hours a day;
So the vast majority of people

>what about all the hobbyists and professionals using them for 80% of their working day;
So a small minority of people.

>what about all the retards forgetting to charge them.
What about all the retards who forget to get gas? Who cares?

>and worst of all: your moronic simps of shit don't even get not everyone in the world has a reserved parking spot you nepo babies.
When have you ever had trouble finding a spot to park at work? Are you a Jimmy John's driver or something? Parking is a non-issue. If parking lots were required to have solar shades then it would be trivial to equip each spot with a charging interface as well. Your car stays cooler, electric cars can be charged or used as grid storage, the owner of that parking lot gets a smaller power bill, the city gets more power, and the air is cleaner. It's better for everyone even if 1% (or whatever) of the cars on the road still use gas or diesel.

>>15764113

>>15764141
>>15764690
calling out BP's goons again

>>15764694
>ITS A CONSPIRACY!!!

>>15759625
Have you tried killing yourself?

>>15759625
Battery at best is a short term solution and in no way is viable at global scale. It's a fucking waste of time in the long run.

https://www.unep.org/unep-50-leaders-through-years/maurice-strong

>Maurice Strong played a unique and critical role in globalizing the environmental movement. He led the historic United Nations Conference on the Human Environment
>it resulted in the founding of the UN Environment Programme (UNEP)
>Six months later, he was elected by the UN General Assembly to become UNEP’s first Executive Director
>In June 1992, he led another landmark meeting: the UN Conference on Environment and Development
>The conference addressed climate change and underscored the right to sustainable development

>Mr. Strong’s other notable appointments included:
>Under-Secretary-General and Special Advisor to the UN Secretary-General,
>Senior Advisor to the President of the World Bank
>Foundation Board member of the World Economic Forum
>He also had an expansive career in the private sector, where he led some of Canada’s most prestigious energy companies.

According to the UN green shill department, greentard ideology was established and globalized by a literal oil executive/bankster/WEF founder. What gives?

>>15759625
>t. normgroid who sucks bill gates's microsoft and by the transitive also that retard slav vaclav smil's

>>15766359
>Have you tried killing yourself?

>>15766431
>greentard ideology was established and globalized by a literal oil executive/bankster/WEF founder. What gives?
controlled opposition? if you don't do it someone else will do it and you'll have no control over it. amazing people are falling for it lol.

Elon simps are gay. Best is diesel hybrid.

>>15761700
If you want power in under 10 years, nuclear is not an option. If you want power in under 25 years, gen4 is not an option. I’d love to like nuclear, but from a technical perspective it just isn’t the solution to our problems today. Bad decisions decades ago don’t mean we should make further bad decisions.

>>15764240
Cartards have been pretty quiet since this post dropped

>>15764240
>>15767185
nah you were just too inane to care. e.g. you assume everyone on the planet is a nepo baby like you with a complex garage that would have high power charging.

e.g. here in greece 80%+ of people would have no garages and I doubt even UK has that many garages for most of the citizens.

>>15767192
PS UK has practically none. most people live in these little two-storey houses with a tiny garden. charging cars there is a laughable suggestion.

>>15767192
>>15767194
>Average goatfucker doesn't understand that parking spaces exist in girst world countries
Go back to riding a donkey for three hours to top up your mobile data you glorified third world street shitter

>>15767117
>controlled opposition? if you don't do it someone else will do it and you'll have no control over it. amazing people are falling for it lol.
Show me another case of preemptive controlled opposition in the form of a global mega-enterprise that ends up infesting the key institutions of every first world nation.

>>15767290
bot

>>15767192
>here in greece
Opinion discarded. You can't imagine any improvement to society because your government needs to be rescued every couple years. Move to a functional country.

>>15767707
shut up nepo. no country can sustain elon simps' fantasy.

check if your country's capital center has garages for every house car for example.

>>15767973
PS and even if it did, it's still an inefficient scam in terms of energy control. it's multiple times better to produce hydrogen at remote places and controlled times and it's better to promote public transportation.

>>15767973
>>15767975
You can't imagine any country sustaining anything because you've been watching your government fail all your life. If you ever move to a functional country then you'll learn that the government declaring bankruptcy twice a year really isn't normal.

>>15767089
You shouldn’t film your reaction and post it online, Anon

>>15767983
> my racism is enough for any argument
sorry kid, this is /sci/.

>>15768039
>racism
you're retarded

>>15768039
>He thinks jingoism is racism
Lol I can't say I'm surprised they don't have education in Greece.

>>15759625
Electric cars are garbage

They don't have the fraction of the range of a normal car and stupid shit like a morning being too cold will make the range drop by 50 miles.

Not even mentioning the safety aspects of batteries, theres too many people who think this retardation is somehow "the future"

>>15768052
>>15768054
google social racism kid

>>15768096
they could be electric, ...on the motor only/mainly because it has good torque and efficiency.

the japanese are smart investing in electric hydrogen cells.

>>15762816
No thanks.

>>15759625
It has more to do with movement restriction and less to do with climate. Having said that, battery driven vehicles can be used for logistics purpose in densely populated or crowded cities to keep the pollution level and temperature down.

>>15761700
This is how I know climate change is a scam. If greenies actually cared we would already be planning a full nuclear future

>>15768431
>This is how I know climate change is a scam. If greenies actually cared
Climate change is real and greenies don't actually care.
Activists never actually care

>>15767447
Not everyone who disagrees with you is a bot you schizoid

>>15768193
>Damage Control: The Post

>>15769056
> I destroyed your argument
> because.. because.. of societal racism ok?

have your own personality and not just your nazi personality kid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Societal_racism

>>15768096
>They don't have the fraction of the range of a normal car
Normal cars have infinite range, stopping at a gas station for 5 minutes after 6 hours of continuous driving doesn't reduce range substantially. Needing to park the car for hours to charge it after driving it for 3 hours does reduce range by an enormous percentage.

>>15769529
Did you read that page, retard? Me making fun of your government isn't racism or societal racism. It has nothing to do with race. Greece must have worse schools than I thought if you're the end result. Maybe ask the EU for another couple trillion so you can gain literacy.

>>15771009
>imagine being this retarded

>>15759625
Synth fuel is simply better because the oxygen in the air is free

>>15768193
>google
glownigger.com
>wikipedia
glownigger.org

>>15759625
If only we went the wood gassification path.
https://youtu.be/AyTqo4mCUUY?si=32gmwJT3-G9TLhvm

>>15759625
Parroting Bill Gates's parroting of that slav coot Vaclav Smil's demented ramblings. Also trannycase.

>>15759625
>Parroting Bill Gates's parroting of that slav coot Vaclav Smil's demented ramblings.
Also written in trannycase.

>>15764240
>every single tradesman who built the world around you
>smallminorityofpeople.bat

>>15773170
shut up nazi

>>15771009
this, electric cars are garbage unless the only thing you do with it is local errands and commuting to work and back.

>>15773356
Yes. Learn how to read statistics.

>>15771009
If you're doing cross country driving then a gas car doing the speed limit will travel further in the same amount of time than an electric car doing the speed limit because of the long charge times.
EVs are a slower form of transportation, they are substantially worse vehicles than gas powered cars because of that

>>15773594
perfect vehicle to keep people trapped in a 15 minute city

>>15759625
>hydrog-ACK

>>15773142
It is possible, but only for a select few who want to make and process their own wood, make a retort, know how to weld, build a filter, get an appropriate car, have storage for wood etc. While I think its very cool, its only good for those willing to pour in the time and energy into it. Its also pretty inconvenient process overall, but I like gasifiers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ag6LoqcVsM

>>15775567
Wrong argument retard.
ICE depends on the state way more than EVs
Youre taking oil and gas infrastructure for granite

>>15774909
Not for long, there are already cars on the market that can charge at 300 kW. The advantage of ICE over EVs in terms of refueling times is shrinking fast.

>>15775999
Trips of truth

>>15759625
>the japs as smarter when they keep the advantages of the electric motor, but use electric hydrogen cells instead.
Hydrogen is a meme and will always be a meme

>>15776214
This. It's just a battery with none of the advantages of a battery and all of the disadvantages of rocket fuel.

>>15776214
>>15776217
shut up elon simps. batteries die within ~2 years of heavy usage (look at your phones lol..).

hydrogen cells last forever.

>>15776518
So? They're incredibly expensive and you lose a bunch of energy just producing the hydrogen. Nevermind the energy you need to safely compress, transport, and distribute the hydrogen. Power lines and batteries are superior.

>>15776566
>incredibly expensive
because you simps only buy trashy batteries <current year>

>>15776620
Cope harder, retard. Your car will never be powered by a hydrogen fuel cell.

>>15777302
you shouldn't even be driving a car you nazi piece of shit, you should be on a bus and not kill the planet.

>>15777333
Then improve public transportation. Infrastructure has not improved in the US since WWII.

>>15759625
>elon and his cock-sucking simps have convinced all the normies
Not elon but those shitty nicotine barrons and their cock sucking chinese slaves who have filled up the west with millions of disposable single use vapes that are so popular among cocksucking boomers and zoomers, now wherever you go the streets are littered with this discarded filth. Every druggie on this earth should be fucking loaded up on space barges and sent towards the sun, bathing them in sun coronal mass is the only way to remove this degenate filth known as druggies and reliably recycle and cleanse the atoms that effectively make them up, so maybe in another billions years they can again become some sort lifeform that won't carry their druggie degenerate habits anymore

>>15775999
>The advantage of ICE over EVs in terms of refueling times is shrinking fast.
so you're saying real cars have a massive advantage over the electric goyslop and that all the electric cars and all of their charging infrastructure will have to be junked and replaced in the future if and when they get to parity with real cars.

>>15779199
Almost. He's saying that soon all the infrastructure for ICEs will need to be junked.

>>15775652
>batteries never explode

>>15768096
>theres too many people who think this retardation is somehow "the future"
50% of all people are below average IQ

>>15779340
>two weeks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_NLNr5EL7o

>>15775652
It could be done better nowadays

>>15781347
Maybe you can get a job as a tour guide for ghost gas stations.

>>15768193
those guys are simos, but I really do hate the greek race. bunch of hairy homos if you ask me. last good thing they did was shatter Alex's empire.

>>15773170
What?

https://www.the-sun.com/news/9198363/explosion-ev-batteries-airport-uzbekistan/

>Huge explosion of EV batteries rips through airport killing boy, 15, & injuring 163 in blast felt for 20 miles

>A BOY of 15 has been killed in a giant explosion feared to have been triggered by detonating electric car batteries.

>At least 163 were also injured following the huge blast in a customs warehouse near Tashkent Airport in Uzbekistan in the early hours, which was felt up to 20 miles away.

>Shocking footage shows the explosion at 2.43am local time, which caused damage to hundreds of houses and other buildings over a vast area.

>Batteries for electric cars exploded at the airport warehouse, it is understood.

>Dozens of ambulances ferried the wounded to hospitals and at least five children suffered wounds from shattered glass.

>A 15-year-old boy died after a frame collapsed on his head due to the explosion.

Global warming hysterics are responsible for this tragedy

>>15782797
Are you going to ignore all of the other industrial explosions? The fertilizer factories, firework factories, munitions plants, refineries, ect. that have exploded and killed hundreds of thousands at a time? Why aren't you calling for a ban on fertilizer, fireworks, munitions, or fossil fuels?

>>15782829
>hundreds of thousands
or*

>>15782829

>>15782451
Typing in lower case makes you a tranny, as does criticizing Elon Musk, climate change politics, and useless "green" power sources.

>>15761691
Elon is pro nuclear too, but I'm sure he's not interested in doing it himself because of the insane costs and red tape involved in that industry.

>>15783807
You have proven that your morals are negotiable. Your outrage is manufactured.

>>15783863
dude is just a battery salesman

>>15773142
>>15775793
I did the math and wood biofuel(and wood gassifiers as a subclass) is not a viable alternative to solar. The netto amount of power you harvest from a square meter is abysmal. You'd need a huge farm to power a single homestead. Only countries like Russia and maybe Canada could pull this off, but they already have oil.

It's very low tech and very renewable however.

>>15785292
Biofuels are better used for carbon sequestration and mitigation by turning them into biochar. The biomass is charred to charcoal and then added to a compost pile, fed to livestock, or otherwise "charged" with microbes and nutrients, for example by soaking it in compost tea for a week. In compost piles, at about 5-20% by weight, it helps reduce the methane, nitrous oxide, and leachate produced by the pile while increasing the aeration and the temperature of the pile. As feed supplement for livestock or pets, at about 1-2% of the feed weight, it improves digestion and absorbs toxins while reducing fecal odor, ammonia, and methane produced by the animal. The charged biochar is used as a soil amendment which increases the water infiltration and holding capacity, root penetration, microbe activity, and cation exchange capacity while acting as a slow release fertilizer. If you can't make your own charcoal then you can buy lump charcoal to crush and use in the same way.

>>15764033
>>15764240
I forgot to get gas for my car, thanks for reminding me lol

>>15759625
>use electric hydrogen cells instead
You think batteries are inefficient compared to fuel cells? Fuel cells won't even last 2 years. They're way more expensive and delicate than batteries. And then you have to produce, store, and transport hydrogen. Yeah, sounds way better.

>>15776518
>hydrogen cells last forever.
They absolutely do not. They crap out even faster than batteries.

>>15786065
>delicate
source: butt

>>15786068
>They crap out even faster
source: butt

>>15786159
>>15786161
The catalysts poison easily and the NaFion membranes eventually degrade. In "harsh" (normal) conditions they degrade even faster.

I just looked this up and there has been a breakthrough! A new design can last up to 200 hours without degradation of performance!

https://scitechdaily.com/worlds-most-durable-hydrogen-fuel-cell-paves-way-for-wider-application-of-green-energy/

>>15764023
And how old do you think Elon is? Retard

>>15786186
everything in any tech degrades from the 1st second brainlet.

>>15759625
>>15771838
Guys just make a battery that uses oxygen