/sci/ - Science & Math

Only a complete moron would trust those rankings.

>>15759087
>Only a complete moron
that accurately describes just about every university student

>>15759084
I mean they are right to infer that education is a power structure. But it naturally follows that the power structures in the dominant nation will be the best on that basis alone. This is what Russia does. They are this tiny thing that tries to be dominant through clever remarks, but the impact of these little arguments is dust compared the America's internal interests.

>>15759084
All I'll say is if a university is charging every student $75-130k for a four year degree and all those students aren't making that out the gate?

You bet your sweet ass they're overrated.

>>15759084
Brain drain is a real thing, but the rest is mostly cope.

yeah let's listen to whatever anti-Western thing the spy chief of Russia babbled

>>15759627
You should listen, but you won't because of arrogant preconceptions. Such notions that lead you to believe Ukraine is losing, that ultimately you will have to contend with or delude yourself into explaining away.

>>15759726
Pardon, *isn't losing.

>>15759084
What does he mean "the west?" Is every single country east of belarus fudging their numbers? Why wouldn't each of them fudge them in their own favor then?
And why wouldn't the east do the same?

>>15759751
leftoids and rightoids pro russians are so braindead.

>>15759084
Private universities are overpriced paper mills for people who weren't good enough to get into their state's flagship public schools.
Degrees from public universities/state schools are both substantially less expensive as well as more prestigious.

>>15759084
OH MY ELON IS THAT THE HEAD OF THE RUSSIAN GLOWIES?? YESSIR I'M THINKING BASED AND REDPILLED. Z AND Q.

>>15759084
Yes but it doesn't matter because rankings is the point of university so rank 1 is by definition rank 1

>>15760820
Pretty sure everyone enrolled at Emory could get into UGA if they wanted.

>>15759729
kekking hard at this shill's freudian slip

>>15759084
This nigger is seething over the massive brain drain that Russia suffers from kek.

>>15759084
yes

>>15759084
George W. Bush graduated from Yake and got a MBA from Harvard. Think about it.

>>15761704
Pretending to be too dumb to be responsible for your criminal schemes is a classic M.O. of criminal schemers, especially in politics.

>>15761704
Hunter Biden is a Yale graduate too.
Now name some of the famous scientists who graduated from Yale. Do it without looking it up on a search engine. Thats right you can't name any

>>15759084
It's true, the West has the unfair advantage of not being a shithole every smart person wants to escape

>>15759084
>African
coincidentally where russia has shifted its goals to

>>15759729
too late. it's trench duty for you.

>>15759084
Absolutely

>>15759084
Yes. They dont take into account of SAT/math/science test scores anymore. Its equitable scoring now.

>>15759084
>pls stop accepting our brightest and most gifted students so they can have a better life
lol get rekt. We should be ramping up our brain drain programs so we can take even more. The only ones that will be left in your home are the dregs of society.

>Are US university rankings overrated?
It depends on the field but in general, domestically? Yes, unquestionably yes. In engineering, one school is pretty much equivalent to another as long as it is accredited for bachelor's and even master's. It's only when you get to PhD that it makes a difference. In law and accounting? My impression is that it's just a way for people to look down on others.

>>15765972
Who's "we"? Migrants are imported to lower your salaries and stoke housing costs. Not for any of the dumb "civic nationalist" cope reasons you are imagining.

Oh. And they steal your IP while pumping money out through remittance. So they're not "brain draining" thirdies. Just giving them free tech and money.

>>15759084
Yes, just rank them by the IQ distribution they have.

The universities themselves don't even exist, they're just corporate abstract entities useful for accumulating money.

Given how much money is at stake with the rankings, it seems like anyone would have to be stupid to trust that they're accurate. The highest ranking schools are inevitably the ones that are best at bribery and manipulation, not at teaching academic pursuits.

>>15759084
Idk he haven't seen the universities in third-world countries and he'll see why people from there wanted to go to Ivy League unis.

I think this Russky is just trolling at this point to see who would believe it

>>15766722
Then why require a high grade to be accepted from the uni? Why is the acceptance rate low? If they want money they can just say they're good unis and make your dumb kids smart

Correct me if I'm wrong, correct me if I'm wrong

>>15759084
Maybe Russia should pay its scientists more money so they dont go work abroad? Is this such a hard concept?
People will say "uh you canyt because Russia is poor". But Russia is happy buying and selling things at international prices. Food, cars, houses are not cheaper in russia than abroad, only labor is cheaper, therefore everyone is poor except for some class in Moscow.
Russians are just self destructive and sabotage themselves, at a national level, at an individual level (thorough alcohol) and at an intelectual level they have made nihilistic philosophies to justify it.
Russians say shit like "its noble to die for the motherland". Nigga when you die you die! Its pure self destruction

>>15766729
>Idk he haven't seen the universities in third-world countries and he'll see why people from there wanted to go to Ivy League unis.
At undergrad level theres not much difference, just like any gym is just as good when you are a novice. Top universities are only the top at cutting edge research, they are not the top at teaching differential calculus

>>15759751
>what does he mean by the west?
Those who votes that the war in ukraine was initiated by russia.
>Is every single country east of belarus fudging their numbers?
I think its pretty clear that he talks about the majority of the unis. For example, would you think that harvard is better than some US catholic college that offers free tuition if you are good enough?
>Why wouldn't each of them fudge them in their own favor then?
Because you need to pay for the PR and the corruption.
>Why wouldnt the east do the same
The question isnt why, the question is if they actually do it. And as you know noone claims that the eastern universities are top notch, even if russia and china has a very prominent research sector, so it must be that they dont fudge the numbers. Everyone that says "they dont fudge the numbers because X" is either a glowie or he is just guessing, because noone knows.

>>15766733
>Then why require a high grade to be accepted from the uni?
So that only rich people get accepted
>Why is the acceptance rate low?
So that only rich people get accepted

>>15768074
But not only rich people are accepted

>>15768003
>Maybe Russia should pay its scientists more money so they dont go work abroad?
This nigga thinks its the scientists who go to america to study. Fucking kek, my boy. Those who go to harvard are all the sons and daughters of those who knew USSR's law and were able to buy all the land during the privatization, so now those people send all their sons to study business so they can do something with their money. Just google any kid from any russian politician and they will either study STEM stuff in russia (daughter of putin), or business in harvard (lavrov's daughter)

>>15768089
Only rich people get accepted anon. Affirmative action worked only for dumb rich niggers, who could afford a good school.

It's just Russians trying to ragebait third-worlders into supporting their anti-West coalition now that they're a pariah state and have nothing to lose with their West relations anymore.

>>15768115
Studying is one thing and working as a researcher is another. You absolutely get scientists moving abroad because there's just so much to be gained. Personal salary is one thing, but the funds available for use in research are also on a different order of magnitude. How this is related to the topic at hand is that the top researchers are the ones producing the top research which at the end of the day is the measure of a university's research quality.

To a lesser extent the same applies to most of Europe in comparison to America.

>>15759084
>Are US university rankings overrated?
Definitely. When your rankings include aspects like diversity of staff, diversity of students, international students, international staff, etc., it's quite obvious that the ranking is complete and total bullshit.

>>15759084
Never step in one, read all your life, do field research and invent things just for the sake of it

Then walk into a university and watch the lack of respect you get

>>15768089
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_fencing_scandal_of_2020

Wikipedia renamed the Harvard bribery scandal to "fencing scandal" to make it sound like Harvard doesn't require a $500,000 bribe from daddy for matriculation

>>15768919
reminds me how they gave "the replication crisis" a PC name to avoid talking about what it really is, which is outright fraud

>>15769704
"American gun violence"
"Nigger violence"

>>15759084
Like globally? Probably not overrated desu. Most the world doesn't try at all. It's not hard to be top. America became a global hegemon on accident. You can get top ranks if you just try a little. I think Mexico and brazil are in the top 10 - 15 economies.. Even if you put in very little effort you're already doing more than 99% of the world.

>>15761704
is there students learning?

>>15769743
Mexico is top ten economies purely by the amount of trade they do with the u.s.

They are 74 out of 200. Ouch. Thats literally below all of europe and all of rice asia, and below several war torn countries without plumbing, suffering daily bombings.

to a certain extent yeah, a lot of hypercompetitive places are overrated, but you probably should also shoot higher than average on the rankings list

>>15759084
they are overrated but those talented people would go there anyways because of money.

>>15770080
How about talented people dont need to go anywhere to get "legal proof" they are more retarded than a twerking nigger?

>>15759084
Only a complete moron would trust those /pol/tard propaganda

Video shows how smart and well educated the graduates of the highest ranking universities truly are
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3un_VbXVefk

>>15759084
I’m my experience people matter more than institutions. Someone at Harvard with mediocre research impact isn’t nearly as impressive as someone in Kansas who’s considered a rockstar by the research community.

>>15759084
don’t russians bash their nerds?

>>15759726
>listen to the guy who’s job it is to gaslight and manipulate you or else your arrogant westoid
This russia vs ukraine shit really got the russia apologists on full force huh?

>>15760820
My brother in christ, all of them are over priced paper mills public or private.

>>15759551
>Brain drain is a real thing

NONE of the ranked world's best Universities is in Africa... NONE

If an African wants a good education they HAVE to go somewhere else.

>>15759084
Being in school in general is overrated. People who stay in school into their 20s and 30s are just sissies who are fearfully avoiding transitioning to adult life.

>>15771862
School should be made illegal. Its obvious at this point its a gatekeeping mechanism

Anyone that cant figure out fractions from a book needs to be sent to the mines

>>15759084
This news surprise me, but if the information comes from such a credible source, we have to take it seriously. I mean, has the Russian government ever lied before?

>>15771913
Its important to know that all of the evidence of the holocaust comes via the Russian government, all of the rumored "death camps" of the holocaust were in what was Russian territory after the war and the Russians never permitted western observers into their region. So when you start calling Russians liars you are also calling the holocaust into question

>>15773053
heres a video of anne frank's stepsister eva schloss telling the tale of how she knows that the russians faked all of their evidence from auschwitz and how she even got them to admit that their evidence was fake
https://youtu.be/4-JM6ChF-Fw?t=277

>>15768012
I am referring to equipment, classrooms, quality of the lecture seat and projector, outside parks, the pathway where you walk, cafeteria, in third-world countries the university can be dank and dark like a horror movie, this sure can't be comforting for students and teachers. How the university "feels" like do matter just as the reason why third worlders migrate to first world countries. That's what I mean and why people pay money to go to high-ranking uni, it's not just the academic but environment they are in. Can you imagine being in a uni on an empty desert or middle of a slum. Nu-uh. Surely bad for the image

And that's why I find what the Russky said nonsense

>>15771063
That sounds nice but do you have anything to back up this claim?

>>15759535
i send 75k a year on my dog, why doesnt he have a degree?

>>15759084
As someone who's been to a few universities of various rankings, I can't say for sure it correlates to the quality of education one receives, but there is a kind of "niceness" high-ranked universities have that others don't. The campuses tend to be larger, the classrooms and labs more well-equipped, and the student bodies are more engaged and motivated. Sometimes you find someone at a prestigious university who's a complete retard you can barely believe knew how to write their name on their application, but they're much fewer and farther between than they are at mid-ranked schools.

>>15768059
>Those who votes that the war in ukraine was initiated by russia.
What a very strange coincidence that it's precisely his adversaries that are rotten, and that they for some reason all collude to benefit a few at the expense of most of them.

>>15773780
>>15773780
What does your dog buy with all that money? Expensive dog food? Why are you giving your dog cash like that. Seems extremely reckless

>>15759084
So are they overrated, or are they luring the best talent from all around? Because one kinda contradicts the other

>>15760820
>look at those Ivy graduates not being able to get into University of Nebraska
that’s some potent copium

>>15774412
The ivys are the only exception and they aren't any better than the university of California schools (like Berkley and UCLA)

>>15773730
If the Russians faked the evidence from Auschwitz then that suggests that they likely faked the evidence from all of the "extermination camps"
Why would the only fake the Auschwitz evidence?
Why would they bother to make fake evidence from Auschwitz if they had legit evidence from other locations?

>>15774939

>>15759084
To this day, I still don't really understand why the whole university system isn't overhauled and split into 2 things (except money and politics stopping improvements)
>accreditation center
They would give info on courses and course materials, you can pay to just go to the exams (self-study), but you can also pay to attend lectures and whatnot. If a degree requires labs, you can pay to enroll in a lab course. For projects, you would maybe have different options, like meeting the assistant that's going to be checking your final project once a week or twice a week, etc. if you need some help/pointers. Overall it should cost much less than today's degrees.
>research center
Self-explanatory - what phds are there for in the first place. Maybe it could also have job postings for people doing bachelor's/master's courses. Instead of forcing researchers to deal with students as part of the job, they could be monetarily incentivized.

>>15776466
I've been advocating for this for years. The state should establish a suite of certification exams that map to 4-year and Master's degrees, and they should use their status as a large employer of people with degrees to popularize the certification system. For example, a computer science degree equivalent:
>4 math exams
>2 English exams
>1 History exam of your choice
>2 Philosophy exams of your choice
>2-3 Algorithms exams
>2-3 Software development exams
>An up-to-date exam on project management
If you pass all of these exams, you possess the information necessary to do useful software development. This could branch from here into every 4-year degree.

>>15776530
>2 English exams
>1 History exam of your choice
>2 Philosophy exams of your choice
>An up-to-date exam on project management
What does any of this have to do with computer science?

>>15759084
if you ask 4chan users they will tell you a university is better the harder it is, so basically whaatever school has the highest rate of students failing is top notch
honestly you can learn the same shit at any university or the internet. The reason for going to a prestigious or famous college is the status that gives you and it looks good on a resume or impresses people when you tell them.

>>15776719
The point is mimicking general education requirements at university. It shoots down the "well rounded college graduate" argument down before it's stated.

>>15774413
Berkley and UCLA are both in shitty crime ridden neighborhoods, but so are Penn, Columbia, Hopkins & Harvard

>>15777332
university of chicago is worse off than any of them

>>15770150

>>15777332
Think you have UCLA and USC mixed up. UCLA is in Westwood, which is a nice area. USC is near the intersection of Ghetto Road and Gang Way.

>>15759084
It's kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's easier to learn when your peers are smart, work hard, and actually give a shit about their education.

>>15778471
>nice area
>Los Angeles
the most popular areas of California are the eastbound lanes of the interstates

>>15761704
I heard Qanon got a PhD from Cornekk.

>>15759084
Lure? Schools charge foreign students full price and those students complete like mad for the privilege. Now if he means the idea of loose sorority girls lures foreign men to the US, he's correct.

>>15776727
Bigger universities have better scientific equipment.

>>15765996
do you actually know what IQ is or what it measures?

>>15760820
yes, especially since the quality of students has deteriorated year after year. more students now than ever are coming into university less capable than ever.

>>15779388
>more students now than ever are coming into university less capable than ever
By what metric? Top universities only ever get more selective because as the population increases so does the number of applicants.

>>15779398
too universities are only a slice of the pie. part of it is the draw to name brand schools but campuses that used to be the pride of towns whether land grant universities or private colleges now larger have to deal w a crippled student base that wasn't learning effectively for the past 3yrs.

increase in competitiveness doesn't neatly translate to better minds actually innovating, but it does guarantee that certain people are playing the game better. those occupying the most impactful roles in research are majority foreign nationals we bring in to the fold. incoming freshman are competing with other stupider incoming freshman. SAT tests are easier now, AP too if you're generally a top student since you're competing w ineffectual self learners.

now everyone feels the need to go someplace worthwhile, where all other campuses now are lacking in quality staff, initiative and engagement across the student body, and more a general disregard for academic performance.

>>15759084
One of the biggest ranking criteria is "international diversity". It's your own fault if you take those rankinfs seriously.

>>15759535
>All I'll say is if a university is charging every student $75-130k for a four year degree and all those students aren't making that out the gate?
This is utterly irrelevant to the discussion. We already know non-Whites are low IQ and don't belong at university.

>>15759726
Russia losing 100km2 s of land is what convinces us Ukrain isn't losing idiot.

"We lost morr ground, but not as much this year." is not convincing to anyone except the most delusional of coping idiots.

>>15759751
>What does he mean "the west?"
Every rent-free-head country Russia that has an eternal hate boner for.

>>15779398
also freshman enrollment is not that different going back at least 20yrs. plus most schools are not selective. the majority of schools accept over 2/3 of applicants. an acceptance rate of 20-40% is not actually competitive.

>>15779429
russia actualy captured more land from ukraine than vice versa during this offensive

>>15760820
I'm not American, but even I know this is true from my perspective at conferences and following career paths of friends/colleagues there. State universities seem to be the true feeder schools to a lot of great local companies. The students are highly intelligent, produce good work and are not even slightly worried about finding high paying jobs after. The professors are the same quality as those at private schools (why wouldn't they be, with such an oversupply of high quality postdocs relative to faculty positions?). PhDs also appeared to be paid far more than their private school counterparts (a big deal for some trying to start a family on a stipend) while also being treated with much more respect. The difference in maturity is also like day and night. State school grad students are mature, confident colleagues who I can treat like adults vs. the kids desperate for my affirmation.

By contrast private schools is filled with lower IQs, tryhards and people stressed about finding _any_ kind of job plus some rich kids who never cared to begin with. It is filled with some combination of
>rich WASP (the only Chads in these schools, usually does the most trendy meme thing and calls it a day, still I like these guys)
> preppy White girl types (perfectly pitched presentation, then falls apart crying at the first critical question)
> rich Asian (low IQ while also breaking stereotypes about Asians being hard working)
> poor American-Asian (I actually kinda like these guys, but have to be honest they never exactly do any ground breaking or exciting research)
>south Asians (still recovering from the shock of realising their width-over-depth curricula isn't worth shit in the real world where people can sniff out bullshit, and that White people actually did invent almost everything unlike what Indian nationalists trained them to believe).
> various mix pot of ineffectual internationals accumalating debt in order to support the research of their profs

>>15779459
Cont.
Most of the internationals do not find good jobs after and return home with a mountain of debt.

That being said, it's obvious that these brand name schools with a lot of money will continue using the money they have to keep promoying their brands. But this is no different at all compared to what Tsinghau and all the other meme universities like it try to do, just less successfully.

>>15779451
>smell bullshit
>check livemap
>it turns out to be bullshit.
Next cope? Where's the Russian offensive? What a shit invader you are being on the defensive.

>>15768003
>Why doesn't Russian just pay its people more.
Because the Russian people seem to be happy getting paid fuckall so that the commie dwarf in the Kremlin can fail at LARPing as a superpower despite being a weak petrobudget nation not able to keep a tiny minority if Caucasian Muslims in control without massive bribes.

Russians have some vague idea that they should be living like Norwegians with all that oil money. But instead they fall for the narrative of Putin needing to grab tiny specks of dirt filled with peasants around them instead of developing the Russian economy itself and actually using the massive landmass and resources it already has.

>>15768012
>At undergrad level theres not much difference, just like any gym is just as good when you are a novice. Top universities are only the top at cutting edge research, they are not the top at teaching differential calculus
There is a difference. The professors' network is basically your future net worth. But people are caught up with rankings and the "international" meme so they never bother to check out what kind of connections the faculty actually has.

Profs with strong contacts in industry (which is usually LOCAL, not international) will send their top students into interesting, high salary positions. International research faculty will get you precisely that. Sone vague international brand recognition only useful for over-saturated international academic positions.

>>15759084
As an international student myself, I couldn't give 2 shits about university rankings. I won't go to a communist shithole even if they have the best academia in the world. I already lived in a 3rd world shithole, going to another one is pointless
That said, Western universities give the best scholarships anyway, which is what matters the most. Can't study shit if I can't afford rent

>>15779428
>We already know non-Whites are low IQ and don't belong at university.

Fuck off to /pol you troll.

>>15779614
why can starving vietnamese in rice huts with no running water and no books, bombed by agent orange for 15 years and murdered by their own government for another 20, do fractions better than millionaire blacks in america, france, italy, china, and singapore with the best schools in the world?

you ARE aware that the top 5% of blacks in the top schools still have trouble with fractions, aren't you?

the top 5% of blacks score 650 on the SAT, which indicates that fractions are difficult for them. the postgrad data from masters programs indicates that even after 6 to 12 years of college education, they STILL have trouble with fractions

this is information from the most liberal, highest calibre research universities. straight from their matriculation exams

>>1577958
>>15779586
Are you retarded? do you really believe the narrative the Russia is a shithole? why are you faggots so easy to manipulate?

>>15779623
Well they are losing a war and getting their economy sent back to the stone ages, so yes, it's a shithole. I'll go to whoever guarantees me a higher income so I can make enough savings for retirement and go back to my country

>>15779621
>nooooooooo!!!!
>evolution stops above the neck!!!
>everyone is exactly equal mentally because muh libshit politics demands it!!!
>trust the soience!!!

>>15759084
Russia is trash

>>15779614
Fuckoff to reddit. /sci/ is for fact-based posting only.

>>15779623
>t. Russian expat who ran away from his shithole country like the other 1 million Russian people did to live in the West annually.

>>15779621
>why can starving vietnamese in rice huts ...
You're forgetting to add the college educated immigrants.

>millionaire blacks in ... china and singapore
There's about 0 blacks there.

>650/800 on the SAT, which indicates that fractions
You need to comprehend ~10th grade math before doing that well on the MATH SAT. "Fractions" are 4th~6th grade.

>>>All blacks are dumb
Actual MATH SAT data: top 15% of blacks score as high as the top 75% of asians and the top 50% of whites. Everyone knows blacks average less than whites but you look WAY dumber than the average black when you stretch the truth like that.

>>15779652
>t.

>>15779428
>We already know non-Whites are low IQ and don't belong at university.
The average Ashkenazi Jews IQ is an entire standard deviation above white IQs and Asians are roughly 8 points higher than whites on average. Cope, most whites have an IQ of 100, nothing wrong with it but this cope is insane.

>>15759084
Nah.
/thread

>>15780964
no, hebrews are low iq

>>15780164
10th grade math, which is algebra, consists mostly of fractions, and the symbolic and abstract relations between undefined quantities which can be established precisely because they exist in a fractional relationship

niggers have problems with fractions

>>15780964
>Ashkenazi Jews
Whites, just see the wikipage. Jews in the Netherlands are around 40% paternal steppe DNA alone. Central euro Jews in general have ~80% European DNA and the smart ones had 100% European DNA.

The most intelligent Jews have White phenotypes, even blue eyes, and usually identify as Catholic with only journos calling them Jews. Proper Jew phenotypes don't exist in science. Real Jews in MENA are 90 IQ average.

>>15780964
>and Asians are roughly 8 points higher than whites on average.
Not true. You're confusing native Whites with national averages in White countries. The _average_ White IQ including with rural regions are equal or higher than the best IQ averages of East Asians when measured only in cities.

This is why Whites invented everything.

>>15759084
A bit, but it's a convenient fast filter. Any CV I see from a no-name school, especially non Western schools, is sent straight into garbage.

>>15781455
>10th grade math, which is algebra, consists mostly of fractions

>>15759084
>Are US university rankings overrated?
Yes
Blame the GI bill, inflation, student loan companies, and the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.
Over 80% of college students cheat in university, Google it.

>>15781471
If China had the same proportion of African immigrants that Europe has, China's IQ average would be in the 80s.

>>15759084
university rankings are only marketing, yes. international students are huge business.

>>15759084
universities are overrated

>>15783043
Not quite that low, but around 95 yes.

>>15779470
>check livemap
>muh globohomo infowar propaganda confirms that globohomo political propaganda is true
its like you're begging to have me call you low iq

>>15765972
>We should be ramping up our brain drain programs so we can take even more
Please no, all the supposed 'educated' Indians here just go to a degree mill that graduates 3000 MBAs a year.

>>15784955
cope chud

>>15759084
Naryshkin shouldn't bother anyway, since russian unis are all shit.
>>15784238
also this

>>15759084
If you can't pay off your student debt within 3 years after finishing school, you have wasted your time.

>>15759084
The rankings are good because they take into account of the quality of the graduates and the % graduated. Seems like the only the thing that matters when choosing a university.

Why don't more institutions focus creating separate entities for scientific research as opposed to existing universities being places where goal is to teach potential graduates?

I like the German approach of emphasizing on professional research in separate institutions like Max Planck

>>15785209
They take into account a lot more stuff. Universities are run like any business.

>>15765991
>Who's "we"? Migrants are imported to lower your salaries and stoke housing costs. Not for any of the dumb "civic nationalist" cope reasons you are imagining.
Agreed

>Oh. And they steal your IP while pumping money out through remittance. So they're not "brain draining" thirdies. Just giving them free tech and money.

There's a reason they get paid 60K a year in a HCOL zone and there's a reason corporations thirst for them so much, how many millions more do you think they are making by importing all those Indians and Chinese?
Now it's time for you to go back to your pod and eat the bugs

>>15785837
Yep, they're run to screw their customers out of maximum cash while delivering as little value in return as possible. Thats why only idiots end up going to university

>>15786877
Sadly, one still have to go to uni if they want more possibilites, unless they are born with connections. Businesses have to mainly appease investors, which is mostly about politics rather than hiring based on merit.

>>15787908
>Sadly, one still have to go to uni if they want more possibilites, unless they are born with connections
explain andrew tate in that context

>>15788413
I don't follow celebs/e-celebs and have no idea what you mean

>>15788413
Tate was already a millionaire advertising executive when he was 20 years old, before he became a pro athlete, all because he didn't waste his time in goyschool

They are in the sens that the level of students is actually what matters the most and you have places with as great if not greater students.
It is true that they have the best researchers, but that doesn't mean much for the quality of teaching.

>>15788977
Valuable lesson to be learned there. Most of the overaged children who choose to stay in school like babies instead of trying to join the adult world as soon as they can make their choice out of laziness and they then rationalize their decision in some way that flatters themselves.

>>15759535
The students are paying, daddy pays their bills for them

>>15759084
I'm so fascinated by benevolence of Americans, taking a loan, to be helpful to society. It's excellence in freedom.

>>15790502
I was making more money in my side hustles when I was in school than what I was offered in "real jobs" after I got my degrees.

>>15759084
While I do not believe there is a grand conspiracy in university rankings, he does make an interesting point about luring talents from across the world.
During the colonial era, it was all about raw materials for the production economy, and the West got as much as they could from the colonies and had the factories mostly in the West. Indians are still upset about the destruction of the textile industry equipment when the British left. But that is now in the past and mostly forgotten.
For today, we have a service economy, and it is fuelled by people, not goods. So now the third world is in a continuos destillation process where the best and brightest leave for the West. Naryshkin misses the mark when he talks only about the educational system - this also restricts the healthcare and the industry. Supposedly there are more doctors from one of the smaller African countries in one single English city than there are remaining in their own country.

>>15792892
Join a union

>>15782812

>>15794102
from a dark green area, we take algebra in 6th grade cos we acceleratin

>>15794102
the closer you get to downtown, the stupider the students are.
how do urbanites respond to this?

What a shit thread

>>15779330
Ah, someone who's never lived in California

>>15780964
average nazi jew iq corrected for their bs dishonesty is 98.4 vs about 101.2 for western europe.

>>15774093
Can't believe no one called you a retard for this post kek

>>15779426
if you lie about being foreign you acceptance rate goes through the roof because they schools want those foreigniggers to get the higher rankings

>>15797114
The school rankings work the same way ESG does. The people who make the rankings are able to dictate policy to the schools same as Blackrock is able to dictate to businesses by giving them breaks on interest rates if they advertise trannyism and race mixing

>>15794102
This doesn't explain how algebra is "mostly fractions"

>>15764473
Literally this

>>15765972
There isn’t a single University in mainland Europe that stands up against even the shittiest of US flyover state Public Schools. You are all just a bunch of complete fucking irrelevant nobodies sitting in buildings named after the greatest minds in history who have long passed. Here’s something for all the Europoors to chew on, you know dozens of US private and public Universities, but nobody in the rest of the world can name a single one in mainland Europe. Maybe people on here could come up with Max Planck Institute, but outside of this place nothing.
My shitty State school’s Astrophysics and Controls departments work directly with NASA on multiple probes/rovers that are now on mars and various other celestial bodies. They’ve built scientific instruments for nearly every single one of NASA’s large missions. Two of their creations aren’t even in the solar system anymore, with them flying 40,000 miles per hour into the cosmic abyss bolted onto voyager 1 and 2.
You ever heard of the Van Allen belts? Well that Van Allen spent his entire career at my shitty State University and discovered said belts while working there. He even got his Doctorate there and his bachelors in my state, at some random single building Methodist college that no longer even exists.
Here’s the kicker, that University isn’t even a technical school. It’s a glorified diploma mill that takes any pond scum that wants to be a Business and Medical major. They don’t even have a minimum required act score lmao. Physics and Astronomy aren’t even in the top 50 most popular degrees at that hell hole. With the astrophysics department being relegated to half a floor in the 5 story hall dedicated to Van Allen. It is quite likely that the school gave their football coach more money than that entire department last year

>>15798702
Why did I bring all of this up? Well despite it not being a technical institute, it not having literally any acceptance standards, it barely funding its science/eng departments, spending more on its godawful Football program every year than either combined, being situated in a town of barely 60k, half of which are its own students, in the middle of bumfuck nowhere Iowa with nothing but cornfields in a 200 miles radius, with the nearest large city being half the width of Germany away, and it genuinely just being an overall shithole institution that capitalizes on aimless retards, it still objectively has a more prestigious Astrophysics program than any mainland European University/Institute. With that one department alone having similar experience/more historic legacy than Europes entire space agency kek.
Want more proof Europe is nothing but a rapidly decaying museum whose populace hasn’t had initiative or motivation to do anything truly impressive since the 50s? Probably a fourth of the professors at that State School are from Europe, with degrees from Europe’s best schools and post docs at places like CERN. Even the most pathetic bankrupt private college in Iowa has more rich foreign students lining up to attend than the most ‘prestigious’ University in continental Europe. They’d rather spend 70k+ a year on non-residential tuition and travel to the other side of the planet to live in the most boring and dreary place in the States, then risk wasting their youth among the sick man of the old world.
You want to discuss overrated and bullshit University rankings? Take any European college in the top 300 that isn’t in England and throw their ranking in the trash, simple as. Once you arrogant fucks finally accomplish what even the subhuman Mongrel Russians and Bugmen Chinks managed 60 years, maybe I’ll reconsider. Paying your ally to ferry you up into space doesn’t make you an astronaut, nor does it make you a space faring civilization.

>>15798749
Brown hands typed this.
If european colleges truly are as bad as you say they are, then imagine how utterly fucking useless the rest of the world's uni's are

Yes, they are lying, but everyone else is lying even more.

>>15798702
>burger fantasies
I've met plenty rich idiots having a bunch of hallucinations about who they are, failing to grasp the importance of their money propping up their idiotic fantasies.

>>15799119
>>15799758
Europe has been consistently on the decline since the 1800s, whatever they're doing is demonstrably wrong.

>>15759084
undoubtedly, they're all just sjw brainwashing academies

>>15800512
The corporate world just declared most of the students currently at Harvard to be permanently unemployable, but that fact will never be included in the university rankings, which only measure diversity score

>>15801716
>The corporate world just declared most of the students currently at Harvard to be permanently unemployable
What does this mean?

>>15759084
No. There are people completing PhD's in math with very little substance beyond content you could find an undergraduate taking in Europe.
Then there are standard and proper prelim exams that are what you SHOULD be able to do before starting a PhD, like so.

Anons not being able to solve this, but having a "masters" or being a phd student in mathematics just proves my point.

>>15759084
when you see mediocre universities like UCLA at top of the lists, you know they're fuck garbage.

>>15779330
Los angeles is fucking huge and there are large portions where poors get arrested just for walking around in

>>15759084
Yes, majority of the universities are jewish nepotism centers

>>15802035
dont be upset just because you didnt get in anon

>>15802060
LA is a disgusting degenerate shithole, even far out suburbs like thousand oaks are teeming with shitskin criminals

>>15803282
I dont contest that but jews like to keep their containment zones goy free

>>15803369
thousand oaks is full of jews too

>>15804604
Things are getting interesting now that the jews have been endeavoring to import the muslim world to North America and Europe for the past half century and now the muslims they've imported are starting to turn on the jews.
Note that the UK government doesn't mind at all when foreigners engage in anti-Christian acts or anti-white activities, but if they hassle the jews they get kicked out.
Why do jews merits such special protection in England that the natives don't even get?

>>15805172
its just more of the same old white genocide agenda

>>15759084
>Says Russian...
Stopped reading there

>>15805172
this will only end in wrath

>>15784961
>intalligence capital index
no need to muddy the waters with kikery

>>15759084
Let's see the Russian rankings.

yes west bad russia stronk

>>15806978
>muh joookraine!!!

>>15799119
I went to the University of Utah and I got to use MCNP and work on alpha and gamma spec detectors as an undergrad. Research opportunities at US universities are the best.

>>15807836
Ted Bundy was a University of Utah guy for a while. After he had a close call when he killed a sheriff's daughter and almost got caught he took up the habit of driving all the way to Aspen to do his killings. Thats like a 5 hour commute each way, thats dedication.

>>15779470
TWO MORE WEEKS

>>15759084
universities are overrated. do plumbing or electronics or nursing, tangible, respectable work that matters.

>>15799742
no they aren't

>>15807767

>>15759535
everyday i go to the college bookstores and rob two or three books and sell them online

>>15760820
Should I go to Stanford or Berkeley law? I hear prestige is important but I'm not sure I want to move south..

>>15811813
>Berkeley
crime infested hellhole, you'd be lucky to survive living there for a few years

>>15811272
lol
goog meme

>>15805172

>>15806575
>Let's see the Russian rankings.
Even they rank themselves pretty low.
https://roundranking.com/ranking/world-university-rankings.html

>>15759084
whatever is cheapest or most convenient is best, and of course only go for a career.

>>15811577
whats the daily income on a scheme like this?

>>15759084
The brain drain effect is real but the rankings between American schools are mostly bullshit if you check their standardized testing

>>15759084
>Russian shill doing the usual WEST BAD plug
Worst part is that some literal brain dildos fall for this shit and do it for free. Even their Ivans and Anaesthesias at least get some peanuts + faux nationalistic creed to their misdeed. But this chumps? Only destroying their own nations.

>>15798702
Thanks to ASML that is located in benelux, that use german components.

>>15816302
>>>/pol/

World university rankings are nonsense. You can’t accurately condense the “quality” of a university into a single stat, and you shouldn’t because you’re not the superposition of every student, grad student, postdoc and faculty member

>Harvard is a good school
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3un_VbXVefk

>>15817846
lmao that pretty much everyone on /sci/ is smarter than the average harvard grad

>>15779470
they only want the part the already have because thats where ukraine's fossil fuel resources are located.
burisma's plan to steal the european market for russian fossil fuels can't be executed if they have no fossil fuel resources to access

>>15819980
Part of that plan was shutting down nuclear power in as many places as they could. Germany in particular, since Germany is the industrial hub of Europe. Destroying the Nordstream pipeline was another part of the plan.

>EPFL, ETH Zurich, Oxbridge and MIT are approximately the same bracket as Harvard.
Yeah it's absolutely nonsense.

>>15817846
why are the harvard grads so dumb?

>>15822161
>why are the negro and female harvard grads so dumb?
they cleverly avoided asking white males the question

I'd usually ignore russian shill, but he has a point. Given how much effort US universities have been putting in destroying anything that makes them good (DEI, racism in selection process, legacy shit, campus politics, grade inflation, etc) would lead one to believe their ranking would go down, but they're still at the top despite the bullshit.

>>15822161
See the Month Python sketch "upper class twit of the year" for a brief explanation or Thorstein Veblen's "Theory of the Leisure Class" for a more in depth look at the issue

>>15765972
>Poland
interesting since I'm Polish

>>15811577
Based

>>15765972
do you have a similar chart for uneducated immigrants?

>>15759084
Of course, and it's very well known among anyone who pays close attention, from academic to policymakers.

>>15781328
75% of israel is not jewish (-> muslims and niggers)

>>15759084
Having taught US undergrads I have a hard time believing this level of retardation is a historical or global norm.

Is a HES MBA and a PhD in Business Economics worth it?

>>15825782
Its all thanks to the wonders of modern science and technology

>>15765972
This but send all the Indians back. I don't know a single person that likes Indians.

Everyone else can stay

>>15827439
they all need to go back, their suffering and impoverished nations need their help

>>15759084
In the end it's the same material. You learn the same shit

The fundamental difference is your networking opportunities. Which to be fair is important but has nothing at all to do with the quality of education offered

>>15759084
isn't it a social ranking for networking value?
donators' influence are the real factor i think.
won't make you more skilled but might land you a better job. unless your employer is well informed ofc.
find an old timer in the specialty you're eyeing and ask him where he hires from.

>>15826092
I think you mean HBS, Harvard, and yes, absolutely. Millionaire status guaranteed.

>>15759084
yes? idk whatever answer causes less of said africans and asians coming over for it

>>15811577
Based. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

>>15759084
>china

those kids come here because they didn't want to take the gaokao or they flunked it

>>15830665
imagine studying math in china
imagine being chinese and coming to a country where 20 year olds are still learning how to add fractions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFWLmRYQVvA

>>15830665
>be Chinese
>can't compete academically in China
>instead got to the "best university in the world" in America
ITS OVER

>>15825782
The US is a big place, you know. Where did you teach?

>>15832783
harvard

The 'rican population is educated stupid.

>>15759087
Honestly the only Universities that can compete with the elite American Research ones are
Tokyo
Beijing
Oxford
Cambridge

Thats it for being on the cutting of the cutting edge disregarding Industry. Industry is always decades ahead. All the real wizards hang out in the private sector unless they are superstars who get off on being in academia for whatever reason. Universities are decent enough for discovery private industry does not like paying for, but they will when needed.

But the US has countless top tier research universities

>>15834404
They're for trust fund babies to build a kind of relevancy for when they inherit daddy's empire, you don't go there to actually learn.

>>15834404
you retard don't even know what you're saying lol
you probably are an undergrad yourself
america research universities are full of fake researchoors
outside of the top 10, all trash garbage that cite themself
EPFL and ETH Zurich are leap above america universities outside MIT etc...
France and Germany also have very good research universities much better than many of the fake ones in murica
you'll never know cause you got caught up in the citation and self promotion game by the amerimutt

America researchoors are actually shameless enough to cite their other 50 papers whenever they publish a new one, conveniently ignore all the previous work by other user.
one extreme example of this is Yann LeCunn, Hinton and Bengio who blatantly copy and claim credit for many work done by Jurgen Schmidhuber.
they literally copied his LSTM, do a modification into GRU then claim they invent new thing and never cite the LSTM paper.

>>15759084
the course materials between harvard and some generic europoor university are pretty much the same, the only real difference starts at the phd level. also the grading is usually based on distributions, so it's extremely competitive.

it doesn't technically matter, factually the big companies can afford to filter out the most talented people in the industry based on miniscule shit, so applying the ivy league filter is not really a big deal to them. why have a talented workforce from university xyz, when you can have Stanford, Harvard and MIT graduates.

>>15834737
European research is different than american. US research is primarily targeted towards applying the scientific groundworks laid out by european research to new technologies and business models.

>>15834774
American research is about learning to add fractions

>>15834737
Which universities would you recommend? Any opinions on the Complutense, Sapienza and other SE universities?

Is Moscow University actually good tho?

>>15834737
>>15834749
>hey you can't just say positive things about the US or its people! That's offensive!
Get lost

Israel doesn't have a right to defend itself because it is occupying the land illegally. That's like saying the burglar has a right to kill you because you were going to kill him to stop his burglary.

They receive unnecessary amount of references as they do english, and its the language of science in west, in these zoomer years. Everything went shit after latin, french and german lost their position.

Ivy League universities have good research departments, but their undergrads are total horseshit, basically any mouth breather with money is guaranteed a degree. I'm Greek, in my country literally every politician tied to "old money" (mostly members of the ruling ND party) are mouth breathers that failed miserably in our equivalent of SATs and couldn't enter university here, then proceeded to buy a degree from Harvard.

>>15835327
>Ivy League universities have good research departments
they don't. nothing of any meaningful value or worth has ever been discovered at an ivy league school

>>15836039
>nothing of any meaningful value or worth has ever been discovered at an ivy league school
I tried to think up an example to disprove that, but there aren't any.

>>15759084
Basically yes. It's a bit like IQ - it can in certain circumstances provide a crude estimation of intelligence, but with a lot of inaccuracy and a lot of exceptions. It was only ever meant to be a sledgehammer approach.

But people get fooled by numbers and rankings very easily. Suddenly the numbers are their literal value in life. Elo ratings in games are a bit different in that they can be quite accurate, but I bring them up to talk about the obsession with a number and a ranking.

If you had two universities, same region, very similar in a lot of ways, one is ranked a lot higher, then maybe it means that university is better in some ways (the other one might also have advantages). Internationally though, noone in the west is going to accept Russian universities or professors as authorities except for a small credit for the very best ones given grudgingly.

tl;dr: yes, they are only a crude approximation within a country and between countries mean hardly anything due to geopolitics.

>>15759084
>the west is cheating on ranking because they take all the smart students from asian and african countries
russians mad nobody in their right mind would ever come to russia

>>15759084
Universities in US have all declined to SHIT
The top ones are all hedge funds larping as Universities, education isn't even their main business anymore.

I've completed a STEM PhD and done research in private industry. My colleagues and collaborators have been from Oxbridge, MIT, other places. These institutions don't mean anything. They are just zoos that lay claim to the intelligence and work of their subjects. Nearly every single university in any country has genius level STEM people. The big names merely open doors for academics to do more and to claim more credit. Of course the very top unis also attract the hot talent like fields medalists etc. That doesn't mean that the uni somehow produces such work. Another observation: Americans have very huge egos and are very coddles. By this I also include rich kids who did their studies in the US. Its an easy money country for 120+ IQ people and it goes to their head. Just remember that you're not as hot as you think. Feel free to prove me wrong by achieving a wikipedia entry for an intellectual achievement.

>>15837082
>Universities in US have all declined to SHIT
They've been forced to by their financial benefactors, their sources of funding dry up if they don't dumb down their curriculum and turn their student bodies into moronic communist zombies.

>>15837061
i doubt it
i'd be ecstatic if i lived somewhere with no immigration

What's a good non biased university ranking?

>>15840226
there aren't any

>>15841452
The only reason to produce a university ranking would be to sell the top rankings to the highest bidder

>>15759084
Yes, they're overhyped in the media just like everything else American is

>>15760820
this is pure cope.
I go to the flagship public school in my state and our undergrad CS curriculum is quintessential paper mill shit.

>>15759084
>believing anything coming from a Russian

>>15843483
All of the evidence of the holocaust comes from Russians

>>15843456
>I go to the flagship public school in my state
You should've gone to the ag/tech school instead, thats where all the real tech brains are.
State U is for people who want to go the medical school, law school, get a business degree or study art.
State Polytech is for people who want to learn technical skills

>>15845221
I'm a grad student. The reason I went to this school over a tech school is because my advisor is one of the foremost experts in my particular field of CS.

>>15759520
>They are this tiny thing that tries to be dominant through clever remarks
Yeah I've noticed this too. The Russian government thinks it can perform legalistic trickery to somehow "win the argument" but they aren't even competitors, there is no argument.

>>15798749
>>15798702
That's nice. But sounds like a lot of achievements from 50 years ago. Discover any radiation belts lately?

>>15845300
you sure do seem to like talking about yourself on social media

>>15835162
used to be until all the Jews left for America in the 90s. Look up the faculty physics/math department of any Ivy, it’s all Soviet Jews

>>15846182
wow, would jews really be rootless and disloyal to their home country?

>>15846182
Nah. Soviet Jews were basicially Russians/Ukrainians converts.
Moscow is still very great for things other than CStards.

>>15835185
"rights" are imaginary. if the burglar kills you, you will still be dead even if the killing was wrong.
are you an atheist or do you believe in god? you certainly seem to believe in right and wrong if you believe in "rights".

You choose.

>>15847873
Fat stinky Americans.

>>15847874
Half whites.

>>15847875
The Rican half white has to have low IQ because his Government needs to trick him into aimlessly buying burgers.

>>15847876
BOM BOM BOM, AMERICA COMIN

>>15847878
Sorry. Was only jokin'. Americans are smart x

>>15847407
>Soviet Jews
Lenin, Trotsky, Yagoda, etc.

>>15847867
>rights

>>15836039
This, if Ivys are good, where is their output? Heres is a nice video that exposes how smart Ivy grads really are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3un_VbXVefk

>>15776719
The philosophy courses may help midwits realize the value of libertarian ideas, and how they are pursuing a career in a field entirely built around them.

>>15799119
>brown hands typed this
>explicitely state I'm from one of the whitest states in the Midwest, which is the whitest region besides northern New England
Sure bud, my town didn't have a single non-white till the 90s when the commies literally made the government bus in gang bangers from Chicago. The only

>>15845479
Nigga, what achievements has there been in astrophysics since the Apollo program ended and NASA had their budget annihilated? Despite this, they have major roles in multiple missions after the 70s. Once again, you can talk on this matter when your continent successfully launches a human into space

>>15851014
>NASA had their budget annihilated?
NASA gets infinite money, they don't earn a penny or produce anything of any value and they still get awarded literal billions of dollars. Every single one of their projects has massive budget overruns and yet none of the projects are ever canceled or run out of money, instead they just run the money printer to pay for it. Regardless literal unlimited funds, NASA is unable to produce anything of noteworthy or meaningful value.
Picrel telescope was orignally promised as a $500 million dollar project and it was supposed to be an 8 meter telescope launched in 2007. Instead a 6.5 meter telescope was deployed in 2022 and shortly thereafter it was almost immediately upstaged by a sausage.

>>15851092
>it was supposed to be an 8 meter telescope launched in 2007. Instead a 6.5 meter telescope was deployed in 2022
You can use those numbers to come up with a figure for exactly how much the soience sois overestimated their technical capabilities by. They were short of their mirror size estimate by 150%, overran their schedule by 225% and missed their budget by a whooping 17600% which comes together to show that they overestimated their abilities by a total of 594,000,000%
Could be a world's record for the all time biggest overinflated egos

>>15847407
>Soviet Jews were basicially Russians/Ukrainians converts
objectively false

>>15800005
This, Europe is not a model to be imitated, its an example of what not to do

>>15834404
Tokyo and not Toronto is retarded

>>15837815
I've spent a lot of time around europeans. You're all flash and pomp with very little substance underneath. I've never been impressed. And yes, that goes for basically all of europe.

>>15773780
Congratulations, that is how you get flayed alive with seashells while you are tied and nailed to a column.

>>15852770
LMAO

>>15852770
Canadian universities are a joke. They fire tenure-track professors for making factual observations about bears that the government doesn't like.

>>15759084
I have heard that the rankings are based more on their research output rather than quality of education.

>>15852774
>And yes, that goes for basically all of europe.
Which ones are not NPCs?

>>15852802
you can't fire tenure track professors lol. Also so do american and British universities so what's your point. Toronto's research output rivals ivy leagues with half the endowment

>>15852937
>you can't fire tenure track professors
yes you can. tenured professors can be fired too

>>15854395
Don't be so hard on him. He was educated in a Canadian school so he doesn't know anything.

>>15854395
no, you really can't, it's one of the appeals of tenure, you can't just have some guy come in and be like "ERM! you're fired!" It's a huge fuck off process that at most will wind up with the professor on sabbatical for a few years, or coming to some agreement/compensation where he will become professor emeritus. You don't fire a processor like some bumpkin blue collar worker is fired from his jobsite

>>15759084
ranking systems are bullshit, but the top american universities really are the best in the world despite all their dysfunction
everywhere else is worse.

>>15854781
tenured professors get fired all the time, for reasons as simple as financial expediency. the idea that they have an eternally guaranteed income is a dumb myth that only naive simpletons believe in.
tenure has nothing whatsoever to do with job security

>>15854781
You fire a tenured professor by fabricating some silly made up scandal against them and then using the woke mob to make it seem like your hand was forced.

>>15854846
you don't even need to do that. they can be fired for any normal reason. poor performance, budget cuts, etc.

>>15834404
>wizards
>superstars
I think the biggest appeal of "Industry" is avoiding the infantile environment that promulgates language like this.

>>15759084
The USA used to rely on brain drain, but people like the Chinese now get educated in the USA and then take it back to China, sometimes with industry secrets as well. I also find it interesting how China houses many Africans and is looked upon positively for educating them, yet the USA is creating a hindrance when they do the same. Almost like Russia is using a double standard to whine when it suits them.

>>15856314
>yet the USA is creating a hindrance when they do the same.
Wrong, Twum came from Ghana to become an American scientist and she is currently the most important and productive scientist on the entire planet

>>15856887
A sad loss for Ghana.

>>15857585
>b-b-but muh Ghana
screw Africa, even Africans hate Africa.
thats why they all want to move somewhere better

>>15857585
What'd they lose?

>>15858968
According to the director of the Foreign Intelligence Service of the Russian Federation Sergey Naryshkin, Ghana lost a talented youth due to the West cheating in compiling the rankings of world universities. Makes me sick I tell ya.

>>15859503
Its racist and colonialist for America to be stealing all of Ghanas best scientific talent

>>15834404
>But the US has countless top tier research universities
how come none of them produce any top tier research?

>>15759084
American undergraduate education is subpar and indeed very well marketed. Brain drain is real, but that's because Western countries can offer better opportunities on average. This is just Russian cope as usual.
Also, it's important to add that university rankings aren't the driving force behind brain drain. The West beats the developing world by providing career opportunities and research funding. Prestige matters in an undergraduate level, but it isn't THE or QS that lead thirdies to worship Harvard and MIT like they do. Rankings are a minor force in anglo university marketing.

>>15759520
>But it naturally follows that the power structures in the dominant nation will be the best on that basis alone
copium

>>15759084
lets be honest, no commoner from an african country goes to a western university. It's always children of high ranking politicians. The children get indoctrinated with western values in those universities and once they inherit the position from their parents they propagate those indoctrinated values in their positions.
For example: a negro warlord prince studies in the US, gets buck broken by BWC in university and likes it. Then he inherits the throne and suddenly the negro country is suspiciously accepting of the US foreign policies.

>>15759084
Yes.

>>15862647
Twum got so indoctrinated that she decided to stay in America forever

>>15859503
Moscow university should start demanding a half million dollar bribe for babby's admission, thats how Harvard and the rest of the Ivys and Stanford, Duke, Hopkins, MIT, Georgetown, CalTech etc. all have the money to pay bribes to fix the college rankings

>>15817846
lol
are harvard grads really that clueless?