/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15775377
Congrats! I'll probably run into you at some point, it's a small world

Hop when?
Hop when?
Hop when?
Hop when?
Hop when?

>>15775405
They like co-orbiting stuff with their station a whole lot, which I think is a viable strategy. I wonder if they will try to assemble something nearby.

>>15775551
When Musk allows the CIA's cronies to have censorship and moderation authority over Twitter again.

>>15775551
after the government shutdown

>>15775555

FAA closes New Shepard mishap investigation (Foust), same from space.com
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https://spacenews.com/faa-closes-new-shepard-mishap-investigation/
> FAA closes New Shepard mishap investigation
> WASHINGTON — The Federal Aviation Administration announced Sept. 26 it had closed the mishap investigation into a failed launch by Blue Origin’s New Shepard vehicle more than a year ago, but said the vehicle is not yet cleared to resume flights.
> The FAA said in a statement that is closed the investigation into the New Shepard payload-only suborbital mission designated NS-23 that took place in September 2022. On that flight, the main engine failed about a minute into flight, triggering the abort motor in the vehicle’s crew capsule. That capsule, carrying payloads but no people, landed safely under parachutes, while the propulsion module crashed.
> The FAA said in the statement that the proximate cause of the mishap was “the structural failure of an engine nozzle caused by higher than expected engine operating temperatures.” That matches with what Blue Origin itself announced in March, when its investigation concluded that changes in the design of a boundary layer cooling system for the vehicle’s BE-3PM engine caused an increase in nozzle heating, including a “hot streak” aligned with the location of fatigue in the nozzle that led to its structural failure.
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https://www.space.com/faa-closes-investigation-blue-origin-launch-failure
> FAA closes investigation of Blue Origin launch failure

Starshield Pentagon contract, Japans SLIM lunar lander snaps a photo of earth
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https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/27/spacex-wins-first-pentagon-contract-for-starshield.html
> SpaceX wins first Pentagon contract for Starshield, its satellite network for military use
> The Pentagon has awarded Elon Musk’s SpaceX its first confirmed contract for the Starshield network it’s developing.
> A Space Force spokesperson confirmed that SpaceX on Sept. 1 was awarded a one-year contract for Starshield with a maximum value of $70 million.
> “The SpaceX contract provides for Starshield end-to-end service (via the Starlink constellation), user terminals, ancillary equipment, network management and other related services,” Space Force spokesperson Ann Stefanek told CNBC.
> The initial phase of the Starshield contract obligates $15 million to SpaceX by Sept. 30, to provide services that support 54 military “mission partners” across Department of Defense branches, the spokesperson said.
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https://www.space.com/japan-slim-moon-lander-earth-photo
> Japan's 'moon sniper' probe snaps photo of Earth from orbit
> Japan's SLIM lunar lander has sent back an eerie image of Earth as a test of the camera it will use to help it land accurately on the moon.
> The Smart Lander for Investigating Moon (SLIM) launched on an H-2A rocket on Sept. 6. It has already passed its first critical phase in Earth orbit by completing a series of systems tests, according to the Japanese Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA).
> JAXA has not yet released a scheduled lunar landing date, though it has stated the spacecraft will take three to four months from launch to reach the moon. This longer route saves the lightweight spacecraft propellant and mass.

>>15775696
https://twitter.com/SLIM_JAXA/status/1705042657171681672

(translated from Japanese to English with Google)
> To confirm the functionality of the camera used during the moon landing, we photographed the Earth from #SLIM . The distance between this time #SLIM and the Earth is approximately 100,000 km, and Japan at dawn can be seen directly below. This camera is used for self-localization using craters. (This image was acquired during operation using test radio waves.) #たのしむーん

>>15775696
>oblate spheroid
>pear shaped
>blatant fisheye
lmao

>>15775534
Another day not leaving the ball earth.

>>15775728
The rocket is stacked, it's launched before, the government won't let them launch again until they do the paperwork.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1707318397510271095

>>15775749
>attacks your brain

>>15775749
Attack whom?

>>15775749
In all honesty I hope the FAA drags Elons balls through the mud for what he did on the first launch
It was Wreckless endangerment of a wildlife habitat which outweighs the benefit of starship. I think it should be grounded for at least a year just as punishment.

shit bait

>>15775772
the beetles

>>15775776
Elon should drag his muddy balls across FAAs face
and who knows, maybe it even happens in the future as spaceflight related regulatory stuff gets rearranged

Should I do a geology degree? I don't think I'll be able to do an aeronautical engineering degree, I don't have the prerequisites.

WHAT- WHAT THE-

>>15775698
>Japan at dawn can be seen directly below
Can't see shit, sensei

>>15775813
do you like it?

>>15775813
What prerequisites? I had a classmate that hadn't taken a physics class before and they were in the Aerospace Engineering program. Or do you mean your test scores are not good enough to get into a program?

>>15775822
Yes, geology was an autism interest of mine as a child bit now that I'm a neet in my twenties and looking into stem degrees I'm uncertain of what to do, deciding between interest and career prospects has been troubling.

>>15775831
take geology and then something like software stuff so you could do that if the first one doesn't work out

>>15775776
kys

KH-9 HEXAGON, aka "Big Bird"

>>15775874
Should be the standard minimum size for interplanetary orbiter probes

>>15775887
just tell the pentagon it has military applications and they'll fund it

>>15775888
Just tell probe designers to stop being pussies and start taking advantage of Falcon Heavy payload capacity

>>15775534
Wow one of the best stagings I've seen in a while 9/10. Would be 10/10 if that NSF logo wasn't there.

odds of MSR getting canceled?

>>15775920
pretty low because ESA will bitch and moan

>>15775920
I'd say 50 50, either it gets cancelled or it doesn't

>>15775927
why would ESA do such a thing?

>>15775377
What's it like to work at NASA

>>15775927
The ESA fetch rover has already been deleted because the ESA can't land on Mars and everyone has stopped pretending they can. That leaves the Earth Return Orbiter, launched on an Ariane 64 which is a big if itself. And with everything MSR related moving to the right, there's no real plan now.

Watching Starlink launches is passe. Photographing Starlink satellites to verify their deployment status, now that's real autismo.
https://twitter.com/byspto/status/1707017095966294374

>>15775933
It's their default

>>15775951
Why launch on A64 when FH can do it with more margin?
oh yeah politics nvm

>>15775951
they should just pull out of MSR lol.

Jet Propulsion Lavoratory

>>15775987
kek

psyche

Bros what are your thoughts on using nuclear power to district heating? Since the water pressures and temperatures are far lower the risks should also be far lower

>>15776011
youre fucking idot. Smoke your hemp and calm down fucking idiot.

Give me your most aggravating sincere take about spaceflight. Read, sincere, not bait.

>>15776006
I'd feel more comfortable in the tunnels where I'm not at the risk of some schizo breaking the windows.

>>15776017
hug a tree faggot
>>15776019
it's expensive

>>15776023
it being expensive is a fact, not an opinion
take discarded due to not following instructions

>>15775979
Given that ESA participation was just for "cost reduction", now that MSR is a NASA estimated $30 billion, returning 15 years from now, with a virtually zero chance of success, let's just not pretend Europe can do their part fast, cheaper, better.

>>15776028
a basic probe without any instruments shouldn't be that expensive.

>>15776028
NASA always had a thing for coaxing ESA to join dead-on-arrival projects

>>15776019
its not worth the risk to humans and to the envornment. And should ultimately be banned entirely.

>>15776035
that is a pretty shit take I must say, but sadly very common

Exomarsbros...

>>15775541
There better be something stacked there two weeks from now when the partial eclipse comes by. I'm expecting some quality kino.

>>15776033
MSR isn't even a probe. It's Grub Hub. Pick up the samples that are already collected, and bring them back. But it's grown into a technological and cost monstrosity.

>>15775776
Why don't you go there and tell them in person? We'll wait...

>Sitting on edge of the zone
>Guy comes walking in
>Invis, but I'm also in the dark
>Walks around, pretends to look around
>As soon as my invis goes runs right at me
Yeah ok dude. Hope he gets banned.

considering that MRS was $720 million and it has a big telescope, the fetch orbiter could cost somewhere around $500 million

>>15775830
If you specialize in oil and gas stuff, you'll have a marketable skill, if you don't mind being in the boonies of west Texas, etc.
You'll certainly be able to afford that sweet mobile Starlink.

>>15775888
I heard there's terrorists hiding out on Europa.
Or Russians, whatever the boogieman is these days.

>>15775954
I thought the new sun shields made it way harder to spot them? I saw a couple trains overhead in 2020 but none since then.

>>15776011
On Earth? It's a possibility but people are retards.
On other worlds? A single MMRTG outputs 2kW of heat continuously. That's basically equivalent to a campfire, and in a sealed habitat space surrounded by vacuum it would be enough to keep a surprisingly large volume warm enough to be comfortable. A real reactor could easily make enough heat to keep a huge facility warm all the time. I think the complexity of setting up district heating on the Moon or Mars wouldn't be worth it, and instead waste heat would be used nearby the reactor to warm up ice and do other useful industrial work, while habitats would be heated with simple electrical units.

>>15776019
Interstellar flight is probably too hard for anybody anywhere to do, so nobody tries. We are forever trapped in our solar systems.

>>15776019
Studying planets other than Earth is a complete waste of time and effort unless we are working towards space colonization.

>>15776019
Expressing my sincere beliefs about space flight is a federal crime :^)

>>15775689
>>15775696
Just wanted to tell you you're a good poster news-anon

>>15776019
Discovering alien life will not teach us anything useful about life on Earth.

>>15776081
Yeah I was thinking about Earth. If we make the reactor temperature low enough by default metldown should be almost impossible. Since the pressures and temperatures are so low (temps lower than 100 Celsius are often used for geothermal heating) explosions are also extremely unlikely. The only problem would be managing the radioactive waste

>>15776019
Space missions are not made easier or better through international cooperation, and in fact the opposite is true. Also living in space will not unify humanity, it will atomize it like never before, and that's a good thing.

>>15776085
His services are highly appreciated

>>15776090
The point of "international cooperation" is to embarrass politicians into maintaining some semblance of continuity during shifts of power in national governments.

Everything I Hate Can Be Blamed On Politicians: A Short Guide to Reality

>>15776089
What you're talking about pretty much already exists, look up the MMR from Global First Power. It's a reactor you ship to site and set up, it can't melt down, and it can provide both electricity and process heat. Also it makes 15 MW sustained thermal power.

>>15776095
Yes but that's an outdated model. Today commercial entitirs are doing space shit and don't depend on political whims anymore. Starship is the biggest example of what I mean.

>>15774586
new Jurveston just dropped

>>15776090
a International Moon Base would be nice from a funding perspective if it gets different countries to one-up each other
adding sections or whatever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXWUOoq7ry4

MunroLive + Estronaut

>>15776096
Pretty cool. I think this technology has some potential

>>15776107
do you have the one where the 2 scientists point at JWST

>>15776114
https://youtu.be/tkPc5EFWR00?si=hTY1v6XMHLExOf9G&t=509
I thought this guy had a reputation as a straight shooter? Aliens, FTL, anti-grav. Senescence, trolling, or genuine belief?

Sierra Space raises $290m: crew Dream Chaser is coming
https://techcrunch.com/2023/09/26/sierra-space-raises-290m-at-a-5-3b-valuation/

>>15776005
I know a bunch of people going to see the launch, should be cool

Estronaut posted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE1HZAPPSrE

Idle discussion topic re: government shutdown
What was the last rocket (or even just a stage) built by NASA employees?

>>15776132
Peroxide + kerlox glowie engine

>>15776129
What's interesting is how much of that money is Japanese...

>>15776140
well to be fair everyone is working on their own spaceflight capabilities, japan doesn't want to send its astronauts on falcon 9s forever
ESA too

>>15776136
they did that?

>>15775920
The political take is that its future depends on how good NASA was at spreading out their contractors. California's politicians are remarkably unpopular in Congress right now.

>>15776126
two boomer nutjobs talking about gravity.

>>15776132
Damn I hope they talk about turbopumps in the video

>>15776148
MOOODS

>>15776151
??

>>15776142
The future is small nations sending up little cuck shed crew capsules to dock with a Starship in LEO.

>>15776142
Think one will fit on a H-3 if Vulcan doesn't work out?

>comfy landing thread
we are going to make it

>>15776112
More progress would be made if multiple different countries were actively competing for the best Moon base, rather than collectively patting themselves on the back and hugging it out because they succeasfully added another 100 cubic meter inflatable storage closet to their shared base.

>>15776120
It's getting interest from governments that have a lot of remote communities that currently rely on expensive fuel shipments to provide limited electricity. Each one is a ~4MWe power supply, and if you want 40 MWe you can just place ten units next to each other inside the same sized security area.

>>15776136
idk, jupiter missile?

>To celebrate the USNRL Centennial NRO announced the declassification of PARCAE, an electronic satellite program developed in the 1970s by the NRL.

https://twitter.com/NatReconOfc/status/1707408183789002818

>>15775541
>all those starlinks gathering around starship
Musk really has ruined the night sky

>>15776139
If I were designing a Venus surface sampler probe I'd do it like this
>probe is hung from a semirigid balloon and is neutrally buoyant at any altitude between 65km and 0km
>probe has limited side to side maneuverability but strong up-down maneuvarability
>probe electronics are housed in a titanium sphere to keep the pressure inside at a few bar
>probe has a powerful heat pump connected to a tank (more on this later)
How it works
>to prep for surface sample, the probe loiters at ~60km while running its heat pump with the valve on the connected tank open to atmosphere
>the heat pump evaporator coils get cold enough to start forming dry ice, as the CO2 freezes out
>this continues until the tank is full of frozen CO2, and the valve shuts
>probe turns off its heat pump and puts full battery power to its propellers to descend rapidly, a kilometer per minute or so
>Probe reaches the surface in about an hour
>Heat pipes embedded in the CO2 tank prevent the electronics in the titanium sphere from overheating. The CO2 tank self pressurizes until it forms liquid CO2, then supercritical CO2. If more cooling is needed the valve vents some gas to cool it further.
>samples are collected by simply ramming a tool into the ground at several meters per second.
>Ascent begins immediately and at full speed. The probe returns to high altitude before using a robotic arm to investigate the material it's collected & start the sequence over again. Prior to the next sampling run any leftover material from the previous sample is dumped.
>photos and other instrument data are collected during the course of the entire sampling run & during sample processing.

The only iffy tech requirement I can think of in the concept above is the need for solar panels that can survive being baked at over 400C for roughly two hours per sample run, repeatedly. Maybe retractible ROSAs that hang below the balloon and get stowed in insulated housings prior to every dive?

>>15776218
hmm seems complex how about we spend 12% less money and do another basic lander with a two hour mission duration before the heat kills it. That'll be 12 years and $1.8 billion plus tip thanks

>>15776089
>>15776011
https://www.powermag.com/district-heating-supply-from-nuclear-power-plants/
>According to the International Atomic Energy Agency, about 43 nuclear reactors around the world—mostly in Eastern Europe and Russia—provide district heating in addition to generating electricity.

Well /sfg/?

>>15776232
So you're saying it may be technically possible to do nuclear district heating

>>15776234
I remember doomers at the time saying nothing would launch before 2030.

>>15776234
Musk haters rewriting history again lmao.

At the time, it was seen as nothing more than a pipe dream.

>>15776218
easy there, Jules Verne

>>15776234
>Elon said SpaceX would be ready to send humans to Mars by 2024 but it took them until 2032! Frauds!
total deboonker death

>>15776247
Do you have criticisms?

>>15776234
Another day another tweet to keep the golems hooked.

What's happening with tower in Florida?

>>15776236
It's just plumbing with hot water in it. Of course it's technically possible

>15776258
>man says M1s would've burned you at the stake for suggesting ITS wouldn't get to orbit after 7 years
>somehow this convinces people that starship launch is just around the corner
I struggle to understand.

>>15776165
Actually when I look into this, Japan is not quoting ANY numbers for the H3 to LEO: they don't want to compete with SpaceX. If the H-IIA is any indication though, at a minimum it can do 10t to LEO which more or less could handle the entire Dream Chaser + Shooting Star and cargo. The H3 is 5.2m diameter though, slightly narrower than the Vulcan. There's concept art of it on top of an Atlas V, so maybe that isn't as big a deal as it sounds.

>>15776273
it's a joke silly

>>15776327
That's one chonky model M
probably increases the total weight by 5kg

>>15776234
I was sure covid would slow it down to destruction.

>turbo censorship
Average golem unfazed, in fact it will cheer and beg for more.

>>15776234
misrepresenting what was said as usual

>>15776234
I'm pretty sure they still have only landed falcon once on land that time.

>>15776343
I hope janny rangebans your ISP or country

Musk talking with Shapiro now on spaces if you care, its about antisemitism, X, freedom of speech

>>15776201
based little satellites

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1707293997918793988

>>15776234
to be fair Elon did say in circa 2017 that the first cargo ship would land on Mars in 2020. So the program pace has been much slower that was promised

>>15776273
>leaks radioactive water into your house

>>15776343
you've been fooled

>>15776356
Yeah I definitely don't care about those topics.

>>15776384
The water isn't radioactive.

>>15776351
The golem will beg for more censorship.

>>15776356
I like how he's talking to any Jew he can get his hand on ever since the ADL started attacking him. Any organization that asks for censorship should not have as much influences as the ADL. Twitter should simply let free speech run free and what we get is what we get

>>15776383
no one really believed him
this was around the time when the concept of elon time became a thing
and his timelines in these concept presentations were universally recognized as ridiculously ambitious

>>15776396
I'm against censoring your statements but you're still wrong. The EArth is Round!!!

>>15776356
okay its actually about anything almost, they are bringing up random influental jews to ask anything they like basically, like an ex-israel president, a rabbi, some podcaster
right now talking about big families and kids

>>15776019
Unless humanity can sort it's shit out space exploration will stall at some point. At best we'll get one or two short manned missions to mars, at worst we'll never even get man back to the moon.

>>15776402
People say "elon time" but then quickly forget NASA time or general space time by einstein.

https://www.nasa.gov/offices/c3po/home/spacex_falcon1_flight_4.html

SpaceX launched falcon 1 to orbit 15 years ago

Prove to me this guy doesn't work for the US military.

>>15776478
he's been with the secret agencies with a long time. They help him along wherever they can.

>>15776435
>>15776462
https://youtu.be/52dVfhgt_T4?t=694
https://youtu.be/eJK1gLHbOxA?t=1136

>>15776483
>>15776478
Meds

>>15776478
Why would anyone do that? SpaceX is very openly a major US defense contractor.

Northrop Grumman selects laser terminals for SDA transport layer satellites, Startup to demonstrate 3D printed solid rocket motors for the Air Force,
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https://spacenews.com/mynaric-optical-terminals-selected-for-northorp-grumman-satellites-pass-key-tests/
> Mynaric optical terminals selected for Northrop Grumman satellites pass key tests
> Northrop Grumman is producing 56 satellites for the Space Development Agency’s Tranche 1 Transport and Tracking Layer programs
> SDA, an agency under the U.S. Space Force, plans to deploy a mesh network of interconnected satellites. It includes a Transport Layer that will transmit data collected by a Tracking Layer of missile-detection sensor satellites. Each spacecraft is equipped with multiple laser communications terminals.
> Mynaric’s terminals will be integrated with Northrop Grumman’s 42 Transport Layer and 14 Tracking Layer Tranche 1 satellites to be produced over the next two years.
> Mynaric does not have an exclusive agreement with Northrop Grumman. The CONDOR Mk3 terminal was selected by Raytheon and other undisclosed SDA satellite manufacturers.
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https://spacenews.com/x-bow-to-demonstrate-additive-manufacturing-of-solid-rocket-motors-for-u-s-air-force/
> X-Bow to demonstrate additive manufacturing of solid rocket motors for U.S. Air Force
> The three-year contract, announced Sept. 26, is part of a $60 million agreement announced in April known as a strategic funding increase, or STRATFI. X-Bow’s contract includes $30 million in U.S. Air Force funding and $30 million in matching funds from private investors. AFRL’s $17.8 million contract covers a portion of the government’s share of the agreement.
> A solid propellant production line that traditionally would take anywhere from three to six years to stand up, “we’re looking to do that within 12 months” and at much lower cost, Hundley said.

>>15776019
NASA incompetence will kill an Artemis crew. No Apollo 13 victory from the jaws of defeat this time just pitiful deaths in deep space.

>>15776506
I actually had a nightmare about one of the SRBs bursting like picrel.
Solids scare me.

Eutelsat and OneWeb merge, articles from spacenews and CNBC, tl:dr Starlink is basically forcing GEO and LEO satellite operators to merge to compete
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https://spacenews.com/eutelsat-completes-multi-orbit-oneweb-merger-after-shareholder-vote/
> Eutelsat completes multi-orbit OneWeb merger after shareholder vote
> TAMPA, Fla. — Eutelsat has combined its geostationary satellite business with OneWeb’s low Earth orbit (LEO) constellation after shareholders voted Sept. 28 in favor of the all-share deal.
> OneWeb will operate as a subsidiary of the French operator called Eutelsat OneWeb and its center of operations will remain in London.
> “We can address a wider range of customer requirements and provide hybrid connectivity services where they are required worldwide,” Berneke said in a statement, adding: ”The Eutelsat-OneWeb combination has given us the scale, financial strength, and business proposition to capitalise on the significant opportunity.”
> Eutelsat’s OneWeb merger comes four months after Viasat, a geostationary operator based in California, snapped up Inmarsat of the United Kingdom for $6.2 billion in a satellite connectivity market facing growing competition from SpaceX’s Starlink LEO network.
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https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/28/eutelsat-oneweb-merge-to-create-satellite-challenger-to-musks-starlink.html
> Eutelsat and OneWeb combine to create European satellite giant as Musk’s Starlink pressures sector
> The two companies said in a joint statement Thursday that they had completed their all-share combination, which will see OneWeb’s constellation of low-earth orbit (LEO) satellites added to Eutelsat’s geostationary orbit (GEO) satellites.
> It comes as competition is heating up between different players in the multibillion-dollar space industry. Morgan Stanley estimates the industry could be worth more than $1 trillion by 2040.

solids > liquids (if reuse wasn't a thing)

>>15776506
what would the effect be on SpaceX?

>>15776511
>vibrates you to death

>vibrations
non-issue

but yes i agree solids is closer to what rockets are supposed to be
using advanced engines running on liquid fuel is just too... sophisticated

>>15776512
The SpaceX part will work fine, NASA/oldspace will kill them. Whether that's where public blame is fixed is another matter

UK Space Agency to provide funding for speculative projects, Germany gives 2 mil to fund offshore microlaunch development, Space Force officer thinks launch resiliency is low
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https://europeanspaceflight.com/uk-to-provide-65m-for-high-risk-high-reward-space-tech-projects/
> The UK Space Agency has announced plans to make £65 million of funding available for what it refers to as “high-risk, high-reward” projects that could boost the United Kingdom’s leadership in space technologies and applications.
> [...], UKSA aims to award 30% of the programme budget on technologies aimed at in-orbit servicing, in-orbit assembly, in-orbit manufacturing, and in-orbit deployment of large structures.
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https://europeanspaceflight.com/germany-commits-2m-euros-to-fund-offshore-launch-infrastructure/
> Germany Commits €2M to Fund Offshore Launch Infrastructure
> The German government has committed €2 million to support the development of infrastructure that would enable the country to support the launch of microlaunchers from German territory.
> German launch startups HyImpulse and Rocket Factory Augsburg (RFA), UK-based Skyrora, and T-Minus from the Netherlands all signed memorandums of understanding in 2021 expressing support for the GOSA North Sea platform. In July, representatives from HyImpulse, RFA, and T-Minus all confirmed to European Spaceflight that they still supported the project.
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https://payloadspace.com/opinion-space-launch-could-falterbig-time/
> Opinion: Space Launch Could Falter…Big Time
> Yet some questions remain unanswered, namely: What happens if the largest US-based launch centers are indefinitely disrupted?

>>15776534
my guess is quantum (cryptography or otherwise), uk is very strong in this field

>>15776535
meds

>>15776535
>Hey how could we make quantum computing even more expensive and impractical?

>>15776548
>>15776544
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clifford_Cocks
our geniuses do the impossible
t. britchad

>>15776555
Bro he has cock in his name lol

Melissa(male)

>>15776383
And that was before the Bidet FAA sat on the launch schedule like a gorilla on a scooter at walmart.

>>15776534
This guy over here wondering what would happen if Vandenberg and KSC get hit by hurricanes (nearly happened this year)
Well we got backups: Wallops specifically but also (if they wanted it bad enough) Starbase. High inclination stuff would probably have to figure out Kodiak.

We should invade new ghinny and take over the frog site.

>>15776478
He sells to the US Military, he doesn't need to work for them. He's actually huge pain in the ass for the current US executive because he's too rich to be cowed by bad publicity while the tech he owns (EVs, launch vehicles, Starlink) are too important to ignore. They can't shun him and go to his competitors because they're 5-10 years behind on all three sectors. On the EV front, they certainly tried before capitulating and making the Tesla plug the US standard.

>>15776019
>Give me your most aggravating sincere take about spaceflight.

Most people have no concept of how moving in space works, let alone how orbital mechanics work, because of pop culture.

>>15776140
H3 is big enough to get DreamChaser to orbit.

Imagine if Japan beat the EU in manned spaceflight as well.

>>15776618
I wouldn't be surprised. The Japanese would do it out of national prestige and ambition, ESA is driven by neither.

>Lucy will only do flybys
>Lucy's targets have extremely low orbital escape velocities
>Lucy doesn't return samples
>Lucy doesn't even have a lander
>Lucy has a unique satellite bus
>Lucy doesn't demo new technologies or achieve meaningful first achievements
Is Lucy NASA's most retarded robotic mission in recent memory? You're not going to get complete models of a trojan, like OSIRIS-REx did for NEO's, with Bennu. At best there will be a few good images of each target, with lots of fuzzy images of the far sides, from before and after each closest approach. And you won't learn much about the bodies' composition, besides what you can get from limited albedo measurements and a spectrometer whizzing by. Half a billion spent to be left doing guess work and connecting the dots, until an actual sample return mission happens or a lander does in situ observations. The only interesting thing about Lucy is the trajectory.
Also, JAXA will do a sample return mission from Phobos for roughly the same price.

negotiating offers is scary as a new grad with hardly any leverage :(

>>15776638
>Doesn't demo new technologies
It'll be the farthest a solar powered mission has ever gone from Earth

>Half a billion spent to be left doing guess work and connecting the dots
That's exactly how planetary science is done. "Ground truths" are used to calibrate an enormous stack of extrapolations. Now that there have been samples from other asteroids, Lucy's survey is going to use that context to provide more detail about the entire population. So they'll take their photos (albedo plus YORP = ...), get mass measurements (most important: porosity) and most importantly get statistically significant bulk data on a population mostly too small to be directly observed from Earth.

>>15776650
They know that, and they're going to lowball the shit out of you. It's up to you whether you want to take that and use it as a bargaining chip with a second party now or within two years, or counteroffer at least 15% more than they gave you. 20% if you think the lowballing is particularly bad.

>>15776638
Sometimes I wonder if Lockheed is corrupt

>>15776656
>Wonder
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_bribery_scandals
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Corrupt_Practices_Act

https://twitter.com/iafastro/status/1707406607842254875
> Thursday 5 Oct
> Don't miss it at 17:45 – 18:45 (GMT+4)
so 9:45 EDT on 5th October

>>15776654
>It'll be the farthest a solar powered mission has ever gone from Earth
Ok, I guess that's something to write home about, but it's not much further out than Juno.
>That's exactly how planetary science is done.
I primarily think Lucy is incredibly disappointing and underachieving compared to OSIRIS-REx, DAWN and JAXA's asteroid missions.

https://www.space.com/nasa-to-address-fiscal-concerns-mars-sample-return-mission

>>15776525
kill yourself now

>>15776668
>It's in Azerbaijan
I can see why Musk would only show up on a Zoom call

>>15776674
Yes JPL, please enlighten us about what would have surely crippled you in the ensuing investigation had Psyche not beaten it to the punch

>>15776613
that isn't aggravating anon it's just correct

>>15776674
i hate this msr concept so much it's unreal

>>15776674

>>15776672
nah It's a solid mission and a cheap one

>>15776674
Mars has no strategic value. We should be dominating the moon and NEAs. But we need more private companies to address this problem.

>>15776083
disagree
Venus might not ever be colonized but it’s still worth it to study, because it can teach us more about the earth

>>15776668
>baku
thats like saying you're hosting an event in moscow

>>15776019
SpaceX is somewhat soulless

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eX0vz_svZ4

>>15776507
thats got to be fake, the flame trail looks like a shitty ksp 1 particle effect.

>>15776383
>Promised
Elon has never promised anything by timetable, ever. Between Elon Time and ideas that don't end up working out, it seems to be the only thing people suffering from Elon Derangement Syndrome have to lock onto. He gives aspirational numbers that he'd like to see, but he never publicly gives numbers he's committed to.

>>15776035
He said not bait

>>15776730
yeah, these aspirations usually come with a lot of caveats and maybes that critics like to leave out

>>15776019
/sfg/ probably won’t last forever; and in in the time that it does exist, not a SINGLE person who ever frequented it and dreamed of space will ever make it past 100km. Not even suborbit

>>15776747
>>15776019

>>15776753
don’t you have AIDS or something to deal with, michael?

>>15776730
He promised pony

https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1707504199011860827

Orbital Reef might get cancelled due to disputes between Blue/Sierra Reef

>>15776771
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/28/blue-origin-sierra-space-orbital-reef-space-station-in-limbo.html
> Blue Origin, Sierra Space weigh future of Orbital Reef space station as partnership turns rocky
> Jeff Bezos’ Blue Origin and Sierra Space are navigating a potential end to the Orbital Reef space station partnership, according to three people who spoke to CNBC about the situation.
> Discussions are ongoing and CNBC sources described the situation as fluid.
> Shortly after unveiling the Orbital Reef project in 2021, Blue Origin won a $130 million contract from NASA for design work on the private space station.
> Those people, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss nonpublic matters, emphasized that discussions are ongoing and described the situation as fluid. But other development projects with more significant current contracts – such as Blue Origin’s Blue Moon lunar lander and Sierra Space’s Dream Chaser spaceplane – have taken higher priority for both companies, those people said.
> It’s becoming increasingly likely that Blue Origin and Sierra Space will go their separate ways, leaving behind joint efforts to develop Orbital Reef, according to those sources.

>>15776771
It means there hasn't been enough commercial interest to make it viable.

>>15776771
>orbital reef might be cancelled

Well it never even started so who cares. Once again Elon going to have to say "fine then I'll do it myself"

>>15776668
https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1707400883934253268
> Elon Musk will speak virtually at #IAC2023 on Oct. 5, with IAF president @ClayMowry interviewing the SpaceX CEO.
>This year's International Astronautical Congress is being held in Baku, Azerbaijan.

>>15776778
I like how they're talking about this like they CAN end it

Blue Origin is on the hook for $130 million to design the station and NASA's OIG can and has put people in jail for less

>>15776794
> SpaceX's Chief Engineer Elon Musk will provide an update on the design and development of Starship as SpaceX strives to fundamentally change the future of space transportation ad help make life multiplanetary.
> provide an update on the design and development of Starship
what do people think its going to be? Kind of doubt there will be much new info, probably just talk about the changes made like the hot staging ring

Holy shit you spaceniggers are brainwashed.
I double dog dare you to watch this doco. It's not going to be a waste of your life, you can't say you know better without actually watching it, it's free so you've nothing to lose and surely you have the ability to take an idea and reject it as being false if it's wrong... You have no excuses except for letting your ego get in the way and I promise you that if you can drop it long enough to watch the doco you'll come out of it well shook and infinitely smarter than you are now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hnrlyOvUcQ

>>15776802
>it's free so you've nothing to lose
Except an hour of my time. I can't say you're making a good sales pitch for me to give it to whatever this steaming pile is.

>>15776802
I wasted 2 seconds of my life watching it and that's enough. Thank you and don't come again.

>>15776802
holy shit what a schizo video lmao

>>15776802
janny, rangeban this faggot already

>>15776806
You're on 4chan, you know you've got the time but you're letting your ego stop you
>>15776807
You forgot to drop the ego mate
>>15776808
It's only schizo if you're a globetard that refuses to learn the truth.
Since you fellas are globetrannies that refuse to check your egos and watch a long video have fun with this very small proof that we can see entirely too far for the globe math to be true.
No math, no globe, simple as.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Lzrrx-SeQ4

>>15776796
probably some info about raptors (past, current and future specs), he will probably also talk about future goals for Starship (stretching, variants, etc.)

BREAKING — Kazakhstan will follow the sanctions regime against Russia, President Tokayev says. The country does not have any concerns regarding territorial claims from the Russian Federation, he added.
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1707372046257131718

>>15776796
Its gonna be an update on whats happened since 2017.

>>15776813
Jannies are down there with the worst of them for censoring people and worse still doing it for free.
Boot licking faggots like yourself that look up to them though are pure dalit scum. Shame be upon you for appealing to authority to censor another person especially when they're dropping such truth in your lap!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEaHjPF47_E

>>15776611
https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/wife-elon-musk-arrested-trespassing-spacex-18392826.php

> Cameron County Sheriff's Office deputies arrested a woman claiming to be Elon Musk's wife on Tuesday, September 26. Su Young Boudreau, 41, was arrested on Tuesday at a SpaceX Industries facility in Brownsville for alleged criminal trespassing, according to a Facebook post from the Cameron County Sheriff's Office.
> SpaceX security provided a statement to deputies after they arrived at the facility.
>"As per the security personnel, a female was found wandering inside an 'only employees' building, she was asked to identify herself and she claimed to be 'wife of Elon Musk,'" the post read.
>Deputies verified that Boudreau wasn't affiliated with SpaceX, and was not Musk's wife. Security footage confirmed her presence in the restricted area, according to CCSO.
>Boudreau was warned to stay away from the facility in a report filed on Monday, September 25, by CCSO.
> "Boudreau insisted she was heading home to her husband (Musk). Boudreau was placed under arrest and charged with Criminal Trespass, a Class A Misdemeanor," the post stated. The 41-year-old was transported and booked into the Carrizalez-Rucker Detention Center without further incident, the post states.
>The cause of what appears to be swelling around one of Boudreau's eyes is not explained in the post.
>The SpaceX Brownsville facility also made some news last week after proposing a dump of 200,000 gallons of treated wastewater into the South Bay at Port Isabel, according to a MySA report. Port Isabel City Manager Jared Hockema was concerned the freshwater added to the wastewater will change the salt balance in the bay.

Second attempt at this hopefully soon.

>>15776820
i dont fucking care janny should rangeban your entire country from /sci/ and i dont care if i get hit in the blastwave

>>15776820
why don't you post this on /pol/ instead?

>>15776819
Also probably not too many new updates to be expected. So don't expect anything new for 99% of the talk.

>>15776829
"We got launch approval, I'll see you at Starbase tomorrow."

>>15776771
KEK

Axiom seems to be the less vaporware of the commercial space station projects, though I wouldn't bet on it actually happening.

>>15776838
Are you an idiot? Axiom is the only one that’s actually going to happen

https://the1a.org/segments/the-future-of-elon-musk/

Ashelee Vance did a podcast

>>15776846
Ashlee Vance is a retard, just can't force myself to listen to him after that Starship update spaces
Musk probably stopped doing those due to Vance being such a cunt
If I remember correctly, Vance asked about twitter/X and other absolutely irrelevant bullshit instead of specifically about Starship

>>15776846
Fud Podcast about Musk being evil

>>15776843
If you're a true spaceflight fan you should know not to count on anything happening until shit's on the launchpad with a firm launch date

>>15776846
Deleting cause its absolute dumpster fire podcast from NPR

>>15776778
That doesn't last long

>>15776874
It was a way to shut out SpaceX.

>>15776771
>>15776778
>>15776779
inb4 spacex somehow has a starship station before bezos despite being uninterested

>>15776871
>absolute dumpster fire podcast from NPR
Shit now I've got to hate watch it for the fun

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1707518489584660992

>>15776879
Spacex could put up the largest-volume station in history as a demo mission/side project for a spare engineering team.

>>15776795
NASA's OIG is completely toothless lmao wut?

>>15776892
based

article about it from NASA 15 years ago >>15776462

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1707525800830828619

Elon livestreaming from Eagle Pass

>>15776823
hopefully they dont kill as many plovers this time.

>>15776907
That shouldn't be difficult. They didn't kill any the first time.

The only thing they found killed at the launch site was a handful of blue crabs and a few bobwhite grouse eggs (which subspecies was not specified).

>>15776911
Crabs had it coming. Jury's out on the grouse.

>>15776904
>liquid fuel
THAT'S RIGHT SPACEX
BOW TO THE OG PRIVATE ORBITAL ROCKET

>>15776917
there is no excusable reason to use solid rockets unless you are an amateur.

>>15776892
>all those women
No wonder it took them 4 tries

>>15776930
life is a lot better when you don't hate women anon.

based or cringe? call it.

>>15776937
>expendable
cringe

>>15776937
very based, and it probably would work.
I don't think it would be as useful in the private industry as falcon 9, but it would've been amazing if NASA had done this instead of the shuttle.

>>15776892
>September 28, 2008
>Alternate timeline
>Falcon 1 blows up
>SpaceX closes
how much history changes?

>>15776943
yeah, there is no excuse not to go to mars by the 90's at the latest with that kind of payload to orbit.

>>15776941
they allegedly planned to recover the first stage somehow, but maybe it would be impossible due to the size.

>>15776929
Sure there is. They’re easy as hell to design, compared to liquids, and they’re basically free thrust.
>your brand new space program/ company is struggling to design a high thrust engine?
>no problem. Just throw a couple SRBs on there and get your TWR up

>>15776945
>NASA cliams it will have humans on the Moon again by 2030
>nothing happens
>deadline passes
>nothing happens
>NASA cliams it will have humans on the moon by 2069 to celebrate the 100th anniversary of appolo
>nothing happens
>deadline passes
>by this point most people beleive the moon landings were some allegory and never actually happened
>space futurism is dead
>rocket launches are gradually curtailed and banned to tackle climate change
>the end

>>15776937
What about the midge model?
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=45364.0

>>15776613
I don't hold this against normies. it's so different from anything they have experienced they would need to be deliberately taught it to understand it. plus plenty of pop culture gets it basically right, they just leave it in the background because it's not the focus of the story:
2001, apollo 13, interstellar, the martian

>>15776958
>They’re easy as hell to design compared to liquids
If you want to get as much efficiency out of them as you can, and you do since their basic efficiency is crap, you need to do some pretty involved voodoo with the grain designs and burn patterns.

>they’re basically free thrust
Since SRB contain fuel and oxidizer mixed together they're considered dangerous ordinance and are as big a regulatory pain in the ass as hypergolics. Also, none of the propulsion experience is going to be transferable to liquid-fuel systems later on, so you're really just dumping work into a dead end skill tree. You might get something transferable from the avionics, but that's it.

>>15776945
>Musk an heroes (or at least gets jaded)
>Russia continues to exponentially raise soyuz seat prices while their launch infrastructure and institutional knowledge slowly degrades
>sls stays more or less the same, but artemis has a bit more graft, which means even less money for non artemis stuff
>china dominates LEO, US military in a continuous state of being disgruntled about it, MIC pushes for ludicrously expensive 'solutions' that don't go anywhere
>esa remains relevant for longer by outpricing the americans
>india dominates the launch market with rideshare
>rocketlab is more successful, still not very ambitious, doesn't bother with reusable rockets
>Bezos gets lots of contracts from NASA, still doesn't make orbit. public outcry involved, a few hopium overdosers still believe in GRADATIM FELOCITER

>>15776771
>Orbital Reef is kill
at this point its going to be axiom vs vast

>>15775534
Serious question, if the government shuts down who's gonna stop SpaceX from launching?

>>15776818
its nothing. if it were a real problem russia would just invade kazakhstan.

>>15776019
Unless we discover something completely new, Interstellar travel is prohibitively expensive in terms of materials and energy to the point it's functionally impossible. Same for terraformation.
Most people don't care about space colonization and nothing will change that unless it ever represents a personal gain for them (mainly financial gain).

>>15776989
Rocketlab is total shit. I dont know why people in the space colonization crowd give them any praise when they have no ambition whatsoever. I have more praise for blue origin because aat least their goal is O'Neil cylinders rather than launching tiny gay payloads to orbit forever. I saw an interview between Robert Zubrin and the CEO of rocketlab, Zubrin enthusastically suggested imrpovements for Rocketlabs Venus mission and the way the CEO dismissed him made my skin crawl, basically showed that he has zero interest and is only doing it for the publicity.

>>15776911
I believe them

>>15776945
By this point, the COTS ball was already rolling and the Shuttle was on the way out. Private spaceflight had already reached critical mass, but woukd not have had Elon's autistic push,nso everything would just be delayed. SNC or Blue Origin probably snaps up the contracts SpaceX would have got; Jeff gets LC-39A but does nothing with it. Starliner would have probably be kaunching regularly, since there would be pressure to move away from Soyuz. That is until it kills a crew because of go fever.

>>15776935
How so?

>>15776509
It's always a little bit cursed seeing mergers conglomerate logos

>>15777023
eutelsat oneweb will be starlink's only competition in a few years

>>15777017
>Jeff gets LC-39A but does nothing with it.
He's had LC-36 for eight years and still hasn't done anything with it

>>15776973
>none of the propulsion experience is going to be transferable
it transfers to larger boosters and also ICBMs

>>15776958
No startup goes for the SRB route. I guess hybrids are the closest that you get to them.

wen hop?

>>15776821
Imagine the nerve of this woman to call herself Elon's wife just because she was a surrogate for a dozen or two of his children.

>>15776945
None at all, because the federal government is going to destroy Space X in this timeline

>>15777063
It's still a dead-end tech for commercial spaceflight that's no where near cost efficient. Each GEM-63XL for Vulcan costs almost as much as the pair of BE-4s on the core.

>>15775749
they went through the effort of putting heat-shield tiles on it. does this mean they're abandoning the previous "let it crash into the ocean" plan?

>>15776019
Manned spaceflight costs too much, and generates headlines but very little useful science. The ISS is a waste of money. Artemis is a waste of money. There is no reason to send someone to Mars unless there is already a permanent base there that they can live at for an extended period. It's infeasible to send manned missions to the vast majority of the solar system. Long term space missions are only possible with technology like nuclear thermal or NEP, artificial gravity, and proven ISRU demonstrators as well as large scale local power generation and various life support systems, all of which are not being developed in favor of the current entirely performative manned spaceflight program.

>>15776234
SLS is a meme and still made it to orbit before Starship, there's a good chance Artemis II is gonna happen before Starship manages to hit orbit.

>>15777106
But SLS was the Ares launch vehicle and has been in the works for like 30 years.

>>15776499
elon musk's idea of
> starship will be able to send colonies to mars and enable point to point travel
basically translates to stratcom as
> we can deliver a couple ICBMs worth of nukes anywhere in under an hour

I have nightmares that Elon will go bankrupt due to Twitter and that Starship will never land on Mars.

>>15777006
It wouldn't come to that. Losing Baikonur launches wouldn't affect Russia significantly and they already want out of paying rent on the old wreck. Plesetsk and Vostochny can handle their utility launches just fine. Roscosmos would lose their last ~10 Proton launches but that's just good news for Angara 5. They'd also lose crew launch capabilities since Pad 31/6 is the only R7 complex set up for that, but that'd be more of an problem for NASA since we need both space agencies to have crew on board to keep station operations legal. If there was a chance that Russia was going to get shut out of Baikonur Washington would probably step in to negotiate something, at least until we get our own post-ISS stations running.

>>15776858
>Ashlee Vance is a retard
many such cases of tech journos bloomberg shidded out

>>15777112
starlink will save us

>>15777119
not if it gives us kessler syndrome first, then we're all fucked

>>15777112
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1707427445736100322
>Linda Yaccarino, CEO of X, said that the social media platform could turn a profit in early 2024. After months of turmoil, she says 90% of X’s top 100 advertisers have now returned
Once again, the fear was nothing more than bullshit.

>>15777121
Kessler syndrome is more popsci bullshit.

>>15777121
kessler syndrome isn't real

>>15777104
no, but they will probably skip the "let it burn up in the atmosphere" like they were previously planning for IFT-2 and 3
this hop will still crash in the ocean without trying to even simulate landing for some reason, though the booster will simulate landing (I think)

What is the point of all those spaceflight forums? Even here, we discuss the same stuff over and over again.

>>15777132
You just answered your own question.

>>15777132

>>15776989
BO might have gotten to orbit if SpaceX died. Many of the actually good engineers would have gone to BO instead of SeX. So we might have seen at least a few launches of new Glenn by now

>>15777132
>What is the point of all those x? Even y, we x the same stuff over and over again.

>>15777132
Daily news discussion dumbass.

>>15777123
>Kessler syndrome is more popsci bullshit
That doesn't stop every normie from trying to stop it politically

>>15777132
To post space waifus

>Ouyang Ziyuan, lauded as the father of China’s lunar exploration program, told the Chinese-language Science Times newspaper that the Chandrayaan-3 landing site, at 69 degrees south latitude, was nowhere close to the pole, defined as between 88.5 and 90 degrees.
https://time.com/6318208/chinese-scientist-questions-india-moon-landing-south-pole/

so we're just allowing india to redefine physical properties huh?

>>15777171
The nine dash philosophy knows no limits

>>15777171
>the state of the space race

>>15777136
BO doesn't have a problem with talent, it has a problem with management, just like oldspace does.

>>15777171
On Earth, 67 degrees north is the Arctic Circle
People generally describe things north of that line as "the north pole" despite that being inaccurate

>>15775534

Why are you browsing this thread? Why aren't you outside looking at the BIG MOON right now?

https://twitter.com/visual_iam/status/1707554023623078066

>>15777185
>No center engine ignition after separation
Welp, video's ruined.

>>15777185
Sounds like Carl Sagan's Cosmos OST.

>>15777182
clouds

>>15777182
it's only 4:30

>>15777181
It rolls off the tongue better than "north polar region"

>>15777178
Management problems quickly turns into talent problems.

>>15777171
I didn't view it as a polar lander, but if the chinks are bitching about it, then hell yeah it's a polar lander

>>15777171
fucking western space journalists don't do their homework and make fools of us all.

>>15777112
That is really sad anon, not the part about Elon but that you literally dream this

>>15777181
Tens if not hundreds of thousands of people live on the 69th parallel.

you will never be a real space power

>>15776943
>it probably would work.
it wouldn't, the rocket would vaporize all the water below it and would settle beneath the water. why do you think they decided to build a launch pad for starship?

>>15777157
I'm really glad my picture has become a staple of /sfg/ culture

>>15776019
We'll probably never encounter aliens in our lifetime. If we do, they'll just be mold/bacteria

>>15776478
You could write an article about literally anything and include words like "terrifying" and "hidden danger" to make NPCs afraid of it.

>>15777189
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kK_HGNOo9A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaMBmBeNvtM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l60STLk_new

>>15777186
Having all 6 engines ignite may not be necessary if the RVACs going into the ship are Raptor 3s putting out 270-275T of force. It's also probably advisable to do a staggered ignition where the RVACs ignite first and burn up to 3-5 seconds making sufficient gap between the booster and the ship before the central 3 SLs ignite for the extra thrust and to avoid punching a hole into the roof of the booster.

>>15777171
It's rover

>>15777171
>old chicom is angry the poos beat China to the Lunar south pole

69 degrees south is on the coast of Antarctica on Earth.

>>15777186
Tell us how long after separation that the center Raptors ignite.

>>15777325
Why would those raptors ignite at that altitude anyway? I thought those were only for landing

>>15776917
Hello Elias

>>15777301
>>15777344
They ignite a few seconds after clearing the first stage to provide thrust vector control (none on the RVCACs) and to minimize gravity losses, which more than offsets the reduced specific impulse and the effects of having three engines otherwise serving as dead weight during ascent.

BRos.......if the government shuts down....THE FAA and the FISH PEOPLE CANT STOP US
WE GAAN

>>15777315
kek

>>15777271
I'm really regretting bringing AI booba to /sfg/ culture now

>>15777388
Youre a faggot for doing that, making us suffer under all the other AI shit too. God I fucking hate that AI Elon spammer, no effort EVER put into posts by him

>>15777132
Nigga imagine what it was like in the Shuttle era

>>15776019
ESA is just NASA with a smaller budget

>>15776968
>it's not the focus of the story:
Gravity

>>15776795
> I like how they're talking about this like they CAN end it. Blue Origin is on the hook for $130 million

Oh Summer Child. Boeing walked away and didn't have to pay a cent, and neither will The Beej.

>>15777446
ESA arguably has more pork, and maybe less corruption.

>>15777453
"Boeing doesn't roll out of bed for anything less than $1bn".

>>15777171
It's kind of embarrassing that China wasn't the first to reach the South Pole of the moon. They had everything going for them, But the India beat them? yikes.

>>15777105
Yeah, they're always talking of doing science to help life back on Earth but it's bullshit. But it's necessary to sell it to governments/the general public.
The only goal of crewed spaceflight should be to advance crewed spaceflight itself.

>>15776019
Golems on suicide watch. Another day not leaving ball earth..

>>15777453
The origianl funding was 146 mil to develop it, boeing got 150 and delivered nothing? What the fuck? Shouldnt they at least pay some of it back
This creates very stupid incentives

>>15777579
Space is hard

I’ve seen two independent reports that Vega C return to flight won’t happen before late 2024.

Artemis 2 may seriously happen before e first successful Ariane 6 and Vega C commercial launches

Real camera views from inside an Apollo capsule during the launch and reentry sequences, restored in 4K/30 fps, with sound and detailed technical explanations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1SGDbpeFFg

http://www.tsagi.ru/en/pressroom/photogallery/

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1707655647645331826

>>15777136
Engineers can't do shit without a madman to drive them forward.

>>15777630

>>15777634

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1707657416752419037

>>15777638
cant wait til this fucker goes bankrupt in ten years and has to liquidate spacex

Rocket Report
---
https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/09/rocket-report-iran-launches-satellite-artemis-ii-boosters-get-train-ride/
> Rocket Report: Iran launches satellite; Artemis II boosters get train ride

Small Rockets
> Iran has launched a small satellite.
> FAA closes investigation into New Shepard failure.
> Space Force looks toward next responsive launch demo.
> ArianeGroup adds funding to reusable rocket company.
> Military awards contract for innovative solid rocket propulsion tech.

Medium Rockets
> SpaceX launches two more Starlink missions.
> Russia nears tests of beleaguered Angara rocket.

Heavy Rockets
> Blue Origin's chief executive is leaving the company.
> Two steps forward for Artemis II.
> Psyche launch delayed one week.

>>15777634
>ethical

>>15777659
Why would you be mad about a man pushing forward mankind's destiny among the stars unless your paycheck depends on the industry that's holding it back?

>>15777659
why would that happen? things seem to be going in the opposite direction
he will probably be a trillionaire in 10 years just from Tesla and then have another trillion from other ventures

>>15777662
I hate the word, same with 'stakeholders'. I'd prefer a world filled with rat mengeles than having to hear those words over and over again.

NASA delays Psyche for a week,
---
https://spacenews.com/nasa-delays-psyche-launch-a-week/
> NASA delays Psyche launch a week
> WASHINGTON — NASA has postponed the launch of the asteroid mission Psyche a week to update the configuration of thrusters on the spacecraft.
> NASA announced late Sept. 28 that it has rescheduled the launch of the spacecraft, previously planned for Oct. 5, for Oct. 12. A Falcon Heavy rocket will have an instantaneous launch window at 10:16 a.m. Eastern that day from Kennedy Space Center’s Launch Complex 39A.
> At a Sept. 6 briefing, project officials said they were working no issues with the spacecraft, making no mention at the time of any concerns about the spacecraft’s cold-gas thrusters. The main uncertainty at the time was whether a potential federal government shutdown in October because of a lapse in appropriations might affect the mission.

https://twitter.com/LaurieofMars/status/1707561513907810375
> Our @MissionToPsyche first launch attempt has moved out by one week to Thursday October 12. This is giving our team time to adjust and verify a change in parameter of Psyche’s cold gas thrusters, which are used to orient the spacecraft as soon as right after launch. (1/3)
> It’s so important that we get this right. These thrusters aren’t the main propulsion system, but they matter, especially right after launch, and we want to make sure we are using them in a very robust way when they are needed. We are confident the team is on track…(2/3)
> …to mitigate this concern, and we look forward to our launch in just 2 weeks! This is when @NASAJPL
really shines. Thanks to everyone who has been so supportive of our mission team, especially @NASAScience, @NASA_Technology @NASA_LSPand @SpaceX. Go Psyche, Go DSOC! (3/3)

NASA vid about Psyche
https://twitter.com/NASA/status/1707547546195820576

Where can I learn how satellites work?

>>15777667
it's over

Private Japanese company ispace gets NASA contract to land on the moon, China will try to do lunar far side sample return in 2024,
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https://www.space.com/ispace-moon-lander-update-nasa-clps-contract
> Japan's ispace nabs $55 million NASA moon landing deal, slips 3rd lunar launch to 2026
> In a media briefing held Thursday (Sept. 28), ispace representatives made a series of announcements that show the company is aiming to be a major player in moon exploration in the years to come. First and foremost, the Toyko-based company announced that it would be opening a new United States headquarters in Denver.
> From its new U.S. headquarters, ispace will manufacture its new Apex 1.0 lunar lander, which boasts dedicated satellite bays, increased protections for sensitive payloads and a projected payload capacity of 1,100 lbs (500 kilograms). ispace's Daniel Hanson said the lander will be able to "deliver and operate the most sensitive payload operations to the near side [and the] far side of the moon."
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https://spacenews.com/china-to-attempt-lunar-far-side-sample-return-in-2024/
> China to attempt lunar far side sample return in 2024
> HELSINKI — China will launch its Chang’e-6 lunar sample return mission next year in an attempt at a first-ever collection of material from the far side of the moon.
> The lander will attempt to collect 2,000 grams of material, both scooped from the surface and collected by a drill. An ascent vehicle will send a canister of collected samples back into lunar orbit for rendezvous and docking with the service module.
> Chang’e-6 will also carry international payloads. France is providing the Detection of Outgassing RadoN (DORN) instrument which will detect radon outgassing from the lunar crust. Sweden, with ESA support, will contribute the Negative Ions at the Lunar Surface (NILS) payload.
>An Italian passive laser retro-reflector will also be aboard. The ICUBE-Q cubesat for Pakistan is also part of the mission.”

Chinese lunar rover Yuty-2 has been driving around the moon for 4 years now

https://twitter.com/AJ_FI/status/1707666256625598753
> Good to see a new drive map from Yutu-2 in Von Kármán crater. Via DSEL. Four years and 8 months of roving on the lunar far side and counting. Panorama image in the next post.

>>15777680
the panorama

>>15777682
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yutu-2

> Yutu-2 (Chinese: 玉兔二号; pinyin: Yùtù Èrhào) is the robotic lunar rover component of CNSA's Chang'e 4 mission to the Moon, launched on 7 December 2018 18:23 UTC, it entered lunar orbit on 12 December 2018 before making the first soft landing on the far side of the Moon on 3 January 2019. Yutu-2 is currently operational as the longest-lived lunar rover[8] and the first lunar rover traversing the far side of the Moon.

Chinese light a candle on their space station, China launches another spy sat
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https://www.space.com/china-tiangong-space-station-light-match-fire-microgravity
> Watch Chinese astronauts light a match on Tiangong space station (video)
> The candle experiment would likely be impossible on the International Space Station, which has strict rules regarding flammable materials and open flames.
> Astronauts Gui Haichao and Zhu Yangzhu lit a candle during a live lecture broadcast from China's Tiangong space station on Sept. 21 to demonstrate how flames burn in microgravity. Strikingly, the flames appear nearly spherical, rather than the teardrop-shaped flames we're familiar with back on Earth.
https://videos.space.com/m/82sIIbPY/chinese-astronauts-light-a-match-and-candle-to-show-flame-behavior-on-tiangong-space-station?list=9wzCTV4g
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https://www.space.com/china-yaogan-spy-satellite-launch-september-2023
> China adds yet another Yaogan spy satellite to its orbital fleet (launch video)
> Yaogan 33 (04) is possibly a radar reconnaissance satellite.
https://videos.space.com/m/8mox3ucm/chinas-long-march-4c-rocket-launched-yaogan-33-04-satellite?list=9wzCTV4g

Worlds attempt to rendezvous with space debris ready to launch, EU to adopt space law in 2024
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https://spacenews.com/astroscale-inspector-satellite-ready-for-launch/
>Astroscale inspector satellite ready for launch
> WASHINGTON — Astroscale says a mission to inspect an upper stage abandoned in low Earth orbit, as a precursor to removing it, is ready for launch, but a recent launch failure will keep it on the ground for the time being.
> At a Sept. 28 briefing, executives with Astroscale said the Active Debris Removal by Astroscale-Japan, or ADRAS-J, spacecraft is complete and ready for its mission to rendezvous with and inspect an upper stage of an H-2A rocket.
> “This is the world’s first attempt to safely approach and characterize an existing piece of large debris through rendezvous and proximity operations,” or RPO, said Gene Fujii, chief engineer of Astroscale. “The key to the mission is demonstrating the most challenging aspects of RPO technologies.”
> The 150-kilogram spacecraft will launch on a Rocket Lab Electron and approach the H-2A upper stage left in low Earth orbit after the launch of the GOSAT Earth observation satellite in 2009. The spacecraft will then fly around the stage, 11 meters long and 4 meters in diameter, inspecting it with cameras to better characterize it for a future mission to remove it from orbit.
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https://europeanspaceflight.com/european-commission-launches-targeted-consultation-for-eu-space-law/
> European Commission Launches Targeted Consultation for EU Space Law
> The European Commission has launched a targeted stakeholder consultation for an EU Space Law that could be adopted in 2024.

>>15777082
I don't think Elon would hit that.

Clearly someone has HIT it, though.

10h to Starlink launch

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2023/09/starlink-group-6-19/
> SpaceX to close out third quarter with record-breaking Starlink mission
> With this mission SpaceX will add another 22 Starlink v2 Mini satellites to its Starlink constellation, bringing the total number of satellites launched to 5,200. Out of these, 4,827 remain in orbit while 4,199 satellites are now in their operational orbits.
> According to data from astronomer Jonathan McDowell, in the third quarter of 2023, SpaceX has added 502 satellites to its Starlink constellation. The company has also brought up to operational orbit 511 satellites since.
> At the beginning of the year, SpaceX was targeting to launch 100 times in 2023. The current pace would put the company at 94 launches by the year’s end but, as usual, an increase in cadence is expected in the remaining three months of the year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8mKreIf6Fk

>>15777176
kek

>>15777667
I wonder if the Psyche delay could have anything to do with this >>15776668
as these would have otherwise happened on the same day, and the public in general is probably more interested in Elon speaking instead of watching a random launch (if I had to guess) as Elon is a celebrity outside of space stuff as well (for better or worse)

>>15777171
a bit salty the indians got there first even though China has dominated moon missions/science lately

Look at that payload fairing on the Ariane 6, ready to fly interplanetary missions for the ESA!

>>15777719
Yeah yeah they surely got there.

>It still incredible to me that we built a particle beam weapon and launched it into space.
>The Beam Experiment Aboard Rocket (BEAR) produced a 1 MeV neutral hydrogen beam at 200 km altitude, visible to the onboard camera, with "no unexpected physics".
https://accelconf.web.cern.ch/l90/papers/th454.pdf
https://twitter.com/ToughSf/status/1707485329895391604

the fact that you people beleive in this stuff is laughable.

>>15777742
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oflWKLE1TCs

>>15777743
Polyus had a 1 megawatt CO2 laser which is gigabased. Too bad some retard slav fucked up the simple programming to get it to orbit

>>15777747
space is real chud

>>15777751
>blurry 10 second clip
>filmed with a door buzzer
Yeah it's totally not fake and gay.

stop replying, it just shits up the thread more

>>15777675
I guess that means ispace is american now.
>>15777747
You obviously haven't witnessed beautiful martian roggs. Make sure to save this one.

>>15777787
this one's my favourite.

>>15777787
thats from mars?

>>15777794
yeah, under a microscope though.

>>15777796
or at least very small, can't remember.

>>15777792

>>15777787
What if Mars is some powerful ayys Zen garden?

>>15777792
Roggs on Mars, or other celestial bodies, bother me. They're literally JUST SITTING THERE for BILLIONS of years, and this is the first time they are being gazed upon by life.

>>15777792
For me it's this

>>15777822
>They're literally JUST SITTING THERE for BILLIONS of years
that's all roggs on earth do too

>>15776821
>Chinese tactical infiltration methods