/sci/ - Science & Math

Very nice

circle all the ISRUable resources in this image

>>15772451
tfw each V2 mini launch is more than double the entire failed Viasat satellite that apparently cost more than $400M

Each Starlink launch probably costs SpaceX what like $20-30M in total all things considered? They bill $70M for a F9 launch so the raw cost probably isn't anywhere near there.

>>15772753
Water is one of the most precious resources, so I circle everything

>>15772753
your image is a square though

>>15772753

https://twitter.com/SpaceAbhi/status/1706728113202512150

More comments on MSR and JPL

>>15772753
the what?

>>15772755
>>15772765
wrong, that's frozen nitrogen and carbon monoxide.

>>15772772
delusional

>>15772772
You wish.

>>15772767
>when we defunded the space shuttle, did we cede human spaceflight to china and russia?
For a time, yes, yes we did.

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2023/09/lack-of-sls-rockets-limit-nasa-artemis-manifest/
SLS IN TROUBLE

>>15772740
>Pluto colony when

>>15772780
although, just like the SLS it certainly should have been cancelled and replaced with something better, just earlier and sooner.

>>15772740
The pressure at the bottom side of Pluto's ice crust should be around 60% of that of the deepest point in Earth's oceans. The pressure at the bottom of that ocean should be around 120% of the deepest point in Earth's oceans.
We already have crewed subs which could visit Pluto's ocean, but reaching the bottom will likely only be done with robotic vehicles that can be filled with incompressible fluid rather than gasses. For deep ocean mining, robotic sea floor vehicles could dig up rocky material and dump it into elevators which would then lift the material to the surface.

>>15772767
Anyone here on /sfg/ actually in favor of just biting the bullet and powering through MSR and its enormous cost?

I say cancel it. Who cares if china or india get samples before us. We’ve landed there so many times and done interesting in-situ science with big ass landers and rovers. There’s no “prestige” in being the first to retrieve samples if it means having to sacrifice three or four interesting mission proposals to clear up the accounting book

>>15772772
The mountains on the left are water. The rocky minerals are strewn throughout the water ice in small but plentiful deposits, in large enough quantity to get a significant industrial base built up long before needing to do deep sea mining.

>>15772794
why do you keep posting this incomprehensible schizograph?

>>15772794
now we need the hole left by FAA

>>15772791
I say cancel it and focus on a Starship based human Mars mission, and end up both dunking on the entire rest of humanity again while also getting over 9000 kilograms of Mars samples anyway.

>>15772791
Cancel it; not because of the cost but because of the biohazard risk
https://www.icamsr.org/

>>15772794
>hole left by FWS

>>15772794
lol

>>15772789
anon, why would you do that? It's silly. Even if you got down there in the first place AND managed to find and harvest enough material to make a second trip/batch economical, why wouldn't you cut out a huge chunk of the expenses and just set up shop at the bottom? I mean you already hauled yourself and your life support there.

>>15772803
okay I am now in favor of MSR. These retards deserve every panic attack they get. We're more likely to encounter a superplague by bringing up a sample of deep ocean mud than we are from sampling alien life.

>>15772791
cancel it and tell JPL to design a mass producible generic probe that is cheap

>>15772789
>The pressure at the bottom of that ocean should be around 120% of the deepest point in Earth's oceans.
DSVs that can handle that pressure aren't a problem. But operating such DSVs with tethers measured in HUNDREDS OF KILOMETERS is completely unprecedented. And doing any sort of reasonably productive mining with DSVs is also completely unprecedented.

>>15772808
not to mention, I can't imagine selling the silicates on some space market is going to be competitive: you're competing with the asteroid miners, who are probably going to be able to sell for cheaper, so why bring it back up at all?

>>15772808
use robotic subs to excavate, not crewed subs

>>15772812
you aren't going to sell them, you use them for local needs for the colony there

>>15772814
the colony where? if you're not exporting and this is purely a colonial venture, you do what all sensible colonialists do and place yourself as close as possible to the valuable resources.

>>15772781
https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1706724595108282844

>>15772808
>anon, why would you do that? It's silly.
To provide large volumes of silicates and metal oxides to feed an industrial civilization, beyond what can be produced by mining the icy crust.
>Even if you got down there in the first place
Relatively easy to do with robots, which can withstand GPa of pressure if they don't need to support a low pressure internal vplume
>AND managed to find and harvest enough material to make a second trip/batch economical
The sea floor will be made of rocks. R9cks are the goal, not so much specific mineral deposits, though those would be valuable too.
As for "making a second trip economical", I thonk you misunderstand how prospecting works. The search is an investment. Once you find a valuable enough location, you invest in mining infrastructure.
>why wouldn't you cut out a huge chunk of the expenses and just set up shop at the bottom? I mean you already hauled yourself and your life support there.
I specifically said you would not send people to the bottom of that ocean, due to the extreme pressure making habitable volumes extremely difficult to maintain, for no gain. Just use ROVs. I'm also talking about large scale mining operations hauling up megatonnes of minerals per Earth year to feed a large scale industry. This is not something anyone would do to start off Pluto colonization.

>>15772818
colony on the surface because living 400km under the surface is gay (and more difficult to build permanent infrastructure than near the surface)

>>15772781
>>15772820
>SLS in trouble
SLS won't be "in trouble" until Congress cancels it, which at this rate will be never.

>>15772818
Pluto and the Kuipers will be for those who missed out on the prime real estate. They'll kill visitors for the metal fillings in their teeth

>>15772821
>To provide large volumes of silicates and metal oxides to feed an industrial civilization, beyond what can be produced by mining the icy crust.
see >>15772812
>>15772822
Is it? all that ice is free rad shielding, and being 400km closer to the resources may be worth the difficulty.

>>15772811
So is space colonization.
Yes, mining Pluto's sea floor would require a suite of new tech. So would getting to Pluto in the first place. "We haven't done it before" is not a real issue.
Anyway, modern ROVs use tethers up to 11 km long, transoceqnic cables can be thousands of km long, and with competent designers the power and communications cables can be close to neutrally buoyant, removing most tensile strength concerns. As for cargo hauler cables, those will need to be quite strong, but can still take some advantage of buoyancy so that the cable's strength is mostly used to lift the rock bucket rather than the cable itself.
It's a logistical challenge andI'm not saying it would be easy or trivial in any way, I'm saying it's something that could be done with modern tech if we had the incentive, and Pluto settlers will both have better technology and a very strong incentive to do something like this.

>400 kilometer DSV tether
>so strong it can support 400 kilometers of itself
If you could build this, you could build a space elevator which would make the entire discussion of mining on Pluto moot. Prove me wrong.

>>15772825
you don't need to be 400km under to provide shielding, something like 10m is probably enough already, but being under pressures equivalent to Marianas trench is going to make everything just unnecessarily complicated

>>15772812
Nobody is going to ship minerals across the solar system at rates competitive with local mining, with few exceptions. As a rule, all settled objects will reduce their resource costs and vastly increase their resource pool by mining their local terrain.

>>15772827
>prove me wrong
all deep diving tethers use some form of neutral buoyancy. you're simply stupid

>>15772827
400km underwater on pluto is shorter than 400km straight up on earth

>>15772818
"As close as possible" in this scenario means "several hundred kilometers above the sea floor, somewhere in the ice crust" because building large habitats at the bottom of a 1200 bar ocean isn't feasible or practical, maybe not even possible.

>>15772827
its about 340km, half of that is the ocean (which will provide buoyancy), the gravity is 1/15 of earths
and a space elevator on earth? irrelevant for a colony on pluto, you aren't going to send substantial amount of raw materials to or from pluto

>>15772830
Even then it has inertial mass, meaning you can't accelerate it quickly without snapping it. So it will probably take weeks to lower and raise the DSV even once.

>>15772825
Ten meters of water ice and you're down to Earthlike rad dose rates. Building large habitats super deep is a waste of effort, it's much easier to build large on the surface then clad in ice shielding as needed, not to mention industries which make lots of waste heat need to radiate that heat into space or else they'll start softening and melting the ice around them, which is kinda like building in a deep swamp. Not ideal.

>>15772838
>Ten meters of water ice and you're down to Earthlike rad dose rates
Yeah but is it worth freezing your balls off?

Its very simple - volatiles will be sent to where the sunlight and metals are. When all the volatiles are stripped from a body like Pluto then the mediocre silicate core will be sent piecemeal to the inner system too.

>>15772842
lol

>>15772827
Transporting materials billions of kilometers across the solar system will never be cheaper than mining those materials locally, and the only time a colony would import a significant amount of the materials it requires would be during the initian colonization effort. The whole point of the first colonization wave is to build out ISRU of enough local materials to cut imports anyway. Pluto seafloor rocks will be much cheaper to Plutonians than asteroid belt rocks would be to Plutonians.
I think your misinterpretation is that you think I'm saying mining Pluto would be better than mining asteroids. No, I'm saying when people who want to colonize Pluto go do it, their local resources will be their cheapest option. See the difference?

>>15772842
actually, I think you will find the pluto colony quite comfy

>>15772843
can't escape the globohomo even in the post-scarcity space age

>>15772848
how did they prevent gassing themselves from the fire?

>>15772847
>when people who want to colonize Pluto go do it
No one will want to. What would be the point?

>>15772836

That isn't how cables work first of all, and secondly you don't raise and lower it numbnuts. You use it at the sea floor to supervise mining vehicles and you lift material using a huge loop of cable that goes around and around like a conveyor belt. When you have loaded containers of rocks to lift, they go into a jig then a hook catches one of the cable's hard points as it passes by. The cable reefs, tension builds up, and the container lifts upwards.

>>15772856
>>That isn't how cables work first of all
Yes it is. Cables have mass, how fast you can pull them is a function of their mass and tensile strength.

>>15772842
The ice would be on the outside of the pressure hull which would be airgapped and insulated from the interior moisture barrier membrane, so you could have Hawaii's climate indoors despite being surrounded by deep cryo ice outside.

>>15772852
They didn't. You'll notice a lot of the bizarre accounts and traditions from ancient times has a very close correlation with what happens in carbon monoxide poisoning

>>15772852
They put in a little chimney (legit)

>>15772852
Gas can't hurt you, it's just gas.

>>15772854
People can wamt things just because they want them. Don't see the point? Then don't go.

>>15772848
If some ayys had deposited an Eskimo tribe in Antarctica, could they have made a go of it or is it too harsh even for their skills?

>>15772858
You can haul up 300km of neutrally buoyant cable without worrying about tensile strength because the maximum amount of tensile force exerted on the cable occurs at the point of the winch, and since the cable is neutrally buoyant you have pretty much zero starting tension, and as long as you don't haul so hard that you snap the cable right at the winch the cable will not snap anywhere.

The only limit to top speed of cable hauling is friction with the water at higher velocity. This is a small force even at tens of km/h, which means there would be no problem lifting something 300km in a day or so.

>>15772740
Alien life schizos at it again.

>>15772867
>as you don't haul so hard that you snap the cable right at the winch the cable will not snap anywhere.
that's the problem; you can't haul it in fast so it takes a week to lift your DSV 400 km

>>15772820
Oh no how are we going to get to the moon without SLS?? NASA obviously needs more funding #teamspace

>>15772866
They'd have hunted the penguins to extinction in a few centuries then basically lived life as they did in the arctic, hunting seals and whales and fish and so forth. It wouldn't be any harder than living in the arctic really, though it would be almost impossible for them to leave.

>>15772866
(ignoring the fact that modern eskimos mostly lost their survival skills because the government gives them houses...)

They would be at a serious disadvantage because they wouldn't have access to the resources they're accustomed to. No reindeer, bears, or other large land mammals. They would instead have penguins to eat, but they would have to find new animals to craft things from and penguins wouldn't be suitable for most of it. They might be able to make their boats out of leopard seal skins. If that doesn't work then they'd probably be screwed.

>>15772869
No it would take a day, like I said. Maybe less.

>>15772874
It takes several hours to raise a DSV a few kilometers on Earth, it will take a hundred times longer to go a hundred times further. Several days at least

>>15772873
Antarctica has more than just leopard seals though, and inuit hunted whales as well.

>>15772879
Yes they can hunt whales, assuming that leopard seals are good enough for their boats. They probably are, but they'll probably need to sew more of them together. Also leopard seals are a lot more dangerous. They might still die because they don't have access to proper animal furs. But maybe they could make do with penguin feathers...

>>15772877
A hundred times further would be 1100km you moron.
It takes as little as 70 minutes to ascend from Challenger Deep, 10,900m. At that rate it takes 24 hours to ascend 220km.
This will blow your mind though: You don't need to raise any cables. You can just hang a cable once, and communicate to submersibles wirelessly from evenly spaced points along the cable, and have the submersibles ascend on their own power.

>>15772881
Antarctica has Ross seals, Weddell seals, crabeater seals, leopard seals, fur seals, and elephant seals. All but the leopard and elephant seals are as easy to hunt as the seals the inuit hunt in the north. They would never need to hunt leopard seals, though some may anyway for ceremobial purposes.

>>15772882
>best estimate he can give, using the most minimalist DSV, still works out to a full day of DSV lift on Pluto
and now
>DSV ascends on its own power
I think you've forgotten that the idea is to lift industrially relevant quantities of ore.

>>15772887
>Ocean transport takes weeks and sometimes months, and is therefore impossible
Ignoring the continuous elevator loop I already talked about for lifting the actual ores (I never once said use drones to lift the material), if one trip takes days, then use one hundred vehicles so you have a new ore load every few hours.

You still have not provided any fundamental reason why this would not work at large scale. You are pointing out trivial challenges that are easy to circumvent.

Why not raise rocky material using hydrofoils (underwater flight), buoyancy, or direct propulsion?

/sea floor general/

>>15772904
kek

>>15772740
Faggot phony musk and his twitter kikewhore handler can shove his stupid rocket in their stupid asses, if they think they can do the same judeosatanic totalitarian bullshit everywhere else
Future my ass

>>15772911
I'm sorry, but the rocket launches will continue

>>15772903
and use batteries?

Why did they do this?

>>15772772
>carbon monoxide
usable as feedstock with the water to produce methane fuel
>frozen nitrogen
usable with the water and carbon monoxide to make some hypergols, refrigerants, and organic compounds including nitrogen fertilizers

>>15772932
Looks more like Goering.

>>15772820
meanwhile, no words about the artificially low flight rate of Starship due to regulatory burden

>>15772809
>We're more likely to encounter a superplague by bringing up a sample of deep ocean mud

Uhhh about that...

I am ready to die

Brits developing fingernail sized microsatellite thruster that uses water as propellant, Portugal adopts new space law, Congressman wants to simplify space agency responsibilites (also has an interview with the dude)
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https://spaceref.com/newspace-and-tech/ice-cube-mini-thruster-could-propel-deep-space-missions-with-water/
> ICE-Cube Mini-Thruster Could Propel Deep Space Missions With Water
> The thruster project is called the Iridium Catalysed Electrolysis CubeSat Thruster (ICE-Cube Thruster), and is based at the United Kingdom’s Imperial College. It’s a tiny thruster, just fingernail-sized, and uses only 20 watts of power to produce electrolysis (through hydrogen and oxygen.)
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https://europeanspaceflight.com/portugal-adopts-new-space-law/
> Portugal Adopts New Space Law
> Portugal has adopted a suite of new legislation aimed at regulating the licensing process for space objects, whether launching and returning vehicles to and from space or placing satellites into orbit.
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https://payloadspace.com/rep-eric-sorensen-on-space-travel-safety-and-shuttle-ties/
> Rep. Eric Sorensen on Space Travel, Safety and Shuttle Ties
> Rep. Eric Sorensen (D-IL), the ranking member of the House space subcommittee, pointed out the multitude of groups that have a hand in regulating spaceflight, from the FAA to the FCC to the Commerce Department to the DoD. He said it’s something he wants to address in the NASA reauthorization bill, which Congress is in the midst of considering.
> “There are so many different agencies that require collaboration, and at each one of these intersection points, I’m worried that there is a crack in safety,” Sorensen told Payload. “Those are some of the initial things we’ll have to solve as commercial spaceflight takes center stage.”

>>15772967
What was that object?

>>15772975
Prob the recent vega failure?

Opinion piece argues legislating space as critical infrastructure is a bad idea, Second opinion piece about the same subject arguing that the proposed legislation is too rushed and simplistic (basically arguing against it as well)
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https://spacenews.com/the-race-for-more-space/
> The Race for More Space: The flawed logic behind making space a 17th Critical Infrastructure
> A bipartisan group of lawmakers recently introduced the Space Infrastructure Act, which pursues a recommendation made by the Cyberspace Solarium Commission 2.0 to designate space as the 17th U.S. critical infrastructure sector. While it’s encouraging to see Congress considering this issue seriously, designating space as a critical infrastructure sector puts form over substance and would not actually address the risk posed by adversaries like China and Russia or from natural phenomena such as space weather. This legislation would only harm the rapidly evolving space industry and further dilute the limited government resources directed at ensuring the security and resilience of our nation’s critical infrastructure.
> Despite their importance and prevalence, space systems do not and should not comprise their own critical infrastructure sector. To put it simply, there is no critical infrastructure function or service performed in space that does not already exist within one of the 16 extant critical infrastructure sectors, such as communications, transportation, information technology, and government facilities.
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https://spacenews.com/space-critical-infrastructure-breaking-the-binary-debate-and-a-call-for-space-council-action/
> Space Critical Infrastructure: Breaking the Binary Debate and a Call for Space Council Action

>>15772946
starship should be banned from flying from bocage Chica. make them haul those bastards to the Cape. Why would they put a launch site in a nature reserve?

>>15772975
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jules_Verne_ATV

>>15772997
>a launch site in a nature reserve
You mean like the Merritt Island National Wildlife Refuge? That would be awful.

>>15773003
starship is a dangerous and massive vehicle which thre chunks of concrete into the habitat of plovers and turtles before exploding.

>>15772791
I'm pro-canceling it because I want the Chinese to get a small victory that puts Congress back into space race mode for a manned Mars mission.

>>15772740
Reminder that getting a submarine to the bottom of the ocean is perfectly possible with 2010s technology, but communication would be very challenging.

>>15772791
fuck cancel it and fund many smaller missions.

>>15773014
the Chifags are nowhere. They have the gay long march rockets which are based on soyuz and that's about it. They have no launch vehicle to get humans to the moon or Mars and don't even plan on developing one despite claiming they will be on the moon by 2030 and Mars by 2023(lol)

>>15772972
thanks for the news

>>15773019
Yep, and even if they have a few spies in SpaceX, developing a Starship clone will be an immense technical challenge. Really what we need is another newspace start up to get support from EDS fags and provide SpaceX long term competition.

>>15772930
Batteries would work fine as long as the vehicles were ascending next to a power and communications cable with recharging terminals along the way for emergencies. Or they could use nuclear reactors. Hell they may be able to use nuclear batteries, kinda like RTGs except instead of a fission product they use a neutron activation product, and to recharge the battery it's swapped out of the vehicle and goes to bake next to a fusion or fission reactor's neutron flux for a few months. The battery makes constant heat and electricity in a solid state package which is robust against extreme pressure.

>>15772938
>carbon monoxide
>usable as feedstock with the water to produce methane fuel
Can also be used as a fuel directly when burned with oxygen, and can be used directly to reduce iron oxides to iron metal (the coke in a blast furnace produces carbon monoxide too, which is what actually does the reducing). CO is a very industrially useful gas, and it's pretty simple to make from CO2 as well, which is another point for why Mars is so attractive to try to build an industrial society.

>>15773015
Yes, and one straightforward idea to solve the communication issue is to invent a cable that has transmitter-receivers mounted every few hundred meters along the entire length, and hang many of these cables in a grid pattern a few hundred meters apart. Thus you gain total high bitrate connectivity down the entire water column in as wide an area as you've set up your cables across.

Scientifically what's stopping us from using neutrinos to send communication signals through entire planets

>>15773080
The immense neutrino flux needed to create a signal that is probably going to be caught and modulating it successfully. It'd be cheaper, higher bandwidth, and just plain easier to use a relay satellite to solve line of sight issues.

>>15773080
The sun is running out and will explode any second

>>15772972
>> Portugal has adopted a suite of new legislation aimed at regulating the licensing process for space objects, whether launching and returning vehicles to and from space or placing satellites into orbit.
and who do they think gives a shit?

ywnbtaotss

Space Elevators, yea or nae?

I just watched a video that says it'll never be possible or practical. What do you guys think?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5aHMB4Tje4

>>15773080
>neutrinos to send communication signals
it was done 11 years ago
https://www.symmetrymagazine.org/breaking/2012/03/14/scientists-successfully-communicate-via-neutrino-beam?language_content_entity=und

>>15773098
starship

>>15773090
I think its mostly about introducing any legislation whatsoever as they might host a launch site for Rocket Factory Augsburg
like if you took some random african country, its likely that they would not have any legislation about activities in space other than perhaps signing the space treaty or whatever

>>15773096
It will never be practical because space elevators unironically can't compete with reusable TSTO

>>15773096
not possible and even with magic materials the cost to orbit is going to be worse or on par with Starship
there are superstructures/space infrastructure that are theoretically possible that actually make sense like orbital rings and skyhooks
and stuff like launch loop that is theoretically possible (unlike a space elevator on earth) but not sure if it would actually lower cost to orbit

>>15773106
idk, if you get traffic on the order of millions of people going to and from space it starts to make sense - its quieter than hundreds of launches a day for one thing

>>15773113
I might be cynical but I don't think we'll ever get to a place where millions are going to space

>>15773106
>>15773107
Kind of disappointing, but thank you

pop pop boat engines are the future of space propulsion

>>15773122
oldspace has broken your spirit

>>15773014
Based
>>15773019
Cringe

>>15773096
Good if its built on the moon

>>15773113
Space elevators aren't good enough to allow that kind of throughput. They're actually quite limited. Also as two other anons mentioned, the optimistic hypothetical cost/kg to orbit that space elevator proponents used to wave around is actually on par with, or worse than, what SpaceX will hit with Starship.
People in 200 years will look at space elevators the same way we today look at 1800's depictions of flying machines and bizarre "future" machinery, pic related

>>15773153
Or Ceres, or really any other world with roughly Moonlike-or-less gravity and a reasonable rotation rate or parent planet.

The Boca Chica launch site still puts out a critically damaging level of light pollution at night. SpaceX has been repeatedly warned about this. Not a good look going into this FWS period.

>>15772740
Pluto wouldn’t have an ocean under the ice due to the lack of any notable heat source. It’s not a very large object so probably not much internal heat and unlike Europa it doesn’t have a massive planet and several large moons nearby to cause tidal flexing so it’s probably solid ice all the way to the rock.

Europa probably has an ocean.

>>15773167
the turtles need to learn

>>15773010
sounds good to me

>>15773169
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluto#Internal_structure
> Because the decay of radioactive elements would eventually heat the ices enough for the rock to separate from them, scientists expect that Pluto's internal structure is differentiated, with the rocky material having settled into a dense core surrounded by a mantle of water ice.

>>15773019
What if they use those rockets to construct a large multipart ship in orbit capable of travelling to Martian orbit and then sending a lander down with people?

>>15773175
c r y o v o l c a n i s m

>>15773180
aside from it taking years to build and will have to be done with storable propellants, a combination of which has resulted in exploded Chinese upper stages?

>>15772797
>incomprehensible
you're the only one who doesn't get it

>>15773175
Yeah that’s bullshit. It barely has any radioactive material and the heat generated would not create a distinct layer of ice but something closer to normal ice or even slush.

Pic related is actually for Europa but the fact the science on that moon is so uncertain about it’s internals despite it being in a far better situation to have liquid water just goes to show how much less of a chance Pluto has. Look I don’t mean to shit on this whole semi popsci idea about these ice balls actually having ecosystems of alien creatures under the ice, but if you are looking for that then Pluto is absolutely not the best object in the solar system and you are better off looking at Europa.

>>15773203
>>15773175
Forgot the picture

>>15773193
Well they did give 2033 as their date for going to Mars so that’s 10 years and they have made pretty good progress just in general when it comes to rocketry and space infrastructure so it would be foolish to doubt them being able to assemble a ship in orbit when they have already proven they can assemble a multipart space station without issue.

>>15773161
>RV's do not exist, Winnebago isn't a real company
the future is the past, young boy

>>15773161
This is why the chads propose laser reboosted skyhooks

>>15773203
I'll trust people who have done math about it more than retards on 4chan thanks

>>15773250
Driving houses are an example of tech they technically predicted but were way off on the details. What I didn't post were things like whale chariots and second floor personal airports, which were probably better examples of what I mean but weren't translated

>>15773266
what if that same retard was really loud, what if that retard got your family involved and got them to tell you you're retarded and the government and school and all your friends think you're retarded now. It couldn't happen to you right. It's not happening right now is it?

>>15773271
A lot of ideas are completely outlandish, but many came true with the aesthetics wrong. Much like how we in the present don’t realize space elevators will actually be space escalators, and oneill cylinders will be octagonal prisms.

https://twitter.com/ThePlanetaryGuy/status/1706757768139419952

> THE #OSIRISREx SAMPLE CANISTER HAS BEEN OPENED!!

https://twitter.com/RocketLab/status/1706845176982057112

how much revenue is SpaceX making from starlink a year currently? are there any estimates?
>>15772740
i miss discussions like this on sfg. good job op, for not being a faggot for once.

uhhhh cobbled together hot take on the asteroid mining discourse from miss planetary protection (me):

1. We don't really need it right now and shouldn't even consider it until the world almost entirely eliminates fossil fuels

>>15773289
2

>>15773292
>miss
dilate tranny. but no we definetly dont need asteroid mining right now, it's only use is in-orbit construction of extremely large space stations, and even then it will probably just be cheaper to use Starship at $10 per pound. the only place it maaayy be viable is extraterran massive space stations i.e. mars ONCE theres already infrastructure set up to build something that large like have the space for workers to sleep and such, so basically there is no use at all. atleast not in this century.

>>15773306
wooosh

>>15772796
theres going to have to be a shit ton of R&D for new mine engineering processes. should be exciting.

>>15773292
4. I'm trans btw, if that matters

>>15773281
Aaaand it's fucking nothing!

>>15773310
redditard speak, go back now. i dont give a fuck if i didnt understand youre inside joke, go back NOW

yikes...

>>15773314
It's ok, we here at /sfg/ are trans allies

https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/planets/dwarf-planets/pluto/plutotime/
>Pluto orbits on the fringes of our solar system, billions of miles away. Sunlight is much weaker there than it is here on Earth, yet it isn't completely dark. In fact, for just a moment near dawn and dusk each day, the illumination on Earth matches that of high noon on Pluto.
>We call this Pluto Time. If you go outside at this time on a clear day, the world around you will be as bright as the brightest part of the day on Pluto.

>>15773281
pls gib a qt3.14 natasha henstridge gf

>>15773330
What a stupid comparison

>>15773328
Rope now

Solar powered Pluto orbiter

>>15773344
Would not be very efficient that far out anon, ever heard of the inverse square law?

>>15773306
Mars is where we will develop asteroid mining, because Mars is orbited by two moons that are basically just asteroids, and of course the number of NMOs is way bigger than the number of NEOs

>>15773338
it's an accurate one, just not if you include what the sky looks like at that time

>>15773352
Simply deploy a large parabolic dielectric mirror to concentrate the sunlight onto your solar panel :)

You guys are smart, right? Are there any physics PhDs here? What can I expect when I start one?

>>15773369
lots of math

>>15773371
Like Taylor series and PDEs or something else more exotic?

>>15773369
Yes, we're all piled higher and deeper.

>>15773341
my ropeocopter goes ack ack ack ack ack

>>15773369
fucking retard assumes any of 4chan is smart. were all retards here just like you, go ask a professor or the registrars office not us. also wrong thread either way

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1706825053617451171
>Included in the CR is a three-month extension of the "learning period" restricting the FAA's ability to enact spaceflight participant safety regs, which is set to end Oct. 1.

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1706825053617451171
>Included in the CR is a three-month extension of the "learning period" restricting the FAA's ability to enact spaceflight participant safety regs, which is set to end Oct. 1.

>>15773397
to allow nuspace to get its feet off the ground more i guess. this would really only apply to maybe blue origin and virgin galactic?
>>15773400
already got posted

>>15773377
it's all boring

>>15772801
>9000 kilograms
You mean... 9 Megagrams?

>>15773281
Place your bets, place your bets, how many grams did they get

>>15773369
You're not a real boy until you pass quals

And quals are fucking brutal

>>15773266
So shat you're telling us, is you can't do math.

>>15773435
thats been public for a while retard

>>15773451
The estimate has, sure. They aren't going to reveal the sample til the 11th

>>15773369
Sir, this forum pioneered the pisslock and atmospheric removal theory. We are very intelligent.

>>15773281
"Now the lid. Easy. Easy. Hot potato!"

>>15772966
Kekd

>>15773203
> Yeah that’s bullshit. It barely has any radioactive material!

We could explain radioactive decay and half life to you, but really -- why bother?

>>15773502
NTA, but please entertain the thread by bumbling through explaining your misconceptions

>>15773401
>already got posted

Not him, but Where?

how long until space lasers get weaponized

>>15773527
When they can gather the sun light into one beam and redirect it.

>>15773527
1984

>>15773369
I'm midway in a undergrad math education course
probably almost the same thing

>>15773505
> NTA

Sure you're not.

The solar nebula that formed the solar system was enriched in minty fresh isotopes fizzing away. That kept bodies like planets and asteroids warm, allowing them to differentiate, gradually cooling down over time.

FWS status

What’s the best way to deal with space debris?
A big net?
Space bulldozer?
A bunch of armored push drones?
A sniper drone which plinks debris out of the way methodically?
Magnets?
Space grappling hook?

What’s the premier tool of choice for space jannies?

>>15773577
how new?
the best method is sand

>>15773482
>they need 4 people to remove a lid
fucking oldspace

>>15773524
Post I replies to that got deleted

>>15773586
Marge, why does sand deal with space debris

>>15773571
2054 when China takes over after landing on the moon and mars and establish mass drivers.

>>15773577
Depends hugely on orbit

LEO you could probably tag everything 1m to 2cm with an electrodynamic tether or drag sail and just let it deorbit itself. Smaller than that you have to catch, probably with some kind of silly "mitt" made of aerogel and wishes. Bigger and you probably want to control the re-entry, so a small electric thruster package with spider arms oughta do it.

GEO/MEO/whatever you have to start wondering if it's worth it

>>15773596
because sand/gas/small shit deorbits insanely fast because of its surface area/mass

>It's not easy, though. Especially that the solution for low brightness of LEO satellites (so they don't spoil astronomy) is to make their earth facing sides highly reflective. So you need adaptive optics and high beam intensities at attacking distances. For example 1m diameter middle IR laser (at typical chemical military laser wavelength of 2.8μm) has diffraction limit of 0.7" (arc seconds). This means that at 1000km range the best beam width is 3.25m. Also you need 0.35" precise tracking.
>Satellites on launch, after fairing jettison face heating in the order of 10kW/m2 (heating by flying at a couple km/s through the upper reaches of the atmosphere) and it lasts several seconds (until the rocket is above ~120km). To cause damage you must exceed that a few times. If the satellite surface is 90% reflective, you need another factor of 10 luminosity increase. So you'd need a laser with beam power averaged over 10s or so of 3MW and that laser must stay fully focused for 10+s. If optics are 98% effective, this means 60kW is deposited in the optics. That's quite a heating and heating means thermal expansion which means loss of focus.
https://old.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/16sorlo/starlink_space_force_chief_says_commercial/

damn...

>>15773289
Starlink has an annual run rate revenue of around $2.6 billion as of 9/2023. I have no idea how many premium services they've sold, so I made the simplifying assumption of zero in my analysis.

>>15773661
Kys redditnegro

>>15773661
fuck right back off to where you came from.

>>15773661
You don't need anywhere near that much power for blinding optics though

>>15773687
stop giving it (You)s retard

>>15772740
Enjoy your frozen carbon monoxide.

>>15773161
Space Elevator would work ideally from an orbiting moon station to the surface. Because of the low gravity could be just simple steel which could easily be manufactured from resources in the area.

>>15772854
Staging ground for exploration of Oort cloud and beyond

>>157727948
VGH... we could have been exploring outer Alabama river gravel by now...

>>15772740
>Pluto colony when
As soon as we find the Charon mass relay

>>15773747
Marge whats the Charon mass relay

>>15773289
20 billion

>>15773289
>how much revenue is SpaceX making from starlink a year currently? are there any estimates?
This is probably your best bet. >>15773662

>>15772772
Yeah, that's ice. He didn't specify water ice.

I want to bring a zamboni to Ganymede and make it the world's largest ice rink
Where do I apply to get funding?

>>15773774
Be a black latinx transbian first and then we can talk

>>15773781
I'm latin american (Québec) and we were once called the white niggers of America, is that enough?

>>15773789
>I'm latin american (Québec)

>>15773662
I'd like to get Starlink but the data cap ruins it. What's the point in having high speeds if you're capped to 1TB/mo?

>>15773577
ground based lasers

>>15773795
There's no data caps

>>15773839
Also, if you have the luxury of not wanting to get Starlink, then you dont need it.

>>15772740
>>15772791
>>15773661
Day after day the sciencegolems are performing the most retarded mental gymnastics whenever a new delay, blunder, or rocket launch postponement is announced. You eat right up as if it was hot cum. This has been going on for years now, decades really if you account for the boomers and gen x golems who were sold these space dreams in the 70's and 80's. Those idiots too believed they would be jetting through the galaxy at any moment now in their own personal spaceshit with their robowaifus meeting all kinds of exotic aliens along the way. They too were sure it would happen in their lifetime. Many of those losers are still alive today and the only thing they got was CGI and studio props like the Star Wars franchise and Star Trek.

The reality is it's just bread and circuses to keep you golems waging for a science fiction future that doesn't exist because the earth is flat and stationary.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1706882675628196132

>>15773820
>ground based lasers
more like ground cringe lasers

>>15773846
What the fuck NASA

>>15773846
>gets nearly a million viewer just for some boring ISS video

>>15773839
Did they remove it? Last I looked into it they added a 1TB/mo cap.

>>15773841
What I have is decent, but Starlink is faster.

>>15773862
they added it and removed it but there are new business tiers now where you can pay for priority access, so I guess if you have a lot of business users in an area you could still get deprioritized even without the cap

>>15773862
There was never a data cap. Only a proposal to address some high bandwidth users. It was never implemented. The proposal was once you hit 1TB per month you get deprioritized from residential priority to mobile priority and that would only be active during high congestion times. There was never a bandwidth cap or proposal.

Nasa gives bidders of USDV (United States Deorbit Vehicle) a choice between fully fixed price or hybrid (development cost+, production as fixed price), Bennu can opened, Space Force looking at next challenge after Victus Nox
---
https://spacenews.com/nasa-offers-choice-of-contract-type-for-iss-deorbit-vehicle/
> NASA offers choice of contract type for ISS deorbit vehicle
> NASA released the final request for proposals Sept. 18 for the United States Deorbit Vehicle (USDV). The vehicle will be used to handle the final phases of deorbiting the ISS at the end of its life, currently scheduled for 2030.
> When NASA issued a draft RFP for the module in May, it proposed a “hybrid” contract approach. The development phase of the module would be done under a cost-plus contract, where NASA covers the costs of development plus an incentive fee. Production of the USDV would be done under a fixed firm price contract.
> The final RFP gives bidder a choice: they can retain the hybrid approach of the draft RFP or perform the entire work, including development, under a fixed firm price contract.
---
https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/09/scientists-get-first-glimpse-of-samples-returned-from-asteroid/
> Scientists just opened the lid to NASA’s asteroid sample canister
> "There is some black dust-like material that's visible. We're hoping that's from Bennu."
---
https://spacenews.com/after-setting-new-record-for-responsive-launch-space-force-eyes-next-challenge/
> After setting new record for responsive launch, Space Force eyes next challenge
> ‘It’s going to be very difficult to top Victus Nox’
> Birchenough said the Space Force intends to “roll all of the lessons learned from Victus Nox into our next demonstration,” a mission named Victus Haze which is being planned with the Defense Innovation Unit. Industry bids for that mission were due Sept. 7.

>>15773555>>15773502
Pluto has got nowhere near enough internal heat to generate an ocean of any note. It’s a frozen ball of ice in the far reaches of the solar system with no large planet or moons to provide significant amounts of tidal flexing and if you insist then take it to reddit you absolute retard.

>>15773577
every time i see this thumbnail i zoom in to check if it's the sfg edit. not disappointed

>>15773854
The power of X

>>15773913
earths core and mantle is not hot due to being near the sun but radioactive decay

>>15772972
So this is what Pikmin ships use.

>>15773932
Needs more references to the Shuttle being a POS design

>>15773932
I am not aware of anything on that list because I simply do not give a single shit about the Space Shuttle
always seemed turbo gay to me even as a kid

What's up with all those SLS/oldspace fans on xitter? I can understand some boomer defending his workplace but the majority of them are seemingly young. Is it just contrarianism because "rich man bad"?

>>15773943
pretty much

>>15773010
so?

kek

>>15773966
lol

Record-Setting Astronaut Frank Rubio Returns to Earth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAv2sKblPRc

>>15773971
hitting atmosphere in 2 minutes

>>15773972
touchdown 22 minutes

>>15773973
>Nur-Sultan
Fix your map NASA

>>15773932
Why are there so many fucking toilet problems in space?

chute deploy soon

>>15773977
they changed the name again?

>>15773939
Based, this child was blessed with insight

>>15773973
>mfw Aral Sea

>>15773978
Too much mass autism to wrap a heat trace around the vent to prevent ice deposition or solve the other myriad little issues that are easy to solve by adding a few kg of appropriate hardware here and there.

6min until touchdown

>>15773984
They changed it back to Astana a year ago. As of 2022, it holds the Guinness World Record for the capital city with the most name changes in modern times.

>>15773988
a lot of oscillation on that chute
and touchdown

touchdown
371 day journey
third longest flight ever in human spaceflight history

>>15773993
why do they do this

>>15773978
I thought water instantly boiled away in space at Earths distance from the sun, how can ice build up?

>>15774002
The pressure is below the triple point, so the water can only exist as a vapor or a solid. Transitioning from liquid to vapor takes energy (gotta break those weak intermolecular bonds) so when you expose water to vacuum a portion of it boils instantly using the heat of the water, but that heat runs out quickly and the remaining low energy water is cold enough to freeze. It's similar to how a CO2 fire extinguisher blasts gas and little balls of dry ice everywhere, despite the tank being loaded with liquid CO2.
As for why the ice didn't sublimate away in the sun, that vent was probavly just located in the shade.

>>15773913
>>15773169
Planetary bodies get hot because of the nature of gravity
Pluto will have ocean
t. Read it on outer /sci/

Rubio

Hydrolox first stages are awesome. Hydrolox in general are awesome.

>>15773997
As far as I remember Nursultan was becoming senile and kind of uppity, so Putin removed him in order to secure his southern flank prior to invading the Ukraine.

>>15774026

>>15773369
>smart enough to finish a phd in physics
>not smart enough to look up the requirements on the website of a program he's interested in
hmmm

Thoughts on Elon's polyaddiction? (ketamine, cannabis, alcohol,LSD)

>>15774044
doesn't seem like an addiction to me

>>15774044
He needs every brain cell blazing to outwit his invisible enemies.

>>15774044
I think most people aren't in a position to credibly criticize Elon's decision making

>>15774022
Not sure about now but I struggle to imagine a formation of pluto that wasn’t violent enough to give it transient oceans so it could differentiate early.

>>15774026
they're great if you want to maximize the size and cost of your rocket for a given payload upper limit

>>15774062
kek

>>15774044
Either whatever it is works, or he's a hyper genius who can lead those companies to achieve extreme effectiveness despite being drug addled.

>>15774056
which of these molecules would make the best rocket engine fuel

>>15773754
>>15773754
https://phys.org/news/2023-09-copper-based-catalysts-efficiently-carbon-dioxide.html
ELON WON

>>15774060
No. All bodies are always heating up proportionate to their gravity
Source: it occured to me in a dream

>>15773881
How big does this USDV need to be?
Can a old Dragon 1 work?
A Falcon 9 second stage?
Starship? Or just a extended Photon?

>>15773978
Shame they were making to much money rebuilding Shuttle after every flight. Updates could have slowed the gravy train.
>>15774072
What to do with methane lmao burn it for E. Do we think StarBase will ever get institu methane production?

>>15774104
>extended Photon?
wut

>>15772740
>Pluto colony when
We can't reliably get to Mars. No way are we ever reaching Pluto.

>>15773913
> *honk* *honk* *honk*!

> The total gravitational energy released during Pluto’s accretion is larger than the amount required to heat it up to 250 K (Table 1 above). Radioactive decay releases more than twice as much total energy, but the rate of heat release is much slower. Because differentiation requires melting, all that theory can tell us is that differentiation of Pluto is plausible but not assured. [The Pluto System After New Horizons UAP 2021]

https://twitter.com/BrennanColberg/status/1706848779343905075

> oh my god is this actually the “rationale” for delaying Starship an entire damn QUARTER

Pioneer 11’s camera fucking sucked, man

>>15774121
I hate the government I hate the government I hate the government

>>15774122
It was just a testbed for Voyager and a way to send our nudes to horny ayys

Day after day the sciencegolems are performing the most retarded mental gymnastics whenever a new delay, blunder, or rocket launch postponement is announced. You eat right up as if it was hot cum. This has been going on for years now, decades really if you account for the boomers and gen x golems who were sold these space dreams in the 70's and 80's. Those idiots too believed they would be jetting through the galaxy at any moment now in their own personal spaceshit with their robowaifus meeting all kinds of exotic aliens along the way. They too were sure it would happen in their lifetime. Many of those losers are still alive today and the only thing they got was CGI and studio props like the Star Wars franchise and Star Trek.

The reality is it's just bread and circuses to keep you golems waging for a science fiction future that doesn't exist because the earth is flat and stationary.

https://twitter.com/WalterIsaacson/status/1706979409708626236

>>15774129
https://archive (dot) ph/20230927055414/https://www.wsj.com/economy/how-elon-musk-came-to-influence-the-fates-of-nations-414bbb67

>>15774130
> The surest way to dilute Musk’s influence over international relations is to dilute his influence over technology. Competitors are hard at work trying to weaken SpaceX’s market share in launch and X’s in social media. As for electric cars, now that Chinese brands have caught up, expect Tesla to be squeezed out of China’s market much as other foreign companies have been, once Beijing no longer found them useful. Musk might be less vulnerable to China when he no longer has sales there to protect.

lol, btw other electric car manufacturers are as close to catching up to Tesla as other launch providers are to SpaceX
they are quite equivalent situations

>>15774130
>>15774133
>leftist delusions
lmao, I've said it before, I can't wait for their kvetching once the tesla bots start replacing factory workers

>>15774133
kek

>>15774133
>Competitors are hard at work trying to weaken SpaceX’s market share in launch and X’s in social media
When I think of "working hard" the first things that spring to mind are ULA's Vulcan and Meta's Threads, and that's not even getting started thinking about Kuiper.

>>15773328
trans as in transhumanism

>We have takeoff! The first flight of the U-2 Avionics Tech Refresh (ATR) was a success.
>The ATR upgrades make the Dragon Lady the first fully open mission systems compliant fleet, enabling rapid and affordable capability enhancements to support the future battlespace.

U2 is still around?

https://twitter.com/LockheedMartin/status/1706670628424593427/photo/1

>>15774166
yep and they never bothered to add landing gears to the wing so it doesnt land like a retard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B-FACcslHg

>>15774133
China was never that important to Tesla.
It was important as a export hub, sure.
But domestic consumption is still too underwhelming compared to the size it should be.

>>15774121
A single blue land crab can produce ~700K eggs per mating.
A single quail can hatch 12-16 eggs per mating.

>>15774184
the new model 3 refresh was mainly designed in china and started deliveries there first
so yes, china was very important to tesla and still is
perhaps they aren't as important anymore proportionally as there are factories in austin and berlin now too, but like 2 years ago losing the chinese factory could have been existential for tesla

>>15774129
>>15774130
>we have to remove Musk from technology and bar him and remove his competitive edge by harassing his companies with regulatory issues
>thats how we can win over Musk

>>15774193
elon would rebuild tesla with a thousand bucks in his pocket.

>>15774166
How come it's still in service while the SR-71, which was made to replace it, has been retired?

>>15774224
U2 still has a role that it fills. SR-71 got replaced with something fancier.

>>15772740
test

>>15774227
Aurora isn't real.

explain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80__LLZK4zg

>>15774044
Thoughts on Adderall, Ritalin etc?

>>15774233
The military doesn't get rid of useful capabilities. It either keep maintaining the old stuff endlessly or replaces it with something new.

>>15774236
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Norwegian_spiral_anomaly
>On 10 December 2009, the Russian Defence Ministry announced that a Bulava missile test had failed. According to a spokesman, "The missile's first two stages worked as normal, but there was a technical malfunction at the next third stage of the trajectory."
>Prior to the Russian statement, Jonathan McDowell, an astrophysicist at the Harvard–Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, had already suggested that the unusual light display occurred when the missile's third stage nozzle was damaged, causing the exhaust to come out sideways and sending the missile into a spin.

So by the mid 2030s the Voyagers will be turned off and New Horizons won’t have any more juice either. So we will not have any active interstellar probes.
SAD!

>>15774246
Were they voyager probes just given a fuck ton of RTG material or something?

>>15774174
Nice, thanks anon. Hopefully this means things are going smoothly?

>>15774264
nothing significant happened other than perhaps putting the hot staging ring back

>>15774246
By 2030 Voyager won't have enough power to run any of its instruments and by 2036 it'll be out of range of the DSN completely. New Horizons is in danger because NASA's Science Mission Directorate wants to turn off the funding.
https://www.universetoday.com/162934/nasas-new-horizons-mission-still-threatened/

>>15774252
NASA's had a lot of success turning things off as they became unnecessary. What's left was originally designed to run on a fairly anemic power budget.

>>15774184
where do you think those batteries they rely on are coming from retard. Musk is potentially compromised and ripe for blackmail by chinks. Most of his theoretical wealth is coming from the inflated tesla stock

>>15774303
>Musk is potentially compromised
Delusional

>>15774303
Tesla is undervalued

Why is America being shut down, again?
Will this affect Starship license?

>>15773527
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MVs37rxJL0
soon

>>15774329
The uniparty is pretending to fight itself so they can go home for a few weeks and not work. When they're finished they'll come back and pass the budget thing anyway, it's all noise.

>>15774193
Model 3 refresh was supposed to be launched along with Cybertruck in a big press conference like event.
This didn’t happen yet so either the Cybertruck or NA M3 refresh got pushed back.
But the Shanghai factory kept chugging so that’s why we got this weird “quiet launch” of the m3 refresh.

Also it was released primarily for Euros since they have the consumer demand for it.
It is also available in China but consumer spending there is not that great.

>>15774329
the government is going out of business

>>15774348
where did you hear that? don't confuse random speculation with actual things that are planned
Cybetruck is going to launch probably in like 2 weeks, model 3 refresh in the USA won't happen for a while

>>15774279
>by 2036 it'll be out of range of the DSN completely
Wow that’s crazy to think about

>>15774227
>SR-71 got replaced with something fancier.
satellites

>>15774130
>How did Musk become so important?
>Paypal was the foundational internet payment processor
>Parlayed that into SpaceX back when Richard Gariott was having fun on the ISS when he realized that's all we'll ever have
>Invested in Tesla back when electric cars were a myth and GM was Satan for killing an awful concept car
>Built a Soyuz alternative, but then Columbia happened
>Time for private spaceflight
>Meanwhile Tesla made electric cars sexy just in time for OPEC to commit economic suicide trying to punish the US for its foreign adventures
>What if we reused rockets?
>NASA has to have its arm twisted to stop enabling oldspace
It makes me laugh when people get mystified by the success of people they hate despite clear evidence of opportunity, cleverness and hard work. "Bad guys always lose in the movies!"

>>15774279
>by 2036 it'll be out of range of the DSN completely.
It though the bitrate gets lower and lower with distances but never goes to zero?? Also they should turn off MSR funding instead

>>15774329
House republicans are fighting Senate republicans over border security.

>>15774375
>Also they should turn off MSR funding instead
Ummm hello, based department

>>15774139
>once the tesla bots start replacing factory workers
when will this happen? Should I be worried as a warehouse wageslave?

>>15774242
>The military doesn't get rid of useful capabilities.
Space Shuttle

>>15774366
>>15774375
I think it's more a function of decreasing transmitter power than range. Voyager was only running on 470 watts at launch and we're a lot closer to it's 87 year half-life tick than we are to fresh. At some point the signal it can still put out is going to get overpowered by the background noise.

>>15774370
It's because all these retards have watched West Wing and think that it's real-life.

>>15774391
The Air Force had some pretty big second thoughts about their forced inclusion in the project right some the start and never really saw the shuttle as being all that useful.

>>15774391
>useful

>>15774391
Anon now and forever BTFO

>>15774384
might start doing simple stuff (some factory work is extremely, extremely simple, like putting a piece of metal from a box onto a stand for a robot to take) within a year, hard to say when they will sell them commercially outside Teslas factories though
but Tesla is not the only company working on humanoid robots and agility robotics, that is specifically trying to do warehouse humanoid robots, opened a factory to make robots a week ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=514IZJENQ3s

>>15774392
The Voyagers aren't even the weakest signals the DSN has to deal with. At least it wasn't a few years ago.
The weak link is probably ground to vehicle.

LAUNCH of the Noor 3 spy satellite on a Qased launch vehicle by Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corp. Space Force cataloged 2 objects in 442 x 456 km x 60.0 deg orbit consistent with launch from Shahroud at 0600 UTC (+- 5 min).

>>15774445
Russia is selling launch tech to anyone with a pulse now

>>15774445
do you think NRO staff laughs at these launches (NK, Iran) when they see them on their screens at work?

>>15774450
they laugh at ULA's launches

>>15774409
>>15774384
off topic, but they are progressing fast, but they could reach some local maximum that slows things down

https://twitter.com/MartinViecha/status/1707072978423525551

Robots like these will have a destabilazing effect on the global order. The robot-owners will control everything

>>15774454
Good for Mars colony. We need to control the cattles on Earth

>>15774454
I can't wait to be eliminated entirely from the workforce and stand around wondering what to do for food.

>>15774452
they aren't going to since they embraced end to end. on the path to artificial humans since karpathy is gone

>>15774454
non-manual labor will still exist assuming that AGI doesn't remove that

>>15774454
Dont care

>>15774454
>The robot-owners will control everything
They'll own themselves in short order

>>15774458
we will have to beg the overlods for food scraps

>>15774479
What if I simply eat the overlords

>>15774445
Qased's three for three on its launch record now. It's not an extra impressive rocket but at least it's reliable.

>>15774480
That's how you get prion diseases

>>15774482
Only if you eat the head, the haunches are fine and that's where the good meat is

>>15774480
why not invest and own part of the companies?

Honestly surprised the (((Elite))) don’t have a giant space station city in the works, that way they don’t have to share a planet with their morlocks. Albeit, it would probably turn into Commoragh after 20 years

>>15774484
>live in the pod
>eat the haunch

>>15774489
It's more economical to take over Maui after you burn down all the peasant slums. These types are more comfortable on islands anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qe1yOyZyX8

stacked again

>>15774489
They just buy yachts and private islands for that
that way they don't have to drink recycled urine and huff their own farts forever

>>15774489
They dont want to pay SpaceX for it.

>>15774498
wereback

>>15774224
U2 is probably insanely cheap to maintain compared to the SR-71 especially given the similar mission profiles.

>>15774489
The earth is flat and stationary with a dome. They are never ever leaving this enclosed plane alive, and neither are you sciencegoys.
CGI is all you get in this life and if you are vaxxed, I know many of you here are well boosted, then the Mars landings will be livestreamed straight into your vaxxed brain.
Also with the latest Neurolink brain processor you'll be able to watch multiple landings at the same time, with the same bitrate and no loss in quality experience.

>>15773571
buck breaking musktard into submission. boca chica wildlife reserve will be saved by the end of next year from the incredibly toxic rocket pollution

>>15772967
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhBw5yaR_SU

retroreflector jurvetson says starlink has it too
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZdcE1sV_S2o

>>15774583
Interesting

>>15774586
isn’t jurveston a paedo or a scat enjoyer or something? I remember someone having some weird lore on him

>>15774224
Because it is essentially a powered glider. Much easier to maintain than a plane that requires a certain skin temperature in order to NOT leak its custom-refined fuel, among other things.

>>15774593
you believe every shitpost you read?

>>15774423
The Voyagers are also the only source of coherent signal in their respective areas. Even ham radio guys have managed to receive the telemetry from the probes.

>>15774593
I wouldn't be surprised be the former. After all, many rich people enjoy it.

>>15774391
Replaced with the X-37B.

>>15774489
The earth is flat and stationary with a dome. They are never ever leaving this enclosed plane alive, and neither are you sciencegoys.
CGI is all you get in this life and if you are vaxxed, I know many of you here are well boosted, then the Mars landings will be livestreamed straight into your vaxxed brain.
Also with the latest Neurolink brain processor you'll be able to watch multiple landings at the same time, with the same bitrate and no loss in quality experience.

>>15774511
I'm surprised they didn't just rebuild some more WB-57s. NASA's have a longer wingspan than a U-2

I can't tell if this spammer is a bot or what. Usually flerf trolls spam 20-30 images at a time, but he just has the single image and text to spam. Weird.

>>15774608
Yes hahahahah it’s a terrible trait of mine

>>15774627
There is no point if jannies censor every flat earth post. That's all you get until the truth stops being censored.

Anyone have a webm or gif of the person in the teslabot suit dancing. It is one of the most autistic and hilarious things i’ve ever seen

>>15774632
what truth, that you need to take your schizo meds? Go bother /x/

>>15774482
that's how we got mad cow disease (thanks British isles for feeding cows to cows)

>>15774485
this actually makes sense

>>15774489
I recently discovered the awesome music from that game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZksH2sIQdJ8

pits on pluto

instead of driving flat-Earthers away we shall show them the truth

>>15774626
It looks like a lot of the B-57s had significant structural fatigue by the time they were retired. It might have been possible but not economical.

more selfie autism please

https://twitter.com/CSI_Starbase/status/1707073746081550387

>>15774674
Need to run a hose over that thing to spray the dust down.

>>15774668

>>15774668
Remote camera

>>15774680
>I showed you my rander, now answer me

>>15774668
lil nigga lost his arm wtf

>>15774686
you can see the mirror inside Perseverance' eye

the selfiest selfie to ever selfie

https://youtu.be/F1e7C5b9dk8?si=iGg3qgCnh1bDq-nU

>>15774489
The earth is flat and stationary with a dome. They are never ever leaving this enclosed plane alive, and neither are you sciencegoys.
CGI is all you get in this life and if you are vaxxed, I know many of you here are well boosted, then the Mars landings will be livestreamed straight into your vaxxed brain.
Also with the latest Neurolink brain processor you'll be able to watch multiple landings at the same time, with the same bitrate and no loss in quality experience.

>>15774694
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe8B5FdbHdE

>>15774111
>we can't reliably get to America. No way we are ever reaching orbit

>>15774674
> solarfags think that this won't be a problem
lmao

>>15773943
>SLS fans
https://nitter.net/search?f=tweets&q=from%3Alavie154+c3+sls
search for some combination of:
"SLS c3"
"SLS high energy"
"SLS core stage velocity"
and you'll see why some like the orange beauty

>>15774720
wrong screenshot

>>15774705
Idle the electrolysis units and switch to methalox fueled generators for the duration of the storm. You have several thousand tons of fuel in reserve to draw from.

>>15774720
>>15774721
> all the probe velocity has to come from the booster (and maybe some gay ass gravity assists) instead of an onboard deep space only drive
I hate this stupid paradigm, where are my nuclear electric thrusters?

>>15774721
SLS Isp at sea level is not 366. That's the RS-25 Isp, which only makes up 20% of the total launch thrust. The rest is coming from 242 Isp boosters. Average liftoff Isp of SLS is only 267.