/sci/ - Science & Math

Carbon credits are mostly utilized by farmers who leave crop stubble in their field. I don't know what you're talking about, but I'd be interested in seeing your sources.

>>15769034
Yes. They are government enforced. Paying people to do pointless work.

This is what happens when you remove voluntarism from transactions.

Here in NZ there is a whole industry popping up around this scam, loads of land that isn't really viable for much apart from sheep/goat grazing is being planted with bajillions of fast growing pine trees. Almost all of it is done on loans lodged against the value of the land and the projected income stream of carbon credits. I am going to laugh my ass when a group of hebrews insider trade to dump the carbon credit market, crash these faggots "business" model and then the hebrews repo the land for pennies and cut all the pine down for lumber. You can see it coming from a mile off.

>>15769034
Yes, everything around it is a scam.

Things that come out of the UN and IPCC are more fiction than reality designed to trick people to give them money

>>15769102
Are the people “investing” (besides the scammers) aware that a patch of shitty woods is a one-time carbon sink, and not like some continuous air scrubber?

>>15769102
This is pretty brilliant, you add in perpetual state demand to the existing leveraged real estate infinite money glitch META

I mean you go to hell for it but yeah it's big brain as far as parasitism goes.

>>15769102
Also forgot to add that because the land is marginal, garbage full of loose small stones, shale and no existing root mats, the super fast growing pines will not root properly and once they start to get big will all get washed out and blown over during any one of the storms we regularly get. Even the lumber plantations on semi decent land have this issue because of the shitty pines they plant.

>>15769043
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jan/18/revealed-forest-carbon-offsets-biggest-provider-worthless-verra-aoe

>>15769116
Its literally just to have the "credit" it seems for removing carbon by "paying"to have it removed rather than actually changing your supply chain to make any difference.

>>15769116
Yeah I'm sure their really precise scientific metrics will reveal their mistakes and their legitimate and intelligent legislators and regulators will realize their mistake.

And then maybe the informed public will use their efficient and timely democratic system to hold everyone involved accountable.

>>15769131
>democratic system
lol

>>15769034
>Is Carbon Neutral a scam?
investor virtue signaling schizophrenia

> "removing carbon" via the trees
they are not doing shit. you would need a godawful amount of trees and then somehow, magically, move and store the heaviest fatass logs ever somewhere, so that they don't release their carbon

> Brazil
this place is filled with the dumbest motherfuckers ever. rest assured that the deforestation will only get worse with each year, and that the copes and scams will only get more and more ridiculous as the weather patterns change and people become desperate

>What can actually be done to reduce carbon if nobody is actually doing it?
depopulation

>>15769034
The green movement has been a scam from day 1:

https://www.unep.org/unep-50-leaders-through-years/maurice-strong

>Maurice Strong played a unique and critical role in globalizing the environmental movement. He led the historic United Nations Conference on the Human Environment
>it resulted in the founding of the UN Environment Programme (UNEP)
>Six months later, he was elected by the UN General Assembly to become UNEP’s first Executive Director
>In June 1992, he led another landmark meeting: the UN Conference on Environment and Development
>The conference addressed climate change and underscored the right to sustainable development

>Mr. Strong’s other notable appointments included:
>Under-Secretary-General and Special Advisor to the UN Secretary-General,
>Senior Advisor to the President of the World Bank
>Foundation Board member of the World Economic Forum
>He also had an expansive career in the private sector, where he led some of Canada’s most prestigious energy companies.

According to the UN green shill department, greentard ideology was established and globalized by a literal oil executive/bankster/WEF founder. He was also one of Rockefeller's sidekicks.

>>15769034
If you are well read on the policy end of science then you know fully well that "zero carbon" means "zero human".
It's an open lie, obfuscated only slightly, to trick the cattle into dying off faster.

>>15769043
The folks like Al Gore value the credits cheaply in countries with a lot of easy ways to do the program and then value them high in developed countries.
It's a blatant scam. Ask Africans.

>>15769102
Don't worry mate, NZ is just a place for elites to go on holiday or put their bunkers. Just look how horseface treated you. They clearly believe your cattle, or vermin to be exterminated when they feel like it.

>>15769117
Many, possibly most people in government honestly believe in Modern Monetary Theory. They already think they've unlocked infinite money.

>>15769034
>Is this true?
Yes
>What can actually be done to reduce carbon if nobody is actually doing it?
Literally just price carbon

>>15769116
They don't care. They are talking about peaking energy demand soon.

>>15770777
I wonder what rich is fuck is going to be pushing it when all of their children are slaughtered and turned into a nice stew.

>>15771164
Are you suggesting the people who push these things should be lynched? I resent the fact, but historically the evil people at the top are rarely tortured by those they persecuted. They usually die of old age or commit suicide.

>>15771189
No. they should live a nice long life. Its their children that should suffer the consequences, of this, I am certain.

>>15770743
Them all building their bunkers here is fucking retarded since everyone knows about it and their general area. If nukes fly, there's going to be more than one sub commander sitting out there thinking real hard about whether he should paste a few tens of millions of innocents of instead turn Queenstown Lakes district into a sea of molten glass and fuck up the faggots who caused the shitstorm.

Everything that has to do with global warming is a scam

>>15771344
That's a comforting thought.

>>15771344
Military faggots will just follow their order because thats what career advancement depends on and career advancement is their primary concern in life.
They're NPCs just like academics are, they will never place their personal sense of morality or their desire of better long term outcomes in front of their career goals

>>15769034
Thanks

>>15771907
Not exactly, although the planet has been hotter before (So "the hottest we've ever been" is all bs), it's never heated up this fast before, and while the previous avg changes in temperature were over a long enough period of time that evolution could adapt, the spike we're seeing today isn't, also, the avg global temperature is an average, what could be a difference of <1°C across the whole planet, could be multiple in a certain country.

>>15773044
>it's never heated up this fast before

>>15769034
carbon neutral seems like a buzzword

>>15773744
Its an excuse to demand money

>>15774793
And reduce quality of life
>you will own nothing
>you will eat the bugs

>>15769034
>is carbon neutral a scam?
>describes carbon credits scam
This thread is a scam

>>15773744
One that can be redefined to fit any circumstance so that no matter what you do, you're always guilt of "climate crimes" and owe money to the government to pay for the damage you're doing to the planet they claim ownership of

>>15769034
Yes, obviously. The entire concept of carbon neutral is a farce. Take the trees for example. You buy acres of trees that reduce in carbon in the air. Then they die. And all the held carbon is released back into the environment. We will either need to come up with a novel, yet scalable, way of outright removing the carbon, or stop producing it in excess to prevent further damage. Planting a bunch of trees is taking out a loan that WILL be paid back eventually, and effectively does nothing for the long term.

>>15769034
Congratulations anon, you figured out that all corporate, "free-market" solutions to problems are ultimately spinning wheels and pretending you got anything done.

>>15776745
>corporate
>free-market
Not the same. Corporations need governments to protect them from free market competition.

>Carbon neutral initiatives are just buying "carbon credits"
>free-market
Once again, carbon credits exist because the government demands it. Can't you understand that a free market is where you don't have government interference?

>>15776890
>Corporations need governments to protect them from free market competition.
What a fucking joke. No "free market" has ever not had corporations form.
>carbon credits exist because the government demands it
No. Plenty of companies are adopting carbon offset schemes due to public of demand. Completely retarded and misguided public demand, yes, but they do it because it works as a form of advertising/propaganda/whatever.
Even government mandated carbon credit schemes exist due to lobbyists arguing for a "free market" solution as opposed to a real solution which would be hard mandates and/or taxes to directly disincentive the production of greenhouse gasses.
>Can't you understand that a free market is where you don't have government interference?
Firstly, no, because there can only be no government interference at all if there is no government, in which case someone else will just make a new government. Any anarchist retardation that suggests otherwise does not require consideration.
Secondly, the government being involved somewhere doesn't mean it's magically not a free market. A government creating a market and letting people trade freely within that market can still be a free market.
I seriously hope you're just a stupid child that has yet to grow out of his ideological extremism phase, otherwise there is a reason nobody ever engages you seriously if you go around bitching about governments merely existing.

>>15776745
>Carbon credits are a free market
What did he mean by this?

>>15773738

>>15777280
>Plenty of companies are adopting carbon offset schemes due to public of demand
not public demand, the general public all knows global warming is fake and gay
they're adopting carbon offset schemes due to the demands of jews like larry fink

>>15778484
>>15778484
Pop quiz: how many pixels would berepresented by 1cm in that picture?

Bonus question: what is the daily variation in the height of the tides in that location?

Bonus bonus question: what time.of day is it in each of those photos, and how do you know?

>>15779328
>reeeeee its a conspiracy!!
>muh tides
global warming is fake greta, everyone knows it

>>15780564
So you don't know how many pixels would be represented by 1 cm?

And you don't know the height of the variations of the tides in that location?

And you don't know what time of day it is in those pictures?

>>15781062
Are you really not posting any pictures proving rising tides? Back to the drawing board.

>>15779328
the point is that there's no noticeable difference.
climate change is always implied or stated to be a world ending series of events. It is not.

>>15781069
Do you not know what tides are? They happen twice a day in most places and we've known about them for as long as humans have lived near coasts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tide
Tides are the rise and fall of sea levels caused by the combined effects of the gravitational forces exerted by the Moon (and to a much lesser extent, the Sun) and are also caused by the Earth and Moon orbiting one another.

Tide tables can be used for any given locale to find the predicted times and amplitude (or "tidal range"). The predictions are influenced by many factors including the alignment of the Sun and Moon, the phase and amplitude of the tide (pattern of tides in the deep ocean), the amphidromic systems of the oceans, and the shape of the coastline and near-shore bathymetry (see Timing). They are however only predictions, the actual time and height of the tide is affected by wind and atmospheric pressure. Many shorelines experience semi-diurnal tides—two nearly equal high and low tides each day. Other locations have a diurnal tide—one high and low tide each day. A "mixed tide"—two uneven magnitude tides a day—is a third regular category.[1][2][a]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tide_table
Tide tables, sometimes called tide charts, are used for tidal prediction and show the daily times and levels of high and low tides, usually for a particular location.[1]

Tide heights at intermediate times (between high and low water) can be approximated by using the rule of twelfths or more accurately calculated by using a published tidal curve for the location. Tide levels are typically given relative to a low-water vertical datum, e.g. the mean lower low water (MLLW) datum in the US.[2]

Fr tho how the fuck have you never heard of tides? Why is your ignorant ass on /sci/?

>>15781080
The point is that it's false information being spread by propagandists. You have failed to answer any of the questions and so you gave failed the pop quiz.

>>15781086

its a scam to suppress third world countires

>>15781095
See
>>15779328

>>15781086
>it's false information being spread by propagandists
What is? That climate change is meant to kill us all?

>>15777280
>Plenty of companies are adopting carbon offset schemes due to public of demand.
How does that make them money though? Companies make money by selling products. Virtue signalling about muh carbon doesn't sell products when it makes them more expensive.

>>15781176
>Virtue signalling about muh carbon doesn't sell products when it makes them more expensive.
the jews offer lower interest rates to companies that play the virtue signalling game

>>15781142
That there has been no change in the average sea level. It is a blatant lie being spread by those with an interest in keeping people ignorant to prevent action and maintain their profits. You are either a shill or a useful idiot who has already been propagandized.

>>15781199
i don't really care if the sea level has changed or not. I don't think climate change can threaten human existence whatsoever. Humans adapt to quickly for natural events to destroy all of us at once.

>>15781619
I see. You are a useful idiot who has already been propagandized.

>>15781860
Useful to who?