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>> No.15740465

nice resume gore...i didn't even know such a genre existed

>> No.15740506

>The dates on the right margin of work experience and education.
Lmao

>> No.15740525

>>15740454
Is it even possible to get into pharma/biotech with just a BS in biochemistry? There seem to be a lot of job postings out there but none of them seem real. Then there are mountains of insane posts written by deranged HR women who think it is normal to have 6 years of experience in the form of internships. Anyone?

>> No.15740581

>>15740454
lmao im dying jan 2015 - jan 2015

>> No.15740584

>>15740454
I work as a cleaner for $15/hr part time with a BS in Biology
It's over right

>> No.15740675

What can I do if I have an engineering degree but am too dumb to be an engineer?

>> No.15740676

Masters in Chemistry in the UK, got a First. Can't find job. What gives?

>> No.15740693

>>15740525
With an undergraduate degree, you be a lab technician at most, doing the boring and tedious lab work while your seniors write reports and take the credit. You’re going to need a graduate degree if you want to make the big bucks. This is also true for chemists.
The HR roastie phenomenon is common throughout the job market, the large experience requirements is a symptom of our saturated labor market.

>> No.15740698

>>15740676
All the good chemistry jobs are in oil and gas or drugs in the US. It’s probably the true for your country too. The chemistry industry moved to China.

>> No.15740701

>>15740675
Finance and banking.

>> No.15740711

>>15740701
What would I do there? What job titles? What am I looking for?

>> No.15740753

>>15740693
This is very correct. We have BS graduates at work and they mostly do lab work that other people who did an apprenticeship do as well. Although in my department there is a chance for BS graduates to get training for writing reports and doing more project work after a couple of years of experience.
Still most coworkers with higher educational degrees still do lab work, me included. It's actually really cool to do a couple of things in the lab every week instead of sitting on my ass all day writing reports, talking to clients and answering questions from the lab workers. I have a MS in chem.

>> No.15740862

am the EE failure from the previous thread. Turns out I actually passed barely. But, I don't feel happy or relieved. I am sure to be fucked when the harder courses come. is there any light at the end of this electric tunnel?

>> No.15741122

>>15740676
Look abroad or more varied. Try government jobs. Chemistry prospects are pretty grim though.
Which field or type of chemical work are you looking for?

>> No.15741321

>>15740862
Try actually being prepared next time

>> No.15741374

>>15740862
Actually put in the effort this time. It only gets harder from here.

>> No.15741555

>>15741321
>>15741374
can you guys tell me what is the most effective way to study. I literally gave up everything this semester just to study. yet I still procrastinate, or I feel sleepy and tired all the time which ruins my study gains.

>> No.15741588

>>15741555
Dude you almost failed. If that doesn’t motivate you to study nothing will. Next time you feel lazy remember that sinking feeling when you thought you were flunking out and realize that will be your future

>> No.15741677

>>15741555
Start with this: >>15733751

When you are going through a new book or section of a book, do the following:
1: thumb through the book, just glance at each page, no more than 1 second per page - don't try to read, just glance.-
2: at this stage you won't remember a thing, so now you wait 20 minutes minimum.
3: after the break, start reading normally - you will notice that you, somehow, can recall what you earlier just thumbed though. What you read now will stick a lot better in your memory.

>> No.15741684

>>15741555>>15741677
Also this:
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/wiki/Study_Methods

>> No.15741752

>>15740454
I use this /g/uy's resume template, it's worked well so far.
https://github.com/enfiskutensykkel/cv

>> No.15741780

>>15741555
You need conceptual understanding + procedural perfection. Drill through a lot of problems and try and understand the components of whatever device or equation you are using.

>> No.15741828

>all the companies are enforcing return to office policy
is it over for WFH? How are your guys experiences with working from home? Would you rather return to office? WHy do you think companies want people to return to office? Are people actually lazy and don't work at home?

>> No.15741870

>>15740454
Third year of EE, concentration in electromagnetics. I know I want to study TMS technology in grad school, but do I need extra education in bio?
Also been considering joining the amish for srs. Uni just exacerbates all the social malaise I see now

>> No.15741875

>>15741780
I do maybe 2 or 3 problems then move on to another topic. I guess thats where part of the problem is. Whats an optimal number of problems I should do on a particular subject?

>> No.15741979

>>15741875
Do it until you feel its easy. Easy way to max grade every class

>> No.15741983

>>15740693
>>15740753
Suppose I have received offers from two companies. One of them is a huge, well-known corporation and the other is medium-sized but pays significantly better (~$16k a year better). If the huge company has more opportunities in the long run, do you think I should go with that while attending grad school and taking the pay cut? Or is the big gap in pay worth potentially having a lower chance of getting in with that big company later?

In other words, do these companies tend to hire their own at the mid-senior and expect you to climb their ladder from the bottom?

>> No.15742347

>>15741983
I can only give you an example of my current position. As said, I have a master in chem and work at a lab that does all kinds of different sample analysis. We have slightly more than 100 employees. The only one that's above me is the head of laboratory, one step below me are lab workers. We are a rather small department in a much larger company (not going into detail as this might dox my employer). There is no real chance to get a higher position only yearly raises.

You will have a more spread out hierarchy in larger companies and more chances to get a position with more responsibility. Right now I don't want that. Because of the flat hierarchy we all work together very well and because of the smaller size everything is really chill and there a lot of out of the ordinary requests that keep things interesting for both the lab workers as well as the project managers.

Larger companies have the tendency to optimize processes to a degree that some people might find unfun. A lot of my coworkers worked in large labs before and in some cases there is a strict separation of lab workers and project managers. Then they might be GLP certified which requires a strict documentation of every step you do (for a good reason) which makes the work inherently different.

You should consider what you want to do and what is fun for you. Take a look at the company website, if you get the chance take a look at the lab or facility, ask questions when interviewed that give you general idea how the work is done.
For me personally, I'd rather make a couple of bucks less but have (mostly) fun going to work. I also forgot what the question was because I had most of it typed out a couple of hours ago but forgot to post. Anyway I hope this is somewhat helpful.

>> No.15742357

>>15740675
>too dumb to be an engineer
you arent.

>> No.15742414

>>15740675
I also feel like this. Would any engineer/physicist with sub-120 IQ and without midwit's problems in their carieer care to share what their career is?

>> No.15742434

>>15741828
I can still WFH. They want me to be in the office 3 days a week, but since I am a rainmaker, I have a lot of slack.

>> No.15742438
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15742438

I know I can get a PhD in physics and you guys tell me my interests in physics are worthwhile. However, what are some things I can do with a PhD in physics besides nuclear weapons and academia?

>> No.15742523

>>15741828
Fully remote. Work in tech, digital nomading like a reddior, feels good bros.

>> No.15742532

>>15742414
The midwits in my graduating class all went into management consulting firms as "analysts" and seem to do pretty well there, although I've heard the number of working hours are bad.

>>15742438
>However, what are some things I can do with a PhD in physics besides nuclear weapons and academia?
flip burgers at mcdonalds
commit acts of eco-terrorism
post on mongolian basket-weaving forums
an hero

>> No.15742844

>>15742347
Very helpful, thank you. It looks like the larger company might be more interesting in terms of the kind of stuff they produce anyway. The smaller one pays more because its located in a place that is unexpectedly very high cost of living and so remote that there is literally nowhere I can get a place to live within a 40 minute drive. Looks like I'll just be getting my foot in the door with Large Chem Supplier Co. and doing grad school with it.

Thanks again.

>> No.15743057

>>15740711
>What would I do there?
Risk management is a solid choice. It's all just managing numbers and comparing that to other numbers; just like all other STEM fields. Business consulting is another good option.

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15743058

I’ve been in English just finishing up pre recs and stuff, then on the side I’ve been studying ccna security and networking stuff. Should I just switch over to comp science and go full computer fag?

>> No.15743164

>>15740506
That's pretty normal bro

>> No.15743166

>>15740675
>>15742414
Consulting, anyone can do it

>> No.15743181

What do you actually need to be a quant?

>> No.15743192

>>15741828
>WHy do you think companies want people to return to office?
Corporate real estate got screwed by quarantines and wfh. The industry still hasn't recovered from the mass realization that every office job can be worked remotely. Execs + board have so much money tied up in the market that they realized they're better off leasing space and hiring an army of HR workers to bully people back in than to tank that hit.

If you want to draw looser connections, the mega asset management companies like vanguard, blackrock, etc are deeply exposed to the sector. These companies together usually make up a controlling shareholder bloc in literally every major public company. So they tell the boards to push RTO hard. Look at your own company, this shit comes right from the top.

>> No.15743198

>>15742357
I am. I've been at my engineering job for 2 months and I'm about to get fired. My boss is frustrated and chews me out daily. This morning he exasperatedly told me "I have to see SOMETHING...I have to know you are capable of technical work"
I'm about to get fired for being incompetent. I just sit at my desk and stare at the screen. I don't understand anything and no one makes any real effort to show me anything. I don't even know what I'm supposed to be doing honestly. He told me my goal for the first year was to become familiar with the national electric code, but now he seems to be frustrated that all I do is sit at my desk and stare at it.

>> No.15743201

>>15743181
The main qualification is attend a target school. If you're too stupid or too gentile for that you can get the recruiting by paying $50k for a quant finance masters from a target.

>> No.15743204

>>15743198
>I don't understand anything and no one makes any real effort to show me anything. I don't even know what I'm supposed to be doing honestly.
It is legitimately on them is they don't train you. This honestly seems to not be uncommon with junior engineering roles. I wouldn't take this experience to heart.

>> No.15743205

>>15743198
Ok but why haven't you famaliarized with the code bro?

>> No.15743214

>>15743204
It's also partially my fault. I feel overwhelmed at the scope of the job. I don't even know where to begin so I just don't start.
I agree that some of it is their fault. But I think someone who was truly an engineer would have found ways to incorporate themselves into the team already, or at least taken an interest in what is going on. They've started to intensely monitor everything that I do. I can't even take a piss without my boss following me now. I'm pretty sure they're starting to put together a case to fire me. Some of my other coworkers are in on it, and Monday my boss has started loudly quizzing me on stuff in front of people which he didn't used to do before. When I can't answer his questions he gets frustrated but it also feels like he wants to be frustrated with me and intentionally creates that outcome. Very weird workplace.
I've been applying other places but I haven't heard back. I emailed the recruiters today and they didn't respond. I've been waiting 2 weeks to hear something. All I do all day is check my personal email on my phone literally every 5 minutes hoping to see a job offer. It's agonizing.

>> No.15743220

>>15743205
He basically told me to read and memorize the national electric code, which is a retarded task that is totally futile and shows that he has no idea what to do with me. Most of my coworkers are electricians and they occasionally send me vague assignments they know I have no hope of completing or even knowing how to begin, which I suspect they take a delight in.

>> No.15743226

>>15743220
Damn, sounds like you just aren't qualified

>> No.15743286

>>15743198
Well are you familiar with the national electric code?

>> No.15743469

>>15743214
>so I just don't start.
Fire up your power level, max it out.
Then start on page 1, and grind through it, page by page.

>> No.15743889

>>15743198
Well they're fucking up, to really get familiar with the NEC you need to work on engineer assignments and apply it. They're just not training you.

>> No.15743908

>>15743889
Yeah it’s dumb. They’re all boomers and they think if you went to college it’s magically supposed to be equal to 35 years of experience. This guy was asking me stuff about motors and when I didn’t know he asked “well didn’t you have a class in college about motors” and when I said no he acted shocked like one of those “what is this country coming to” moments. He did the same thing a few days later about relays. Like I know what they are what they do and how they work generally but they think you were supposed to have a separate class for every specific piece of equipment possible and then have master knowledge about it. It’s like they think college is some kind of super trade school or something

>> No.15743987

>>15743908
Unfortunately you're going to have to do some research on topics that you didn't learn in college on your own time. Motors is a good example, I didn't learn jack shit about them in university either.

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15744258

Will using 4chan make me fail a background check.

>> No.15744265

>utter lack of real jobs experience
>securities trader

this is a wallstreetbets retard isn't it?

>> No.15744266

Currently being filtered by Calculus 2. It’s all integration so far, first test is next week and I cant solve the simplest problems. Any advice? Anyone been in a similar situation? Should I just start my janitorial career now?

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15744278

Okay so what the fuck do you do if you're a midwit and happened to get into studying EE? I took an IQ test and it doesn't look pretty.

>> No.15744288

>>15744266
What is troubling you specifically?

>> No.15744290

>>15744258
yes

>> No.15744296 [DELETED] 

Will I have the deal with those unusually extroverted and superficial people as a comp. engineer in the industry? All these faggots ever like to talk about is their salary, networking, and how much they get to drink on the job. It makes me sick to my stomach. I swear some of these companies are like royal courts nested in a web of intrigue and deception.

>> No.15744315

>>15744266
When I had trouble in Calc 2, the biggest help to me was watching people work through problems and reading the step-by-step for specific problems on Wolfram Alpha. Then practicing problems step by step and eventually everything just clicked. I don't know how else to put it.

>> No.15744325

>>15743987
>>15743908
We didn't even cover transformers in my uni circuits course, how the fuck am I gonna make it in industry bros?
Is doing my own projects in school enough?

>> No.15744339

>>15744278
Why did you get into EE in the first place?

>> No.15744357

>>15744339
The money

>> No.15744365

>>15740675
>too dumb to be an engineer
no such thing mate

>> No.15744369

>>15744265
>first reaction is a subreddit instead of /biz/
this site is so fucking over

>> No.15744381

>>15744369
So is the entire internet
There just aren’t any quality people anymore

>> No.15744448

>>15744357
70k starting isn't good money, wages haven't kept up, only senior EEs make bank and it sounds like you'll kys before you get there.
Why not do something like finance?

>> No.15744473

>>15744448
Because I started my degree before massive Covid inflation

>> No.15744480

>>15744448
Also you retards always make extremely vague allusion to things I should be doing like “finance/analyst/consulting” but are somehow always short on specifics curiously enough

>> No.15744530

>>15744480
I'm not gonna job hunt for you, tard. And your sunk cost fallacy is going to make you miserable.
Spend a day researching well-paying careers and then switch your major to accommodate.

>> No.15744551

>>15744530
I’m just pointing out that if you actually knew what you were talking about all your posts wouldn’t be uniformly characterized be retarded superficial generalities

>> No.15744585

>>15744278
literally me rn
>>15744288
everything, none of it makes sense to me, im just gonna spam youtube tutorials but i rly just hate this shit
>>15744315
this is what i was trying to do but some of the teachers leave out details that they already assume you know, idk how it made it this far honestly

>> No.15744592

>>15744530
Doesn't EE have a transferable enough skillset to segue into Finance without explicitly studying it?

Had a physics major go into data science finance and he had not a single course in either subjects. Why can't EE do the same?

>> No.15744595

Should I include a picture in my CV? Google says if you're in Europe it's recommended. Also should I clean shave? I have been told I look too young (not in a good way) when I do, but my beard isn't dense enough to be nicely groomed.

>> No.15744639

>>15744595
A new coworker in the lab looks like a hobo for real. He also smells like an old sport bag and sweats like a mf. I would recommend taking a shower at least.

>> No.15744649

>>15744595
Is it to prove that you are white?

>> No.15744704

>>15744278
>>15744448
The problem seems to be the lack of IQ rather than the major. What >>15744592 says about effortlessly segueing to another field would require EEanon to have more cognitive capacity than he has.

Assuming that EEanon is on the lower end of the EE bell curve, the options I can think of are:
>1) Switch to an easier major
CS and finance might still be a bit too difficult, business might be more suitable.

>2) Go into a non-engineering career
Use the easy parts of EE or just the fact that he passed the math courses.
>cont.

>> No.15744727

>>15744266
>>15744585
If you're just here to vent, fuck off.
If you want help actually ask.
>filtered by calc 2

>> No.15744735

>>15744704
>cont.
So to address >>15744480 and give some more specific examples:

>Management Consulting
This is what people usually refer to when saying "consulting", competitive field, lots of stuck up people, but doesn't really require any specific major.
General financial knowledge is all you need.
To get a career here you need to do the management version of leetcode: case interviews. Look up "management consulting case interview" on youtube to get a feel for it.
You practice doing case interviews 1000x times, and if you have a good GPA from a good school or are a diversity hire then you can get an internship, which if you don't fuck up can get you hired working 60 hours a week.

>Investment Banking
Usually what people mean when they say "just do finance bro". Unless you go to a target school then this is not an option for you.

>Business Analyst
Vague title, not a specific role. Usually it's the shittier lesser paid role in a management consulting firm, so see that one above. Sometimes used interchangeably with data analyst.

>Data Scientist
Too much math and statistics for you. Sometimes a data analyst role is called data scientist, in which case it might work.

>Data Analyst
They make dashboards in PowerBI or Tableau. Lots of excel. Often overlapping with Business Analyst. Solid job for a midwit if you at least have common sense and aren't completely retarded with numbers. Mileage will vary however.

>Technical Sales
Sometimes called solutions engineer or sales engineer. Talking to clients except you need to know how what you're selling works (typically software).
Typically what they do is figure out what the business requirements the customer has and translating them to technical requirements so the actual engineers can fix it. Highly recommended for midwits because you get paid a commission.

>> No.15744738

>>15744595
>am euro
>never seen a picture on a CV
I only ever see pictures on personal websites if at all.
Just be clean and dress up a little. Worth shaving for an interview and looking young isn't a disadvantage unless you are going for senior positions.

>> No.15744853

>>15744639
I fail to see how that's relevant to what I asked.

>>15744649
I don't know what the purpose is. Supposedly HR people are "visually driven" or somesuch bullshit, and a picture helps you being memorabld. In my case, I guess it could also help prove I'm real because if you google my name nothing comes up.

>>15744738
That's interesting. I was just talking about the CV picture though.

>> No.15744986

>>15744853
A lot of Europe no - UK it is technically illegal to hire by image and they might reject the application for the 'existence of a picture' just to avoid that legal minefield so definitely no - Germanic regions yes. I don't know about the nordics (possibly).

>> No.15745114

>>15744339
It sounded interesting and highschool math wasn't that hard! Turns out the real thing is way way harder!

>>15744704
Switching majors isn't that easy where I'm at sadly. I feel like I'm fucked. Moreover
>What >>15744592 says about effortlessly segueing to another field would require EEanon to have more cognitive capacity than he has.
Not sure if that works around here anyway, people care about degrees

>> No.15745149

>>15740693
You can move up but it will be easier with even a masters. I moved from lab tech to writing reports and designing experiments to now doing software/bioinformatic work with some management work sprinkled in. Looking back I wouldve just done software and got into bioinformatics if I ever got bored.

>> No.15745157

So, uh. I have issues. I feel like an absolute failure.
I am currently a mathematics major in my 3rd year in the US. It's a general tract, so I've taken the Calc Series, Linear Algebra, Numerical and Real Analysis, etc. I'm working towards a minor in physics.

My grades are ok.
But I have an absolutely piss-poor memory. Borderline amnesic when it comes to things. It seems like I can only remember some things if I'm given stimuli. I can't visualize anything either, so my memory in general tends to be lacking regardless.

If you throw a problem from last year at me, there's zero chance I can do it. I just can't remember. I have to take a look at the concept itself, in order to do the problem.

I feel like I'll fail a majority of technical interviews even if I get callbacks.
I get that people 'forget' their subjects year to year, but it can't be this bad right? Is this normal?
At this point, I'm thinking of just stacking my resume with a shit-ton of data projects...

>> No.15745158

>>15742844
Not him but that is what I did. Look into getting your masters funded by your employer since bigger companies tend to do that. I prefer this route since I can go to school and still make decent money with funding as well. After the masters and work experience, you will be in a very good place. I would also look into learning some CS stuff on the side too. Most don’t want to put in the time even with AI but employers in the chemical/bio field love people who can do the computer work that is impossible to avoid.

>> No.15745159

>>15745157
Math grad here in technical job - have literally never been asked a single thing from my degree other than what programming languages I used.

>> No.15745167

>>15745159
Seriously? I'm currently learning some Python and other stuff on my own so I don't look like an unemployable monkey with a #2 pencil.
I don't hate coding, but is coding really the key to my major? I would've guessed CS majors would BTFO me in that regard. Trying to find an internship right now seems like a slog.

>> No.15745168

>>15745159
Sometimes, rarely, I have to revise the odd things like GLMs or random 'tricks' and theorems from matrix algebra in a really specific problem but basically never. Again, haven't been asked - just need to be aware of the 'existence' of things to look up in practice.

>> No.15745173

>>15745167
I did numerical analysis as the specialization in my degree and now I do software engineering - don't know about other jobs. Would say a math grads are usually equally in the running for tech jobs because you can learn tools (most CS grads learn fuck all tools useful in practice anyway) but picking up the 'problem solving' is a lot harder but math grads are the best STEM at.

>> No.15745176

>>15745167
Don't fall for the 'pure' meme, either do some statistics or scientific computing type courses if you want to be employable.

>> No.15745179

>>15745168
I sometimes use some set theory with SQL as well, but it isn't like it is especially difficult - sometimes I don't even write it down and just verbally reason what the combination of joins would give me out of the collection of databases I am joining.

>> No.15745183

>>15745179
Being good at this is genuinely useful as if you kind find an equivalent sequence of joins to get the same result it can be a lot faster (say, joining datasets containing 10,000,000 with 10,000,000 then 20,000 vs 3 lots of 10,000,000 in a 'dumb' filtering way)

>> No.15745186

is there any reason to do software engineering now that chat-gpt exists?

what do bros

>> No.15745189

>>15745183
join * NOT (anything you're not looking for)

are you telling me i'm stupid anon

>> No.15745190

>>15744266
Damn that's crazy, calc 2 was probably the easiest for me. The secret? I was pumping out practice problems like crazy. I mastered dem shits son, you should do the same.

Get this book
https://www.amazon.com/Schaums-Solved-Problems-Calculus-Outlines/dp/0071635343/ref=sr_1_7?crid=1JFF2U4NDRNCW&keywords=schaums+calculus&qid=1694735599&sprefix=schaums+calculu%2Caps%2C150&sr=8-7 (its on libgen).

You probably learn by doing, so start doing practice problems.

>> No.15745199

>>15745186
yeah it is shit for everything but code snippets. I use it all the time it's just a tool to make my job easier desu - I do the thinking and tell 'turn my thoughts into code'. Code has always been the pointless monkey bit of the job, just like writing symbols on paper is the monkey bit of doing math

>> No.15745204

>>15745176
My school picked up a data science major recently, but the problem is that I need 20 more credits of CS. I thought about doing a data visualization class next semester regardless to learn to code a bit better.
I've done very little actual useful Python code. I've made stupid small physics simulations for my physics classes.
I did a dumb project on muon detection using the most outdated data collection software ever.
>>15745173
I might be paranoid for job security, but my SO graduated last year and was offered a variety of jobs on the spot. She gets callbacks and such even with zero relevant internships.
She was a 4.0 student though. Plus, she wanted to stay in the area for some reason.
I just can't believe it.

>> No.15745206

>>15745204
>She
Anon the job market isn't fair right now, companies need ratios unfortunately. I am not incelling, I am just saying that is the reality of the hiring market rn.

>> No.15745210

>>15745204
Tbh you don't technically need the 'title' - my degree is literally in mathematics - you just need to add the relevant courses and programming languages and whatever beside them.
It really is as simple as:
'I did math, specialization in computing and data science' but in a bulletpointed way.

>> No.15745211

>>15745204
>>15745206
being a 4.0 student (and likely not a social autist) probably kinda has something to do with it

>> No.15745214

>>15745210
when I started I also listed some GitHub projects as I didn't have relevant tech experience. People asked my about them face-to-face (what did you do, how did you do it, how would you do it differently) but never actually looked at them.

>> No.15745221

>>15745206
go into work as identifying as one of the she/her staff every day
>it's not my fault, that's just who I am
time to flip the ratios

>> No.15745223

>>15745221
based. I always put my religion as 'other' for diversity points kek

>> No.15745226

>>15745223
me who does not identify as anything that I used to be

>I am definitely not an infinite turing machine

>> No.15745231

Bros it might actually happen.
I might actually get a job where I get my own office.
The guy said I wouldn't even have to take that big of a pay cut either.
Fuck I might actually escape the cubicle farm.

>> No.15745244

>>15745210
>>15745214
Well, I have my 'senior project' next semester.
I should probably spend all my time on that and throw it on my resume. Learn to code in the meantime. Sounds like a good plan. Projects seem to indicate prowess in programming languages to companies without the need for a degree.
>>15745206
In my math classes, at the very least at my small university, a majority of my class is women. I would say a majority of the people I see are women. I barely see any dudes in my science building. Most of my small graduating class's men never even went to college...
Although, what I am saying is all anecdotal evidence.
>>15745211
I just switched from chemistry to math because I hated writing lab reports in the middle of my 2nd semester.
Also, I hated writing for my liberal arts writing class. A B in yoga. And B in complex analysis...
Can't believe the difference between us is only like a .4 GPA...

>> No.15745261

>>15745231
what type of job?

>> No.15745289

>>15744325
Possibly but you will want internships to get industry experience. Don't feel too bad though, I didn't learn motors either and I got a good power engineer job at a big defense contractor and everything I am learning on the job I never did in school. In fact, I think only 5% of the EE material I learned is applicable in my job. I'm thinking that the degree is just to show that you're not a dumbass.

>> No.15745297

>>15745289
I have the degree and I am a dumbass though.

>> No.15745368

>>15745297
That just means you're a dumbass with an EE degree so that's better than most. As long as it was ABET accredited you'll get a job.

>> No.15745503

>>15745158
Yeah I supplemented biochem with data science to try to get somewhat of an edge in terms of ML, Python, and a bit of a primer on statistics. I've done a few very small uninteresting data visualization projects in my free time with R and am working with Python's rdkit to take a little step in the bioinformatics or computational chemistry route on my own. Just a few little projects I've started partially for the sake of showing employers/grad schools that I am not a *complete* idiot. The company I may very well end up working for is located close to a university that has a couple of biochem labs that I am interested in, so this seems like the ideal option.

Now I just have to hope that it doesn't fall through AND I can simultaneously get my foot in the door with grad school.

>> No.15746198

So I guess you all are actually working these days? Too busy to post?

>> No.15746465

If I'm doing EE in undergraduate, can I pivot to the AI field? I'm learning about machine learning beside my normal coursework, and doing projects by myself. Can I get a job in some AI engineer/research role?

>> No.15746552

>>15746465
Not with just an undergrad, you could do a masters in CS/AI though.

>> No.15746614

>arrive 40 minutes late every morning
>leave 30 minutes early every day
>take an extra 30 minutes at lunch every day
>spend 2 hours every day in the bathroom
Any other ways I can shave some more time off the clock?

>> No.15746617

Oh I forgot
>at least 30 minutes every day slowly walking to the break room for coffee

>> No.15746623

>>15746614
The best way to go about it isn't to aimlessly waste time, but to appear productive when you're actually doing something for yourself. Like bring up a PDF of a book you want to read or whatever.

>> No.15746644

Why the fuck did I study physics?

>> No.15746731

>>15746198
i have a job, ama

>> No.15747044

>>15746198
>So I guess you all are actually working these days?
Well, I have a full time job.
>Too busy to post?
I post mostly during commuting an when I am home. This is a comfy general.

>> No.15747121

I wish I had gone into law.
Imagine getting paid to argue with kikes all day. I'd be larping in my head as Hitler and getting paid for it. Would be awesome.

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Hello, I am a 3rd year Aerospace Engineering student. I wanted to know if calculus III and "thermodynamics" and stuff is normal for AE's to learn. It's not that it is hard or anything my GPA is about a 3.98 but I've been thinking about it and I don't really understand how any of this is gonna help me fly the planes.

>> No.15747353

>>15747251
multivaritate calculus is 110% applicable to aerospace. thermodynamics is usually where youre introduced to fluid statics and optics, which could be handy.

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15747392

>>15747353
>fluid statics and optics, which could be handy.
How? It makes no sense. I haven't even seen an airplane yet and I'm supposed to graduate fall next year. When usually do they teach you to fly them?

>> No.15747483

>>15746644
Because you wanted to.

>>15747251
>>15747392
Are you trolling or just retarded? AE deals with building airplanes, not flying them.

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>>15747392
>When usually do they teach you to fly them?
LMFAO

>> No.15747523

>>15746465
Depends on what AI field you wanna go into. If you're decent at math learning the basics of ML (Ian goodfellow's book) isn't hard.

>> No.15747525

>>15747392
air is a fluid, you know…

>> No.15747540

>>15747392
Nice bait bro.

>> No.15747587

Hey guys, I need your advice. I'm 34 yo. poker player with around 300k savings. At high school I got 1st place in my country in physics and chemistry and I got bronze medal at IChO. I started studying Mechanical Engineering at Nanyang Technological University but dropped out in my second year after I got obsessed with poker and barely attended my classes. It worked out well for me though. I make pretty good living playing poker. However, I'm thinking about going back to school to get into anti-aging. I'm reading about all these supplements and nootropics and it bothers me that I have no idea how all these shit works. I want to have a comprehensive understanding how all these chemicals work and interact with our body and each other. I'm thinking Biochemistry + CS. I learned coding on my own and built my own custom poker trainer that picks bet sizings for me and simplifies strategy of the solver. I think cs will help me if I do research in biochemistry in the future.

Here are my options.
>Studying in South Korea
I have a friend who studied in SK and works there currently. He said that in SK only Seoul National University, KAIST and GIST offer high quality undergraduate education to foreigners. Other colleges take it easy on foreigners and let them pass without trouble, which is not what want of course. I messaged all three explaining my situation and asking about my chances to be admitted. All three replied. KAIST and GIST said that my chances are slim but I should apply anyway. SNU said that I will need to learn Korean first and then apply and if I have decent Korean score then I have decent chance to be admitted.

>> No.15747601

>>15747587
cont.
>Studying in the US
Obviously none of top universities will accept me. So I've looked into solid mid-level universities with solid academics. My options are South Dakota State University, North Dakota State University, University of North Dakota, Cal Poly Pomona. I'm also thinking about going to community college and then transferring, probably in Texas, because UT Arlington and UH offer in-state-tuition to transfer students from community colleges. What you guys think about these options and future prospects of possibly going into anti-aging phd? Are there any other colleges that I should look into?

>Studying in Europe
I haven't looked into it seriously. All my friends who studied in the UK or Germany say it's complete crap. Some acquaintances say that education in Netherland is very good, very rigorous and high paced with a lot of assignments and projects, which is good of course. But doing double major is almost impossible, housing is very expensive and I they don't recognize my school degree so I will need to spend one year in Netherlands studying prep course for uni. Anyone here have experience with Dutch colleges? Any information would be highly appreciated.

>> No.15747621

>>15747251
>>15747392
retard

>> No.15747633

>>15747601
For the US you could always do community college and then guaranteed enrollment into a state school. California, Virginia, North Carolina, Washington, Texas, Colorado, Wisconsin, and others have world class flagship schools. Additionally, no name places can punch surprisingly far above their weight in select areas. I always cite Boise State having the world's premier raptor biology program and Old Dominion having opportunities for physics students, even the occasional undergrad, to do some work at the nearby Thomas Jefferson National Accelerator Facility. Do your homework. Some state school you probably never would have even expected might have just what you're looking for.

>> No.15747682

>>15747633
Can you direct me anywhere where I can find more underrated colleges?

>> No.15747700

>>15747682
I'm not entirely sure how to direct you. My interests are in the nuclear field. The cheat code there was to look for schools near national labs and with reactors on campus. I know less about biotechnology. I can say places like Boston and the Bay Area are major hubs for it. Maybe try looking for cities and regions active in biotech reaseach and look into nearby schools. A quick cursory seach on my part found UMass Amherst to have a reputable biochemistry program.

UMass Amherst appears to have guaranteed transfer agreements with Massachusetts community colleges
https://www.umass.edu/admissions/undergraduate-admissions/apply/masstransfer

Six of the UCs (Davis, Irvine, Merced, Riverside, Santa Barbara, Santa Cruz) of guaranteed transfer admission from California community colleges.
https://admission.universityofcalifornia.edu/admission-requirements/transfer-requirements/uc-transfer-programs/transfer-admission-guarantee-tag.html

The University of Virginia does as well.
https://admission.virginia.edu/transfer/guaranteed-transfer-admission

UW Madison does too if you go to a different University of Wisconsin campus first.
https://admissions.wisc.edu/transfer-agreements/#:~:text=UW%20System%20Guaranteed%20Transfer%20Admission%20Program&text=a%20transfer%20student%3A-,Begin%20as%20a%20new%20freshman%20at%20any%20UW%20university%20or,a%20cumulative%20GPA%20of%203.0.

Hope this helps.

>> No.15747732

>>15747700
Thanks anon, I would look into these colleges. Community college into state flagship seems like the best route for me. But I really don't want to pay 40k tuition, that's why I'm looking into colleges like South Dakota State University which asks 13k OOS tuition. Is it worth paying 40k to UC or UT instead of 13k to SDSU or UH? I hope some other anons will chime in.

>> No.15747752

I left work 3 hours early today.
Hopefully no one told on me or else I'm fired on Monday.

>> No.15747822

>>15746198
im retarded and in school and have nothing to add.

>> No.15747851

>>15747633
>doesnt mention oregon state

>> No.15747884

>>15747732
Just in case we're understanding each other, you're aware community college and state universities do not cost the same right?

>> No.15747918

>>15747884
lol, of course. I will be paying for everything from my pocket. So around 15k-20k for living + tuition per year depending on the state and university. I want to keep my total expenses for 4 years below 120k ideally. To give an example
>Community college 9k tuition, 22k for food, room, books and other shit = 31k per year
>UC Berkeley 44k tuition + 25k for everything else = 69k per year
>Totals 200k for 4 years.
I'm not spending 2/3 of my savings. Sorry. In comparison if I go directly to SDSU
>12k tuition 10k for living = 22k per year
>Roughly 90k for 4 years.
From what I gathered South Dakota State is a solid engineering college, but I couldn't find information about their biochemistry degrees. I'm hoping to find something at similar price, but with high quality education.

>> No.15748031

>>15747601
?US > Netherlands >> Rest
All of our engineering degrees are quality, to bad most are in Dutch, or favor Dutch people. Realistically you can only maybe do your masters here

>> No.15748043

>>15747587
>>15747601
>Europe
Quality varies a lot within Europe. I often recommend Sweden for graduate school since tuition is free for other yurotrash and the quality of education is high (comparable to the Netherlands based on my encounters with Delft, Eindhoven, and Vrije).

Now in your case it's a bit different. Undergrad programs here are not free for people outside the EU and most of them aren't in English (other than business degrees and computer science).

There is one program in "experimental and industrial biomedicine" that is an undergraduate program entirely in English.
Tuition looks to be around 14k USD a year which is comparable with your state schools.

>> No.15748262

>>15746552
If I'm just graduted from undergrad, would an AI company, or any company with an AI role hire me if I highlight my AI-related skills and projects?
>>15747523
I'm not worried about the math part because I'm learning it. I just wanna know if the employer would accept me

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>>15747483
I am being completely serious. I wanted to fly planes but now I almost have a bachelors and haven't flown anything.

>> No.15748452

>>15748407
nigga you can learn to fly in ms flight sim.

>> No.15748508

I'm asked to include my GPA in a cover letter but I don't know how to do it. I have a bachelor degree and I am currently doing a master degree. Do I include the bachelor GPA and the master GPA (as of today) as two separate numbers? Or am I supposed to make a total weighted average of both the bachelor and the master (as of today)?

>> No.15748536

>>15747918
Once you've lived in California or South Dakota for a year these costs should drop. Most places will consider students to be in state once they resided in the state for a full year. It's one of the main reasons I'm advocating community college first. It'll let you get residency for in state tuition for much cheaper. Double check that by reaching out to the schools, since it's probably different you're not American.

>> No.15748553

Going to chose majors for my 2nd year of engineering

Should I go towards electrical or mechanical engineering ? I strongly believe computer engineering is kinda self taught and most of it is theoretical which can be self taught....and it's pretty difficult to get a job in mechanical or electrical department with computer ENG degree but easy to do vice versa with mechanical or electrical degree


Anything else should I consider ?

I already taught a lot of subjects of computer like

>> No.15748673

>>15748553
Electrical Engineer and focus on the computer shit. VHDL, Microcontrollers, Digital Systems, etc. You're more competitive as a EE vs a CE/CS for their jobs.

>> No.15748679

>>15740454
Just submitted an application for a private posting, but having second thoughts. Any anons who can shed some light on what to expect in private universities vs public or the pros/cons?

>> No.15748685

>>15748553
electrical and mechanical are probably both very solid choices. I guess it depends on what you like better.

>> No.15748700

>>15740454
>hungary
>masters in biology
>biology teacher degree
movepill or govpill?

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>>15748700
>>masters in biology
overpill

>> No.15748934

>>15748700
Try govpill, if that fails then movepill or teachpill

>> No.15748951

>>15748262
It'd be a very hard sell.
AI has been a hot topic for years now and there is an abundance of people with a PhD or MS specialized in AI, let alone all the SE/CSES/EECS majors with graduate degrees who, like you, also want to work in AI.
Question is why would they choose you over these other more qualified candidates, which there are many of?
You either have to work for a company that's smaller, in a more remote location (where there are fewer overqualified people), more niche, or work within a field that's adjacent to AI and gradually switch over the course of 2+ years.
Embedded systems often hire EE people even for more software oriented roles, so you could for example work for an embedded systems company in say, the midwest somewhere, and then after two years working with the cross section of embedded and AI move towards a career around AI.

>>15748508
You include the GPA of the most recent one, so the one you're doing. If you had a good GPA in your undergrad I'd mention that as well, but separately.

>> No.15748970

>>15740454
I need help to add fake experience working as software engineer who did c++ development for game engines and make it compelling for Control Engineering job applications. Unfortunately this is the only experience I could secure from my friend, despite my degree in Electrical Engineering.

>> No.15748974

>>15748685
Particular engineering jobs that require actual engineering stuff and design instead of Excel.....btw is masters necessary for this type of job ?

>> No.15748981

>>15740454
all good job are gubberment jobs check out OPM

>> No.15749081

>>15748970
Something to do with PID controllers could work, check Terry's video demoing his physics simulator, it's pretty simple stuff but he shows the equation you need to stabilize a rocket, seems like something you could spin as game dev thing.

>> No.15749221

I ended up in a field I don't care about as a postgraduate because I wasn't accepted anywhere else.
How do I cope?

>> No.15749282

>>15748951
>You include the GPA of the most recent one
Really? I'm just halway through my master, it has much less significance than my bachelor GPA. Also isn't it weird to just say "hey I'm a bachelor doing a master and my master GPA is 3.9", like wouldn't the recruiter surely wonder "well and what is your bachelor GPA? Why was it not included?".
By the way my bachelor's GPA is much lower than my master's GPA, so I would not mind leaving it out. But it seems misrepresenting.

>> No.15749311

>>15748974
I'm pretty sure every engineering field has some boring work involved. Mechanical Engineering for building moving machines, Electrical Engineering for power distribution, circuit boards, and radio. If you want the interesting and cool jobs which are highly desirable you probably need a Masters.

>> No.15749364

>advisor makes me do thesis project I hate
>tell him "this is a bad idea because this optimizes horribly"
>he says don't worry about it, the next person will optimize it
>tell him "security only works in this one context"
>he says don't worry about it, we'll expand it later
>fast forward two years ago
>"anon, did you realize that this optimizes horribly and the security is limited? did you ever consider this? I bet you didn't because I'm so smart"
please god just sign my thesis and let me escape already

>> No.15749412

>>15749364
The boss isn't always right, but he's always the boss.

Having said that I want to fucking kill myself before I work for another retard who shoots himself in the foot and myself in the head.

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15749445

>>15744278
>former neet
>pursue EE degree with below average math skills
You aren't alone anon. Every day I feel like I'm slamming rocks together like a mongoloid. I'm scraping by but it feel like I'm walking a thin line here.

>> No.15749471

>>15749364
Always get things in writing when it comes to backstabbers.

>> No.15749484

>>15749471
Here's a general piece of advice to everyone: get things in writing even if you don't think anyone is a backstabber. It doesn't have to be a signed piece of paper, an email is perfectly fine. If you have a meeting where things were discussed, send an email afterwards saying something like "thanks for your infinite wisdom, just to recap here's the important things that were said".

Especially things that were agreed upon in conversation which would fuck you over if someone didn't adhere to them. Try not to be too obnoxious/obvious about it. If people really don't want to have things recorded in writing that is a MASSIVE red flag.

Things can change for a huge number of reasons, not all of which are malicious. Maybe someone gets hit by a bus and your unusual funding arrangement is no longer going to be upheld by departmental administrators. Maybe someone forgot that they agreed you should be given ownership over a project. Having things in writing will make things so much more straightforward.

>> No.15749501

>>15743220
why are you posting on 4chan complaining instead of trying to do what has been asked of you?
Being deep into technicalities can be a lot to adjust to and 2 months is not enough time to get fully up to speed. However, your boss is only asking for something. I believe in you. Put in the second mile and learn to bullshit more, good luck

>> No.15749514

>>15743908
you're getting shit tested. Try to fake a persona and try to act more interested. With engineers you're talking about nerds and geeks, you have to put a little more work in

>>15744278
>>15749445
practice and grind it out. Completing the degree is worth the effort.

>> No.15749521

>>15749484
I won't disagree with that, but it becomes crucial for the people who will absolutely throw your ass under the bus to further their career.

>> No.15749528

>>15749471
he's not a backstabber in this case, i still have published papers and im going to write my thesis on this, it was just annoying when he tries to "impress" me by pointing out something I literally have told him multiple times over the years

>> No.15749608

>>15748951
I don't know much about the overlap between AI and Embedded systems. My university has elective courses in both ML/robotics and embedded systems. SHould I pick the ML specialization or go down the embedded route then? And like I said, its not like I'm just focusing on my EE courses, I'm teaching myself about AI, and making models by myself. There's a lot of overlap in the math between EE and AI so I've got that down pat too.

>> No.15749794

>>15740454
5 months out from getting my BS in ME and only two interviews so far that went nowhere. It's not been that long but it feels like I'm getting nowhere. I've got over 5 years of work experience too.

>> No.15750036

Can you apply anytime for PhDs in US, or is there a particular deadline every year?

>> No.15750041

>>15740584
I once washed toilets. It got better.
WAGMI.

>> No.15750246

>>15749794
Most undergraduates are unemployed for ~6 months after getting a degree.

>> No.15750586

>>15749794
I studied molecular biology (Also '23 grad). I started applying for jobs in January. Ghosted/Rejected by 99.99% of the applications I put out (Applying for labs all over the US). Got one interview in April with the NIH and got hired for a WFH job reading biomedical research. Been doing it for 5 months now, but I haven't stopped applying for lab work. My fear is that if/when I lose my current job, I won't have gained any transferrable skills I can use to get another job in my field.

>> No.15750641

>>15750036
Usually Dec 1 or Jan 1

>> No.15751049

did anyone here do the first two years of an engineering degree at a community college? did it prepare you for the final two years or no?

>> No.15751111

>>15749282
Yes because your graduate degree is likely more relevant to what you're applying to. Even if it's the same field as your undergraduate. In fact it's positive that your GPA improved, if you still feel iffy about it then put both in your resume and just the masters in the cover letter.

>>15749608
If you can take ML electives then you definitely should take them. Going down the robotics route is a good way to use both EE and AI.

>> No.15751113

Getting filtered in classical mechanics, any tips ? (AP mechanics calc with undergrad concepts too) a more rigorous version than normal AP mechanics calc classes

>> No.15751292

>>15751113
Statics? Dynamics? Mass changes? What part is filtering you?
Nearly all classical mechanics is just trying to balance forces and/or conserve energy/momentum. You just have to split your system into solvable equations.

>> No.15751570

I have to do my "performance review" on Tuesday which honestly feels retaliatory but I've been here 2 months and still don't know anything because there's no training. I was applying like crazy last week in the hopes that I'd get another job before now and just would ghost but it didn't happen. Thinking about ghosting anyways even though I really don't have any money.

>> No.15751612

>>15751111
>if you still feel iffy about it then put both in your resume and just the masters in the cover letter.
Good idea, I can live with that. Thank you anon

>> No.15752331

>>15751292
Dynamics, forces, collision

My teacher didn't explained Newton's laws of motion properly and didn't focused much on free body diagram either

>> No.15752338

>>15751111
partly the reason why I'm learning ML on my own is because the electives feel much to inadequate. they cover few topics and shallow in robotics and ML.

>> No.15752435

>>15752331
That teacher sounds like the problem then. You can separate every force/collision into Cartesian component (a force pointing in the x,y,z plane). A free body diagram helps you split them up. Solving problems then falls to using the conservation of energy, momentum, Newton 1, 2 and 3. With these you find the energy-momentum states before, during and after collision/movement and solve in the x,y,z planes to find the forces or velocities that you don't know. Watch out for center of mass and torque. So long as everything is elastic. Plastic collisions at this level usually just mean a fixed percentage of the collision energy is lost but can get really fucky if deformation of the object is included.

I can't think of any good pure mechanics textbooks right now other than Landau & Lifshitz volume 1, but that's a bit of a beast. Statics and dynamics is how every generalist textbook will start though. Do check out what's available in at a university or local library (university library more likely) or pirate something like Young & Freedman: university physics. Any undergraduate textbook will be appropriate. Try online tutorials or even >Kahn academy
If you're particularly stuck on any problems you could try /sqt/.
Otherwise just keep working at it. Mechanics is essential to pretty much all engineering and physics so you need to get your head around it at some point.

>> No.15752679

>>15752435
Thanks anon, Landau sounds too advance and Khan academy is more algebra based physics with problems that don't require much brain storming

The type of problems which are given on our exams are little bit lower than the Olympiad level physics problems

And our teacher just assumed we know everything and is brushing up the course like revision :(

Any reference material I should read ? We have Physics for scientist and engineer by John t market

>> No.15752817

>>15752679
The Feynman lecture notes (though he goes over it very quickly).
Stanford Classical Mechanics lecture series on YouTube is great but probably goes way too far.
A book like "Physics with answers" by King and Regev will give you a bunch of worked-through problems, ramping in difficultly, but you need something to teach you the concepts first.

I'm having a look through a review copy of Physics For... and it looks pretty good. Not many books talk through problem-solving strategies like that. The example solutions are well explained. Honestly my only complaint is the revolting styling and layout of the book.
As reference material it should be more than enough, will go further than you probably need but lead up to it gently so long as your calulus is up to scratch.

>> No.15752862

I'm working a wagie entry level IT job after finishing my degree. I consider this a stepping stone. Now, this position has a lot of down time and I want to know how you guys think I should spend it there. Do I review concepts I saw in my classes? Practice my math? Search for other jobs? I graduated in physics and I'm fairly aimless right now. I don't feel confident enough to be a tutor and I applied for several laboratory positions in this new town I moved to and couldn't get an interview. Should I get a comptia A+ certification? I've been here for a month and I wish there was more for me to do.

>> No.15753031

>>15752862
Depends on what your plans are. Are you gonna stay in IT, go to grad school, go into research in some physics field...? Need a bit more to go off of.

>> No.15753494

>>15753031
I really don't know. I'm probably not going to grad school unless I can get an employer to pay for it. If I stay in IT I feel like I'm at a disadvantage and wasted time finishing my degree. I really don't know where to jump into research at this point, I did one year of it in 2018 and I don't have any contacts or anything. Genuinely at a loss with a b.s. making $16 an hour

>> No.15753637

>>15753494
>I really don't know
Yeah that's a problem.
Reviewing your old coursework is most likely a waste of time, I think you first need to decide whether you want to get a "physics job", a software job, or something else.

>> No.15753745

Why is it that people have such a doomer view on Biology here? Are the career prospects that bad or is it a regional problem and that the opportunities are found elsewhere? If it really is that bad, are there any niches within the field where there's some hope?

>> No.15753788

>>15753745
>Why
People have been reporting bad news straight from the trenches. That is the main strength of this general: being anonymous we can be totally honest about things no university would ever admit or any newspaper ever write about.
The FAQ is too hot for anyone to publish under their own name.

>> No.15753791

How do I overcome profound mental retardation?

>> No.15753794

>>15753788
>That is the main strength of this general: being anonymous we can be totally honest about things no university would ever admit or any newspaper ever write about.
Yes and the weakness is that any unqualified person can make up whatever they want and post endless bullshit with zero accountability or verification.

>> No.15753872

How much does the school on the diploma matter for a PhD?

>> No.15753894

>>15753872
Less than the research group / department

>> No.15754619

Supposed to get up for work at 6
It's already 1 AM
have my performance review tomorrow
thinking about just not showing up

>> No.15755110

Got a B on a grad school homework, it's over

>> No.15755555

Holy fuck that was awful
They just berated me for an hour and a half straight
My boomer boss started out trying to be le logical but the longer it went on the angrier he got and his voice just kept raising until he was screaming at me without even realizing it
I honestly almost got up and left
Duck these ppl I gotta get a new job man

>> No.15755575

>>15753794
>the weakness
True. The only thing we can is to see if it is corroborated here or preferably outside /scg/.

>> No.15755743

>>15753794
>the weakness is that any unqualified person can make up whatever they want
When you ask people irl they will also make things up due to choice-supportive bias.
You shouldn't base your entire opinion on 4chinz of course.

>> No.15755770

>>15755743
4chan is my only stream of information, as debased as that information is

>> No.15755798

Anyone working in or have experience in the GS 1500s series? With a BS applied math with top 10% class GPA, is it plausible to go in for a GS11-04 or GS12-01 position? . Going in at a GS-9 or lower, id probably be better off flipping burgers at McDonald's.
Makes me wonder how government agencies are keeping people, especially since more ambitious and less risk averse STEM graduates could work anywhere else for much more.

>> No.15755808

>>15755798
I had 2 government jobs offered to me
I have a bsee
They were offering starting pay of $49k a year

>> No.15755822

>>15755808
What pay grade? Im making 87k gross right now, and am about to finish my BS and wanted to transition to a white collar job. Very discouraging, as it seems it was decided when I was born that I would never be allowed to move up the class ladder.

>> No.15755825

>>15755822
I don’t remember but they base it off your gpa

>> No.15755848

>>15755798
>>15755822
If it’s a ladder, then you’ll only be at the GS-9 for a year. Most technical positions have a 9-11-12 ladder, so you should compare the GS-11/12 salary for a good comparison to your current salary. If necessary, mention your salary and request a step equivalent matching pay. With a high GPA I could see yoy starting at GS-9 step 8 or 9 easily. Effectively, consider it an observation period of 1 year.

>> No.15755900

Over the past 3 years I've become a richfag and don't need to work anymore. I'm thinking of going back for a PhD in math in the future due to lacking anything better to do. What do you even do to get back on that track if you've been out of school for over 10 years? I got a BS in math from a mid-tier school and did most of the grad courses they offered during UG, but didn't pursue a PhD due to opportunity costs, and I didn't work in a related field.

>> No.15755930

Physicist who's gone into aerospace engineering here. Expertise in quantum computing. Can I work as a consultant and if so, how do I get into that? Should I freelance or try to get employed by a big player?

>> No.15755934

>>15755900
I finished my UG last year and being honest with myself, id take a year to review before even applying, but I never considered myself PhD material anyways.

>> No.15755941

>>15755825
>>15755848
Ever so slightly comforting, thanks. I didn't know gs10 was skipped and you ranked up that fast. In that case it's not bad with Healthcare and pension.

>> No.15755943

Why do people in US masters when a PhD is free and allows you to exit prematurely with a masters?

>> No.15755952

>>15755934
I started doing this and I found my retention was pretty good. The problem is more that I have no idea who I would have as a reference and don't have any research experience.

>> No.15755977

>>15755952
I am extremely socially anxious and what I've thought about is doing a masters and then applying for a PhD, but its a lot of money while you're a non funded masters student.

>> No.15755984

>>15755943
Entry to masters is a much lower bar, and just because you are accepted into a PhD does not mean its funded even at a reasonable level. US also has many professional and terminal masters intended to meet job hiring requirements. Finally there are persons with interest in the material but not much interest in doing research at the grueling time consuming level required for some fields such as experimental physics. It ultimately boils down to a product of academic interest and workplace culture.

>> No.15756591

has all the work dried up?
I had a dogshit resume and I used to get dozens of call backs. Had 12 offers at least. Used to have several interviews a week. Now I can't get anyone to reply. Been trying for a month and just nothing

>> No.15757102

>>15756591
>has all the work dried up?
Essentially, yes. Western economy is heading for the abyss, and students about to graduate will return for master's and PhDs.
POliticians say we will be out of the tunnel in 2 years so expect it will take close to 10 years, like it did last time, and every time.
Batten down the hatches, keep expenses down and save wherever you can.

>> No.15757109

>>15757102
I really hate my job and need out though.
Also going back in for a master's sounds retarded when it costs like $15k a semester.

>> No.15757122

Does the mg and the reaction "N" that the body oppose is an example of action reaction pair ?


If we say a man on ground is pulling two strings, does that mean the mg and N will cancel out ?
In which type of cases do we cancel MG and Normal recation "N" ?

>> No.15757530

>>15740584
I work as a food delivery guy 35 hrs/week with a molbio masters

>> No.15758158

>>15755900
If you're richfag enough to sponsor your own PhD, most places will take you regardless of experience or maybe competence. Might be worth taking some masters courses or even doing a masters first. Once you're back in the university ecosystem there are a ton of resources to get you back on track between library books, access to research review papers or just a supervisor to point you in the right direction.

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Bros I need some advice, my phd supervisor never reads my shit, what do?

I keep getting feedback like "this paragraph is missing x" or "this figure is not being explained" when it's literally on the very next line or paragraph.

What I usually do is duplicate it and copy and paste it so it's in both paragraphs, send it to be checked, and when he (eventually after sometimes weeks) gives me the all clear, I change it back and send it in for review.

I'm wasting so much time going back and forth with this boomer all for nothing.

>> No.15758461

Anyone have any experience with Fulbright or similar programs?
I'm working with my uni on editing my application and I'm wondering if there is anything I could specifically do to make my application more competitive.

>> No.15758481

>>15758164
I understand ya. Seems you don't really meet with them in person? Might be that they're just not too invested in really reviewing your work. They have other shit to do and if they have a lot of PhD students, then they can only devote so much time to someone they don't interact with regularly.
I would recommend trying to form a more personal relationship with them and "prove" your worth not only as an asset for their research, but your own ability to help them get more status in the future. Shitty situation, but unfortunately I never found another solution for that issue.
There's always the possibility their brain has just rotted. Seen a rare few professors like that who need to be tard wrangled by the department but lets hope that's not the case for yours.

>> No.15758511

>>15757530
I knew a postdoc who got a position at Oxford - in the kitchen. Feels bad. Worse, I cannot find him anymore.

>> No.15758804

>>15758481
>Seems you don't really meet with them in person?
I do, but rarely for just revising papers, since he travels often and I'm always moving between two research departments on different campuses.
Dunno if they just kind of don't give a shit or they skim through without actually reading.

>> No.15759070

>>15758804
Yeah, I'd say they're just not really interested. In that case I'd try to find a way to make them interested or get another advisor who is.

>> No.15759159

>>15755798
Yes I do. If you want to climb faster, look for defense acquisition jobs (you can find a few 1500 series jobs for these out there, sometimes it'll say interdisciplinary, you should still apply). The acquisition community follows a different pay scale (usually 4 levels or 5 levels) meaning they can offer you actually good money to start and you can jump up levels very quickly.

As a BS holder, you'd likely get a GS-9 or maybe a GS-10. Look into Palace Acquire as well (and other job/internship programs) since those typically spit you out at GS-12 at least.

Also, government keeps people for a few reasons.
1) you can be lazy as fuck and you're literally unfirable (like there's nothing anyone can do)
2) you are hourly not salaried meaning that you actually DO make a lot more money depending on what you do (I know people in testing that make %50 more than their actual salary due to overtime not counting travel). You can also literally REFUSE work over 40 hours and there's nothing anyone can do. You don't have to work late... ever.
3) The atmosphere is different in federal work because you don't gain ANYTHING by being shark like. You're not going to get a promotion over someone else for dunking on them. Stealing work doesn't help you. Your supervisors genuinely don't care much about your productivity or metrics.
3) The experience looks sexy to government contractors (more sexy than military experience) meaning you can make a lot of money if you do switch
4) You can get very high clearances very quickly
5) you actually do get a modicum of power especially once you start breaking into the GS-14 and above areas.
6) there are certain jobs and work that you can ONLY do with the government.

The private industry pretty much only provides wealth and the atmosphere of A LOT of the jobs is just horrible. Like I can't imagine working for Amazon or Walmart.

>> No.15759892

are linkedins worth it?

>> No.15759906

>>15759892
Yes.
Just don't go overboard. Make sure you link to a few fellow students or colleagues, or it will look like a fake profile.

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15759952

I will go forth for and pursue a geology degree, and I am hoping to work in Alaska in the mining and gas sectors. Anyone else here who is a geologist or a person in a similar situation?

I am interested to hear peoples opinions as I have gathered that this is a degree which has somewhat poor job prospects.

>> No.15760121

>>15759906
NTA but when do I make a Linkedin?

>> No.15760191

>>15760121
Do it while you are still a student so that you can connect to people that still remember you. That is important for getting professors to remember you so that you can get an internship. A lot of internshipss depend on networking alone.

>> No.15760195

>>15759159
To lurkers - whenever someone is selling you a vision about how you aren’t going to have to work at all and will be unfireable, take it with a huge grain of salt

>> No.15760309

>>15760195
I am looking forward to the day government workers can be fired for lack of efficiency. They won't. And that was a big part in why Trump was unpopular with the self declared elite.

>> No.15761070

Not a bait or false post. My 18 year old cousin committed suicide today. No suicide note, but most likely because he didn't get into his university of choice last month, a top one.
He was Asian and middle class, rural American. His parents are inconsolable and the whole family is broken.
What can we do, as professionals and academics, to make youngsters realize that not getting the best grades or not getting into a top/target university is not the end? That there's more to life and a successful career in science can be still be achieved by not going to a top/target university.
I have previously used and posted on /scg/ but never thought I would make this post. Really would appreciate the input of anons here.
(Some details changed for anonymity)

>> No.15761180

>>15759892
If you want to get hired in any Western country for a white collar job, yes.

>> No.15761259

>>15759892
Yes it's very much worth it.
You don't have to use it actively, but just have a picture and a complete profile.

>>15760121
I'd say after your first year of undergrad is a good time to start. Better late than never. Don't be afraid to spam everyone you kind of know with connect requests.

>> No.15761276

>>15761070
I am sorry to hear about your loss.

My impression is that many with Asian roots aim for the top with the unstated thinking that anything else is a total failure. And that does not have to be the case. I for one got into a university that is not even in the top 400 and I still got a good job. Far more goes into success than the name and ranking of the university.

BTW I thought my old university was at least in the top 300, so checking Times Higher Education now kind of grinds my gears. I guess I am proving my point to a greater extent then I first thought.

In my family we do not care about status, but we care about things that perhaps makes us a bit old fashioned: honest work and grinding through. None in my extended family ever cared about wealth or status, but over time many have through their work rather than through background achieved recognition among peers. So the long winded point I am trying to make, is that not gaining entry to that university or that position is an irrecoverable failure. I have failed quite a few things but you can recover from more things than people realise. And as friends or family we have to set the expectations right.

>> No.15761282

>>15761070
it's a family thing. my parents didn't finish high school, and didn't want me to go to university at all.

>> No.15761375

Finished my degree requirements this summer, but degree technically doesn't confer until January 2024. Makes it look like I took an entire extra year on the resume. Are employers are going to think I'm special needs or something?

>> No.15761475

>>15761375
It's fine as long as you fill the gap with work experience or an internship or something.

>> No.15761509

>>15761070
It's the parents fault.
That shit literally does not fucking matter in the least. If you are the best you will be the best, it has nothing to do with what location you're at.
Some fuck head indian kid that read math books for fun is famous for being some genius that died pooing on loo

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15761514

Hey guys. I'm a 4th year in my math BS and I seriously have no idea what the fuck I'm going to do after this year. I have nothing front of me and I'm over 100k in debt.
No one has some to tell me anything at all. My mom said that I should apply for graduate school but I don't really know how I feel about another 4 years of school.

>> No.15761531
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15761531

>get a lot of praise for doing a good job
>half of the time I'm just sitting in my cubicle doing nothing but pretending to look busy
Being a power engineer is fucking awesome.

>> No.15761558

>>15761531
>>half of the time I'm just sitting in my cubicle doing nothing
But you are making valuable thermal energy

>> No.15761600

I really want to do my master's but I can't afford it.
My company will not pay for it. Is there any way to get funding from somewhere?

>> No.15761608

>>15761514
how the hell will you have 100k in debt in undergrad? did you go to a private uni like a retard?

>> No.15761610

any advice on transitioning out of wet lab work?
I don't hate the work but it's clear how much better everyone outside of the lab has it as far as pay and chances for hybrid/remote work. Ideally I'd split my time between the lab doing HPLC and writing scripts or doing some kind of data science. However it seems like most companies would rather hire an analytical chemist and a data scientist than someone in between.
I've got a BS in chem and 5 years experience in microbiology if that matters.

>> No.15761622

>>15761531
yeah it's awesome until shit hits the fan

>> No.15761636

>>15761608
Yes, it was closest to my house

>> No.15761698

I signed up to take the FE exam in about 2.5 weeks after having graduated like 7 years ago

How fucked am I.

I'm studying every night and doing practice problems cramming and hoping that I can pass being good at referencing the FE handbook they allow you to use

>> No.15761831

>>15761600
Go to a different company that will pay for it. Literally start looking for alternatives NOW and make it clear in interviews that it's a must.

There are probably other ways, but your company paying for is going to be the easiest. You could also look for work at organizations that are tied explicitly to universities. There are lot of engineering and defense labs/orgs that are attached to universities like JHU APL and because of that, you can pursue higher education at the institution for free.

>> No.15761837

>>15761276
>>15761509
Thanks anons. At least I can now use this opportunity to try and educate people in my family about setting expectations correctly.

>> No.15761852

>>15761698
I know people that took the FE hungover and still passed. FE is kinda like a shit test for engineers, if you can do the practice problems well enough you probably didn't sleepwalk through your education. The PE grind is the real tuff stuff.

>> No.15761870

>>15761837
But serious what are they expecting that making your child think that they should die if the world isn't perfect? That's fucking stupid.
People that don't experience love will have such mental illness that dying is slightly better than living.
For instance children that are abused and subject to drugs will then start doing drugs, and they will abuse substances until they die because they have no regard for life. The pleasure of drugs is better than the pain of their existence.
This kind of study has actually been done with rats, where when they are in happy communities and thriving then they will choose to not abuse drugs and OD.
Life is imperfect, that is a lesson children need to learn to overcome that imperfection. That is why the parents are so upset, they know they are guilty. They know in some way they killed their son and it's a heavy guilt because it's true.
I don't blame them though, no one knows how to perfect life, they will make mistakes like killing their child. It's a natural consequence of imperfection.
This is why after I went through an atheist phase I was the worst I had ever been, but exercise and christianity brought me back up. It's not that I'm saying you NEED to be religious, but that constructs like happiness are also merely religion, and so I'd rather be happy and religious. Not that I'm one of those deranged protestants like my grandmother. Nothing can be perfect and seeking some kind of perverse lust towards perfection is itself imperfect.

>> No.15761919

>>15761831
I had the opportunity to do that but it didn't seem like a great deal. I was looking at a significant pay cut and then I would be obligated to stay with them at least 2 years AFTER obtaining the degree (so in total 4 years from now at minimum) or else I'd have to pay all the money back.
In the era of job hopping 4 years seems like a massive commitment.
I don't think any company just hands out tuition money without wanting some kind of similar shackles. From their perspective they aren't paying for your degree out of charity, it's an attempt to boost retention by chaining you to the company.

>> No.15761927

>>15761831
Also I was a below average undergrad and I only got into a graduate program by miracle so it has to be at my specific program because there's no way in hell I'm getting accepted to any other.

>> No.15761926

I've hit a wall studying undergrad math.
I can't solve exercises fast enough to deliver my homework.
I kind of want to study software engineering instead but it's my 6th year studying and I'm still in 4th year, should I give up and go for software engineering?

>> No.15762077

How shit would it be to work in a foundry?

>> No.15762145

Can I become an actuary if I have a BS in pure math? I looked it up and apparently they make 100k.

>> No.15762162

>>15740676
Congrats anon. What jobs are you looking for? Try to look into entry level consulting if you really can't find anything else, they don't really have strict degree requirements.
t. live in the UK
>>15762145
I assume you're talking about the US. It is true that actuaries make a lot. My friends studying math at top universities in the US are also looking to become actuaries, so it is a competitive job.
There's also professional actuary exams that you have to pass and even CFA sometimes.

>> No.15762173

Actually I looked it up and Quants make more money.
How do I become a Quant?
t. BS in pure maths

>> No.15762185

>>15762173
Be from a target school (optional, but a huge advantage)
Be really smart and accomplished
Crush the interviews

>> No.15762517

>>15761698
Fucked pretty hard, I highly doubt you have used every undergrad topic in your job for the past 7 years. I studied for 2 months after college and passed but I was fresh out and only needed to relearn a couple of topics.

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15763052

Do I really have to include these bullshit paragraphs in my resume? Please tell me I can leave them out. It's being accompanied by a nicely written cover letter anyway, where I show interest for and understanding of the company, and detail how I am a good fit.

>> No.15763128

>>15741555
Encode the information then practice recalling it.

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>>15763052
You absolutely should not include them, only boomers have those included.

Use the Harvard guide, also avoid the templates with two columns, they sometimes work poorly with the tracking systems HR uses.

>> No.15763142

>>15742438
Why get a PhD if you don't want to stay in academia?

>> No.15763149

>>15743181
You need to know a a few powerful people in the field. It's 95% who you know and 5% what you know, just like everything else.

>> No.15763258

All my friends and peers are doing Ivy League grad schools or have the gpa to do so if they want. I’m stuck trying to memorize drugs so some fat ass millennial can bitch about their adderal and ozempic addiction at Walgreens. I’d be in my thirties if I tried relearning math to go back to school for a quantitative field. Im ngmi.

>> No.15763260

>>15761852
I literally haven't used calc and most of these concepts for 7 years. I see them and know I KNEW them once upon a time but its unlocking those memories is what I'm working towards

The stuff I'm most worried about is just doing the math and not so much the concepts

I'm less worried about the Power PE exam because thats stuff I do every day already

>>15762517
the TI-36X seems to be able to do a lot of math that I'm hoping I can leverage for easy answers. Systems of equations, matrices etc. There is no way I could do that shit by hand anymroe

>> No.15763300

>>15763052
that personal skills section is useless and can be omitted. but you definitely should have a "career objective" sentence or two which is general enough to apply to all the jobs you're targeting but specific enough to mean something to you personally

>> No.15763536

How do I know I even qualify for a job? I'm fresh out of school, I did well on all my courses but have 0 work experience. The one thing I'm afraid of is I apply for a job, and first day of work I literally do not know how to do stuff.

>> No.15763576

>>15763536
just apply, they'll train you. you probably won't use anything you learned anyway and many companies will recognize this

>> No.15763726

>>15763132
>>15763300
Thank you anons

>> No.15763829

>>15763142
I just want to know my options

>> No.15764037

>>15763142
It's inadvisable to enter academia without an exit plan as a backup. Can very easily go belly up if you're unlucky with supervisors, funding, postdocs, etc.

>> No.15764057

I didn't go to my interview today because I woke up and was too tired.
I hate myself.

>> No.15764209

>>15763132
>Action Verbs
This was the verbal equivalent of a firm handshake combined with levelling the door and laying down supressive fire. I guess no interview is over until the office is totalled.

>> No.15764333

>>15764057
I did the same but for a job fair. It's not like I was going to get hired anyways - too much competition.

>> No.15764499

>>15761622
The campus I'm working at is nearly 70 years old. Shit is constantly hitting the fan.

>> No.15764507

>>15748673
How does the EE degree make him more competitive compared to a CE degree? The CE degree places focus on what you just recommended in the EE realm. He won't be a worst candidate or better than an EE for these. He'll be more attractive if these positions require PCB design or some shit like that, but its not by much.

>> No.15764515
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15764515

>be me
>be cs major
>be retarded/uninspired
>idk what do after school
>end up with no internships
>part of it was even interns are expecting to have experience and through school interns are fucking stupid
>finish uni
>try applying
>denied denied denied
>end up in a bank
>feel like stuck in a dead end
>internal jobs finally one day offers up a program for cs tards
>might actually make it
All in all, it feels like the only way to make it anymore is to unironically know people or be within some corpos system already and work up
That being said, anyone experience anything similar and if so what expect? They say they'll teach me all the finance end of the job but still

>> No.15764521

>>15764507
Because of the versatility. EEs with a concertation will not understand the software requirements but also the hardware requirements. An EE will understand power requirements, DSP, electromagnetics, PID, etc. Now of course it depends on the program but from my alma matter that wasn't focused on for CEs. That's why it's more competitive. It's not only that he would know some of what a CE would know, but more.

>> No.15764952

>>15764209
The main benefit of action verbs is your sentences describing your experience become more concise.
>Developed back-end code in Python
is shorter and easier for retarded HR people to understand than
>I was part of the back-end development team where I used Python to develop APIs....
while still getting the point across that you're qualified for a position.

>>15763536
If you fulfill half of the written requirements in the job description (and 90% of the minimum requirements) then you're highly likely to be qualified enough.

>> No.15764957

>>15764507
>>15764521
This varies a lot between universities though.
CS programs were historically spinoffs of CE programs which in turn were spinoffs of EE programs.
Many universities for example don't separate EE and CE, and offer EECE programs instead. Many European countries don't even have a distinction between CS and CE, and have joint CS/CE programs.
So saying that EEs are more competitive than CEs would depend entirely on what the industry is and how the curriculum looks like.

So for >>15748553 the choice is where on the hardware/software spectrum they want to be, and what their university offers and how their program is structured.
Based on the post, mechatronics/robotics seems to have the most overlap between EE, ME, CE that have been mentioned. In which case he should pick the major that either has a track for robotics or the major that's recommended for the graduate program in robotics at that school.

>> No.15765099

>>15764515
>All in all, it feels like the only way to make it anymore is to unironically know people or be within some corpos system already and work up
That is very often the case.
See if you can get your job to pay for an MBA. Having a paper trail for your skills is important, and the people you meed in the MBA studies will also be your network.

>> No.15765106

>>15764515
Yes, you need to know people as well as be able to work with people well meaning you'll need to explain your work to people who don't understand

>> No.15765238
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15765238

Going through paralysis analysis. Need help in finalising my engineering major by the end of this month and I boiled it down to EE and ME. I also want the option to work in data science/engineering positions as a backup plan.
Mechanical Engineering

What I'm interested in:

room temp superconductors, CNT, 3D printing and niche areas in robotics, combustion engines and propulsion systems.

2. What I hate:

jobs in my area consist of HVAC, consultation and supervising a manufacturing plant that has no area for creativity. Innovation seems to be outpaced by cs and ee.

3. What I am good at:

CAD, technical drawings and graphics design

4. What the world needs:

stable growth at 4% (job outlook)

5. What I am paid for:

Descent pay
Electrical and Comp Eng

What I'm interested in:

Implementing ML/DL for material discovery and automation, energy storage and electric cars

2. What I am good at:

linear algebra

3. What I hate:

electronics projects and inexperienced in programming

4. What the world needs:

moderate to high growth at 6-20% (job outlook)

5. What I am paid for:

descent but slightly higher

As of now, I am leaning towards the latter however I will be missing out on the CAD aspect since I topped my industrial design class in HS.

>> No.15765527

>>15765238
ME undergrad into DS/DE would've been possible 5 years ago, nowadays not a chance.

>> No.15765577

>>15765527
What's the play these days?

>> No.15765629

Every day I curse my family for moving me back to the UK from the US. If you don't get into Oxbridge you might as well rope, because the Russell group cope is useless.

>> No.15765636

>>15765238
Here's my advise to you:

Stop being so fucking autistic and weird and get "interested" in the most mundane, boring, yet in demand ME or EE subfield and then double down on that.

Your post pissed me off to an unbelievable degree, never post shit like that again in this general.

>> No.15765668

>>15765577
For MEs? Robotics lets you pivot into embedded and generally any specialization where you use PLCs lets you pivot into manufacturing/industrial engineering, HVAC is still the best ME safety.
A thing I've been seeing more of lately is computational structural analysis, not just for construction but also satellite components etc., cbtm.

>> No.15765669

>>15765636
exactly

embedded systems in EE>>

>> No.15765900

Why do so many people want to do a PhD? It's strange. Most people I know who want to do a PhD aren't even that passionate about the subject.

>> No.15766091

What's the best/quickest way to prepare for Cal 1?

>> No.15766107

>>15766091
What is Cal 1?

>> No.15766153

Is low voltage like the cucks of EE?

>> No.15766168

>>15765900
Status striving. It's a classic bugman behavior.

>> No.15766230

>>15765900
Most of my cohort didn't do a PhD. Although for sure there are more people in PhD programs than there are PhD-level jobs, but that goes for every level of higher education these days. And on that note, you might well ask the question of why those people who aren't passionate about their subject decided to get any degree in the first place.

Especially in the sciences, jobs which allow you to actually do work relevant to your degree often require a PhD (or at least are easier to get with a PhD). Since everyone and their dog has a Master's degree these days, it's a way to stand out academically. It's also the path of least resistance for some, as you stay in the familiar university system, although of course that isn't a good reason.

As for being passionate, I'd say the realities of PhD life will kill all of that pretty quick.

>> No.15766296

>>15764499
Mine is 100 years old. Only a matter of time before it all burns down. I will scurry away like a roach.

>> No.15766310

>>15766107
Calculus 1

>> No.15766311

>>15765629
British degrees are fine, the problem is that British employment is really, really bad. So get your degree and then leave the country.

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>>15740454
>crypto bro
>Oct 2017-present
>Wendy's wagie
>Jan 2015 - Jan 2015
O I am laffin

>> No.15766325

>>15765900
I made the mistake of studying physics , but I don't especially want an MBA or an MFA and I had a taste of engineering but didn't care for it. PhD it is I guess.

>> No.15766338

Literally every single functioning adult who isn't homeless has a career.

Why is it so fucking hard to get hired anywhere. I've never even come close to getting hired. It feels like getting a job is an elite hobby, only real winners who are willing to put in years of work get one. And yet, everyone works somewhere....

>> No.15766341

>>15765238
Don't even touch high-tc superconductor. Room temp doesn't exist and if it did it won't be useful. Pretty much nothing you would want to make out of superconductors would work at room temp regardless of the superconductor.

The field is also a crapshoot with some of the laziest and least-scientific research I have ever seen. It's just people creating irreproducible ceramics and characterising them over and over with no method or theory to back it up.

T. Superconducting circuit physicist

>> No.15766345

>>15766296
>100 years old
Holy shit. I can only imagine the ancient dinosaurs for switchgears in there.

>> No.15766534

>>15766338
It was easier in the past

>> No.15766548

>>15766534
>>15766338

Every functional adult has a job, not everyone has a career. A job is easy enough to get, but good jobs aren't. That much hasn't really changed, but what has changed is that most "normal" jobs barely keep you alive. Jobs that will allow you to have luxuries such as owning your accommodation and having a family are few and fiercely fought for.

I should say I'm aware I'm demoralized.

>> No.15766648

Fuck I want to do master's so bad and I'm going to have to drop out the program because I can't afford fucking $15k a semester.

>> No.15766672

>>15766648
Masters are free bro

>> No.15766717

>>15766672
Not for me. They charge tuition.

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>>15766091
>What's the best/quickest way to prepare for Cal 1?
What worked for is to get the textbook and class syllabus in advanced, and just work through the chapters before your class starts. Look up youtube videos on calculus I problems and study them.

Maintained straight A's from Calc I - III that way.

>> No.15767962

>>15765900
Most of them want a PhD on paper, but in reality, they'll just Master out; financial aid for a Masters is hard to come by, sure you can have your employer fund it for you, but that requires them hiring you as an undergr*d, which is almost impossible because no one is willing to hire some rando out of college with no (relevant) experience.

>> No.15767981

>>15765629
Stay there, we don't want more snobby Euros coming here and bragging about the utopia that is Europe.

>> No.15768396

>>15767981
>the utopia that is Europe
Only immigrants and our politicians that bring in the immigrants believe this.

>> No.15768869

>>15768396
Word
It is utopia for those who are culturally/socially/ethnically like the majority in the country.
Being an immigrant is then like hell on earth for those who deviate and face a certain implicit bullying social force unless they are able to find their own niche and achieve self realisation (comfortable with themselves and thereby become high-achieving). If not, then pretty brutal.

>> No.15769118

>>15766672
>debt is free
american mindset

>> No.15769155

>>15766717
>>15769118
You're supposed to have your employer pay for it lmao'ing at your life.