/sci/ - Science & Math

Why are (You) still coping an October launch? Yes (You).

Fuck the FAA and the environment

>>15747840

nothing interesting is happening

Total earther death

Fun fact: there are actually no endangered species at boca chica, its a scam

>>15747849
The CIA- I mean the Biden admini- I mean the FWS disagrees.

>>15747852
It's one of the most categorically bullshit technicalities. The very northern edge of two endangered species are in the vicinity of the site, but the enormous majority of their territory is in Mexico.

>>15747926
https://twitter.com/TrungTPhan/status/1702919980462018908

Another anecdote about cost+

>>15747845
What if the martians are rolling around in vehicles with the same tire pattern as perseverance and that's why nobody noticed!!!!!!!

>>15747928

>>15747927
Red Bull should sponsor some Polaris missions, with an eventual second attempt at the world record for the highest jump, FROM ORBIT
karman line spacejump copers would get assblasted for all eternity

>>15747930
Wasn't this one also related to ULA corruption? I feel like I remember the supplier also contracting for ULA, and then a leak revealed that ULA was leaning on the supplier to price SpaceX out of being able to buy anything from them

>>15747933
Why aren't Falcon launches already sponsored?
Imagine the rocket covered in ads like a race car or a soccer player

>>15747928
>>15747930
It's funny too because it's played off as if Musk is some kind of giga genius when in reality, anyone with a decent IQ would be able to look at this shit and say "uh yeah no get fucked niggerkike I'll make that component myself". Shows how bad the competency crisis and government contractor corruption is.

>>15747938
nobody pays any attention to the unmanned launches any more, and NASA cucks probably won't allow a ComCrew with sponsored livery

A Polaris mission would be literally perfect for Red Bull, though

>>15747926
so this why Tom Mueller was researching bathroom stalls

>>15747949
now you know why X allows hiding your likes. it's risky business

https://twitter.com/byspto/status/1702880708312916389
does the anon who keeps asking for tiangong pics still around?

>>15747843

>>15747939
Vertical integration has its own risks
Apple's track record of making all its parts itself has led to some pretty large delays, and they micromanage just as hard as Elon

>>15747926
Air conditioning systems for a house costs $ 6000 ??? Also wouldn't it be simple to just cool the payload bay by storing cryogenic gases and letting them evaporate?

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>>15747967
>turn payload bay into oxygen rich environment
yeah great idea bub, creative idea but i don't think it would work.

>>15747935
uh isn't that illegal
>>15747930
Reminds me of the time he told his employee to go to the highway and look for truck carrying containers that could be used as rockets

>>15747963

>TransAstra
isn't that just Kemp in a fucking dress?

>>15747967
when i was in school, i worked on an assembly line for large CO2 filters that you see in the back of some office rooms where you expect large amounts of people to gather, also classrooms.

anything that pumps large amounts of air quickly is generally large and expensive itself. there's a lot of work that goes into it.

>>15747962
cool pic I'm just curious how this can be explained from a flat earth perspective

>>15747965
The difference being Foxconn factories that suck your dick and sell you slave labour for any kind of contract for your shit tier consumer electronics no one cares about vs. ITAR aerospace FAA and whoever else government faggots watching over your shoulder. Suck start a shotgun

>>15747976
kek

>>15747975
*just fyi was only doing this as a summer job and didn't do it ever again since while the pay was decently good for someone my age, the work sucked fucking ass, you were constantly scratching your arms because of itchy rockwool insulation and the factory we worked in was ironically quite poorly ventilated.

>>15747962
> CSS today morning, this is a personal best! I replaced the camera with QHY678M, a 2-micron monochrome camera, and I carefully tested the optimal exposure settings before I go. And I decided to use 16bit. So the dark side details are preserved much better! C14HD+IR685+QHY5III678M.

>>15747980
what's is tiangong's apogee height?

Yo when are they gonna fly the rocket?

>>15747980
Crazy impressive resolution for a $300 camera

>>15747975
my eurohouse is completely passively ventilated

>>15747985
when was your house built?

>>15747986
~1970

>>15747985
>>15747987
Similar situation same here. Ventilation for residential buildings of this age used to be fully gravity-driven but recently (2010s) electric ventilation machinery was added to squeeze a bit more power efficiency out of the entire HVAC system.

>>15747982

The earth is flat and stationary with a dome. They are never ever leaving this enclosed plane alive, and neither are you sciencegoys.
CGI is all you get in this life and if you are vaxxed, I know many of you here are well boosted, then the Alien invasion will be livestreamed straight into your vaxxed brain.
Also with the latest Neurolink brain processor you'll be able to watch multiple invasions on multiple exo-planets at the same time, with the same bitrate and no loss in quality experience.

>>15747977
Really what the difference is is Apple bought its suppliers after a prolonged series of increasingly dumb contracts where it sought to monopolize output.
SpaceX did not generally acquire the talent it needed through mergers but instead did it in-house by themselves. I think their main strategic buy was equipment from Velo3D for printing their rocket engines. Someone had to talk Elon out of buying the company

What compels anon, I'll never know

>>15747997

How many more weeks?

>>15748000
which rocket engine parts do you think SpaceX is printing?

>>15748003
2-10 weeks

There are some modifications that need to complete first, but we need to consult the first before implementation

>>15748009
https://blog.esghound.com/p/spacexs-texas-rocket-is-going-to
teehee

>>15748006
If it's anything like the competition, they print ~70% or so of the engine from combustion chamber to turbopumps

>>15748021
how do you know the competition prints the turbopumps?

>>15748024
Because Launcher did

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1702907035271205034

>>15748003
between 1 and 3

>>15748036

>gslv mrk iii
>ariane 6
>vulcan centaur
>sls

Are solid rockets the way to go? Cheap and powerful thrust allowing the rocket engineers to focus on the upper stage to send more stuff to orbit and beyond.

>>15748036
there's way too much flame coming out of that rocket.

>>15748041
KSC ocelot population has been completely decimated

>>15748040
These 4 rockets you posted are failures. The future is simple 2 stage rocket and both stages are reusable.

>>15748038

>>15748046

>>15748050

>>15747968
Ticker SKY
Issuer Autism Inc.
Weighting equal
Leverage 3x
Recommendation BUY

>>15748040
Sooolids are for state actors to keep alive the ICBM industry and knowledge.
t. Read it on a post itt

>>15748002
>they made the glownigger the chad
Absolute state of meme globohomo meme-warfare divisions

>>15748076
you sincerely believe stuff in pic related?

>>15748080
>>15748076
>>15748002
>>15747997
>spaceflight

>>15748076
>the post
>the image
kek

>>15748003
2n weeks

>>15748096
comfy

Damn Perseverance has made it a long way
https://mars.nasa.gov/mars2020/mission/where-is-the-rover/

>>15748076
>buzzword salad: the buzzword sequel
kys /pol/rot nigger

>>15748118
where are the fossils

A Fish and Wildlife Services Section 7 consultation has a median timeframe of 62 days. It is possible it will be significantly less for SpaceX. Either way, I expect a launch this year.
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1516938112

>>15748135
they're in the samples we're bringing back. Trust the plan.

>>15748128
t. seething sciencegolem

>>15748151
science has failed our world

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmmjQn9uyT0

>>15747980

>>15747980
better than any ISS footage I've seen and done with hobby equipment

>>15748138
*licks icecream*

>>15747967
>yuro who doesn't have central air conditioning is suprised by how much it costs
They usually last at least ten years though.

>axiom probably wont launch their first station module until mid 2026
this industry really does move too slowly

>>15748076
the left can't meme

>>15747926
I was speedreading this and went from "bathroom stall" to "he shouted over to Gwynne Shotwell in her adjacent cubicle" and had to do a double take

>on /sci/, the science board dedicated to science
>in /sfg/, one of the few remaining sane threads
>somehow there are anti-science /pol/ tourists
I hate page one I hate page one I hate page one
article fag, please blast this thread with ~50 posts so we can hit the bump limit faster

>>15747967
I worked for an HVAC company, that is actually fairly cheap. Most brands insure their systems for 10 years, a few will do 15 or 20. I know Gwynne was just talking about the outside unit, and nothing more because getting duct work done (if it needs replacing or there isn't any), getting a mini-split if the home needs one, the labor obviously, etc. can run you 12, 15, 20 grand in a typical three bedroom, two bath home depending on the layout, how hard you get fucked on the labor, and what sort of equipment you are buying. HVAC is a major racket though. Typically because like 80% of labor that isn't a new install is on-call, emergency scenarios. Think grandma's heating went out in December, or it's Florida in July. If you live in an area that's perpetually hot, you will get fucked in the ass because they know that you cannot wait two weeks for them to fit you into the schedule for a normal appointment. Consequently, HVAC has a huge turnover for employees because they can't really have lives (these dudes work as much as doctors in terms of hours), work related injuries (I saw one guy forced to go from repair to sales because a unit fell on his back and destroyed it), and generally being a hostile career where people steal your tools, try to boost equipment from your trucks, threaten you with firearms, etc. It's a terrible job and most people take it because it can offer you the means to make a lot of money without a degree since to be an installer/tech that's worth hiring you just need a few certs and then some on the job training. It's one of those jobs you see that bills itself as "Make 120,000 a year, starting! No degree required!" in ads. Plus the business owners tend to all be tyrannical shitbags because their business is extremely reliant on commercial work, and commercial jobs are only given to people who wheel and deal and have good relationships with various property management firms in the area.

>>15748218
Do you need separate gas heating in cold climates then?

>>15748241
>anti-science /pol/ tourists
this deserves to be onions quoted

>>15748181

>>15748246
No. Gas heating is common up north because the houses are older and don't need to be cooled, also the rest of the house runs on gas for the stove, the water heater, etc, because the rest of the year after winter the area is cool enough on its own and it is infrequently hot to the point where you might buy a window unit but nothing else. A/C units do heating and cooling.

>>15748246
The heater is on the inside unit. The outside unit is just a heat exchanger for the freon cycle. (I guess it's used for heating too if you have a heat pump unit) Gas heat is not uncommon even in not-so-cold climates, like here in Texas.

>>15747927
IT GIVES ME WINGS

>>15747935
Yes. ULA was telling one of the suppliers for SpaceX to overcharge them. Some of their emails were accidentally sent to SpaceX due to people not understanding mailing lists. Needless to say, SpaceX dumped the supplier

LMAO.

>>15747933
It amazes me how much cultural impact this event had. I remember watching it with my family. felix baumgartner is arguably a household name, and everyone associates red bull with it as well, so the sponsorship worked so perfectly. Not only that, but the record he set during this jump has already been broken, yet nobody cares. Whoever came up with this idea at red bull is a fucking genius.
And yeah I think sponsoring something like a lunar flyby with an EVA is a great idea. If they get it in before Artemis 2 (perfectly doable w a dragon honestly) they could steal the spotlight from NASA.
And there’s always a manned Venus or Mars flyby if they want to dedicate their brand to a historical first

>>15748248
>doesn't even know about the filter
go back, newfaggot

>>15748244
it's honestly shocking how easy a lot of the HVAC work is too, like how you said of post-install work being overcharged. I had a dead outdoor condenser unit (still producing heat from the condensation, but the fan wasn't spinning) and because I was under time pressure I called an HVAC guy instead of troubleshooting it myself (could have taken ~3 days, too long); it turned out to be a dead starter capacitor, and the fucking rat bastards charged me $120 to replace a $10 part in about 15 minutes
>>15748315
jesus christ, imagine a redbull sponsored extreme space-sports competition on the moon

>>15747939
The trick is all of us can look at a part and say “uhh, no. That’s too expensive. you should make if for cheaper” but since we’re just dipshits on the internet we’ll get back a “space is hard, trust the science”. Musk is actually in a position to force people to break the mold.

>>15748248
Kys /pol/ rot fag

>>15748241
The flat earth truth is censored everywhere, especially here on /sci/ as it's full of science golems and redditors. /x/ too. The only place the flat earth truth slides is on /pol/ due to the board moving so fast but make no mistake threads often get deleted there as well.

Meanwhile the globohomo propaganda is promoted everywhere. Absolutely everywhere, all the media, all the boards, newspapers, books, billboards, radio, TV, absolutely everywhere. Right now you can be in the middle of the Amazon rainforest and get 5G signal and have access to the latest globohomo propaganda. Once all the new infrastructure is installed, the vaxxed cattle will be able to livestream the latest globohomo narratives straight into their vaxxed brains.

NASA finds no evidence of UAPs being extraterrestrial, General Atomics qcquires electro-optical sensor company, Germany signs Artemis Accords, Earth sensing companies see climate change as a market opportunity
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https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/09/nasa-clears-the-air-no-evidence-that-ufos-are-aliens/
> NASA clears the air: No evidence that UFOs are aliens
> NASA attempts to make conversations about aerial phenomena more scientific.
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https://spacenews.com/general-atomics-acquires-electro-optical-sensor-supplier-eo-vista/
> General Atomics acquires electro-optical sensor supplier EO Vista
> General Atomics in 2020 selected an EO Vista payload for a U.S. Space Force weather satellite
> WASHINGTON — Defense contractor General Atomics announced Sept. 15 it acquired EO Vista, a supplier of space and airborne electro-optical sensors.
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https://spacenews.com/germany-signs-artemis-accords/
> Germany signs Artemis Accords
> Germany became the 29th country to sign the accords during a ceremony at the German ambassador’s residence in Washington attended by U.S. and German officials. The document was signed by Walter Pelzer, director general for the German space agency at the German Aerospace Center, or DLR.
-----
https://spacenews.com/earth-observation-players-seek-new-capabilities-to-tackle-climate-change/
> Earth observation players seek new capabilities to tackle climate change
> However, “climate change will be one of the key [focuses] of Chinese aerospace” for future Earth observation satellites, calling for more instruments designed to detect and monitor carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases.
> The colossal Starship rocket SpaceX is developing, and the company’s plans to significantly ramp up cadence in general with 144 launches targeted for 2024, could also reduce cost constraints for building larger satellites.

>>15748339
Hava nagila

>>15748348

>There has very little innovation in rocket propulsion since Saturn V because it was very close to the thermodynamic limit

Think I remembered that quote correctly... anyway, is he correct?

>>15748351
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jI6iAa-cC0

Cant beleive that people really think space is real when you can see WITH YOUR OWN EYES that rockets dodge the firmament and then spalsh abck down in the ocean

>>15747972
>uh isn't that illegal
Yes it is you cum lord. You can't pressure a company to fuck over prices for the sole purpose of gouging a person out of business. That's anti-trust law. Its happened before and companies got their asses roasted. The only reason huge companies like Amazon and ULA get away with it because the government is too scared to go after huge companies they are in bed with.
Now go back to sucking off Bruno you pathetic waste of carbon.

>>15748368
Its due to orbital mechanics, you need mostly horizontal speed
orbit is about going fast, not going high up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE1A6T1cycU

>>15748315
>It amazes me how much cultural impact this event had.
People love a big spectacle

>>15748367
Kys kike, only the club remix is good and any other version makes you an ugly jew

>>15748371
Stop replying to obvious bait stupid newfag. Lurk more

The Ultimate Rocket and the Ultimate Energy Source, and Their Use in the Ultimate Future
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drXvzuTmhFQ

I thought Tipler was dead

>>15748315
It's a shame that all of that was done for fucking Red Bull - a bitten piss on an energy drink that is completely outclassed by several cheaper brands.

>>15748390
>bitten piss on an energy drink
*bitter piss of an energy drink

OmegA was just an evolved Scout rocket

>>15748021
>combustion chamber
There are videos of them forging the raptor combustion chamber with their voodoo metallurgy. The pressure in the combustion chamber is incredibly high and even traditional metals being forged couldn't handle it. Printing would be a step backwards.
Granted, they do print some parts, but the combustion chamber is not one.

>>15748361
F-1 engines were pretty mild all things considered.

>>15748390
try Red Bull Cola
it's legit better than every other brand
wish it wasn't like 5 times more expensive though

Piss-reeking ocelots

zubrin

weekend /sfg/ sucks
going out to enjoy the sun, later losers

ria

>>15747842
Kill every species

>>15748429
Lazy niggers who think reposting cringey twitter and reddit content makes for a good thread (many such cases!)

What would be a better cycle for a reusable 2-meganewton class engine that burns RP1: oxidizer-rich staged or tap off?

>>15748438
>reusable meganewton RP-1
You will need slave labor to scrub out the coke from the engines between flights.

>>15748414
>i'm gonna make these heat tiles...dissapear.

>>15748440


not if you burn oxidizer rich

>>15747982
It won't happen until there's change of administration, so it's going to be 2025 at the earliest unless something terrible happens to a lot of politicians at once.

>>15748432
but its funny

>>15748438
Stoichiometric burn. Melting is for gay niggers

>>15748472
Ummmm based

>blows an atlas v on one ton worth of LEO sats
the absolute state

when do you think we will see the first impregnation and birth in space? it's going to happen inevitably at some point.

>>15748484
Bezos playing 4D chess trying to burn through the backlog of older ULA rockets faster to make ULA dependent on BE-4

>>15748486
not in our lifetime unless its some space tourism attention seeking bs
but i'd imagine if we really are going to explore deep space sometime in the next couple of centuries it will be a pretty common thing

>>15748321
>onions
>filter
>newfaggot
oh nononono AHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>15748487
What happened to the US RD-180?

>>15748497
ULA chose BE-4 over AR1 (the engine you are referring to) because AeroDyne got too cocky. It would have cost more, and the projected readiness date was further out than what BO proposed with their engine

>>15748496
this thing looks like a nigger pod.

>>15747967
The payload volume of a F9 fairing is 1/2 the volume of an average house, which any mid range HVAC heatpump unit can efficiently cool for 24/7 for weeks on end. The flight from launch to orbit is 9 minutes. A 6,000 HVAC unit is already overkill for most payloads. Traditional aerospace contracting is a total joke when it comes to costs, as decades of cost plus contracting regimes, have installed practices where you are penalized for failing to overcharge for basic things by 10s of thousands of percents relative to their common counterparts.

This is why ULA or Ariane or SLS or anyone else can't compete with SpaceX. When your compeititor is spending $3M for cooling the payload of a fairing and you can get it done for 6k, 12k max, you are capital efficiency is 25000% superior to your competitor and your efficiency with hardware is anywhere from 12-18 months superior from design to production pipelines. Falcon 9 went from crashing their booster in the ocean to landing them in that same time block. They then went from that to landing 95% of the time in the same time block. Then in the next sequence, they stopped having failures. Since then the Falcon 9 has launched 230+ times and has consecutively landed 100+ times.

>>15748496
>mogs starship in every aspect

>>15748497
It would still have been dependent on Russia through NPO Energomash's ownership of the design IP, so it wasn't worth spending a billion dollars to get a production line working.

>>15748513
only if you like nigger pods

Why not name the cargo Dragon capsules?

>>15748549
nigger capsules.

>>15748505
>>15748520
>>15748552
capsois and hydrocucks btfo

>>15748396
it's hard to get the cooling channels needed for raptor 3's heat flux performance by forging or traditional milling, and I'm pretty sure spacex has stated they print the MCC for raptor.

also, Merlin 1D was explosive formed for the outer stainless jacket, not forged. The inner copper jacket is conventionally milled and brazed, picrel is a merlin 1D inner copper jacket with the cooling lines already milled. Elon Musk, 2011:
>The hardest part of the engine to mass produce is the electro-plating of nickel cobalt on the chamber. (editing for clarity: SpaceX does NOT use that process) We create this thick metal jacket that takes the primary stress of the pressure vessel and it’s plated one molecule at a time. Plating is about the slowest way you can make a metal thing (so, they don't do it). With the Merlin-1D we take a metal jacket that is explosively formed. We take a metal sheet that’s in a cylindrical form and put it in a bucket of water, effectively. Sort of a concrete pool. And you set off an explosive and the jacket just goes “boohmp” and forms to the outer side walls into a jacket shape, so you have a mold, effectively. And then you just put the jacket on the chamber and braise it on. You can do several a day. We have a fully integrated engine and it’s being test-fired right now. There’s really not a lot of question marks remaining about the Merlin-1D.
https://spacenews.com/elon-musk-chief-executive-and-chief-technology-officer-space-exploration-technologies/

This is an excellent video that goes over the electroplating process Musk was talking about (that spacex avoids because it's too slow)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4YZxb2E5PA
he's also just started a series on making a monoprop rocket engine from scratch, breaking taps is a great channel

explosive hydroforming, like they do for Merlin's outer stiffening jacket
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbS6rS0seuk

>>15748512
does the actual air conditioning unit fly to space as well?

>>15748337
if /pol/ is so great then you should go back there and never come here ever again, please think about that during your vacation

>>15748499
and we all know how accurate BO's timeline was.
Question now is, would rocketdyne's projected offer have been earlier than the ACTUAL date of BE-4 hitting volume production (which still hasn't happened)?

>>15748487
Bezos retired from Amazon years ago.

>>15748396
>>15748574
actually I went looking, and it seems like raptor main combustion chamber is actually cast and milled, not printed. Makes sense, they've been cutting down on 3d prints as much as possible to save money and manufacturing time

>>15748080
Why is #2 in there

locations where space force has personnel
https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/john.harms/viz/GuardianTracker/Assignments

>>15748604
Yes which is why Amazon went with Falcon 9 for these launches... oh wait

>>15748633

>>15748633
https://twitter.com/TrungTPhan/status/1416416608990294017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCXu8Ju_fdY
does this have any use for rockets?
perhaps titanium skins?

>>15748396
>The pressure in the combustion chamber is incredibly high
it takes about 2-3 mm of steel to contain 350 bar is not less.

>>15748361
wym thermodynamic limit?

>>15748574
>he's also just started a series on making a monoprop rocket engine from scratch, breaking taps is a great channel
I really hope he moves up to higher concentration peroxide later

>>15748574
found this pic of a 3d printed combustion chamber today, it's from a mini gas turbine though.

>>15748604
Yes, which is why he is now focusing on BO

>L2 says NET Q1 2024 for IFT-2
Oh yeah

Could one build a vortex cooled engine that's on par with raptor or even F1? Or is there some design limit?

>>15748351
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1H3S7jPdEE

>>15748670
Damn that is sexy

>>15748687
here is a conventional combustion chamber from mini turbines

>>15748693

>>15748677
>source my ass
ill believe it when novemeber or an FAA announcement comes

>>15748044
God everytine is see KSC I think about Kerbals

1st for rebuild the shuttle

>>15748226
Is this an ABM test?

>>15748739
kys

>Fish and Wildlife said that once it reviews the FAA’s final biological assessment, it has 135 days to issue a final biological opinion.

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHZgG9O8f6o

>>15748758

>>15748763

>>15748337
http://www.satflare.com
How would you characterize the phenomena of satellite flares in your flat world view? What are the nefarious They hiding from us? What tricks do they use to simulate light reflection off of satellites? Surely a knower such as your self could enlighten us.

Destacked but SX are ready to fly right this moment trust me bro anons on /sfg/ assured me

Why Aren't they putting a metal printer on a space station? Why is NASA and the other agencies trying to stop space manufacturing?

Thanks janny

>>15748793
the point of the ISS was to curtail post-soviet russianiggers into focusing on a station instead of building ICBMs. Anything else is secondary, so important experiments that should be happening are instead drip-fed over the course of half-decades with everything else being stupid filler experiments
You should be happy, the ISS has done very important experiments like ISSpresso and figuring out how to keep bone density up even though it was already known by every fitness forum user for over 20 years now

Who is Elon trying to pander to?

>>15748805
His own autism of thinking demon shit is cool. Seems to be a common theme from celebrities who aren't religious idk why

>>15748805
To the average science golem.

>>15748805
This is the logo of the Tower Gang. It would be interesting to see how the Booster Tribe responds to this obvious provocation.

>>15748793
because the ISS is pointless, similar moneysink like the SLS
it just exist

>>15748755
can someone confirm that this means we won't get a launch in 135 days?

>>15748820
>subhuman doesn't have dreams and aspirations
expected.

>>15748836
>i have dreams and aspirations
How many layers of simulacra are we on by now?

>>15748837
(you)

reminder to download this 120 MB Webbb image
https://stsci-opo.org/STScI-01H44AVB69N1P8RAEJ12NW2RB2.png

>>15748840
I ask genuinely: why is that not valid criticism according to you?

>>15748845
unfalsifiable, pointless to talk about

>>15748845
>hurr durr at least i'm a depressed retard and don't even dream about cool stuff
yes, thanks for confirming again you are a subhuman. go whine about how much you hate human curiosity elsewhere.

>>15748848
What's unfalsifiable? You're not going to Mars. You're cheerleading.

>>15748850
I'm not the one who posted the NPC meme. If my criticism is so weak and unsubstantiated, why are you overflowing with rage?

>>15748845
I'm the the anon you were arguing with

>>15748805
You tell me

>>15748857
>no timestamp
You're not up there. You're down here with us, liar.

>>15748805
>Aries
>sign ruler: Mars
>detriment: Venus
SpaceX is never going to Venus.

>>15748787
yes
they're simulating rapid response capabilities to flex on firefly

>>15748863
*demonstrating

>>15748861
Billions for Mars, pennies for Venus

>>15748860
Maybe this image will convince you?

>>15748869
The face behind the glass is the face of abject suffering. Look at that deep frown.

>>15748869
why is it so wrinkly

>>15748875
Battle scars from carrying the entire weight of the indomitable human spirit

>>15748875
super thin

>>15748836
>globohomo dreams
Imagine being that dumb goy hooked up jewish fairytales.

>>15748888
Imagine being too stupid to understand the basic shape of the world you live on

https://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/filename/INOPERABLE.jpg/image/9GBJ-ntTwKQd08HNI_KjYQ/
severe brainrot. do not attempt to reason with it.

Bros… I am thoroughly Saturday-drunk, a thunderstorm has started rolling outside, and I have a couple of Venus papers I’ve downloaded throughout the week queued up. It’s extra /comfy/ today lads!

>>15748906
>I have a couple of Venus papers I’ve downloaded throughout the week queued up
do share

>>15748425
nice

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1703132464712237216

CUMMING

>>15748908

>>15748916
kino

>>15747933
>>15748315
Red Bull should sponsor a MOOSE reentry.

>>15748486
At some point Elon will get space horny and start testing on animals that are increasingly similar to humans. After a few uneventful great ape births, the Chinese or Koreans will do it without regard to international standards of ethics, just like they did with human cloning.

>>15748916
>>15748923
lmao they don't even have budget for sound in their shitty fake videos

>>15748505
No, Artemis is using HLS

>>15748633
I didn't know Bezos was in the Air Force

>>15748917
The geophysical model of Venus' tesserae is highly argued. These are areas of high elevation, and are believed to be some of the oldest observable surficial rock units independent of "recent" lava resurfacing. Some believe they are simply a consequence of giant impacts, but I personally reject this (mainly because it would be a gay letdown)
I think, instead, they are areas formed as a consequence of more ancient mantle downwelling and/or lithospheric convection dynamics. I want to believe there are outcrops of very ancient rock (as opposed to 100% of the surface being formed from geologically recent events like lava flows and meteor impacts only)

Either way, DAVINCI's main scientific goal is to capture up-close pictures of tessera regions to try and help deduce how they were formed. We don't have very good imagery of these regions at the moment aside from very old Pioneer, Venera, and Magellan mapping (and not nearly enough in optical or near IR mapping) If DAVINCI gets cancelled because of Mars Sample Return I am going to fucking shut down the minecraft server

>>15748748
reasonable and proportionate response

How did they make such efficient engines?

>>15748943
>spend billions and billions of dollars getting a giant fuel-rich hydrolox engine to work
>sucks at pretty much everything except being efficient, literally just by virtue of being a FRHC engine
It would be surprising if it wasn't efficient, retard

>>15748916
>>15748923
Its quite beautiful

>>15748938
do you think hot air / lighter than air balloons have a good science case on Venus? Davinci is only gonna be sending back data for like half an hour

https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1702827185898225714

>>15748989
https://archive (dot) ph/20230916062641/https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/hypersonic-missiles-america-military-behind-936a3128

> The weapon Beijing launched over the South China Sea traveled at speeds of more than 15,000 miles an hour as it circled the globe.
> Flying at least 20 times the speed of sound, it could reach anywhere on earth in less than an hour.

>>15748989
>leaving Russia and China far ahead
>Russian and Chinese "hypersonics" are MaRV adapted to smaller booster stacks

It never ceases to amaze at how bad MSM is at covering military technology.

>>15748916
>>15748923
https://twitter.com/Starlink/status/1703132933102649527

>>15748996
https://twitter.com/Starlink/status/1703135000206745949

>>15748996
so the video clip was basically PR for the "brightness mitigation"

>>15748989
how do we know the US doesn't have some secret superfast weapon. NASA has done some early scramjet experiments

>>15748998
>how do we know the US doesn't have some secret superfast weapon

The US has multiple weapon programs for actual hypersonics and not just MaRV from ballistic missiles adapted to be launched from aircraft.

>>15748989
>radar detection
So why not just use overhead detection that allows you to immediately see anything the moment it launches?

>>15749008
That's what the USSF is going for with their constellation.

>>15749008
As the other anon said, that's the plan. And also: it's sort of already in-place with every major power so hypersonics are sort of already outdated lol

>>15749020
Well they're still difficult to intercept, right?

>>15749024
It depends and my personal answer is I don't know. I'm sure if, hypothetically, russia and/or china went all-out and launched an armada of ICBMs, space-based projectiles, hypersonics... basically threw everything they possibly had at us, that stuff would get through on all fronts just because of strength-in-numbers. I'm not even sure what type of dedicated interception system the United States uses at the moment

>>15748486
That photo is a fake, clearly taken at a studio on Earth.
The boobs wouldn't sag that much in 0.16g

>>15749024
Proper maneuvering ones are. Russian """hypersonics""" can be intercepted by Patriot SAMs as we've seen in Ukraine.

>>15749046
>The boobs wouldn't sag that much in 0.16g
How have I never thought of this before?

>>15749054
torpedo tits on mars

>>15749054
You don't play enough H-games

>>15749024
>Well they're still difficult to intercept, right?

Assuming you have a satellite based sensor net to detect hypersonics flying below the horizon of long range radar systems.

Missiles that are optimized for mid course exo-atmospheric interception (such as SM-3 or GBI) are near useless for intercepting hypersonics due to their operation in atmosphere.

Missiles that are optimized for endo-atmospheric interception (such as SM-6, PAC-3 and THAAD) do so based on terminal interception when ballistic missiles are actually in atmosphere. It is important to note that hypersonics are arguably easier for these to intercept that ballistic missiles due to how much slower they are traveling.

So its not that hypersonics are 'difficult' to intercept but rather that they spend most of their time flying in a region that existing interceptors are not designed to operate in. To cover this region, endo-atmopsheric mid course interception, the United States and Japan are working together to develop a new missile called Glide Phase Interceptor.

We don't really know anything about Glide Phase Interceptor besides that it is an MDA project to counter hypersonic missiles.

>>15748995
Yeah, the whole hypersonic fearmongering in global and burger media has been laughable.

But nothing makes me cringe harder than how much my local media enjoys fearmongering about russian ICBMs and absolutely LOVES the misnomer Satan 2 for RS-28. R-36M's NATO callsign was Satan so it's replacement's gotta be Satan 2 right hur dur
Holy fucking shit it's the worst part of their nuclear triad. Imagine a liquid-fueled silo-launched ICBM with literal russian-tier corruption and lack of maintenance. Even the brand spanking new RS-28 has never been tested successfully but was placed in active arsenal regardless. None of those shits would launch successfully even if things came to a nuclear war.
But MSM just loves the old NATO callsign so much they have to hype it up like some glorious doomsday weapon. It's all so tiresome.

https://x.com/RussianSpaceWeb/status/1703160590900830488

>Speaking at a press-conference in Baikonur after the launch of the Soyuz MS-24 mission on Sept. 15, 2023, Head of Roskosmos Yuri Borisov said that the orbit correction engine of the Luna-Glob (Luna-25) lander had failed to cut off as planned due to (lack of) data from an accelerometer that measures velocity changes (critical for the accuracy of orbit correction). According to Borisov, the accelerometers had failed to activate (during the maneuver, preventing the on-time engine shutdown).

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1703170569934712952

>>15749101
I think cosmic penguin was right, maybe. (Assuming I’m interpreting him and katya correctly)
Looks like they expected to get a part from airbus but because of sanctions they had to go with an indigenous instrument that they didn’t have time to fully test. Lol
https://ria.ru/20230911/krushenie-1895439577.html

>>15749075
>>15749024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q-ieXZgrhY

>>15749114
And here I was just wondering if sanctions killed it.

Nevertheless the previous lander attempt of pockocmoc also failed.

>>15749114
I want to stay away from going full /pol/tard here, but it is so fucking surprising to me that Russia - a country that lauds itself on being "independent from globalization"- does not have the capability to get a bare-bones lander onto the surface of the Moon without external parts. All this talk of the United States being scared of using RD-180s and shit, and meanwhile Russia's BASIC ability to do anything in space rests on foreign parts and equipment. I wonder if Soyuz/Progress use foreign parts and if they have had to source these through backdoor vendors recently. I guess if this is true they might have an easier time getting these parts because they can justify it as required for ISS resupply and crew transfer

>>15749046
That’s actually an interesting topic. I wonder how good tits on Mars or the moon will look.

>>15749125
Their only practical cosmodrome is in a completely different country kek

>>15749125
It would be surprising if Russia would need to import parts for Soyuz since hundreds of them have been made for more than half a century.

>>15749131
I wouldn't put it past them. Soyuz has been around so long that it has needed to be modernized, multiple times. Plus russians genetically predisposed to be corrupt and retarded so one Ivan asks another Ivan if he can make a part, he says yes, takes most of the money directly into his pocket, and just outsources it from somewhere else. Multiply this down the entire length of the rocket from nuts and bolts to avionics to major components and you end up with multiple crucial parts that are coming in from all over the place

>>15749139
Kek

>>15749125
Already happened 50 years ago. Here is the proof:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VglZ9a6CEcE

Notice the science golems are unbothered by the fact that posts are censored as jannies are working overtime to curate the boards.

>>15749165
?
I’m not saying they never did it. I’m saying modern russia cannot into beyond-LEO space exploration

>>15749176
From Zak's article.

>If confirmed, this crash scenario would likely implicate deficiencies in the development or testing of the flight control system and its software rather than any mechanical problem of the propulsion system

>>15748321
You got off quite well anon, I'd keep his number. I imagine $120 was just the callout fee.

T. Electrician

>>15749189
What is your point lol

>>15749176
You'd gobble up anything. They could just write stories about space exploration without stop-motion animation or CGI and you would eat it up anyway.

>>15749197
>without
I would hope so!

>>15749203
>>15749197
stop replying to this retard. i already told you once this thread

>>15749024
The issue for HGVs is that you can't do midcourse Interception, this limits you to terminal defence, which means one less opportunity to shoot down an RV and a much smaller area of coverage.

If you were say defending Guam from ballistic missile attack, HGVs would mean that all of your Aegis destroyers in the west Pacific with SM-3 would no longer get an opportunity to shoot down the missile in midcourse as it flew over.

>>15749126
Is any of this really news to you people.
Play any 3D H-game with character customization and good boob physics including weight slider and you have your answer.

>>15749231
post recommendations

>>15749231
damn i never thought about it that way
gainaxing will become a thing in real life.

>>15748855
>y-you're mad
i'm not, you're angry and looking for an online fight to vent your frustration on.

Total Flatearther Death

>>15749256
Whatever helps you cope.

>>15749313
You stupid nigger STOP REPLYING TO OBVIOUS BAIT THIS IS THE THIRD TIME THIS THREAD AND ITS NOT EVEN 300 POSTS YET.

>>15748239
kek

>>15749313
>>15749313 #
You stupid negroid STOP REPLYING TO OBVIOUS BAIT THIS IS THE THIRD TIME THIS THREAD AND ITS NOT EVEN 300 POSTS YET. Jannies

>>15748370
not that anon but wtf is wrong with you lmao. learn english

>>15749344
Not that anon, but the post to which you replied is entirely grammatically correct besides one missing apostrophe. Although in fairness the aggression seems completely unprovoked.

>>15749278
I can’t fucking wait

>>15749372
But you will have to, and until 2030s at that. Everyone thank the FWS for their environmental reviews! (FAA is working diligently, FWS is an arm of the Biden admin)

FWS should not have juris-muh-dick where the "environment" is between a US state and nothing, or some other country. That is a matter for the state's fisheries and international treaties.
Unfortunately as we've just discovered Texas' legislature is full of cucks especially in the lower house.

>>15749407
if SpaceX really wanted to they could probably take it all the way to the Supreme Court and have a realistic chance of winning, but that would take years (and frankly it would piss off the regulators enough to where they'd be held back even more in future projects).

>>15749418
Yep. FAA and the regulators have been intentionally slowing SpaceX down to punish the company because they think slowing the company down by 2 years is good for the government.

Does anyone know if a higher res version of this picture exists anywhere? Or where its from?

>>15749433
No kys

>>15749433
https://sandiegoairandspace.org/collection/item/space-age-concept-art
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/albums/72157669057850210/page1

>>15749433
Wtf is that a real photo?

>>15749450
sexo

So, what is the significance of Germany joining the accords?

>>15749455
Nothing

Everything.

>>15749451
I think it's photoshopped

>>15749455
It's a company with a space program that is visibly aligning itself with America instead of China in space.

>>15749472
I guess that is true. I just don't understand what the accords are.

>>15749478
>I just don't understand what the accords are.
Let me help you with that:
>The Artemis Accords is a non-binding multilateral arrangement
Translated: it's a completely meaningless paper

>>15749480
False

>>15749478
https://www.nasa.gov/specials/artemis-accords/img/Artemis-Accords-signed-13Oct2020.pdf

>>15749480
It's basically just another alliance against the axis of evil (Russia, China, Iran, etc.)

>>15749491
>>15749512
The papers themselves are completely meaningless. Outer Space Treaty is still what matters.
The act of signing them has (weak) political significance.

>>15749513
actually the accords are an unconstitutional reinterpretation of the outer space treaty that is effectively illegal, but the outer space treaty is alfeady illegal so nome of it really matters. usa just wants to pretend they arent breaking international law when they actually are. if they get buy in from most countries it wont look so bad

>>15749522
>spot the wumao

2739:11:1 MOVING PRIME TARGETED MOVING 2023-09-04T22:06:27Z 00/02:17:41 NIRCam Imaging URANUS Solar System Planet

The outer space treaty was one of the biggest mistakes humanity ever made. Space is for unabashed imperialism.

>>15749545
Based and Space Empire pilled

>>15749545
Just break it, what are people gonna do but bitch about it

>>15749549
UN will send a very strongly worded letter

>>15749549
>what are people gonna do
Every other nation capable of doing so will start violating it as well.

JWST Alpha Centauri NIRCam Coronagraphic imaging all failed for some reason, I feel so bummed out right now godamnit it was supposed to look for any planets

https://www.stsci.edu/cgi-bin/get-visit-status?id=1618&markupFormat=html&observatory=JWST

>>15749553
The UN can lick a fat dick
>>15749556
Good

Seems like a no-brainer... switch from extremely cold fuels to super-heated. more energy, higher performance. big gains. best thrust ratios. the best.

>>15749545
The outer space treaty was just there so both hegemonies wouldn’t have to spend much money on space races and focus on indecisive proxy wars

>>15749571
it really was a huge mistake for spaceflight

>>15749557
not enough bandwidth on the DSN.

>>15749556
competition breeds innovation

>>15749571
>>15749573
That's why we should end it now

>>15749601
Martians want you to believe that these are real moons and not space debris stuck in orbit.

>>15749556
>Every other nation capable of doing so will start violating it as well.

And?

>>15749602
it fucks with me how close they are. you could throw a stone and hit phobos. they're smaller than a city but take up a significant portion of the sky. mars being a pseudo dwarf planet doesn't help

>>15749602
Phobos will close the distance to the roche limit in like 50 million years so it's pretty obvious it's just an asteroid

>>15749601
YWNBARM

Earth's Moon is the freaky moon.

>>15749634
Martian cope.
All habitable planets need a BBM.

>>15749634
our taxonomy got fucked up by starting with a binary planet system and then trying to fit captured asteroids into the same classification

>>15749644
Thing orbits a star? It's a planet.
Thing orbits a planet? It's a moon.

Simple as.

Yes, space junk stuck in heliocentric orbits are now planets. Problem?

>>15749602
It’s still a pretty good weapons platform, e*rther

>>15749618
>mars will have rings soon™
Nice. What's the roche limit for Phobos? It has to be quite low, something like 1000-5000 km?

Earth moon is just space junk

Earth is just space junk

the sun is just space junk

Sagittarius A* is just space junk

Starship is a moon

luna is a planet (earth is a moon)

Brown dwarfs are your mother

If Starship orbits earth is it a moon?

>>15749660
Literally our very own galactic black hole and we can’t move past the random ass name astronomers assigned to it decades ago

>>15749655
>>15749656
>>15749658
>>15749660
>>15749662
>>15749669
>>15749670
>>15749673

kys

>>15749651
>Given Phobos's irregular shape and assuming that it is a pile of rubble (specifically a Mohr–Coulomb body), it will eventually break up due to tidal forces when it reaches approximately 2.1 Mars radii.

>>15749676
Black dwarfs enter Uranus

>kys

spaceflight...

>>15749682
Damn, that's a bit over my estimate. I gave Phobos-chan too much credit for being a sturdy lil rock.

>>15749684
You aren’t supposed to post selfies here

>>15749688
rate my phobos mission

>>15749695
a stretched starship could fit phobos inside the payload bay with room to spare

>>15749695
>still using starship in the year 50002023
Anon, we don't need to glue Phobos back together any time soon.

>still no ice giant orbiter announced
how the FUCK did dragonfly get funding. useless fucking mission wont visit methane lakes which is the ONLY reason for going to titan. waste of funding and time.

>>15749082
They know exactly what they are doing. "Satan 2" will rile up boomer Bible thumpers far more than "Sarmat".

>>15749765
who cares, starship will send a crewed mission out there by 2040

>>15748989
>russia
lmao. The pics leaked of the kinzal hyper-world whatever killer just demonstrated how its nothing more then a slightly modified airframe mounted iskander with a buttplug. Seriously doubt chinks have anything better as both of them are overhyping face obsessed asiatic potemkins villages

>>15747930
>Musk referred to it as “Going Russian”
KEK, Musk was racist against Russians before it was cool.

>>15747930
>rocket hucksters
kek

>>15749817
To be fair, Russian tried to fuck him proper.

>In his Google searches for more information, he happened across an announcement for a dinner in Silicon Valley hosted by an organization called the Mars Society. That sounds cool, he said to Justine, and he bought a pair of $500 tickets. In fact, he ended up sending in a check for $5,000, which caught the attention of Robert Zubrin, the society’s president. Zubrin sat Elon and Justine at his table, along with the film director James Cameron, who had directed the space-war thriller Aliens as well as The Terminator and Titanic.
Was not expecting a Zubrin cameo.

>>15749805
large swathes of this general are terminally retarded and wildly delusional. i say this as a full believer in starship

>>15749765
Be the change you want to see in the world <|^:)

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1703329281605247163

new reaction image just dropped

>>15748343
>>15749480
>>15749494
>>15749478

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1703348962697396461

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1703350413318361520

>>15749982
I love the saturation slider!!

I just realized how much the rest of the space industry hates SpaceX. Seriously, there's no praise whatsoever. Not even after ~300 flights of Falcon 9. There's always a 'problem' (vertical integration bad, fairing is too small, upper stage sucks, long slender design is bad etc and that's just with F9/FH, the starship hate is even crazier). Holy shit.

>>15750013
they are seething

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1703352594209575330

>>15749480
It's very useful in containing Russia and China though. Notice how the ESA who has traditionally worked with Russia are backing out now. ESA was going to send astronauts to China's station and they backed out too. It also got signatures from promising rising space powers (India).
Over time this translates into a very meaningful paper - more collaboration between space agencies in the Accords vs those who aren't.

>>15750014
>>15750014

>>15750022
Anon butt blasted by facts, love to see it
#TEAMSPACE

>>15749494

>>15750032
They could still be seething.

>>15750034
just wait

>>15750048
ULA have proven beyond any doubt that this is a better method than whatever tf spacex can cobble together.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1703366429826007432

>>15749765
It will go to the lakes. The scientists sre just lying to NASA demons to get funding by saying how it's "low risk" by not going to the lakes. They will make a B line for the lakes immediately, NASA will be shitting ass and they wont be able to stop the rogue based christian scientists

Can Russia really not do N-2 with 30 RD-191s?

knower here
/sfg/ won't have a good monday

>>15749765
They are laughing at you.

>>15750175
even NASA leans into the Uranus jokes, it's sickening

China released a cool video about its (dead) rover.
https://youtu.be/LjtfkH8TatU

>>15750189
China is extremely strong

>>15750202
It's also cute and funny.

>>15749765
retard

>>15749765
kys

Reminder that Titan Mare Explorer was turned down in favor of InSight

>>15750091
It physically cannot because Dragonfly has no orbiter to relay the signal to Earth. It needs to fly only around the tropics of Titan, where there's no lakes IIRC.

>>15750385
>Dragonfly has no orbiter
This sounds absurdly incorrect

>>15750394
it's unfortunately 100% true and I wish I was trolling you.

>>15750394
Nah it's true. pretty funny

>>15750284
>titan mare explorer
which part of the horse are they exploring?

>>15749278
It's going to be ridiculous every single time one of these comes to dock with the Gateway from the perspective of any astronaut that's living onboard it. A ship 6x bigger than the entire station coming in for a docking maneuver. The public is going to be asking some really critical questions of future presidencies and NASA leadership on who thought it was a good idea for having this level of disparity; that a private enterprise can build a better system than the entire government that has a blank check on money towards space programs.

The mogged hard memes will be impossible to contain.

>>15750048
ULA are the true kings of space. Elong Muskrat with his silly toys needs to be put back in his place

Remember when i told you about the handlers telling elon the faa is going to delay?
Just got told he had a meltdown at the faa meeting

>>15750048
how do they recover the rest of the stage?

>>15750507
this post is extremely low quality