/sci/ - Science & Math

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>da speeedee of lyte!!

>>15729991
because there are trillions of planets all over the place, why bust your balls travelling to the other side of the galaxy for one?

>>15729991
>if your math is correct
Found the problem retard, it's:

>>15729991
you made an error in your math, you somehow defaulted to "surely they'd go searching, we'd go". and you're not even aware of it. you don't know that aspect is still there past some technological level. your math also does not match observation, as you correctly pointed out.

>>15729991
We only started transmitting signals to space within the last century. We foolishly asked for them.

>>15729991
in my opinion there are two factors that mean there are presently no civilizations in the galaxy apart from our own.
factor 1. the liklihood of everything going right for life and evolving down a pathway like our own and having access easy chemical energy for industry etc. is extraordinarily rare to the point that its plausible that we are the only one so far in this glassy and that a great number of galaxies will be devoid of civilization forever
factor 2. its clear that the present iteration of human civilization will not outlast the coming series of crises and will collapse just like every other civilization in history. This time however we will have depleted the resources of earth to such a point that we can no longer recover from a lower point. The rise and fall of civilization is a natural phenomenon, so we should expect aliens to face the same pattern. in that case civilization only lasts for about 100 to 200 years so we will never meet each other. Cosmolgists actually quietly agree with me on this which is why all the big telescope proposals don't bother looking for technological markers of life.

maybe we are the first planet where life evolved

>>15729991
we are pretty early
they are very far away

>>15729991
Out of all the stupid theories that scientists believe I think it's simply just a case of Earth being a remote planet far away from cosmic civilizations who are probably on the other side of the galaxy

>>15731938
>TL;DR they simply haven't found us yet

There is obviously going to be other life in the universe, but there are a ton of factors for why there aren't random UFOs. Faster than light travel probably isn't possible. There are no other intelligent lifeforms that have figured out a way to circumvent it. Even the most technologically advanced as possible species is severely limited to their own galaxy at most. Humans will never be able to escape earth before we either deplete it. Most other lifeforms probably fail this too.

Our solar system is extremely rare. Everything from the size of the earth, the composition and core of the earth from two planets impacting and not destroying each other, the type of sun, our moon being created the way it was, and having a jupiter sized planet where it is, is basically impossible. 99% of the universe is just too hostile for anything to exist.

>>15731955
>life is uncommon
>complex life is rare
>intelligent life is very rare
>intelligent life that lasts long enough to develop advanced technology is extremely rare
>the likelihood of intelligent life wiping itself out goes up the more advanced their tech is
>FTL isn't possible
>STL is very difficult

Why would ayys want to colonize the galaxy in the first place?

>>15732070
people seem to think they will because we seem to want to, so anyone else should also want to.
quite retarded but humans gonna human.
>hmm, I like to fuck women so clearly aliens are going to want to fuck our women.

>>15729991
If there is aliens near us, what makes you think they'd have space travel to distant planets.
Aliens don't even have to have technology at all. They could just be like many of the other animals earth has.

>>15729998
>le grape filler!

>>15731941
>>15731938
I believe this more than "lol life is le extremely rare and we're sooooo special lmao humanity fuck yeah"

>>15732121
not sure. you could think that even if there's simple life on another planet, whatever "now" means, in the grand scheme of things it shouldn't matter. the only planet with life we know spawned intelligent life in the end, so that may happen on other planets, most planets, or maybe on long enough timescales ALL planets who develop life end up with intelligent life.
too small sample size to surely say most planets with life don't end up producing intelligent life, "in the end".
>>15732123
the great filter is not for life survival, it's for life expansion into the universe. for some reason midwits think great filter means it kills or "seriously pushes back/nerfs" life.
in reality it is applied for expansion into the universe, not for life literal survival

>>15729991
>would of been
>would of
>of
Man, you are either mentally disabled or underage. Saged.

>>15729991
They would probably look at us before ariving. And seeing how we treat other species, why would they want to visit in the first place?

>>15731955
>for why there aren't random UFOs
There are, but they tend to get blindly dismissed as hoaxes regardless of evidence because thinking about the implications of UFOs randomly is uncomfortable.

Most alien civilizations are destroyed by random gamma ray bursts long before they achieve the technology for interstellar expansion. Our own civilization could be wiped out by a gamma ray burst at any moment and we would never see it coming.
>note to self: stop watching the Event Horizon youtube channel

>>15729991
You exist. Why haven't you gone to [random location]?
Answer: that's why.

>>15730521
I hope so

>>15729991
Maybe we're the incels of the universe and no one wants to be near us

>>15729991
Short answer: what's the benefit of seeking out a retarded "civilization" of apes when you can travel around the Cosmos and find a better?

Let's put it like this: If you need new tires, would you go to some nigger ghetto place or Firestone? When multiple are within driving distance?

maybe they have already uploaded their minds and they don't really care about the physical world anymore

most likely they don't even know humans exist

>>15732190
how we treat other animal species which are not conscious would be irrelevant to them but if they would see how some treat other people say of different race or gender that would probably scare them

>>15732190
They will probably look at us and think
>these retards actually believe jew media
And not bother

>>15733334
they will see this comment and not bother

>>15733436
pro-jewish extraterrastrial parasites are some of the least desired guests to this planet, so hail to the nazis

>>15729991
>Why haven't they
You can't answer this question because you are a human. Therefore you should stop drawing stupid conclusions, there's no math to do about anything here because you don't know nearly enough variables required.

>>15729991
What could we possibly offer them that they haven't already achieved themselves? We can't even colonize our own orbiting satellite without risking a potential world war or bankrupting our own country in the process. A species that has figured out how to build an ark ship that can travel 10% the speed of light across interstellar distances, is already 2-300 years more advanced than us. They have figured out mathematics, physics, material sciences, biomedical engineering, and artificial intelligence systems at levels and scales we can't even fathom yet.

It's like asking "if you're an adult that understands calculus why don't you speak it to a baby?"

Why the fuck would you?

>>15729991
Universe is really, really young from cosmological perspective and we are really, really early to the party.
>but universe is billions of years old
First stars needed to burn up to fuse heavier elements than hydrogen and helium
You can't do any complex molecules with those so you need to wait tens of billions of years before life can start to form
You need Sun-like stars to happen. You need loads of carbon and metals around.

The oldest Sun-like star is less than 4 billion years older than the Sun.
Forming the simplest life took 1 billion years, eukaryotic cells roughly another billion, multicellular life took another and forming higher life took another billion
so one can assume each major evolutionary step is 1 in a billion years sort of occurrence
Life (probably) needs to survive at least 4 billion years unhindered before it evolves to a form that can send out spaceships and stuff and we had several near extinction events ourselves. Even a single total extinction event would entirely nullify the head start other lifeforms might have had on us on some point.

Meanwhile, the estimated universe lifespan is about 100 trillion years
In other words:
If universe was a party that starts at 18:00 and ends at 2:00 the next day, we showed up not even 2.5 seconds after the club opened up and we are wondering where all the liqured-up babes are.

>>15729991
Because the sequence of events that lead to intelligent life evolving happens in 1 in 10^1000 instances of the multiverse, which is to say it has happened an infinite number of times at a very low probability.

>>15729991
"They believe in the government and thus believe the extraterrestrial lie. These dupes do not know that the Illuminati are the aliens who plan to destroy the United States of America in any event. When I saw Operation Majority while serving in the Navy I believed the alien threat was real just like everyone else. It was not until I had performed many years of research that I was able to fully understand exactly what it was that I had seen. It was extremely difficult for me to believe that my government and the United States Navy had used me, especially since I had dedicated my life to government and military service. Most government and military personnel cannot and will not believe such and idea. The plan is real. The extraterrestrial threat is artificial. The threat is presented through the use of secret technology originally developed by the Germans in their secret weapons programs during WW-II, by geniuses like Nikola Tesla, and many others."
-Bill Cooper

"I know that the CIA employees were programmed to believe in such alien forces in order to mask their uber programmers - these operatives were indoctrinated - made to foster this 'alien agenda' belief system and to pass it on. The Nazis were creating aircraft that looked like flying saucers. If any retired CIA official decided to talk about all of this - after the documents had been declassified 'memory modification' would kick in i.e. the unwitting mind control victim would add fanciful stuff about the 'alien agenda' to confuse the issue. I know that there were Illuminati/Nazi designs of aircraft, of the 'flying saucer' variety - but they were not built or flown by 'aliens'."
-Ex MI6

https://youtu.be/CJqBiH2e5HM?t=3407
https://youtu.be/UTLHmbbI8ik

pro tip: the earth is flat and stationary, aliens don't exist

>earth is in the rarest solar system
>multiple impacts and a perfect moon happened to form to support life
>no galactic extinction events occured to wipe off evolution
>we are protected from the sun by the moon
>the sun gives off the perfect amount of energy to sustain life
>the earth has a perfect condition to support life by rotating at the exact speed necessary to allow it to develop
>volcanoes formed the perfect geological conditions for bacteria to develop

when people say aliens must exist, because the universe is so big...it's really stupid

>>15732069
>FTL isn't possible
Let's just all become protons and zoot scoot on hither throughout the universe

>>15732131
you say that like you have a contrarian and evidence based take when in reality there are zero technosigniatures so far found and many reasons to think technological life is rare. Every basedence fan fantasies about alien civilizations because its what they want to beleive. You should be cautious accepting something judt because you want to beleive it, and instead just accept that it's possible we are alone in the galaxy until proven otherwise.

>>15732110
>hmm, I like to fuck women so clearly aliens are going to want to fuck our women.
if they reproduce sexually then yes.
life propagates. Any life form that takes over its entire planet is sufficiently colonial to want to do that in space.

>>15732325
there is literally zero evidence of UFO's. The navy pilot footage was unironically ducks.

>>15732723
tf are you taking about nigger? Earth has never been hit by a gamma Ray burst which has lead to a mass extinction so why would it happen now?

>>15734799
peak formation of sun like stars ks already behind us so abiogenesis will be rarer as the universe goes on. Its quite likely imo that typically life takes far longer to evolve if conditions are not as perfect as they were on Earth, and if it takes longer then 99% of the time it will be destroyed by the star.

>>15729991
Dark forest solution to the Fermi paradox.

It doesn't matter if aliens exist or not. Eventually the milky way and andromeda galaxies will collide and the combined galaxy will become a quasar that sterilizes all surface life in both galaxies. Maybe underwater primitive aliens on ice shell moons like Europa will survive but all other complex life will be destroyed.

>>15736077
how do tou know?

>>15729991
Space is really, really big. And it extends in all directions.

They weak and fear the strong

>>15729991
They most likely have no idea we actually exist

>>15729991
But they were here anon.

>>15729991
How do you know we aren't already colonized, retard?
Are you some sort of alien expert!? Do you know how aliens colonize the galaxy? Did assume they'd send a personal email to every human, declaring us their property? Are you saying you scouted every cubic inch of every celestial body in the solar system and nothing looks like an alien to you? Do you even know what an alien looks like? Have you seen them before???

>>15729991
what would the purpose of visiting earth (out any other world) be to an alien race? assuming that they are beings of advanced technological advancement, would they not have solved the biology problem by becoming digital entities?
i unironically think that humans are heading in this direction currently anyway.
regardless, if you can create a digitized life, there is no reason to explore physical space.

>>15729991 Well, they have but that may depend on yoir definition of colonized but it's clear they arrived some time ago (it could be before humans even started to exist).

The only other intelligent self aware species we haven’t killed off yet on this planet is the Orca and we are currently beefing with them over sale boats. What makes you think aliens would want to find us?

I find it bizarre that people think aliens would only now notice life on this earth

Really think about it

>>15729991

>>15729991

The only reasonable answer is that alien life is just that rare.

>>15729991
they were here already

>>15729991
>Millions of years ago
>Earth was either a snowball or a hellscape of massive predatory carnivores

Yeah bud, if they came here, they looked around and fuckin' dipped.

>>15729991
Maybe they live in the ocean and it's a major thing for them to just be on the land much less launch into space. And if they did go to space, they'd have to lift large amounts of water to keep themselves alive. And they live on a much larger planet with higher gravity.

>>15729991
Maybe they did 273 million years ago, then again 23 million years ago, and will again in 16 million years.

We do not know exactly HOW rare it is for conditions like on earth to appear in a given solar system, but a system having as many planets as we do, with a gas giant on the outer rims and not closer to the suns orbit does seem to be rare. Let's go crazy (not really, as we only have one point of reference) and say that complex life HAS to have earth like conditions to appear, it has to originate on ocean worlds in stable orbits with a mild sun, low risk of celestial bombardment etc etc. Let's say that 1:1 000 000 solar systems qualify, it might be lower, might be much higher. Still leaves tens, if not hundreds of thousands of planets which could have intelligent life in our solar system.
Next let's assume that meeting intelligent life from another galaxy is near impossible, and we limit ourself to our galaxy.

Then we plot in the crucial factor, time. People always forget about time. Earth has had life for 3,7 billion years, yet assuming we get to colonizing other planets, thats a grand total of a single species capable of this feat in 3,7 billion years.
So we need a civilization within travel distance, which is already low odds if there is only thousands of life bearing planets in our galaxy, then these planets need to have a space faring civlization on them existing in the same time as us, or being out exploring just as we are looking. Not 70 000 years from now, or 28 million years ago, now.
It is entierly possible that in the milky way galaxy right now, if time can even be used on such a large scale, we are the only species that are capable of leaving our own orbit. Our species, even if we explore the stars might never find a concurrent space faring civilization, instead we might just find remnants.

Of course, that is unless we rome ourself back to the dark ages again and then get hit with another reset button we then cannot prevent or endure.

>>15739311
>Maybe they did 273 million years ago, then again 23 million years ago, and will again in 16 million years.
Exactly, and just one of these would had to have left long-duration tech somewhere around Earth such as replicating automatons or tech in some highly advanced cryopreservation.

My theory is that all sufficiently advanced civilisations eventually get to the stage where they can live as gods inside VR indistinguishable from the real world, and decided to do that instead of colonise the galaxy (since it's a lot easier).

>>15729991
There is a big ass chungus amount of planets. If they were exploring planets i wouldnt be surprised they havent get here yet. Most probable case would be they hearing us and coming. From the center of the milky way to earth they would take 8 years travelling at light speed wich would be 28000 years for us

>>15734858
yeah theres a god for sure, you fucking /sci/ can bitch all you want too me, its too much of a idiotic coincidence for all of this to happen and we still haven’t been wiped off in existence

>>15732123
>>15729998

>>15732070
They would have the same psychology as us so would like to grab things and call it theirs, I think advanced aliens would just declare stars as their property and treat any planet around as also their property.

The distances invovled are so vast we are never going to bump into another civilization. Not unless some alien species is really advanced and managed to get past the speed of light which many scientists think is impossible. Just to get to our closest star, proxima centauri, it would take 75 thousand years at current technology. So yeah, not happening. Best case scenario is a expanse future. Where we colonize our solar system and terraform other planets and build cities inside asteroids.

They're already here

>>15739614
What odds do you believe any single life bearing planet has for being inhabited by space faring lifeforms, conveniently existing at a time where they could contact us? It took close to 4 billion years of continued evolution for earth to produce a single species capable of leaving it's orbit. Even if there were a thousand life bearing planets in a 100 lightyear radius from us, the odds that even one of them having spacefaring aliens would be 1 in 4 million.

>hollywood plot devices are totally real!!!

>>15739849
yeah but why tho. doesn't make sense at all. especially since we can't see shit on the skies. why the fuck would they be here?
the only people tripping about this is power hungry psychos fearing someone smarter with more resources is coming for them, so they live their whole lives in this paranoid fear trying to control everything, even God himself if possible. as that presents the ultimate threat.
westoids retarded psychosis.

>>15740025
They made us and they're monitoring everything we do.

>>15740044
yeah and somehow they snatch you when you least expect it and they drug you so you won't remember shit and have fun with your ass "probing" you.
there's a lot of shit to unpack, but yeah it's mostly (You) having a broken mind.

They don’t exist, at least not anywhere near us.
We’re probably the only civilization in the galaxy

>>15729991
They are in our orbit, They regularly fly in our skies and monitor us. They will not contact us until we are ready.

>>15734211
You are stupid, The fact we already sent robots in space increases the probability of other interstellar robots that had millions of years headstart

Is that something you understand? 400 billion stars in the galaxy?

people who spend their lives daydreaming about space are people who are avoiding thinking about their failure and inability to provide a satisfactory life for themselves here on earth with the rest of the humans. its a massive escapist cope for cringey losers with personality disorders that they're unwilling to correct.

>>15739211
what is this anon? sci-fi script or what

>>15729991
They are already here and we are them. Who do you think terraformed primordial earth???

>>15739849
alien here
can confirm

>>15739311
This.
>thats a grand total of a single species capable of this feat in 3,7 billion years
Also note that life was unicellular for 3 billion of those years.
I'd wager that the universe, even our galaxy, is FULL of life. But most of it's pondscum. I'd be impressed if they found worms, let alone 'fish.'

>>15737607
Heh...presented...

>>15729991
Civilization was started by them.
There are ruins in the Moon and Mars.

>>15742257
officially released cia file

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/search/site/CIA-RDP96-00788R001900760001-9

>>15729991
Universe is so big that our logic can not perceive it. For a "Inter-galactic Civizilation" our existence is meaningless

>>15744256
It might not even be possible for an intergalactic civilization to exist, if it turns out you can't do FTL travel or communication. What's the point, if you won't find out what's happening in the next galaxy over for a million years or more?
Interstellar civilizations might also be a challenge

I think if humans ever manage to travel to and colonize another star system, they will become completely detached from where they came from

We should thank God at least we're in a decently sized galaxy, cause maybe one day we will actually make contact with another species.
Imagine if we developed in one of those tiny galaxies or even worse, a rogue star in the middle of nowhere.