/sci/ - Science & Math

I think we could probably build a self replicating factory/machine on the Moon with today's tech, it would use a lot of simplified and "dumb" components and designs but would be capable of growth with nothing but sunlight and regolith as inputs. Probably not worth it to try yet, but soon.

you're only supposed to bake new threads once the old one hits page 10. This thread was made an hour ago and the active thread is still page 9

>>15723476
That's obviously the plan for the so-called 'lunar economy' most nations are going for these days. But we first have to get there safely.

>>15723447
Assuming no aerodrag, what velocity does a gun need to shoot something into to earth-moon l1?

Im thinkin if you can get to l1 (61350 km apogee) the payload falls to the moon from there. Im a buffoon who cant do the simple newtonian math to figure out what gun velicity is needed though.

>>15723476
>>15723525
between 3D printing and AI i can see it being pretty possible in the near future

>>15723447
What is this physiognomy called?

>Old, digitized astronomical images taken before the human spacefaring age offer a unique view of the sky devoid of known artificial satellites. In this paper, we have carried out the first optical searches ever for non-terrestrial artifacts near the Earth following the method proposed in Villarroel et al. (2022). We use images contained in the First Palomar Sky Survey to search for simultaneous (during a plate exposure time) transients that in addition to being point-like, are aligned. We provide a shortlist of the most promising candidates of aligned transients, that must be examined with the help of a microscope to separate celestial sources from plate defects with coincidentally star-like brightness profiles. We further explore one possible, but not unique, interpretation in terms of fast reflections off high-albedo objects in geosynchronous orbits around Earth. If a future study rules out each multiple transient candidate, the estimated surface density becomes an upper limit of <10−9 objects km−2 non-terrestrial artifacts in geosynchronous orbits around Earth. Finally, we conclude that observations and analysis of multiple, simultaneously appearing and vanishing light sources on the sky merit serious further attention, regardless of their origin.
https://arxiv.org/abs/2204.06091
ayys or pre-sputnik human spaceflight?

>>15723592
Romanians made it to orbit with steam powered rockets before sputnik in an attempt to gather intel on horse drawn carriages across europe that were ripe for stealing

>>15723569
what's this called?

Incessant news article and bait twitter screenshot posting is a plague.
The other anon is correct in calling it out.

He is quite literally me

>>15723748
lel

Autism PTSD is worse

>>15723521
This, OP is a PREMATURE EJACTULATOR

I've said it before but I'll say it again:

Liquid hydrogen is unavoidable in spaceflight. If not for hydrolox launch vehicles than for interplanetary nuclear thermal transfer vehicles.

wtf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR1B_0rHwnI

CAM ON FAA

LAUNCH THEM FUCKEN ROCKETS

>>15723748
enough about Elon, what about his kids?

>>15723870
kek

>>15723521
AAAnd we're still on page 9 on the active thread. You staged 4 hours early

TND required

>>15723839
density impulse is trash, boiloff issues, leaks everywhere (literally diffuses through solid metal like it isn't there), embrittlement, methane is better for nuclear therm since it decomposes into carbon and hydrogen at high enough temps and you get quite literally more than double the hydrogen atoms in the same tank size while also improving the mass fraction due to lower insulation requirements AND higher density fuel. Hydrogen is a devious temptress that only exists to mislead blindly optimistic engineers who think ISP is the be-all-end-all of rocketry when it's only one component of the total equation.

>>15723891
TOTAL NUSPACE DEATH

How does firefly run their RP1-burning engines so cleanly?

The CEO said you can practically eat off of them if you wanted to.

>>15723892

It's not like hydrogen is an untested new propellant; we already have sixty years of experience working with it to show.

SEPTEMBER 8

>Asked for an update on the progress of this regulatory approval, an FAA spokesman said Wednesday morning that additional information may be provided soon.
https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/09/starship-is-stacked-and-ready-to-make-its-second-launch-attempt/

>>15723917
its quite clear that if they dont receive approval this week, next week will fall 100%. So there is a pretty substantial chance first attempt is wednesday-thursday-friday next week.

>>15723917
Is it happening? It looks like the exact same set up as IFT-1 where everything was prepared in advance

Holy fuck I hate the FAA

>>15723928
Don't hate the FAA, hate the FAA

What if the ship survives reentry ? even with missing tiles

>>15723935
kino moment

>>15723907
markusic says why in the interview.
tapoff cycle is extremely hot straight from the combustion chamber. burns off all the hydrocarbon chains

Rocket launch today

https://twitter.com/NASAUniverse/status/1699437308481609948

>>15723935
Probably some complaints from FAA since they want it to break up on reentry.

>>15723943
Proof? Why? That would be so dumb, they should be happy if anything that its not a large scattered debris field

>>15723942
It will 'splode

>>15723841
Old idea.

>>15723944
If it doesn't break up there is no guarantee it doesn't crossrange out of the danger zone.

>>15723947
bruh its the Pacific missile range facility along that entire track, its only open ocean out there

>>15723839
Name ONE redeemable quality other than “it can be ISRUd on le Moon”

>>15723917
>the lack of a sound suppression system led to significant damage, including the rupture of concrete chunks from the launch pad that
>There is now a water deluge system beneath the rocket to manage its considerable acoustic energy.

He still thinks this is about acoustic energy lmao

>>15723953
Is this Mexico?

>>15723957
yes

>>15723953
I hope the towering columns of dust aren't as present this time around so we can see that long exhaust pluume

>>15723917
probably dodging last minute Sierra Club lawsuits by waiting to announce a launch date

>>15723957
Yes. The best viewing spot for an american rocket from american soil, ironically

>>15723957
>>15723960
leaning in the wrong direction to be Mexico

>>15723966
Its exactly here. Look it for yourself

>>15723969
Now I see, the image is horizontal flipped looking at the lean and the mound on the ground in that pic

It’s so over bros

we are fucking going bros

>>15723972
Literal nas (not a starship)

>>15723969
So aside from Mexico and South Padre, which is quite far, what were the best viewing spots?

>>15723935
then they scuttle it

>>15723989
on a boat I guess

So, which part of the Biden administration will have the last word about the impeding Scamshit launch: the one that wants Elon dead, or the one that needs a big launcher for their spatial arms race?

>>15723991
fuck I can't wait
anybody going to see it live?

>>15723991
hop when?

>>15723991
quite obvious that SH engines exploded due to low head pressure due to FTS

>>15723991
his ass is not making it to orbit

road closure tomorrow

>>15724012
HMMMMMMMMM

i have yet to see evidence that starship reentry will be unguided or otherwise purposefully terminated.
in fact i clearly remember documentation about how it would blow up when splashing down on the ocean surface.
found it picrel

Hawaii is just the US's missile/rocket bitch lmao

>>15724021
Source?

>>15724022
>hawaii is further south than the rest of america
then why is it 120 degrees on the mainland when its a nice 80 degrees in hawaii

>>15724027
Sea breeze? idk

>>15724025
https://www.faa.gov/media/27271

https://twitter.com/TheIntelFrog/status/1699442385304924352/photo/1

NSF should hopefully catch this one

>>15724030
Yeah actually on page 2 it clearly says the opposite of what has been posted here.
Who invented this myth? Is it based on the word "passive"?

>>15724027
cause it's 6 am here right now
also it's not the temperature, it's the UV index
before moving here I thought UV index didn't go above 10

>>15724022
It's our forward airbase in the Pacific, that's the only reason we made it a state.

>>15724012
the marine notices were from 8th to 13th, could actually be on friday then

https://twitter.com/Alexphysics13/status/1698547808490418397

>>15723997
The one that sold out to Beijing

>>15724033
Exactly, they keep both options open as is sensible

>>15724046
I hope that Hawaii anon didn't die in the fire.

>>15724042
Isn't it pretty much everyone?

>>15724046
Anyone know how the tracking is around Hawaii, SpaceX have Kwaj tracking there right? I wanna know if we're gonna get some kino onboard or external camera views

>>15724046
Yeah. Nominal for first flight would have been successful reentry
They say on page 7 that
>following the second and third launches. The Starships would be expended in the red area shown in Figure 1
obviously referring to the ships they built without a heat shield.
S25 has a heat shield so most natural would be same as first flight
>If Starship completes the descent phases as nominally planned, SpaceX expects Starship would explode and break up upon impact with the Pacific Ocean’s surface, where most debris would be expected to sink

>>15724066
>SpaceX expects Starship would explode and break up upon impact with the Pacific Ocean’s surface,

Nooo

>>15724054
Air Force has some great stuff there that they use among others during ballistic missile tests. Really doubt they would release anything to the public.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3.67_m_Advanced_Electro_Optical_System_Telescope

>The 3.67-meter telescope, known as the Advanced Electro-Optical System (AEOS), owned by the Department of Defense, is the United States' largest optical telescope designed for tracking satellites. The 75-ton AEOS telescope points and tracks very accurately, yet is fast enough to track both low-Earth satellites and ballistic missiles. It can slew at nearly 20 degrees per second

>>15724069
>Really doubt they would release anything to the public.
FOIA...

>>15724021
I believe the plan, assuming reentry went well with IFT-1, was to simulate a landing up until the flip and burn. They were going to guide it to a location but then just let her free fall until she impacted. And yeah probably blow her up too for good measure I guess
Not quite sure why they would want to go through the trouble of doing everything expect for an attempted SS landing. Like shit they’re simulating a full SH landing—plus SS has only successfully hop-landed once. You’d think they would want more data

>>15723914
and all of that institutional knowledge points to it being utter dogshit for the reasons I already outlined, and more. hydrogen has killed more astronauts than every other failure mode combined (the $#*%!!& wouldn't need SRBs if they picked a fuel with better TWR)

>>15723951
part of the range gets within visible distance to some hawaiian islands, and the only envirofags more rabid and anti-progress than sierra club are fucking hawaiian tribal niggers
if even a single piece of debris manages to float its way outside the agreed zone they might legally complain that the rocket disturbed their holy waters or some shit

>>15724072
FOIA just means they must require, by law, a pathway (via in-person, mail, telephone, fax, and/or email) for someone to request. And that they must follow up with the requestor. They can still deny whatever they want pretty easily

Linking for ref

>>15723885
>>15723922
>>15723930

>>15724075
too much extra paperwork/FAA not allowing it without more data perhaps

>>15724076
>and the only envirofags more rabid and anti-progress than sierra club are fucking hawaiian tribal niggers
Trust me I know, considering what they've done to the telescope efforts

Someone needs to knock them down a peg, uppity cunts forget they're a US state sometimes

>Space Development Agency solicits bids for 54 missile-tracking satellites
>SDA plans to build a Tracking Layer of more than 100 satellites to detect hypersonic missiles from China and Russia
>SDA has already acquired four Tranche 0 Tracking Layer satellites from SpaceX, and four from L3Harris. It ordered 14 Tranche 1 satellites from L3Harris, 14 from Northrop Grumman and seven from Raytheon Technologies. To date, only the SpaceX tracking satellites have been launched to orbit.

https://spacenews.com/space-development-agency-solicits-bids-for-54-missile-tracking-satellites/

>>15724085
>selling modified starlinks for the low price of a trillion dollars

>>15724072
>boomer ellipses

>>15724090
boomer ellipses...

>>15723476
Moon regolith is like 40% oxygen, 20% silicon, and 10% aluminum, so it’s going to be insanely easy to make many tons of aluminum for mirrors/sails/space stations/ships/habs.
And you can keep the oxygen, which is a lot of the mass of stoichiometric hydrocarbon combustion. And it’s the vast majority of water’s mass (just ship up lots of hydrogen from earth and burn it to make water!)
And the silicon can find uses too. Simplest is rocks/bricks, but with a semiconductor fab you could use it for chips.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/01/machine-to-melt-moon-rocks-and-derive-metals-may-launch-in-2024/amp/

>>15723476
Yes it's 10000000 tons of mass and includes humans and animals

This goes so hard

>>15724098
>raptor boost
>raptor center
stop it already its the same engine

>>15724106
its not that easy in engine namery

>>15724098
Gem

>>15724098
This just hits different

>>15724088
>funding secured!

>>15724096
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/space/article/oxygen-pipeline-moon-houston-lunar-resources-nasa-17769286.php

https://twitter.com/LunarSpaceTech/status/1628044565411135490

cool

>>15724129
>Houston knows O&G won’t last forever like it is now
>Refuses to become detroit
>transitions to a hub for off-world propellant production and transportation in the far future
Lunar pipelines, Titan depots, Neptune Scoopers

>>15724072
>>15724077
specifically anything that can be construed as having to do with 'national security' is absolutely 100% exempt from any FOIA request. Starship could fall under that due to ITAR, but more importantly the true capabilities of the systems mentioned in >>15724069 are not going to be made public until at least a decade after they've been fully retired and dismantled.

SpaceX Starship 25 stacked on Super Heavy booster 9: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrDUTLrzwPo
What happens if they make it into orbit? What's the first actual mission going to be?

>>15724144
USSF Space Marine deployment to Taiwan

>>15724144
this won't be orbital strictly speaking, but if this test succeeds (and the booster simulated landing succeeds as well), then they will launch again and try to simulate Starship flip and land over the water and then orbital refilling
actually landing on the tower and reusing either the booster or Starship is not really on the critical path for HLS starship and time is running out

>>15724098
Design reminds me of the infographics in the books about space and old rockets I read when I was in school. Nostalgia kino

>>15724154
I suspect they’ll just do expendable SH for HLS moonship launches

>>15724163
There’s gonna be major cope when Blue Origin reuses their NG boosters to send up their dinky lander. Contrarian Blue fans will claim it as a win and it will be insufferable

>>15723748
https://twitter.com/WalterIsaacson/status/1699400177839210591

not so fast

>>15724167
that is planned for Artemis 5 in 2029, Artemis 4 is planned for 2028, so in principle they could have a fully reusable system for the refilling at that point

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemis_program#Early_Missions

Suborbit is for subhumans. Send S25 down the drink, and bring out the next one for a Starlink mission.

>>15724177
It's over. 2 weeks at minimum

>>15724154
The production of SS is fast and cheap enough that launching them expendable at first is cheap enough to still make the program work out. Replace the structural top half with a stubby nose cap for more cost reduction and propellant delivered per launch.
The SH is a lot more material to lose and having to crank out a full SH every launch would put a considerable strain on the Raptor production line. Having to expand that line and then idle it later would very expensive.

>>15724187
Yep booster reuse is critical but SS not so much

>>15724177
>no fts
>starship goes off course and crash lands into china

>>15724177
but Elon said Starship was ready. Someone ain't telling the truth

>>15724209
Sadly China is nowhere near along the flight path

>>15724212
It's not full of fuel yet he says it's ready. Funny how that works.

>>15724076
>fucking hawaiian tribal niggers
I don't know if you've heard, but they're kind of busy lately because of a little fire that got out of hand, and nobody would use the "holy" water to put it out.

>>15724218
It's not ready, but it is "ready"

imagine being an FTS officer

>>15724214
You can bet they'll send their spying vessel there.

>>15724224
They will not be sending a spying vessel anywhere near an active Navy missile range

>>15724224
Why? There's nothing there.
In the gulf you can recover engines or avionics in way shallower water.

You can't run, SLS. Even if you escape, your killswitch is counting down. You'll be dead in twenty-three months. Another fifty billion dollars down the drain.

Reminder than 1st stage engines from all rockets launched from Kennedy are in international waters.

>>15724222
>be FTS officer
>your child is on this flight to a commercial space station
>if you don't destroy the rocket it might come down and hit a boat
>close your eyes and slowly squeeze the trigger
>WAIT
>an ocelot snuck on board
>you are now going to prison no matter what you do

>>15724177
The FAA also has yet to start approval process for the new FTS

>>15724242
they should take their time frankly, cause last time they fucked up

>>15724242
proof?

>>15724230
spying vessel? you mean conspicuous civilian chinese fishing boat

>>15724242
>The FAA also has yet to start approval process for the new FTS
it came to me in a dream

>>15724247
They wouldn't dare come that close lol

>>15724246
honestly I just made it up, but it sounds believable

>>15724262
>>15724252
literally

They're unironically just using paint rollers lel

>>15724265
why the white color. I thought Staship would have a pretty metallic facade

new rocket

>>15724265
We all gonna make it

>>15724265
FUCKING BASED

>>15724106
raptor boost doesn't have relight capability or gimballing, and the turbopumps were at least supposed to be simplified but I'm not sure if that ever happened. there's at least enough differentiation to have separate nomenclature for them especially in comparison to aerojew shekeldyne's antics renaming the same engine twenty times.

reusable engine blueprints

>>15724265
IMAGINE THE OUTGASSING

Would you fly it?

>>15724291
I don't think I would fit in the cockpit. They saved mass by optimizing for small (<5'7") pilots.

Is space real?

>>15724265
https://twitter.com/RGVaerialphotos/status/1699486072948789587

>>15724270
its the HLS nosecone

By the way, did they connect Starbase to 3 phase grid power yet?

>>15724291
>ballistic submarine
wut?

>>15724308
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_missile_submarine

>>15724318
Its so fucking beautiful bros

>>15724106
>stop it already its the same engine

They aren't though, Boost Raptors cannot air light or gimble.

>>15724303
yes

>>15724106
Fuck you. Lets go full German autism and have a dozen variants of the Raptor. Each receiving a special name, factory, and supply chain. No, they're not interchangeable, that's just silly.

>>15724318
religious

>>15724341
>Raptorboostergenshutzenachtungvergen 3

>>15724265
it won't be long before its just the space shuttle, they tried to warn us

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1lneMDm7KI

>>15724352
Gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8/8

>>15724318

>>15724355

>>15723917
>d-don't worry guys, the FAA isn't holding SpaceX back, SpaceX isn't even ready yet...

>>15724265

True, or just cope?

>>15724365
Dios mio...

>>15724370
I think that only applies to the development process. Starship isn't cheap at all, they're dumping tens of billions into making it cheap going forward. It's just that the industry is so fucked that tens of billions and 5+ years of hardcore development is fairly reasonable by government standards.

>>15724370
generally yes, but during or right after technological disruptions all three could be true until those things get re-defined within the new paradigm

>>15724214
>>15724224
>>15724230
>>15724253
>>15724231
If the chinese were brave, they could attempt to use a nuclear submarine to recover pieces of the wreck, to for instance study the alloys used. A lot of information can be gained from even a mangled shattered rocket engine.

>>15724370
If this is true, then how come Falcon 9 is good, cheap and fast?

>>15724370
>argument by analogy

https://toughsf.blogspot.com/2020/05/water-disk-rocket.html

This is insanely cool, are tethers really that OP in space?

>>15724341
>No, they're not interchangeable, that's just silly.
One uses M20-2.5 and the other uses M20-1.5 bolts, except for the one that uses M20-1.25 because fuck you.
If you use the wrong ones in the wrong engine mounts, they explode at start up from the bolts stripping out under tension.

>>15724402
They really are

>>15724425
>current day humanity produces most of energy boiling water
>far future spacefaring humanity might travel the stars spraying hot water

>>15724365
the middle guy looks handsome

>>15724427
steam go woosh

>>15724389
Falcon 9 wasn't fast. It took quite a while to get to the point it is now.

>>15724402
>95,460 RPM). It is not so extreme: commercial hard-drive disks spin at 7200 RPM and ultracentrifuges manage 100,000 RPM. We could compare at them to uranium gas centrifuges spinning at 90,000 RPM.
Bruh

How long did it take for this retard to figure it out?
https://time.com/6310076/elon-musk-ai-walter-isaacson-biography/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_term=business_companies&linkId=233510924

>>15724402
it handwaves an obscene amount of issues, so much so that I don't even know where to begin

>>15724355
>>15724365
>Hey NSF, who spends money better, spacex or nasa?
>ashctually this isnt a competition

Tab closed. No taxpayer needs to listen to this shit

>>15724440
Right now the issue is outside of his hands. Most of the work is already done on SpaceX end. Raptor production is solved. Starship production is largely solved. OLM refinement is likely solved. Starlink had been solved years ago. All the things that Musk worked hard on and focused on has been largely solved. Now Starship is close to the product release stage.

>>15724442
name (1) five

>>15724444
Having the boss on deck overseeing things can definitely expedite things. Also might fuck with morale and lead to extra dumb decisions being made, but without proper oversight you just wind up with Blue Origin.

>>15724444
Ramp is harder than prototypes.
Starship is 1% solved.
Also then comes the issue of what to actually launch to mars and how to refuel the ships there at reasonable amount mass.

https://www.the-sun.com/news/8986249/elon-musk-dad-fears-assassination-attempt-errol/

Assassination of Elon Musk is being prepped by Biden admin. Character assassination has been ongoing for few years. Now actual assassination maybe in order.

>>15724438
What's the problem? ultracentrifuges manage to hold together under that stress, why not a tether?

>>15724454
Musk has been working on ramp of Raptors/Starships/Starlink. Thats why they're solved problems.

I think the issue largely is now the final stages of product release which requires government to say "you're okay to launch"

>>15724455
He should flee to Mars then loololol

>>15724440
He said that in March and has since changed his mind. X is by far the most important of all Muskian ventures

>>15724440
If AI is an existential threat, we will see the full effects before a self sustaining colony on mars can be achieved. And even if we settled mars first, you aren't safe on mars.

If you are really afraid of AI, the best thing to do would be to get xAI ahead of every other organization/corp so you'll be the first to produce hard evidence that it's dangerous so you have standing to complain about it and be listened to.

>>15724462
AI doesn't have to destroy the world to stop us from going to space
it could just as easily solve all our problems and make us fat and lazy

>>15724462
>>15724461
>>15724466
>>15724455
Shut the fuck up you off topic retards

>>15724467
Guy leading the space company is about to get assassinated. Its on topic.

>>15724467
Don't call me that

>>15724467
Where the main character of spaceflight places his attention is on topic

>>15724444
Even if those were solved problems, It'd be nice if he was solving new problems. Maybe already start developing concepts for a laser thermal rocket and in-orbit nuclear power plants and lasers. That'd give Delta-Vs in the range of 100 km/s. Good for more and faster mars transfers. Or any other propulsion methods that improves transit times. Starship is a top-tier launch vehicle but if propulsion for the next 30 years is just going to be basic bitch fuel-oxidizer rockets on 9 month long trips I'll get depressed.

>>15724468
remember to stop posting your retarded conclusions in this thread when this doesnt happen

>>15724452
but there is proper oversight, gwynne shotwell is at starbase

>>15724476
Yeah but for better or worse, Elon is Elon. You saw that EDA interview from a few years ago, the people at Starbase clearly adore him and/or are terrified of him. There's a difference between hard work and actual inspiration.

>>15724474
I'm pretty sure Musk still spends like 40% of his time at SpaceX
standing around starbase looking at the mexicans weld is pointless if there is nothing active, wasting time on some faraway scifi shit is retarded too
after Starship reaches orbit and they can start looking at all the variations etc there will be more short term stuff to look at

>>15724475
Its happening before your eyes.

Is the party's final and essential command that powerful in your heart, such that you'd avoid the direct evidence taking place?

>>15724456
Those centrifuges are extreme engineering, saying they are "not so extreme" is a joke.

>>15724462
He's telling the truth about existential risk, but AI isn't the threat and Mars isn't the solution. What Elon actually fears is WW3, and his role is getting Starship ready to launch Brilliant Pebbles.

>>15724491
>nothing is like it seems
classic case of mental retardation.

>>15724493
>nothing is like it seems
Wrong. It is precisely as it seems.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Griffin#Career

>>15724494
your brain is so addled by online shitslinging you can't even tell this is not a coherent way of arguing your point.

>>15724488
Thousands of them have been built and they run for months, its a mature technology and not cutting edge

>>15724496
Anybody who knows Michael Griffin's background with Elon Musk but still denies the obvious is being intellectually dishonest, and isn't worth wasting time on.

>>15724493
>>15724496
thanks for the heads up anon who is immediately angry for no reason

>>15724501
>still denies the obvious
>intellectually dishonest
classic case of mental retardation. you're the stupidest poster in the thread.

>>15724506
>>15724496
>>15724493
All you have to offer are insults. For some reason you don't like people talking about this.

>>15724370
Starship is in development for like a decade now
BFR was first announced in like 2015 and in 2010 they started toying with Falcon XX concept.

>>15724505
>immediately angry for no reason
i'm angry at stupidity being posted in the thread.
reminder that what is being alledged is starship is made because it should deploy brilliant pebbles.
spacex has been disingenuous about their goal of making life multiplanetary and actually just are chasing a government contract.
this has been posted numerous times and the poster is incapable of understand how one would prove this hypothesis.

Fact: Even if Starship succeeds tomorrow and is in serial production and flying regularly by next year, it will still take decades to develop a self-sustaining Mars colony.

Fact: If a Mars colony is not self-sufficient, then being a long distance from Earth will not protect people on Mars from AIs.

Obvious conclusion: The existential threat is not AI and going to Mars is not the solution.

>>15723998
If it actually goes on the 8th, probably no. If it's delayed to anytime next week, 100%.

>>15724512
>you should wait until the WW3 or the AI catastrophe has begun to start building your mars colony which would then be immediately self sustaining.
is this your point?

>>15724521
If your house is on fire, do you sit in your living room and order a fire extinguisher online?

>>15724494
damn this guy has done a lot, started SDA for instance
but just because Starship is a general purpose technology that has military applications does not mean that is the reason it was started
even the article you posted shows he has similar long term goals of colonizing Mars
utilizing military funding to help this along does not mean the tools created for the military on the way are the actual goal

>>15724511
I still don't understand. I have a normal intelligence so I can tell the claim is speculative in nature and can't be proven. There has to be another reason you are mad.

>spacex has been disingenuous about their goal of making life multiplanetary and actually just are chasing a government contract.

If I just said starship is made to launch starlink and make spacex money with a satellite constellation would you get assblasted? Also moon and mars missions would be government contracts for starship. The idea that spacex isn't chasing government contracts is off the table here.

>>15724512
there are other extinction events than just AI
(or at least events that set back human civilization for a long time)
preparing for AI with xAI and other stuff with the Mars colony are not mutually exclusive

>>15724524
nonsensical quip

>>15724524
if your house is on fire and you have been poisoned, do you ignore the poison? you have to deal with both of the problems

>>15724466
>it could just as easily solve all our problems
that is not how the human monkey works. It does not matter how fat and satisfied it is. there will always be new problems. If not anything real it will be substituted with pseudo problems

the brain is hardwired to seek out the perceived negative and bitch about it to correct it

>>15724512
I think elon is being honest. From interviews he seems to really fear AI, he seems to really want to go to mars, he's just not making sense when he says they are connected.

>>15724537
>there are other extinction events than just AI
The potential extinction event SpaceX is presently best situated to address is nuclear war. They are more capable of launching thousands of kinetic interceptors into orbit than they are of establishing a Mars colony.

>>15724547
I think he's genuine about using SpaceX to avert an existential threat to humanity.

>>15724536
>He's telling the truth about existential risk, but AI isn't the threat and Mars isn't the solution. What Elon actually fears is WW3, and his role is getting Starship ready to launch Brilliant Pebbles.
is a stronger assertion than
>If I just said starship is made to launch starlink and make spacex money with a satellite constellation

>>15724539
Is Amazon able to deliver a fire extinguisher fast enough to save you from the fire?
No.
Is SpaceX able to deliver a self-sufficient Mars colony fast enough to save you from the AIs?
No.

>>15724546
those aren't mutually exclusive and doing the first would actually help with revenue for the second, just like Starlink does
SpaceX wasn't created to make Starlink, but it helps with the mission

>>15724547
>he's just not making sense when he says they are connected
he rarely says this. mars is supposed to be redundancy to earth. what extinction event you're reduntant against doesn't matter.

>>15724551
Right but the way you wrote the complaint, you seemed to be mad about the accusation of disingenuousness or that spacex wants the government as a customer

Which still doesn't make sense. You can still want to make life multiplanetary and run a brilliant pebbles program. In fact those interests are heavily aligned.

>>15724553
>thousands of satellites in LEO
Starlink more closely resembles Brilliant Pebbles than it does a Mars colonization program.

>>15724547
when has he said they are connected? Never heard that
even with Optimus at Tesla, he has admitted it is outside the immediate scope of the core mission of Tesla (Accelerating the worlds transition to sustainable energy), but it is just such an obvious application of the AI they are developing for the cars + Tesla being a car manufacturing company is well suited to manufacturing another complex object like a robot, so its obvious to try to go for a humanoid robot

>>15724557
not an argument. making life multiplanetary is not profitable upfront.
reminder a discrepancy between stated and internal goals was alleged

>>15724557
you don't understand what I'm saying do you? this is pointless

>>15724545
so you're saying you agree with convicted eco-criminal Theodore Kaczynski

>>15724557
Starlink exists to make a shitload of cash to push into the near-bottomless money pit that will be building out infrastructure in space.

>>15724553
Anyway, I agree with your general point that Elon Musk may want to do both. But I think his first and most pressing mission is Brilliant Pebbles, because without that the other is off the table anyway. And I think this first mission is the primary reason SpaceX exists (Elon Musk being recruited into this role by Michael Griffin, who subsequently awarded SpaceX with NASA contracts to facilitate this development), and most closely resembles the technical capabilities SpaceX has developed thus-far (demonstrable ability to affordably launch thousands of LEO satellites.)

>>15724556
>you seemed to be mad about the accusation of disingenuousness
with no evidence provided or even an understanding of what said evidence would look like.
>You can still want to make life multiplanetary and run a brilliant pebbles program
refer to the post. both motives being parallel was not what was being claimed

>>15724562
Do you think you sound smart?

Life won't be multiplanetary if nuclear war breaks out anytime between now and a mars colony be self sustaining. Also if elon is going to participate in a brilliant pebbles project he isn't going to tell everyone. It would be a secret for as long as possible.

>>15724570
>But I think his first and most pressing mission is Brilliant Pebbles, because without that the other is off the table anyway.
insane how he has never talked about it.

>>15724568
Yeah, that's a theory. But their money making scheme JUST HAPPENS to require precisely the same capability as would be required to launch Brilliant Pebbles. And the rocket that made it possible, Falcon 9, just happens to have been developed thanks to contracts awarded by a man who's spent his entire career trying to get Brilliant Pebbles built.

>>15724576
Why would he talk about that? He doesn't have loose lips about any military mission or contract.

>>15724572
>Do you think you sound smart?
i dont care.
>Life won't be multiplanetary if nuclear war breaks out anytime between now and a mars colony be self sustaining
tautology.
i think you meant to claim instead that you know when said war was going to break out?

>>15724578
More than likely just an ideation of parallel technology utilization than an actual goal. Elon Musk once said that if he actually wanted to make money, he'd start an internet company. Then, when they started projecting how much it would cost to colonize Mars, he started making SpaceX into an internet company and bought Twitter.

>>15724318
Where's all the starlinks?

>>15724461
that's because he sunk all of his money into it. he can't afford for it to go bust

>>15724584
No, I said what I said. Deal with that instead of blurting out buzzwords. Also the parts of my post you didn't greentext are the most interesting.

>>15724436
Fast is just perspective then, it was faster than any other company

>>15724570
I disagree, but its good that you articulate the whole argument
you think Musk thinks a global nuclear war is imminent? doesn't really seem like a pressing existential problem right now but I guess its one of the problems that would be good to solve at some point
but you know, a self-sustaining mars colony would solve the problem as well, creating brilliant pebbles and giving them to one government and thus creating basically only one superpower in the world gradually towards a one world governement would not solve all the problems a self-sustaingin mars colony would
for instance, cultural decline and a dark age would be much worse if there was only one cultural block in the world (the west completely controlling the world, blocking space exploration for countries like china and india) instead of there being multiple independent powers able to explore space
a cultural chokehold that would bring everything down (of course global nuclear disarmament with the exception of USA with something like brilliant pebbles would be justified with security and so on, nuclear war is of course very bad)
so on one hand it would remove exctinction events, it would increase risk of other civilization debilitating events

>>15724512
AI won't be an extinction event, I'll leave ~10-15% alive with enough intact critical infrastructure to recover in relatively short order.

>>15724578
Starlink is not Brilliant Pebbles. You could use the Falcon 9 to build BP, but SpaceX isn't doing that and the government doesn't seem to be interested right now in doing that. It'd be like saying that China's Yaogan satellites are a fractional orbital bombardment system just because the LM-4C is capable of building one of those.

>>15724590
Too dim to show up.

>>15724444
>Musk
>worked

>>15724576
>why wouldnt he talk about a bleeding edge DoD program? huh? huh?

could the SDA be a front for brilliant pebbles?

>>15724592
>No, I said what I said. Deal with that instead of blurting out buzzwords.
So its not an argument.
>Also the parts of my post you didn't greentext are the most interesting.
I don't find your opinion interesting. It's directly opposite to the evidence that Musk talks about the things he cares about without pause.
In fact he cannot keep himself talking about the mission or main point of something repeatedly even after answering technical questions and sometimes instead of answering technical questions with all his companies.
It's not illegal to say brilliant pebbles would be a good idea

>>15724594
Trying not to get in the weeds here, just talking like why it would be attractive to musk. But nukes are really annoying and prevent us from solving problems like north korea, russia invading ukraine, a potential taiwan invasion by china etc. Also "bad" regimes acquiring nuclear power wouldn't be an existential threat. Sure the US could also just invade everyone, but that seems way out of the overton window right now.

>>15724567
Not that anon, but yes, generally.

>>15724595
>AI won't be an extinction event, I'll leave ~10-15% alive with enough intact critical infrastructure to recover in relatively short order.
>I'll leave ~10-15% alive
>I'll

Can you shut the fuck up already faggot

>>15724594
>>you think Musk thinks a global nuclear war is imminent?
Yes, there is a strong possibility of a major war with China sometime during the 21st century. Even if you think this is unlikely, just how unlikely do you feel comfortable with? One in five chance of war is like playing russian roulette with the fate of humanity. Even a relatively small chance of war is suicidal bad odds. We can't afford to take any unnecessary chances with this.

The war is less likely if America stays far ahead in the arms race. Brilliant Pebbles would not be enough to ""win"" a nuclear war, but it might be enough to avoid one in the first place by maintaining America's strategic lead.

Politics is a 100% waste of time - talk upcoming or propsed space infrastucture.

>>15724597
I don't know much about it, but from what I read the problem was cost effectiveness because they can just build more missiles as you launch pebbles. It could be the case that falcon 9 still wasn't cheap enough and starship will be.

>>15724597
>You could use the Falcon 9 to build BP
Yeah, that's exactly what I said. SpaceX successfully developed the capability to launch BP. I believe this is the problem SpaceX was founded to solve.

>>15724613
they wouldn't need to invade anyone if they are the only party with nukes
just vassalize everyone else then prevent them from building a similar system

>>15724607
>I don't find your opinion interesting.
Yeah I can tell, you talk and don't listen.

I myself think elon is actually interested in mars colonization. But I also entertain that he could be intersted in pebbles like he's interested in starlink. It finances spacex and I think it would do the world good by pulling us out of MAD.

>>15724547
He doesn't fear AI as much as he fears the miitarization of AI, because the military will go out of its way to ensure that ethics subroutines are not programmed into the AI; leading to catastrophic outcomes. If not the US, then China or Russia will make the attempt. I mean the plot of the latest mission impossible movie is literally this, where an adversary nation does this thing and it goes rogue. Obviously, that takes great creative liberties relative to the current level of tech, but its not out of the ordinary that an AI implement in theater could do something similar in small scale, and cause massive innocent life loss in process of what should be a highly precision strike--leading to an international incident.

>>15724625
It's also politically impossible for the US to nuke someone that can't even shoot back. You have the last word on the offtopic

>>15724628
How does going to Mars help?

The hell is Greta doing on the front page of SpaceNews

>>15724627
it's just an argument held by a long very thin thread of personal bias.
yes he's interested in making money with starlink no its not "the reason" they built f9 not its not "the motivation" of cc contract or starship development.
additonally elon would be a retard. just put the nuclear bombs on hypersonic planes.

https://www.faa.gov/data_research/commercial_space_data/launches/ we wait

>>15724630
>It's also politically impossible for the US to nuke someone that can't even shoot back.
Nani?

>>15724591
He seems to be doing everything in his power to make it go bust.

>>15724638
I think he means it wouldn't be socially feasible to nuke someone else first.

>>15724628
>ethics subroutines are not programmed into the AI
this not how AI works by the way.
reminder that linkrel is how one of the best applied AI problems is finally on the path to being solved.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=u_XRybdNq2A&pp=ygUGZnNkIDEy

>>15724624
>I believe this is the problem SpaceX was founded to solve.
So why aren't they doing it? If Falcon 9's had BP's launch economy problem solved for over half a decade now and it's 'SpaceX's secret purpose,' why isn't it happening?

SpaceX was founded to develop the capabilities needed to colonize Mars, not to deploy an SDI system. Elon's autistic ass has never exactly been quiet about that.

>>15724624
I wouldn't go that far. You could say griffin put them in business with the contract when all spacex had was the falcon 1 because he wanted to see if spacex could make launch cheap enough for pebbles, and he knew old space was shit. Do you think the trip to russia to put a plant on mars was a ruse? Seems kind of unnecessary.

>>15724634
> Debra Werner is a correspondent for SpaceNews based in San Francisco. Debra earned a bachelor’s degree in communications from the University of California, Berkeley, and a master’s degree in Journalism from Northwestern University.

>>15724635
>additonally elon would be a retard. just put the nuclear bombs on hypersonic planes.
Best point in the thread so far.
Brilliant pebbles is not a solution to anything other than how to clog up LEO with stupid junk

>>15724635
Boost-phase interception could counter boost-glide weapons. But it doesn't counter cruise missiles.

Anyway, the point of any defense system isn't to stop every kind of threat, but rather to stop a specific kind of threat at least some of the time. You can count on some bombs always getting through one way or the other, but if you can intercept even half of the missiles you make any attack twice as costly to the other guy. BP is not the final word in nuclear war, it's just another piece of the puzzle to preventing it.

>>15724649
BP doesn't have political support in Washington.

>>15724635
>additonally elon would be a retard. just put the nuclear bombs on hypersonic planes.
and there it is. You know less than the anon you're complaining about. You don't even know enough to talk about it

>>15724561
>>15724615
>>15724619
>>15724625
>>15724628
>>15724630
>>15724638
>>15724643
>>15724644
>>15724647
This list of posts are all off topic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVcqmz__5oQ
NVS stream is up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej4ZMp4a2xw
JAXA goes live in 99 min, T-130:00

>>15724654
>clog up LEO with stupid junk
That shit decays much faster than than the radio-nuclides which would otherwise be poisoning all life on earth, human or otherwise.

>>15724659
cope harder

>>15724663
windy

>>15724634
>it's real

What the actual fuck?

>>15724658
>BP doesn't have political support in Washington.

You realize you just seeded a biden vs elon argument right?

>>15724679
there is no argument, its a fact

>>15724634
It's not for providing you news about space

>>15724370
It's definitely possible to be none of those and attempt to define your grift as the new normal

self sustaining mars colonization meaningfully diminshes the threat of extinction permanently and sets off a future where the technology stack for self sustenance grows smaller causing even more redundancy elsewhere.
brilliant pebbles would stoke international tension, and accelerate development of atmospheric delivered weapons to the point mutual destruction could again be assured
you do realize there's a lot more coming? biotechnology, nanotechnology is coming.
focusing on missile defense is a losing strategy

>>15724679
I said Washington. It doesn't have support from Congress either. Anyway there's no need for an argument here since nobody here will seriously claim that either Congress or the White House presently supports any SDI program.

>>15724636
holy shit its happening

>whoa guys look at my indomitable ABM swarm!
>I'd like to see a nuclear counter strike wriggle their way through THIS jam!
>*the nuclear counter strike wiggles it's way through the jam easily*
>Ah! Well. never the less,

Brilliant pebbles is a meme. It flies in the face of both orbital mechanics and the laws of force economy.

As the great Frederick The Great once said: 'if you defend everything, you defend nothing'.
Well with brilliant pebbles you are quite literally defending everything.

>>15724677

Is collagefag having another one of his tantrums trying to subvert the thread?

>>15724643
Yup. he should have never brought trump back on. he should be sucking bidens balls and get on gis knees. anything to gain favor of the hand that feeds

>>15724700
>the hand that feeds
Misunderstanding of how companies work.
Is bidenposter BPposter?

>>15724696
>It flies in the face of both orbital mechanics and the laws of force economy.
Not really.

>>15724701
its clearly satire

>>15724701
It's possible that the thread has more than one idiot in it

>>15724696
>whoa guys look at my fleet of SSN fast attack nuclear submarines
>I'd like to see a nuclear strike from SSBN ballistic missile nuclear submarines wriggle their way through THIS jam
>*the nuclear strike wiggles through*
>Ah! Well. never the less
Nevertheless, many billions are spent developing those SSNs, because strategic defense isn't about winning a nuclear war. Strategic defense is about preventing the war in the first place. You don't have to, and can't, fully neutralize a nuclear attack. That's not how this game is played. You develop defenses which make any nuclear strike more costly. That's what THAAD and GMD do, that's what SSNs do, that's what Aegis does and what BP would do.

kowtowing to biden admin irl rn

>>15724708
sad

>>15724695
You almost got me.

>>15724711
>You almost got me.

hhhnnngggggg

>>15724695
WE ARE GOING

>>15724677
early life check on these authors

>>15724707
ABM systems are almost exclusively first strike enablers, they exist to catch stragglers that escape the initial devastating counterforce exchange.
This is the entire reason that the ABM treaty existed, because ironically for 'defensive' weapons they are dangerously escalatory.

They are almost worthless in preventing a first strike themselves except from meme powers like Iran or North Korea that would be committing instant suicide if they fired a weapon.

Will a similar situation happen with the first Crew Starship?

>>15724733
That's extant ABM systems; for GMD only has has a few dozen interceptors. But BP calls for tens of thousands of interceptors in LEO.

>>15724739
No, it definitely won't implode.

ITS OVEEER

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1699545383326695517

>>15724707
seems like a waste of taxpayer money given that since thousands of nukes have existed there has never been a time where their destructive potential including all methods of deployment was sufficiently mitigated.
i dont think elon would concern himself with such stupid zero sum faggotry when there's a positive sum universe out the to colonize

>>15724730
they're women

>>15724739
if they get into such a situation they can simply breach the hull by drilling a hole

>>15724748
By mishap he means the FTS incident? In any case it's over.

>>15724739
Not for leo, but moon missions give me the creeps because of how unlikely rescue is.

>>15724739
I thought they died pretty instantly instead of dying of asphyxiation

>>15724748
>non statement making it sound like they're bottlenecked on spacex
ugh. calling that the license will be granted in a week without any apparent additional mitiagtion

>>15724748
FAA what the fuck man

>>15724748
someone post the faa statement before ift-1 that sounded exactly like this and the date it was made

>>15724748
It's over
No more launches in 2023
Democrats hate Musk

Its over ... Se ya'll in 8 months

>>15724748
>>15724765
I believe an FTS device near the engines would be very effective.

>>15724765
CONTINUATION :

"My read on this statement is that Starship's launch is now likely to occur no earlier than the last 10 days of the month. Still plenty of work to do."

I wonder if Berger and or Everyday astronaut have Elon's number

>>15724769
2024 then...

>>15724744
99% of those Interceptors would be in the wrong place to perform a boost phase Interception.

>>15724769
so two weeks? the 21th is exactly 10 days from the end of the month and exactly 14 days from now

It's like a whole world is against us

>>15724748
I'd love to see what the FAA is doing to investigate the FTS issue. By default it would have been designed to destroy the rocket immediately and seal the valves leading to the engines to cease propulsion. This not only did not happen but the rocket completed a flip at some mach number and survived

>>15724748
A boilerplate nonstatement by the FAA in response to being asked.

>>15724776
And?

>>15724777
>2 weeks

its ironic huh

>>15724749
>since thousands of nukes have existed there has never been a time where their destructive potential including all methods of deployment was sufficiently mitigated.
The deployment of nukes has been SUFFICIENTLY mitigated ever since the 1940s. Sufficient mitigation is whatever level of mitigation is necessary to prevent their use. Not to stop them if they were used, but to prevent them from being used in the first place.

No mitigation will stop all of them from finding their mark in the event they are used. It is their use that is being mitigated.

>>15724748
Blatant politically motivated obstruction.

>>15724779
>the rocket completed a flip at some mach number and survived
The FAA should be giving rewards to SpaceX for being awesome.

>>15724783
What's the best way I as an individual can mitigate being fuckin nuked?

>>15724776
That's why you have tens of thousands of them.

>>15724783
>The deployment of nukes has been SUFFICIENTLY mitigated ever since the 1940s. Sufficient mitigation is whatever level of mitigation is necessary to prevent their use
>Not to stop them if they were used
not what I meant by sufficient mitigation. that's clear by how i said their "destructive potential [...] sufficiently mitigated"
what you're describing instead is in fact a stupid zero sum game that's not a replacement for colonizing space ASAP

>>15724748
>Still plenty of work to do.
you like saying that don't you burgerboy

>>15724788
lmao this

>>15724789
by living in the middle of nowhere far away from military targets, large population centers and generally away from other people
better yet, choose some bumfuck nowhere country as well
however after a large nuclear exchange takes place your largest problem will become food and how to self sustain, then how to stop roving bandits from raiding you or taking your place over, perhaps that can be mitigated by living in a remote place too but you would then need a way to survive there

>>15724789
Democrats say the best mitigation is voting for them.
Republicans say the best mitigation is voting for them.

Probably move to South America or something. Or just trust the government to continue it's track record of not getting into WW3.

>>15724748
Just have the space force roll in one of these bad boys

>>15724698
Yeah we told him that his articles were shit and now he's losing it

>>15724793
Sufficient mitigation is preventing WW3. Preventing the war is the objective not winning it. Winning it would be impossible.

>>15724803
Additionally

>>15724807
I liked the inclusion of these puppies in Red Storm Rising.

>>15724801
Yeah I was thinking some remote Croatian mountains

>>15724806
>Winning it would be impossible.
Until we make it possible.

>>15724781
A force ratio advantage to the attacker of 100-1 is not economical.

That's before even getting into countermeasures like early warhead separation, high TWR ICBMs, depressed trajectories, HGVs and the jamming or destruction of the Interceptors and their enablers themselves.

The crux of the issue is that the defender needs to spread themselves stupidly thin, whereas the attacker only needs to defeat the defense locally.

>>15724801
Remember that the Russians are using Soviet maps from the 80s when you're choosing your location

>>15724615
I have been fairly straightforward with my intentions

>>15724677
actual witches have returned

>>15724811
There are too many other sneaky ways to deliver nuclear warheads. Ballistic missile defense discourages nuclear war, but it can't make a nuclear strike impossible.

Platonic hydrocarbon/ozone rocket engines

>>15724663
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRQHFtk9r7c
NVS stream died. New one's coming up in a few minutes.

>>15724663
JAXA stream in 30 minutes, launch in about 1h

>>15724801
>how to stop roving bandits from raiding you or taking your place over, perhaps that can be mitigated by living in a remote place too but you would then need a way to survive there
The roving bandits will soon make way to local warlords. You won't be able to protect yourself from the local warlord unless you ARE the local warlord. Plan accordingly.

>>15724829
Liquid ozone is objectively the most beautiful propellant.

Yeah I’m thinking they should just go with thermal blankets. Shit looks retarded when it’s simply painted by carlos and josé

>>15724848
Loving the new shuttle aesthetic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm8wRjD3xVA

Tower on the move

>>15724848
Shuttlesisters, we never left

>>15724848
It's a mockup, smartass.

>>15724855
Is this the first SLC-40 segment? I haven't been keeping track of that

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1182484550292779015

>FAA launch license to be granted tomorrow, flight on Friday or Saturday. Starship is ready to go!

Two ridiculous moments that live rent free in my head:
>SLS green run, first attempt. Everyone in launch control was super giddy and chatty and some guy had to get on the mic and tell everyone to shut the fuck up and sit down
>Starship spin prime? WDR? I dunno, but Starship vented and they installed a tile over the fucking vent port and it blew the tile into a million pieces

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWuOxTIQQmM
could this be used to send ships to orbit?

>>15724863
forgot pic

>>15724859
why are they painting the mockup

>>15724863
i want to lick it

>>15724863
WOOOOOAH have we seen these photos before?? Elon is also talking about the new OLM upgrades but idk what some of his abbreviations mean

>>15724873
It's important for things to look good.

>>15724863
>Eh, the dino's can wait. #furry #furryart #yiff #Krystal #starfox #nsfw #ass #pussy #FOX

What did Elon Musk mean by this?

>>15724863
We gaan

>>15724508
they (I don't even know how many anons it is in total but I wasn't in the chain until this post.) are all calling you a retard because you're being a fucking retard. as far as I can gather your chain of thought is
>musk concerned with WWIII/AI/other EoW scenarios
true
>therefore: xAI is purely defensive to prevent rampant AI situation, elon has NO interest in profit or practical application
>starship is only and completely exclusively 100% being developed for the sole purpose of military use to prevent nuclear exchange
???
4chan donesn't allow enough characters for me to debunk your faggotniggerretard ass in one post, but you're wrong. starship is for Mars, any military ability is purely coincidental JUST LIKE LUNAR HLS IS. or are you so faggotniggerretarded that you think musk also developed starship exclusively to land humans on the moon and for no other reason at all? is he just lying about mars entirely? what about starlink huh is that some kind of conspiracy theory now?

>>15724883
kek

>>15724883
Mate all of this has already been discussed to death, just scroll down and read the ensuing arguments from both sides instead of trying to kick it off again. If you have any additional thoughts at the end of that, then address your remarks to the tail end of that discussion, not the start of it.

>>15724491
nuclear weapons aren't an existential threat

>>15724871
I love how reptilian the tiles make it look. Pity they didn't reserve the dragon name for this.

>>15724863
It's going to work bros
>>15724894
Based reply

>>15724663
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej4ZMp4a2xw

stream started, only sound now though

>>15724909
> Launch time: 8:42:11 a.m. JST on Sept. 7 (7:42:11 p.m. EDT on Sept. 6, 2342:11 UTC)
>Launch site: Launch Pad 1, Tanegashima Space Center, Japan

A Japanese H-2A rocket, designated H-2A F47, will launch the X-Ray Imaging and Spectroscopy Mission, or XRISM, a joint project between the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency and NASA. XRISM is a replacement for the Hitomi X-ray astrophysics observatory, which failed about one month after launch in 2016. XRISM will perform high-resolution X-ray spectroscopic observations of the hot gas plasma wind that blows through the galaxies in the universe. These observations will enable us to determine flows of mass and energy, revealing the composition and evolution of celestial objects. JAXA’s Smart Lander for Investigating Moon, or SLIM, mission will fly as a rideshare on this launch, heading to the moon to test precision landing technology. The H-2A rocket will fly in the 202 configuration with two strap-on solid rocket boosters. Delayed from 2nd Quarter after H3 launch failure. Delayed from Aug. 27 and 28.

https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziwlP11qtHA
Clear live

>The article gives an overview of rocket fuel existing oxidants, their technical properties and their specific impulse with kerosene. Compounds of super peroxides (superoxides) as oxidizing agents with higher specific characteristics are proposed. It is calculated that the specific impulse of O4 compound with kerosene can be about 4500 m/s, i.e. 30% more than with liquid oxygen, and the launch mass of the rocket can be halved. It is concluded that O4 is promising as an oxidizer of rocket fuel. It is described: the principal possibilities of O4 electrochemical production, methods for stabilizing of O4 chemical compounds at normal temperature, the stages of O4 possible industrial production. It is given the possible cost of O4 in the production of 300 tons per year.
https://medcraveonline.com/AAOAJ/prospects-for-use-of-o4-as-rocket-fuel-oxidizer.html

>>15724806
>WW3. Preventing the war is the objective not winning
I don't care and neither do I suspect Elon does. We must go to mars as soon as possible to assure continuation of our species.
This will be a first step to reaching for the stars.
It is necessary because as technology advances the power to destroy a one planet civilization is depreciated and miniaturized.

Clear is really high pitched even for a JP vchuuba

>>15724928
Because she's an authentic female

>>15724931
autistic female*

>>15724920
Whats the downside? Hard to procure? Hard to make? Hard to contain?

What is the rabbit in the hat?

>>15724931
Yeah I know

>>15724932
For sure

>>15724928
Because it's a man with a cheap synthesizer

>>15724936
You wish, watch more VTubers and you'll see how retarded that belief is

how hard will clear cry this time when the rocket explodes?
during the H-3 maiden test flight she cried for like 10 minutes lmao

>>15724928
her excitement is contagious. Especially for this launch and those cute little rolling rovers.

>>15724937
I have never watched and never will.

>>15724873
politicians are retards and need visuals to understand

>>15724943
The little mini rovers are cool because they're hedging their bets

The Indians went all or nothing on their soft landing, but the Japanese are going to eject two hard landing rovers before trying to soft land

>>15724943
>her excitement is contagious
For real!

>>15724945
Then you have no idea what you're talking about.

>>15724957
OK, I opened the stream and she does sound like a woman.

>>15724964
Wait till you hear her sing

>>15724883
Open question: if starship wasn't designed for the moon or Mars at all, and it's only for low altitude satellites like starlink or pebbles or starshield etc, what would be different about it?

>https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1699446868885877095
>Many funny details on Raptor. The special metal alloy SpaceX created for the rocket nozzles turns green, so we painted Hulk on the first one.
Neat, I thought they were painted green, not that the alloy itself did that.
BRB, need to go run past starbase security with a colorimeter so I can get a color code off a nozzle and start painting stuff Raptor Green.

>>15724979
It would look like falcon heavy because it would just be falcon heavy
>pebbles
Shut up

>>15724979
The second stage would likely be expendable with a clamshell fairing, with a reusable version in the works on the side.

>>15724983
It'd be interesting to see what kind of performance an upgraded Falcon 9 could get with Merlin-sized FFSC engines.

9 minutes to launch

>>15724981
It's just a copper alloy with oxide straight from sintering. if you gave it a sanding it would look like copper

>>15724979
probably smaller

>>15724996
can't even get 3k viewers lol

https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-starship-ready-to-launch-again-after-explosion-elon-musk-2023-9

I love how they have to make a negative title no matter what, their hate is palpable

>>15724990
Raptor was originally designed as a Falcon upper stage so it would be that. FH/Raptor with extended fairing

>>15724983
They don't even use that for starlink right now retard

>>15724999
they're split 60/40 with clear