/sci/ - Science & Math

Second for the Space Transportation System (STS)

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2023/09/lm-nasa-orion-artemis-iii-iv/

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1698230163157201078

>>15715659
To paraphrase Starship Troopers, they're afraid. 2025 is the next administration. They know an Augustine Commission is coming. NASA won't be able to defend the cost of SLS / Orion next to Falcon Heavy / Dragon, or Starship in general. If a Starship comes in for anything less than a billion dollars a launch heads are going to roll.

https://twitter.com/Rainmaker1973/status/1698016340655653342

>>15715695
this gets posted every 6 months

>>15715701
first time I've seen it from that account, but makes sense I guess
the characterization as "favourite" is a bit misleading too

>>15715713
I should add, not first time I'm seeing the concept, just first time I'm seeing it from that account

>>15715656

>>15715764
Do they still have those mcflurries?

>>15715764
I'm hungry for a big slopburger with extra GMO chlorine chicken and a corn syrup shake.

>>15715770
They can put a man on the moon but they can't fix the damn ice cream machine

>>15715659
>NET December 2025
It's like when stores sell stuff as $#9.99

>>15715764
Enjoy disease and pestilence for 2.99$

>>15715764
double quarter pounder with cheese, ketchup and pickles only, large fry, large sprite

look at this kino

>>15715656
DELETE THIS TRANNY YWNBAW DILATE REDDIT MARVEL ZOG GOYSLOP HUNTER BIDEN Z

>>15715813
falcon 9 launch?

>>15715695
>mars and belters blast it with emf
Nothhing personnel

>>15715845
Funny thing about SETI...
The signal analysis is so abstract that you could blast caramelldansen and while it would automatically get recognized as intelligent signal, it would take considerable human operator effort/analysis to realize they've been trolled.

Crew-6 undocking soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz6qdzVCN9g

Any optical nerds here? Can we get resolution better than this from space?

>>15715913
That resolution is already impossible. It's from a drone, not satellite.

>>15715913
probably, the photo trump posted in 2019 of the failed iranian launch was taken by USA 224 which was estimated to be a resolution of about 10cm.

That sat was on the order of billions of dollars to produce and launch, so if you have a) billions to waste and b) a license from NOAA of all people to actually put a camera into space, you could get something similar or better with today's tech

The academic retardation of the space race needs to stop.

>>15715925
>NOAA
who gave them them power to have jurisdiction over this
feels like another bullshit federal agency making illegal laws

>>15715951
They don't. You just can't publish the images

>>15715955
>You just can't publish the images
violates 1st amendment

>>15715951
can't have you posting pictures of military bases that everyone has seen on the internet now, can we

>>15715959
no one has privacy in public
space is public
should have installed a roof and a fence

>>15715961
Someone should get this to SCOTUS. And then we get the right to stand our ground against satellites.

>>15715988
i think the founding fathers would have wanted us to have space guns

>>15715695
I'd love to see more DARPA/NASAs concepts that were never implemented.

>>15715951
The NRO did

>>15715695
another super expensive oldspace project. you could probably build 50 1km radio telescopes on Earth for the price of this

>>15715993
Throwing rocks at bankers from the moon is constitutionally protected conduct

>>15715951
I want random startups with webcams in space to publish pictures of military bases

>>15716030
I remember there was a startup that sent/was planning to send a smallsat with a camera for taking pictures of Earth but then they got buttfucked by NOAA.

>>15715955
Oh yeah? What if I do anyway?

>>15716052
>Oh yeah? What if I do anyway?

>>15716057
no step

>>15715913
AI superresolution upscaling can be done to improve it

Fascinated by this photo on the Callisto wikipedia page and the thought of being so absolutely asininely far from earth that it makes a mars colony look close by comparison

>>15716074
Total crater saturation

>>15716071
yeah I just love making shit up to fill in the gaps

>>15716085
"dark matter"

>>15716085
You may not like it, but its of great importance to military and commercial enterprise.

AI upscaling is hot new thing

>>15716085
>making shit up to fill in the gaps
Literally nothing wrong with Bayesian analysis.

>>15715913
If you build a mirror big enough

>>15716090
Flyby anomaly
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flyby_anomaly

>>15716104
the atmosphere gets in the way at a certain point

>>15716110
then remove the atmosphere

>>15716074
>callisto... home

>>15716110
hmm I know ground based telescopes use lasers to create a artificial point source in the sky for their adaptive optics to do atmospheric correction.
wonder if it can work the other way where a space telescope shines a laser down to the earth.

>>15716154
just skip the middleman and build a space based solar power station (giant death laser)

>>15716143
>weird freaky ice planet
>home

>>15716160
>orbital habitat at L2
>home

>>15716164
earth luna or earth sol L2

>>15716160
>weird freaky ice planet
but enough about canada

>>15716166
Without a window would it even matter

>>15715913
Not a surprise. Far and away the most impressive space agency in the world is the NRO. Look up KH-9 Hexagon. They had this shit in the 70s.

>crew 6 undocking came and went with 2 (two) posts about it

>>15716074
>In December 2003, NASA reported that a crewed mission to Callisto might be possible in the 2040s.
Dawg... is this faith of the heart, or pure delusion

>>15715647
Anybody know how much physical space each moon/mars colonist will need? How much food do they need each year?

>>15715695
>>15715997
Alright /sfg/ you can fund ONE (1) mission from the 2023 list of NIAC programs. What do you choose?
https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/spacetech/niac/2023/

>>15716206
The pellet-beam propulsion thing looks cool but alas I am a slut for kino hardware so I'm going with the TitanAir

>>15716085
Yeah, if you're just making shit up it doesn't make much sense, but it's reasonable to try combining multiple images of the scene from several satellites and times, especially if it's possible to create multiple versions of the "filled in" data and score them for credibility.

>>15716198
>Anybody know how much [...] food do they need each year?
The guys who keep inventory for nuclear submarines or the ISS, although I get two conflicting figures after searching.

>>15716198
Colonists will be predominantly petite East Asian females to minimize food and space requirements.

does anyone know what model this is? I found it for $10 but I can't reverse search the image to find the exact model

>>15716219
Honorable mention to the Aerogel Core Fission Fragment Rocket Engine, I want to read more on that. And of course the Accessing Icy World Oceans proposal. I think we will get a fully-funded ice melting mission one day soon though regardless so I didn't go with that. But lol at this sentance
>Upon reaching the ocean, the probe may encounter extraterrestrial life forms that attempt to metabolize the probe.
It's cool to think this is technically something worth considering. But it also feels like a "canals on Mars" thing where we will one day explore every icy moon subsurface and find they are all just barren rocks.

>>15716197
It's delusion. NASA can't even get serious about a Mars mission. There's no way they'd ever be seriously talking about sending crew to the outer planets.

>>15716206
https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/spacetech/niac/2023/RadioisotopeElectric_Propulsion_System/
I'd go for this thing, I would really like an extrasolar object rendezvous mission and we need to map out where the things are first.

>>15716228
Not the exact model but meade did a bunch of silver anniversary scopes in the late 90s, so it's likely 20+ years old

>>15715647
whats the grass and palmtree area they are working in the top left

>>15716248
>20+ years old
I have no experience with telescopes, is that really bad or should it still be usable?

>>15716263
Unfortunately glass oxidizes rapidly. The lenses are probably long gone by now.

>>15715951
NOAA is actually ending most of their rules. They recently unrestricted Synthetic Aperture Radar sats.

>>15716263
It depends, I still have a small refactor scope my dad got me at 7 and it's in near-new condition. What are your intentions? I'm guessing this is for astrophotography given the motor drive and no visible eyepieces in the pic?

>>15716206
Luv me bimodal nuclear roggets.
>1400-2000s Isp out of solid core NTP
>lower weight for the electrical generation cycle
That kind of performance puts manned outer system missions on the table.

https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/spacetech/niac/2023/New_Class_of_Bimodal/

>>15716198
depends on diet, colony size, comfort, how much self-reliance you aim for etc.
you need roughly 1 kg of food and other basic necessities per day per person (assuming your recycle water)
in theory you can supply about 300 colonists with just a single annual 150t delivery

with state of the art aquaponics, you can go as low as 30m^3 per person by growing super dwarf wheat in racks
if you tap-off sabatier reactors, subsist on synthetic margarine and glycerol as sweetener, grow bacterial sludge for protein, throw in bunch of supplement as pills, you don't need much space at all to survive

>>15715649
>using Le jew face on /sci/
Leave

elon's fav rocket

>>15715695
How scientifically valuable would these really be?
Would slapping a bunch of these on the far side of the Moon be a worthwhile investment?

>>15716206
NIAC is so disappointing
>fund initial tech dev
>reaches a level where a tech demo mission is the only next logical step
>doesn't fund that

And that's how plasma magnet sail research has stagnated to this day

>>15716343
Hot staging!

Did it work everytime for this rocket?

>>15716346
Far side of the moon blocks out all human RF interference. Even isolated groundside radio telescopes have to deal with ionosphere bounce.

>>15715958
>violates 1st amendment
National security state organs don't have to abide by the constitution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_secret

>>15716206
Speaking of NIAC check this out

https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/spacetech/niac/2022/

PHASE III

Amber Dubill
Diffractive Solar Sailing
Johns Hopkins University/Applied Physics Laboratory
Laurel, MD 20723-0001
2022 Phase III

https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/spacetech/niac/2022/diffractive_solar_sailing/

First ever NIAC Phase III awarded last year

Any good european space advocacy groups?

>>15716281
Pog

>>15716206
What in the name of-

>>15716388
Korean style turbofans.

>>15716281
By the time the DARPA DRACO thruster is up and running this wave rotor design might be feasibly studied enough to implement it, imagine finishing the first ever NTR thruster and then immediately having a 100x greater performance upgrade ready to implement for it

>>15716392
>The aircraft's solid state propulsion uses electroaerodynamic thrust. The basic principle is to ionize air and then use electric fields to create ion acceleration without any moving surfaces.
I'm surprised an ion thruster could outpower air currents on earth to be honest, korean-style indeed

>>15716358
Not even close. Six of the Zenit's ten failures were due to a second stage issue.

>>15716411
They could even add a LOX injection mode to revive the old Triton concept. Ice based ISRU for NTP favors LANTR for breaking orbit with more Oberth gains.

>>15716385
>unironically using twitchtard language
gb2r

>>15716426
Ah

No pressure for Starship then.....

>>15716388
It just works.

>>15716433
>LANTR
I love it beyond reason

>>15716266
huh? do you mean the coating oxidizes? I've got a celestron c80 from the 90s or earlier, and I could see at least 4 of the saturnian moons with it just last week

Tory is back with his high energy retardation

>>15716479
tory once again fails to understand that nitpicking orbits means NOTHING when you hav 1/100 the launch cost

>>15716491
b-but everything must be launched at once!

https://twitter.com/FakeMartyr/status/1698174815264284783

lmao look at them seething commies

>>15716511
stop posting literally who bait X posts please.

>>15716511
Enjoy your vacation faggot

>>15716421
You can actually get usable thruster out of it
https://youtu.be/mnCmvxt2jn8

>>15716523
But how about "jet"packs?

What a fucking track

>>15716479
>still not understanding what orbital refilling means
>still not understanding what a 10x cheaper orbital refilling LEO rocket would do to your hydrocuck high energy vehicle
>still not considering if such a 10x cheaper rocket might just be possible

>>15716523
Enough thrust for powered flight in earth's atmosphere however?

>>15716479
Lmao he's scared of losing his 60%

I LOVE WOMEN

>>15716479
https://twitter.com/torybruno/status/1698068736316739997
>Our goals are centered on our customers’ needs. If future customer needs demand an additional vehicle more optimized for low energy orbits, which comes at the expense of high energy orbit performance, then we will develop one and implement the reuse technique that is most appropriate for that architecture.

>>15716353
That's classic blue sky R&D though
They want you to prove it works, then someone else has to make a judgement call based on your extrapolations if it's possible to make it work in useful scales
It's why you hear about impressive experiment results in the media every once in a while but they never hit production

>>15716608
Does he even believe his own shit?

>>15716608
Should add Heavy-Lift vehicle - Atlas V to this picture.

>>15716613
Shouldn't be that way

>>15716608
All I'm hearing is "we have shitty long-duration upper stage options and don't want to R&D another after ACES got killed"

>>15716615
No, but Boeing and Lockheed don't pay him to talk about what he believes. It's important to remember that ULA isn't anything like an independent company.

https://twitter.com/RussianSpaceWeb/status/1698341669962232197
Nobody noticed but in his new school year address last week, Roskosmos head Borisov confirmed that Russia would separate its segment from the #ISS prior to its deorbiting circa 2030, letting NASA to deal with the rest of the outpost: https://russianspaceweb.com/iss_russia.html

Can theye ven do that?

>>15715859
>visiting the ISS
Imagine the smell.

>>15716638
No. Half of the Russian segment is owned by the United States and the two segments were never designed to be unbolted anyway. Unless they want to pause their cosmonaut program until ROS is operational Russia is committed to the ISS. The only saving grace they have is that ROS should be able to come online shortly before the ISS is due to take its big swan dive into Point Nemo.

>>15716638
i mean they have their own propulsion modules so that wouldn't be a problem. powering the station without the solar array would probably be an issue though

>>15716608
You need to give the customers what they dont know they want, Tory

>>15716479
I love the huge Vulcan next to puny Starship
They outdone themselves once more with off-scale side by side rockets

>>15716605
This anon ain't gay no more! He's been delivert

>>15716605
https://youtu.be/YP4rpogDsiY

>>15716694
HALLELUYAH

What ever happened to PROCSIMA? Is anyone still actively working on it?
Did the spooks memory-hole it like they did with MARAUDER?

>>15716074
>make Callisto render
>don't even put Jupiter and the other moons in the background

>>15716479

What is this glass house stuff?

>>15716745
The media memed a rumor that he was going to build a glass house using Tesla company funds, just so the government could go on a fishing expedition into his finances

ok now we know why Luna 25 failed. All the budget went towards this!

>>15716751
Is that the one with the colorful NATO reporting name of Satan or no

>>15716753
Satan II yeah

>>15716608
I honestly hope New Glenn becomes real, partially because competition is good for the industry, and partially because the idea of Amazon owning a rocker launch company is humorous.

NSF is going on right now, sounds like some debate that would be here.

>>15716469
Sorry, I was just shitposting. I found the suggestion that a telescope would somehow disintegrate humorous.

>>15716225
Would help with getting a ballpark idea but the colonists will need to do stuff like expand the colony, run industry, do logistics and have areas for science and research. They'll need way more than the space the average submariner has.

Also the colonists will in most cases not have the same mental hardiness that soldiers have so they'll need more physical space and alone rooms to "cool off" from interpersonal interactions.


>>15716296
>with state of the art aquaponics, you can go as low as 30m^3 per person by growing super dwarf wheat in racks
>if you tap-off sabatier reactors, subsist on synthetic margarine and glycerol as sweetener, grow bacterial sludge for protein, throw in bunch of supplement as pills, you don't need much space at all to survive
Interesting but I don't think we can go that cheap. The first 100k-300k colonists must be convinced to go to space to establish the colonies/bases and if all the food they'll ever have will be bread and protein slime I don't we'll get many volunteers.

We'll need to have space for actual farms with cattle animals to get beef and eggs. Aquaponics will be used for plant-based food so that can lower total space needed compared to regular farming.

>>15716479
>>15716608
I always knew he was a snake-tongued liar, but I could previously ignore that in favor of appreciating ULA being the cornerstone of american spaceflight until roughly 2016

but lately I just outright hate him for the ancient and treacherous sack of shit that he is. I hope vulcan fucking explodes on the pad and delays the next launch to 2025

>YouTube streams for Crew 6 splashdown and Starlink 6-12 webcasts have been removed and will now be streamed on X.
Elon you bastard

>>15716751
Is that the russian wunderwaffe hypersonic rocket that got shot down by a rocket based on 30 year old tech from the US?

>>15716805
Wait what

>>15716811
I meant SpaceX streams. We have Starlink launch in a few hourse and it's not scheduled on youtube anymore.

>>15716250
That's where they had the satellite phone service announcement

>>15716814
oh no fucking way they fucking wouldn't

>>15716817
>A live webcast of this mission will begin on X @SpaceX about five minutes prior to liftoff.

https://www.spacex.com/launches/mission/?missionId=sl-6-12

https://youtu.be/1mchMLWKvqc

>no more YouTube spacex streams
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

but x isn't at parity with yt yet. you can't like view a x account's videos a la yt channel. wtf

>>15716833
still not seeing where they're aying this

>IFT-2 stream only on X

>>15716843
no fucking way I wont allow it

>>15716843
revolt
cancel mars

>>15716838
Buy X Premium

Meteorite excavators when?

I'm not making a twitter not now not ever

>>15716817
Hope anyone didn't think that stopping using Flickr was the end of it.

>>15716843
It's so fucking Joever.

>>15716857
fucking hate elon

>>15716857
Fuck, the last post on flickr is from April.

>>15716833
https://twitter.com/TLPN_Official/status/1698417494443360517

B A S E D O N X

>>15716855
>using the third world to catch celestial bodies
gigabased

one day I will take a flight in an airplane to visit minor planets

>>15715813
Higher res.

>>15716198
live in the space pod
eat the space bugs
be happy

>>15716266
bro you understand that glass is made out of fracking sand, right
which is silicon that's been burned

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1698293160580145382

Dragon thrusters

>>15716874
are space bugs good? I'm ok with eating some bugs. sea bugs are fine, it's just the land bugs I don't want to eat. I could be convinced to eat space bugs if they look tasty enough

>>15716891
Spacebugs will be seabugs grown in saltwater tanks.

>>15716833
At least NASA will have its dumpy 720p feed on YT...
I wonder if Elon will get mad at paypiggy streamers for showing clips of the official stream on YT

>>15716925
>At least NASA will have its dumpy 720p feed on YT...
Yeah but we won't have that for IFT-2...

>>15716380
None, Europe does pretty much nothing regarding space travel

>>15716857
>Hope anyone didn't think that stopping using Flickr was the end of it.
NO FUCKING WAY IS THAT THE REASON

The ISRO countdown lady passed away from a heart attack this morning

>>15716935
muh X everything app autism

>>15716928
Wasn't IFT-1 near million live viewers? I doubt X can handle that at 2K without crapping the bed. Waiting for a pleasant surprise.

>Also links to all social media networks deleted from the SpaceX website menu.

>>15716942
Honestly if he made twitter usable i wouldnt mind. but it's a total clusterfuck app right now, and streaming quality is total shit. wtf is he thinking

what a fucking autist
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1698426285658128457

>>15716942
It's a piece of shit like this. I keep having shitcoin ads or some random indian promoting themselves. Plus, watching the videos on it fucking sucks, it's not made for having the same easy archive.

>>15716951
I second this. I fucking hate google and youtube—in principal—but there’s no denying that it’s the standard for a reason. Twitter is dogshit. Musk can’t decide if he wants it to be an instagram clone, a flickr clone, a reddit clone, a youtube clone, etc. and he’s so autistic about flip flopping on random features that he can’t even find the time to get core features down. Besides the rampant left-wingedness before he acquired it, it was perfect for what it needed to be. And that was, being “twitter.” Aka it’s own thing with its own niche

>>15716537
what is this

>>15716803
Just send vegans, they pretty much only eat bread and paste

>>15716969
Crew-6 reentry track

>>15716958
He can’t even implement short form video. I actually like youtube shorts and instagram reels (I’m probably alone on this) but anytime you try to scroll through random videos on twitter it just freezes up after like ten videos. And playback quality is dogshit

>>15716805
Maximum dogfooding, you love to see it

If the streaming experience on X sucks, they're going to fix it

>>15716978
i cant even listen to twitter videos in the browser while alt tabbed because eventually it will just stop playback. spaces do this to me too.

>>15716206
DICER sounds tempting to me

>>15716437
I've agreed with Elon on many things but this is unacceptable.
https://twitter.com/clearusui/status/1698429551196717209

>>15717003
OWARI DA

>>15716977
nice

>>15717003
I will never forgive Elon for this. I will not. For making Clear cry? I will not ever fucking forgive

>>15716965
He wants it to be the everything app but he doesn't realise that you can't just throw shit together randomly and hope it all works.

ahahahahaha you fucks said the twitter purchase wouldn't effect SpaceX. A youtube channel with 15 years of content and billions of views dead because elon's twitter toy is dying.

>>15716867
This is so fucking retarded, how are the musk lovers gonna spin this as some sort of genius move?

>>15717003
X > Y

>>15717027
Elon Derangement Syndrome is bad sure, but Elon Dick Sucking is just as bad.

>>15717027
Trust the plan, anon. He knows what he's doing

>>15717031
>>15717027
>streaming on X is bad because uhh its bad okkayyy

>>15716955
When we people understand that elon isn't some polymath genius and is just a decent business man that likes shitposting?

>Funneling 42 billion dollars from mars to internet shitposting
>no one cares

>Moves streaming platforms
>End of the world, betrayal of the highest order

/sfg/ is a fickle thing.

>>15717038
Its just that same dumb retard always bitching about SpaceX/Musk.

>>15717030
Get out of here feminist.

>>15717027
we must starve jewgle. the only way we can advance in the X era is to kill our existing addictions. this is hard i know, but through adversity we will prevail, even more golden and triumphant than you can ever imagine

>>15717042
No, twitter's streaming is fucking awful compared to youtube. Only mute audio option, no rewind, laggy and slow, need an account.

>>15717038
im more pissed at flickr desu. the streams are played out

>>15717048
Not to mention a semi decent archival and search.

>>15717048
>its awful
>its missing one rewind feature on livestream
Okay, so its fine, just missing the rewind buffer access to livestream

Never had issues with "lagginess" of video or the "slowness".

>>15717053
The rewind is a huge deal, you're a retard if you think it doesn't matter. This move is going to be a great way to tell elon dick suckers from real space fans.

>>15717057
The livestreams are 10-30 mins long. How is it a "huge deal"? LMAO

Nigga just wait it out if you need the rewind button.

>>15717024
>elon's twitter toy is dying
two more weeks

>>15717038

https://twitter.com/hakki_alkan/status/1698364487135383622

Starlink demoing @ IFA 2023

What annoys me is there's no Twitter tv app so if I have a chance to watch it with family and friends at best we would be watching phones. I guess I need to fuck with screencast even though I've never needed it.

>>15717061
Why should I take a downgrade in user experience just so elon can dog food his own product? I won't watch any livestream now because I've never made a twitter account and never will.

>>15717078
WIP afaik.

>>15717079
>I've never made a twitter account and never will.
based

>>15717079
>Why should I
You shouldn't. It's fine if you don't

>>15717038
Don't put words in my mouth, I hated the Xwitter saga since the very beginning

>>15717078
Can I even watch the stream on 4k on twitter?
I was so fucking ready to watch IFT-2 on the new 4k TV here at home and he fucks ups like this.
I FUCKING HATE THIS AUTIST

>>15717091
1080p is the max afaik

>>15717074
pretty lady

>>15717092

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1698427167065997542

>>15717057
I'm curious what folks like estronaut will think. Most other space reporting has turned on Elon, but Estro has been dickriding Elon's every change on Twitter.

>>15717110
he will be proven wrong by competition. someone will step up and prevent them from becoming 99%

>>15717031
>Dick Sucking
>>15717057
>dick suckers
>>15717117
>dickriding

>>15717124
>t. all of the above

>>15716887

>>15717124
>EDS syndrome with homosexual projections

>>15717119
>by competition
whomst?

>>15717133
idk maybe relativity or stoke or smth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv_OmnO5y3E

> People tend to focus on the technical difficulty of building an orbital rocket, but even if you achieve that you need to be able to sell launches to customers to be successful.

>>15717134
They want to bring cost down to under 10M per launch? LMAO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djAw4q7LUFs

>>15717142

>>15717141
All the companies want to except Peter Beck.

>>15717147

>>15717150

>>15717153
very quick removal of the debris from the old tents and midbay

>>15717157
>removal of the debris
>the debris is still there

Why did Elon start becoming retarded after 2019?

>>15717159
most of the debris

>>15717157

>>15717166
concrete perimeter wall being built

>>15717165
no pussy

>>15717168
excavation being performed on the fondag layer

>>15717165
rightwing mind virus

Does anyone on /sfg/ actually support the X-only thing with streaming?

>>15717165
He was going slowly downhill for a while (see: pedo cave diver incident), but rising fame and stock prices around then made him lose his grip entirely.

>>15716479
does this nigga not understand the concept of a space tug?

>>15717178
I would if streaming on X was of higher quality.

>>15717181
Why the fuck did he go all in with MUH CONSPIRACY shit? Elon staying apolitical was the right way to go

>>15717188
that was impossible, also he is centrist

>>15717188
What conspiracy?

>>15717188
>everything I don't like is conspiracy theories!
shut the fuck up

>>15717199
>>15717197
>>15717193
Do you believe Elon’s recent activities will help or harm SpaceX?

>>15717200
As long as their payloads end up in the right orbits for the right price it wont do shit

>>15717200
Can you list said activities?

>>15716805
annoying in the short term but I have no doubt the streams/videos on X will become on par with youtube soon
probably surpass them in a number of months or years

>>15717178
only the muskrats

>>15716843
A great way to force people to come on X, this is something Musk would do
the companies are basically helping each other, SpaceX by bringing more attention to streaming features on X and X by allowing retarded government overreach to be discussed so SpaceX is able to do what it needs to do

>>15717027
its an obvious move, not genius
you are a retard

>>15717178
Yes, but X still needs more robust video features. However the core fundamentals of livestream are there, so its a non-issue for 99% of viewers.

>Archival to search user uploaded videos
>4K support (for premium users)
>rewind to access the buffer range
>better organized chat for livestream
They need these to improve upon the functionality for sure.

>>15716943
puts some fire under the X employees feet

>>15716941
source?

>>15717221
Does Chitter still have any in-house competence?

>>15717200
yeah
he should avoid getting bad blood with politicians in general

>>15716943
Livestream is a non issue, its just a broadcast bandwidth issue.

Federated multiplex spaces is a scaling problem with old code, that was fixed long ago.

>>15717042
this

>>15717227
SpaceX was already underfire back in early 2020 because Musk didn't shutdown his Tesla factory indefinitely. They had already reduced the workload for covid ~2 months, then another 1 month of shutdown. Finally, Musk wasn't getting any response on when the factory would re-open again. So he went to the factory to keep it open.

He dared to question the "narrative" because he didn't want to sacrifice Tesla to the woke politicians. Then they went after SpaceX/Starlink work in California.

The message was well received.

>>15716875
Yeah, you might want to try reading the thread before replying, though

>>15716902
>>15716891
Lobster, shrimp and crab for everyone

>>15717237
nigger

>>15716941
RIP. She's shitting on streets of gold now

>>15717239
tilapia, shrimp, and chicken forever
lobster are actually difficult to raise in captivity I think
or am I thinking of horseshoe crabs

>>15717200
in the long run it will definitely help, in the short term not really sure

>>15717133
General Electric or someone else like them will jump all over space launches when it becomes "just another industry"

>>15717225
they have had a lot of new features so yes
I'm pretty sure they are also recruiting actively

https://twitter.com/DrPhiltill/status/1698396416123474337

>I am more convinced than ever that this event has identified a previously unrecognized failure mode for lunar landing pads, which could have resulted in loss of life of lunar astronauts.

>>15717261
we'd done robots at that point though, and they landed without a hitch

>>15716978
>I actually like youtube shorts
opinion discarded

>>15717266
*sometimes

>>15717261
What is he talking about

>>15716873
Plasma railgun vaporizes enemy warship, 2235.

>>15717261
Did he actually get some data from SpaceX since he's NASA associated or is this literally just retarded speculation from pictures?

>>15717134
Okay, you're just retarded
American pre-war eugenics policies could have prevented this

>>15717270
read the tweet
paper coming to arxiv in 1-2 months

>>15717277
No, he used common sense.

>>15717281

>>15715859
guy on the top left looks like young elon musk

>>15716198
we'll live in pods but have access to larger underground plazas and domed gardens. in the far future they'll have better, but for now that's the best we can do.

>>15717285
>pressure from above = compression
>pressure from below = tension

literal
brainlet
opinion

>>15717261
>which could have resulted in loss of life of lunar astronauts
...except for the fact that all of the landing liftoff engines for HLS have been depicted to be up towards the top of the ship, so they wouldn't have any significant interaction with the lunar regolith.

>naur spacex is streaming on ex-twitter
people have been livestreaming on ex-twitter for years, its just not that common compared to other platforms because its easier to make money on youtube/twitch/kick/etc.

>>15717261
>lunar landing pads
bro we're 20 years away from working on those

>>15717225
They have money, a good labor pool and aren't afraid to fire people, so they should have good people if they're not shit at hiring.

>>15717299
Just call it Xitter, in chinese X makes the 'sh' sound so youre just calling it shitter.

>>15717297
I'm pretty sure he is talking about Apollo astronauts

>>15717317
Except puny lmde wouldn't ever cause that to happen.

>>15717320
https://twitter.com/DrPhiltill/status/1698452900240863485

>>15717317
But even in that case the lunar module's decent engine maxes out at a weak 74 kN and the ascent engine is a completely separate system. Even if the LM took hits from surface debris on final approach to the surface it'd have all the mass of the descent stage to soak the damage.

It's a good reason not to use main engines for a starship landing on the moon, but I just don't think anyone was planning on that anyway. At best we have a slightly refined idea of how exhaust plumes dig craters but that doesn't mesh with the "and this could/will kill astronauts" tagline.

>>15717325
Didn't the Apollo missions get photographic evidence of exactly how much of a plume crater them made?

>>15717316
系特尔? meh

>>15717200
I can't help but notice that you don't want to answer the question. What conspiracy theories?

>>15717316
there's some things i dont like but twitter has gotten better since elon took over. i think its possible he may do the impossible and make the company profitable.

>>15717037
Damn, you only need to be a decent buisnessman to become one of the richest guys in the world? Please me how to accomplish this redditman!

>>15717261
Before opening I thought this had to do what some previously unknown Apollo LM failure mode that was just discovered. That would have been scarier

>>15716807
No, that's the kinzhal, which is a glorified iskander that's modified to be air-launched from a MiG-31 (the same MiG-31 configuration is also what carried the 79M7 Kontakt anti-satellite missile, which is also a big fat piggy of a rocket - picrel). By the definition they're using for hypersonic, the V2 would also be a hypersonic missile, as would almost all large rocket powered munitions. As of yet no country has fielded a true HGV weapon that we the general public knows of. The patriot system was first operational in the '80s, but the khinzal was likely shot down by a PAC-2 Patriot - meaning it was built in the '90s, so your 30-year-old guess is about right.

>>15717223
https://x.com/sdhrthmp/status/1698351499901067454

>>15717017
>you can't just throw shit together randomly and hope it all works.
starship using hydrau- h, umm... pneumatics to stag- wait I meant flip st- nonono it's hot staging

>>15716198
there will only be communal bathrooms

>>15717295
yeah, what happened instead was the pressure on the pad caused it to be in compression and pass its load onto the dirt underneath, which failed, putting the pad in tension, which caused it to crack, which let high pressure gas through, which threw chunks of rock all over the place
he's pretty much correct

>>15717017
yes you can, you just need to iterate rapidly

>>15717374
it turns out everybody else just plain sucks at business

>>15717173
it's so over, the OLM is obviously going to require concrete work after each firing, and the best cadence they can hit will be one launch every TWO WEEKS

>NASA slowly rolling out 4K
>SpaceX regresses to 1080p on a platform absolutely not made for VOD
kek
Also I guess this means I have to watch Clear now for SpaceX launches.

>>15717246
Dungeness crab are carrion eaters living in muddy eelgrass beds so they can be part of the biorecyclers.

That's it. I will be watching Clear from now on.
You did this yourself, Elon.

>>15717501
What does that change?

>>15717501
me too

>>15717501
As if you watched anyone else

>>15717536
Someone activate FTS right now.

>>15717557

>>15717501
Sanest /sfg/ user

Hahaha looks like you guys are gonna make X accounts after all :)

>>15717590
see >>15717501

guess I'll go back to watching Gordão Foguetes streams

>>15717592
No you have to make an X account to watch SpaceX streams now. They will DMCA any V2bers who mirror it sorry

elon should thank me. I have more X accounts than everyone who actually uses X. everytime I want to see a xeet I make a new account on a new burner email

How does everyone predict IFT-2 will go?

>>15717501
りあにケツ穴掘られちゃうぞ。

>>15717609
Kaboom

>>15717609
starship explodes during reentry

How will you watch SpaceX streams on TV?

>>15717609
Two engines out on ascent, hot stage works, there's some issue with superheavy's boostback burn, it fails to soft land. Starship successfully goes suborbital, splashes down in Hawaii with major structural damage due to tile failures that it tanks like a boss

>>15717620
JUST WATCH ON THE PHONE
STOP HAVING EDS
ELON NEVER MAKES BAD DECISIONS

>>15717615
>reentry
expect stage sep, hope for reentry.

>>15717629
dumbass theyre trying to make it burn up on return they 1000% arent landing the starship part, and may just kill b9 while its in the air too. it was that way for ift-1 and itll stay that way for all other ifts until we move in to official ofts.

>>15715510
I like it.
https://viewsync.net/watch?v=5ie1tUbjG2c&t=229.85&v=-1wcilQ58hI&t=2703.35&mode=solo

>>15717501
>>>/vt/

can we agree to lithobrake all mars tourist starships?

>>15717609
Something fucks up during staging. Unrelatedly, one or several of Starship's engines fail and re-enters over the Indian Ocean outside of tracking range and with no re-entry footage gained.

>>15717639
it would be a step forward but ideally they should start testing soft water landing as soon as possible

>>15717615
rëentry*

246 days into 2023. 62 spacex launches. cadence of 1 launch per 3.97 days.
365 days in 2022. 61 spacex launches. cadence of 1 launch per 5.98 days.

>>15717635
seethe

happening

also happening

>>15717027
she's excited

>>15717718
she?

>>15717718
thats a man

>>15717718
>>15717729
>>15717737
The Bog-apparent has spoken.

>>15717745
You killed but not the man the idea

If IFT-2 fails, it’ll be due to some weird issue no one saw coming. Same as IFT-1

>>15717755
stage separation is the last thing I expect to fail, what else could it be?

>>15717755
rips itself to shreds at max q

>>15717254
It isn't that easy in spaceflight.

>>15717755
I don't we (the public) know definitively what the root causes of that launch failure were. maybe soon when we can see the FAA post-flight report and mitigation requirements published.

>>15717038
Nobody wanted him to buy Twitter. He got fucked by his stock manipulation and caught in a position where Twitter was going to take him to court and spill the full contents of his phone in discovery; and that scared him so much, he liquidated billions in Tesla stock to cover the difference necessary to buy the company. The SEC was going to ream his ass if he tried to get out buying Twitter. Elon might be good with STEM, but he sure is terrible with a social media company. He's literally being sued right now for failing to pay severance to 2200 employees.

Full stack on Tuesday apparently. Wouldn't be surprised if the WDR is what’s holding up the FAA stuff

>>15717792
got a source on that date?

>>15717789
Are you trying to get a merit badge for being as off topic as you are wrong?

>>15717770
lol, the full stack did three spins while structurally compromised by the FTS while it was somewhere near the regime of flight max q happens
starship eats max q for breakfast

>>15717819
ask me how I know you won't see it coming

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNS8_mN8Fa0
T-20:00

>>15717815
I don't want your faggy participation trophy; but if you're gonna say someone is wrong, bring the receipts.

>>15717815
Lmao

>>15717797
he made it up

>>15717823
>Nobody wanted him to buy Twitter.
Twitter was desperate to get him to buy twitter. Their stock price was based in large part on how valuable the platform was to advertisers, and that value was massively overinflated because Twitter was lying about the percentage of bots on the platform. This is what you'd call "defrauding investors" and its normally not that big because no one really cares in individual investors get screwed over. The real issue was that several big states (Texas and Florida being two) had a lot of their state pension funds tied up in Twitter via several mutual funds. Defrauding someone who has a state AG on speeddial is a very big deal, especially when they said were very interested in investigating twitter after it because clear the company wasn't really worth $44B. The only way for Twitter to escape getting fucked in the courts was to press Elon into buying at the inflated price.

live
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1698526823012004000

Never watched a spaceflightnow stream, it's pretty cozy really

>>15717822
T-3:00

LAUNCH

max q

max qute

I hate this

>3x the viewers on SFN than official
>more on NSF than official as well
lol lmao

I thought that was the capsule kek

>720p stream
we are LITERALLY so back to 2016 quality

Why is there no official SpaceX stream for this?

>>15717852
So are you saying that Musk bailed out Texas's and Florida's pension funds? That ought to be good for a lot of political capital in two states that are very important to the SpaceX business!

Can’t even go full screen without manually taking my phone out of rotation lock this is GAY

>>15717879
there is, it's on X. read the thread

How long until SpaceX tries to shut down NSF livestreams lol

>>15717883
>read the thread
no u
i've checked the usual places and the spacex channel page

>>15717882
oh great and then notification popups of people joining block the whole screen

>>15717884
right now, apparently

it will take billions of dollars in r&d to match yt's streams. No auto subtitles, etc etc

>>15717882
The absolute state of phoneposters.
>>15717885
I am watching it right now, if you engage 100% of your brain you might be able to click the link that is fifteen posts above yours. Be careful though, I don't want you to hurt yourself.

This is so stupid

>he did it again

>lands in complete darkness
love it

>>15717884
Can you imagine the additional ill will from the spaceflight community? Bet even SpaceX employees would be pissed off, they watch third party streams too. I can see it happening though, and if it does, that means Elon no longer cares about spaceflight.

in other news here comes crew 6
live in 2 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8n5OA1m5o8

>>15717881
>That ought to be good for a lot of political capital in two states that are very important to the SpaceX business!
you joke but it would not surprise me if calls were made to that effect

>blurry ass stream
this hurts so fucking much
we are going to be forced to watch IFT-2 like this after all those years of kino footage?

>>15717884
2 weeks unironically

>>15717898
I know he’s the boss and all but someone has to reign him in, or kick him out, if he causes too many problems.

>>15717893
I'm already watching the SFN stream you faggot, I want to know why there is no spacex stream.

>>15717903
>>15717901
>SpaceX sues NSF so they don’t stream IFT-2
Where were you when SpaceX became the villains of spaceflight and/or Blue Origin 2.0?

>x video is low res
>cant turn it to a higher res
why are they like this

I sent a chapter of my Blue Gemini alt history book to a publisher to publisher as a “preview.” Wish me luck.

>>15717904
This reminds me of the Senator-Administrator's comment last year that "Gwynne assured me that Elon is not distracted". Given Elon's ownership, I don't know if there's a way short of government intervention that he could be kicked out.

>>15717906
NSF killing it with kino shots like this, while SpaceX reverts to 720p on an inferior platform.

>>15717884
>>15717890

>>15716608
>>15716479
The best part is the "LEO optimized" rocket still has more throw.

>>15717899
>Still 720p
I hope Elon realizes his error and brings back streaming on the SpaceX YT channel.

>>15717927
did someone seriously yoink one of labpadre's cams?

Locking due to this devolving into a lot of nasty stuff. We get it, it sucks.

You know you can go on X and bitch directly to the man himself, right?

>>15717948
>posting on twitter

>>15717178
>Does anyone on /sfg/ actually support the X-only thing with streaming?

In a week once the kneejerk contrarianism has faded no one will care.

>>15717178
I won't be able to watch if they keep locking it behind an account

>>15717261
>a previously unrecognized failure mode for lunar landing pads

A rocket the size of Super Heavy could lift a small city into LLO.

>SpaceX X Crew 6 Splashdown stream
>2-3k viewers

>NASA Youtube Crew 6 Splashdown stream
>20k+ viewers

suck on it Elon, bring SpaceX back to youtube

>>15717770

>>15717983
Yeah I'm not making an account to watch a thing

>>15717983
26k now

barely 2k on X stream lmao

https://twitter.com/clearusui/status/1698539727769780249/photo/1

>>15717909
VonBraunnian spirit > O'neillian spirit
I'll always root for SX no matter what until they get dethroned. I'm not a 1, I'm simply a 'Mars now' kind of guy

>>15717987
Elon will pay now

>>15717789
>Nobody wanted him to buy Twitter

Only lefties who were in denial about being in a censorship enforced echo chamber are upset that Elon bought twitter.

>>15717988
qrd on both?
I've heard there is a saganite spirit too

why do they wait so long to close the nosecone?