/sci/ - Science & Math

First for the LM

We gaan soon

>>15709288
there are a few positive things i can think of when it comes to the biden presidency. one of them is largelyl continuing with trump's space policies.

Starlink to phone news is heating up https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Technology/SpaceX-and-KDDI-plan-satellite-to-phone-service-in-Japan

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/japans-missile-defense-ships-will-now-be-multi-role-cruiser-like

>>15709304
this could be huge. japan doesnt need satellite internet, but they need phone internet. how good does starlink work indoors?

>>15709306
not at all, 10ghz goes through clouds but not a roof.
Sat to phone is more for replacing PLBs and emergency purposes, not streaming YouTube videos. The bitrate is just high enough for a phone call if not too many people are in the same cell

>>15709309
could we remove the roofs?

>>15709316
Enk

>>15709316
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eug0uV5ko0s

ABL
Astra
Astranis
Astrobotic
Axiom
bluShift
ClearSpace
Dawn
Deep Blue
ExPace
Firefly
Galactic Energy
Gilmour
Hermeus
Impulse
Intuitive Machines
Isar
ispace
i-Space
Landspace
Momentus
Nanoracks
OneSpace
Oneweb
Orbex
Planet
Radian
Relativity
RFA
Rocketlab
Sierra
Skyroot
Skyrora
Starfish
Stoke
Vast
Varda
Vector

>>15709309
ah, so its its a useless gimmick then

>>15709325
....no? Are sat phones in general useless gimmicks? you can't use them indoors.

I can't stand the two weeks anymore /sfg/. Goodbye cruel world

>>15709327
anon doesnt go outside duh

>>15709325
no, it means you can use your normal phone in the woods where there is no cell reception instead of lugging around a conventional satellite phone (which are expensive and relatively bulky compared to modern phones)

ACK
https://twitter.com/AsteroidEnergy/status/1697058607768973430

>>15709324
the only one that matters isnt even on here

>>15709334
>TransAstra
add it to the list >>15709324

>>15709325
you get emergency services and limited service everywhere on the planet

>>15709334
>TransAstra
I give them a 59% chance of survival

https://spacenews.com/nasa-gears-up-for-return-of-osiris-rex-asteroid-sample/

> Teams conducted a dress rehearsal Aug. 30 of the recovery of the sample return capsule from NASA’s OSIRIS-REx mission. In the test, a helicopter dropped a replica of the capsule from an altitude of more than 2,000 meters. The capsule descended under a parachute to land at the Utah Test and Training Range west of Salt Lake City, where personnel went through procedures to get the capsule ready for transport to NASA’s Johnson Space Center.

> The rehearsal was part of final planning for the return of the actual OSIRIS-REx capsule, which will arrive early Sept. 24. The capsule is carrying an estimated 250 grams of material from the asteroid Bennu that the spacecraft collected during a “touch-and-go” collection process in October 2020.

> The goal of the mission, whose full name is Origins, Spectral Interpretation, Resource Identification, and Security – Regolith Explorer, is to return those samples to Earth for analysis by scientists, who hope the material will offer new insights into the formation of the solar system.

are the fins on starship really necessary?

>>15709349
I still have nightmares from the failure of genesis

>>15709350
They'll shrink massively over time

>>15709350
Yes. Did you not watch the upper stage hop tests? They help it do the flop and flip maneuver for landing.

Still can't believe this shit happened

>>15709349
>250 grams
massfaggotry most foul!

3 hours to re-use and landing of an orbital class rocket booster. simply incredible https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFY7mtzsNKo

https://spacenews.com/chinese-study-finds-gssap-close-approaches-a-threat-to-its-geo-assets/

> HELSINKI — Chinese researchers have noted close approaches by U.S. GSSAP satellites to Chinese spacecraft in the geostationary belt, describing the activities as threats.

> The activities described by the study are an increasingly common phenomenon, with the U.S., China and Russia all looking to surveil each others’ assets, in what has been described as an in-orbit Game of cat and mouse. The data from the Chinese study provides a new insight at events 36,000 kilometers above the Earth.

> But at the same time, the discussion cannot be only focused on GSSAP. “I don’t think it’s possible to only talk about the American GSSAP satellites without also talking about the very similar activities of the Russian Luch Olymp-K and Chinese SJ-17 satellites. This is really about a whole new category of space activities, not one specific satellite.”

> “However, I think countries do consider them to be intelligence threats as these types of close approaches can allow for imaging and other kinds of intelligence collection that was not previously possible, which in turn could reveal capabilities and limitations of sensitive national security satellites.”

>>15709360
https://twitter.com/brianweeden/status/1696289954819613090

New Hazegrayart kino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6i2ymMwhc0

https://www.space.com/black-astronauts-celebrate-history-artemis-2-iss-missions

>>15709357
boooriiiiing

>>15709355
what is that

>>15709355
what

>>15709351
Imagine when we'll be getting the Perseverence sambles back

>>15709371
>>15709372
Fucking direct hit on the one time a NASA rocket was on the pad ready to launch in 11 years

https://europeanspaceflight.com/eu-member-states-commit-to-not-test-direct-ascent-asat-systems/

>>15709351
QRD?

>>15709379
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_(spacecraft)

>>15709362
would it work?

>>15709383
Technically maybe, but it would be shit due to horribly inefficient mass fractions.

>>15709382
>backwards accelerometer

lmao

https://twitter.com/thejackbeyer/status/1696993197287751876

>>15709392
>static fire of s25 on b9
why wouldn't they do this
test the hot stage without staging

>>15709394
Because they are cowards

>>15709394
waiting for FAA, nothing else to do.

>>15709394
Ayyposters be all vacuum engines explode at sea level, don't listen

>>15709361
>shitty chink sats have to be right on top of you just to get a resolved image
Reminder that maxar bootlegged their own hardware to catch your shitcube payload in 4K—a whole order of magnitude further away. And none of this is even specialized hardware (which certainly exists in the form of secret spook payloads sent up by DIVH and Atlas V)

>>15709392
TWO
WEEKS

OHHHHH NOOOOO-

NASA spots Luna 25 CRASH SITE
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2023/lro-luna-25-impact/

>>15709439
OOF

>>15709441
>>15709439
i told you guys it was a weapons test. russia is decades ahead of other countries in space weapons.

>>15709428
Lol. Lmao even.

>>15709441
>>15709439
>Arizona State University manages and operates LROC.

NASA is so weird

What are the best satellite companies?

>>15709426
The earth cabal seems to have scrubbed this from the internet. I remember saving this pic of Maxar capturing some interstage from a Japanese H-IIA but I can’t find a single article or tweet about it now. I’m wondering how far away this image was taken

>>15709453
SpaceX

>>15709446
You're definitely not crazy. Notice how a lot of nations suddenly want to 'go to the moon'. No. They want to demonstrate to the world their Post Boost Vehicle (PBV) capabilities ie. ICBM tipped with MIRV.
By launching a 'lunar mission', this allows them to bypass any condemnation from the UN Security Council. This is why Israel, India, Iran, North Korea, Turkey, South Korea are all in this race to the moon but under the guise of 'landers' that have near zero chance to survive the landing.
Notice that Israel next lunar mission (beresheet-2?) will include two impactors demonstrating MIRV strike capabilities.

>>15709426
did you even read it? its a simulation of what the american spy satellites might be seeing.

TIE fighter total conversion might be work trying if you don't know it.
You get to play as the space chuds and serve the emperor.

>>15709453
Maxar and SpaceX, lockmart/airbus/NG/other oldspace boomer corps who manufacture niche NASA probes, power gap, everyone else (meme startups and failed dinosaur companies like viasat)
Unless I’m missing someone obvious

>>15709453
No one really knows who assembles NRO's satellites (the ones that cost billions a piece). But I bet there are hundreds of no name research groups/entities doing DoD work.

>>15709480
Ez. look for sat jobs that are sorta generic and need TS clearance. so like General Atomics

>>15709482
Any satellite company with a bunch of cleared jobs in Colorado is building glowsats.

>>15709484
I know that all too well, I'm trying to get a space job in this shitty state but they all need current clearance.
My masters was uselessssssssss

Not only might the Eagle ascent stage still be in LLO, so might the descent stage of the Snoopy LM also be there
https://snoopy.rogertwank.net/

>>15709487
The magic word is "sponsor". Ask them if they'll sponsor a clearance.

>>15709488
lmao we should recover both and then connect them together again

>>15709344
Checked and kekd

>>15709465
I did not read it

>>15709482

>watching guy pay starfield on mars
>he's running around like its normal earth gravity
ayy lmao

>>15709514
spooky

>NO escalera
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYKzj6grydQ

Reminder that Starship cadence is currently trending better than Firefly Alpha cadence.

https://twitter.com/NASAJPL/status/1697296526559822020

New Manley https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ7ZAUjsycY

>>15709534
>>15709538
>>15709557
https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/spinsat.htm

>>15709567

>>15709256
I'm an unemployed neet should I go to boca Chica for the launch and make friends?

Why does she look like an outer worlds character

>The mascons' gravitational anomaly is so great—half a percent—that it actually would be measurable to astronauts on the lunar surface. "If you were standing at the edge of one of the maria, a plumb bob would hang about a third of a degree off vertical, pointing toward the mascon," Konopliv says. Moreover, an astronaut in full spacesuit and life-support gear whose lunar weight was exactly 50 pounds at the edge of the mascon would weigh 50 pounds and 4 ounces when standing in the mascon's center.
The Moon is a lumpy ass bitch

>>15709594
Apollo 11 was mid

>>15709598
*historic

>>15709328
do a bellyflop into a suicide burn

>>15709590
She's a mystery meat mutt and modern vidya characters must pander to mystery meat mutts or get Canceled.

>>15709602
17 was better in every way

>>15709609
but 11 was first

>>15709314

>>15709611
sure but imo Apollo 17 and arguable 12 were more interesting, 11 just had a two hour EVA, 17 went the furthest any moonwalk ever did on EVA so far

What's the difference between a switched reluctance and synchronous reluctance motor?

https://spacenews.com/lawsuit-claims-amazons-board-erred-in-awarding-kuiper-launch-contracts-to-blue-origin-and-others/

>The suit argues that the contracts are unfair to Amazon, in part because SpaceX was not even considered: “Despite being the launch provider with the most proven track record and the lowest prices in the industry, SpaceX was seemingly not considered by Amazon,” the complaint states. “By excluding SpaceX, Bezos and his management team minimized bid competition for the launch agreements and likely committed Amazon to spending hundreds of millions of dollars more than it would have otherwise had to.”

>>15709618
God that pic is so cool

>>15709621
KEK

>>15709621
>The full board met in March 2022 to consider all three launch contracts. The suit claims the board received no expert review of the contracts or other information, including whether the final price was fair to Amazon and whether other launch providers were considered, beyond a 2.5-page summary of the proposed contracts. The board approved the contracts in a meeting lasting 40 minutes.
Yikes

>>15709621
they can probably argue they didn't consider them because they consider spacex their direct competitor with starlink, not sure how that is going to fly legally though

>>15709515
>No Man Sky's complete disregard for varying gravity all over again
so tired of no good spess vidya. At least I have Kerbal

>>15709629
>>15709627
SpaceX themselves probably didn't even care all that much they already got their hands full trying to prop up 90% of global launch

>>15709592
fuck, I only looked at the picture at first and thought it was astra rocket 3
I feel like I've been kicked in the face

>>15709621
> The suit…alleges that Amazon’s board and one of its committees spent “barely an hour” reviewing contacts with Blue Origin and United Launch Alliance, whose Vulcan Centaur rocket uses engines from Blue Origin, before approving them in March 2022.
Bwahahahhah no shit. This award was money for BO and “anyone but SpaceX” even from the drawing board, no doubt. These shareholders probably expected this to be dësü

A section of the 77-page complaint is devoted to outlining the history of the competition between the two billionaires and between SpaceX and Blue Origin, which included Blue Origin’s protest of a NASA lunar lander contract won by SpaceX in 2021. That section features screenshots of tweets from Musk appearing to taunt Bezos and Blue Origin.

“Given their bitter track record, Bezos had every reason to exclude Musk’s SpaceX from the process entirely,” the suit states. “And Bezos, it must be assumed, could not swallow his pride to seek his bitter rival’s help to launch Amazon’s satellites.”

AHAHAHAH

>>15709638
Falcon 9 does not have a limit they can simply make more. I’m not even trying to be a 1. It takes two weeks (heh) to make a complete F9 stack from scratch including fairings, engines, tanks… everything. They’ve just been increasing their fleet as-needed between demand and retirements on FH

>>15709629
How many OneWeb sats has SpaceX launched?

>>15709037
>>15709040
>>15709045
>small launchers launching space tugs launching other space tugs that launch cube sats
how deep can this shit this go?

>>15709644
I agree with the other anon, in that they sort of have a right to not choose SX especially because they are competing. But it’s still funny seeing Whozos get thrown under the bus lmao

>>15709629
While I don't think it's completely separate there are at least a few legal and financial distinctions between SpaceX and Starlink. I'm also pretty sure that SpaceX has said they'd be fine launching Kuiper payloads whenever Amazon decides to ink a contract with them.

>“anyone but SpaceX”
When the deal was announced everyone was talking about how this was great for SpaceX because all of the rest of the med-heavy lift capability in the world just got bought out. The deal was literally "everyone who isn't SpaceX and everything they have available for the next five to seven years"

>>15709621
This is vexatious litigation

This is an official legal document

>>15709462
New schizopost just dropped

IT RETURNS

>>15709659
needs to be attached as an exhibit. fire the paralegal

>>15709663
Hahahahah

>>15709653
>SpaceX has said they'd be fine launching Kuiper payloads whenever Amazon decides to ink a contract with them
SpaceX can't deny them launch services, it'd be blatantly anticompetitive and they'd risk being broken up
>>15709659
lmao

>>15709663
Reminder that the scale of the BO lander was greatly exaggerated to make starship look “big and scary,” but still not big enough to mog Blue’s shitcan lander

>>15709663
This would have been an effective graphic if they left out the size comparison

>>15709663

>Amazon shareholder praising SpaceX and their dominance in the launch market in a public legal document and calling him out for deliberately avoiding contracting them

He must be seething lol, even your shareholders know SpaceX is superior.

>>15709649
> How many OneWeb sats has SpaceX launched?
135 in 4 launches, launched 13 times before that with soyuz, and a 2 times with india
I'm pretty sure the soyuz launches were more expensive and they still did it as long as possible

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OneWeb

>fiduciary responsibility

The lawsuit has strong legal grounds but I will be damned if I have any idea how this will play out.

Gradatim ferosisters… how will we ever recover

Stop hyping this nothingburger.
Tesla gets sued by shareholders all the time.
Just what happens when you're a public company

>>15709677
Amazon will probably argue that it's not their fault BO hasn't finished New Glenn yet. It's been slated for launch for years and just keeps getting delayed.

>>15709684
We know, but it’s funny to dogpile

>>15709376
But Idalia is absolutely nowhere near KSC.

>>15709676
Soyuz can't launch as much as Falcon 9 can but it had the advantage of a cost that was a lot lower than Falcon 9's price. OneWeb a lot of room to negotiate a competitive deal with Arianespace/Roscosmos, especially considering that Russia wasn't the commercial success it had been and a big launch contract could keep the production line at Samara running at full capacity for years.

>>15709689
>Ian 2022

>>15709649
>>small launchers launching space tugs launching other space tugs that launch cube sats
>how deep can this shit this go?
well its more like medium launcher launching rideshare where one of the payloads is a spacetug (Launcherrs Orbiter) with multiple payloads, one of them being a satellite service satellite test article (Otter Pup)
Otter Pup was supposed to test electromagnetic docking with a satellite by getting back to the Orbiter, but the Orbiter went into a rapid spin as it got separated from the Falcon 9 upper stage and they decided to do an emergency release, this resulted in otter pup spinning 330 degrees per second
however, the people at Starfish Space which made the Otter Pup test satellite were able to stop the spin by cleverly using three magnetic torque rods to gradually slow the spin down (normally used for attitude control I guess)

>>15709692
Soyuz wasn't cheaper, it was the non American option.

>>15709701
Soyuz is pretty damn cheap bro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFY7mtzsNKo

50min to starlink launch stream start

>>15709670
the funniest part is the size comparison is wrong. Someone must have been making it and they realized it made them look 50 years behind space X because size wize, they are.

Liftoff Narmal

>>15709704
I almost wanted to ignore it then I remembered these have no commentary now so might as well for some comfy ambience and cool sights

>>15709703
-was- pretty cheap, even before the Ukraine war its price had risen significantly

>>15709709
I remember almost coooming during the DM-2 launch when I heard those strongback mics. You could hear falcon huffing and hissing with power. Alive girl

>>15709717
>You could hear falcon huffing and hissing with power.
Yeah, that was good shit, I want to listen to the rocket not the commentators

>>15709718
Exaaaactly

>you will never have his confidence and swagger

>>15709534
>>15709538
>>15709557
>>15709570
https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/tdm/green/index.html

>>15709723
The exaggerated swagger of a Scottish man.

>>15709701
Soyuz's production cost was about half of Falcon 9's sticker price. There was a lot of room for deal making there.

>>15709723
>>15709729
His wife is a hag

>>15709738
Better than my wife, who doesn't exist

>>15709738
haha he has someone who loves him what a fag haha

>>15709744
I wouldnt be so sure.
That's like aggressively revolting to look at

>>15709652
No they actually don't have the right. Amazon is obligated to its shareholders, not bezos's other companies

>>15709748
you should never trust an ugly person or someone who has an ugly partner.
there's something wrong with them

Does F9/Dragon 2 have the wiggle room to add an orbital module if they wanted to? Not that they should (especially bc SS is coming online) but I find it interesting that Soyuz has historically used a descent module and an orbital module for a long time (same with shenzhou). And the next generation crewed chink craft is also going the same route despite being designed from scratch. Orion originally had an orbital module as well.
If I’m reading this correctly, F9 has about 9-10T to spare on ISS launches. But I think it’s a size problem, there wouldn’t really be anywhere to put it unless you added some jank ass extended truss or something

>>15709324
>Vector on the list, but not Pythom or Phantom
kek

>>15709753
I guess so. Maybe if NG and/or Vulcan-Centaur were currently flying they would have a good argument. Select one or two rockets that are online and one that was “soon” (tm)
But they literally chose three rockets that are perpetually ETA next year bro, and meanwhile falcon has been kicking ass for like 8 years now with the most mass to orbit, highest cadence, and most reasonable price. I see your argument

>>15709749
Unironically looks like a man but in the end, they have a (cute) daughter.

>>15709758
>Pythom
nah
>Phantom
added. they got a nasa contract and seem to be making hardware despite that photoshop debacle

>>15709755
it means theyre a man of integrity

Is Aevum a scam or not?

https://youtu.be/tS2PHJmvJzo

uh oh, chopsticks are going up

>>15709783
ITS OVER

>>15709621
>“Given their bitter track record, Bezos had every reason to exclude Musk’s SpaceX from the process entirely,” the suit states. “And Bezos, it must be assumed, could not swallow his pride to seek his bitter rival’s help to launch Amazon’s satellites.”


LMAO

>>15709621
https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1697372418447200284

>>15709704
where they launching from? please be vandy, I'm tired of night launches

>>15709784
Yeah, they stopped.

>>15709621
>Bezos was intimately familiar with SpaceX and Musk’s success, asBlueOriginhasrepeatedlylostout to SpaceXincompetingforlucrativegovernmentlaunch contracts. Each time, Musk has publicly taunted Bezos’ loss on Twitter; andeach time, Bezos has filed legal protests and challenges seeking to overturn thegovernment’sdecisionstochooseSpaceXoverBlueOrigin. Inonenotableinstance,Blue Origin appealed the United States government’s choice to award a multi- billion-dollar lunar contract to SpaceX, even though the government explained thatit chose SpaceX because Blue Origin’s bid wasnearly double SpaceX’s offeredcost.In the face of SpaceX’s proven reliability and cost advantages, Bezos-led Amazon’sdecision to not even consider SpaceX as a launch provider illustrates the glaringconflict of interest Bezos’ affiliation with both Amazon and Blue Origin presented,and the substantial impact these conflicts had on the Board’s ability to protect the best interests of the Company and its stockholders in negotiating the contracts.

None of this matters.
Kuiper money would have directly gone into faster Starlink expansion.
Therefore Amazon was justified to choose other launch providers.
It can be claimed that it is not even about Blue Origin.

LMAO

>>15709803
Retards do the bare minimum and scan the thread to see if their shitty twitter-ripped image has already been posted challenge [IMPOSSIBLE!]

https://digitalcommons.usu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=3601&context=smallsat

>>15709738
His daughter isn't

>>15709818
>his oldest child
what did retard journo mean by this?

>>15709581
I'm afraid you'll have to deal with the Groucho Marx principle: would you really want to be friends with someone who wants to be friends with an unemployed neet?

More important than Mars

>>15709818
>a fervent marxist
lmao. crazy really these people actually exist

>>15709828
what is it with trannys and marxism

>>15709831
mental illness leads to both

>>15709828
I think overwhelming daddy issues is a foundational character trait for most modern communists.

>>15709831
Marxism + Authoritarianism is the goal. Trannyism is just the means to get there.

How? Marxists seek to control the "capital" of the society. Capitals are anything the society values. There's capital as in wealth/money, but the westerns society is the richest society on earth. So classic money/wealth argument falls flat. The nu Marxist engage in social capital, which is status symbols. They engage in trying to control the social status. Society's status revolves around elites, normal, and minorities. The nu marxists are elites who want to control the status symbol of the common folks. They're the harvard educated journalists with wealthy elite upbringing, wall street hedge funds managers, the media reporters that interact with elites, and so on. So they weaponize the minorities and use them to attack/destroy/disrupt the power of the common individuals. This is where you get the gender fights, the racial status fights, the identity fights, the social norm fights, etc.
In disrupting them, in provoking the society, the marxists accumilate power by leading the sheep into a false reality of "utopia". They believe the false utopian goal justifies any and all forms of violence in their pursuit of power.

Musk's son is the victim of this ideology.

>>15709324
scuze me, where the FUCK is arca?

https://aerospaceamerica.aiaa.org/features/fixing-starship/

>>15709876
>ksp asparagus staging.jpg

cybertrucks on mars

>>15709876
arrested for stealing copper like all gypsies

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/31/investing-in-space-why-the-pentagon-is-spending-billions-on-a-satellite-constellation.html

> Low Earth orbit satellite constellations are all the rage, but up to this point they’ve been the prospective domain of commercial entities.

> Now the U.S. military wants in on the action — thanks in part to inroads made by the likes of Starlink, OneWeb, Planet
and more — and it’s spending big, turning to a variety of companies to build a satellite network unlike any the military has built before.

>>15709882
anyone want to call that number see what it is?

>>15709825
In Musk's own words he's racing against the clock of humanity's self-destructive tendencies. He has to get Mars colonized before civilization (the United States in this socioeconomic context) collapses. Chasing the rage addicts off Twitter was mitigation to buy him some time; Facebook is now in his crosshairs after their abject failure to prevent violence escalating across the globe

>>15709895
He should buy facebook just to shut it down.

>>15709917
just outcompete it, or compete so that they are forced to lessen censorship
I think this has already happened somewhat, I remember seeing some articles whining about this

>>15709787
From nowhere it appears, at least tonight; they've only got 1 backup time left.

>>15709895
Bitch is just getting lawfared now by DOJ for destroying twitter

wetland bros?!
https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/166b2jm/the_epa_removes_federal_protections_for_most_of/
>The EPA removes federal protections for most of the country's wetlands
does this mean regulations for starbase can relax?

>>15709935
https://www.npr.org/2023/08/29/1196654382/epa-wetlands-waterways-supreme-court

link the article directly

>>15709937
>The EPA and Department of the Army announced a final rule amending the definition of protected "waters of the United States" in light of the decision in Sackett v. EPA in May, which narrowed the scope of the Clean Water Act and the agency's power to regulate waterways and wetlands.

HOLY SHIT NO WAYYYY

PREPARE FOR ESGHOUND TO CRY LIKE A BITCH TOO AHAHAHHAHAA

>>15709935
>The Environmental Protection Agency removed federal protections for a majority of the country's wetlands on Tuesday to comply with a recent U.S. Supreme Court ruling.
>The EPA and Department of the Army announced a final rule amending the definition of protected "waters of the United States" in light of the decision in Sackett v. EPA in May, which narrowed the scope of the Clean Water Act and the agency's power to regulate waterways and wetlands.

Overall this is a huge win against federal overreach, to the point Trump brags at rallies about it, but it still probably won't help Starbase because the beetle marshes are wetlands directly touching a navigable waterway, which IIRC is the new standard.

>>15709934
>destroying twitter
two weeks

>In May, Justice Samuel Alito said the navigable U.S. waters regulated by the EPA under the Clean Water Act do not include many previously regulated wetlands. Writing the court's decision, he said the law includes only streams, oceans, rivers and lakes, and wetlands with a "continuous surface connection to those bodies."

FUCK

Boca Chica's wetland counts as one of those

>>15709939
> As a result of the rule change, protections for many waterways and wetlands will now fall to states.

> Meanwhile, some business groups said the EPA's rollback did not go far enough.

> Courtney Briggs, chair of the Waters Advocacy Coalition, said federal agencies "have chosen to ignore" the limits of their jurisdictional reach. "This revised rule does not adequately comply with Supreme Court precedent and with the limits on regulatory jurisdiction set forth in the Clean Water Act," she said in a statement.

well I think it depends on the specifics, this might not affect much in the end

>>15709937
We are so back, I hope we get some kino ESG meltdown. Today has already gifted us lots of salt yet I demand more

>>15709946
Yeah might do fuckall for the launch site ultimately

>>15709944
This decision is mostly useful for farmers who had the EPA inform them a temporary wet spot in their fields was now federally protected wetland.

>>15709895
>He has to get Mars colonized before civilization (the United States in this socioeconomic context) collapses.
Sadly I'm not sure this is possible anymore. Egalitarian and universalist rhetoric has become so fundamentally entrenched into every facet of life today, even private industry is no longer safe I fear. As much as SpaceX might try, there seems to be no fighting a judicial and political apparatus weaponized for such ends. It seems rather than aspire to the stars, the American elect are most interested in furthering endless redistribution of public wealth to the most ill formed and resentful, and in perpetual struggle sessions over the apparently self evident equivalence of human souls. It is simply a race to the bottom, and I don't see any future where there's even sufficient human capital to maintain public infrastructure, let alone space programs. I think things like DEI or ESG are really just the beginning, and when they continue to not produce intended outcomes, we won't see any sort of adjustment, rather a doubling down and vast expansion of similar policy mandates. Industry which does not comply will simply be stifled or ruined completely.

>>15709621
EDS is a helluva drug

>>15709953
Admitting that people are not intellectually equal would destroy all the institutions that get rich from the arbitrage between legal assumptions (adults are smart enough to make informed votes, read contract terms, and do basic math) and reality (nonwhites mostly aren't).

>>15709935
>Calm down there, this is federal level regulation. States still have their own regulation bodies and for many states this really doesn’t change anything at all because they’re still using the 2013 rule. This is a matter of how the Waters of the US definition is applied. If the Wetland does not have a water surface connection, then it can’t be regulated federally. Can still be regulated via the state or local municipality.

This changes nothing for the launch site

>>15709953
that is why its a race to get the mars colony self sufficient before the west declines too much

https://twitter.com/Astro_Woody
>location: LEO

lmao, one of the few people on Earth that can put that and be 100% correct

>>15709963
>on earth

>>15709965
fuck

>>15709935
>reddit niggers
>>15709937
>NPR niggers

https://www.enr.com/articles/57024-epa-weaker-wotus-rule-opens-protected-wetlands-to-develop

Here's more details on what it means. If someone wants to build on it, like SpaceX, the regulation still prevents them and slows them down

>>15709953
It's gonna take at least 20-30 years to get something resembling a self sustaining civilisation on Mars starting RIGHT NOW with a free hand on launch cadence, starbase expansion and such. Compare the US circa 1993-2003 to what it is now. Shit is FUCKED. Yeah this motherfucker sure doesn't have another three decades left in it, let alone three decades of letting evil emerald slave mining apartheid man and his rich friends run away to mars or whatever. Pretty sure the fiat scam alone doesn't have a decade of life remaining without monstrous austerity in regards to the military, beauracrats and nigger/boomer gibs (lol, lmao even).

>>15709968
yeah it might not affect much, the area is still part of the"Lower Rio Grande Valley National Wildlife Refuge"

but who knows

https://aerospaceamerica.aiaa.org/nasa-and-darpa-are-cautioned-against-overselling-the-performance-of-their-nuclear-rocket-tech/

>>15709975
Nuclear propulsion is trash as fuck, for the price tag you could get a gorillion regular launches. The only use is for ease of refuelling for something like asteroid prospecting where you just fill the bitch up with asteroid ice water rather than having to deal with electrolysis and cryogenic nonsense.

>>15709978
Nuclear electric sailing is going to get a lot more popular for deep space if/when plasma magnet sails and QI aethersails work. With constant thrust and no propellant budget an outbound ship outruns solar power in under a month. NTP and NEP fed onboard-propellant drives are always bad.

>>15709991
>plasma magnet sails and QI aethersails
god, I want to believe

the former at least should technically work, the latter is unproven and likely false, very suspicious of the sat to be moved to Transporter 9 just as it was about to launch and prove whether the fucking QI drive works at all tho

>>15709997
The fault was on Rogue Space's satbus and not the IVO thruster.

>>15710001
interesting, hope they get that shit sorted, can you imagine if it works, what that would enable in spaceflight...

>not spaceflight related
anyone got that image where it's the retarded wojak with a twitter bird on his head and a mic labeled 4chan is being held up to him?
I want to edit it to the x logo

>>15710010
here

>>15710017
oh cool someone already did it. I've never had an original idea in my life

https://www.blueorigin.com/new-glenn
new new glenn website

>>15710023
>proven

>>15710010
>>15710017

Guys is Tory Bruno ok?

>>15710002
If the scaling laws hold up to this paper it's going to cause an immediate nanotech goldrush as people scramble to mass produce aethersails with sub-micron dielectric gaps (probably out of synthetic diamond) for that sweet >0.1N/W efficiency.

>>15710023
>proven

>>15710027
holy shit

>>15710023
they still have yet to be proven
(but at least this time it's the fault of the other stage)

>>15710023
WOW holy fuck I snorted out loud at this hahaha. It’s a bingo. It has all the buzzwords. It talks about le russian engines. It considers itself “proven”. The paragraph about “(but cleaner!”)” reads like a middle schooler wrote it

>>15710023
SpaceX bros we got too cocky…

>>15710027
looks like he's practicing ocean landings for reuse

>>15710036
By operating with no launches (and no fuel), New Glenn will lead to significantly less waste and cost.

>>15710036
parentheses comes across as unprofessional in corpo speak in my opinion

>>15710028
.1N/W would be WILD which is why it's probably not real

>>15710036
>By operating like a commercial airliner
Literally what did they mean by this
Also lmao at “up to 25 flights” becoming “a minimum of 25 flights”

>electric sails
>plasma sails
>aethersails

So much propulsion kino to be tested soon, this a badly neglected area of spaceflight (plasma/electric/QI)

SpaceX live :)
Ria not live ;_;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFY7mtzsNKo

>>15709704
Streams up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z28RRk3VtlM
So's this one.

T-5:00

Are we not even getting a commentator today? lmao

>>15710061
They’ve been gone for a short while now. At least for starlink launches

>>15710061
We haven’t for the last 3 starlink launches

>>15710061
That's a good thing

>>15710061
they're trimming the fat

>>15710063
>>15710065
Oh okay. I also thought about mentioning the crane on site but figured that was already there for previous launches. I guess I've missed a handful.

>>15710048
IVO's first prototypes in 2022 got 45mN/W so that's only ~22x off.

>>15710069
wait what

Launch I guess

kino

>>15710070
WE ARE GOING
https://ivolimited.us/press-release-ivo-ltd-introduces-the-worlds-first-pure-electric-thruster-for-satellites/

>IVO Ltd. worked with E-Labs of Fredericksburg, VA to validate the thruster under the rigorous conditions it will see in space. The vacuum chamber also served to validate thrust being developed by quantized inertia. The IVO Quantum Drive achieved 45mN of thrust consuming only a single watt and zero fuel. This was done at 9×10-6 Torr with temperature cycles ranging from -100c to 100c. The thruster performed as expected with no variation in performance.

https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1697433407670857910

pretty soon even clear will stop streaming for these

rud on droneship plz

>>15710040
is he burning rocks?
Wtf is going on there seriously

>>15710061
Its 10:24 PM. Routine self launch late at night dont need any commentary.

TRAJECTARY NARMAL

>>15710083
it's a gas firepit with decorative glass rocks, they're pretty common

the Moon!!!!!!!!

>First stage pointed straight at the supermoon
a portent of things to come

>>15710086
Hopefully one of them has an air bubble defect and it explodes glass shrapnel into his eyeballs

>>15710077
interesting...

if it really works they should fly it over to the ISS for lulz

Clouds lite by the nearly full moon make the night landing easier to watch.

>>15710087
and I do believe those are moonlit clouds beneath the first stage!

>>15710092
very neat, I wish the moon was this close all the time

>>15710077
>press release a year ago
One guess why nobody's onboard with this.

https://youtu.be/5jlnFwyLTCE?t=44m19s
GET IN HERE

She's spitting, no....

>>15710096
I want no commentary

Imagine if we had a high quality view from the first stage right now...

>he got away with it again

>immediate cut from very off-center falcon landing
it's joever

>>15710086
americans are weird

jeeeez that was a short one

Routine, it’s amazing. No one else has one (1) orbital booster landed
Also lol at the quick stream end

>>15710081
Maybe next time

Feels like they automated the whole livestream with script that ends the livestream after landing.

I like it very much from a software engineer pov.

>>15710077
>Pure Electric Thruster
>Pure Electric

b-but Musk said that was impossible!!
>lol no, Newton's third law
NOOOOOOO!!!!!!

>>15710109
I really want to see classical (see; jewish) relativity eat shit

>>15710090
They can throost backwards without gimbaling too which means you only need half as many steering thrusters compared to chemical/ion RCS.

>>15710095
A test thruster is going up on Transporter-9.

I just realized that if the IVO thruster works and the electric sail plasma brake works you can combine the two to make for a very effective planetary probe that you can launch at high C3 and just brake in orbit, no need to waste time, just yeet to the planet and slow down at the planet or just before idk, will definitely take less time

>>15710113
lmao I can just imagine a scenario where it works, performs better or as expected and suddenly NASA and the IVO company are very interested in picking it back up so they sail over to the JEM airlock to literally be picked up and returned back to Earth on a CRS flight that would be so fucking hilarious

>>15710115
You're not thinking big enough. If the aethersail works we can do manned interstellar missions once NASA gets over its autism about space fission reactors.

>>15710121
Alpha Centauri probe would be nice, how fast would it reach it?

>>15710121
What are you going to do about space debris and dust obliterating your shit with the force of fusion bombs at .whatever c?

>>15710125
Plasma bubble

>>15710125
Plasma magnet to tank the charged particles and a big ice shield for the rest.

>>15710126
Go back to your star trek threads

>>15710131
Faggot.
https://www.centauri-dreams.org/2017/12/29/the-plasma-magnet-drive-a-simple-cheap-drive-for-the-solar-system-and-beyond/

>>15709937
>>15709935
i want to go to mars but we need to protect the environment too

>>15710113
>A test thruster is going up on Transporter-9.
>>15710115
I'm not letting myself hope that it works.

>>15710130
>big ice shield

I'm sure this will help when a pebble hits you with the force of a 500 megaton nuke.

>>15710133
Yeah, it will help with a handful of charged particles, that's it. It's not gonna do shit when a bit of gravel sails through it at .5c

>>15710139
Interstellar space is very, very empty.

>>15710135
lets protect the environment by removing it entirely

>>15710142
So you're basically praying to the RNG gods over many light years? Cool mission planning bro. It's also NOT empty until you exit the heliopause which is a long ass way. I also don't see how the plasma sail is going to stop uncharged particles like X-rays, especially when they are massively accelerated in your reference frame due to relative speed.

It looks just looks too wack to work

>>15710150
That's what the big ice block strapped to the front of the ship is for.

>>15710135
Why are you acting like these are mutually exclusive things

>>15710152
pykrete protection system

>>15710135
Let's put all the industry in space and drop rocks on the third world.

So will human eyes ever see the proxima system up close, or have we just been fucked over by the sheer size and distance of the universe

>>15710153
im not

>>15710164
we just need to keep chasing ever faster propulsion systems, the distance is nothing if you have the means to cross it quickly

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1697442843818643832

60 launched so far this year. Last year was 61.

They're averaging ~7.5 launch per month. They need to up that to 10 launch per month to hit 100 launch this year. Otherwise, the same pace will "only" get them to 90 this year

>>15709488
Interesting, this would be huge if true.

>>15710183
We never had 90 in a year since spaceflight began

>>15710186
at this rate when do they break the record? november?

https://twitter.com/DrChrisCombs/status/1697446517248852155

News picked up the launch

https://twitter.com/rkennerney/status/1697443873801298377

>they showed the launch livestream on the big screen
>then panned to the actual view of the launch

kino

>>15709462
you fucking idiot. Israel's beresheet is made by a private company and launched on a Falcon 9. all it proves is that this company can make a shitty upper stage for the final part of its trip

>>15709703
>>15709715
S*yuz ~80 million when sold by Arianespace.
Carried less too 34-36 satellites. Thank Elon for hosing these clowns.

>>15710187
Kinda hard to predict an exact date, China doesn't really anounce launches weeks in advance and a bit of rain or wind can cause a week-long delay.

But we should probably also look at mass to LEO, which is likely to go through the roof once the new heavy launchers start flying.
This lift capacity might actually be the first step towards actual spaceflight. pic vaguely related.

>>15709937
Thank fuck. EPA could rule the ground you piss on a wet land and ruin your day for stepping in it.
t.mining engineer

>>15710200
Okay but pockocmoc inflated the price for europeans and, quite frankly, I don’t blame them lol

>>15710211
I'm about to start studying mining engineering in the us, is this a bad idea in your opinion? im fine with pretty much having no social life and working in isolated places

AUGUST 2023

9 ENGINES

9 LAUNCHES

FALCON 9

>>15710188
>>15710190
really cool

>>15710214
I spent a summer working in an underground coal mine that was 1300 ft below the surface. Fuck that shit. Being in the dark all day got old really fast. Stick to surface if you can.

>>15709356
It's significantly more than they were expecting to retrieve.

>>15710226
Actually I've been underground for long periods of time before (in abandoned mines) and I love it. I want to specialize in underground hard rock mine engineering specifically.

Thanks, I must have misheard. Recalculating for 1W:

so 250uN/W.

Compare to a solar sail, which is 8uN/m2 at Earth and a m2 of solar incidence at Earth is one kW, so 8nN/W.

So 30,000x the force of a solar sail per watt.

An easily achievable 100kW of solar cells would generate 25N, which for a 2,500kg/spacecraft would give an acceleration of 10mm/sec2 or for one day a velocity of 860m/sec.

that's enough for interplanetary travel.

TODO: Compare to a solar wind sail.

---------------------------------------------------
From NSF forums, about IVO drive

LEO: Low Europa Orbit

>>15710244
Could this be scaled up for decent interstellar speeds (like 20% of c) if it works

>>15710250
Maybe if you combine multiple idk, man I hope it works

>our moon is named moon
>our sun is named sun
gross

>>15710261
>Luna
>Sol

Kino

>>15710267
These are names proliferated by those who died during the AIDS epidemic so…

>>15710190
Kinomatic

Really interesting stuff here

https://x.com/jenakuns/status/1697442574099947530?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

>>15710280
cscc2 saa
wtf is that

>>15710280
oh https://www.nasa.gov/jsc/procurement/ccsc2 ?

>>15710290
wack ass nasa acronym (or WANASAA)

>>15710261
>moon
Tsuki/Chikyu/Tuku
Chandra - (shining)
>sun
Surya
Taiyo
Ra
Really

>>15710280
>the starship LEO space station variant's PDR is in 2028
yeah thats not happening until earliest the mid 2030s. still the other dates are very nice.

>Starship
blew up
>Vulcan
Centaur blew up
>H-III
blew up
>Ariane 6 and New Glenn
Have not experienced a failure yet. It’s pretty obvious who has already won the next-gen race

>>15710280
I'm just reading a lot of dollar signs for SpaceX not having to do anything but make a lot of spreadsheets and word documents

>>15710280
>orbital propellant storage PDR is also 2025
bros they were never gonna make it for Artemis-II time to face the facts

>>15710313
this is a NASA assessment, SpaceX will move faster on that

>>15710302
If A6, NG, H3 and Vulcan are "next gen" then Starship is one generation after them.

>>15710280
more like TWO WEEKS lmao GOTTEM

>>15710313
Artemis-III fuck Im a retard.

>>15710313
Artemis III probably won't be ready for Artemis III anyway

>>15710328
true it big

We are living through such a weird transitional period where spaceflight is currently more based than it has ever been yet somehow gayer than we could have ever imagined

Was getting the HLS contract a good thing for Starship after all?

>>15710348
yes more ants in the pants and a couple billion spread across milestones

>>15710348
Hell yeah I can’t really think how it’s bad. And saying “it distracts from Mars” is a cope, I think. There’s now a fire under SeX’s pants to reach milestones like orbital refueling, landing, hell even just getting to orbit. And NASA will personally have a ton of exposure to every system large and small with the SS/SH stack so they will be way more confident using it outside of just Artemis HLS landings in in the longer term

>>15710361
So the same can be said about Blue Moon HLS and New Glenn then?

>>15710343
It's going to get simultaneously more based and more gay. Just letting you know know.

>>15710261
every sun is named sun

>>15710250
If you increase the efficiency by adjusting the shape of the drive yeah. Scaling law here
>>15710028

https://twitter.com/Astro_Wakata/status/1697452869048312093

Wakata at Boca Chica

>>15710380
テキサス州ボカチカにあるSpaceX社のStarbaseを見学させて戴きました。次に打ち上がるStarshipの機体や射点のブースターを目の当たりにし、月ミッションに向けた準備が着々と且つスピード感をもって進められている事を実感します。

Any updates on this? Thought they were supposed to start experiments in space with his stuff?

>>15710386
Transporter 9

>>15710386
Next transporter mission oort cloud poster

artemis 3 2028+

>>15710392
no

>>15710386
read the thread

>>15710393
your right
it'll get delayed till 2028 then cancelled

>>15710386
what happened to the superconductor lk99

>>15710400
korean lies

>>15710403
oof. i dun told yall too.

starfield is kinda based so far. very pro space, even pro musk

>>15710428
Please stay on topic sir, no I won't use your preferred pronouns.

>>15709775
yes, from the beginning.
unrelated but it's kind of funny how everyone is using SN terminology now.

>>15710428
its only good if you like bethesda games. people looking for a superior space exploration experience are in for disappointment.

>>15710436
there's a guy that's a blatant elon reference who's super based. also there's an npc who say
>just trust the science
but delivered in a way that's anti science. todd howard is /sfg/ oriented

>>15710428
Shut the fuck up Todd. I'm not buying or playing your game.

>>15710447
there are zero good space exploration games, but i would say this is the closest anyone has come to achieving a "good" one

>>15710453
spore

>>15710455
spore was killed before mr wright could achieve his true vision. starfield is definitely has more hand crafted locations
>>15710451
trust the science

>>15710367
NTA but yes
Although there won't be much to look at

>>15710314
These milestones are set up by SpaceX not NASA.

>>15709882
>no door handles
Yeah I don't think that can make it on Mars

>>15710471
do you really want the martians trying to get in your car?

>>15710473
"""Martians"""

>>15710348
It's money on the table, why wouldn't they take it? They're even getting paid for VARIANTS of a rocket they were going to build anyway. Now that NASA's on board they will want to meddle of course, but on the other hand you get everybody at NASA working on your rocket for essentially free

It's kinda frightening in an awesome way seeing NASA waking up from their congressional coma, and actually wanting to do things again. They WANT a rocket that beats the pants off the SLS

>>15710226
Better get used to it if you want to go to Mars

>>15710473
Well for one I'd like to get into it

>>15710488
>They WANT a rocket that beats the pants off the SLS
no they don't
.t spaceguy5

>>15709738
Fitting, seeing as he's a scottish gnome.

>>15710516
>that file name
KEK

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/08/where-does-indias-space-program-rank-among-global-powers/

> The Moon landing is just the latest in a string of successes in space for India, which has a thriving rocket program with a family of four launch vehicles, its own regional satellite navigation network, and nearly 10 years ago, sent an orbiter to Mars. If India can notch another success in its space program in the next few years, the country could become the fourth nation capable of sending its astronauts into low-Earth orbit.

> Among the space powers considered here, India has the lowest human development index, a measure of social factors such as quality of life, income, and education. But its space program is a point of national pride, and Narendra Modi, India's nationalist prime minister, has made a point to associate himself with Indian successes in space.

> Those successes have come on a shoestring budget. The Indian government this year is allocating $1.52 billion to space efforts, and India developed and launched Chandrayaan 3 for less than $100 million, lower than the cost of many blockbuster Hollywood films.

>>15710539
> Another milestone mission for India's space program is scheduled for launch on Saturday, when a PSLV rocket is set for liftoff with a solar observatory named Aditya-L1. This spacecraft will travel to an orbit around the L1 Lagrange point nearly a million miles (1.5 million kilometers) on the Sunward side of the Earth, where Aditya-L1 will use a solar telescope and coronagraph to observe the Sun and a suite of sensors to measure the solar wind.

> Next year, an Indian rocket will send a sophisticated radar satellite into orbit in partnership with NASA to measure minute changes on Earth's surface.

> Then there is the proliferation of Indian satellites circling Earth, ranging from television broadcast satellites to sharp-eyed reconnaissance spacecraft feeding data to India's military. India also has a network of satellites providing navigation services over South Asia, a similar regional capability to one that Japan has deployed over the last decade. The United States, China, and Russia each have their own satellite networks for global navigation services.

>>15710544
Seems like they actually care about results and not just siphoning away as much money as possible from the government. Probably because they have easier ways to do that, so they use ISRO more as a way to get good PR/propaganda than as a funding source.

>>15709678
slowly but fiercely

>>15710550
>NASA can be made more efficient by making corruption easier (outside of NASA).

>>15709749
It's rude to call someone's wife ugly.

>>15710539
The fact that we can say India's space program and not laugh puts it ahead of Israel, Iran, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and North Korea, but in terms of mission milestones it's far behind the US, Russia, ESA and China. The moon landing was basically them reaching the 1960s space program tier, and they've got a long way to go to even reach the 1970s space program tier that China's at.

>>15709894
Elon answered. Seems like a pretty cool guy.

What is the isp of poop?

>>15710077
Behold, the power of outgassing

>>15710453
Space Engine. There is nothing anywhere true to life.

>>15710577
YOU Broadband India Limited good sirs. Only 50 rupee for one month of call!

>>15710112
IIRC that's mad Mike's next goal, to fully replace GR's good predictions like gravitational lensing without requiring bent space or a big bang. I hope he succeeds just for how mad it would make people.

>>15710594
but the big bang is cool, and made einstein seethe

>>15710612
Like everything else made by a church it has Jewish foundations: (((Einstein)))-(((Minkowsky))) bent 4-space. Mike's hypothesis is much more archetypally pagan; an eternal, infinite seething chaos (quantum foam) that produced the visible universe as sort of a "probability optimum", akin to false vacuum decay seeking a lower state. The anthropic principle is thus a quantum system self optimizing to produce at least one species capable of direct manipulation of quantum objects.

>>15710687
the anthropic principle is a non-explanation

Sometimes the difference between /sci/ and /x/ is hard to discern.

>>15710699
General relativity is just a theory, one with GIGANTIC PLANET SIZED HOLES in it. It's not /x/ to be receptive to an alternative theory that more accurately explains the underlying nature of the universe and has hardware testing to verify coming up soon. You sound like a redditor and should rope yourself.

>>15710706
oof, gullible much?

>>15710721
Dunno bro you are the one that believes in undetectable matter and quantum silly string

>>15710453
I've been thinking for a while now about something like CoaDE (ChoDE?) mixed with starsector, where you control a fleet of ships in the solar system which are somewhat modifiable, but also operate "realistically" at least in regards to orbital mechanics.

>>15710139
>It's not gonna do shit when a bit of gravel sails through it at .5c
Aerogel disks deployed many kilometers in front of the probes after boost phase will take care of them

>>15710449
>>just trust the science
>but delivered in a way that's anti science

>>15710449
>>15710750
LMAO

>>15710428
Too bad it's currently in a shit state.

>>15710769
i watched a review that said its the most bugfree bethesda release he has seen
but personally it just doesn't seem that interesting
the space thing seems to be mostly a gimmick and the setting but not much more
might as well be a fantasy setting where you teleport between locations instead of fly between them

>>15710699
'The superstitions of today are the scientific facts of tomorrow.' — Van Helsing.

>>15710775
>might as well be a fantasy
I think that's called space opera

>>15710748
And when one disk gets ultranuked, what happens to the relativistic shrapnel falling directly towards the other disks or your ship?...

>>15710778
I mean the setting could be fantasy and the core exploration would not change much, not that Starfield itself is a fantasy game

>>15710780
>shrapnel
You mean dissipating, expanding plasma. As it will now consist of charged particles some suitable EM field should deflect it.