/sci/ - Science & Math

https://spacenews.com/nasa-confirms-multi-year-delay-in-next-new-frontiers-competition/

> WASHINGTON — NASA has confirmed it is delaying the release of the call for proposals for the next New Frontiers planetary science mission, originally planned for this fall, to no earlier than 2026 because of budget issues.

> In a community announcement published Aug. 24, NASA’s Science Mission Directorate (SMD) said the announcement of opportunity (AO) for the fifth New Frontiers mission would be delayed and that the potential list of missions eligible for selection could be altered.

> “Budget uncertainty in the Planetary Science Division (PSD) makes release of the AO in 2023 and subsequent selection of a new mission difficult,” the agency said in the announcement. “NASA SMD’s new target is no earlier than 2026 for the release of the final AO.”

>>15703506
Glass the Earth, demigod war eventually

>>15703506
I prefer mine crushed

ITT knows more then CIA

>>15703512
they spent too much money on JPL

KILL ALL EARTHNOIDS

why the fuck has no one told me about this before?
https://store.steampowered.com/app/758690/Occupy_Mars_The_Game/
do any other games or media have starship in them? besides that one anime.

>>15703611
It's kino for the first hour or two but wears off real fast, mechanics are mid and there is no real challenge. Just pirate it until you get bored.

>>15703618
>just pirate software
.t russian ransomware creator

>>15703631
Neck yourself zoomoid

>>15703611
Hey I just saw this on my Steam homepage too
I guess one good side-effect to come out of the SpaceX mars program is all the Mars colonization games we've been getting recently

>>15703611
Surviving Mars

US Embassy in Russia: Biden is committed to NASA’s Artemis program for the moon and beyond!

>NASA announced a team of 18 astronauts for future Artemis missions. The team reflects the diversity and range of opportunity within the United States, with women and people of color making up half of the team.

The Artemis program is also bolstering international partnerships. The United States and seven other nations signed the Artemis Accords on October 13, 2020. The Artemis Accords are a series of guiding principles to ensure future space exploration is peaceful, sustainable and beneficial to all.

>The Artemis Accords follow the principles of the Outer Space Treaty of 1967, which prevent nations from claiming sovereignty over outer space, and seek to facilitate exploration, science and commercial activities for all humanity to enjoy. More than 20 countries have already signed the agreement, which includes Australia, Canada, Italy, Japan, Luxembourg, Ukraine, the United Arab Emirates, the United Kingdom and the United States.

>>15703692
Biden is the greatest space president in the history of this nation and I'm tired of pretending he's not

>>15703798
only because China is now space faring

>>15703611
I am waiting for someone to make the Mars settlement survival mod for starfield with 20th-21st century tech in 2 years

>>15703692
>The Artemis Accords follow the principles of the Outer Space Treaty of 1967, which prevent nations from claiming sovereignty over outer space, and seek to facilitate exploration, science and commercial activities for all humanity to enjoy. More than 20 countries have already signed the agreement, which includes

>Australia
sounding rockets
>Canada
robo-arms lul
>Italy
cupola
>Japan
used to build and launch rockets
>Luxebourg
(???)
>Ukraine
used to build rockets
>UAE
comm sats
>bongistan
make-believe country
>and
The United States of America (only real space power on the article's list).
For some reason the article left out Israel, worst korea, and even India, an actual space power.

Actually, looking at the original Outer Space Treaty, some noteworthy signatories include:
>China, India, Russia
i.e. all of the other space powers
>Best Korea, worst korea, Iran, and Israel
they've done orbital launches, unlike everyone on the article's list sans US.

It's hard to even find non-signatories of the OST; when the DPRK and ROK both sign the same thing (or Iraq, Iran, Syria, Afghanistan, AND Israel) then pretty much everyone is on board.

I came up with a game just now: imagine the most obscure non-spaceflight country that you think hasn't signed it, and then check https://treaties.unoda.org/t/outer_space/participants
for instance
>mongolia
>niger
>chad
>haiti
>botswana
>ethiopia
>somalia
>peru
>serbia
only ONE of these countries has NOT signed it. Can you guess which, without looking?

>>15703815
>Luxembourg

https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/references/space-programs/

>>15703815
The US is generally not in the business of doing things that don't have a direct strategic benefit. You can figure out the rest.

>>15703815
It's the US Embassy in Moscow. The names on the list were chosen to troll the Russians.

>>15703808
china is extremely strong

>>15703848
The only name on there which would "troll" Russians is Ukraine and they are on a straight path to not being a sovereign nation anymore.

I'll just say it right now: Proton was a mistake.

>>15703898
Filthy naked engines showing their plumbing. Delete this smut

NOW

>>15703611
>>15703677
These are shhit

>>15703923
How so?
I thought Surviving Mars was a very well-made game but it's not a genre I usually play so that's a super casual opinion.

>>15703928
the core game was playable but had some problems like dumb AI for colonists which means you have to micro them, the expansions make it actively more shit

>>15703951
Didn't play the expansions. Needing to micro colonists sounds like a (You) problem.

>>15703928

>>15703954
This was more or less my experience with it.

lol @ steamcucks and their forced updates, just pirate whatever version you want.

>>15703550
You are on your last chromosome bud.

Leonardo was sent up by shuttle Discovery 14 years ago. Its sister vessel, Raffaello, has been obtained by Axiom and will be a part of their station
>captcha: DRTMNT
kek

>>15703991
>width: 4.57m
The next moon lander is going to have double the girth of this. Insane.

>>15703991
Damn the ISS is actually huge once you remove all the shit

>>15703815
Uzbekistan is the only non-signatory (NOT non-ratifier) that has (or has had) a non-negligible aerospace industry.

>>15703952
not sure when you played, but I played a version were the hubs could be connected, but there were some wierd unintuitive limitations with them which in the end probably made the game worse compared to not having them at all

>the admin not shitting on Starlink to the press for once
She will be fired for this.

>>15703991
>Shuttle derived hardware

>>15703506
Anybody know if I can use ocean fires somewhere else not called space?

>>15704063
50 steps back, 0 steps forward. This administration is morally bankrupt and corruption is the norm. Don't take a single word. They're trying to promote an agenda

>>15704006
Shuttle was pretty roomy too

>>15703815
niger

>>15703963
Silence, namefag

There it is, clear as day. What's stopping some Space Coaster from shining a laser pointer at NGC1365

>>15703991
When will Axiom's space station be fully operational? Can anyone venture a rough timeline of future commercial space stations? Presumably a lot of it depends on Starship being available to provide the upmass and passenger capability, but how long will it take to get additional commercial space stations after that? Decades?

>>15704132
You dropped this, king: g

>>15704094
Is this guy retarded or is it me?

>>15704139
I'm not leveled up enough on /x/ to understand your post

>>15704181
kek

>>15703550
you've got it all wrong, this is not what Zeon Daikun would have wanted

>>15703514
was this intentional?

>no launches today

>>15704253
yeah

>new virgin galactic launch
>only 3 passengers
what went wrong?

>>15703798
Biden gets credit for not cancelling Trump era space policy.

>>15703611
pic related is fun but too easy since theres no fuel or power management

>>15704264
Are we now handing out credit for not destroying something that works? This is why this entire nation is going down hill, along with national spaceflight. Commercial reigns supreme because of you stupid fucks with low standards.

This is what winning looks like

>>15704287
although they really should have mentioned world first orbital rocket booster landing and reuse, and fastest launch cadence of a rocket in the world, be more proud of SpaceX and their accomplishments CIA, damn

>>15704287
hey wait a sec why don't they mention the football field sized red superluminal cuboid under our entry

>>15704297
they do mention it you just have to read between the lines

>>15704287
so where does the deep dive start?

>>15704286
Artemis was the first NASA Moon program to survive an admin transition.

>>15704323
Should be listed as a milestone here too >>15704287

>>15704323
Apollo did too

>>15703815
Probably Serbia. Third world countries are weirdly likely to sign stuff like this since it costs them nothing and gives them international legitimacy (also I suspect you picked random shitholes to flesh out the rest of the list and Serbia marginally stands out in that respect).

Also, the Moon Treaty is even funnier since not a single party to it has spaceflight capabilities. It's like landlocked countries agreeing on a naval treaty.

>>15704336
LBJ played a major role in making apollo happen when he was VP and by the time nixon was inaugurated apollo 8 had already happened and the landing was just months away

Peregrine in December, intuitive machines in November

How long will it take for both to reach the moon?

>>15703506
When will the big rocket fly?

>>15704348
probably very quickly if you're not doing da loopy loop like india

>>15704357
2 weeks

WHOOP WHOOP
PULL UP

What does the Delta-V requirement for a suborbital ballistic arc from the Earth's surface look like compared to a plane change and apogee/perigee altering burn initiated from orbit?

>>15704359
Luna-25 made it to the moon just a bit too fast. The loopty loops might be a good idea.

>>15704364
900
600
300
RETARD RETARD RETARD

>>15704348
IM-1 is its own ride to the moon with a methalox engine
It'll get there in six days

>>15704368
ask ksp

>>15704376
rude!

>>15704368
One requires you to basically stop orbiting for the plane change, the other doesn't even reach orbital velocity but has gravity losses and drag and atmospheric resistance to engine plume expansion
Which one is cheaper probably depends on the size of the plane change

>>15704388
Fuck it, balls to the wall: 90 degree plane change.

>>15703631
Cuck

since the earth is round does that mean everything thats been made to be flat relative to the ground actually has a slight curve

Vega launch soon

>>15704412
no
>>15704376

>>15703611
>early access
No thank you. I got burned on subnautica by playing it early access until I got to the unfinished parts. It ruined the experience. Wish I had just waited for the full release you end up having to do all the boring parts again trying to get to the good parts.

>>15704412
Yes, but whatever is being built has to cover enough ground where the curve of the earth kinda overtakes over the general unevenness of the local terrain.
AFAIK the Space shuttle runway was actually built to be truly flat.

>>15704392
>90 degree plane change
More than the orbital velocity at whatever altitude you're doing this, so much more than needed to get on a suborbital trajectory unless you're really far away from Earth.

>>15704471
That's more or less what I suspected. If that's the case, there aren't a lot of good reasons to attempt missile carrying spacecraft unless you expect to get into combat, rather than helpless satellite disabling and mop-up, with other spacecraft in high orbits.

>>15704416
Vega explosion soon

>>15704430
Cool thanks, I was slightly shitposting but I learned something

>>15704482
Are they still flying on Ukrainian engines?

What would you do if you were given full reign of Lunar Gateway in order to make it profitable? Consider long term usage.

>>15704430
you're thinking of the runway at the Kerbal Space Center (if you go to either end you'll roll towards the center), the real life Space Shuttle Runway is true to the curve of the earth

>>15704499
I would crash it into Tel Aviv

Nice my ban expired

theoretically how many how many falcon heavies would it take to conduct a manned moon mission? including refueling in LEO

>>15704573
3

>>15704579
then why don't we just do that?

>>15704585
write your congressman

>>15704585
cheaper to just get Starship working at this point, dev costs are bigger than launch costs and it's farther along than your theoretical moon lander

>>15704253
it was too small, they're gonna build a bigger one

>>15704570
do you have moar

>>15704585

>>15704595

>>15704570
>/sfg/

>>15704595
Different

>>15704287
All this and normies only know of apollo 11 and still think the shuttle is flying kek

>>15704573
>theoretically how many how many falcon heavies would it take to conduct a manned moon mission? including refueling in LEO

One, to carry an upgraded Crew Dragon to Lunar orbit in place of SLS-Orion.

>>15704364
Hydrogen got us to TLI, but hypergolics landed man on the Moon

>>15704595
I used have more, one of Saturn but the rings are made of skulls and another where an astronaut skeleton had it's suit window cracked open lying flat on the surface of the Moon but it seems like I deleted them. Anons help this man and post more if you have them.

>>15704610
here's what I've got

So lots of times rockets on wikipedia have their capabilities listed in the Quick Facts table. For example, 60 T to LEO, 27 T to GTO, 4 T to Pluto. But what the hell is TLI? It’s not a destination is it? If something can do 60 T to TLI is that just saying you can do 60 T to a free-return flyby or something? Some rockets list tonnage to Mars, for example, but other times it’s given as trans mars injection

>>15704633
TLI is a speed

>>15704633
>If something can do 60 T to TLI is that just saying you can do 60 T to a free-return flyby or something?
I mean, basically. You rarely have the same stage performing both injection and insertion so the mass a rocket can throw at the moon/mars/wherever is more useful for understanding its capability. It's basically what c3 graphs do.

Damn NSF made me think superheavy blew up because they randomly played a replay of the static fire

>>15704603
even less Americans probably even know Gateway is happening

>>15704573
There is nothing there it's just a waste of money.

https://youtu.be/Z8B2nBM0jFg?feature=shared

>>15704658
are you sure it wasn't a clickfarming crypto bot

>>15704687
It's the 24/7 starbase stream you boomer

>>15704693
so it WAS a clickfarming crypto bot

Government spending: $25.45 billion for NASA (2023); approximately $26.3 billion for military space activities, including US Space Force (2023)

US spending almost $50 Billion on space

>>15704698
>NASA
>space

>>15704698
Half the NASA money goes to zips-n-more in the middle of bumfuck nowhere because muh jobs, half the spook money is eaten up by defense contractors charging thousands of dollars for ITAR-compliant government-grade desk chairs and ball point pens.

>>15704721
Breaking news: voyager almost dies

>>15704721
>>>/pol/

>>15703512
Well duh when you dump money into the useless outdated SLS Boeing pork jobs program that congress kept funding even after Starship made it obsolete at 10% the cost.
SLS uses scavenged 40 year old tech from the shuttle program, isn't reusable, and typical of state run institutions; far overbudget, late, inferior, not reusable, and has a lower payload to orbit.
How many billions have been wasted on SLS jobs program now?
I cant wait until my surgeon and doctor is a state employee, Im sure that will work out just as well.

>>15703512
FUCK MARS

>>15704726
Hes right tho.
See>>15704734
SLS is a complete unnecessary waste of money and an inferior overpriced over budget failure. Congress literally admitted they were worried SpaceX would cost public jobs and funded it for that and for Boeing campaign donations.
And yes, when engineers deal with woke retards they leave and go somewhere they can solve actual real problems.
>t. Aerospace engineer
In this case the /pol/tard's point is very relevant to this discussion and he is awarded a point.

>>15704721
This
>Comments disabled
Hilarious that a government agency is allowed to block speech on an official social media channel. But im not surprised they are out of money.

>>15704725
Kek>>15704592

>>15704512
Hmmm
I remember something saying the shuttle landing strip was purposedly made flat, unless "corrected" in this instance means they actually want to follow the curve as much as possible.

The strip being flat in KSP is more of a side effect of the digital realm than an actual purposeful decision. You model a landing strip and naturally you make it flat and it stays flat because you don't have to worry about pesky things like actually building it.

>>15704610
>>15704595

>>15704592
Correct.
Its hilarious that the gov is suing spaceX, a defense aerospace company with high level national security concerns for "discriminating against those without permanent residency or citizenship".
>How dare they obey the laws!
The other hilarious civil suit by environmentalists and other smooth brained non engineers claiming starship harms the environmemt when Starship methane burning Raptor engines have 99% combustion efficiency, which means that pretty much all they emit are CO2 and water vapour, making them much cleaner than the industry standard RP1 burning engines that have a huge range of combustion by products thanks to the complex nature of the kerosene fuel stock.
This while Boeing/SLS program uses solid rocket boosters which use fuel held together by a binder, usually hydroxyl terminated polybutadiene (known as HTPB) or polybutadiene acrylonitrile (known as PBAN). Which makes the propellant into a rubbery like mixture.
This means they emit primarily aluminum oxide, soot or black carbon, CO2, hydrogen chloride, nitrogen oxides, hydrogen and a few other trace gases.
Its toxic as fuck but envoronmrntalists are suing to stop Starship?
Its almost as if Boeing and the current administration is politically targeting SpaceX, I wonder why? Who would have thought?
Im shocked sir, shocked!

>>15704775
you're either a robot or an NPC, spam somewhere else
just because your message is aligned with my own thoughts doesn't make it not annoying

>>15704777
>Relevant to thread
>literally aerospace engineer here dropping facts relevant to the conversation
>reeee stop spamming
Dude wtf is your problem and is anything I said spam, trolling, or incorrect in any way.
Ill wait.......
So why are you trolling me? Go back to /pol/ or /b/ or whatever and let adults who understand talk about spaceflight.

>>15704782
don't fucking reply to me

>>15704734
>>15704745
SLS buys congressional investment into Artemis. As long as the pork flows then we will be sending people to the Moon.

>>15704499
Propellant and supply depot. Basically turn it into a gas station. Hell you could probably do a licensing deal with a chain and make it like a Texaco/7-11

>>15704494
yes, they've got stocks for about 6 launches iirc

>>15704499
NASA doesn't care about profitable, you think the military cares about profitability?

>>15704253
clearly not, it falls on top of the excavator

>>15703798
Kennedybros... How do we respond to this?

serious question, how did Elon's hair grow back... he used to be a bald nigga in 2000

>>15704804
Money can buy a lot of transplanted hair from around the body. Ever wondered why when he has stubble, it's about as thick as a kid who just hit puberty?

>>15703815
Everyone signed the OST because it basically was an agreement not to pursue space victory, willingly, by the USA. Gotta be among the most retarded shit this country has done, it's completely self defeating

>>15704804
Hair transplant, finasteride, minoxidil, maybe HGH.

>>15704804
There are lots of shit you can do to regrow your hair. I am trying to recall what that one medication dudes are using off-label for the purpose, but it isn't Fin or Rogaine. I've seen lots of examples of it basically regrowing people's entire hairline and thickness back to where it used to be. Micro needling also seems to work because it stimulates blood flow. As does massaging the area several times a day.

>>15704816
RU-58441.

>>15704758
many thanks anons

>>15704573
same as SLS

>>15704585
t. anti-competitive monopolist who doesn't care about the welfare of other corporations

>>15704784
>>15704853
SLS is outdated and a waste of money and will not take us to the moon unless literal imbeciles make the call. It is literally a pork jobs program made obsokete by Starship. Objectively factual.
See>>15704745

>>15704784
is that worth sacrificing everything else?

>>15704698
We should give more money to the Space Force because clearly they care more about space than NASA

>>15704782
ignore the schizos please

https://www.space.com/woman-skydiver-stratosphere-parachute-jump-interview

https://europeanspaceflight.com/saxavord-does-not-need-spaceport-licence-to-launch-hyimpulse-mission/

https://spacenews.com/space-development-agencys-data-transport-satellites-get-more-complex/

> SDA’s Tranche 2 Transport Layer Beta satellites will have ‘direct to weapon’ links
direct to weapon? like artillery/rocket artillery?

Anyone who criticizes SLS should be sued for millions in a libel lawsuit

>>15704345
Thats great. The worst President in history, a closet extreme racist and mass murderer, a war criminal, whose Great Society literally set in motion the decline that lead directly to our current 2020s post Constitutional-republic tech police state via a seriously degraded manufacturing capacity, national bankruptcy, immigrant induced wage worker suppression, critical theory based identity schemas and resulting worsening internal divisions.
Im glad he did one good thing tho thanks anon.

https://spacenews.com/transastra-claims-nasa-contract-for-debris-capture-bag/

> “We originally developed this small capture bag prototype to demonstrate asteroid mining in low-Earth orbit with a synthetic asteroid,” Joel Sercel, TransAstra founder and CEO, told SpaceNews. “But we subsequently realized this is the greatest thing ever for orbital debris cleanup.”

> “If I have to fly out to an object, capture it, go to a short life orbit, then come back to my operational altitude, that requires a huge amount of propellant consumption,” Sercel said. “It’s better to capture multiple pieces of debris on a single mission.”

> A recent study completed by TransAstra and space infrastructure startup ThinkOrbital proposes transporting debris or defunct satellites to an on-orbit processing plant.

> The proposed ThinkPlatform would be about 37 meters in diameter with a volume of 4,000 cubic meters. ThinkOrbital plans to equip the ThinkPlatform with tools for inspecting, repairing and recycling objects.

>>15704878
In the long term this makes decent sense. Right now in space manufacturing is nonexistent. But it makes sense to try and use the computer parts and metal that have already been launched into space rather than paying a bunch of money to launch new stuff. It's just that right now launching new stuff is cheaper

Do you watch rocket launches with your wife/gf/bf/parents/anime bodypillow?

>>15704863
What has been sacrificed? NASA isn't given a bag of money to divey up as they see fit.

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/08/virgin-galactics-president-explains-how-vss-unity-is-now-flying-frequently/

interview with Mike Moses

> Michael P. Moses is an American aerospace engineer and aerospace industry executive. He was the Space Shuttle program Launch Integration Manager from 2008 until the conclusion of the program in 2011.[1] Moses joined Virgin Galactic in 2011 as vice president of operations and was named president in 2016.[2]

>>15704886
In theory they don't, but congress is never going to compartmentalize SLS and planetary exploration like that. Every time SLS gets a budget increase, other programs get cut. See Commercial Cargo, commercial crew, hell they even tried to completely cut NASAs education outreach money a few years back (no more nasa tv).

>>15704883
yeah, a long process to commercialize this though and there really isn't that much material to salvage in earth orbit really
salvaging megaconstellation sats like starlink instead of deorbiting them at some point would be a feedstock I guess

>>15704892

>>15704884
Yes, I make my wife watch launches with me. I'm going to manufacture a reason to visit Texas to watch a starship launch once they're happening regularly.

>>15704899

>>15704903
> A view of VSS Unity's nozzle after the Galactic 02 flight.

> Ars: I don't think these vehicles were optimized for reuse, were they?

> Mike Moses: They weren't optimized for that. We've been modifying them over the years... Folks who come to our company [often] say the same thing, that Scaled Composites built these vehicles as prototypes. Yes. But we spent the last 10 years changing it from a prototype into a low-rate operational vehicle. That was the point of all the maintenance we've been doing on them.

>>15704868
Oh look, another muh womens participation followup after a man dared to do it years earlier and prove it was safe.

https://twitter.com/StarfishSpace/status/1696544868536049773

>>15704914
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLWut6TFJBs&

>>15704917

>>15704895
>but congress is never going to compartmentalize SLS and planetary exploration like that

NASA sends congress a compartmentalized budget request every year and congress increases or decreases those numbers as they see fit.

>>15704921
https://twitter.com/StarfishSpace/status/1686459110420819968

Does anyone have the virgin galactic trolley problem meme where it goes

>you are Michael Alsbury
>you unlocked the tail boom while travelling at mach 0.92
>why did you do that?

>>15704924
https://twitter.com/buildingMadrid/status/1696546536367464533

https://www.geekwire.com/2023/starfish-space-magnetism-rescue-otter-pup/

>>15704924
Took long enough to solve tumbling with magnetic field interactions

>>15704926

>>15704798
Kennedy killed orion. The best POTUS was Nixon. He played 6D chess that got us Starship

>>15704927

>>15704931
thanks bro been looking for that one for like years

>>15704927
Holy shite so they were able to stop a one rotation per second craft by activating and deactivating internal electromagnets in conjunction with earth’s magnetic field. That’s pretty based
>Kent, WA
There gonna get a huge buyout from Blue Who, the company that’s trying to acquisition their way to orbit lmao

>15704932
bad bait, laid it on too thick

>>15704924
Is there any reason you couldn't push/pull on the magnetic field for infinite free dv?

>>15704812
space victory sounds expensive

>>15704948
I wanna know too, why wouldn't this work for propulsion or deorbiting

>>15704948
>>15704960
You're not going to get much dv by mechanically flapping a satellite's wings.

>>15704962
That makes sense

>>15704948
no
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_sail

>>15704965
For example, a sky diver can stop an uncontrolled spin by contorting his body. He's not going to change direction, though.

>>15704968
not the same thing

>>15704873
SLS is a decade late, billions over budget, less payload to orbit, non reusable, far dirtier for the environment, and far more expensive in terms of per flight costs as well as developmental costs to the taxpayer. It really is a no brainer to pull the plug on it if we are entering a period of austerity and recession.
It is obsolete.

>>15703898
Bottom picture is the most thrust ever produced and is extremrly based.
I understand your comparison, more possible points of failure. From what I understand the Starship booster FCS does have the ability to toggle and comoensate for multi engine failures and still make orbit.
I am interested to see it fly.

>>15704412
Depends on if you use a laser or wayer/bubble level but yes.

>>15704993
More points of failure yes, but also massively redundant. If you had an engine go out on Saturn V for example it would be game over but on starship one engine out is meh whatever

Why not use reusable side boosters, that cross feed into a reusable core?
Like falcon heavy but with no second stage?
This way you could use the core engines for the duration of the flight and they wouldn't be dead weight until stage sep.

I have basically never seen this proposed outside of 'dolphin sex' spaceplane proposals.
I'm guessing because for a long time the alternative was Bono style buttplug designs that wouldn't work well together in a horizontal stack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97jvlqj33fE

>15703895 /pol/nik status: trolled
>>15704341
nope, chad didn't sign it. I was playing the game I described, just running through the list of countries I could remember that seemed baclwater shithole-y enough tohave not signed. Also, what the fuck is Burkina Faso? literally a landlocked african country with a population barely even double the largest city in my state, but apparently they saw fit to sign the OST.
>>15704132
niger signed it, chad didn't. meme material?
>>15704812

>>15705001
Exactly what Im saying anon. The flight control system can also stabilize it with the change in pressure distribution on the thrust bell caused by an engine failure.
The redundancy is the massive thrust provided as you pointed out.
Just a beautiful example of cutting edge aerospace engineering.

>>15704945
Not really supposed to be bait, more of a shitpost lol. My reasoning was based on how he is often attributed to Saturn V dying, shuttle turning retarded halfway through the design process, and about 50 years of setbacks that eventually lead do SpaceX succeeding as it is now. Nothing like starship could have come form the gooberment. It needed to be private. So you could (arguably, I’ll admit) say that nixon inadvertently set up back but also set us up for success
Btw shoutout to pete conrad who saw the writing on the wall and believed commercial space was the future before anyone else was even thinking about it

>>15705006
Added weight and complexity. Think about how many tank walls for the fuel.
Better to bundle them if you are doing what StarShip is trying to do in terms of payload and velocity.
Not to mention the reduced frontal cross sectional area, stagnation pressure, and pressure drag I would expect in a boosted design layout.

>>15704878
They can't recycle shit on earth, what makes them think they can do it in space

>>15705010

>>15704985
counterpoint: it works.

>>15705029
Starship may someday come about. It’s on the drawing board right now.

>>15705012
The Chad Niger vs The Niger Chad

>>15705027
>spacex packing up and leaving

its over, the beatles won

>>15704962
*much dV QUICKLY
it's a little like ion or photon drives with low acceleration and high potential totals

>>15704948
the real issue is you'll be way outside the magnetic field long before you could build up dV to something useful, and the whole thing's going to take stupidly long even then. you're probably even better off recreating the Pioneer anomaly at that point

>>15705022
All that and it still came down to a deputy administrator making a gut check when nobody was paying attention and assuming Boeing had it in the bag

>>15705045
lol I forgot about that. Fuuuuuck boeing they tried to pull an internal sneaky

>>15705025
When they say "recycling," they're talking about grinding shit up to make propellant.

unrelated but if I hear another normie calling other star systems "solar systems" I am going to loose my shit

>>15704920
/pol/ fundamentally does not understand how budgets work
these are the people who bought that "JWST is 88 billion dollars over budget" meme despite the fact it only cost about 12 billion total, start to finish - meaning the claimed budget was negative 76 billion dollars.

they just follow their own herd but think themselves "independent" because other herds are going in the opposite direction. contrarians aren't terribly cognitively complex

>>15705029
>it works
Its a less complex space shuttle that is more expensive and inferior, its a 40-50 year old design or something. We obviously know it works.

>>15705059
if i hear another midwit calling a planetary system a "star system" i'm going to loosen your shits myself

>>15705067
some stars don't have planets though

>>15705041
>you'll be way outside the magnetic field long before you could build up dV to something useful,
thats wherre the e-sail kicks in, in fact, forget the magnetic field pushing, you want to exit a magnetic field as fast as possible with that

>>15705059
are you going to start your period if we use solar panels powered by another star one day too?

What are the minimum requirements for a barebones asteroid redirect mission for a 10 km diameter rocky or metallic asteroid, and what's the cheapest option to redirect it towards Earth?

>>15705077
depends how long you are willing to wait.

>>15705074
They will be called stellar panels and you will be happy

>>15705010
big fan of Mauricio's new thumbnails. he looks so goofy pointing over his shoulder in different colors of the same shirt

>>15704892
>Space Shuttle
It's ogre

>>15705083
Nah Ill keep saying solar because itll remind me of home

Reminder that Earth, not Mars, will develop the asteroid belt

>>15705083
*photovoltaic cell

>>15705086
>itll remind me of home
you won't ever see another star system in your life and if do somehow live long enough you will be on one of the first ships that gets lost and never reaches it's destination.

>>15705089
wait a sec could you just shine a uv light at a panel to power itself
are troll physics real

>>15705095
>autist enters the thread
wow I had no idea I would never go to another system.
tell your mom you owned me buddy

>>15705087
What about delta-v from the surface.

>>15704884
Usually alone or with plushies, sometimes with my family when I'm over, sometimes with my bodypillow

>>15705083
fuck the concept artists that drew these and make them look dangerously cool
these pics actually made the government stiffs cancel everything cool nasa was making
because le hecking cool space planes are futuristic looking in the concepts

>>15705096

>>15705084
>Haha that's crazy can you imagine that
>Looks in closet
>Exactly 8 identical (except color) shirts for each shirt type (Oxford, polo, T-shirt, long sleeve T-shirt, sleeveless shirt, wool sweater) excluding technical apparel.
Yeah.

>>15705103
thats based

>>15705099
Doesn't matter if it takes twice as long to get anywhere. This is actually why we should colonize Venus orbit and use plasma magnet sails to reach the outer system from the moon or LVO - shorter synods and energetic trajectories. Mars is a bit of a dead end unless you have torch drives.

>>15705095
>he doesn't know about indefinite life extension

>>15705095
>you won't ever see another star system in your life
lmao this retard doesn't know how to look up at night

>>15705104
The only thing that would make it more based would be eight identical outfits but I'm not on that level yet.

>>15705105
Makes the moon seem pretty attractive.

>>15705109
based eyesight enjoyer

>>15705109
kek. I still get giddy looking at a star in a telescope even if it barely changes

>>15705081
>>15705077
That sounds less barebones than sprinkling some shit on the asteroid to fuck with its albedo

>>15705095
>one of the first ships that gets lost
lmao how? There’s nothing in you’re way and you can see it from anywhere. Plus we’ve know how to navigate by stars since before we knew how to write.

>>15705111
whoa howd they do that to the moon

>>15705101
This is the cool based shuttle that could have been, not the cringe lame shuttle that was actually built with 1970s budgeting.

>>15705027
>>15705040
the beetles ate the bottom of the midbay? wtf

>>15705120
for me it's TBD

>>15705117
Your engines could fail at some disadvantageous moment that makes it very difficult for someone to come rescue you. For example, you leverage a gravity assist that is only available once every hundred years and then your engines die.

>>15705099

>>15705111
It is. The moon is the best interorbital spaceport and vacuum+gravity industrial site in the solar system. The reason people focus on Earth's Lagrange points for spinhabs is they offer 1g, permanent 1AU sunlight, and close proximity to both Earth and the Moon. They're really good spots that happen to be close by. I suspect manned exploration of the outer system will be a mix of interstellar precursor runs and nuclear powered ice/rock miners rather than mass colonization.

I read a quote, saying that an obsession with space is just escapism for those we don't want to face the "real world problems". How true is this quote for you fellas? For me it was quite accurate

>>15705120
Forget the rats; it's the stainless steel beetles you have to look out for.

>>15705128
Space colonization is the only solution to finite planetary resources that doesn't involve crushing enforced poverty or murdering billions of people. The tech is being built and I'm working in the industry to help it along.

>>15705129
rats aren't a problem. they never clear them out of falcon's engines and it always makes it to orbit ok.

>>15705128
real world problems will exist no matter what. go to bed apu

>>15705045
>>15705051
What's this about?

>>15705129
>steel termites

fuck, can you imagine, we would be so fucked

>>15705128
Escape is a perfectly legitimate option for dealing with the intolerable state of affairs, and was the human norm until the whole world was mapped and inhabited and we decided that kicking out whoever's already there wasn't okay anymore.

>>15704884
I forced my university class to watch the Starship launch

>>15704924
Couldn't this be used to have LEO satellites that never decay?

>>15705148
No. LEO satellites need propulsion to reboost to counter atmospheric drag, like the ISS.

>>15705136
is it not pessimistic to be dissuaded by the quantity of tasks that need to be done?
>>15705141
why not work on creating a tolerable state of living.
>>15705134
I like to tell myself that as well. Sure in the long term it is a necessity. Still I find that there are more pressing matters at hand, and that solving them first would help us progress faster. All of space just feels like 1 cope to me now. The joy is out of it.

>>15705126
crazy that you actually have this, although it's a very confusing chart.

if i'm reading it correctly it implies roughly half the deltaV from Mars surface to Ceres compared to earth surface to Ceres.

>>15705128
We gave up the Moon to focus on "real world problems". Where did that get us?

>>15705150
>why not work on creating a tolerable state of living.
The only way you can achieve the tolerable state of living is to stop being forced to live under an intolerable state of rules. The only means this can be done is through capture of bureaucracy, in which case you're the very thing you aimed to destroy, or you fuck off and ask everyone to leave you alone. The fuckheads making things intolerable are all the little authoritarian shits running up and down academia and government.

>>15705150
dude it's a sisyphusian reality, you solve one problem on earth and 100 pop up. Look at the stars tonight and calm down amd stop being a defeatist

>>15705148
>>15705149
electrodynamic tethers can raise orbits with just electrical current pushing against the geomagnetic field
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrodynamic_tether

>>15705150
The only way to permanently solve most of our problems on Earth is strategic nuclear bombardment. Nobody has the balls to do that as of now.

>>15705171
Ill do it. Im highly impulsive. I dont own a gun because Id shoot myself to win an argument.

>>15704752
>Hilarious that a government agency is allowed to block speech on an official social media channel.
They probably can't but no one has bothered to sue NASA over their social media intern doing it.

>>15705183
There's actually legal precedent that they can't from someone suing Trump.

>>15705128
It’s half true I guess. I’ve been obsessed with space since I was a wee lad. I guess Im still in love with it (in part) because I see it as an escape from this shitty world that only seems to be getting way, way worse.
But the other half is undeniably just a pure autistic fascination with chemistry, geology, the history of spaceflight, funny news article dumps and insight scoops from berger and foust and davensport and sheetz, etc. It’s a very versatile “hobby” to be involved with and I’ve met some of the funniest/most interesting people in my life involved with it including random anons here over the years

>>15705135
total rat death

>>15705128
Sounds like something pathetic Earthnoids would say to escape from the real challenges of colonizing the solar system and then the galaxy.

>>15705138
Read Lori Garver's memoir and search old news articles for the guy who quit after he was caught rigging the bid for Boeing

>>15705172
If you were really impulsive you'd go out and buy a gun right now, but clearly you're exaggerating and won't do that.

>>15705211
My laziness is constantly countering it

>>15705211
Great idea!

>>15705128
"real world problems" is just code for subsaharans and normalizing sexual abuse of children
it's up to you to decide what's important to you and which problems are significant

>>15705138
The qrd is that Doug Loverro, head of human spaceflight at the time, got fired for blatantly telling Boeing what other competitors for HLS were pricing their bids at. It was supposed to be a blind competition. The whole point was “just give us your lander bid and your price.” But boeing, being the love child of NASA, thought they could get away with asking what others were bidding to try and hit a soft spot of ‘asking for a lot of money but still being reasonable enough to get the contract’
Well. Someone found out this happened. I can’t remember the exact details but it was hilarious when news broke. Loverro got fired/quit or whatever, was probed by the Justice Department (who ended up not doing anything because everyone in congress is in bed with boeing anyways) and yeah Boeing went on to not get selected into the next round of bidding which just made congress mad but fuck fuck them all

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1696582832276066413
>At the NAC science committee meeting, Suzanne Dodd of JPL shows this chart of the impacts of Artemis 1 on the Deep Space Network. The eight cubesat missions consumed nearly as much time as Orion itself; science missions and DSN maintenance lost lots of time.
>Dodd, on the Artemis 1 cubesats and their demand on DSN: don't know who thought it was a good idea to add them. Cubesats have a place, but not on the DSN on these missions.

https://spacenews.com/nasa-deep-space-network-reaches-critical-point-as-demand-grows/
>“When Artemis comes online, everybody else moves out of the way, and it’s an impact to all the science missions,” said Suzanne Dodd, director of the interplanetary network directorate at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory, during an Aug. 29 meeting of the NASA Advisory Council’s science committee.

We're going to lose contact with the rest of the solar system when we start launching manned mission back to the moon, aren't we?

>>15705209
Oh that's what you mean, Boeing's failed HLS bid (IIRC that was the one that was laughed out of the room anyways, or was "Never submit anything this stupid again" something else still?). The posts were just vague enough that I didn't understand what situation was being referred to here.

>>15705222
Yeah I just didn't understand what they were alluding to, I do remember this lol, good times. Nice trips.

>>15705226
damn, if only they could build more radio telescopes

>>15705226
Oooh I just finished reading an article on this. Deep space communication is hard, unironically. And I wonder what the solution will be in the near future especially if human activity ramps up at the Moon and Mars. Surely a purely ground-based network is just a product of the early mercury/gemini/apollo space days right? NASA needs to ask congress for the money to ensure a starlink (or starlink-like) solar system communications network or something

>>15705228
the never submit anything this stupid again was aimed at how high the initial blue orign hls was.

>>15705226
I've been saying for years that the next best startup opportunity is a private DSN

I'm surprised no one has gone for it yet

>>15705239
I doubt that

>>15705232
I think the vague and general plan is to use deep space laser relays to handle the heavy lifting between near-Earth and everywhere else. That way we can use the same infrastructure that we have for talking to GEO assets for talking to assets on Mars.

>>15705238
MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD

>>15705243
You think with the Arabs, Japan and all the other minor powers trying deep space missions without global coverage they wouldn't pay for dish time? Hell the Chinese don't even have global coverage, or the Russians, or the Indians

>>15705226
Space communication needs to be outlawed until we can figure out what the hell is going on

>>15705232
Just like everything else, it will be a clusterfuck, scam startups take vc bux and government gibs, government tries its own thing which ends up being a bad joke, SpaceX steps in and sorts it out in 6 months.

https://www.aerospacetestinginternational.com/news/technology/can-airships-make-a-comeback.html#prettyPhoto

Airshipbros im thinking we;'re back

>>15705238
damn hurricina idalia is crazy

>>15705282
They're building boats with airfoils these days, time for the zeppelins

>>15705288
They're also building tiltrotor planes to fly from naval decks replacing the Blackhawk (picrel), turboprop Catalinas, and DARPA is funding ground-effect flying boat cargo planes, while the Marines practice dispersed island warfare and apply rocket/missile artillery lessons from the Ukraine war. Pacific island war kino is back on the menu.

Look at how fucking cool this is.

>>15705288
>>15705302
>>15705308
/sfg/ - Seafaring General

>>15705309
Rockets launch from the beach and are often shipped (back) to the launch site by water. The sea and the stars are inseparable - even Russia launches over water these days at Vostochny.

>>15705308
Twin fuselages piss me off. So much parasite drag...

>>15705315
You get parasitic drag with sponsons anyway on a flying boat. You might as well get usable cargo volume in exchange.

>>15705317
Just bomb the hell out of the enemy and send in bulky stuff by ship.

Vibe check

>>15705315
>On 27 February 1947, P-82B, named Betty Jo and flown by Colonel Robert E. Thacker, made history when it flew nonstop from Hawaii to New York without refueling, a distance of 5,051 mi (8,129 km) in 14 hr 32 min. It averaged 347.5 mph (559.2 km/h). This flight tested the P-82's range. The aircraft carried a full internal fuel tank of 576 US gal (2,180 L; 480 imp gal), augmented by four 310 US gal (1,200 L; 260 imp gal) tanks for a total of 1,816 US gal (6,870 L; 1,512 imp gal). Colonel Thacker did not drop three external tanks when their fuel was expended, either because of an oversight,[4] or because they were stuck due to a mechanical glitch.[5] This remains the longest nonstop flight ever made by a propeller-driven fighter, and the fastest time in which such a distance has ever been covered in a piston-engine aircraft.
How did he poop?

>>15705319
The idea is that these are ground effect planes that can slide in under the radar without being vulnerable to attack subs.

>>15705325
It's only 14 hours. Should be fine, especially if you eat very little before hand.

>>15705315
>So much parasite drag
it was the fastest piston engine aircraft ever put into production outside of germany, so whatever drag you're complaining about couldn't have been too big of a problem

>>15705314
also Ariane

>>15705349
The P-51H it's based on is faster.

There was supposed to be a static fire of the Ariane 6 today, no news...

>>15705358
>French rocketboat surrenders to underwater pirates

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OohG8oNG7s
proof reusable rockets are a pipe dream

>s31 already being prepped for stack
Wtf bros so fast.

This is probably a question asked a million times before, but would developing a spaceship that can take off and land horizontally (as in, like an airplane that just slowly climbs up and up) cut out a huge amount of the risk that comes with sending humans into space?

>>15705394
The Falcon 9 is a direct refutation of this lecture.

>>15705398
The problem is creating an engine that can lift a plane off the runway and function at high altitude. Read about the U2 spy plane program.

>>15705395
Yes, Space Exploration Technologies Incorporated are breaking records of sitting on the pad with hardware doing nothing. Truly, the power of commercial aerospace

>>15705394
>2017
predates any reused falcons being flown so it's not worth watching

>>15705398
You're only moving the risk from takeoff to main engine ignition at 40000ft

>>15705406
Bait used to be believable.

>>15705401
>>15705407
>Problem is: given a) SpaceX's Falcon 1 performance to date b) the leap that Falcon 9 represents over Falcon 1 c) our own experience developing, building and launching low-cost (or at least as low as we know how to) launch vehicles and d) our complete ignorance of the methodology that SpaceX uses to achieve their advertised pricing, we simply cannot rely on SpaceX being able to deliver.
>I sincerely mean no disrespect for SpaceX or Mr. Musk. I admire and salute what they are trying to do. Our business would benefit from their success. But, given my 20 years and 52 launches experience trying to develop, build and fly LVs on the cheap, I don't see, I simply cannot see how they can do it.
Refute this

>>15705410
Anon… people were laughing at musk even after he started landed orbital boosters. This isn’t me being edgy or going for some sort of revisionist history. I guarantee you every single autist in this general who followed space flight at the time (me included) thought it was novel at best, and retarded at worst.

>>15705410
I need to see a published statement taking responsibility for that massive L

>>15705410
Goes to show experience is no guarantee of accuracy

>>15705412
There were also the people who were sure that this would lead to a revolution in spaceflight. The scoffers were quick to point out how none of those landed boosters reflew... and then that they never reflew more than once. Then they started flying regularly, and everyone started asking why nobody else was trying to do what SpaceX was doing, because by the time SpaceX got it working, it was 2019 and everyone was five or so years into the development of their expendable Falcon 9 competitor with no capacity or will to change course.

>>15705398
Not really. Modern rockets are very safe anyway; something like Falcon 9 Dragon could realistically launch every week for the next 10 years without a fatal accident.

>>15705394
This bitch deserved to watch his company get digested into a Northrop subsidiary

>>15705410
>my 20 years and 52 launches
That's 2.6 launches per year you apathetic hack.

>>15705419
The people who thought it was a game changer are the same people who still champion bezos and branson. All I’m trying to say is that there was a point where even the most well-informed autist who nowadays loved SX didn’t believe in it. It really wasn’t until the FH demo that a lot of heads began to turn
I think people forget just how much of an uphill battle Musk put his company through. He was not taken seriously for a very long time

>>15705413
>>15705421
i found it amusing that the last post this guy ever made on nsf forums was a half-hearted "best wishes" post after CRS-7 exploded

>>15705423
I don't know who else feels like this, but it seems like NSF's value as a forum fell off a cliff with the flight of Starhopper.

>>15705427
yeah, before it was full of engineers. i think most of them fled or moved to L2. now it's chock full of total sycophantic drooling retards (and run by them too)

>>15705423
"We're all in this together," say the Minotaur and Pegasus, in 2015, at which point neither of them had launched in nearly two years.

>>15705410
>>15705394
Frightening to imagine how this was conventional wisdom among all aerospace for decades. so much wasted time and potential

>>15705427
I get all my info from /sfg/.

>>15704908
I look at women's first as more a single that X is now refined and safe rather than an accomplishment

no rawket launches from florida for awhile i guess

>Starship operational on both Texas and Florida
>hurricane season comes
>Florida launches not likely for a week or so
>SpaceX ship the payload to Texas and launch from there

Gonna be real neat for them to have two east coast launch sites

>>15705442
Pending damage assessment. Fortunately it's coming in on the other side of the peninsula. Stay safe, Floridabros

>>15705447
>forecast Category 4
>first time ones ever hit that region

I hate climate change i hate climate change

>>15705430
Well, if they've found somewhere else to flee, they're doing a pretty good job of keeping it under wraps to avoid a repeat of that fate.

>>15705444
Irrelevant storm. Ive weathered worse with my power still on (thank you for burying the cables FPL)

>>15705433
I really have to wonder what the philosophy of "old space" is where they couldn't fathom some company like SpaceX.
I don't claim to know anything about how they do business or how spacex does business but it's getting scary how many people where (or still are) in outright denial in an industry that should be cutting edge.

Is it a dogmatic rejection of mass manufacturing? Putting engineering hours above all else? Or is it as simple as, things have always been done a certain way and they just don't realize that other things are possible?

>>15705449
Hello glownigger, did you think we already forgot about Irma? Not falling for the climate change meme.

>>15705006
>I have basically never seen this proposed outside of 'dolphin sex' spaceplane proposals.
i think the UR-700 was supposed to use it too. it's not that uncommon for paper rockets.

>>15705462
imra didnt hit bag end

>>15705461
Extremely risk averse. They won’t do anything until they’ve triple checked that their i’s are dotted and t’s are crossed. They’d just as soon shoot themselves as pull an SN8.
And they still rake in bank for it so they’re not enticed to change.

>>15705461
NASA basically ossified after the Shuttle design was finalized. Challenger nearly killed it forever.
>ASTP to STS-1: six years
>STS-1 to STS-135: thirty years
>STS-135 to SpaceX Demo-2: ten years
We went 46 years between American manned flights of things that were not a Space Shuttle. In that kind of environment attempting to innovate IRL was at best useless and at worst would get you fired so people just retreated into idle project proposals, computer simulations, and increasingly fanciful scifi.

>>15705322
>aerodynamic control on reentry? who needs it!

>>15705461
Nah, that is a post from 2007, peak GFC bubble

No one had yet to witness the irrational power of virtually free venture capital money to distort markets. SpaceX was a billions-of-dollars bet that the technologies it was applying to spacecraft construction (3D-printing especially) would make it cheaper than the competition

In came SpaceX with a financial wrecking ball to the idea that rockets should only be built with a customer lined up using only proven technology (NASA's risk avoidance strategy, in other words). Not only was SpaceX its own customer (Starlink), it had a plan that, if it worked, was guaranteed to make it the cheapest launch provider in the world. All they had to do was execute, and that's what they did

>>15705461
>Or is it as simple as, things have always been done a certain way and they just don't realize that other things are possible?
that's all it is. people who have been in an industry for decades of nothing new happening decide over time that it must be impossible for anything new to happen. it's not a philosophy, just a lack of imagination.

>>15705476
It could have been avoided if the astronaut corps accepted autonomous shuttle flight, they were responsible for this partially

Autonomous shuttle flight finally happened after Columbia btw, but obviously too late

>>15705480
and they deserve their fucking success as a result, they earned that shit, that's why calls from ignorant & clueless morons to "nationalize spacex" make me so fucking mad

>>15705491
They just want to loot Elon. It's not a serious consideration that's legal for the US government to do.

how many of the Apollo landings required humans at the controls? 11 would have been sort of fine just in some boulders right

>>15705491
Also it can't be overstated how important it was they started with basic-bitch kerolox before working on the fancy stuff

How come they still haven’t figured out a way to tow the LHC out of here?

>>15705120
RVG got a pic of one of the beetles

>>15705410
>given my 20 years and 52 launches experience trying to develop, build and fly LVs on the cheap, I don't see, I simply cannot see how they can do it
lol, now here sits Musk with 20 years and 258 launches

>>15705531
asus routers are just getting stupid

>>15705514
the surveyor probes only went 5/7 for landings and that was with a much simpler descent program. apollo 14 would've certainly failed without astronauts to deal with the software and radar failures.

Lol, lmao even

>>15705558
>nasaniggers can only brag about their van being better than russias
the absolute state. commercial spaceflight reigns supreme.

>>15705394
Can I get a summary on this? I don't want to waste an hour

>>15705565
Don't bother. Complete waste of time.

>>15705565
Seething, coping and dilating I would assume.

>>15705565
The video titled "Public Lecture #6 - Pegasus! by Antonio Elias (Orbital ATK)" was uploaded by the channel "Caltech Space Challenge" on April 10, 2017. The video has a duration of 63 minutes and has garnered 543 views.

Unfortunately, the video does not have subtitles, and I cannot provide a detailed transcript of the content. If you need more specific details or have other questions, please let me know!

>>15705480
>All they had to do was execute, and that's what they did
Very inspirational SpaceX. Very cool.

>>15705591
It's really funny hearing about it in hindsight but that was how the company worked

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOWakxXjotg&t=163s

leaked_ula_employee_seethe.wav

>>15705586
Based AI replier. Fucking stupid lazy zoomers asking us to watch that torture for them.

>>15705394
Anyone got that boomer lecture by some Pegasus guy that was in denial/coping about how they would still be relevant? It got posted to /sfg/ ages ago.

Why did this livery go so hard?

>>15705612
it's no pizza hut proton

>>15705559
Eh, it's a cute little van. I can't hate it.

>>15705612
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-satellite_weapon#Soviet_Union
>Testing resumed in 1976 as a result of the US work on the Space Shuttle. Elements within the Soviet space industry convinced Leonid Brezhnev that the Shuttle was a single-orbit weapon that would be launched from Vandenberg Air Force Base, manoeuvre to avoid existing anti-ballistic missile sites, bomb Moscow in a first strike, and then land.[14] Although the Soviet military was aware these claims were false,[citation needed] Brezhnev believed them and ordered a resumption of IS testing along with a Shuttle of their own. As part of this work the IS system was expanded to allow attacks at higher altitudes and was declared operational in this new arrangement on 1 July 1979. However, in 1983, Yuri Andropov ended all IS testing and all attempts to resume it failed.[15] Ironically, it was at about this point that the US started its own testing in response to the Soviet program.

LMAO

>>15705646
Not even the most wasteful byproduct of cold war paranoia

Man, what the fuck was wrong with General Dynamics engineers?

>>15705662
>cost $15,000,000,000
>declared operational October 1, 1975
>House of Representatives decommissions it by vote October 2, 1975
AMERICA

>>15705663
It was a missile that got hacked into being a launch vehicle. They turned into a real rocket once they got a chance to.

>>15705663
A lot of the weirder looking early US rockets were driven by their lack of engine designs (a lot of upper stages were solid-only)

>>15705663
behold the orbital cotton swab

>LITERALLY a metal tube
How can it be that hard in rocketry? You can't fuck up or over complicate an actual tube.

>>15705665
What is this thing?

>>15705663
Mmmm

>>15705670
Unfortunately you have to slightly complicate the tube, because a standard uncomplicated tube is too weak

>>15705663

lunar death duels using RTG sources mounted on the end of poles

>>15705670
Am I missing something? Did some company screw up a metal tube for ESA or something?

>>15705672
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_R._Mickelsen_Safeguard_Complex

Oh shit, did anyone tell Clear about this https://www.nasa.gov/feature/nasa-invites-digital-content-creators-to-cover-psyche-launch/

>>15705684
Applies to any rocket. SLS. Falcon Heavy. Starship.

SLS isn't as small as I thought
Comparison graphs don't really give good perspective
Soyuz is next to be extruded

>>15705713
remember that's pre stretch SH. Didn't elon say they're lengthening it by 10 more meters?

>>15705713
It is fucking small when you consider it uses the least dense fuel in the universe.

>>15705713
I remember that painting, it's on the wall in the press building at KSC

>>15705713
you 3D printed these?

>>15705716
If he did, it won't be for a while I would think.
They already kludged the ship QD once already because of the hot stage ring. I doubt they would be so quick to kludge it again.

>>15705726
Yes but that's all I did. I don't take credit for the models.

>>15704868
1200 jumps is not that many in the skydiving world.

>>15705749
where'd you get the models from? I'm building my printer soon and I'd like to make it the first thing I print

Lander https://twitter.com/isro/status/1696791144154513550

>>15705570
it's somewhat entertaining

>>15705608
are u bein a wise guy

>>15705793
shit's fallin off all over, damn.