/sci/ - Science & Math

https://spacenews.com/north-koreas-spy-satellite-launch-fails-again/

>SEOUL, South Korea — North Korea said Aug. 24 its second attempt to launch a spy satellite ended in failure due to an “error in the emergency blasting system” during the third-stage flight.

> The failed launch came about three months after the nation’s first attempt failed in May, when the new carrier rocket Chollima-1 crashed into the sea soon after liftoff. North Korea called the error “not a big issue in the aspect of the reliability of cascade engines and the system,” vowing to make another attempt in October, according to the North’s state-run Korean Central News Agency (KCNA).

> The Chollima-1 rocket lifted off from a launch site in Tongchang-ri in North Pyongan Province at 2:40 p.m. Eastern Aug. 23 (or 3:50 a.m. Aug. 24 local time), the first day of the pre-announced week-long launch window, according to South Korea’s Joint Chiefs of Staff. The rocket flew southward, carrying a military reconnaissance satellite, Malligyong-1. It travelled above international waters between mainland China and the Korean Peninsula and crashed into an undisclosed location east of the Philippines, according to South Korea’s military. It did not reveal the presumed crash sites of the rocket’s boosters, payload fairing and others.

No static fire today

https://payloadspace.com/indias-lunar-landing-sends-space-stocks-soaring/

>>15691015
is this launch what the japs were freaking out over? fucks sake it was publicly announced ahead of time, stupid island monkeys

Is hot staging a cope? I kinda feel like it's a cope

https://orbitalindex.com/archive/2023-08-23-Issue-232/#news-in-brief

>>15691022
It's a solution

>>15691022
Thanks for your opinion, nobody cares.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2023/new-study-reveals-nasa-s-roman-could-find-400-rogue-earths

> “We estimate that our galaxy is home to 20 times more rogue planets than stars – trillions of worlds wandering alone.” Through microlensing events, NASA’s upcoming Roman Space Telescope could find up to 400 such Earth-mass rogue planets.

From July 19th, but pretty interesting

>>15691021
yes I was wondering what the fuck too

>>15691022
lol its a pretty common staging technique

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2023/08/booster9_staticfireattempt2/

>>15691022
Soyuz always used hot staging And it held the reliability record until F9 so....

>>15691022
It's something only the Soviets can do.

>>15691038
Is this a cope? I kinda fell like it’s a cope

https://spacenews.com/nasa-prepares-for-space-research-decadal-survey/

> WASHINGTON — NASA is preparing for the release of a new decadal survey for space research that the agency hopes will provide guidance on research to pursue on the International Space Station and how to transition that to commercial successors.

> The National Academies announced Aug. 23 that it will release the decadal survey for biological and physical sciences research in space Sept. 12 at a public event in Washington. The document, titled “Thriving in Space,” will prioritize research in space biological and physical sciences over the next decade.

https://www.nationalacademies.org/event/40772_09-2023_thriving-in-space-decadal-survey-for-the-biological-and-physical-sciences-in-space-public-release

> The primary customer for the decadal survey is NASA, and the head of the agency division that manages that research said in a recent interview that she hopes the decadal provides clear guidance on the topics it should pursue in the next decade.

>>15691022
It's based

https://twitter.com/TirthaChakraba2/status/1694676931227344966

>>15691041
/sfg/ can do it too. We hot staged a couple of threads ago.

>>15691081
>millions of years
the india superpower 2030 crowd is the joke of the century

Sirs please do not forget the achievements of India. Very very powerful space program.

When it turns out that SpaceX is gonna be the main source of Artemis 3 delays I'm gonna get to much second hand embarassment

>>15691081
But the official twoot said it was out thou

>>15691109
ISRO is on course to overtake pockocmoc as #3 by 2025 though

>>15691113
the start was dragged out by lawsuits and the timeline was very short anyway, so it being delayed would not be unexpected

>>15691120
>the start was dragged out by lawsuits

>>15691113
It will be the suits

>>15691070
This post sent me down a rabbit hole, because I was going to say a better image would have been glushko or korolev (but I couldn’t remember which of the two was actually responsible for the idea of hot staging)
And in my quick research I found out Glushko was thrown into Butyrka prison in 1938. This is very early. But I can’t find any sources stating why exactly he was rounded up by the NKVD.
Also, assuming pic rel is true, it’s very interesting to hear that Stalin was, quote, “fascinated with [rocket] technology”. Wernher von Braun shared a similar account of Hitler being fascinated by the pennemunde team and their rocket hardware

>>15691125
its true though, SpaceX could not start HLS before the BO lawsuits were resolved and that took like a year or something

>>15691019
Soon...

>>15691142
Isn't landing starship working part of HLS? They need the regular ship working for refuels.

>>15691149
no, landing on the moon is a different problem from landing on chopsticks in earths atmosphere
I'm pretty sure they could do fully expendable starships + HLS that is refilled in orbit for Artemis 3

>>15691153
Well, even now they couldn't do fully expendable starship if they wanted too.

>>15691136
Found the answer. Stalin was just a schizo and had everyone arrested on false charges. Should have seen this one coming lol

>>15691153
but, launching a starship whether its a normal or HLS variant do need a working booster and of course a HLS variant would have many common elements to a LEO starship, but depending on how long the HLS elements themselves are going to take, its entirely possible that HLS gets delayed to the specific HLS portions not being ready instead of Starship/Booster not being able to launch into orbit
but you seriously think SpaceX won't reach orbit before 2025? refilling is a problem on top of that as well I guess

>>15691156
yeah not literally right now, but in a few weeks they might, artemis 3 isn't happening until 2025

>>15691163
I just don't get how they were slowed down working on HLS by lawsuits when they were working on launching starship the whole time, and still can't even launch an expendable starship.

Would they somehow be further along on expendable starship without the lawsuits?

>>15691106
kek so India superpower 2020 is now India superpower 2030?

>>15691166
no, what I'm saying is HLS itself is going to have HLS specific development time that might be the limiting factor here
SpaceX was not allowed to work on HLS or talk to NASA about HLS before the lawsuit got resolved (dismissed this time I think)

imagine the following hypothetical situation
don't remember the exact time now, but lets say HLS specific parts take like 4 years to develop, other Starship stuff takes 4 years to develop, but these can largely be done in parallel (raptor problems aren't going to affect the lifesupport or other internals of HLS much for instance)
and lets say there is 4.5 years of time until Artemis 3 is supposed to launch
BO lawsuit now delays HLS for 1 year, so Artemis 3 gets delayed by 0.5 years due to HLS being delayed, not Starship being delayed
ergo, HLS was thus delayed by the lawsuit

https://twitter.com/isro/status/1694713817916473530
Landing video 720p3

>>15691191
did they take more frames or is that it? kinda disappointing

>>15691191
God damn he cooked them

>>15691195
Bloody basterd

>>15691010

When will the onboard fecal contingency sample be deployed?

>>15691195

We finally have onboard camera view of Chanrayaan-3's landing! Jai Hind!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhTQ6bNuP8c

>>15691157
That's similar to how they handled their atomic bomb development as well. Beria anecdotally tracked individual contributions to find out who would get shot and who got medals

>>15691191
Mashallah rocket was success

>>15691191
>720p
>1 frames per second
>blurry shit
LMAO

Why cant they just record it in 4K 60fps HD camera that you can buy for $10 these days and then send it back to Earth later on by uploading. I get that you need to save data with live streaming, but where's the non-livestream content?

>>15691222
if there is one thing that annoys me more than mass autism is data autism.

>>15691191
no one can beat perseverance's camera view
that shit was gorgeous

>>15691245
Kino

>As you walk into Todd Howard’s pristine triangular office, styled like a utopian vessel – all white walls and oak floors – there’s a metre-high model of a Space-X prototype signed by Elon Musk.

From gq-magazine.co.uk
May we see it?

>>15691257
>May we see it?
you can ask Tyrone to see what that shit is about

>>15691257
>of a Space-X prototype
oh that really narrows it down

I hope its Starship though, cause Starfield

>yfw its starship 2

TIL: SpaceX recruits descendants of Operation Paperclip scientists

>the expected
range of Starship WiFi is 300m. Payloads that desire to operate on
the surface after departure of Starship, or that desire to be located
outside of this WiFi range, must rely on payload-provided
communications and data transfer capabilities/hardware.
https://nspires.nasaprs.com/external/viewrepositorydocument/cmdocumentid=918330/solicitationId=%7B76053627-8933-47CD-B627-C5DCDD474076%7D/viewSolicitationDocument=1/F.12%20A3DI_Final_Amend26corrected.pdf

Based

>>15691281
Seething hag, most actual engineering is completely male dominated, my entire department are men

>>15691282
The real question is how far away do they need to be to survive departure

>>15691281
EDS sufferers now resorting to just making stuff up

>>15691210
>more blurry than Apollo footage
Is it really so hard to just attach GoPros?

>>15691191
That was a lot more wobbly at the end than expected

Static fire tommorow or on the 28th

>>15691282
How is this even legal? polluting the spectrum on the moon...

>>15691314
murica

>>15691282
Unironic lunar penthouse with elevator, ethernet and wifi

>>15691304
I think it's sped up

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-spacex-discriminating-against-asylees-and-refugees-hiring

OH NO NO NO NO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlrYG5oFW_o

>>15691330
THESE FUCKERS

I SWEAR TO GOD

>>15691330

It's against the spirit of America to do this. Good on the DOJ.

>>15691335
What are the odds this has been arranged by DOJ officials bribed by the PRC?

>>15691341
go back to spacexmasterrace/100

>>15691330
>and once hired asylees and refugees can access export controlled information and materials without additional government approval

wow so its that easy to circumvent ITAR huh?

>China hatching their plans right now

>>15691345
go back to r*ddit

>>15691346
Listen, it's very important to the DOJ that refugees be allowed access to export controlled information and materials. Don't question it!

>>15691313

>>15691330
Is this a fucking sick joke

>>15691354
This administration is a sick joke.

>>15691330
>Just cleaning out the bad eggs before my run

picked a random ULA job to see what they say. Is 'protected individual' like refugee? otherwise I don't see the difference

>>15691330
This doesnt stop the launch so idc. Also, have you seen the amount of mexicans on the build site? This shit 100% wont hold up.

>>15691346
The US government cutting off their nose to spite their face. SpaceX t0tal pwnage!!

>>15691360
guy just wants to be a dishwater or janitor to support his family of 6 back home

>>15691361
>Also, have you seen the amount of mexicans on the build site?
TBQH half the population of Texas and Florida are beaners with legitimate US citizenships. How many of those guys are actually Mexicans?

>>15691362
Seriously feels like this

>>15691361
SpaceX was racist for 4 years. doesnt matter if they started hiring illegal immigrants in 2022, the damage is done and they WILL be punished

>>15691291
>"FAQ #16: The maximum distance for deployed instruments is not yet specified. What is
the MINIMUM safe distance from Starship to assure surviving the departure?'
A: At this time, the effect of Starship ascent on the nearby terrain is not well constrained.
Proposers should clearly state and justify their requirements for deployment, including
distance from the lander, pointing, etc.

>>15691360
It is.

>sneak into usa
>can't work on roggits

>waltz into usa because your home country is a shithole in civil war
>here have the rogget documents sweetie

At this rate SpaceX needs to move back to their old launch site in the Pacific

>>15691330
haven't they done something retarded like this before and lost
SpaceX is limited by who they can hire due to ITAR, still some german sued them for discrimination

>>15691330
The world is incomprehensibly gay

>>15691385
>some german sued them
This time it's the DOJ. The federal government under Biden's oversight (implying he isn't senile) is doing the suing this time.

>>15691360
so refugees get some special permission to work even if they would not otherwise be eligible? how the fuck does that make sense
some retarded law the current administration got through?

>>15691330
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/24/doj-sues-spacex-alleging-hiring-discrimination-against-refugees-and-asylum-seekers.html

>>15691404
> The DOJ lawsuit seeks to win “fair consideration and back pay for asylees and refugees who were deterred or denied employment at SpaceX due to the alleged discrimination,” as well as civil penalties and policy changes from the company.

back pay? what the absolute fuck

https://twitter.com/Space_Time3/status/1694743135010627633

so is the DOJ argument that SpaceX should have hired asylees and refugees for something like cleaning positions in buildings with no access to ITAR materials? or trying to put them in places where they could somehow work

>>15691385
California sued them i thought, dont remember the outcome

>>15691408
With overtime. Did they stutter??

>>15691413
>DOJ saying they can hire and then be given access to ITAR materials
>>15691346

Someone is wrong here and my bet its the DOJ

>>15691416
>you need to compensate me what I WOULD have been paid IF you had hired me!!!!
>oh yeah I would have totally worked overtime too so pay up for that :^)

>>15691330
schizos were right

https://twitter.com/brianweeden/status/1694685708097642938

>>15691413
They want refugees to have access to ALL the documents.

>>15691404
>investigating SpaceX since June 2020
>release this to the public 2 days after the Ronan Farrow story went viral, and shown on all news media and CNN interviewed him

hmmmmm surely no connection there, just a coincidence these attacks on SpaceX come in waves

>>15691424
https://qz.com/emails/space-business/1850735584/space-business-codependent

>>15691393
They hate America

>And folks…this is why SpaceX will never go public. If the gov’t can’t get Vanguard or Blackrock involved they’ll weaponize the DOJ.

Guy has a point, the DOJ really is weaponized, starting to not care if Biden or Trump win next election desu

>>15691433
Biden winning would mean this bullshit continues

>>15691330
i thought biden liked us bros i thought he changed

Just a thought. if SpaceX did hire refugees and asylees this DOJ would probably go after them for possible ITAR violations

>>15691437
yes, its pretty clear this is just about going after Musk

>>15691433
This is just libtard cope.
>Biden would never do this!
>It would be the same under Trump!
NONE of this shit was happening under Trump you retard

It's literally right fucking there, they have to be a US PERSONS to be working with ITAR shit

DOJ is blowing smoke out of their asses

>>15691437
'That's some catch, that Catch-22,' he observed.
'It's the best there is,' Doc Daneeka agreed.

>>15691448
>source is "securiti.ai"
You're not wrong but come on dude, have some common sense when doing research.

>>15691450
I've never seen this kino pic before, and I thought I've seen all the kino pics of Saturn V launches there are to see, godamn what a sight.

>>15691448
Anyone granted permanent residence / asylum is an U.S. Person. Maybe Musk is as stupid as you and didn't check in with his lawyers.

so does ITAR stop you from hiring non citizens to be a janitor or star bartender?

>>15691457
>asylee/refugee = permanent resident with green card

uh no.

>>15691457
so when is the DOJ going to go after Lockheed etc for not hiring refugees?

>>15691456
I think nasa phased out the m113s which is a shame, boring mraps now

>>15691433
nice retard take

>>15691463
https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=8-USC-2135484853-2005922324&term_occur=999&term_src=

That would fall into the protected individual status.

https://twitter.com/gurgavin/status/1694740161211294121

They're gonna force this same shit on Mars colonies too, the same woke government overreach

The DOJ is right and you're seething

>>15691478
Fun fact: He lied (big surprise)

>>15691046
Speaking of the Decadal Survey, NASA officially delayed the next New Frontiers AO to NET 2026
I predict the next Decadal Survey is going to start with at least one full page of scientists telling NASA "I told you that Mars Sample Return was going to kill us, why didn't you listen?"

https://fortune.com/2023/08/21/jeff-bezos-blue-origin-rocket-tests-texas-emitting-methane-see-from-space-iss/

What are the odds BO is AHEAD of SpaceX (quietly)?

So SpaceX should not take into account the citizenship in any way, hire people and then use massive amounts of time to apply for some exemption for each non-US person I guess is the argument here?
do any other ITAR restricted companies do this?

I TOLD YOU SO. Biden trannies are after Musk.

>>15691493
0%

>>15691497
that has been very clear for a while now

>>15691017
we told you bro, no OP notice, no static fire

>>15691459
It stops you from going inside SpaceX buildings because of ITAR sensitive technology in plain view, discussions about ITAR sensitive subjects, inner workings of an ITAR compliant company that works on all things ITAR related.

Whats a jannie without ITAR to do? Just sweep outside, plug their ears and close their eyes?

>>15691502
The alternative is to remove all ITAR inside the building, or close off areas inside buildings that have ITAR, dont allow employees to talk about ITAR specific topics outside the specific section of the building, etc Or just create a separate building for non-ITAR only employees, but that would be racist wouldn't it?

You need to allow non-ITAR to mingle with ITAR, otherwise you'd be assuming they're spies.

>>15691496
It's very fine legal parsing that they're hoping means they win big money

ITAR doesn't explicitly state you can't hire people in the US under asylum protection / refugee status, it just says they cannot access restricted items. It's taken as a given that you do not hire people in these classifications for positions that may come in contact with ITAR-controlled items

Ultimately this is going to get thrown out of court (why would you hire someone who enjoys legally protected status but is also legally constrained from doing their job) but I enjoy seeing where this goes, because any ruling here will have much greater defense industry repercussions at a time where the Biden administration is pushing stronger security controls for DoD contractors

>>15691497
thereisnoconspiracy.gif

>>15691507
Biden DOJ is hoping for SpaceX to pay up with hush money without going to the supreme court on this.

Fact check for thee but not for mee
https://www.google.com/doodles/celebrating-the-first-landing-on-the-moons-south-pole

>>15691384
>/pol/ newfags don't know that US military has controlled that island for years

>>15691384
New president that would clean up the act is all we need. The current one is absolutely corrupt.

>>15691330
>Biden DOJ sues SpaceX because SpaceX followed the law

But remember folks, the Biden admin isn't trying to undermine SpaceX.

>/sfg/ doesn't know how ITAR works
Not suprising

>>15691507
>Biden administration is pushing stronger security controls for DoD contractors
>DOJ pulls this shit

lol, clown show

>>15691505
Spacex should put a single employee guard post outside their facility. The job there is to look at your phone and play video games for minimum wage. Every time they hire, anyone who's not ITAR is eligible for this position and that person is replaced.

>>15691465
The owners of Lockheed aren't undermining democracy like Musk is, Jack

>>15691540
"undermining democracy" is code for criticizing Biden, the DNC, and most of all the ADL.

what should it be named

>>15691536
well that is basically what DOJ wants, SpaceX to hire refugees simply to get paid

>>15691548
Atlantis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlrYG5oFW_o

>>15691404
they should counter-sue DoJ for vexatious litigation

>>15691548
Tempt fate, call it Challenger

>>15691555
nah Odyssey

the goal of the lawsuit is probably discovery, to get inside knowledge into the company to help with further lawsuits

>>15691559
Too kino for a LEO taxi

>>15691551
based

>>15691548
Starliner just so whenever the term is used you must be talking about the dragon capsule

>>15691553
just one frivolous lawsuit is not enough, I remember hearing somewhere that winning a case about vexatious litigation is quite difficult

> A single action, even a frivolous one, is usually not enough to raise a litigant to the level of being declared vexatious. Rather, a pattern of frivolous legal actions is typically required to rise to the level of vexatious. Repeated and severe instances by a single lawyer or firm can result in eventual disbarment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vexatious_litigation

>>15691518
but isn't the supreme court majority conservative now? So in my completely uninformed opinion, wouldn't this just be good for SpaceX?

>>15691562
oh shit

>>15691562
so throw anything at the wall and see what sticks I guess
this could also waste Musks time by having to go into hearings constantly

>>15691568
they should be less likely to recognize federal power but it's on a case by case basis

This is really dumb

https://www.ctemploymentlawblog.com/2016/08/articles/how-to-avoid-discrimination-in-hiring-while-complying-with-export-laws/

Apparently, part of the way to get around this is don't ask about citizenship, but ask different questions in hiring that determine itar/ear compliance.

>>15691571
>>15691573
its a common tactic that the fbi uses. just keep suing someone the government doesnt like (or suspects is up to something) with each lawsuit providing more and more evidence to be used against them in later lawsuits.

>>15691588
that is retarded

>another nothing burger too keep the /pol/ trannies active

>>15691590
lawfare is so fucked up

Inline AJ260 + External Hydrogen tank + 15x30 payload bay

Cute!

>>15691597
by definition that's not a rocket engine, it's not cohesive

>>15691597
>nearly trips himself while running out the ditch
Buddha fuck

>>15691507
Good guy biden is setting judicial precedent to help America's future

Finally get to pull out this classic.

>>15691198

>>15691617
Jesus. H. Christ.

>>15691330
What the fuck even is an Ass-e-lee, fucking commietards.

>>15691385
>>15691413
>>15691437
>>15691448
>>15691502
>>15691505
>>15691507
If you read the justice.gov page you'd see that they specifically explain that refugees and asylees are allowed under ITAR, in part because they are already extensively vetted

>>15691637
Did you miss that screenshot that also says they're considered Foreign Persons

>>15691637
I doubt this lawsuit is a procedure error. Its just a fishing trawley. For anyone that does not kow tow to Biden crime family.

>>15691637
>refugees
>extensively vetted for national security jobs
This is a complete farce.

what happened to at will employment? why is elon "required" to hire some nigger from jabooty?

>>15691656
here is an example of your extensively vetting. the DOJ is just political police, they exist as tool of the ruling class.

>Trump gets 200+ million views on X
>the next day one of Elon's companies gets sued by DOJ
Wow, what a weird coincidence!

>Justice department lawyers cut us off on motorcycles
>Mr.Tory get down!

>>15691673
Tory will now go to jail (DOJ does not play favorites)

>>15691670
Holy schizo

>>15691643
None of the screenshots I see here say that, so yes?

>>15691656
They don't say that they're vetted for security, just that them being vetted is part of why they qualify as US persons. I presume like other US persons you still have to do further vetting.

>>15691664
He isn't, he just can't deny him the consideration if he counts as a US person

>>15691673
>>15691675
He's saying the exact same thing, ITAR requires US persons. Asylees and refugees can obtain that status.

>>15691664
at will employment means you can hire or fire anyone for any reason except for discriminatory reasons

>>15691673
its over for tory

>>15691670
The lawsuit started in 2020, with Biden admin.

>>15691680
why cant they just make up a reason, like not qualified ?

>>15691568
I meant that as a joke (mostly)

>>15691588
how does this make sense? you have to ask if they are a "US person" for ITAR reasons, but at the same time you cant ask about citizenship ?

>>15691688
I mean usually they do, but in this case stuff like Musk tweets and videos were brought up where he said they can't hire non-greencard holders and they are arguing asylees and refugees can technically also apply

>>15691692
because in the discrimination law, national origin is one of the protected classes

> The law makes it illegal for an employer to make any employment decision because of a person's race, color, religion, sex (including gender identity, sexual orientation, and pregnancy), national origin, age (40 or older), disability or genetic information.

https://www.justice.gov/crt/federal-protections-against-national-origin-discrimination-1

so I guess they need to ask are you ITAR compliant, but can't ask about national origin explicitly
its retarded

>>15691688
They can I guess, again, the point is they didn't allow them to apply in the first place. If they did and then properly rejected them it'd be fine.

NASA has purged twitter from their announcements and calls it 'x' now, lol. Makes me double take.
anyways crew 7 stream in 9 bongs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD2XDoeT8SI

>>15691697
the civil rights act which created all this bullshit is basically a parallel constitution, which can be enforced selectively, based on the needs of the ruling class. it also creates pointless make for jobs for them as enforcers of it.

>>15691698
its not that they didn't allow, but dissuaded them from doing so
its a pretty big reach

>>15691710
It says they did that but that there were also cases where they outright refused to hire qualified applicants who were refugees or asylees.

Say hello to the Ariane 6 transport ship
>The first sail powered rocket

>>15691718
you don't have to hire qualified applicants if there is someone better

>>15691719
>Space fiction general

>>15691693
It's a wrinkle in ITAR/immigration law

If you're in the US on any kind of visa, you're a Foreign Person and blocked from ITAR-controlled sectors

If you're in the US as a person granted asylum/refugee status (the term depends on where you are when you apply), AND you're from a country on a particular list, you get something called Temporary Protected Status, which makes you the equivalent of a US citizen for all employment decisionmaking, even though you aren't a citizen and might not ever be one

99% people on X supported SpaceX over DoJ

>>15691718
You mean because they were refugees or asylees? It's still legal to refuse to hire someone who happens to be a refugee or asylee.

Anyway here's what the suit says about that.

>SpaceX refused to hire qualified asylee and refugee applicants and repeatedly rejected asylee and refugee applicants because of their citizenship status.

To prove the second part you'd need evidence that is hard to obtain. The DOJ would need a whistleblower or something to be able to claim that without outright making shit up.

>>15691721
I'm merely restating the complaint to show the Anon I replied to that it's not just about the dissuasion. I don't know if there was someone better.

>>15691732
Good thing that nobody in their right mind cares what retards on the website formerly known as Twitter say

>>15691741
Particularly, anyone with a right minded sees this as a witch hunt by the Biden admin

>>15691732
That's why we have rule of law over mob rule.

>>15691719
It baffles me for how long it didn't occur to anybody how much fuel and money can be saved by using wind in engined cargo ships. Big oil shills really fucked everything up didn't they.

>>15691745
We have neither.

>>15691740
Yes exactly, I'm just restating what the suit says, I'm not judging whether they can prove that.

>>15691744
>anyone with a right minded sees this as a witch hunt by the Biden admin
They do that with everything that hurts their feefees though, not particularly a surprise

>>15691746
Makes more sense to have a big wind turbine on a ship which powers and electric motor. That way you can sail in any direction regardless of wind direction.

>>15691745
the rule of law is decided by elected officials and elections are basically "mob rule"

>>15691732
>elon creates a twitter poll
>inspect element to change to 99%
wow elon owns the source code and rigged it big suprise

banana republic shit

https://twitter.com/ThePrimalDino/status/1694782585048592802

lmao even this guy thinks this is retarded
there are people posting on /sfg/ that have even worse EDS than this guy, amazing

>>15691805
DOJ will win. SpaceX will settle

>>15691807
They aren't fishing for a settlement they are fishing for a ruling.

https://spaceref.com/space-commerce/oneweb-technologies-awarded-u-s-space-force-contract-for-commercial-satellite-communications-proliferated-low-earth-orbit-p-leo/

Biden admin choose OneWeb for LEO internet national security space force contract worth ~$900M. OneWeb is UK/Indian company.

Starlink has so far gotten $0. Starshield is a dud and hasn't been chosen.

>>15691809
lmao

>>15691807
>>15691808
Opposite. DOJ is trying to force SpaceX to settle. They want the "Elon Musk company is a racist" headline. Meanwhile, SpaceX is looking for a long fight.

>>15691809

>>15691811
No one cares about settlements because there are lots of reasons to settle and if the settlement is undisclosed then it won't change anything. They are fishing for that headline, but that headline only happens if they get a decision.

>>15691811
SpaceX wont fight it. Tesla was OK with being called racist and paid a nigger a billion dollars (it was true)

>>15691809
why is biden so hostile to spacex?

>>15691815
No. Tesla fought it out, the court ruled against them. They fought it out again, and then reduced the amount for few millions.

>>15691816
democrats hate Faustian spirit

>>15691816
>why is biden so hostile to ELON?
The right question begets the right answers. The wrong questions leads nowhere.

>>15691816
It's not biden, it's his necromancers

>>15691816
because Elon's not really in the club, and he doesn't kowtow or do favors (financial) to the people he's supposed to. They probably don't have any decent blackmail material on him either.
They've been cleaning house recently, mostly through kangaroo courts, so this isn't so unexpected.

>>15691809
>>15691812
>900m ceiling
>10 years
I sleep.

>>15691816
because Musk has not bent the knee with many things
Tesla doesn't have unions, so UAW is pissed and they are a big voting block for Biden
Musk has been vocal against covid mandates, which again democrats don't like
Musk bought Twitter and allowed the political enemies of democrats to speak freely even going as far as community noting stuff said by the biden account, unbanned trump and a lot of other republicans/conservatives, actually allows speech that would be banned on most other platforms, brought twitter files stuff into attention (government agencies colluding with twitter to censor and outright ban their political enemies)

>>15691757
it exists (apparently)

>>15691809
SpaceX has gotten DoD sat contracts

>>15691757
even if you only use the sail 10% of the time that would still be a pretty big saving.

>>15691590
shit, how do you beat this? do you just immediately say yep, we did that and take the hit?

>>15691816
Biden is just a puppet.

Starfield

>>15691833
This is well said and has good points to bring up later.

>>15691113
it's soon to be over

Ok so everyone is rushing to the moon and soon they will start digging there. Dumb question: will that affect the Earth in any way (tides etc)?

>>15691870
you have to move like 10^20kg of mass from earth to moon to materially affect the tides. yeah nah.

>>15691757
In principle it could only be less efficient. If the ship was going against the wind the turbine would add a lot of drag.
>>15691746
About 5-10% of fuel could be saved but it it made sense cargo ships would be doing it. You would probably be better off spending the same amount of money on wind turbines powering the grid as far as carbon emissions are concerned.

I love inflatables like you wouldn't believe

>>15691805
>>15691731
I suspect it's lawfare to get the US persons restriction in ITAR struck down as wayciss.

>>15691731
I'm assuming this clause exists exclusively to let the US government poach scientists from other countries and not really meant for actual refugees

2 more weeks

>>15691664
he is effectively required to, yes

>>15691811
You get a better headline when a court makes a ruling, settlements aren't as good

>>15691423
Always have been

>>15691817
And they also moved the HQ to Texas after that, exactly as I predicted

Airshipsss
https://lynceans.org/all-posts/modern-airships-part-1/

Brainlet 80 IQ here can anons with a high IQ explain why the Russians were able to reach the ISS in 3 hours with the Soyuz but the spacex launches take about 24 hours to reach the ISS?
Is it because it does not have enough fuel to do the orbit correct in one go or something?

>>15691330

>>15691997
take this with a grain of salt, but I think it has something to do with the inclination of the orbit of ISS which is easier for russian launches to get to + US launches getting there slowly for safety reasons

Dream Chaser
look at that 100% titanium

Total Earther Death.

lol
lmao even

>>15691816
>>15691826
>It's not biden, it's his necromancers

This. If you ask biden about elon he's probably say something like "Yeah ol elon, he was a good boy. He always made that schloppin sound when he drank water. schlop! schlop!! hahaha- hey I gotta go my dad is hollerin for me".

These guys launched an asteroid mining tech demonstrator into orbit months ago and went radio silent. Did it fail?

They are sending a probe to an asteroid in October but have been quiet about that too

>>15692015
why does she let him have two megabays

>>15692015
this scares and angers the far left

>>15692006
complex curved surfaces are expensive

>>15691548
Legacy

>>15691688
That's part of what they're accused of doing.

>>15692065
it looks like they got that data from the earlier lawsuit about that indian guy

Saars. We in the #1, , of the World.

>>15692077
Would've been funny if if they wrote "akin to columbus failing to find India"

>>15692065
>>15692073
yeah it looks like they're using data they got from a previous lawsuit they made against spacex to help fuel this new lawsuit https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/04/spacex-doj-hiring-subpoena-is-definition-of-government-overreach.html

>>15692006
Will they have to remove and replace every tile after flight as well?

>>15692006
I.....I think I understand tileanon now

>>15692084
dreamchaser isnt reusable

>>15692077
The future of the Indian space program is bright.

>>15692073
>>15692083

>>15691562
Discovery anon is right, this is so scummy of the DOJ holy shit, how is this discovery trawling even allowed

>>15692108
is, shooting star isn't

>>15692065
>Some impressive experience listed
>Asylum applicant
IS THIS ENTIRE FUCKING THING ABOUT HIRING UKRAINIAN ROCKET SCIENTISTS

>>15692151
Didn't they throw a massive shitstorm over Ukrainian part owner of Firefly just recently?

>>15692127
show me the man and i'll show you the crime

>>15691050
Damn where did you get this picture of me

>>15692126
is this wrong though? the poles are the only places with water

>>15692180
actually there was a study some months ago from the chinese saying that they found water trapped inside quartz crystals in the regolith generally
this water is supposedly created through some interaction with radiation or something

>>15692159
I think that was more the DoD forcing Polyakov out on behalf of the local MIC. When Tom Markusic got forceful demoted to chief engineer not too long after that Firefly ended up owned by AE Industrial Partners, which has some strong ties to Northrop Grumman. Of course, it's a complete coincidence that NG just happened to announce a few months later that Firefly would be building the first stage of the Antares 300, and that everyone seems to assume that NG is going to eventually eat Firefly the way they did Orbital ATK. There's absolutely nothing to see in this chain of events, honest!

>>15692180
Grandiose opinion and predictions don't really belong in an encyclopedia. The more facts you can stick to the better

https://twitter.com/Peter_J_Beck/status/1694824384689525164

>>15691548
>Voyager

>>15691346

>>15691597
>try to build a rocket engine
>build a flamethrower instead
Rocket Science isn't hard, but rocket engineering definitely is.

>>15691673
Kek. So SpaceX can just point to this tweet, and throw DOJ's lawsuit back at them and say its frivolous because their competitor does this and they're not getting sued?

I'm off to the bathroom for a massive static firing if you catch my drift.

>>15692202
You're presuming that the courts are rational and not dominated by political types with the same motivations as the DOJ has, which is a bad assumption because the judges all came up through the same institutions and channels that the people at DOJ did.

>>15691809
>>15691816
Starlink definitely has gotten more than $0, they had plenty of Starlink-based spooksats go up clandestinely and they're also part of the missile layer whatever that's called again (also Ukraine, obviously, they're getting some there as well).
I also feel like I remember something about SpaceX not bidding Starshield for one of these layers, but there's so many of them and they're all so confusing that I couldn't tell you which one it was. Anyone remember this or did I dream it?

>>15692242
love old abandoned concepts

https://spaceref.com/space-commerce/us-sar-companies-significant-boost-noaa-restrictions-expire/

Very interesting
NOAA looks like it's getting out of the "you must get a license if your satellite has a camera" business

>>15692202
No, because "US Person" has a special legal definition that makes what he said correct.

>>15692256
wait
hold on
the universe is broken
A government regulatory body REDUCING its reach and amount of regulation?

>>15692263
NOAA's always just been a science org as long as I've known it, they probably aren't happy about playing regulatory space cop because cameras were a thing NRO only wanted the US to have

>>15692256
>changes included “a reduction of global imaging restrictions … to permit imaging and distribution for all but less than 1% of the Earth’s surface.”

Whats the less than 1% you can't image?

>>15691670
I don't think it's a coincidence that he's pinned the interview today

>>15692273
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_satellite_map_images_with_missing_or_unclear_data

>>15692246

>>15692282
>North America
>This section is empty. You can help by adding to it.

I hate the government so much it's fucking unreal.

>>15692282
>Area of Xinjiang internment camps
>China
>The area of internment camps has been partly replaced with plain light gray tiles on Baidu Maps and blurred in Google Maps.

*kisses your feet* yes we will censor that right up for you

>>15691330

Western bros...our response?

>>15692362

>>15692362
its over, India has become a super power while the west sues itself into oblivion for not sucking enough refugee cock

>>15692362
that 104 sat launch was the one with the Bee sats that didn't have a FCC license right
lol

>>15692362
Its true. Good thing SpaceX ≠ USA.

you want to poach foreign talents... it makes sense for asylum seekers/refugees to get access to ITAR restriction lol

>>15691019
lmao, soaring? Rocketlab dropped 4% for the day and Virgin Galatic was almost down 6% today.

>>15692385
indian space stocks retard, learn to read

>>15691719
>look at what they have to do to match a fraction of our power

>>15692295
Why did NASA have an autistic fixation on pressure-fed boosters?

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/08/rocket-lab-joins-spacex-in-re-flying-a-rocket-engine-to-space/

>>15691330
https://spacenews.com/justice-department-sues-spacex-over-hiring-practices/

> The Justice Department argues that SpaceX unlawfully denied employment to asylees and refugees based on the company’s interpretation of export control regulations that limit access to controlled items to U.S. citizens and permanent residents. The suit includes several comments from SpaceX officials, including Chief Executive Elon Musk, stating that it could only hire citizens and “green card” holders in order to comply with the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR), which governs launch vehicle and other space components. Those regulations often include severe penalties for any violations.

> However, the Justice Department noted that asylees and refugees are also considered “U.S. persons” under ITAR and other export control regulations, and can be treated like citizens and permanent residents in that they do not need authorization to handle export-controlled items. In addition, export control regulations do not include employment or hiring restrictions, the suit stated.

> “Our investigation found that SpaceX failed to fairly consider or hire asylees and refugees because of their citizenship status and imposed what amounted to a ban on their hire regardless of their qualification, in violation of federal law,” said Assistant Attorney General Kristen Clarke of the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division in a statement. “Our investigation also found that SpaceX recruiters and high-level officials took actions that actively discouraged asylees and refugees from seeking work opportunities at the company.”

> SpaceX has not commented on the suit, but it appears to have already changed its hiring practices. Job listings, such as one for a launch engineer, now explicitly state that applicants have to be U.S. citizens, permanent residents, refugees or asylees.

>>15692402
Probably the same reason Astra was, cheap engines for throwaway stages.

>>15692004
"Fairly compete for jobs"
So, make them get a green card?
Last I checked, a company can request a green card if you aren't a citizen and if you fail to produce one, they can refuse to hire you.

I honestly don't see this going anywhere, the DOJ as a whole isn't suing SpaceX, its this dumb Kristen Clarke nigger that works for the civil rights division.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/24/viasats-inmarsat-i6-f2-satellite-suffers-power-failure.html

>>15692402
>It was potentially easier to refurbish than a SRB
>It was Marshall Space Center's idea, and they knew they'd be more involved in its dev and production than if a SRB was picked

https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KeIAYTW8eQ

7h until crew-7 launch

>>15692410
IIRC it's rules lawyering about people with Temporary Protected Status (asylum pleaders) seeking status as US Persons while their claims are processed. Of course thanks to deliberate abuse by mexigoblins and Democrats the asylum case system has a ten year backlog so it's this cunt at DOJ seeking backdoor amnesty and the erosion of ITAR.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEClIbWr3m0

25h until starlink mission

>>15692414
damn this launches at the worst possible time. I want to watch it but I have to work tomorrow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TTTJ20iRbs

48h until JAXA launches a satellite with a small moon lander as a secondary payload

https://europeanspaceflight.com/esas-solar-orbiter-may-have-discovered-the-source-of-solar-wind/

>>15692422
>Autism UK

>>15692422
NASA's already got a follow-up mission planned https://blogs.nasa.gov/punch/2021/07/27/nasas-punch-mission-to-study-the-suns-environment-moves-toward-launch/

From former spacex mission director and nasa engineer

https://twitter.com/SpaceAbhi/status/1694766025009766894

>100% guarantee this is happening (or could happen) at every Aerospace co. in America. Unless you have been a hiring manager in Aerospace you just don't understand the chilling effect of ITAR/EAR regulations. Employees are PERSONALLY liable with huge fines and imprisonment if the wrong info gets out.

>>15692428
Everyone has to be a lawyer when talking about space shit because ITAR doesn't care if the other guy already knows what you're talking about

>>15692428
this is such a fucking farce its unreal

with the exception of the Chinese in 1800s, in the US up until 1918 you were allowed to just show up and live here, no questions asked. Wonder what changed.

>>15692433
>>>/pol/

>>15692422
>we're only now finding out where solar wind comes from
honestly i expected us to have figured this out in 1923

>>15691597
Retard is trying to use water pressure from a hose to spool a car turbocharger.
Thats so fucking stupid, I'm about to go commit sudoku.

was reading comments about the lawsuit, as usual the spacefags are angry about it, the left is loving it, and the rest arent sure what to believe

https://twitter.com/lrocket/status/1694860370933071958

>>15692442
of course the left loves it, this is just politics to them
but really shows their colours too

Did india lie to us?

if a refugee is a citizen in a super restricted country (Iran, North Korea) does it override the state department restrictions on those citizens?

https://twitter.com/tobyliiiiiiiiii/status/1694745072649007512

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Polar_Exploration_Mission

> The Lunar Polar Exploration Mission (LUPEX) or Chandrayaan-4[7] is a planned joint lunar mission by the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) and Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA).[8][9] The mission would send an uncrewed lunar lander and rover to explore the south pole region of the Moon no earlier than 2026.[10][5] JAXA is likely to provide the under-development H3 launch vehicle and the rover, while ISRO would be responsible for the lander.[11][12]

>>15692457
That's one way to get around not having enough money to do it yourself

>>15692443
>in one lawsuit Biden turns the entire space sector towards the guy promising regulatory reform and Democrat heads on pikes

>>15692455
this just seems like a retarded loophole

>>15692415
>Temporary Protected Status (asylum pleaders) seeking status as US Persons while their claims are processed

That is correct, BUT there is still a lot that the person has to go through before they can legally even try to get a job anywhere. A person can't just waltz in the country, claim asylum, and try to get a job at a rocket company.
They have to file to be a refugee/asylee, accepted as one, and wait for a certain time period. They also have to go through some other things that I'm not 100% familiar with, but it involves things like getting a picture license, registering an adress, ect...
Its possible that someone went through the whole process and still got denied the job. However, the burden of proof falls on the DOJ, and they have to have solid evidence, such as video recording of someone saying they won't be hired because of their status.
As far as I know, all that they have are people that didn't get a job and went crying to the DOJ. No actual hard proof that it happened.

lol https://twitter.com/DJSnM/status/1694867362292629623

>>15692460
kind of looks like it
seems very retarded, even if this goes nowhere this is turbo retarded
is it possible its some rogue DOJ DEI people? kind of seems farfetched
pic is Vardas co-founder and CEO

https://twitter.com/zebulgar/status/1694844352533561615

>JAXA
>Starlink
>Crew 7
>Starship IFT2 Static fire

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

>>15692469
At Astra the entire Alameda facility was an ITAR zone aside from the lobby and kitchen. It was one of the few smart things they did.

>>15692473
We've even got an Atlas V shambling out to the launch pad on Tuesday

>>15692473
I require more

https://x.com/BocaChicaGal/status/1694869652571087126

Static fire tomorrow

>>15692497
NOOOOOOOOOOO SFG SAID THeY CANT

https://twitter.com/BocaChicaGal/status/1694869652571087126

>>15692497
Over Pressure Notice! Over Pressure Notice! Over Pressure Notice!

Elon response to Tom mueller
>Exactly.
>SpaceX was told repeatedly that hiring anyone who was not a permanent resident of the United States would violate international arms trafficking law, which would be a criminal offense.
>We couldn’t even hire Canadian citizens, despite Canada being part of NORAD!
>This is yet another case of weaponization of the DOJ for political purposes.
There it is

>>15692502
awwww snap

I think Elon should be forced to hire anyone and everyone so we can get some old fashioned industrial espionage and some real competition going.

>>15692502
Based

The media refusing to point out the political witch hunt against anything Elon is a shame

Ok assuming the DOJ is right. WHY does this loophole exist in the first place? Refugees are special and we can trust them with rockets?

>>15692504
Literally this, and Mr. Musk would agree with you

>>15692481
It belongs in a museum

>>15692455
It specifically doesn't override other laws or government agencies.

Why won't Elon hire me? :(

>>15692508
only a racist could ask this question

>>15692506
Regular journalists have the same close a relationship with journalistic ethics that video game journalists do. They're just doing what they are paid to do.

>>15692506
Who do you think owns the media?

>>15692508
DOJ is not in the right. Refugee/asylum seekers have temporary status. Once the status gets revoked, SpaceX can be liable.

Its such a stupid lawsuit that it falls flat.

>>15692523
federal lawsuits dont fail. elon will be indicted just like trump and then it's buh bye!!

>>15692529
>federal lawsuits dont fail
lmao

What would your opinion of SLS be going forward if tomorrow NASA announced they worked out the inefficiencies and could launch it 3 times a year for 400 million a pop?

It's just a conspiracy, chuds. Sit down and be silent.

>>15692185
Probably something like the oxygen was already there in the minerals, and protons from the solar wind got stuck in there as hydrogen.

>>15692541
shit
it's not reusable and like 2x the cost per kg as fh

hm let's check the news today...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/08/24/us-space-companies-foreign-spy-threat/70671100007/
Published 4:52 p.m. ET Aug. 24, 2023


>Foreign spies are targeting private space companies, US intelligence agencies warn

oh

>>15692553
its a fucking set up

>>15692554
Total Democrat Death

>>15692553
Big Chinese spy supporter here

SPACE RACE

SPACE RACE

SPACE RACE

SAY IT WITH ME

>>15692508
It would be quite funny if this is a paperclip thing

>>15692523
The DOJ seems to be right the way the law is written, even if the status were temporary, they'd be US persons at the point they apply and thus have to have their application considered and can't have it rejected for ITAR reasons.

>>15692553
These two are not mutually exclusive. You can be a spy without being an employee, and you can also be a spy and a US person (until you're discovered, I assume).

>>15692541
Three times a year is a bit low for something descended from a vehicle that could manage 4-6 launches per year but it's not the worst cadence and it's a bad price for a government project. It's over twice as much throw to TLI as the Delta IV Heavy for a price tag that's only 15% higher. We should be able to do better, but something like this is the sort of goal that SLS should have been able to reach.

>>15692564
>It would be quite funny if this is a paperclip thing
>unironically Somali rocket scientist posting

Lol

Lmao even

is it difficult to get proper US Person asylum status thingies? I think we're sort of assuming you walk in to an embassy with a sob story and get it in 3 minutes, but if it takes a looonggggg time like a green card this sorta hits different idk

>>15692541
Love it more cause big rockets fun, note every rocket can be Starship

We need to have PLUUUMES

>>15692569
Fuck off we're full.

>>15692497
>>15692499
NO NO NO THE BEETLES NEED UNTIL THE 28TH TO EVACUATE

>>15692579
The DOJ will make sure the beetles receive justice

billions for the water towers, pennies for the beetles

Elon going crazy rn commenting on every post about the SpaceX suit

any esl /sfg/ you NEED to apply for refugee status RIGHT FUCKING NOW before they tighten up our laws. GET IN HERE NOW and GET INTO SPACEX AND TAKES PICS

>>15692508
This loophole was overlooked because ITAR-adherent companies were just ignoring non-US citizens and nobody cared. Then, some office full of junior lawyers with the DoJ was told to hunt for any possible way to harass Musk's companies and this option was dug up.

>>15692588
its so fucking blatant

>>15692588
>ignoring non-US citizens
to be fair, even before today most people would correct you and say US Persons can do itar shit. This lawsuit is just surprising because I think most people assumed asylum status didn't make you a US Person.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1694886846050771321

>>15692596
what relevance does posting a x post from a criminal have to spaceflight and spaceflight accessories?

>>15692569
It does at least include some form of vetting.

>>15692585
He shouldn't if he doesn't want to dig himself deeper lol it's unironically a nothingburger, SpaceX have already adjusted their hiring practices to comply, this is just about some compensation.

>>15692588
If Tory has been pointing out "foreigners can get in if they can become a US Person" specifically for years then clearly some people knew. It appears to be the law so the DoJ is just doing its job, the investigation started under Trump, too, so making it out to be politically motivated is silly as well.

>>15692590
And there's nothing wrong with the general public not knowing, but HR and employment managers certainly should know.

>>15692598
said criminal was responsible for kickstarting the Artemis program, a spaceflight program of great importance to this country, a great program, the best even you could say by the standpoint of space programs

this is a mild lawsuit even if it is won by the State. pay up to some US Persons whom you auto-trashed their job applications. promise never to do it again. What's the big deal?

>>15692596
This is historic
>>15692598
Only the greatest space president in history, for starters

I wonder how long it'll take them to realize that it's not very smart to play dirty with the guy who owns the company that's on track to be the largest news media source in the world.
I wonder if they've just gotten so used to controlling the news that it doesn't occur to them nobody watches those networks anymore.

>>15692602
that's a weird way of saying Augustine Commission but ok. Please keep political posting to /pol/.

>>15692601
this post killed /sfg/

SPAACEEEEFLIGHT

We're back.

>>15692608
this is the second best photo of Neil Armstrong on the moon

>>15692585
I thought you meant the EVA suit and I got excited, fuck

>>15692616
haahahah i wish