/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15684378
memories

Soon

eutelsat is merging with oneweb apparently, although I don't see how anyone could believe this is good for them: oneweb isn't a serious competitor to starlink.

intitle:starship site:reddit.com/r/realtesla

my go to place to discuss starship other than /sfg/

>>15684418
dr_evil_how_about_no.gif

>>15684418
Why the fuck you lyin'?

>>15684404
Someone should have saved some of those schizo eusocial human posts a while back. Seems like /sfg/ has a bugman problem.

>>15684404
got any with the martian breastfeeding bean eater?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLA_64yz8Ss
/sfg/ moving relatively fast these days

>>15684395
who?

>>15684395
Low brain capacity = low IQ

>>15684415
well one thing they have going for them is that they aren't starlink
they will get some business simply from that and some customers (governments, businesses) might pay for redundancy of multiple completely independent systems

Reminder that Scott Manley does not like the first amendment and should not be praised

>>15684418
can't really discuss anything there
if you say anything that goes against the hive (basically anything positive about Musk, Tesla or SpaceX), you get downvoted
and if the discussion is just bad faith internet arguing, its a waste of time anyway

>>15684415
https://spacenews.com/eutelsats-oneweb-merger-now-just-pending-shareholder-vote/

>>15684433
Sadly no

chuddoids will deny this obvious truth
https://www.space.com/mars-astronauts-all-female-crew

>>15684436
https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/08/after-russias-failure-india-is-next-in-line-to-attempt-a-moon-landing/

> If all goes according to plan, the Chandrayaan 3 lander—named Vikram—will settle softly onto the lunar surface at 8:34 am EDT (12:34 UTC) Wednesday, redeeming India's failed landing attempt on the Chandrayaan 2 mission in 2019.

> But for the last 47 years, reaching the Moon's surface in one piece has proven to be an impossible task for any landing craft that wasn't built in China. Since 2013, China has racked up three successful landings with its robotic space missions, including the first controlled touchdown on the Moon's far side and an ambitious sample return mission in 2020.

> Russia's Luna 24 mission returned Moon rocks to Earth with a robotic spacecraft in 1976. Since then, it's been all China. Privately funded landers led by Israeli and Japanese teams failed during their descents to the lunar surface in 2019 and in April of this year, and there was the attempt made by India's Chandrayaan 2 mission four years ago.

> Two more US-built landers developed under contract with NASA by two commercial companies—Astrobotic and Intuitive Machines—appear on track for launch before the end of the year, assuming a satisfactory conclusion to final ground tests, and in the case of Astrobotic, the readiness of United Launch Alliance's new Vulcan rocket. A second Intuitive Machines lunar lander, previously set for launch toward the end of this year, has now been delayed into 2024.

> Japan is also poised to launch its first lunar lander mission later this week—liftoff is scheduled for Friday night, US time—but that spacecraft won't be in position to touch down on the Moon for about four to six months.

>elon responding to shitty AI pic dickriding
Grim

>>15684468
Thanks, bought the doge dip

https://www.thespacereview.com/index.html

New weekly space review articles

>>15684465
>Redeeming

>>15684468
I've got that shitty fucking account muted. Any time i see doge it's an instant mute, any mention of crypto. cleans up my feed real nice. fuck elon for boosting these bottomfeeders

>>15684471
for some reason many of the articles each week are in the vein "space bad" from some sociologist or other retard, I really don't get it (not this foust article, but on the list)

https://www.thespacereview.com/article/4640/1

>>15684404
>tfw included on the screencap

Simpler times

>>15684468
YEAH

WE DO NEED TO GET A MOVE ON WITH STARSHIP

SO HOW ABOUT YOU STOP FUCKING AROUND WITH XEETER, GET YOUR ASS DOWN TO BOCA CHICA AND BRIBE WHATEVER GOVERNMENT REPTILES NEED BRIBING TO CUT THE RED TAPE.

>>15684463
The obvious truth being the writer has an all-lesbian fetish fantasy

>>15684481
> Many Transporter customers, though, don’t sign up directly with SpaceX but instead with several companies that serve as aggregators. Those companies line up customers and arrange to host them on Transporter missions, in some cases offering additional services like orbital transfer vehicles that can deploy those satellites into different orbits. The most recent Transporter launch, Transporter-8 in June, included payloads arranged by D-Orbit, Exolaunch, Launcher, Maverick Space Systems, and Momentus, in addition to customers that worked directly with SpaceX.

> Those and other companies, like ISILaunch, SEOPS, and, until recently, Spaceflight, have worked for many years to find rideshare launch opportunities on launch vehicles around the world. (Spaceflight, a pioneer in rideshare launches, was acquired in June by Firefly Aerospace, who said it would not accept any new customers for Spaceflight so it could focus on its own launch services.) The introduction of Transporter missions, with both a regular cadence as well as large capacity, has been a godsend to aggregators.

> “SpaceX has completely changed the paradigm of rideshare launches,” said Jeanne Allarie, chief commercial officer of Exolaunch. “Rideshare launches have never been so reliable and affordable.”

>>15684490
> Defecting to Rocket Lab

> Rocket Lab is becoming the only option for many customers seeking dedicated launches as other providers encounter difficulties. Astra, for example, withdrew its Rocket 3.3 vehicle from the market a year ago after a series of failures, saying it would devote its resources to its larger Rocket 4 under development. But as Astra’s finances are strained, the company is shifting those resources to a separate unit that builds electric propulsion systems for satellites.

>Other companies are facing a combination of technical or business issues. ABL Space Systems is still working to return its RS1 rocket to flight after the failure of its inaugural launch in January. Relativity Space decided to retire its Terran 1 rocket after a single, unsuccessful launch in March so it could work on the much larger Terran R. Firefly, which reached orbit with its Alpha rocket last fall, has not launched since as it waits for the go-ahead from the Space Force for a responsive launch demo.

>In Europe, Orbex, a company working on a small launch vehicle called Prime, had its founding CEO, Chris Larmour, suddenly resign in the spring, saying he had taken the company “as far as I can personally.” Orbex has since hired a new CEO, Martin Coates, but provided few updates on the progress of Prime.

>Spain’s PLD Space attempted a suborbital launch of its Miura 1 rocket, a prototype of its Miura 5 small launch vehicle, in June, only to abort the launch when umbilical cables failed to separate from the rocket as required. The company has rescheduled the launch for no earlier than September from a military base in southwestern Spain.

>>15684436

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agYuEAkEljw

stream starts in 6 minutes

>>15684500
>scamlink mission n° 4576
kys

>>15684500
I think this is the first launch into shell 7?

Stream is live. No intro today.

>>15684500
> This is the 15th flight for the first stage booster supporting this mission, which previously launched Crew-1, Crew-2, SXM-8, CRS-23, IXPE, Transporter-4, Transporter-5, Globalstar FM15, ISI EROS C-3, and five Starlink missions. Following stage separation, the first stage will land on the Of Course I Still Love You droneship, which will be stationed in the Pacific Ocean.

>>15684524
This is the only commentary this launch has gotten so far, lol

>>15684526
It's all very pedestrian when it's Just Another Starlink launch.
They probably have better things to do than repeat the same shit for the 300th time.

>>15684500
These have gotten so routine that I was legitimately on the fence about staying up another 15 minutes to see the landing. I don't even have to get up at any particular time tomorrow.

how long until starship launches are this boring

>>15684530
I've not bothered to watch plenty of times before even if I saw a launch would be happening and I had nothing else particularly happening

That interstage is looking proper grotty.

Even my wife, Clear, can barely muster any enthusiasm for yet another st*rlink launch.

>>15684529
There are few greater testaments to a rocket than a lack of drama.

Yeah. A few years ago it was crazy to watch booster land. And now it became routine

>>15684542
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGJCFDTTKOo

>>15684547
she started talking english lol

>>15684533
Grounded indefinitely until SpaceX can prove its not just hurling an exploding grain silo into the lower atmosphere. I suspect there will be intense political pressure (from the likes of Sen. Ted Cruz) to get the ball rolling again.

>>15684547
>>15684548
It's fucking cute

>>15684549
pic rel

I hope other countries and companies will start landing boosters. It at least will be more interesting with chances of fail

>>15684548
She was trying so hard bro, Elon NEEDS to hire her, fuck these 3dpd hoes

Welp there it was
First no commentary launch
I feared the day it would happen

Stage 1 landing confirm
impact shutdown

>>15684563
it's kinda kino and professional

>>15684548
Money is tight. Not enough true weeaboos to fleece.

>>15684482
Excuse me anon Clear is the only /sfg/ vtuber you can post here

https://twitter.com/Grimezsz/status/1693842420192940346

so X is going to be turboautistic?

>>15684571
https://twitter.com/Grimezsz/status/1693844591512895943

okay less autistic than grimes lol

>>15684571
Absolutely

>>15684571
>a few months into knowing I'm autistic
The last person on earth to discover that Grimes is autistic is... Grimes.

>>15684581
Ok now THIS is based.

>>15684581
X is just a vessel that Musk is slowly transferring his soul into

>>15684571
I went on wikipedia to check out if X was the kid born via surrogate, but just what the fuck are this man's relationships. He unironically fucked a Google co-founder's wife. Like in the fuckin bo burnham song about bezos.

>>15684611
Femoids can't resist the BMC

>>15684626
he doesn't even need to use it, they'll go for artificial insemination as well.

>>15684407

>>15684571
brb, buying tickets to Grimes concert
later virgins

>Be rocket company
>Developing next gen rocket
>Cancel production of existing rocket before next gen one is finished
Are they retarded? SpaceX didn't cancel falcon 9 for starship. Even a smaller company like rocket lab didn't do that shit with electron.

>>15684712
are you talking about relativity?

https://twitter.com/PawanKChandana/status/1693878114831794215

>>15684714
ULA and ArianeSpace too.

https://twitter.com/coastal8049/status/1693849616243188209

> #Chandrayaan3 (and family) trajectory update for 2023-08-21.
>Landing is over a day away. Doppler modelling to the orbits of CH2 and CH3_LM is very good now.
>Let's look at the details of the landing based on the orbits and see how it all comes together.

>>15684463
>>15684488
watch Sexmission
there's no movie quite like it

>>15684719
>>15684722
How are they this good compared to Russia?

>>15684722
https://twitter.com/coastal8049/status/1693849620529770837

> #Chandrayaan3 lander's orbit is very well described by the Doppler data. The residuals are very low and the wobbles you see in the residual plot are artificial and introduced by the ground station. The final orbit is precisely known now allowing landing timing estimates.

>>15684720
well wasn't ULA limited by Russian engines, which they ran out of and cant get more off
and ArianeSpace probably made the decision to stop building them long time ago and assumed Ariane 6 would not be delayed as much as it has

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariane_6
> In 2017, the European Space Agency (ESA) set 16 July 2020 as the deadline for the first fligh

restarting Ariane 5 production would probably have been very expensive, just cheaper to put the payloads on Falcon 9, its not like ESA loses the ability to launch anything to orbit at all due to Europe being close allies with the US
the only problem is perhaps some humiliation or something but in the end does it really matter?
the way bigger problem is that they didn't try to start developing a reusable rocket long time ago, Ariane 6 is going to be completely obsolete and its not even launching yet

>>15684724
>Russia has fallen to be worse than Jeetistan
that's how

>>15684729
https://twitter.com/coastal8049/status/1693849623956443354

> Propagating the orbital state vector for #Chandrayaan3 until the perilune before the landing places us here vs. the landing site at about 2023-08-23T12:13:41 UTC. The lander needs a little over 14.5 minutes from beginning the sequence to land. So it looks about right.

>>15684724
thy have recent experience with a landing attempt of Chandraayan-2
the soviets/russia attempted a landing 50 years ago, Luna-25 has nothing in common with Luna-24 as far as I know, no components, no people, nothing at all

>>15684734
https://twitter.com/coastal8049/status/1693849627521630378
> Meanwhile what is #Chandrayaan2 up to? How will it help?
>It will be positioned antipodal to CH3 at the time of the landing attempt. It's role in the mission appears to be support after landing as it will pass over the site just after the landing is completed. Makes sense.

https://twitter.com/isro/status/1693879632481935555

>>15684736
https://twitter.com/coastal8049/status/1693869241110569172

do the needful

How difficult/expensive would it be to build a second VAB? Starbase pumps them out like hotcakes

>>15684729
The last production batch of Ariane 5 (which notably included significant improvements in the core stage) was, until Early 2018, planned to be 18 rockets large.

For a variety of reason,
>decrease in GTO Comsat market size, >competition with spacex forcing Arianespace to lower A5 cost - and this increase subsidies -
>desire to shift payloads from A5 to A6, in an effort to help justify the later,
>2018 A5 partial failure adding cost & decreasing its commercial prospects

this last batch was changed from 18 to 10 launchers in early 2018. For some unknown reason, it was quietly reduced from 10 to 8 launchers, no announcement of this second reduction was ever made, and official reports about it are rare.

By 2018, the official maiden launch of A6 was still planned for mid 2020, by 2019 still planned for late 2020

There has been a monumental communication and honesty mistakes between the various branches of Arianegroup, Arianespace and esa.

A5 production started to be phased out in 2020, the last core left for Guyana in November 2022.

A6 was designed to be able to be operationally produced as A5 was being phased out, there was no need for A5 to end for A6 to launch.

>>15684748
not that easy in vabery

Why nobody told me about CSS? It took a French with a small channel to make me aware of a space station outside of ISS.

>>15684748
the decisions behind SLS are not based on cost, performance or speed, but by who has happened to lobby most so the contract money gets directed at them
SLS existing as a retarded amalgamation of random parts shows this already

>>15684447
He's not a true Scotsman

>>15684755
We talk about the ISS only slightly more than the CSS here (in fact we talk about the other CSS more). They're not exciting or interesting because they have no future, they're entirely dependent on earth: I'd prefer to talk about ISRU on the moon or mars. Some of the history related stuff and interesting experiments sometimes get attention though.

>>15684748
Stop posting low tier twitter baits you cretin.

>>15684770
Fo

>>15684764
>they have no future
>because they're entirely dependent on earth
ok dude

>>15684779
anon, ISS decom has been delayed for ages, they aren't planning to extend or change the ISS beyond maintenance and even if they did, all that would translate to is an increase in NASAs annual expenses. Mars colonization actually has a promising future.

muh deek

>>15684755
I think we talk about tiangong every time it does something interesting like a spacewalk or a crew transfer. not much to talk about between those though.

>>15684779
While the research on the ISS is valuable, it's pretty small scale. The station is really more of a daycare for space agencies. If we're going to have long term space travel then we need to actually practice it.

feasibility of this system?

>>15684719
Best of luck to India.

>>15684825
too heavy for the airframe

>>15684825

>>15684827
they are going to SHIT on the MOON
or something, I don't know what the hip insults for India are these days, you can't say superpower 2020 anymore because it's 2023

>>15684585
Hahahahah

>>15684831
They might not do much on the moon but them landing on it represents another nation getting better at spaceflight. More spaceflight is always better.

>>15684829
>Max payload: 250 tons
Anyone know any rockets with a wet mass of 250 tons?

>>15684831
Americans already left plastic bags full of human shit on the moon

>>15684841
The smallest delta IV, 249,500 kg

>>15684844
yeah but that was BASED and AMERICAN shit, not Indian STREET shitter GARBAGE

>>15684841
A S-IVB with an Apollo module?

>>15684844
how would the US react if an Indian probe went an picked up the US bags of shit?

>>15684500
I've stopped watching Starlink launches years ago.

>>15684852
Are you proposing that India clone all 12 astronauts from the freeze dried body cells in their poop?

>4x2.5 km landing ellipse
>vs 30x15 km of Luna-25
>launched in a solid/hypergolic/cryogenic indigenous rocket
INDIA SUPERPOWER NOW

>>15684844
designated shitting moon

>>15684863
>an o'neill cylinder full of neil armstrong clones
Imagine.

https://twitter.com/SERobinsonJr/status/1680655205623316481?s=20

the article is longer than the screenshot

>>15684737
Best of luck. Though BRICS failure is acceptable too.

>>15684883
>part 9 - twitter
>make it so shit that people would literally move to mars just to be as far away from that train wreck as possible

>>15684883
https://twitter.com/SERobinsonJr/status/1683472003955654658?s=20

these are separate long posts/articles

>>15684892
https://twitter.com/SERobinsonJr/status/1686183111955030016?s=20

>>15684891
no that is part 3 actually

>>15684894
https://twitter.com/SERobinsonJr/status/1691082416696258561?s=20

>>15684736
I'll watch this guy stream tomorrow rather than official and them cutting to politicians in control room every 10 seconds

>>15684899
https://twitter.com/SERobinsonJr/status/1693616283068055994?s=20

SpaceX is going to be the final part (part 6), but it is not out yet

>>15684748
david willis is right

It needs to be exactly the same as the apollo era because it's going to be a museum

How much telescope do I need to make out features on mars? Not like real features, but I want to be able to see that some parts are light red, some are dark red, and the poles are white. I’m tired of it being a stupid red dot.

>>15684434
-nuzzles you- uwu

>>15684916
12 inch reflector or larger and lucky imaging software

Only interesting question about next Starship launch is how many engines will shut down before it explodes

>>15684465
>Russia's Luna 24 mission returned Moon rocks to Earth with a robotic spacecraft in 1976. Since then, it's been all China.
>1976
>all China

I get the feeling a bug wrote that article. If you go back 51 years, not 47, the USA had humans on the moon.
Last I checked, USA is the only one to have done this.

Its easy to claim superiority when you set your own goal posts.

>>15684905
tl:dr
1)The Boring Company: minining, tunneling between colonies for transportation, underground habitats, geothermal energy
2) Neuralink: greater adaptibility through enchantments (telepathy, integration with AI, health monitoring,advanced prostethics, augmented senses, direct communication with equipment, remote telepresence, direct virtual reality immersion)
3) X/twitter: build public interest and support, collaboration, crowdsourcing ideas (lol)
4)xAI: its AI, could improve everything
5) Tesla: autonomous rovers on the surface and in tunnels, solar panels and batteries, optimus humanoid robot for general and hazardous work

I left some stuff out that felt like a reach (maybe the things mentioned are too, but some was pretty out there to try to tie directly into Mars colonization, like better banking)

>>15685010
you are reading way too much into it, the point is just about who has had activity on the moon in the last 50 years

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/aug/21/the-big-idea-should-we-colonise-other-planets

>>15685024
physiognomy is real guys, look at that thing.

>>15685024
> If the notion of a “colonial transporter” gave you a twinge of unease, you’re not alone. Associations of space exploration with colonialism have existed ever since it was first mooted in the 17th century. Some advocates ridicule the comparison: there are surely no indigenous people to witness the arrival of the first crewed spaceships on Mars. But the analogy gets stronger when thinking about how commercial incentives might distort rights afforded to the settlers (Musk has floated the idea of loans to get to Mars City being paid off by work on arrival), or how colonial powers waged proxy wars in far-off lands. And if the argument is that these settlements would exist to save us from catastrophe on Earth, the question of who gets to go becomes more acute. So far it has been the rich and famous.

> Perhaps the most pernicious aspect of the “Columbus” comparison, however, is that it encourages us to believe that space is just another ocean to sail, with the lure of virgin lands to draw us. But other worlds are not the New World; space is harsh beyond any earthly comparison, and it will be constantly trying to kill you. Quite aside from the cold and airlessness, the biggest danger is the radiation: streams of charged, high-energy particles, from which we are shielded by the Earth’s magnetic field. Currently, a crewed mission to Mars would be prohibited by the permitted radiation limits for astronauts. We don’t have any solutions to that problem.

its so tiresome

>>15685026
Kek. I think he’s a brit. But he looks french canadian

>>15685029
Why did you even bother reading it? The title, publisher and author should've told you all you needed to know.

>>15685026
https://youtu.be/UxI5qQAUWVc

>>15685029
It's tiresome for you? Try and imagine how completely exhausting it must be to live as that wretched creature.

>>15685031
>a brit
No wonder he's terrified of space.

>>15685029
>Perhaps the most pernicious aspect of the “Columbus” comparison, however, is that it encourages us to believe that space is just another ocean to sail, with the lure of virgin lands to draw us. But other worlds are not the New World; space is harsh beyond any earthly comparison, and it will be constantly trying to kill you.
How to tell the writer has never looked at, thought, or read about ocean travel be it modern or historical.

>>15685038

>>15685040
lol

>>15685040
How to tell you lack basic reading comprehension.

>>15685024
We must be utterly ruthless in our domination of the solar system. It is our manifest destiny

>>15685044
Nope that anon is right, the “guy” (bong) makes a stupid comparison

>>15685051
What do you think the point of the comparison was, retard? Can you sum it up?

>>15685024
Sure "colonization" is associated with European Colonialism, but it's being used in a different way in regards to space colonization.

>>15685056
>But other worlds are not the New World; space is harsh beyond any earthly comparison, and it will be constantly trying to kill you.
This is a stupid statement, it shows lack of knowledge of the new world. He’s trying to contrast two things that are similar

>>15685065
>harsh in earthly terms
>harsh beyond any earthly comparison
>He’s trying to contrast two things that are similar

the colonization of the new world was more lethal than mars colonization could ever be.

>>15685068
Yes thank you for proving my point. And you provided a self portrait for some reason?

>space launch stream without commentary
this is a monumental point in history - the first time ever?

>>15684571
do not be tricked into buying tickets to experience female autism
female autism =/= male autism
anons beware

>>15685083
The first spacex one yes
Tons of launches never had a stream or had extremely boring one
We still had some commentary.

>>15685077
Go breathe some fresh, salty sea air instead of your stale basement stench, then come back to me. Your brain is clearly oxygen deprived. If that doesn't help, fuck off to space and breathe in some vacuum.

>>15685075
you have that backwards. it will be lethal beyond measure for the martian natives

>>15685090
I wish, unfortunately nobody would have the stomach for it and the government would shut it down.

>>15685075
I mean, Mars is more leathal than the New World. At least the air is free in the New World.

I wish there were little green men to rape, enslave and genocide

>>15685089
I hope you have a good day!

>>15685044
How so? Stating that space travel is unimaginably more dangerous than traveling the seas, especially before the golden age of sail, is rather silly. Can you imagine if manned spaceflight just accepted a good 5% of the crew would die every trip?
Of course I'm not saying I wouldn't want to see the equivalent of clippers where the captains literally worked the crews to death just for a bit more speed in getting around the world saying the ocean isn't just another ocean with its own different but equal challenges is silly.

>>15685098
is it though? we have way better technology now than 400 years ago
if I would have to guess, Mars colonization will be less deadly overall than the new world colonization efforts (the deaths being due to the dangerous journey, dangerous natives, starving to death, diseases or whatever is irrelevant)
looking at mars colonization in vacuum and comparing it to american colonization is retarded without taking into account the technology

>>15685104
See >>15685089

>>15685106
are you the same retard in the previous threads whining about varda
shit takes after shit takes

>>15685111
I have no idea who you're referring to but I hope he sees it and knows how butthurt he made you. lol

STOP THE COUNT

>>15685115
he was just as clueless as you are so it fit, regurgitating some mainstream but wrong ideas

https://twitter.com/agadmator/status/1693647227309166916

india superpower 2030 actually happening?

>>15685106
You're just as likely to die in the open sea with a hole in your ship as you are in the vacuum of space. There's no one coming to save you, no one even knows where you are and your only hope is to make sure you die quick rather than drown. Just because earth has air doesn't make your death any less certain.

>hole-death

Sounds like something your mum dies from

>>15685105
Yes, the technology is better but Mars is far less tolerant of mistakes and accidents than the New World.

>>15685123
He lives rent free in your head. Breathe in some vacuum, retard.

>>15685136
sounds fishy, people were dying in fucking scores during new world colonization, whole colonies died out, shit got dire.
In a way, I think natives who really want to kill you are worse than no air.

>>15685130
>You're just as likely to die in the open sea
I'm just as likely to die in the open sea without wearing 280 pounds, $120,000,000 worth of intricate technology, as I am in space? But the real sad thing is that you autists keep putting emphasis on the wrong thing and missing the actual point: you wouldn't be getting anywhere remotely hospitable at the end of your journey, your final destination would be another utterly inhospitable hellhole where nothing can live, let alone thrive.

>>15685147
>I'm just as likely to die in the open sea without wearing 280 pounds, $120,000,000 worth of intricate technology, as I am in space?
unironically yes. also, adjusting for technology, the new world was just as hostile, if not more so than mars.

>>15685151
>unironically yes
Oh. So you're literally, clinically psychotic. Last (You) for you.

>>15685155
adjusted for inflation, those ships that took people to america were probably as expensive as rockets today, faggot. You simply have never read a book in your life, and assume that things in the past couldn't have been that bad.

>>15685089
kek'd. space redditors really are lunatics

>>15685162
additionally: see examples like jamestown: 12% survival rate. It's unlikely that those kinds of casualty rates will happen on mars, and even if they do, how likely is it that colonization continues at a decent pace after that.

>>15685162
>>15685175
Your desparation is off the charts. I wish you were sent off to rot in some space pod in an off-planet desert. I'd send you there without a suit, but I'm willing to settle. Too bad we both know it will never, ever happen.

When the FUCK is starship going to launch again?

>>15685179
kek, why are you so mad? do you honestly think mars colonization will be as deadly as new world colonization? Explain why you think that a 12% survival rate could ever happen with even a semi-competent colonization effort.

>>15685162
>those ships that took people to america were probably as expensive as rockets today
Someone with history experience should look into that. I tried to find it but all I got was "ship price was highly variable at the time so it's hard to estimate".

>>15685189
Why are you so mad? Is it because of this guy you keep talking about from the other thread?

>tfw India is the only nation state with a serious space program

>>15685182

>>15685098
>At least the air is free in the New World
Also rivers for drinking from and lots of fauna to eat. Flora was trickier - it might be toxic - but you could bring edible crops, fruits and vegetables from Europe. The native humans were the only major problem

>>15685145
well that remains to be seen, but if I had to guess there will be a much lower total mortality rate of colonists on mars colonies compared to new world colonies
you would have to have multiple colonies being wiped out completely multiple times to get near how bad it got, though I'm not too well versed in the history of new world colonization

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_history_of_the_United_States#Early_colonial_failures

looking through these listed:
>San Miguel de Gualdape, 600 in, 150 out > 75% mortality
> Joara, all but one of 120 dead due to native uprisings, 99% mortality
> Ajacán Mission. entire party massacred except one boy, didn't find the size of the party but I would imagine close to 99% mortality
> Fort Caroline, a french fort, first attempt failed and colonists were reduced to cannibalism on the journey back, second attempt with 200-250 people got massacred by the spanish, 50 women and children survived. the spanish burned the fort, established their own, which subsequently got burned down and slaughtered by the french again later as revenge
> french colonization attempt of texas, established in 1685 in the wrong spot, by 1687 fewer than 45 of the original 180 remained, by 1689 the colony was dead (unclear what exactly happened)
> roanoke, 112 to 121 dead, 100% mortality
> Popham Colony, abandoned after 14 months though not due to failure of the colony itself but the patrons (people paying for it) died

>>15685199
no, there were plenty of other problems too like not able to hunt or grow food and starving
native populations traded with colonies at times and gave useful information, so it wasn't black or white
sometimes you got massacred, sometimes you got food from them

>>15685206
>native populations traded with colonies at times and gave useful information, so it wasn't black or white
Try trading with the native population of Mars. You people are legit mental. lol

>>15685199
add drought and famine.
The main point is that a lot of new world problems were unpredictable, you were likely to die to just plain bad luck. Since mars is so dead, and hydroponic food supply isn't going to have to deal with unpredictable droughts, the problems will be technically more difficult, but also more predictable.

>>15685198
A fortnite from now.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1693987100042121332

>>15685083
Next milestone is just a press statement.

>>15685228
Remember when some ULA plant tried to kill Tim with a car

https://twitter.com/mcrs987/status/1693764683243618642

>>15684611
Wiki is rumor central and will publish anything unfounded.

When the hit piece tabloid about Musk cheating on Sergey's wife was published where they claimed Sergey and Musk had strained relations due to that, Musk rebutted by posting a picture of himself and Sergey at a party together lmao. Wiki cannot be trusted on anything right of the communist manifesto.

I thought the delaminated fingernail thing was just a body horror meme. Look at pesquet’s finger. Holy crap hahah did the EMU glove do this to him??

>>15685259
>introducing our newest Starship the SXSS Challenger

>>15685269
can it be trusted anything left of it either? being factual about some things might be detrimental to the agenda, so I would say anything that is political or can be thought to be political should be taken with a grain of salt

>The target of a space debris removal mission appears to have been struck by space debris:
https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1693990467741139444?t=LqTXHNCcEZSY3EKkTeRMBA&s=19

>>15685274
Name of the artist? That has got to be the best drawn ass on a blue fox I've ever seen.

>>15685273
>can it be trusted anything left of it either
No. If they cant be trusted on anything left of communist manifesto, it can't be trusted on anything on the modern leftist communism either.

The whole of wiki enterprise is tilted towards the left. You have the cofounder making disparaging remarks about how the establishment left took control of the wikipedia.

>https://nypost.com/2021/07/16/wikipedia-co-founder-says-site-is-now-propaganda-for-left-leaning-establishment/

Similarly, earlier this year, we found out about how wiki worked with DoD to remove the Hunter Biden laptop articles and stories. When the deep state has that much connection to wiki, you know its all theatre.

>>15685274
>Half of everything is luck, James
>…and the other half?
>Fate

>>15685270
if you read moon walker reports, they had their fingernails lift off... they say they should have done wayyyyy more hand exercises before launch

>>15685278
Fluff-Kevlar

>>15685270
Why do space suit gloves do this?

>>15685037
lol, those comments.
since normies don't know what actual racism looks like anymore, as long as you avoid the red flags, it's relatively easy to make zoomers racist. Drop a few things here and there on innocuous subjects and you're on your way.

>>15685282
RIP Arecibo

Out of the loop
When the fuck is starship launching?
Aren't they meant to do a demo lunar landing next year?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fenRmzOGKgI
LAUNCH SYSTEM 2

>>15685303
I think the current estimate is about two weeks

>>15685303
two weeks

>>15685303
14 days

>>15685305
>Reaver doesn’t even throttle
In the year of our Lord 2023, no less. Is this a a cost saving thing?

>>15685306
>>15685308
>>15685309
I see...

>>15685303
One fortnight

>>15685305
These guys aren't dead yet? Wtf

>>15685303
SpaceX is nearly ready. They've submitted the launch review to FAA in July. OLMs are built and ready. You've seen it down at Starbase. Starships are ready. Boosters are ready. Stacking is prepped.

>>15685316
https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1694019925667459409

Booster 9 going to launch site with the hot staging mod ready

>>15685317
>>15685316
So
Two weeks?

>>15684982
No. The real interesting question is have they perfected spin separation?

>>15685303
NET aug 31 for next IFT flight

>>15685323
>he doesn't know

>>15685321
1.2 million seconds.

>>15685321
2 weeks

>>15685271
Starship-inspired Energia

>>15685316
Starship is ready? I thought it had still a few engines not installed

How long until either Starlink or even SpaceX IPO's? I want to be rich dammit

>>15685323
They perfected it by omitting it

>>15685323
no, and they won't even try this time

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1692610662604702138

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTvS4jTfQ2k

>>15685311
They are almost not joking, actually. NET for the next orbital test is 31 of this August, and things will likely slip a bit, as they always do, it probably is about 2 weeks.

rollin

>>15685337
Never
They gave up on the idea of starlink ipo
And elon will never let spacex go public

>>15685337
just buy tesla nigga, cybetruck about to start deliveries, FSD about to be ready, energy is really starting to hit its stride

>>15685344
Is she gonna make it to successful stage sep, bros? I’m sick of these raptors shitting the bed

>>15685323
The best spin maneuver is no spin maneuver, so yes.

>>15685345
> They gave up on the idea of starlink ipo
really? when?
I always thought it was kind of weird for Starlink to IPO, wouldn't they make more money longterm by just keeping it in
IPOing something is about getting immediate capital, maybe Musk thought that would be necessary for Starship or Mars colonization, but just getting Starlink online and profitable would give them a steady stream of cash anyway

>>15685346
>cybetruck about to start deliveries,
Delusional

>>15685346
I can't afford Tesla, it's already priced out

>>15685337
A publicly owned space launch company is a terrible idea. One bad launch and the company goes under.

>>15685351
>I always thought it was kind of weird for Starlink to IPO, wouldn't they make more money longterm by just keeping it in
It was because of monopoly/regulation if you read between the lines
Now that every other nation and company is copying starlink it doesn't matter

>>15685337
Hopefully never. Publicly traded companies have too many back-seat drivers.

>>15685354
what the fuck

>>15685354
move to colorado
7500 + 5000 local credit + 2000 off list price since refresh soon
41k for base 3 to $27,000
still expensive for a lot of people obv but that's cheaper than a new corolla

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMORlTFv61M

>>15685354
It's like $250 a share

>>15685364
He's talking about the stock, not the car.

I WANT TO SEE THE BIG ROCKET. WHEN WILL THE BIG ROCKET FLY?

>>15685356
that makes sense

>>15684463
only if it includes a spermbank

>>15685355
Buy the dip

>>15685344
Where is the rocket girl art with the new tiara

https://interestingengineering.com/science/22-people-are-enough-to-build-and-sustain-martian-colony

> A new study led by George Mason University in Fairfax, Virginia, concluded that only 22 colonists were enough to build a Martian settlement. Previous estimates claimed a Mars colony would take 110 people to create and sustain.

the study
https://arxiv.org/abs/2308.05916

> Our goal is to better understand the behavioral and psychological interactions of future Martian colonists through an Agent-Based Modeling (ABM simulation) approach. We seek to identify areas of consideration for planning a colony as well as propose a minimum initial population size required to create a stable colony. Accounting for engineering and technological limitations, we draw on research regarding high performing teams in isolated and high stress environments (ex: submarines, Arctic exploration, ISS, war) to include the 4 basic personality types within the ABM. Interactions between agents with different psychological profiles are modeled at the individual level, while global events such as accidents or delays in Earth resupply affect the colony as a whole. From our multiple simulations and scenarios (up to 28 Earth years), we found that an initial population of 22 was the minimum required to maintain a viable colony size over the long run. We also found that the agreeable personality type was the one more likely to survive. We find, contrary to other literature, that the minimum number of people with all personality types that can lead to a sustainable settlement is in the tens and not hundreds.

What kind of nuclear reactor design would be best for powering a Martian vehicle that’s light enough to be carried on board by said space tractor?

>>15685392
Kilopower

>>15685386
please do not post garbage like this. 110 was dumb, 22 is dumb, mostly because psychology is dumb.

>>15685397
what did he mean by this?

>>15685365

>>15685371
Half of a month.

>>15685411

>>15685427

>>15685431
apparently court records show that SpaceX might go to a jury trial about this plot of land in December

>>15685433
I truly wish the Government would nationalize SpaceX, emminent domain the entire city of Brownsville and then denationalize it and sell the land to them. Spaceports are too small.

Only the best moving blankets for one of mankind's most advanced rocket engines

>>15685450
That sounds like a very corrupt thing to do.

>>15685451
lol what is the point of those

>>15685462
Keeps the metal from getting scratched. Raptor's not regen cooled right?

>>15685433
What did the plot of land do

>>15685465
>Raptor's not regen cooled right?
of course it is regen cooled

>>15685352
https://twitter.com/SERobinsonJr/status/1693958459518001230

>>15685475
This is not possible and even if it were it's illegal

>>15684863
No cloning, sir. We simply want to worship shit.

>>15685450
I’m pretty sure the feds and/or the State could just give them the land without nationalizing them lol. They could cite national security or NASA importance and be done with it. I’m pretty sure Texas was discussing imminent domain for the Hou-Dal bullet train idea

anyone else think that building a surface colony before building a giant space station is putting the cart before the horse?

going in the chopstick embrace

>>15685512
no. giant space stations don't answer the pressing question of partial gravity effect on humans plus there's no ISRU resources to exploit.

>>15685512
no
a surface colony is much, much easier

>>15685512
If you want to ISRU, it makes sense to build a surface colony
a space station would have to do ISRU anyway or get constant shipments from earth, a surface colony should hopefully get some ISRU stuff going on pretty quickly like water and oxygen
spinhabs for habitation probably make sense later, but you need some industrial base

>>15685513
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r8hasM9gA4

>>15685512
If you’re spending all the dV to get to a place like Mars it doesn’t really cost you any more (relatively speaking) to just land. And taking off from Mars and getting back into orbit is trivial (again, relatively speaking)
And I’d much rather be on the surface than in martian orbit if I had to be there for a long time

How long until they roll out a stacked sssh instead of stacking at the launch site? Isn’t that better?

>>15685526
Never. Stacking at the launchpad with the chopsticks is core to how rapid reuse will work.

>>15685526
Seconding this question. Also when will it roll out with the tower on river rocks

>>15685526
Never, because there is no VAB at Starbase.

>>15685316
Please phrase this as Charlie's speech

>>15685555
It's not that easy in speechery

>>15685523
I want to fly on this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz1Wb5eZtFY

> Dive deep into the recent advancements at the Kennedy Space Center with Jack Beyer and the NSF team. In this Cape Flyover episode, we bring you exclusive insights into SpaceX's Roberts Road facility and Blue Origin's New Glenn progress. Don't miss out on the construction updates of crew access towers, launch pad activities, and intriguing details from our flyovers. Sponsored by Brilliant. Subscribe for more aerospace updates!

>>15685567
>New Glenn updates
oxymoron

>>15685512
whatever is easier will happen first. spoiler alert, we're building oneill colonies hundreds of years before the first human ever sets foot on mars

>>15685567
New Glenn test tank undergoing a stress test

>>15685466
Whoever owns it won't sell it to SpaceX even though it's right in the middle of Starbase.

https://twitter.com/esherifftv/status/1694037927313936678

Zubrin taking his time with Ellie tomorrow

>>15685580
Basado

>>15685583
picture from BO from June 14th but only posted recently, analyzed

>>15685588
Seriously these tanks are probably like 2-3x more expensive than they need to be (if not more). BO has already bid NG at a pretty “reasonable” price so I don’t understand why they went with a more expensive fabrication method for everything. They could have cut production costs by a ton and taken home more revenue per flight. I had oldspace leadership so much it’s unreal

I'm really baffled with how fond the lagging space industry is of the tortoise and hare fable yet they can't remember how that story went.

The tortoise did not win because he was slow and the rabbit was fast. The tortoise did not win because he did it carefully and the rabbit cut corners. The tortoise won because the rabbit was content with where he was and took a nap. I don't need to explain the irony here.

>>15685580
Are we the Ramans?

It's so sad that Elon Musk died of Ligma.

>>15685603
who's elon musk?

>>15685603
What are balls?

>>15685607
SpaceSux my balls lmao

>>15685603
Stale reddit tier meme fuck off not even ironically funny.

>>15685614
You're right, post more krystal

>>15685614
seething

So starship fires the sea level engines inches away from the hotstaging protection plate. How is this viable

>>15685620
maybe its a work in progress, doesn't need to be reusable yet to test other systems

>>15685620
>So starship fires the sea level engines inches away from the hotstaging protection plate.
how do you know? you made it up

>>15685620
The hot-staging ring is secretly a magnetic fusion confinement cell.

>>15685600
It’s extremely ironic, like I can’t speak for every country but surely in America the tortoise and the hare is the first fable you ever learn hahahah

>>15685620
Wrong, they'll fire VacRaps first.

>>15685626
according to >>15685365 just using the vacuum raptors on Starship will not give enough TWR and using max gimbal on the sea level raptors means the engine bell is going to be inches away from the hot staging ring plate (and it didn't look like it could even gimbal far enough so some of the exhaust would hit the plate anyway)

pic is from 9:30, speculation I guess

>>15685512
This only makes sense for Venus

>>15685614
Ligma balls

>>15685616

>>15685620
They don't

>>15685625
The engines need to survive even if the booster doesnt

USA, Soviet Union, Japan, China, Europe, India, Israel, UAE and many more privateniggers. There are way too many subhumans in space

What is the quintessential "spacer culture" movie?

>>15685668
me on the right

>>15685687
what?

>>15685687
Aliens

>>15685687
spaceballs

>>15685395
Generally speaking, a fast gas-cooled reactor
Out of the ones that actually exist?
none.
Out of the ones that might possibly one day get made?
USNC's Pylon
10 ton, 300kWe (for reference, 300kW is like a big truck engine)
realistically the only option, given the fact terrestrial SMRs that are in development generally start at 50 tons (most are way >150t) and to remind you, that's without the extra mass for additional radiators necessary for operation in space that you'd have to bolt on
there's also Rolls Royce's pitch for space reactor, but they are really nebulous about the specs and it seems to be just 3d render grift more than anything else
>>15685395
kilopower is too anaemic and SLS level of overpriced

>>15685695
> ftl fantasy drive
>popsci_mush.png

>>15684395
When is the test flight?

>>15685701
>popsci_mush.png
forced meme

>>15685701
You have the regular jury-rigger looking colonists building terraforming machines, all owned by a heartless megacorporation run by dickhead suit wearing penpushers, meanwhile the marines are perfectly just marines kek (future space force)

>>15685706
Is this before they add the solar cells? Beautiful

>>15685687
Drive (2011)

>>15685512
And what the fuck are we gonna do on a giant space station. Another money dump. With surface colony we can at least say to politicians that it can be profitable some day

Like you know that money is the main problem. If there was some rare resource on Moon that everyone needs there would have been multiple cities in 70s on Moon

>>15685687
Starfield

is he a furry?

>>15685836
If the object of your consternation is living in your head rent free, it says more about you than the object.

>>15685836
when will he change that creepy fucking face profile, makes his vids hard to watch

>>15685849
retard, his profile is based

>>15685853
creepyface

>>15685853
based on what?

>>15684712
Falcon 9 actually works, also Falcon 1 was abandoned early on.

https://twitter.com/IamClaireField/status/1694067579831152904

I know this is shitposting, but this was pretty funny

>>15685646

damn

>>15685805
>And what the fuck are we gonna do on a giant space station.
Beam solar power to Earth for profit.

>>15685890
booster is so fucking kino

god the views of it from stage separation are gonna be amazing (looking back at it from Starship) as it climbs to apogee then ignites its engines again

gonna be so kino

>>15685890
"Pathetic."

https://twitter.com/DrPhiltill/status/1694058671167209535

>>15685890
More like Super Sexy

https://twitter.com/torybruno/status/1693980058158055726

>>15685902
This guy is based

Interplanetary Transport System was the cooler name

>>15685890
>what 6ft looks like to a 5ft11in

https://twitter.com/AndrewParsonson/status/1693911299510485093

> Images taken during the recovery of an Ariane 5 booster in 2007. It's surreal to see the booster underwater. Ariane 5 boosters were recovered periodically for engineering inspections.

Hmm https://youtu.be/YwGLLiKZxAM?si=_APm98aUwYooBBkI

>>15685902
so O'neillian isn't being pursued

>>15685905
Cringe

>>15685910
Agreeed. BFR was a stupid name. Starship is ok but pretty weak.

>>15685914

>>15685910
*MCT

>>15685920

>>15685902
And only one of them is winning. Tubecucks can’t turn dreams into reality

>>15685919
still better than X

>>15685930
What's up with Elon's inability to pick good names?

>>15685935
>>15685930
X is lucky though, 100% success rate so far

>>15685908
his interview with those 2 onions retard podcasters was so disappointing, they didn't ask him anything and kept making terrible jokes. Wish he had the chance to actually talk.

>>15685939
lol glad I didn't bother to listen to it

>>15685939
they always interrupt the most interesting guests. very rude :(

>>15685620
>the launch mount was almost rocked off its foundation and we'd had problems of debris damaging engines for the SN testing but this time the raptors will totally be fine firing in this tiny enclosed space
>>15685636
>>15685341

>>15685910
It's just barely better than Space Launch System. Starship is fine but super basic, I hope individual ships get better names.

>>15685935
autism
but Falcon and Dragon are very good names to be fair

>>15685687
>spacer culture
Knights of Sidonia, explicitly a space society movie
Macross Frontier, explicitly a space colony series/movie

do you guys think when they go to the Moon they will kneel on the ground and do a 1 minute silence for George Floyd and have it televised to the world?

>>15686022
your brain is broken anon

>>15686022
Yes, that's what Bill told me last week.

>>15685919
BFR would have been good because it would've been very apt.

They'll only need to ignite the outer RVacs. The TWR calculations are deceiving.
The exhaust of the RVacs pushing on the booster will have a rather large decelerating effect.
The fully fueled ship doesn't actually need to have higher TWR than the almost empty booster.

>>15683890
Reboonked:
https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/08/north_korea_hacked_russian_missilemaker/

>>15686022
no, victor glover clearly hates being the token black astronaut and will probably quote the bible or something instead

>>15686022
it sounds so retarded that I think they would actually do it

>>15685919
it's a Quake reference

>>15686022
They'll certainly be kneeling a whole lot, the new suit can't bend over far enough to reach the ground

>>15686035
Will those shits even be ready at this rate?

>>15686022
/pol/ brainrot, take your meds asap

>>15685687
Outland, easily the most underrated Connery film

>>15686022
I don't think they will go that far, but be reading to be listening nonstop to "le first [minority] on the moon" from NASA and the media, and all the culture war that will come from it.

>>15686022
>>15686047
And here I was thinking white fragility was a myth

>>15686047
Eurghh it's just gonna be endless media soundbites and highlights with outreach diversity hires praising this 'historic moment' and how important it is for poor oppressed folk.
Painful

>>15685687
There are way more applicable series than movies for this, I think. Firefly and Cowboy Bebop come to mind.

>>15686056
the expanse is the best by far

>>15685902
I, too, read Lori Garver's book.

>>15686058
it was at the start

>>15686047
PoC being classified as minorities instead of regular Americans is ironically racist aswell

>>15686047
I wonder how they'll handle that if the Chinese make it to the moon first

>>15686049
N

>>15686049
I

>>15686049
G

>>15686074
>I'm making up scenarios in my head to agitate myself and other edgy racists who get angry when a black person appears in any media
meds now

you MUST go back.

>>15686035
Can't wait for all the memes and shitposting to come out of the Lunar footage.

>>15686081
no one hate black people what I hate is old white stiffs pretending not to be racist by pandering to them

>>15684571
>>15684581
Isn't X's sister obsessing with freight shipping and logistics or something like that?

>>15686049
G

I looked up "ocelots and beetles" and did a double take when this came up wtf

>>15686086
it will be mostly one kind of joke

L

>>15685919
It should have been Knight, which would have not only fit in well with their naming scheme is dragons and birds of prey, but it's fucking shiny steel and now the booster has a crown.

lifting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSVioPS-KYk

>>15686022
Normally I would shit on you for tangentially injecting politics in the general, but then I remembered the first commercial crew mission and how the media kept baiting nasa into feeling guilty for celebrating america's return to spaceflight, and comparing the mission to apollo's racial tensions was in vogue.

No because that's long over. Also I think it's politically impossible for something like that to happen. The protest switch is flipped to off because we have a democrat president. And if we had a republican president with a republican picked nasa admin, it wouldn't happen either in the event of new protests.

I expect lots of virtue signaling over identities that aren't white males walking on the moon though. Something we would've done in the 80s if we had just kept going to the moon, yet it's going to be some breakthrough in social progress because that shit can never be over with.

>>15686049
Nothing scares white trash more than a real level playing field; they can't out think the Jews and the Yellows, can't out fight the Blacks, cant out work the browns. Deep down they know it.

THERE IT GOES

>starship
>it doesn't go further than mars

>>15686124
>starliner
>doesnt go further than leo

I wonder what the top speed of the chopsticks are

>>15685902
>being pursued
I fucking wish.
I want to live in the timeline where Blue Origin doesn't build rockets. Instead they just build habitats and launch on SpaceX rockets.

so uhhh, hows this project going?

>>15686049
He's right that it stupid. Minority astronauts are ancient news and it'll pull emphasis from things that actually matter, like what our species can do. People who have been mowing grass for 10 years knew who sally ride was when they were in elementary school.

when is chandrayaan supposed to land?

>>15686153
Tsiolkovsky was really a genius