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Will it land? - edition

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Stream starts in 49h

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLA_64yz8Ss

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandrayaan-3

> Chandrayaan-3 (transl.Moon-craft, pronunciation (help·info))[8] is the third and most recent Indian lunar exploration mission under the Chandrayaan programme of ISRO.[8] It consists of a lander named Vikram and a rover named Pragyan similar to Chandrayaan-2. Its propulsion module would act like an orbiter. The propulsion module carries the lander and rover configuration until the spacecraft is in a 100-kilometre (62 mi) lunar orbit.

> The launch of Chandrayaan-3 took place on 14 July 2023, at 2:35 pm IST.[12] The lander and rover are expected to land near the lunar south pole region on 23 August 2023. The powered descent is scheduled for 23 August 2023, around 05:45 pm IST and touchdown is expected on the same day around 06:05 pm IST.[13][14]

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Anons art reference from previous thread:

My absolute fav is sbarky38
https://twitter.com/sbarky38
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/71739996
MELTA was great too, and sometimes posts here, but beware his non-spaceflight art. He hasnt been posting any space kino lately
https://twitter.com/MRMELT4
For the queen of /sfg/
https://twitter.com/clearusui
For the risky spaceflight art patrician, Kiichi is for you
https://twitter.com/kiichiglad1
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/127542
Recently I've been browsing calunne, really great stuff like that Atlantis and Chellenger-chan
https://twitter.com/calunne (dead link?)
For occasional kino
https://twitter.com/chevronsauvages
For more cute and cringe, see the following
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/52852121
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/11593
https://poipiku.com/95975
For extreme cringe, see /sfg/'s favorite train autists (yes, there are two)
https://twitter.com/RDhaniswara
https://twitter.com/CirqueduCiel
If you really want to ruffle feathers, post anything from Minto Marsh or Robin Wang. cant remember their profiles, but the JWST art is fun
______________________
2023 update, fucking love Zemu and "wheel_stop" these days (aka orange heart emoji).
https://twitter.com/Zemusooo
https://toyhou.se/Zemusoru
https://twitter.com/wheel_stop
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/88213069
cool thing about her^ is she's a confirmed 18y/o petite nippon girl with healthy weight, based on pics of her hands. she is extremely prolific, has a rocket girl for fucking everything
Very honorable mention is satoto_R, picrel https://twitter.com/satoto_R
Hope this helps anon, love you

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0MSn8yRABk

>> No.15681604

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ngVl6iO94c

hullo video about chandrayaa 2 crash causes

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>>15681604

>> No.15681610

>>15681587
Elon musk started the war in ukraine so he could invade crimea with tesla robots

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>>15681587

>> No.15681632

>>15681587
What's the point, the faggot janny never deletes fucking anything.

>> No.15681646

I feel like Indians getting too cocky. Crash is inevitable now

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Russians never smile

>> No.15681663

>>15681632
Except posts about him/her/they

>> No.15681664

>>15681632
you are wrong
>>15681661
too much Dedovshchina

>> No.15681670

>>15681661
Are you stupid? They are clearly smiling

>> No.15681674

>>15681632
True. Plus most actually like the posts anon is whining about. He is a professional whiner, been whining since the last thread

>> No.15681676

>>15681674
I'm not a fan of hearing about how Russia Stronk and DinduNuffin and how it's their right as a Soverign Superpower to enslave lesser states

>> No.15681679

>>15679994
>Pointless and fake.
>pharma companies spending millions or even billions on microgravity effect on drugs is the most retarded thing ever, because most drugs are already pretty well understood
>>15680173
>There has never been in the history of humanity a chemical we know how to synthesize but wasn't amenable to mass production.

I fucking quintuple dog dare you to come up with a terrestrial kilogram-scale synthesis plan for silver fulminate

"Silver fulminate is a primary explosive, but has limited use as such due to its extreme sensitivity to impact, heat, pressure, and electricity. The compound becomes progressively sensitive as it is aggregated, even in small amounts; the touch of a falling feather, the impact of a single water droplet, or a small static discharge are all capable of explosively detonating an unconfined pile of silver fulminate no larger than a dime and no heavier than a few milligrams. Aggregating larger quantities is impossible, due to the compound's tendency to self-detonate under its own weight."

>AGGREGATING LARGER QUANTITIES IS IMPOSSIBLE, DUE TO THE COMPOUND'S TENDENCY TO SELF-DETONATE UNDER ITS OWN WEIGHT

>microgravity manufacturing is useless bro, we can mass produce every chemical in a 1G environment bro
so either silver fulminate just isn't a chemical, or it can somehow be made weightless even in a gravity well???

>> No.15681681

>>15681676
This post is off topic. Let's get back to your whining

>> No.15681682

>>15681674
GO BACK TO POL AMD STAY THERE YOU FUCKING SHITSKIN, EVERYONE HATES YOU

>> No.15681685

>>15681682
Calm down

>> No.15681690

>>15681682
are you schizo? what does any of this have to do with india lol

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>>15681604
>>15681608
semi-long explanation from the video
during initial a phase called "rough braking phase" the thruster are at full force, after this there is a "camera coast" phase with low thrust before a "Fine breaking phase"
the problem was that the thrust was too high during the camera coast phase due to the valves controlling the thrusters not closing enough which results in there being too much thrust that causes the lander to actually ascend again instead of descend like it should have
the black trajectory on the picture is the planned one, the dashed blue line is the one that actually happened
it was hundreds of meters off the planned trajectory after the camera phase ending
the next part is hullos speculation, but to fix this the craft starts to point at the target (which it has now missed by hundreds of meters) and actually pitches so its almost upside down trying to rotate , but the rotation is so slow that after course correction and a rotation back to upright again its moving too fast and too close to the surface to decelerate in time
however this speculation is supported by doppler plots

tl:dw the software was built with the assumption that every step would go perfectly and when the constraints were broken by throoosting too much due to a faulty valve, it started doing retarded shit

>> No.15681692

>>15681679
I mean sure, but what are you going to do with your giant blob of nukefuel that explodes as soon as someone bumps it for 0.000001g acceleration or fucking breathes on it. I agree, there is real potential for 0g manufacturing but this is a certified dumbcunt example.

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neptune

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>>15681691
chandraayan-3 has been designed with failure modes in mind, for instance accepting a suboptimal soft landing location, the rotation rate has been increased, the valve actuation speed has been reduced and the landing area has been increased

>> No.15681702

poopscoop-3 will succeed. as usually usa is coming to be last place.
china 1 india 2 russia 3 ........13 usa?

>> No.15681703

>>15681692
mostly I was shitting on this prime specimen of utter retardation
>There has never been in the history of humanity a chemical we know how to synthesize but wasn't amenable to mass production.
really hope that wasn't your post
I took the lowest hanging fruit but there are about six godzillion non-explosive (and therefore non-interesting) other examples

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_P9BVYsSIs

haven't been following the Luna-25 landing stuff too closely but apparently the problem was too much throosting as well but the exacts aren't know (or are they, i have no idea)

>> No.15681707

>>15681703
Its not my post and you should have picked a better example because that was retarded.

>> No.15681709

>>15681646
after watching the hullo video about the previous lander crashing and all the upgrades they have done to this one, I am way more optimistic
its upgrades across the board in hardware, software and control

>> No.15681710

>>15681690
Nobody mentioned India, shitskin is generic

>> No.15681713

>>15681702
Surveyor series of probes.
I still think one of the coolest things ever done was that one Apollo mission visiting the surveyor mission

>> No.15681715

>>15681713
>you WILL live to see spacex zoomers fortnite dancing in front of percy

>> No.15681717

>>15681713
i hope clps succeeds. would suck if any of them fails. i feel invested

>> No.15681720

>>15681661
>>15681670
Americans (US) are the only people on the planet that always smile with their teeth and somehow the others are the weird ones

>> No.15681721

>>15681720
The other countries people teeth are rotted to hell or look like yellow horsey teeth

>> No.15681739

>>15681646
JAXA bags will go unredeemed if cy3 fails.

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>>15681713
For me it's the Lunar Orbiter glitchkino

>> No.15681752

If you dont know what ∆v is leave this general now.

>> No.15681756

>>15681717
We are gonna make it bro I bet every single mission succeeds. I’m feeling confident right now

>> No.15681757

>>15681752
That's a pretty fucking low bar to jump

>> No.15681763

>>15681720
It's because we're thinking about violence
>>15681757
You would be surprised lol
RIP in Piss von Braun tranny

>> No.15681770

>>15681757
It would probably be higher if I said the same thing but calipers desu.

>> No.15681772

>>15681756
not clps but…
>launch CAPSTONE
>stupid fucking valve problem, lose contact
>reestablish contact, scramble to upload software fix
>it actually works and mission is a great success
>first space craft to every fly in a NRHO
>currently still kickin’ it with an extended mission
Americans simply have the will to succeed

>> No.15681773

>>15681679
just aggregate small enough quantities and increase cycle time or parallelism

>> No.15681777

https://web.archive.org/web/20120922071933/http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/energia.htm

Had the Soviet Union not fallen and the Energia booster gone into production, huge projects were planned to take advantage of its capabilities to realize Soviet military and international space goals. These included: >Restoration of the earth's ozone layer
>Disposal of nuclear waste outside of the solar system
>Illumination of polar cities by reflection of the sun's light
>Large-area space energy reflectors
>Solar sails for interplanetary flights
>Exploitation of lunar resources for fusion reactors on the earth
>Space control system to assure ecological compliance and guarantee strategic stability
>International global information communications system
>Removal of space debris in geostationary orbit
>Large space radio telescope to study galaxies

>> No.15681781

>>15681777
Fuck off retard

>> No.15681782

>>15681773
>decrease cycle time or increase parallelism

>> No.15681793

>>15681752
Ok I'll bite. What is it?

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>>15681777
Reminder that in the first edition of The Case for Mars, Dr. Z was sucking Russian dick proposing to launch Mars Direct on commercial Energia. How the turn tables.

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I've been summoned

>> No.15681804

>>15681794
The zubrin redemption arc has gone so far to the opposite end of the spectrum it's killing him

>> No.15681808

>>15681794
>>15681804
Zubrin discovered a niche where he (rightfully) could be known as the “we need to get to Mars and we aren’t doing jack shit to get there” guy. But then SLS and, even more importantly, Starship came online out of nowhere. He is now without a purpose

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We space factories nao
https://redwirespace.com/newsroom/sierra-space-and-redwire-partner-to-bring-in-space-biotech-facilities-to-customers-via-the-sierra-space-platform/

>> No.15681811

>>15681808
>He is now without a purpose

He could at least post about mini starships instead of this cringe ziocon boomer warhawk shit

>> No.15681813

>>15681811
Hahah yeah

>> No.15681821

>>15681810
>Please invest PLEASE FUCKING GOD I NEED YOU TO INVEST OR I'LL FUCKING DIE OHHHH FUCK AAAAAAA
nothingburger. spac fad long over and infinite vc money spigate has shut off. they must make peace with God

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>>15681821
VC money only goes into AI now. Enjoy the end times anon, we almost made it.

>> No.15681834

>>15681794
There is no how the turn tables here. The US offer to Russia always was a major but subservient partner like Germany or Japan. That was not good enough for Russia and when they were strong enough to resist the US they did so.

>> No.15681836

>>15681821
Heh

>> No.15681837

>>15681825
at least we get boobies

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>>15681693
cutie

>> No.15681851

>>15681834
Why would any nation want to be subservient to another especially an old enemy?

>> No.15681856

>>15681810
lmao, just because NASA got lucky with SpaceX (kind of like a VC investment if you think about it), doesn't mean we should just throw money at every space startup

>> No.15681857

>>15681856
space startup* or unheard of company

>> No.15681862

>>15681856
>doesn't mean we should just throw money at every space startup

Actually I think we should stop giving free money to single mothers and niggers then throw those hundreds of billions at space startups

>> No.15681865

>>15681821
>>15681856
>>15681857
Sierra builds dream chaser and redwire is doing well in space systems.
go back maybe?

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>>15681808
he should just focus on how to build the colonies etc now assuming mars is actually visited, no need to lobby for the latter at this point
he had a talk about this that I haven't watched yet (happened on aug 5th according to the video)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEBx-pw_Y-g

>> No.15681868

>>15681865
Have a (you), I'm feeling generous today

>> No.15681869

>>15681856
>>15681821
you have to go back

>> No.15681870

>>15681866
Musk should personally word filter his X account so he can’t mention russia or ukraine lol. Would do wonders

>> No.15681874

>>15681865
Lol

>> No.15681875

>>15681869
Lol

>> No.15681883

what happened with rocketlab launching out of wallops?

>> No.15681886

>>15681883
They have launched 3 rockets from Wallops this year.

>> No.15681889

>>15681886
what? i must've missed them. i thought they only had 1 test then ran out of payloads.

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>>15681752
MFW I ask ChatGPT how to calculate exhaust velocity and it tells me to take Isp and multiply it by 9.81

>> No.15681898

>>15681691
So that brings the recent lunar landing failure modes tally to:
Programming (Luna-25, Hakuto-R)
Valves (Beresheet, Chandrayaan-2)
Planning (OMOTENASHI)

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>>15681856
Redwire and Sierra aren’t startups they are well established companies

>> No.15681907

>>15681898
>Valves
>Chandrayaan-2
cope harder poo. by all accounts it was shitty software that made it crash

>> No.15681911

>>15681898
Come on japan, I need an excuse to shitpost how you’re better than EESA

>> No.15681915

>>15681901
redwire is losing money hand over first.
so is sierra but at least they're not publically traded

>> No.15681919

>>15681898
chandraayan was a combination of valves and software, without the valve problem it would have probably landed, but the valve problem could have been mitigated with better programming that takes into account some failure modes and instead of crashing, just landing a few hundred meters off course

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big if true

>> No.15681923

>>15681901
redwire was started in 2020 so it is definitely a startup

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>>15681919
>but the valve problem could have been mitigated with better programming
>better programming

Good morning ser, I hear your space robot is having of the issues today, have you tried doing of the needful?

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crazy how few people have been to space. we need another shuttle-esque vehicle to ferry 7+ people to space 10+ times a year

>> No.15681928

>>15681922
Lmao, russians love a good story

>> No.15681930

>>15681922
kek what a shithole

>> No.15681932

>>15681927
>ferry 7+ people to space 10+ times a year
dragon could do that right now

>> No.15681933

>>15681922
>11 billion rubles
When you compare to NASA overbudget projects it doesn't sound that much.

>> No.15681934

>>15681922
DIMITRI ROGOZIN DIMITRI GIVE ME BACK MY LANDER

>> No.15681936

>>15681934
Check what you can use early.
Homo

>> No.15681937

ROGOZIN
KILLED
RUSSIAN
SPACE

>> No.15681941

>>15681919
Sure, but I'm just going off root cause. OMOTENASHI actually died because its batteries failed

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Does anyone have the specs of Radian's SSTO design?

I'm wondering if it would be more or less efficient if it used the RS-2200 aerospike.

>> No.15681952

>>15681703
aluminum (not even synthesis)

>> No.15681953
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Luna-25 wiki page has been locked due to edits from 'foreign IPs'!

>> No.15681957

>>15681952
what did he mean by this

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>>15681934
They really are the Third Rome

>> No.15681963

>>15681953
trying to delete it or something?

>> No.15681966

>>15681957
mass production of aluminum didn't happen until 60 years after it was first produced

>> No.15681967

>>15681923
It’s a conglomerate of private equity owned space companies that were combined into one entity and spun off

>> No.15681970

>>15681967
sounds like a winner

>> No.15681974

>>15681957
Moon regolith is aluminium oxide. You can make aluminium and oxygen easily, more easily than on Earth

>> No.15681975

>>15681966
So what is your argument? Aluminum is made in extreme bulk it turned out VERY amenable to mass production.

>> No.15681978

>>15681933
It's really not all that much. 11B rubles comes out to about $120M US. Then again, I'm kinda surprised they were originally planning to build a brand new moon probe design for around $16M.

>> No.15681979

>>15681961
who is second rome?

>> No.15681980

>>15681979
Constantinople

>> No.15681983

>>15681975
are you dense? we knew how to produce it before we had the ability to produce industrial quantities of it. this is directly comparable to manufacture in space, where certain things that may have a known but difficult production method can be scaled. the anon in the last thread gave the braindead take that everything we can produce can be produced in unlimited scale, and anons have been providing counter examples since then.

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>>15681922
Rogozin didn't kill Russian space, he just castrated it.

>> No.15681986

>>15681983
>directly comparable to manufacture in space, where certain things that may have a known but difficult production method can be scaled
if so it could be done on earth as well.
space manufacturing is good for space construction
everything else is investor bait

>> No.15681989

>>15681986
space manufacturing using space resources that is

>> No.15681990

>comparing aluminium to complex drug compounds

>> No.15681993

>>15681986
>>15681989
varda seems to think this is simply wrong
how are you able to control gravity on earth? manufacturing stuff on vomit comet airplanes?
what if crystallization takes like 2 days?

>> No.15681995

>>15681986
it's already been established that crystals grow better in space. some crystals (drugs, optics) go for tens of thousands to tens of millions per kilogram. this is a viable avenue to profit, or at least several companies seem to think so. if you believe that every single investor in these technologies is wrong, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But I disagree.

>> No.15681997

>>15681993
>>15681995
IM INVOOOOOSTING
MUH
CRYSTALS

>> No.15681998

>>15681993
you can replicate cold temperatures and a vacuum on earth, but not microgravity for long periods of time
manufacturing in space will simply give a new parameter to change during the manufacturing process, effective gravity between 0-1 g (you could do over 1g with centrifuges)

>> No.15682000

>>15681997
finally outing yourself as a complete brainlet, I accept your concession

>> No.15682005

>>15681997
Based

>> No.15682009

>>15681998
>you can replicate cold temperatures and a vacuum on earth
4head

>> No.15682012

pharma science crystals guys

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>> No.15682017

>>15682015
damn I can't believe nasa intentionally destroyed this to delay hubble

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>>15682012
There are in total 8 senses. 5 heart orientated, and 3 brain orientated. Different from what is currently suggested as humans having 5 senses(which just includes the heart orientated senses). There are also several sub-senses(noiception, prociprioception, etc).

The 3 brain orientated senses I propose exist are.

1. Emotion sense
The feeling of being suspended in motion or mental heavy motion.

2. Temperance sense
The diffusion of hot and cold temperament governed by the temporal nervous artery.

3. Crown sense
Coordinated self(body and mind) presence.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11EeZcmT_bI

>> No.15682022

>>15682017
there's a lot you dont know about the nasa

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>>15682021

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>>15681691
>doing retarded shit
boing!

>> No.15682026

total namefag death

>> No.15682029

>>15682023
Jonathan Beyer
Jack Tooker

>> No.15682030

>>15681922
Imagine believing that Putin will cry about Luna-25. But I agree that Rogozin hugely damaged Roscosmos

>> No.15682047

>>15682030
I wonder what kind of a dimwit appointed such an inappropriate director.

>> No.15682048
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https://spacenews.com/axiom-space-raises-350-million/

> WASHINGTON — Axiom Space announced Aug. 21 that it has raised $350 million from Saudi Arabian and South Korean investors to continue development of a commercial space station.

>The Houston-based company said it raised a Series C round that was led by Aljazira Capital and Boryung Co., Ltd., along with what it called “an array of diverse backers” that include venture capital funds and strategic brand partners.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/21/axiom-space-raises-350-million-from-saudi-and-korean-investors.html

> Space company Axiom raised $350 million in a round that was led by Saudi-owned Aljazira Capital and Korean healthcare investment firm Boryung, the company announced on Monday.

> In a statement, Aljazira Capital CEO and managing director Naif Almesned said backing Axiom is “in line with the Saudi Vision 2030′s transformative approach.”

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Its over americhuds.

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>>15681702
You're about 50 years too late to beat the USA to the moon, commie.

>> No.15682056

>>15681709
Except that they ditched the throost stage early, so now the lander is going to have to do its own orbital changes, so it might not have enough fuel to land.
I hope it makes it, mostly because I'm getting tired of all these fails. But also to rub pockocmoc's nose in it.

>> No.15682062

>>15681922
>Luna-25 space station
kek

>> No.15682063

>>15681980
oh i see. the cowardess WHORE sophia gets too much credit. 500 years of roman cosplay does not impress me

>> No.15682066
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>>15681810
spacenews and cnbc have articles about this too

https://spacenews.com/redwire-and-sierra-space-partner-on-commercial-space-station-biotech-research-platform/

> The two companies announced Aug. 21 that Redwire will provide a set of equipment that will be installed on a Sierra Space inflatable module known as Large Integrated Flexible Environment (LIFE). That “pathfinder” module will be launched later this decade for commercial pharmaceutical and other biotech research.

> In an interview, Mike Gold, chief growth officer of Redwire, called the agreement the first of its kind. “For the first time, a private sector company has contracted with another private sector company for substantive microgravity research and development hardware for pharmaceutical development.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/21/redwire-sierra-partner-to-make-drugs-on-inflatable-space-habitat.html

> * Redwire is putting a biotech technology testbed on Sierra Space’s first mission with its inflatable space habitat.
>* “We go to space not just for science and discovery, but to improve life on Earth,” Mike Gold, Redwire’s chief growth officer, told CNBC.
>* Biological and pharmaceutical research and production is seen as a key customer market for microgravity platforms in space.

> Biological and pharmaceutical research and production is seen as a key customer market for microgravity platforms in space. Redwire is not alone in targeting that market, with startups like Varda and Space Forge also working on such testbeds.

so all in all, there is Varda, Spaceforge, Redwire partnering with Sierra and maybe even Axiom ( >>15682048 one of the investors is a korean healtcare investment firm) targeting Pharma manufacturing in space
seems like Varda is about to get competition even before they demonstrate it works, allthough the CNBC video did say that the principle has already been demonstrated on skylab 50 years ago >>15679949

>> No.15682069

>>15681932
Why haven't they then? No interest? Too crowded?

>> No.15682071
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https://www.spaceforge.co.uk/microgravity

> Space Forge has developed a dedicated platform for your microgravity production, research and experimentation needs. What makes us unique is that our proprietary return system will bring your precious cargo back to Earth gently, with no shock on landing, safely delivering high-value products back to you in an innovative vehicle with a precision engineered capture and recovery system.

the difference right now seems to be that space forge is trying to develop some complicated deployable heatshiled + net catching thing vs varda just doing a basic capsule a normal heatshield + landing with just a parachute (as far as I know)

>> No.15682072

>>15682056
I wonder how much reserve fuel it has, it seemed like they wanted to plan for all eventualities so it must have some right?

>> No.15682073

>>15682069
nowhere to go is probably the biggest problem
The ISS can house only so many people at a time and NASA probably doesn't want too many tourists there too often anyway as the astronauts working is affected

>> No.15682077

>>15682066
>chief growth officer
short $RDW

>> No.15682078

>>15682073
I wonder if any of the commercial stations might need more than 4 astronauts at a time, I can imagine companies thinking it's more efficient to send up 1 lot of 7 astronauts instead of 2 lots of 4.

>> No.15682081

>>15681947
Most news seems to think it actually will use an aerospace, and that the nozzles are just art. Also this may not be true at all

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>>15681837
and 12 fingers

>> No.15682092

>>15682030
You gotta remember that this is originally Russian. "плaкaть" is to weep or mourn while "кpичáть" is to scream or yell, but both end up in English as "cry." I can definitely see Putin having an angry shout over all of this, especially given the cost overruns.

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>>15682072
That would require imagination and independent thought from a pajeet.
They could still get lucky.

>> No.15682105

>>15681922
That's Ukrainian channel. They posted in Ukrainian by mistake before

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>>15681922
It's not Rogozin's fault, it's systemic. Everyone is to blame. Everyone is slacking off, everyone is cheating, everyone is taking a cut until nothing is left, even the government before any money gets to Pockocmoc.
Russians are delusional, USSR barely had the money to support a space program, and what's left of Russia has less.
The only good thing I can say is at least they pretend to try, unlike EU.

>> No.15682116

I remember reading about virgin galactic spaceplanes in elementary school and thinking "that's gonna be the future, maaaaan"

>> No.15682119

>>15682100
In all fairness the ones working at ISRO appear to be competent. India has enough people that even if 99.99% of them are retarded the remainder is more than enough to have a successful space program. China's in the same boat but they have better propaganda and don't report statistics from rural areas.

>> No.15682122
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the THROOOOOSTING epidemic claims another victim

>> No.15682123
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15682123

Imagine the smell

>> No.15682125

>>15682122
>he
engines are female

>> No.15682130

I remember being in elementary school and reading about starship on /sfg/ and thinking "that's going to be the future, maaaannn"

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>>15682116
You were right, but for the wrong reason. This is the future of normiefags who pay their life savings to get a selfie and go home. It only goes far enough into space to get a selfie, but it will never leave the bonds of Urf.

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>>15682122

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>>15682123
soulful

>> No.15682150

>>15682022
do tell

>> No.15682151

>>15682130
You must be 18 to post here

>ITS was announced 7 years ago
aaaaaaaaaa

>> No.15682186

>>15682151
I remember when it was called MCT

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>>15682186
And also made e*rthers seethe because of the word 'colonial' in it

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>> No.15682219

>>15681922
“According to our information”

Do retards genuinely believe this?

>> No.15682243

>>15682122
That's technically not an "engine failure". If anything, the engine was working too well.

>> No.15682268

>>15682243
It wasn't the engine. It was commanded to fire longer than necessary

>> No.15682278

>>15681979
According to Russian lore, Constantinople.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow,_third_Rome
After the fall of Constantinople, Ivan III married the Byzantine princess and subsequently crowned himself Czar (the Russian cognate of Caesar).

>> No.15682281

>>15681646
No we are anxious. I want it to just get there safely

>> No.15682285

American boondoggles disgust me. Why is the US paying Grumman and locksneed billions (and it will be billions) to make a shitty bootleg megaconstellation with maybe a couple hundred sats when they could just piggyback off starlink? It's all just a corrupt farce enabled by mutual backscratching.

>> No.15682288

Is it true that egg eating nations are more space faring?

>> No.15682293

>>15682281
Speak for yourself Ashutosh, i am fairly confident it will land and atleast 1 /sfg/ amerifat spacex simp will anhero out of seethe

>> No.15682301
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15682301

Roscosmos Chief gave an interview about Luna-25 and future plans. He said that Luna-26 and Luna-27 launches will be hastened

>> No.15682321

>>15682285
Because Biden admin dont want anything to do with Elon Musk.

HOW IN THE FUCK ARE YOU STILL NOT GETTING THIS?

Its a simple fucking answer. Evidence of Biden fucking over everything Elon Musk is widespread on all fronts.

>> No.15682322

>>15682321
biden minecraft admin

>> No.15682330
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15682330

*BANG BANG*
>CAM ON SPAY SEX
*BANG BANG*
>MOVE THE FACKIN BOOSTER
*BANG BANG*

>> No.15682331

>>15682268
literally the radio command version of a vatnik using a hammer to forcibly install a sensor backwards.

>> No.15682338

>>15682285
It's the Space Industrial Complex influencing Congress to spend pork money with the purpose of spreading budgets to contractors in every state, not to accomplish engineering goals.

>> No.15682343

>>15682288
We must eat all the eggs to conquer the solar system

>> No.15682344
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>>15682330
*BANG BANG*
TWO MAHR
*BANG BANG*
WEEKS M8

>> No.15682345
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15682345

I wonder if the thing responsible for 75% of the catalog being schizo or basic science denial threads are bots or some campaign to actively make people stupider

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15682352

>>15682330

>> No.15682354

>>15682321
>Because Biden admin dont want anything to do with Elon Musk.
No one really wants to, but they have no choice

>> No.15682358

>>15682278
Stolen valor. Rome as a people died ultimately with the fall of Constantinople. Italians, Russians, and even the Turks, God forbid, claim to continue the mantle. All pretenders. I will say the Czars went to great lengths with their mimicry, espoused it when it suited them, but of course dropped the act when it was inconvenient. They tarnish the memory of Rome

>> No.15682362

>>15682352
Ate hydrologgs
Ate boosters

>> No.15682363

>>15682321
Are you retarded? MIC lobbying has been a thing since the very beginning. I love how Musk dickriders need to feel victimized even though the government has been giving preferential treatment to SpaceX.

>> No.15682366

>>15682362
Ate urfers
Ate suborbitals
Simple as

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15682367

>>15682362
'YDROLOX YOU SAY?

>> No.15682368

>>15682352
Ate Earthers (not racist, just don't like em)

>> No.15682372

>>15682321
He's a good president and you just hate him cuz he whooped the orangutan ass. Get over it

>> No.15682381

So when does starship launch again?

>> No.15682387

>>15682381
Two

>> No.15682397

What would happen of CY-3 doesn't make it again this time? Would that set back the program or will it encourage them to work even harder, allocate more budget to space?

>> No.15682398

>>15682381
Years

>> No.15682414

>>15682363
are you retarded? preferential fucking treatment
jesus christ

>> No.15682416

>>15682397
Isro disband

>> No.15682423

>>15682372
he can barely stay awake and babbles incomprehensibly when he is awake half the time

>> No.15682436

>>15681922
Bwahahaha
>>15682062
Idk if it’s a translation thing, or just a way of speaking; but most russian probes are roughly translated as a “space station”. I think it’s just a literal meaning for a probe being a station for experimentation. It’s not that weird really

>> No.15682449

Pls ignore burger right now.

>> No.15682451

>>15682301
Borisov probably let’s out a huge sigh every time his alarm wakes him up in the morning. I don’t envy his position

>> No.15682464
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The fucking irony of flat earthers/moon landing deniers being religious nuts and the actual religiousness of early NASA is too good

>> No.15682465

where is luna porn drawing?
i was promised luna porn drawing

>> No.15682476

>>15682464
I know. I said it earlier but you’d THINK these evangelical boomers would love Apollo because it’s a chance to dunk on everyone else. But I guess it’s just easier to think some secret cabal is lying to you about the universe for… some reason?
Now everything is gay and NASA is full of atheist LGBT millennials who complain about work days longer than 8 hours and missions that need to be completed in less than a decade

>> No.15682478

>>15682397
India has some space talent, but the ISRO is an oldspace bureaucracy on par with the worst of America or Europe. If there's a mission failure on CY-3 there will be a lot of finger-pointing and blame-dodging that goes on completely behind closed doors. We might find out enough about it for Hullo to make a video on it in three or four years but it not likely to be enough to kick off some institutional reforms. More budget doesn't seem a probable outcome either but at least it's not likely to kill the program. You'd need a major failure with Gaganyaan, possibly involving a crew fatality, to kick off that kind of timeline.

>> No.15682482

>>15682345
It's just what happens when moderators don't gatekeep the board like they should. /sci/ is one of the few boards that is outright hostile to its own premise. It would be like if the vast majority of threads on /x/ were dedicated to posters saying the paranormal isn't real, or they talk about politics. What would be the point of the board?

It's not an easy problem sure. What are you going to delete? Whats off topic? Who gets warned and banned?

I've read the idea of math captchas several times over the years.

>> No.15682498

>>15682482
>math captchas
Integrals with u substitutions haha. I would never be able to post

>> No.15682503

>>15682482
its just the /pol/ sewage mucking up every main board

>> No.15682507

>>15682464
It's the same thing with the big bang and the expansion of the universe, the champion of which was a catholic priest who moonlighted as a physicist, and was derided by his athiest and jewish peers who favoured a steady state model and thought he was injecting his religion into physics. You'd think these retarded boomers would champion this guy like buddhists sperging about the sound of the universe do, but no, they consistently self sabotage.

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15682513

Russia will have new team for every launch

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>>15682363
>preferential treatment
>unironically believing this
They were shunning SpaceX until there was a lawsuit to get in on MIC bidding. Now the only "preferential" thing is that they still have rockets to launch. Everybody else has fucked their transition to a newer generation system that was only designed to compete with expendable F9 v1.0, and they still can't get it up.

>> No.15682521

>>15682513
Maybe he was just overwhelmed and saddened by the failure?

>> No.15682522

>>15682513
is this shit actually real? it's unbelievable so i'd just call propaganda

>> No.15682524

>>15682513
Two shots to the back of the head. Suicide [math]\unicode{x1F614}[/math]

>> No.15682528

>>15682524
>

>> No.15682530

>>15682021
i like jack. at least he's not a frail squeaky voice lankster

>> No.15682533

>>15682528
wtf how do i emoji

>> No.15682538

>>15682533
embed in latex

>> No.15682540

>>15682482
some very simple highschool level math captchas should be enough to deter a lot of people

>> No.15682545
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15682545

>>15682524
TELL ME
NOW

>> No.15682546

>>15682538
lewd

>> No.15682547

>>15682507
>>15682476

>> No.15682548

>>15682301
Tempo, tempo, tempo.

>> No.15682552

>>15682363
I can post two different Senate subcommittee hearings with Musk having to defend the right to bid on launches while a ULA VP sits next to him and says "Nuh uh." I can post leaked audio of a ULA VP talking about using Alabama to keep SpaceX out of the business.

>> No.15682572

Lunatic?
Why not a Solatic?

>> No.15682577

>>15682552
>MIC lobbying from Lockheed to keep funds going their way
>SpaceX has successfully bid for and won many launches including military, crewed and now lunar contracts
Thanks for proving my point I guess.

>> No.15682578

>>15682540
the only reason people don't use solver browser addons is because the average non-disabled person can still solve the captcha.
there's only two ways either autogenerated problems which would need to be auto verifiable which would make it trivial to recognize the pattern and make a solver.
OR a database of known problems which would make it trivial to collect them all and save off the solution.

>> No.15682580

>>15682363
>Are you retarded?
are you?
Atlas V and Antares literally do not have engines to install in their rockets because in their infinite wisdom, they outsourced the production and bought them from Russia (NK-33, RD-180 and RD-181 to be specific). They cannot build more than what they have in store.
They still don't have proper replacements, which is why Vulcan was delayed for FOUR (4) years.
Not only that, they could not manage to make their crew capsule work - after SpaceX launched a dozen of them.
And all of this despite asking (and receiving) ~3x more money for each contract

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>>15682540
On 2ch there are math captchas

>> No.15682593

>>15682578
having to download a solver addon would deter a lot of people, especially if its something that is only needed for one specific place like /sci/

>> No.15682598

>>15682577
is this bait?

>> No.15682602

>>15682590
do they work?

>> No.15682608

>>15682021
>>15682530
Their aerials are SO much worse than RGVs though.
Shitty ass grainy pictures and he takes amazing ones.

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Snake

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>>15682580
What are you even arguing about? My point is that even though there's intense lobbying from ULA, SpaceX has managed to grow much faster than them in terms of commercial and military launches. If the government had a vendetta against them then they would not be growing as much as they are.
It's pretty well known that space budget politics have not much to do with Dem/Rep bullshit and everything to do with congressmen keeping factories open. It's funny when Musk dickrider newfags blame Biden for some reason when the congressmen that have been the most hostile and had actual influence to keep contracts from going to SpaceX were republicans.

>> No.15682634

>>15682628
damn, maybe some other company should figure out how to build a reusable basket

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>>15682633
>If the government had a vendetta against them then they would not be growing as much as they are.

>> No.15682643

>>15682546
lol

>> No.15682650

>>15682628
Everyone’s just mad that the eggs are now being divvied out from the Boeing/LM/Grumman basket. Maybe they shouldn’t suck ass. Maybe someone else should do the bare minimum, that’s literally all that’s required and even Jeff can barely keep up

>> No.15682654

>>15682363
>preferrential treatment
>Musk companies
LMAO

Did you forget the lawsuits?

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15682660

>>15682507
>when a mackerel snapper says something so Jesuitical you have to hit them with the steady state stare

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Daily reminder that Mars is a living world

>> No.15682671

>>15682633
> If the government had a vendetta against them then they would not be growing as much as they are.
wrong, if they are the only viable option and just so much better than anyone else, the government would be forced to use them or not use anyone at all, this would raise some questions
congressmen wanting to keep jobs in their districts and Biden being hostile to Musk are not two contradictory situations, they are happening simultaneously
the Biden admin is (and was perhaps more than it is now) hostile to Musk in general, both to SpaceX and Tesla and there are political reasons for this, one example being UAW and Biden having a big voter base being unions, the other being Twitter being transformed from a leftist controlled platform more into a centrist free-speech platform (this is what really made them go ballistic)

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>> No.15682673

https://twitter.com/robert_zubrin/status/1693617660343582938

Zubrin drops a BANGER

Damn I can see why you like this guy /sfg/

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>>15682673
its so tiresome

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>>15682668
I salute you, lifeonmarsfag.
Dearly, lifeonvenusfag

>> No.15682679

>>15682628
>>15682650
Is that from the totally organic hit piece that regurgitated the inane lies about Trump sabotaging Ukraine?

>> No.15682681

>>15682363
>I love how Musk dickriders need to feel victimized even though the government has
been giving preferential treatment to SpaceX.

What does the government get out of preferential treatment to spacex over the other providers? What are the kickbacks?

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>>15682675
Kek

>> No.15682685

>>15682628
This will be a real concern in the future. But the government can't do anything to prevent it. The other providers have to stop sucking shit

>> No.15682689

>>15682668
All live on other planets is a result of our actions. We take microbes from Earth and they land on other planets with our landers

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15682693

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/08/putin-wanted-to-make-russia-great-again-in-space-heres-why-he-failed/

>> No.15682694

>>15682689
and that's a good thing

>> No.15682698

>>15682692
i want to fug all these rockets

hardcore rocket sexxx

>> No.15682704

>>15682693
Galactic leader

>> No.15682705

>>15682671
>one example being UAW and Biden having a big voter base being unions, the other being Twitter being transformed from a leftist controlled platform more into a centrist free-speech platform
Curious how none of these have to do with SpaceX and everything to do with Musk being greedy and having subpar working conditions at Tesla or him being an edgy fag on twitter letting open nazis roam free.
>free-speech platform
Yet Musk instantly caves to Turkish censorship because he needs the userbase?
Ever notice how Musk has pretty much abandoned SpaceX to run twitter into the ground?

>> No.15682708
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https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1692290677491781874

> Crew-7’s Dragon arrived at Pad 39A in Florida ahead of its third mission to the @space_station. As teams prepare to launch Crew-7 and safely bring Crew-6 home, the Crew-8 astronauts completed their first week of training in California


crew-7 launching on the 25th

>> No.15682711
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>>15682708

>> No.15682717
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>>15682711
https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/space-station-assignments-out-for-nasa-s-spacex-crew-8-mission

the people in the pic are from crew-8

https://www.space.com/nasa-spacex-crew-8-astronauts-international-space-station

> SpaceX Crew-8 crew. From left to right: Roscosmos cosmonaut Alexander Grebenkin, NASA astronaut Michael Barratt, NASA astronaut Matthew Dominick and NASA astronaut Jeanette Epps

>> No.15682723
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https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2023/08/launch-roundup-082123/

> Following the completion of its original Commercial Crew Transportation Capabilities contract, SpaceX will launch the first of three extension missions, dubbed Crew-7. The mission will lift off from LC-39A on Aug. 25, at 3:49 AM EDT (07:49 UTC) where it will spend roughly a day raising its orbit before docking with the ISS on Sunday, Aug. 26, at 2:02 AM EDT (06:02 UTC).

> Aboard Crew Dragon C210-3 Endurance is spacecraft commander Jasmin Moghbeli of NASA, pilot Andreas Mogensen from ESA, and mission specialists Satoshi Furukawa of JAXA and Konstantin Borisov of Roscosmos. This will mark the first time that four different space agencies are represented on a single Crew Dragon flight.

pic is crew-7

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>>15682723
fuck wrong pic

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15682731

>>15682675
here is russky falcon 9

>> No.15682738

>>15682026
harsh but fair

>> No.15682740

>>15682705
so now you admit Biden admin has a bias against Musk?
pretty funny how that went, also its completely irrelevant if you think being biased is justified or not with your schizo reasons, but the fact remains Biden is biased, there are multiple reasons

>> No.15682742

>>15682513
isnt this just the old man you guys posted yesterday? he died of broken heart

>> No.15682745

>>15682740
Anon, don't waste your time responding to obvious bait.

>> No.15682748
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15682748

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/08/28/elon-musks-shadow-rule

Looks like there is a new hit piece aimed at EDS sufferers.

>> No.15682752
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CAT 5 heading for SpaceX its over

>> No.15682753

>>15682130
>anon remembers the events of last week

>> No.15682757

>>15682628
He's right, and that's why your seething

>> No.15682758

>>15682748
>“We are not in a position to further donate terminals to Ukraine, or fund the existing terminals for an indefinite period of time,” SpaceX’s director of government sales told the Pentagon in a letter, last September. (CNBC recently valued SpaceX at nearly a hundred and fifty billion dollars. Forbes estimated Musk’s personal net worth at two hundred and twenty billion dollars, making him the world’s richest man.)

>SpaceX's first reported profit of $55 million was just last year
>no mention of that of course in the article

lmao, look at the way these scumbag journos work

>> No.15682765

>>15682633
My point is, the Biden government has literally no other option.
They can pick either SpaceX or "China and Russia humiliate USA".
If they could give contracts to ULA or NG instead of SpaceX they would. At a drop of a hat.
But these knuckleheads cannot fulfil those contracts. They cannot launch people to space. They can barely build their own rockets at this point.
They have to pouch people and technology from various startups and former SpaceX employees just to thread water.

Shelby is a different problem. He's not anti-Musk, he's extremely pro-Alabama.
SpaceX threatens the only lucrative industry Alabama has. If SpaceX built Starbase in Huntsville instead, he'd probably argue the next day we need hundreds of depots and Mars cities right now and investigate how we could build them exclusively from imported Alabama river rocks.

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15682766

>>15682693
Berger is being a little dishonest by completely omitting Angara.

>> No.15682770

>>15682766
Crewed Angara with Orel is NEVER happening

>> No.15682771

>>15682363
>dickriders
telltale sign of EDS twitter opinion regurgitator

>> No.15682774

>>15682693
No dumb Berger. ROGOZIN KILLED RUSSIA SPACE

>> No.15682780

>>15682705
>run twitter into the ground?
two weeks. if you don't wanna be dismissed as an NPC you might try to not use the exact words they program you with

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>>15682705
oof, this is probably your most embarrassing post

>> No.15682791

http://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2023/08/spacex-should-withdraw-its-application.html

>> No.15682793

>>15682791
that guy doesn't know what hes talking about why do you even post his blog here

>> No.15682799

>>15682748
Several paragraphs in, and I already hate pisscraine and their supporters.

>> No.15682801

Current and former officials from NASA, the Department of Defense, the Department of Transportation, the Federal Aviation Administration, and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration told me that Musk’s influence had become inescapable in their work, and several of them said that they now treat him like a sort of unelected official. One Pentagon spokesman said that he was keeping Musk apprised of my inquiries about his role in Ukraine and would grant an interview with an official about the matter only with Musk’s permission. “We’ll talk to you if Elon wants us to,” he told me. In a podcast interview last year, Musk was asked whether he has more influence than the American government. He replied immediately, “In some ways.” Reid Hoffman told me that Musk’s attitude is “like Louis XIV: ‘L’état, c’est moi.’ ”

NATIONALIZE SPACEX

NATIONALISE TESLA

NATIONALICE BORING

>> No.15682802

>>15682580
they had almost 10 years to transition. if McCain had his way, it would have happened in 2014. ULA got their way and decided to drag their feet anyway

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be nicer to russia

>> No.15682810

>>15682668
First, I define life to include roggs...

>> No.15682811

>He maintains good relationships with some of them, including General Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Since the two men met, several years ago, when Milley was the chief of staff of the Army, they have discussed “technology applications to warfare—artificial intelligence, electric vehicles, and autonomous machines,” Milley told me. “He has insight that helped shape my thoughts on the fundamental change in the character of war and the modernization of the U.S. military.”

WTF

Kinda based

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>>15682803
No

>> No.15682817

Bros this is such an autistic question but this is the only place I feel I can ask it: does the hardcover version of Liftoff by Eric Berger have a sewn or a glued binding? I can't find any references or even images that would give it away online

>> No.15682820

>>15682791
FAA explicitly modeled pad explosion damage to SPI.
where is this niggers refutation of that?

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>>15682810
Goron bros... we're in.

>> No.15682823

>>15682801
>Musk was asked whether he has more influence than the American government. He replied immediately, “In some ways.”
totally out of context. he said he could not launch rockets and build cars if he was president. absolutely a true statement.
this is just bait

>> No.15682824

>>15682464
Now everyone is faggot atheist commie and we can't go to moon.

>> No.15682825

How hard would it be to listen to a pulsar with hobby electronics

>> No.15682827

Musk has said that he has Asperger’s syndrome, a form of what is now known as autism-spectrum disorder, which is characterized by difficulty with social interactions. As a child, he would sometimes fall into trancelike states of deep thought, during which he was so unresponsive that his mother eventually took him to a doctor to check his hearing. Musk’s quiet side persists—in my own interactions with him, I have found him to be thoughtful and measured. (Musk declined to answer questions for this story.) He can also be, as he joked during a stilted “Saturday Night Live” monologue, “pretty good at running human, in emulation mode.”

>> No.15682828

>varda is run by a couple of dudes in their 20s
>they have 70 employees now and have launched and returned payloads from space
what's /sfg/ doing with their lives?

>> No.15682830

>>15682827
>As a child, he would sometimes fall into trancelike states of deep thought
who didnt? fucking normies

>> No.15682831

>>15682828
Busy courting a bad bitch, and I'm reeling her in

>> No.15682832
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15682832

https://twitter.com/nasaoig/status/1693691882763649084

oh sheeit

>> No.15682836

>>15682832
COPING ALREADY HAHAHAHAHAHAH
https://twitter.com/ThePrimalDino/status/1693697251112091849

>> No.15682835

>>15682832
20 more years?

>> No.15682839

>>15682748
Jeez they're posting his entire fucking life story here

>> No.15682840

>>15682811
musk has talked about technologys role in warfare in some podcast before, the podcast was about history and the general point was that superior technology basically determines the winner most of the time

>> No.15682843

>>15682748
>we need to punish spacex by slowing down and stopping their fast iterative development, that will teach them

>> No.15682844

>>15682843
>Also, we're in space race with China
>Also, why cant American company get to moon already?
>Also, FAA DIDN"T SLOW DOWN SPACEX !!!!!

>> No.15682845

>>15682828
I don't think they've returned anything yet.
also... the same thing, I work for an oldspace company.

>> No.15682846

>>15682832
don't they come out with these reports constantly?
every time its something like "SLS is a total farce, over budget, run absolutely incompetently"
and nothing comes out of it ever

>> No.15682848
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15682848

Australia to become space power with AUSTRALIS!

>> No.15682851

>>15682832
The do this every year or two. doesnt change policy at all, regardless of how scathing

>> No.15682856

>>15682524
Damn I can't believe the Clintons would do this

>> No.15682860

>>15682801
These people are going insane hahahah. Musk has a ton of influence, but he has less influence than the board members/CEOs or MIC defense contractors and (((banks)))
Everyone is smoking crack these days it feels like. Like of course he’s influential THAT’S HOW SOCIETY WORKS

>> No.15682874

>>15682770
Angara is a dead end. Can't even put test payloads into stable orbit.

>> No.15682880

>>15682848
>Small satellite launch vehicle

NGMI

Why do all of these startups insist on going small from the start?

>> No.15682887

>Musk, who says he now spends much of his time in a modest house in the wetlands of South Texas, near a SpaceX facility, confessed, in an interview last year, “I feel quite lonely.” He has said that his career consists of “great highs, terrible lows and unrelenting stress.” One close colleague told me, “His life just sucks. It’s so stressful. He’s just so dedicated to these companies. He goes to sleep and wakes up answering e-mails. Ninety-nine per cent of people will never know someone that obsessed, and with that high a tolerance for sacrifice in their personal life.”

He's wasting all this fucking effort and energy on fucking twitter of all things instead of setting up for the Mars colony

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>>15682874
Isn’t it just the upper stages that keep fucking up? Like i’m pretty sure the boosters have always been reliable
Lol and they want to do fuel crossfeed with angara one day. Good luck!

>> No.15682893

>>15682880
are you stupid? because it's easier and requires less capital

>> No.15682895

>>15682887
>He's wasting all this fucking effort and energy on fucking twitter of all things
this is happening in your head. why do you think he hired a CEO? he is actively trying to delegate responsibility

>> No.15682898

>>15682895
Sure thats why he's still making major feature decisions like removing blocking

>> No.15682899

>>15682887
He has to, considering all the politically motivated faggots that are attacking him.

>> No.15682901

>>15682887
Musk is an honest-to-God autistic workaholic. He would be even more lonely if he weren’t constantly working.
But yeah he needs to delegate responsibilities to more people (like appointing a twitter CEO like the other anon said). He has listed Tesla as his biggest time consumer. This should be SpaceX

>> No.15682906

>>15682887
X

>> No.15682909

>>15682752
So this is the thing that will failto rain on me tomorrow?

>> No.15682916

>>15682748
>preëxisting


What pretentious fuck writes pre-existing like that

>> No.15682921

>>15682752
>>15682909
Berger is describing this storm simply as “beneficial rain” on space city weather lol

>> No.15682922

>>15682916
LMAOOOO

>> No.15682926

>>15682752
>>15682921
Does the storm have permits to dump millions of gallons of freshwater on hyper-saline saltwater wetlands?

>> No.15682931

>>15682916
KWAB I hate journos

>> No.15682942

>>15682921
I’m just trying to get Houston-related storm information and Eric is going full autismo talking about Hilary lol

>> No.15682948

>>15682748
They're being honest about his motivations.
They're not trying to bring out the "musk is putin puppet" leftoid propaganda

>> No.15682951

>>15682880
new launch startups don't generally have a lot of money/capital if they arent founded by someone with a lot of capital to start with like bezos
showing a successful minimum viable product shows your company is somewhat competent and you can then use that as a way to get more funding
building a smallsat launcher lets you learn a lot of stuff that is applicable to a bigger vehicle too even if the smalllauncher won't necessarily be commercially viable by itself
so its basically a mandatory stepping stone
and perhaps even if it isn't commercially viable, it could allow the company to get some funding and launches from governmental sources that want to support a national launch industry
spacex started with a small launcher and after demonstrating that they can launch successfully, they moved on
relativity spaces terran 1 didn't get to orbit but apparently demonstrated enough to keep investors happy (the wikipedia page says the goal was to demonstrate 3d printing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terran_1))
rocketlab has somehow made smallsat profitable? not sure about that though, but they are also moving to a bigger vehicle

>> No.15682952

>>15682887
The problem is western society has gone to shit. Success is seen by mass as evil. Communism propaganda needs to be purged and successful needs to be cherished, looked up to again.

>> No.15682954

https://twitter.com/kieranhannon/status/1693667026190164320

Twitterfags seething commences, obligatory "nationalize spacex" post

>> No.15682955
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>>15682954

>> No.15682959

>>15682832
this is unacceptable, the us needs to nationalize NASA now!

>> No.15682965

>>15682955
They're literally trying to build the impetus and the case for nationalizing SpaceX on there

>> No.15682969

>>15682954
>>15682965
Quit posting rage-bait from literal who’s please, thx
It’s retarded

>> No.15682970

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8H-7ZXs1JI
new relativity video

>> No.15682971

>>15682965
I can recognize you by the way you type.
YOU MUST GO BACK
Twitter seethers aren't building shit

>> No.15682974

>>15682969
>>15682971
https://twitter.com/RonanFarrow/status/1693641090463674511

>1 million followers
>1.6 million views

>> No.15682975

>>15682846
I can’t imagine you could audit ANYTHING SLS-related and have anything good to say kek

>> No.15682976

>>15682974
refer to this >>15682971

>> No.15682978

>15682954
>15682965
Shut the fuck up retard we've already stated 100 times not to post random retards like CSS, Thunderf00t, and ESG Hound here who never have any legitimacy behind their claims. This is clearly just (You) bait so I'm withholding mine until you learn to not post like a retard.

>> No.15682979

>>15682976
see my reply to >>15682971
here >>15682974

>> No.15682980

>>15682974
Look, we all agree with your sentiment at the end of the day
You’re just the stupidest type of poster in this general is all

>> No.15682982

>>15682974
Nigger. Internet microcelebrities are random whos do not get it fucking crossed. They have NO FUCKING GROUND TO DO ANYTHING AT ALL HERE.

>> No.15682984

>>15682980
The second worst type of poster. Second only to selfcentered derailing trannies like collagefag.

>> No.15682992

>>15682982
>Internet microcelebrities
>Ronan Farrow

Clueless

>> No.15682993

>>15682832
Is this OIG's last report before he gets reassigned by Biden?

>> No.15682996
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15682996

Well it looks like that fag shut his trap. Anyways fellas, any updates to Chandraayan-3? I also saw that it looks like Rogozin is going to be executed. Maybe they will strap him to the outside of a Soyuz on re-entry?

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>Konstantin Borisov
Ummm kino name alert

>> No.15683006

>>15682997
He looks more asian than russian, is he from Siberia?

>> No.15683010

>>15682997
The masculine urge to wear a comfy NASA blue flight suit everywhere. It’s like history fags with knight armor or roman military dress

>> No.15683013

>More alarmingly, SpaceX had recently given the Pentagon an ultimatum: if it didn’t assume the cost of providing service in Ukraine, which the company calculated at some four hundred million dollars annually, it would cut off access.
lmao companies aren't sources of endless money? Who knew!

>> No.15683018

>>15683013
The entire article is just bad framing, typical Farrow hitpiece schlock

>> No.15683019

>>15683018
It doesn't read like a hitpiece. It's just an article

>> No.15683024

>>15683019
Then you need to learn to read between the lines, and also crucially see all the posts of others he's retweeting https://twitter.com/RonanFarrow/

His agenda is obvious

>> No.15683027
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15683027

MANNED SPACEFLIGHT IS JUST A PR STUNT, ISN'T IT

>> No.15683028

>>15682758
I like how musk is an overvalued con man that's going to implode tomorrow and also he has too much money and needs to give it away

>> No.15683030

>>15683010
That's his first flight

>> No.15683032

Watch this guy tackle Isaacman next, maybe after or just before his spacewalk

>> No.15683033

>>15683019
>article title is literally "Elon Musk's shadow rule"
>regurgitates the same lies by omission about Starlink in Ukraine

>> No.15683034

>>15683030
Oh I’m not making fun of him, or any other astronaut. I think the flight suit is based

>> No.15683035

>>15683027
>lunar landings still fail due to not being piloted by humans
yeah it's anything but that

>> No.15683037

>>15683027
As of now, yes anon. Until orbital or land based stations off of Earth are built, it is a total PR stunt.

>> No.15683042

>>15683027
just wait until orbital drug manufacture is a big enough business that it's worth sending astronauts to orbital chem labs for more efficient research

>> No.15683043

>>15683019
you need to go back

>> No.15683047

>>15683042
banking on the wrong thing. reminder that this is still a terrible meme

>> No.15683054

>>15683037
So humanity just sort of like, inadvertently started a record once ISS started. We’ve had a continual presence in space for a while now. It’s a trivial thing, but I’m sure it’s a shared interest across the globe. And it was almost broken when ISS was considering abandoning station when that Soyuz got into trouble (and if memory serves, China has yet to start continuously manning their station at that time)
Do you think china would have extended their tiangong mission for another few weeks assuming the ISS was really abandoned? Just to keep the record going?

>> No.15683056

>>15683042
>>15683043

>> No.15683065

>>15683047
>>15683056
fuck you dipshits, lets hear your plan for making manned spaceflight profitable

>> No.15683067

>>15683065
Suborbital capsule flights where you bid on the seat. And you get astronaut wings and wear a flight suit and we pretend we’re a serious aerospace company

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>>15682970
https://twitter.com/relativityspace/status/1693714739438944678

>> No.15683082

>>15683076
My brain is so buck broken by the bolden pasta that as soon as I see ‘Stennis’ or ‘Michoud’ I immediately recite the whole paragraph in my head
I need therapy.

>> No.15683086

>>15683076
We have all the women, ready to make another hype video at Stennis

>> No.15683087

>>15683082
>least deranged /sfg/ poster

>> No.15683093

>>15683027
what do you mean by PR stunt? I think its more about "research", but the actual short term goals are a bit fuzzy
is the Large Hadron Collider a PR stunt?

>> No.15683094

>>15683032
you mean farrow?

>> No.15683099

>>15683094
Yeah

>> No.15683102

>>15682992
Who?

>> No.15683106

>>15683102
Get out of your STEM bubble from time to time

>> No.15683129

>>15683018
Newyorker is owned by condenost, which owns reddit and ars tech.

Aside from berger and steve clark for space stuff, everything condenost is cancer

>> No.15683142

>>15682831
kek good luck

>> No.15683150

>>15683082
Every time someone mentions "two weeks" I think of TWO WEEKS.
And this happens all the time at work.
Also, I thought the phrase "nothingburger" originated here and was a reference to Eric Berger.

>> No.15683152

>>15683106
this homo is well known in leftist circles I guess? or california

>> No.15683153
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15683153

>>15683102
Frank Sinatra's bastard son

>> No.15683158

>>15683106
Uhhhh

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>>15682828
I'm also in my 20s and thinking whether I made good career choices and still trying to figure out what I want to do.
It's hard to fathom for me how those people had/have clear goals for their life and pursue them. When I was close to finishing the high school, I had no idea what I want to do next so I went to the university that was recommended to me by my parents. Again, I'm getting my degree soon and I'm not sure whether I regret that decision or not.

>> No.15683163

crew-7 flight readiness telecon rn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4EjwCIpZrc

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15683171

cybertrucks are in serial production now, maybe one will be on OFT-2

>> No.15683176

>>15683163
fly around happening! will have new pics of station

>> No.15683178

>>15682828
Calling it in from a remote job while I avoid actually working and inching my way to being able to retire. If I can last 10 more years without anything catastrophic, I should be able to retire by 45.

>> No.15683179

>>15683176
Fuck yes

>> No.15683184

>>15683024
>>15683033
>>15683043
eh at least i enjoyed reading it.
of course elon isn't all good no bad. i think it's a reasonable reflection of his.
don really care if the response and framing on xitter or the authors rexeets are biased i was commenting on the post

>> No.15683187

>>15683033
Qrd on what's omitted?

>> No.15683190

>>15683187
Starshield for one, which basically solved the problem, zero mention of it in the article

Negative slant only

>> No.15683193

"we're starting with Chris davenport, please state your name"
>"hey it's Chris davenport..."

>> No.15683194

>>15681851
You can be a prosperous and successful junior partner with a good standard of living for your people and a respected place in the world order, or you can burn all of that in a play for dominance against the people who crushed you last time, despite your fundamental metrics being worse than last time.

Idk, doesn’t seem like a hard choice. The American offer isn’t slavery, it’s just acceptance that you’ll never be preeminent.

>> No.15683195

what are the spaceflight implications of musk reportedly taking ketamine regularly?

>> No.15683197

spacex guy says they could do 3 simultaneous falcon launches theoretically with their teams

>> No.15683198

>>15683197
I believe him

>> No.15683200

>>15683187
That SpaceX was not a profitable company and was hemorrhaging money.

>> No.15683201

"it's not easy"
aka
you know what

>> No.15683205

fucking valves holy shit

>> No.15683210

>>15683171
No they are launching a house

>> No.15683214

Just realized this will be the first crew launch with HD 1080p

>> No.15683216

>>15683214
views of Dragon seperation

>> No.15683220

CRACKS

>> No.15683219

>>15683082
It's not that easy in brain parasites

>> No.15683223

>>15683205
There's a reason NASA hates moving parts in space, they fail with astonishing regularity

>> No.15683225

the root cause is Russia

>> No.15683227

Foust bringing up starliner valve being shitty lmao

>> No.15683233
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TWO ORIONS

>> No.15683234

It’s not that easy in valvery

>> No.15683240

>>15682125
Masculine and feminine grammatical cases can also be called Active and Passive grammatical cases.
IE masculine objects act, while feminine objects are acted upon.
If your language is gendered, it is stupid to call engines female, because engines act upon things, rather than vice versa.

>> No.15683242

>>15682752
>tropical depression/storm
wow it's fucking nothing

>> No.15683243

>>15683233
YESS

>> No.15683247

so tired of these 3AM crew launches

>> No.15683248

>>15683233
TWO MORE LAUNCHES

>> No.15683249

Kek so both boeing and SeX are negligent of testing for a bajillion parameters, but forgetting that the ship actually has to sit in a humid salty coastline for a long time before launch

>> No.15683251

>>15683240
>Masculine and feminine grammatical cases can also be called Active and Passive grammatical cases.
>IE masculine objects act, while feminine objects are acted upon.
>If your language is gendered, it is stupid to call engines female, because engines act upon things, rather than vice versa.
depends on the language. german has no such rule

>> No.15683254

>>15683249
sounds like SpaceX does test it, but their test environment isn't 100% identical to the ocean so they're tweaking it

>> No.15683259

eza

>> No.15683262

France moment

>> No.15683264
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>>15683249
the solution is so fucking obvious

>> No.15683270

We should take the existing Saturn V stages and use them for something fun.

>> No.15683274
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>>15683270
*Falcon 9 stages

>> No.15683275

https://twitter.com/MarsRabbitFarm/status/1693715105370746881

This is almost Roscosmos tier corruption

>> No.15683280

>>15683274
Why not both? Surely we'd be able to get a crew of four brave anons somewhere cool, without designing for a return journey ofc

>> No.15683281

>>15683187
>Qrd on what's omitted?

Sanctions on Russia and the laws on exporting missile guidance systems.

>> No.15683285

>>15683275
This sounds super schizo and I almost hope he is making it up, because it’s too much of a blackpill for retarded shit like this to be happening without any sort of repercussion

>> No.15683291

>>15682916
I'm french so it can't help but like this spelling (that's how we use ¨) even though it looks dumb in english. Apparently this is a very old standard at the new yorker they refuse to change, weird

https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2012/04/we-resist-further-cooperation-cooperation/328832/

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Gloves OFF India best India. Knowing ISRO we're going to get an SLS that's 100x cheaper than the SLS.

>> No.15683302

>>15683254
Have they considered desalination of the oceans?

>> No.15683303

>>15683296
Super heavy lift hypergolic rocket with a dinky little cryogenic hydrogen kick stage for some reason

>> No.15683309

>>15683285
Have you ever read "Truth, lies and O-rings"?

>> No.15683311

>>15683187
That no one else other than SpaceX has an internet constellation like starlink. That military contractors are getting billions for equipement that gets blown up 2 days in, while SpaceX were giving internet for free. That getting involved in a meaningless slavshit chimpout would make starlink satellites a legitimate target, which is the last thing a corporation like SpaceX needs, especially when getting nothing in return. That when Musk raised the question of actual payment, the pisscrainians put him on a kill list.

>> No.15683323

>>15683106
>stop talking to smart people and engage with the pretentious retards
no

>> No.15683329

>>15683291
>theatlantic
communist site

>> No.15683337

Anti-stemtards? In this general?

>> No.15683338

>>15683024
>>15683033
it's funny because I know it's a hit piece but every paragraph just makes me like him more
>In a podcast interview last year, Musk was asked whether he has more influence than the American government. He replied immediately, “In some ways.”
All these "attacks" only work if you already hate him, all I see is based

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>>15683275

>> No.15683341

its over

>the era of the United States and its major allies enjoying unmatched abilities to monitor their opponents from space is coming to an end
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/chinese-spying-on-australian-drills-from-space-sign-of-shifting-orbital-balance

>> No.15683343

>>15683337
Don't forget that this is /sci/.

>> No.15683345

>>15683194
preëminent*

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>>15683339
https://twitter.com/MarsRabbitFarm/status/1664764186558181376

this sounds a bit schizoy

>> No.15683351

>>15683338
All these articles read like
>Elon Musk, the rambunctious ring leader behind ventures such as Tesla and SpaceX, has gone on record stating “…yes, I wish to colonize the Stars. I believe we should leave Earth government behind and stop paying taxes.”
And expect me to be… appalled at this?

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>>15683350
the below is the last part of the tweet

> Do you know of other NASA financial waste? If I left something out or got something wrong join the discussion below. If you wish to read future updates or other articles please follow me. You can support my work by retweeting this article and/or leaving a tip via the link in my pinned post.

>If you or your company was mentioned in this article and desire to give feed back feel free to message me. Advertisers/sponsors can also contact me via twitter. This article was written with financial support by me.

>Ray Future Martian

>> No.15683360

>>15683350
>>15683353
He's right.

>> No.15683364

>Crew 6 undock will include a fly-around

WOOOOOOOOO

>> No.15683365

>>15683249
SpaceX has a history of fighting the ocean, the Falcon 1's first failure was because of sea salt corrosion

>> No.15683366

>>15683341
Nah but we do need more articles like these, if only to make boomers shit and piss themselves and demand more US space presence

>> No.15683371

>>15683285
well it makes sense there would be outright corruption as well, not just incompetence
the amount of waste is so massive that some pure corruption would be relatively easy to hide? just give some bullshit reason why it was paid

>> No.15683378

>>15683366
Australians are retards who will complain about being spied on by chink satellites, but then go and complain about US rockets adding to the carbon footprint. I hope china counts every cigarette butt in that shithole

>> No.15683385

>>15683366
>make boomers shit and piss themselves and demand more US space presence
Yeah, we absolutely need more boing! and locksneed grift.

>> No.15683388

>>15683385
Good counterpoint actually, damn

>> No.15683392
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According to my calcs, agena+mercury capsule had about 2800 dV fully fueled, which was almost enough to pull an apollo 8 (3260) if the soviets attempted some quick shit.

Now agena needed some fuel to insert itself into LEO, but that spent fuel could have been refilled by a second agena in orbit, if a mechanism of fuel transfer had been available.

Mercury moon intercept could have been a reality had agena not been plaged with reliability issues.

Except that perhaps the mercury thermal shield was not enough for direct lunar reentry?

>> No.15683397

>>15683392
>if a mechanism of fuel transfer had been available.
Huge hand wave.
Good post though

>> No.15683407

What do we really mean when we say that we will have base on the Moon? We are planning to land some module here and call it a base? Because I don't see how we will have 2 modules together. Like no one will land 1 module directly next to each other. That's like asking for a disaster. And we don't have any technology to move big module on moon and then connect them.

And no astronaut will build shit here. Last time I checked they were barely walking there

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> the chinks are gonna do something that finally galvanizes politicians so they take space seriously!!1!

>> No.15683411

>>15683392
I think the actual lunar Gemini proposal would have involved docking with a transtage on orbit instead, but it's a similar concept.

>> No.15683413

>>15683392
lmao have you seen a Mercury capsule? Even if they had enough supplies to make it to the moon and back you'd be sitting in a phone booth for six days plus

>> No.15683417

>>15683407
Yeah it’s just a buzzword. Last I checked the first actual dedicated “living quarter” module isn’t slated until Artemis VIII in like 2031 or something. Artemis is only cool because of gateway PPE and HLS Moonship. Other than that it’s fucking gay and I’d prefer if it were just cancelled entirely

>> No.15683418

>>15683413
Have you ever seen a Gemini capsule? You're describing pretty much all of early spaceflight

>> No.15683421

>>15683392
Considering how it could barely manage a single day in orbit I wouldn't trust Mercury to survive a trip to the Moon and back

>> No.15683424

>>15683275
>>15683339
This guy is just a jealous whiner. The Senator Administrator can do whatever the fuck he wants, backed by the full power of the United States Executive branch

>> No.15683426

>>15683392
Lunar Mercury... jesus christ

>> No.15683430

Orbital assembly dyna soar stack + orbital habitation module Venus flyby

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>>15683424
This is a “can do” western union wire exchange

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>>15683430
I'm thinken about the Martian Gemini Lander

>> No.15683450
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For me its the Mercury One-Man Space Station
>The Hinged Lab design would see the Mercury spacecraft swing on a hinge so that a modified Mercury side hatch could link up with a hatch on the side of the One-Man Space Station. When time came to return to Earth, the astronaut would seal the Mercury hatch, then swing his spacecraft back to its Earth launch position on top of the Station. He would fire explosive bolts to separate the Mercury from the hinged adapter, then would begin reentry.
http://spaceflighthistory.blogspot.com/2016/11/one-man-space-station-1960.html

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>>15683411
Or a Centaur. Either could have got an Apollo 8 flight earlier and cheaper than with Saturn, and all of those proposals were all aggressively canceled for that exact reason.

It would have been quick and cheap but I'm not sure just how eager anyone would be for that flight i practice. Just because Gemini VII spent two weeks in their capsule didn't mean that it was a pleasant experience.

>> No.15683454

>>15683444
Hell yeah that’s like one of the first photos in my extensive /sfg/ folder kek. It’s so interesting and stupid that it horseshoes into being cool

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Daily reminder that Valkyrie-Gemini was seriously studied

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>>15683450

>> No.15683462

>>15683459
No fucking way bwahahah they must have been seriously grasping at straws to give this plane a use

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I guess we haven't discussed fluorine upper stages

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>>15683462
It got worse

>> No.15683472

>>15683465
The 50s and 60s were SO based. US and Soviets would test anything and everything as long as one person said it might work

>> No.15683473
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15683473

Reminder that the Chinese tried to make a shitty Gemini knock off
>Shuguang-1 never got off paper, but what we know about it suggests the same basic setup as a Gemini capsule. There was a forward re-entry capsule meant to house two and an aft equipment module. Like the Gemini, the equipment module was designed to sever in two just before re-entry, exposing four retrorockets that would bend its trajectory back to Earth and not incidentally lighten it to make its return through the atmosphere less rough. Even so, it’s estimated that the journey would be considerably rougher on its passengers than either a Mercury or Vostok: up to 11 G’s on the ride to orbit and 8 G’s on re-entry. Despite its relatively large size it would have been lighter than a Gemini or even a Vostok, easily the lightest two-man capsule ever built, and as part of the return on that its taikonauts would have had to suffer 150 decibels during the launch. It’s unknown if it would have landed on solid ground or on water, though it’s worth noting that the Chinese did develop a small squadron of ships to let them communicate with satellites when they weren’t over Chinese territory—they may have been intended to serve double-duty and recover crew capsules after an ocean splashdown.
https://falsesteps.wordpress.com/2012/08/04/project-714-and-shuguang-1-the-first-chinese-space-program/

>> No.15683475

>>15683462
As they should have been because it's fucking COOL

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>>15683472
for real. I might keep astronautixposting for a bit

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>>15683466
Reminds me of the MAKS

>> No.15683479 [DELETED] 

>>15683473
Gemurnurr casurr

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>> No.15683490

why is berger obsessed with russia failing in spaceflight. russia derangement syndrome?

>> No.15683491

>>15683476
I know there were serious plans to take the X-15 orbital but I’m not sure how metal TPSs work. I guess because it’s LEO that it could have just use the metal alloy and nothing else but I’m sure it would have been scary as shit considering it was already a death trap just flying in a high altitude environment
Some anon here once said metal TPS (i.e. no additional tiling or insulation) only works with larger surface area but I don’t know what he based that on

>> No.15683492

>>15683478
VGH
so much wasted tech

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>>15683490
A little bit if that but his article is actually good. Putin has actively allowed corruption to run absolutely rampant through roscosmos. And they used to be equals to NASA (better than NASA in fact, at one point) and it’s just funny to make fun of them for this because they still larp like they’re as good as they used to be during the golden soviet days

>> No.15683498

>>15683491
I think x-15 had an ablative TPS. x-20 would have used hot structure, if the engineers said it would good I guess it would have been

>> No.15683502

>>15682817
I can confirm it. You have space autism.

>> No.15683503

>>15683498
Oh interesting

>> No.15683506

>>15682817
Ask him.

>> No.15683509

>>15683478
I kinda think maks would have been smarter if it had a two stage system - think System 49 - that avoids Liquid hydrogen, that way you can have an actual crewed orbital launcher that can operates from any major airport given relatively reasonable equipments, liquid oxygen isn't as hard as liquid hydrogen.

>> No.15683511

>>15682801
Après Elon, le déluge

>> No.15683516

>>15683494
>better than NASA in fact, at one point
Literally when.
Ok they had manned spaceflight when NASA didn't, and maybe had higher launch rate for a few years post cold war - but everything else NASA was vastly superior to roscosmos

>> No.15683520

>>15683516
That’s precisely what I’m referring to, yes

>> No.15683525

>>15683516
>Russia wasn’t better than NASA at one point
>They were only briefly better than NASA, here are some examples in fact
Extra chromosome detected

>> No.15683531

>>15683520
>>15683525
>Space agency is only about crewed access to space
stupid
JAXA and ESA are useless now?

>> No.15683533

>>15683531
Yes, crewed access to space is the most important thing.

>> No.15683537

>>15683531
Read a book, watch october sky, something bro. Anything. Sputnik was a game changer. Gagarin was a momentary defeat. It was a race and things happened before Apollo 11

>> No.15683540

>>15683494
>>15683516
>>15683531
Every government space agency is corrupt oldspace trash. SpaceX is the future. Everything else is cope.

>> No.15683542

>>15682828
Working on stealing this guy's girlfriend
>>15682831

>> No.15683544

>>15683542
Hahah

>> No.15683546
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https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/08/chris-kemp-unplugged-astras-ceo-dishes-on-the-space-companys-struggles/

> "I’m a public company, I can’t make this shit up."
ehh, that doesn't sound good

>> No.15683547

>>15683544
A willing cuck, even better

>> No.15683548

>>15682848
>enigne
Brought to you by the power of Photoshop, attention to detail and convict DNA

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>>15683546
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1693738236177228160

>> No.15683550

>>15683547
No i’m just a random anon but that was funny

>> No.15683554

>>15683549
>>15683546
SpaceX is doin just fine, Chris :)

>> No.15683563

>>15683549
>SpaceX isn't

Ohnonononono the cope

>> No.15683566

>>15683291
My condolences

>> No.15683568

>>15683546
This man is malding so hard I can practically see his hairline recede in real time

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Giant Martian cruisers when?

>> No.15683572

>>15682752
That launch tower is fucking done. I hope that cheap concrete and rust holds out for you muskoids

>> No.15683573

>>15683339
based ballast nonenjoyer

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>>15683546
> "So I look at it and I say, well, if I were not to do launch, we simply wouldn’t be able to bill the Space Force for these milestones. So what it does it cost me to continue running launch versus what would it cost me to shut down launch? It’s kind of a wash, honestly, if we continue to get contracts and government support for launch, and the government has said that they really want to support it. I mean, there are three (private or venture-backed) companies right now operating that have put satellites in orbit—SpaceX, Rocket Lab, and Astra—full stop. Firefly’s stuff deorbited in a few days. ABL blew up everything, Relativity failed and scrubbed the program and won’t fly again until 2027 [Relativity says Terran R's first flight is scheduled for 2026].

> "We had four payload flights, and two of them did not work, objectively. They got damn close, but close doesn’t cut it, especially that NASA flight [with the TROPICS hurricane research satellites]. We had a very, very detailed root cause analysis... There was a missing fleck of thermal protection barrier coating on the inside of the upper stage engine [that] caused a small fuel leak ... Had it worked, we might have flown more flights. We might have flown out the TROPICS flights successfully [NASA had two more launches for the TROPICS mission reserved with Astra, then switched them to Rocket Lab after the first one failed].

>> No.15683577

its so over for astra

>> No.15683580

>>15683569
>nuclear powered house on treads roaming the Martian landscape collecting data on a surveying charter
a life I can only dream of

>> No.15683581

>>15682801
I wonder if he even stopped to think about what Elon said

The government tried and failed to incentivize various industrial efforts over the past two decades, and along came a guy who A) made electric cars cool B) slapped oldspace in the face with reusable rockets and C) made power grids worldwide stable with battery backup installations.
This is in addition to his satellite internet business (now outcompeting subsidized broadband worldwide), attempts at making public transportation easier to achieve underground, solar rooftop installations, and quixotic attempts to fix social media before someone uses it to blow up western civilization

He is absolutely more influential than the government in some areas, because he can and does "make it happen" where the government fears to tread

>> No.15683583

>>15682628
Well, he's correct about the fundamental existence of the problem, the question is what solution he proposes

>> No.15683585

>>15683546
I hope they go on to discover the secret of why BLM

>> No.15683587

>>15683580
it's just like that dang Star Wars movie the kids are all talking about

>> No.15683588

>>15683194
The living standards of the whole world are generally improving be they in China, India, Iran, Russia or even North Korea so let’s not pretend that you have to be aligned with the US or be stuck living in mud huts and often times the main reason why a nation has stunted living standards is due to things like sanctions and predatory economic practices imposed on them. Also most of the nations the US got under its belt after WW2 already had very high living standards before the war. Germany or Japan would obviously have recovered on their own even if the US was not involved. And speaking of those two nations I remember the US forced Japan to accept the plaza accords which fucked up their competitiveness economically and ruined their growth while Germany got their gas pipeline blown up for fear they may purchase cheap energy that would keep their industry competitive.

As for the nations that do accept getting dominated you claim they become prosperous and living standards improve but what about the other things the US will do to them? We just gonna ignore the social policies of the US and especially their policies on immigration and sexuality because it seems to be causing some serious turmoil even in the US itself let alone it’s vassals who are forced to adopt these ideas and suffer the decline in living standards as housing becomes basically unaffordable for most people or immigrants cause wages to stagnate while overspending causes mass inflation destroying purchasing power while your very identity and race is annihilated.

Finally Russia is a vast nation with a long history and probably the most potential of any nation on Earth so selling out for Coca Cola and McDonald’s which they already did once to poor effect would be pretty dumb to do the exact same thing knowing the US sees them and their potential as an obvious threat will just try to cripple them economically or break them up into smaller less threatening nations again.

>> No.15683589

>>15683569
Imagine operating this bad girl under the influence of a couple of beers and some vodka WEW
I’d be trying to pull off some real risky shit

>> No.15683594

>>15683577
Astra hasn't even started being over yet

>> No.15683610

>>15683589
- Gene Cernan after unfolding the lunar rover

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>> No.15683619

>>15683616
What is this, a space capsule for ants?

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>> No.15683638

>>15683619
It's Soyuz. Please understand, space is at a premium so we can minimize heat shield mass.

>> No.15683654
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>>15683478
The American version was not as graceful...

>> No.15683668

>>15683654
>9 engines
why?

>> No.15683671

>>15683668
RL-10 was the only rocket engine they had

>> No.15683679
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>>15683668
The 1xSSME variant was overpowered and still needed the RL-10 to handle the last stretch of the ascent (otherwise too many Gs).. so why not use only RL-10?

>> No.15683682
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>NOTS-EV-1 Pilot, better known as NOTSNIK (a play on "sputnik")
>Ten were launched during July and August 1958
>It was the first air-launched rocket to be used for an orbital launch attempt; however, none was recorded as having reached orbit.
>Following the third orbital launch attempt a NOTS engineer at the tracking station in Christchurch, New Zealand reported receiving a weak signal from the spacecraft; This was never confirmed, and the launches were not catalogued as having reached orbit.
>The project remained classified until 1994.
It made it to orbit, I want to believe

>> No.15683698
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15683698

Uncanny valley... kill it.

>> No.15683700

>>15683698
What's different, besides the oms

>> No.15683701
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15683701

Would you ride?

>> No.15683703

>>15683700
Look at the airlock in the nose. Also the optional jet engines.

>> No.15683706

>>15683219
What would effects of the /sfg/ brain parasite be?

>> No.15683717

>>15683701
>How do we kill several graduating classes of astronauts at once and maintain plausible deniability?

>> No.15683718

>>15683706
Failure to successfully court bad bitches

>> No.15683721
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>>15683701
In another world this would be a space tourism platform with the orbital coca cola and everything

>> No.15683728

>>15683721
Whoa i’ve seen that pixel before

>> No.15683729

>>15683718
I have to leave /sfg/ immediately.

>> No.15683730

>>15683706
hydro(loggs)phobia

>> No.15683762

>>15683019
>it doesn't read like a hitpiece
LMAO

>> No.15683772

>>15683187
>More alarmingly, SpaceX had recently given the Pentagon an ultimatum: if it didn’t assume the cost of providing service in Ukraine, which the company calculated at some four hundred million dollars annually, it would cut off access.
Take this statement for example.

1) SpaceX is donating free hardware and service
2) They did it out of good will when Ukraine asked during the early days of the war
3) 1 year after, Pentagon still hadn't negotiated with SpaceX/Starlink on contracts
4) Pentagon leaks out Starlink funding negotiation
5) Its "alarming" that 1 year after, no contract was negotiated
6) SpaceX isn't a profit making company and Starlink/Starship are huge expense incurring megaprojects
7) Biden admin cancelled $1B Starlink RDOF funding
8) After a year or so, Pentagon finally decides to subscribe to 400 Starlink.
9) Ukraine has ~40K Starlinks of which ~10K are from SpaceX themselves, while the rest are hodgepodge volunteers program

The framing of the whole situation is just one minor problem of the entire article. The entire article is a framed as if Musk is nefariously trying to sabatoge everything.

>> No.15683782

>>15683772
10) Starlink is the absolute lifeline of Ukraine, its what saved Ukraine from Russia, its whats saving Ukraine from Russia, without it, Ukraine is blind/deaf/mute and cannot effectively relay operations control between frontline and control centers
11) SpaceX/Starlink has been gaslit by the Biden/leftist media because they absolutely hate Musk for not kowtowing

>> No.15683786

>>15683782
>>15683772
The real story here is how evil the leftists are. They're trying to tear down Musk because he didn't align with them politically for union/communism/trannyism/covid/vaccine.

>> No.15683802

>>15683772
it's brought up several times, to the point that I think it's really the central thesis of the article, that musk gets into positions where he hasn't done anything wrong, but has a scary amount of power.
a similar point was brought up with tesla. how the biden admin wanted to push for a universal standard to electric car charging, but couldn't because so much of the existing infrastructure was teslas proprietary connector. so now patent law and innovation in a field that everyone wants innovated has to be seen as a bad thing.
same with spacex and sn8. faa wants to halt it until they figure out how wrong it could possibly go. spacex does it anyway. it goes as wrong as possible, and it's not that bad.

>> No.15683808

>>15683546
This guy is so full of shit lmao

>> No.15683810

Why not just combine VERITAS and EnVision if both NASA and ESA are complaining about budget issues. Seems retarded and redundant for two closely related agencies to be sending two separate but similar missions

>> No.15683813
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>>15683106
No

>> No.15683814

>>15683810
NASA outright banned any foreign contributions to missions above a certain percentage (40%?) after InSight's fuckup

>> No.15683817

>>15683810
EnVision is shaping up to be a joint mission and VERITAS is all but cancelled right now so

>> No.15683823

>>15683813
Machine men! With machine minds and machine hearts!

>> No.15683826

>>15683810
I wish Rocket Lab went for an orbiter instead or an atmospheric probe for their Venus mission. I do appreciate the ambition but an orbiter would have a much higher chance of succeed and could gather more data for a longer time. Fpr how long is that Japanese orbiter going to operate?

>> No.15683837

>>15683826
Till they start running out of fuel I guess, I hope that as they start the descent they take some risky but rewarding photos closer and closer to Venus

>> No.15683841

>>15683826
JAXA is going to run Akatsuki till she dies. She’s resilient as hell.
This is the mission that was lost and entered heliocentric orbit for like 5 years before JAXA was able to successfully bootleg her to Venus orbit by firing the control thrusters lol

>> No.15683848

>>15683841
IIRC it helped that their thrusters and engine all used the same propellant tank

>> No.15683851

>>15683848
Interesting if true. That ended up being a mission saver

>> No.15683859

>>15683772
400 Starlink itself is only ~1-2M for a full year too, thats absolutely nothing.

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>>15683851
Yup, right there in black and white

>> No.15683863

DAVINCI will return kino photos but why the hell is no one interested in a lander that can measure its life in days/weeks/months, not hours/seconds. DAVINCI isn’t even supposed to survive impact. Billions for Mars, pennies for Venus

>> No.15683867

>>15683863
>Billions for Mars, pennies for Venus
fr

>> No.15683874

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/north-korean-missile-capable-striking-us-likely-cooperation-russia-rcna100450

Sounds like the norks got help with their rocket program

>> No.15683880

>>15683826
Observations taken from orbit are a lot different from readings from sensors that are actually down in the soup. NASA, ESA, Roscosmos, CNSA, and ISRO have plans for a total of six Venus orbiters, but only DAVINCI, Shukrayaan-1, and Venera-D actually get into the atmosphere. Designing another orbiter would mean that they probably just end up overlapping with a much larger and better funded mission. It also probably costs a lot less delta-v to have an interplanetary photon drop a probe on a flyby than have it actually pull into orbit.

>> No.15683883

>>15683837
IIRC it won't have a camera since it is so small, only sensors.

>> No.15683890

>>15683874
Deboonked
https://twitter.com/ArmsControlWonk/status/1693419649952542973

>> No.15683891

>>15683491
Orbital X-15 is the good timeline

>> No.15683892

>>15683874
>nbc
I wouldn't trust any media to give you accurate informaiton. Yellow journalism is the norm right now, and partisan hackery news media like NBC absolutely cannot be trusted on anything.

>> No.15683894

>>15683863
Billions for Mars and Moon, Millions for Jupiter, pennies for everywhere else.

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>>15683786
You niggers were warned about this in 2020 but didn't listen.

>> No.15683896

>>15683883
that's some bullshit, cameras weigh 5 grams

>> No.15683897

>>15683891
Orbital x-15 existed when incrementally faster suborbital flights were expected to lead up to orbital and lunar missions. Maybe there would have been cool shit in that timeline and it would definitely be a lot more aesthetically appealing, but I can't really see spaceplanes making it to the moon in any realistic sense (lunex project look it up)

>> No.15683898
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>>15683883
I'm talking about Akatsuki

>> No.15683900

>>15683880
Roscomos probably won't do anything, NASA and ESA's projects are at risk of cancellation, so I think there is room for more orbiters. But you might be right about the Delta V.

>> No.15683903

>>15683895
I warned /sfg/ that Biden and Musk would fight it out. /sfg/ back then called my schizo. Now the entire field is a warzone between Musk/Biden-communists lefts

>> No.15683904

>>15683706
We've got it on the test stand at Stennis

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>>15683898

>> No.15683906

>>15682049
>by the time those are built and they launch
>SpaceX will have ~8000 satellites in LEO
mogged so hard

>> No.15683911

>>15683905
Schizo but now I can’t unsee it

>> No.15683914

>>15683867
>>15683863
Penis for Venus

>> No.15683921

>>15683772
>muh jewkraine is sovereign teritory!!!
>what do you mean starlink is private property!? you have to give it for free, you evil putler apologist!

>> No.15683929

>>15683921
Its downright assinine that Biden's Pentagon is making this sort of argument. Like WHAT THE FUCK?

>> No.15683933

>3 lunar landers launched, Hakuto-R and Luna 25 crashed, Chandrayaan 3 is en route
>SLIM (another lunar lander) and a telescope (XRISM) to be launched soon
>Euclid telescope launched
>JUICE launched, managed to fix antenna issue
>Juno is doing multiple Io flybys
>Psyche to be launched
>Bennu samples will return soon
>Lucy will do an asteroid flyby
>Ingenuity still refuses to die
>Voyager almost looses contact
>And maybe more I'm forgetting right now
So far this has been an interesting year for robotic space exploration. I'm glad /sfg/ started to chat more about probes in the last few days

>> No.15683936

>>15683900
Things looked great for Venus for all of fifteen minutes and then everything got defunded to the point of effective cancellation. Right now there's nothing but room in orbit.

After skimming things in NASA's trajectory browser the difference between the difference between the least demanding Venus flyby and rendezvous trajectories is about 500m/s of dV. I can see that being a big issue for something as small as Photon.

>> No.15683937

>>15683933
When is new horizons taking its neptune photo

>> No.15683943

>>15682660
What phenotype is that?

>> No.15683944

>>15683929
>DOD budget for 2023 - $1.77 Trillion
>NASA budget for 2023 - $25.4 Billion
gay prison planet

>> No.15683950

>>15683936
I'm interested in Shukrayaan but
>In May 2022, ISRO chairman S. Somanath stated that the mission is planned for launch in December 2024, with an alternate launch window in 2031.
Why a 7 year gap between the windows?
>>15683937
It will be on September

>> No.15683961

>>15683950
>7 year gap between the windows?
That’s one mighty good night sir

>> No.15683964

>>15683950
Bloody basterd chairman redeem first window

>> No.15683966
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>> No.15683968

>We use satellite internet at a place on the lake. Expensive and not always reliable. Neighbor said "Check out Starlink." No thanks - I'll take expensive and unreliable.

We are at this level now of EDS

>> No.15683970

>>15683968
Who are you quoting? Whoever said this is probably just being facetious

>> No.15683972

>>15683968
it's quite prevalent in the EV space which I heavily follow. Sure it's a small minority, but they're loud. Some people are going bananas with the country wide switch to NACS because musk r eevil, saying they'll buy a lucid or something because it doesn't plan to use NACS (yet)

>> No.15683975

>>15683966
I keep calling the whole thing Chandrayaan 3 but the lander is actually called Vikran and the rover is Pragyan

>> No.15683978

>>15683950
They could be scraping the limits of what the LVM3 can lift. Mangalyaan and Chandrayaan-2 both had to get tossed into GTO-like orbits before pushing themselves onto their final outbound trajectories. Good Venus launch windows show up just as frequently as ones for Mars but Shukrayaan might need more than just a "good" launch window.

>> No.15683979

>>15683975
that's fine, it's like Apollo 16 vs Casper CSM and Orion LM

>> No.15683999

>>15683978
Following the source on wikipedia it looks like the wiki article is just written weird. The 2024 date is the ideal goal, and the 2031 goal comes from the fact that the mission is not really in any official state yet besides hypothetical. It’s two different ideas, someone just combined them into a single sentence
But nonetheless: yeah GSLV Mk III (I can’t get that name out of my head sorry) can do 10T to LEO and 4T to GTO. What was the reason for not doing a direct TLI or something? Did they have to go with a lower powered upper stage to save more mass for the actual payload or something?

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>> No.15684005
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wtf manley is based now????

>> No.15684009

>>15684005
SLS hate is pretty unanimous

>> No.15684011

>>15684005
based congress 4 space victory

>> No.15684024

>>15683999
TLI needs something like 500-1000m/s more delta-v than GTO. GSLV3 can only manage about half of its GTO payload to that trajectory and CY-3 was big enough to almost max out the rocket's GTO capacity. There was also probably also some programmatic comfort in dropping the payload into a standard orbit that they'd proven they could hit a few times before.

>> No.15684033

>>15684024
ISRO needs a more powerful rocket but I think they’re already working with a small budget anyways

>> No.15684041
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Remember that this guy missed out on flying to space because he was a fatass. Don't be like him

>> No.15684045

>>15684041
What if you're underweight?

>> No.15684047

>>15684041
Bro’s got TWO citations for that roast

>> No.15684051

>>15684045
They slot you on ALPACA

>> No.15684052

remember the rat milking threads?

>> No.15684066

>>15684041
A BO employee flew on a Falcon 9? At least one of them went to orbit lmao
>>15684052
what prompted you to ask about this here?

>> No.15684068

>>15684005
was he not based before

>> No.15684069

>>15684066
I remembered the time /sfg/ talked about rat milking
clearly you're too new to understand

>> No.15684070

>>15684068
I mean, most anons don't like when he says something idpol (me included to some extent)

>> No.15684071

>>15684066
I think he was working somewhere else when Inspiration4 happened and then got a job at BO afterwards

>> No.15684072

>>15684069
I remember someone talking about a rat mengele here once

>> No.15684078
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So where would you put the first research wildlife reserve on mars?

>> No.15684081

>>15684071
>flies on dragon
>just HAPPENS to get hired by blorigin for a debrief

>> No.15684084

>>15684078
wherever there are alien microbes that somehow survived mars turning into a barren wasteland
if they exist of course

>> No.15684085

>>15684078
Bottom of Hellas Basin, one of the poles, of in a tube. Anywhere else is bunk.

>> No.15684086

>>15684081
Surely they made I4 sign an NDA. And even if they didn't men will be on Mars by the time Blorg makes a dragon clone

>> No.15684135

>>15684052
I only vaguely remember rat milking but the mutated giant bug leg clusters are burned into my mind forever

>> No.15684136

>>15684066
He was a lockheed martin employee before. Blue might have poached him or the info is wrong.

>> No.15684138

>>15683972
There's probably enough salty VC money out there to get someone to fund better ethanol fuel cells as a way to beat Tesla in EVs. The marketing writes itself.
>fuel up in two minutes while Teslas take an hour
>ethanol from our farms, not lithium from China
All you'd need is moderately comparable motors/aero and a big fuel tank to win on range.

>> No.15684150

>>15683970
Nope lol. If they're leftist, they're retarded.

>> No.15684154

>>15684138
Tesla lithium comes from australia mainly. Refinery is being built @ Texas at this moment. Another mine processing in Nevada, if the gov moves ahead with fucking approval of lithium mines. There's one in another state that Tesla wants to source from but regulatory limbo slows these products down by decades

>> No.15684181

>>15684138
Ethanol is just too low energy it is a meme fuel that only exists as subsidy

>> No.15684187

>>15683943
idk, seems slightly semitic.

>> No.15684199

>>15684150
Fucking niggerish /pol/tard tainting every thread.

>> No.15684231

>>15683082
What pasta?

>> No.15684244

>>15684231
Let’s be very honest, we don’t have a commercially available heavy-lift vehicle. The Falcon 9 Heavy may some day come about. It’s on the drawing board right now.

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>>15683944
NASA is a jobs and "outreach" first and foremost so I don't think doubling or tripling their budget would do anything meaningful for science or space.

>> No.15684252

>>15683082
Kemp is doing it too.

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/08/chris-kemp-unplugged-astras-ceo-dishes-on-the-space-companys-struggles/

>This is our rocket facility. This is a quarter of a million square feet. You can see the rocket production line behind me. There are people down there making rocket stuff. It’s real. That’s a Rocket 4 stage on the production line ...

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>>15683972
Even this major EDS surfer had to eventually admit he was wrong. Though he does make a few fair criticisms but aren't really important in the grand scheme of things. Such as requiring an app to pay to charge compared with simply using card or cash.

>> No.15684270

>>15684266
>Even this major EDS surfer had to eventually admit he was wrong.
He barely even tries to hide how salty he is about that.

>> No.15684271

>>15684041
How much of a fat ass was he when crew dragon was designed to carry 7 people initially instead of the current 4

>> No.15684277

>>15684251
But have they checked the unemployment level. There is no need for jobs programs.

>> No.15684294

>>15684181
Ethanol is close enough in efficiency to gasoline that if the catalysts are strong/stable enough a direct conversion fuel cell is competitive. There's been nanotech work on that front in the past few years.

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>>15684187
No, if he was jewish he would have got the Nobel despite his irascibility
>A Nobel is not just an award for a piece of work but is a recognition of a scientist's overall reputation, he believes. And by that definition, Hoyle – who died in 2001, never having recanted his belief in the steady state theory even when it was clearly demonstrated to be wrong – was unworthy of a prize

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>>15682693
>the president is responsible for spaceflight mishaps because he is the only name I can name
Amaricans and their "main character" syndrome is a blight on the world.

>> No.15684378

>>15684135
>mutated giant bug leg clusters

/sfg/s finest contribution to off world meat production.

>> No.15684380

>>15684373
Not our fault the rest of the world hasn't managed to make it as a main character.

>> No.15684385

>>15684271
Guy weighed 150 kg at 5'10. Thats a BMI of 47 and puts him squarely into obesity. He exceeded weight requirements by 36 kg. I think its less about payload and more about a highly obese person not being able to climb mountains and all the other shit they had to do for training. This guy would be in a capsule with 3 other people for 3 days tok. They all use one toilet. His existence within the capsule is an active psychological hazard to the crew.

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>>15684380
Illiteracy, too.

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>>15684391
There is no need to be upset

>> No.15684397

Staging

>>15684395
>>15684395
>>15684395

>> No.15684405

>>15683786
this, probably a big reason why musk bought twitter

>> No.15684416

>>15683903
this is just a reaction to their massive overstepping

>> No.15684425

>>15684068
he is a typical california democrat

>> No.15684573

>>15684138
Ethanol is really stupid.
Putting aside air pollution…
Ethanol (and most agriculture for that matter) uses a stupid amount of water, which is a life critical resource.
Drilling for oil also uses lots of water.
Your average gas car consumes 10s of thousands of gallons of water in it’s total product life cycle mostly just from the drilling of oil.

This is why EVs are so preferable, essential even, for planets that have little water.
Even if Mars had oil deposits, you wouldn’t have the necessary supply chain/resources to drill for it.

>> No.15684622

>>15684154
>Another mine processing in Nevada, if the gov moves ahead with fucking approval of lithium mines.
Is that the one that's under the super-flat ground that NASA uses to calibrate shit in space?

>> No.15684741

>>15684047
He exceeded the weight limit for one citation

>> No.15684746

>>15684068
He lives in San Francisco

>> No.15684793

https://twitter.com/Robotbeat/status/1693812485868994996

>> No.15685060
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STOP THE COUNT