/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15679401
>So what advances are the richers hiding that people have found out about?
i unironically believe that they know how to easily treat all forms of cancer

>>15679401
Would rather live 60 years than survive 600.

>>15679401
The rich keep getting older and dying before your very eyes.
>n-n-not those rich, i mean the secret rich that no one knows about, i bet they'll never die
Extreme cope.

>>15679401
none, the elites are retards and we're fucked.
That's the entire problem really.
The "elites" are just another part of society, not le alien reptilians faggot.
if your society is shit, chances are your elites are retarded.
medical science and biology advanced through boundless, lawless experimentation with absolutely no regard for morality.
today's practices are worthless and will have us stagnating forever.
we ought to be making superhumans in artificial wombs and chimeric hybrids and mutated fucking frogs with three eyes in a cyborg body, not muh peer reviewed slow research.
And IF we start all that TODAY then MAYBE by 2100 we'll be better off than today.
other than that, you can fucking forget it.

>>15679618
>we just need le heckin' boundless, lawless experimentation with absolutely no regard for morality
>how else are we going to get to my dystopian technocratic sci-fi utopia?
The only people who agree with you and actually matter see YOU as the animal to be experimented on and then exterminated. lol

>>15679595
I would rather live 6000 years than survival 600.

>>15679401
Metformin and other stuff can extend the lifespan minimally but research from scientists like Belmonte are far more promising, succeeding at extending the lifespan of mices by 50%.

>>15679595
Faggot

>>15679595
You won't be saying that at 59

>>15679595
Nobody cares what NPCs want.

>>15679608
>The rich don't supress technologies so they can stay on top
Nigger, we literally have technology that can predict people's thoughts and all it's being used for is advertising penis pills.

>>15679639
Star Trek space communism wasn't possible until after the Eugenics Wars.

>>15679751
>we literally have technology that can predict people's thoughts
That technology is called brainwashing, retard, like the way they brainwashed you into thinking they can read thoughts. lol. Either way, you can see them getting older and dying.

>>15679764
You dumb bitch teenaperr.

glycine?

>>15679639
>nooo not my poor embryorinos
>nooo you can't modify people who consent to hail mary therapies because because le human genome!!1
>noo you see you're weak and le bad and le more bad people will get you
yeah no.
you have no fucking clue.
on the other hand you deserve to die so when you do die that's not a loss.
retarded faggot.

>>15679595
this is a so incredibly retarded perspective. why survive 60 when you can live for 6 years?

>>15679580
I used to believe this until netanyahu developed heart problems from the vaxx

They are probably just idiots taken in by their own scams

>>15679595
>hey we made a pill that will make you live 2 years longer
>I won't fall for your tricks demon! Immortality might seem nice for the first few years, but eventually you wish you could die. Crying out as the knife against your throat shatters before it could break your skin. Floating infinitely in the void to watch the universe slowly die is the worst hell imaginable

>>15679595
I want to live forever and know everything I can, observe as much as I can. What's the point of this life if you cannot know more?

>>15679401
It's the lack of heavy metals.

Anti aging is a fucking scam because the sorts of damage that aging really consists of can't be repaired through pills or potions.

1) accumulation of significant deposits of pollutants within the body. your body doesnt have an enzyme or mechanism for removing every single type of junk and gunk.

2) loss of the foetal blueprint. tissues start off with a very clean pattern early in life. this pattern is slowly eroded and its impossible to regain without surgery. for example the tendons and muscles are slowly pulled toward their center of tension, making them permanently shorter. organs microherniate and once the problem persists long enough it becomes permanent. blood veins branch too much and some veins become useless turbulence creators requiring more blood pressure to pump the same amount of blood. no solution except surgery. veins also narrow due to growth of surrounding tissue or turn varicose.

3) infiltration by wrong cell type. over a lifetime all sorts of cells end up in the wrong place either due to local migration, herniation, migrating thru the blood etc. your immune system cant fix this because it has no way of knowing that those cells shouldn't be there. so now you have some random liver cell in your lungs pumping out all the wrong substances and confusing its neighbours.

4) you accumulate a fuckload of viruses in critical tissues. your immune system doesnt want to nuke your lungs or heart so it plays a balancing act between removing the virus and sparing the tissue. e.g. a lot of recurrent pericarditis is caused by viral DNA left permanently within the heart tissue which confuses the immune system. this process is cumulative, as so many viruses hide permanently in your body

This is just scratching the surface. Fixing aging is not going to happen. The only option is having a class of people who are grown to age 10 and the rich get to implant their brains in their bodies, and then those brains are rejuvenated with stem cells and whatnot.

>>15679580
cancers man made, they knew how to cure it before it was released

they use viruses to modify your dna and start the cancer, just use another virus to undo the changes.

>>15680930
I don't know what you're sperging off about. I'm just reminding you that those in power who are on the same page with you ideologically see you for the worthless animal that you are and are scrambling to kill you. You're getting the short end of your own deal. That makes you a retard unworthy of life -- something your handlers have correctly diagnosed.

>>15681176
>accumulation of significant deposits of pollutants
This isn't what causes aging. It's a meme.

>loss of the foetal blueprint.
This is a good idea, but it's wrong. The germ line proves that ANY DNA damage can be overcome.

>infiltration by wrong cell type
I don't think this is that much of a concern.

The major causes of aging are zombie cells that can no longer multiply and start just shitting up the place and the lack of healthy stem cells to replace worn out tissues. We've known what aging is for decades. It's the gradual process of all your cells reaching Hayflick limit. But that's forbidden knowledge now, because it might actually result in progress.

>>15681214

Sure but if you just increase telomerase you're increasing risk of cancer right? And iirc a lot of tissues age but don't display significant telomere shortening.

Clearly whatever happens is quite systemic because most people are kind of fine until 60-65 and then suddenly deteriorate a lot.

If its simply DNA damage then I guess we will see what happens when the next generation of therapies comes out which CRISPRs a person's cells back to their baseline DNA. We will see this soon enough. I hope it works.

>>15679401
>eternal servitude to your overlords
No thank you. Call me when they make a life shortening pill.

>>15681305
>Sure but if you just increase telomerase you're increasing risk of cancer right?
Once again, that's the meme, but not the truth.

>>15681315
I will be killing them immortal or not. They are false gods.

>>15679665
>>15679675
>>15679678
>>15679748
>>15680941
>>15681050

Lifesuckers.

>>15681321
>I will be killing them immortal or not.
once we become death-proof we will have backups. there will be no sensible way to kill anyone anymore, like ever. you can "kill" one body, but they'll just spawn again.
once we become immortal killing does not mean that person is not around anymore. maybe for a short while until new body is assembled.
people having issues with immortality can just take the exit. or wait it out and kill yourself of old age. that will always be an option, nobody is forcing you. go ahead and die, we'll enjoy as much as this universe supports us.

>>15681650
>once we become death-proof we will have backups. there will be no sensible way to kill anyone anymore, like ever. you can "kill" one body, but they'll just spawn again.
>once we become immortal killing does not mean that person is not around anymore. maybe for a short while until new body is assembled.
>people having issues with immortality can just take the exit. or wait it out and kill yourself of old age. that will always be an option, nobody is forcing you. go ahead and die, we'll enjoy as much as this universe supports us.

>>15679595
>Npc take
When we can make it too 600 you won’t be old you’ll be 25 forever

>>15681668
take the next exit bro, if you don't like it. literally nobody is forcing you to get life extension/immortality. just fucking die of old age and mind your own shit life.
>>15681746
99.99% of all faggots acting edgy and shit now will absolutely do it, they won't even think about it, they will just do it no doubt.

>>15681753
>take the next exit bro, if you don't like it. literally nobody is forcing you to get life extension/immortality. just fucking die of old age and mind your own shit life.
Pic related thinks his handlers are going to make him immortal. LOL

>>15681755
they can't get immortality without offering it to everyone. they'll get eaten alive lol
it's not technically impossible to die. you can very easily die if you wipe your backups and wipe with current body that you have at that time. that goes for "them" as well.

>>15679401
It has, it’s why hospitals are collapsing
There are nursing homes with 100 yo patients and their 80 yo children

>>15681765
>i'm gonna be heckin' immortal!!
>t. pic related
Yes, your masters will add that functionality to your 47th mRNA booster. :^)

>>15679595
anti longevity shill niggers always act as if you cant choose when to die, as if one were forced to live long. fucking retard kike.
>implying you would feel like an old man at 100 if you could live to 600
>durrr but muh memories and urrrrrrrr familie and urrrr bad times.
death can not be experienced, you will always be alive. life is just ups and downs so why assume that it will just be permanent memory, why assume that the sum total of experience is more bad than good, especially when good and bad are subjective. get the fuck off my website and kill yourself if thats how you feel. promise me anon that even if longevity is enjoyable you will an hero at 60

>>15681787
>Yes, your masters will add that functionality to your 47th mRNA booster. :^)
fuck off to /pol/ faggot. stop assuming shit.

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>>15681845
I'm not assuming anything, I'm just reminding you that you won't even be able to get your NEETbux without getting your 9th booster. Have fun with that immortality carrot, moron.

>>15681822
Nice anime plot.

>>15679401
Meditation/relaxation leads to self-development and immortality.

>>15681806
>death can not be experienced, you will always be alive.
this is true. also you can't experience the time you are offline as it were. 1 day, 10 years, 1 million years = the same feeling of time passed = short nap. which implies that if somehow we figure out how to reverse entropy/backwards time travel or shit like that, you become possible to be reconstructed. if you ever get reconstructed in the future, you will close your eyes knowing you will die (say old age) and then you'll wake up like after a short nap, 1 gorillion years in the future when some advanced aliens land here and reconstruct you, somehow. if it's possible you will experience it next after dying. which kinda weirdly ties into the whole religion thing, which I usually have to draw parallels to, but I won't ignore it if it's there. not in the sense that they are literally right, in the sense that they may have partially understood what the fuck will happen.

>>15681908 me
>which I usually have to
which I usually hate to

>>15681908 me
>understood
yeah this one is also wrong/exaggerated. zealots don't understand shit, they believe it.

>>15679580
yes by avoiding antinutrients retard

>>15681908 me
I could also make the scientific argument that hell is also possible. yeah wait
so, if you WILL experience something after dying, there's all sorts of situations where you might end up in. high chances it's here, somehow.
now, what you want to make sure, is that that does not happen or isn't even possible, tho not sure how you'd guarantee that.
theoretically, like common sense, the best thing you can do is try to leave the world in a better place than you found it. that might help you when you get ressurected/reassembled whatever the fuck, technologically speaking. I mean purely statistically speaking, the only thing you can personally do is really just fucking try and leave the world behind in a better state than you found it. that is what you can realistically do to improve your chances that whatever happens after you die, here, has chances of working out instead of going to shit.
if you fuck everyone over and leave more chaos behind, that may very well bite you in the ass, and you may literally be technologically resurrected in some biblical type hell.
thinking of starting a technoreligion. who's in?

>>15681991 me
and I'm not even joking. take the following scenario. some religious fanatics hold on tight during the next major tech evolution, and in few hundreds of years/thousands, they still have political control, and they manage to control the tech to such degree, that if they really are fanatical about it, they might get the fucking technological chance of fucking resurecting anyone that has ever lived, have access to all of their experiences, and they decide to fucking punish you for everything they consider you fucked up with. apart from the whole reversing entropy bit the rest is kinda possible. if the future technologically enhanced religious zealots can summon you at any point in the future, you might have already fucked yourself. jussain

>>15681650
>backups
Lol. What a typical NPC worldview. Any NPC society is already on the permanent edge of collapse. They can't survive active war of extermination focused against them.

Every third post:

>BUT THE RICH WON'T LET YOU!!!!

Kind of missing the point of the thread, aren't we, little blue board NPCs?