/sci/ - Science & Math

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Lunar mission update (Russia):
>Luna-25 had a technical glitch and didn't do an orbital change like it was supposed to prior to landing

India mission:
>Chandrayaan-3 lander and propulsion module
>separation is 113km x 157km on August 19

Now the lander has to do part of the job that was supposedly done by the propulsion module.

India mission:
>Chandrayaan-3 lander and propulsion module separated at a higher orbit than expected
>The actual orbit after separation is 113km x 157km on August 19. Now the lander has to do part of the job that was supposedly done by the propulsion module.

Rusbros...
I thought we have had the best engineers...

>>15678492
>ceased to exist as a result of a collision with the lunar surface
lol slap that on my tombstone

>crashes violently

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

All these low thrust probes that take weeks to get to the moon and have tiny error margins are shit.

>>15678542
After first de-boost was supposed to be 100 x 30 km? This is so confusing.

The Lander Module of India’s third lunar mission Chandrayaan-3 has completed its second and final deebost in the early hours of August 20.

The Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) performed the second and final deebost of the Lander Module to reduce the Lander Module to 25 km x 134 km.

ISRO Chairman Somanath had said that if the landing does not take place as planned on August 23, then ISRO will wait for another month to make a landing attempt in September

>>15678530
Better one
https://youtu.be/Ag1o3koTLWM

>>15678590
Indian space fans would disagree with you. It's not a race. It's about technology verification and science.

Moona is hard.

>>15678609
It's not a race sir just pure coincidence sir. Just trying to do the needful and land in the designed lunar crater

Crashnik bros?
Did we deorbit too much?

Such are the consequences of low rate of building and loss of institutional knowledge.

What is he thinking right now?

>>15678550
Most likely problem with software

why cant anyone into space anymore :(

>>15678656
IT guys are given exemption from the draft and THIS is how they repay their motherland? Gulags must reopen.

>>15678655
That's so sad that he died in 59. Probably being in Gulag for 6 years contributed to it. Fuck Stalin.

Also he almost died from scurvy in Kolyma. So that's a miracle he even lived to see start of space travel

>>15678660
There's something in the water

I can't close the lunar lander poll so I'll consider this the final result. 19 of you guessed wrong lmao

>>15678534
I love how dictatorial regimes cope with failure

>>15678689
>I love how dictatorial regimes cope with failure
Indeed. Western cope is pure comedy gold.

>>15678604
REEEE

>>15678689
Russian engineers will be downing a few bottles of vodka and reminiscing the good old days of the Soviet Union tonight.

>>15678588

the moon man has not been kind to probes lately

>>15678655

thinking why the fuck russian dirty boots are stepping on Ukrainian soil, his homeland, the chief rocket engineer for russians was a Ukrainian, the irony

Okay be serious now, on a scale of 1-100, 100 being the amount of reasonable time since humans started making real progress towards space travel.

How close are we, on that scale, to handing over the process for privatizing the knowledge capable for personal, even commercial spaceflight services?

>>15678682
Luna 25 crashed .mission failed . All white larpers can seeth and cope.

>>15678730
Funny how Korolev, Chelomei, Glushko, who would be fundamentally associated with Russian rocketry were Ukrainians by soil or by blood, while Yangel, associated with Ukrainian rocketry, was a pure Russian

Luna was marginal for even a Moon landing. 31 kg payload? Sad.

Meanwhile in Canada....

>>15678773
>credit: NASA

can't even launch their own lunar orbiter

>>15678773
kek savage

>>15678769
That graphic is Indian nationalist propaganda. Luna weighted 1600 kg

>>15678773
kek

>>15678776
We don't even have a single seismometer on moon that could have detected Luna crash. That's what we achieved as humanity

I wonder what went wrong. Maybe 700$ a month Engineer salary might have to do something with it

So uhhh... plow on ahead or give up?

>>15678526
Why are the US and China the only countries that have been able to soft-land on the Moon *and* Mars *and* maintain communication with the lander/rover for more than a few hours?

>>15678778
Payload 30 kg. In tiny little bits.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luna_25

>>15678526
Too bad. Next up is India, lets go boys.

Mathematician calculating manoeuvres living on 900$ per month

>>15678798
Honestly the Soviets probably could have eventually managed it if they hadn’t had their Venera diversion

>>15678794
Well they have demonstrated their ability to reach low lunar orbit haven’t they?

>>15678806
But of course there are people that get more money than engineers and mathematicians there.
"Pricing manager"

It must have been that dahm Yuri. He probably mixed up the rockets that where supposed to go to Ukrain and the ones for the moon.

>>15678550
Braindrain is a real problem in russia, the entire 2 day special operation only made it worse.

>>15678689
Nha comrad, we where supposed to do that.
There are biolabs on the moon don't you know?

> ACK-KKK!

>>15678824
Lack of any achievements is the problem. They don't even pay you good. But imagine you love space. Mars-96 (1996) failure, Phobos-Grunt (2011) failure, Luna-25 (2023) failure

That's all there were no other launches outside of Earth's orbit

>>15678849
Does L2 count? Spektr-RG was successful

Why didn't Roscosmos opt for a failure based design (FBD)?

>the space agency ISRO opted for a failure-based design in Chandrayaan-3, focused on what all can fail and how to protect it and ensure a successful landing.
>"We looked at very many failures – sensor failure, engine failure, algorithm failure, calculation failure. So, whatever the failure we want it to land at the required speed and rate.

>>15678773
>>15678776
Quick question, are you guys really retarded enough as to mock that they're using a NASA image but not realize that it's not of the Moon's surface and instead it's of a crater in Arizona?

>>15678865
>Spektr-RG

> In June, the head of Roscosmos threatened to unilaterally seize control of the German telescope, citing German officials' "pro-fascist views".

>>15678883
We got it. Now hush.

>>15678891
doubtful

>>15678542
Yeah thinking they won't land this one either

Interesting, in the late 60s negociations within ELDO for Europa III rocket, U always assumed the french (which afternoon the British left, had the most important voice) always favoured the Europa IIIB option (French-made S1 that is basically a smaller version of Ariane’s, with S2 being propelled by a staged combustion hydrolox engines), but apparently they initially prefered Europa IIIA (S1 is blue streak, S2 is a smaller hydrolox stage powered by a doubled Open cycle HM7) because they thought they could get it to fly early enough to launch Symphonie Comsat on it (~1976 at the latest)

In face of British not wanting to extend Blur steak delivery beyond 1976 and Delays Europa IIIB was chosen, then becoming L3S and then Ariane

Interesting, in the late 60s negociations within ELDO for Europa III rocket, I always assumed the french (which after the British left, had the most important voice) always favoured the Europa IIIB option (French-made S1 that is basically a smaller version of Ariane’s, with S2 being propelled by a staged combustion hydrolox engines), but apparently they initially prefered Europa IIIA (S1 is blue streak, S2 is a smaller hydrolox stage powered by a doubled Open cycle HM7) because they thought they could get it to fly early enough to launch Symphonie Comsat on it (~1976 at the latest)

In face of British not wanting to extend Blue steak delivery beyond 1976 and Delays Europa IIIB was chosen, then becoming L3S and then Ariane

Imagine we build Lunar city. And then some retard country crashes into it with 1 mile per second speed

>>15678912
No problem because any non retard would have built the vast majority of Lunar City underground

I know nothing about the history of European spaceflight and the origins of Ariane. Can anyone explain/anyone got resources that I can go down the rabbit hole?

>>15678609
You have to get the regular stuff right before you can redeem verification no the hard stuff. Getting the boosts between orbits right is kerbal babby tier shit.

>>15678492
>>15678542
Why is adjusting orbits suddenly so hard?

>>15678697

>>15678947
this fucking image kek

>>15678596
It's 134km × 25km instead 100km × 30km. Should be ok innit?

>>15678773

>>15678596
Correcting that will take less than 60 m/s of dV, and probably just 30 m/s. It is not too much, considering the lander has to brake from about 1 km/s to zero.

I hope the indians have added just a little spare fuel.

>>15678697
Russian engineers can't afford smirnoff, they will be consuming locally distilled "without analogs" superior methanol product tonigh

>>15678962
Kek.

>>15678948
Because Luna-25 never existed in the first place

>You are stealing money since 2014
>Finally in 2023 government starts asking where are all the money and why you haven't launched anything yet.
>You have some Soyuz rocket that was built in Soviet Union. Than you build some fake Luna-25 mockup to put it on top
>Soviet rockets created in 1950s probably won't fail launch so you just launch your mockup randomly somewhere from Earth orbit.
>You take photos from 1960s archives. Upscale them and add colours, photoshop Russian flag. Pretend like you almost achieved success
>After failure you tell government "Look how close we were. Luna-26 will for sure be a success"
>Continue to steal money

>>15678948
> It takes a dv of 19 m/s to transfer from a circular, 100km altitude orbit around the Moon to a slightly elliptical 100x16 km one, which is the advertised pre-landing orbit. However, an overburn by only 4 m/s will take you to a 100x0 km orbit instead, causing you to crash.

Which is about 2 seconds of excess burn for Luna 25. Have to hit your mark.

>>15678974
Is there any official info on the exact maneuver that went wrong?
>4 m/s
This is why getting into an elliptical orbit is not really worth it, vs just descending from low circular orbit.

I liked these guys better as the USSR

>>15678926
Online:
John Krigge ESA’s book (available as pdf)
A vertical empire (easily found)
Capcomespace (the french online source)
Nospremieresannees.fr (National french) and Aventuredesfuseeeuropa (Europa)

If you can find
Krige, Fifty years of european cooperation in space
Brian Harvey, europa’s space program
Leitenberger Europäische Trägerraketen
Niklas Reinke The history of German space policy
P. Varnoteaux L’aventure spatiale française
Herve Moulin: La construction d’une politique spatiale en France
Du V2 a veronique (Huwart), De veronique a Ariane (De Jongh)
A lot of Air&cosmos articles as well as IAC papers

>>15678793
Top kek

>>15678967
In russia this is entirely possible

>>15678994
>TFW Russian ROCKET ENGINEERS earn less than German minimum wage street cleaners
Holy kek the absolute state

So, it's over,?

>>15678974
>A fart is the only thing separating you from orbiting peacefully in space, to total dealth
Makes me respect rocketry more desu

>>15679011
Yeah and almost 2 times less than sales manager in the same company

>>15679020
LLO is absurdly dangerous because it's so small and gravitationally lumpy.

>>15679015
Yeah it's over.

>wake up for daily gm sirs
>exciting astronomical instruments are gravitationally obliterated from existence
Fucking damn it, they could land on Venus in the past but not the moon today.
My advanced cope: fuck the moon anyways, the barren piece of shit.

>Chandrayaan-3 is set to land on the moon on August 23, 2023, around 18:04 Hrs. IST.

>Thanks for the wishes and positivity!

>Let’s continue experiencing the journey together as the action unfolds LIVE at:
>ISRO Website https://isro.gov.in
>YouTube: https://youtube.com/watch?v=DLA_64yz8Ss
and DD National TV
from 17:27 Hrs. IST on Aug 23, 2023.

Why are they so cocky bros? I thought even their de-orbiting got fucked up

>>15679065
Phone posting is difficult

I wonder why did it crash...

>>15679065
>I thought even their de-orbiting got fucked up
qrd?

>>15679078
Unbalanced load from too many space blankets

>>15678967
I like this story so I’m going to assume its true

why's it so hard to land on the moon? we've had a dozen or so tries in recent years but they've all crashed. do we lunar landing as a service or someshit?

>>15679078
Probably spin mode activated by mistake

>>15679099
Lunar polar landings are really hard.

>>15679099
Only important nation hasn't sent a lander in a long time. Only USA knows how to land things

>>15678609
___ in ___

>>15679113
Such bullshit. Afghans landed 2 crafts in the world trade centre in 2001.

>>15678609
I mean, even if it was a race, the Russians are out of it now.

is there a render of how starbase will look after they finish tearing down the old bays and building the new ones?

>>15679125
nice try Roscosmos

>>15679125
In the ancient past, CSI niggerbase showed official spacex renders for a final version of starbase with starfactory and a few megabays but I don't know where he got them.
You best bet is looking at promotional material.

>>15679079
See
>>15678542

USSR never actually invented anything. They just had commie symphathyzers in every secret US project. They stole nuclear weapons and stole space rockets

>>15679091
>>15679104
outdated software? I hear washing machine manufacturers stopped software updates in russia

>>15679078
Unironic question: could a very well funded and talented person/government hack a spacecraft?

>>15678794
>2027
>Russia
anon...

>>15679160
Absolutely

>>15679143
You are underselling how much help the USSR got from the outside, the reality is way worse. I won't go into it because offtopic, but there are books by military lecturers on every known piece of stolen or gifted technology that was provided to the soviets on a gold platter. I don't know about rocket engineering though, I think they did have a few novel ideas in that department.

>>15679172
Like the perfidious Anglos selling them state of the art jet engines.

>>15679116
They landed them the same way Russians just did

Theory: The Space Shuttle was designed to be the ultimate Soviet psyop/bait to get them to build (read: waste their time) making a copy which ultimately bankrupted the country and collapsed it.

>>15678526
https://spacenews.com/luna-25-crashes-into-moon-after-orbit-maneuver/

why is it so difficult to land on the moon?

>>15679211
Moon atmosphere too thick :( needs more heat shield tiles

>>15679183
Shit theory since soviets made a superior copy (capable of unmanned operations decades before X-37) and its cost was insignificant compared to STS. Chernobyl was what bankrupted soviet union.

>>15679172
Didn't they also get some of those nazi rocket scientists (or their research materials) after ww2?

Why can't Firefly get its cadence up?

>>15679211
Allah willed it.
Time for this to happen to soyuz flights.

>I wake up
>another lunar lander crashes

>>15679244
If I had to guess I'd say that their partnership with Northrop took away any urgency to succeed at the smaller end of the launch market. They don't need to aggressively recruit customers when they could make more money more consistently working on the Antares 300. There are a few more Alpha launches on the manifest but they look more penciled in than anything solid. We'll just have to see if/when those ever happen.

>>15679250
It crashed more than 12 hours ago. Did you sleep that long, anon?

>>15679257
It actually crashed more than 24 hours ago. But there is nothing to confirm it on Moon. So they just assume it crashed because there is no signal and signal was lost during maneuver

>>15679237
Yes, a lot of both of what you describe. No guarantees, but I'll try to find a book I found which described the research papers, research teams (of captured Germans), captured facilities in soviet territory, and names of incredible german engineers that they hauled into OKBs. In particular I remember finding this when I was autistically confirming my suspicions wherein their other aerospace projects, like high altitude interceptors, were also connected to captured scientists.

>>15678682
neitherbros, we still have a chance

>>15678689
oligarchies (west) and dictatorships (east) are both retarded

New Russian copium just arrived

>>15678682
I voted for only Luna 25 being successful. Cyka blyat mother bitch. I wonder what Rogozin is thinking right now, or if he even cares

LMAO why is Russia so shit at everything?

can people get pregnant in zero gravity

>>15679284
Remains to be seen

>>15679078
I guess it just wanted to throost

>>15679284
No way they haven't tested. Why the fuck you need women in space otherwise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAy5GAidpkU

>>15679279
He still seething at Shoigu and Gerasimov for not sending him enough ammunition.

>>15678542
Hit the spacebar too early

it seems to me that 99% of recent rocket and probe failures are due to software

I hate Russia so much. I hope Astrobotic and intuitive machines landers are successful just to stick it in their faces I hope the Russian space station never gets off the ground, I hope that Russia never gets to build a lunar capable super heavy launch vehicle

>280,000,000 people
>no rockets

why

>>15679211
The two main leading causes of failure are programming (Luna-25, Hakuto-R) and stuck valves (Beresheet)
OMOTENASHI died before launch due to poor mission planning decisions and Chandrayaan-2's failure mode was not publicly discussed

you are laughing but actually, putin's plan is to destroy the moon and declare victory. this was just the first test. they will send a bigger ship next. ukraine is doomed. dr. evil is so jealous.

When will Musk comment on this epic fail? Probably never since he is pro-Russia? Is he pandering to the evangelicals who support Putin?

Russia should've done da loop

>>15679387
Musk commented on the second LM-5 launch which was a failure

>>15679385
That's actually cool extension of MAD doctrine. Destroying moon or moving it from an orbit. But I don't think anyone is capable to do that yet. But that will assure mutual destruction.

>>15679250
The third lander will also be axed by luna-chan in spite of its protective cow dung layer.

>>15679428
Park a large enough gravel asteroid around a planet and threaten to strike it with a retrograde impactor to scatter it into a debris cloud if the planet starts acting up. No more space for you, rebels.

>>15679414
they were taking a shortcut
Gradatim Ferociter!

>>15679439
That's a cool idea for a time when we will have humans on multiple planets

Chances Chandraayan crashes too?

>>15679306
>hot staging like N1
What happened to simpler ullage separators?
Is Elon hellbent on repeating history?

>>15679445
>simpler
?

>>15679365
>Chandrayaan-2's failure mode was not publicly discussed
it has, last week.

>>15679450
what was it

>>15679449
They are small SRBs.

>>15678730
His homeland was the soviet union. If anything he would be asking why are his brothers killing each other all because a western power demands it

>>15679439
Just launch satelites to retrogade

>>15679451
org.sun.NullPointerException

>>15679451
The engines throosted too much, and the (likely Java) software tried to correct the trajectory, but the RCSs couldn't turn the craft quickly enough and they pointed the thing to the ground while throosting.

>>15679439
You could just slow it down with a big parachute or blanket

>>15679451
Hullo even made a video about it
>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2ngVl6iO94c

>>15679474
Unironically this

>>15678526
so when are ziggers going to face reality and stop the space larp? Roscosmos is a dead end already after it lost the commercial market. Luna 25 is the perfect grave stone

>>15679439
russians can't even build toilets, the toilets they have now were either build in soviet union by slave labor or looted from Ukraine. The old toilets are failing and new stolen toilets from Ukraine are not enough. India has launched successful lunar probe and their sanitation is improving, India is rising while russia is getting worse every day.

>>15679455
it is a steel ring with holes in it

>>15679344
>due to software
I'd argue that its pretty 50/50 between software and hardware.
Granted, as with Luna-25, the communication with the lander interrupted and it shit itself. That could have been software, hardware, or simply some interference that broke the comm.
It does seem that getting to the moon is usually a failure in software, but actually landing is commonly hardware failure, such as an engine RUD.

That being said, software is a horrid problem these days because there are so many languages, compatibility layers, varying hardware, ect... A lot of 'programmers' that code these things are writing in high level languages that go through so many layers and libraries of nonsense just to do simple tasks. That leaves a massive disconnect between the programmers and the actual function of the hardware system.

Luna-25 also suffered from very poor redundancy and the Ruskies were basically playing Russian roulette with the lander, as seeing that so many functions of the lander were "it works or it fails" with little in the way of backup systems to correct errors

>>15679350
mutt hands typed this post

>>15679505
>India has launched successful lunar probe
But can they land it?

Why are you cheering for a white country to fail?

>>15679534
Which one of these is supposed to be white?

Did Musk ever explain his 10% payload increase from hotstaging?
The only way I can see this being possible is if they are able to significantly reduce the structural margin from reduced tortional load.

>>15679534
Nice Chechens, I suppose they are literally Caucasians.

>>15679550
I'm guessing it's 10% over wasting 30 seconds and a bunch of fuel spinning around

>>15678947
what picture is this referencing?

>>15678811
A bit too low, I must add.

>>15679558

>>15679558
Remains of a dead cosmonaut.

>>15679558

>>15679571
holy kek

>>15679579
:(

>>15678566
LVM3 is actually a pretty good launch vehicle but yeah all their other rockets are full retard.

>>15679558
cosmonaut who knew he was going to die and told the party to give him an open casket funeral

>>15679591
Also he was Gagarin's best friend and Gagarin was a likely candidate for the backup had he refused.

>>15679579
Successful continuation of the dog-killing programme. Everything is normal!

>>15679588
The worst part about it is that India can't seem to get good evocative names for their rockets. LVM3 is better than GSLV mk. III, but they should be able to do so much better than that. In all other respects it's just a mini Titan-Centaur which is pretty cool to see still flying.

>>15679225
*chornobol

>>15679596
There is an Indian company working on a rocket called the Razor Crest

;_;

>>15679596
no they they are doing fine and slowly learning from their mistakes, when was the last time they named any of their space vehicles SCAT ?
India is on the rise!

>>15679099
polar landing vs equatorial

>>15679605
Russia barely has a present, and they have no future in sight.
And their glorious past is slowly fading away into irrelevancy. It was fun while it lasted

>>15679550
The original flip maneuver would spend a lot of time not thrusting. Never stop thrusting.

Anyways time for China to step up. I’d fucking prefer if US partners beefed up their security across the board (DoD literally sent out a memo to BO and SX last week warning of a high likelihood of infiltration) and maybe this will be the chance for china to reap whatever talent might be left in russia

>>15679359
People are not fungible. SEAmonkeys are stupid.

>>15679309
That wasn't rogozin

When are we going to perfect teleportation? Even if it’s just line-of-sight, you could build an orbital factory or a moonbase really quickly and relatively cheap

>>15679624
Soyuz-5 launched from Wenchang

>>15679624
From Germany to USSR to China, the spirit of manned rocketry jumps to a new host. But where did the flame originate, the Germans?

>>15679624
China doesn't want or need anything Russian. The last time they might have was back in 2015 when they tried to buy the production tech from the RD-180. China's domestic engine talent has come a long way since then so I don't think Beijing would have any interest in that deal now.

>>15679643
China wants to cuck Russia out of space, just look at what they did with the Chinese space station.

>>15679593
iirc the cosmonauts knew that the mission was doomed and Gagarin was slated to go on that mission, but Komarov volunteered to go instead knowing it would kill Gagarin. Or I might've gone full schizo and just made all of this up.

>>15679644
Hard to say exactly. I’d point to individual autists like Tsiolkovsky (russian), Robert Esnault-Pelterie (french), Goddard (american), Hermann Noordung, Oberth, and von Braun (austrian-hungarian-german if you accept that these can be lumped together). There are a few others I am forgetting but basically it was a spark of inspiration from people who loved science fiction and first started running the mathematical hypotheticals and building R&D hardware from scratch

>>15679657
Noordung is mega based

>>15679657
Don't forget Elon.

>>15679672
Well we’re talking about the “original spark,” but yeah I’d throw elon into the master list of most important figures overall, along with Korolev and Glushko who I also forgot

>>15679644
Vedic India
http://epizodyspace.ru/bibl/inostr-yazyki/iaa/1995/Pinotti_Indo-Aryan-Traditions_and_the_History_of_Astronautics.pdf

Is space based solar a meme?

>>15679698
It's code for orbiting death ray

>>15679689
A Titan IIIE also launched Viking 1 two years earlier. Beautiful rocket! Expensive as all fuck though kek

>>15679603
>search "razor crest rocket"
>it's from nu star wars
Yeah this ain't flying
I feel like India may have one or two private small launchers that may fly?

>>15679686
I'd argue making reuse work without intrusive after flight engine overhauls qualifies as an original. Now people laugh at you if you propose expendable rockets as anything but prototypes for developing reuse or as munitions.

>>15679698
For use in space? No. For beaming to a planet's surface? Yes.

>>15679712
Fair enough but shuttle also did this, don’t forget

>>15679387
evangelicals dont like putin because he supports iran

>>15679603
>4 tons for landing
seems sussy

>>15679718
>without intrusive after flight engine overhauls
The bit of the Shuttle that was reusable was dry mass and OMS.

>>15679244
Firefly Aerospace
>oh god, oh god, we’re all going to die

>>15679723
>name the engine Reaver
>it chimps out and kills itself for no reason
>Astra licenses it and renames it Chiron
>its development process kills their whole company
cursed engine

>>15679722
Shuttle once turned around in only 54 days which is pretty fucking quick. Idk if they used the same SRBs but it was the same orbiter and engines. And yeah it was a new orange tank for sure but that’s no different than SX needed a new second stage from scratch. I think people forget just how quickly NASA got reusability down for STS towards the end of the program.
Yeah maybe not ever as quick as originally promised at the beginning of the program, but as far as I know SeX has yet to beat this shuttle turnaround time yet

>>15679244
Because Markusic isn't CEO anymore.
He had the spark, whoever's leading it now probably doesn't

>>15679731
SpaceX beat that record. Then beat its record multiple times.
Current record is 21 days.

>>15679739
For the same booster? Holy shit

Why dont they just put a lot of inflatable cushions on the rover and yeet it on the moon?
Moon's gravity is supposed to be much lower than Earth right, its an even lower chance of failure

>>15679750
It worked on Mars

>>15679745
Yup B1062 April 8 2022 Ax-1 April 29 Starlink 4-16

Makes the apollo landings over 50 years ago all the more impressive

>>15679759
There’s a reason almost every astronaut on the program begged for a manual flight option lol

>>15679750
Luna 25 impacted at essentially orbital velocity.
The problem was not that you needed better shock absorption.

>>15679759
apollo only worked because there were astronauts there to fix stuff. 11 had a computer caused wiggle during lunar landing that may or may not have been a problem, and a short with the assent motor that would have precluded return if there weren't astronauts there to trip the circuit breaker back. maybe others I don't know of.

>>15679775
And if 13 was entirely computer controlled the astronauts would've been fucked

>>15679763
>>15679775
So thankfully it looks like the US will have multiple little dinky landers before uncrewed SS/Blue Moon even attempt a landing. But if those little US landers fail I’m going to feel really nervous about the new HLS landers, man

The moon is CGI.

>>15679787
It's not the same thing. SpaceX has a huge amount of experience with fully autonomous landing in a dynamic environment far more difficult to navigate than the moon.
They also have the resources and infrastructure to do exhaustive testing and verification.

>>15679789
yes, the moon is creating great irritation

>>15679359
Holy shit when did Poland get so big?

>>15679793
Counterpoint, they’ve never landed on another body besides earth even if it’s “easier” in theory. Also F9 crashed a ton before training its shared computer up enough to get reliable landings. Even if the first HLS landing goes smoothly that still doesn’t exclude things that could go wrong. HLS won’t have manual. Although yes they have one of the best software teams in the world so as long as they have super, SUPER solid abort coding with no oversights whatsoever then it could be okay even with a worst case scenario.

>>15679801
counter-counterpoint, spacex is just built different

>>15679801
>HLS won’t have manual
you're delusional. they'll have manual landing procedures and manual abort of course.

>>15679766
sooo, they could deploy some back thrusters or parachutes

>>15679821
parachutes are of dubious effect on the moon.

>>15679808
>>15679820
True. Sorry bros I’m just on-edge because everything keeps fucking failing. And the US hasn’t attempted a landing here in a long time. I guess I can take comfort in the fact that China, the only ones with any ounce of success, are probably running lines of stolen US code haha. And yeah I would trust SX with my life. I wouldn’t want to be in the BO lander though

>>15679825
what about thrusting air into the parachutes?

>>15679834
braaaaap

>>15679640

>>15679839
stop with that forced meme

They're removing the midbay. SpaceX is truly finished.

CSI btfoing the fuck out of CSS lmao

dude thinks he is anywhere on the same league, demanding debates and shit lmao, get fucked learn your place

ASCEND

>>15678693
russia is not western though.

new raptors look amazing

>>15679900
It's already less of a wiring hairball than the SSME was.

>>15679907
indeed

>>15679890
He may be referring to the US, if I understood his joke correctly.

Post more Krystal to scare away the vatniks.

>>15679900
v3?

>First to successfully land on the lunar South Pole
i hate minor achievements like this. who cares if you're the first to land on the orange rock in the white crater on a tuesday before lunch. cuz that's what's coming next if we keep focusing on being "first" for everything.

>>15679900
>>15679906
looks like a solid high end piece of engineering, like a race car or gpu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZJv_YGpjeI

Pretty good CNBC video on in space manufacturing

>>15679946
firsts in space are to be celebrated

>>15679949
Haven't seen this yet (am seeing it now) but haven't seen it either

>>15679950
for significant things sure

>>15679949
>in space manufacturing
>Is actually a video about a bunch of space guys taking the money of a bunch of rich pharma assholes looking to profit on expensive drugs people already can't afford

I hope at least something resembling actual manufacturing comes out of this

>>15679949
this is such a cope

>>15678550
Had, yes.

>>15679579
you drew that?

>>15679579
It looks like it's ready for a facial.

>>15679759
>>15679763
Reminder that John Young was chad enough to contemplate landing by Earthlight
>Young told Eppler that, in his opinion, landing a spacecraft equivalent to the Apollo LM would be possible at a site lit only by Earth. Landing in Earthlight at a prepared site – that is, one with flashing strobes and electronic landing aids – would be easier than landing a helicopter at night, Young added.
https://web.archive.org/web/20150506082236/https://www.wired.com/2014/06/high-noon-on-the-moon-1991/

>>15679960
its a first step, minimum viable product
its really tiresome to hear retards whining about rich people having access to new technology first, without the early adopters there would be no late adopters
you should be glad there are people willing to pay for stutf like space tourism, early electric cars and so on
and in this case, the drugs might actually make the administration of them cheaper if I understand it correctly, the point is to control the manufacturing process (crystallization) better so that the manufacture drug is of a more homogenous quality and thus can be self-admistered instead of having to go to the hospital
this should make treatment cheaper, not more expensive
and why drugs? because it can be very valuable per kg compared to pretty much everythign else, the doses can be milligrams or even less, so you could make millions of doses of a drug with one capsule in principle

>>15679974
Yeah. I was going to add an chandrayaan flying above or something but gave up. She was supposed to look dead but instead she turned out looking like she’s taking it doggy style lmao

>>15679979
Pointless and fake.
Drugs are not meant to be cheap, the absolute majority of widely used drugs are already cheap to make while their rrp is high, pharma companies spending millions or even billions on microgravity effect on drugs is the most retarded thing ever, because most drugs are already pretty well understood, it's probably a lie or just dumb pr speak for a shitty yt marketing video

>>15679920
>implying they would feel scared

>>15679979
you've fallen into the trap of giving an honest reply to a bad actor. he is either a leftist or pretending to be a leftist espousing the opinion that healthcare should be free ergo for some reason drugs that are expensive to produce should not exist.

>>15679872
I hope css is still around for moon and mars operations just for the surreal feeling of that much salt being possible

>>15680006
When the people supporting your business are McKinsey and Merck you should probably re-evaluate the deal you're selling your soul for

>>15679981
Speaking of that, I must fulfill my promise 15676748

>>15680015
>>15676748

>>15680015
>>15680021
Oh no please anon don’t. She deserved a better fate

>>15679994
no, gravity affects the crystallization and this can be exploited for drug manufacturing
varda wants to manufacture stuff in space generally and this one was just the easiest one they could come up with
but they have multiple other funding sources too, such as a nasa contract to develop some novel heat shield material or something and contracts from the military for supersonic research or whatever
it is not about drugs, or heat shields, or supersonics, but the point is to make money so the company stays alive
you think musk gives a shit about internet satellites? they did it so starship would have something to launch and simultaneously to get more funding, it wasn't some easy way to get money and all other attempts of something similar had failed
the goal is still mars, starlink is an instrumental goal
the same is for varda, they want to manufacture stuff in space in general, not drugs

>>15680006
maybe, but that doesn't really matter
when you argue with people on the internet its never really about trying to change the mind of the person you are arguing with but the lurkers (and perhaps just get interesting info you didn't have from other people)

>>15680015
draw luna 25 getting demolished by the moon

>>15680026
but just look how eager she is for it

>>15678542
Will /sfg/ be watching Chandrayaan-3 make history on Aug 23?

>>15680021
Make sure your depiction of her portrays her correct age. She was roughly 12 years old.

>>15680045
I'll need to wake up early to take a bath in that day so yeah

>>15680057
Brat just needed gravitational correction

>>15679387
He's too busy stroking his own ego to start shitposting against Russians.

>>15679387
no musky boy is simping for china these days. he has no significant assets tied up with the asiatic borderland known as russia. as opposed to the tesla factories in china

reminder one of the reason for the twitter purchase was his admiration for WeChat in china, wanting to convert xitter into the western analogue

>>15680074
too busy having a meltdown*

>>15679387
This is the sort of useful idiot who was told to believe Elon was sabotaging Ukraine's war effort.

>>15680086
>wumao trying to give China credit for Elon's desire to make "X the everything app"

Invest 91L on track to Boker Chica. But only as a weak tropical storm at most.

>>15680090
Even rockets need rain to grow

>>15680090
Uhmm, it's actually called Kopernik Shores (formerly Kennedy Shores).

>>15680090
Does the storm have the appropriate water permits for dumping freshwater (polluted with god knows what from the Gulf) on a saltwater wetlands Wildlife Refuge?

>>15680087
>having a meltdown
he's the only one on the site not currently melting down

>>15679505
>toilets
>Russia bad nonsense
Reddit please leave

China launched a thing. We don't know all that much about the thing.

>>15680112
he is absolutely having an autistic melty over no one left or right agreeing with his utter retarded remove block decision

>>15678550
Russian space tech unironically died with Korolyov. They've been milking the same tech from the 60s/70s with barely any improvement since. The electronics used to modernize Soyuz is Western.

>>15680117
>his utter retarded remove block decision
it's a pretty sensible move. i just looked at his twitter i see no melty. i think you might be seething

>>15680117
yes both the left and right want their echo chambers, but you can achieve the same with mute or if you want to stop other people talking with that person, only let your followers reply
blocking should have never been a thing in the first place, I haven't seen good arguments for it

>>15679731
>shuttle copium the post

>>15680130
Read everything for context

>>15680121
why do you think it is sensible? i don't give a shit but i can imagine the nightmare for the popular accounts being invaded by the bots. of course if you ask me fuck those grifters but surely musk doesn't want them to suffer? i don't get it.

>>15680117
You need to go outside dude holy shit

>>15680117
>he is absolutely having an autistic melty

When your EDS is so bad you literally hallucinate Elon saying things.

>>15680138
use mute retard

>>15680147
>just repeating what elon says

use your own thoughts for once

>>15680148
what is your counterargument?
mute for people whose posts you don't want to see, restricted posts if you want to have an echochamber

>>15680155
muted people can still post on your posts

>>15680158
So?

>>15680158
so what? blocked people can see your posts too, they just need to use another account or go incognito or whatever
blocking as a thing is retarded

>>15679116
Those were Saudis that did that.

>>15679994
The seizure meds I use cost $3000 per month before insurance. It was the only one that seemed to work so I had to use it. While most drugs are cheap there are still niche cases that are very profitable. There is still plenty of potential out there for miracle drugs out there to solve problems we still have Alzheimer's and Dementia being a few examples.
But this reply is probably wasted on a retard

>>15680167
>The seizure meds I use cost $3000 per month before insurance
Either because you're getting scammed or because demand is super low.
There has never been in the history of humanity a chemical we know how to synthesize but wasn't amenable to mass production.
Hell even in the quantities of medication, enriched plutonium was made cheap.

Just think of the possibilities: manufacture it in orbit, re-enter and land where you want to deliver

>>15680089
nope just repeating the dudes own (rambling) statements on the subject matter. He has been a xigger simp for a years now and repeatedly commented on how much he likes the idea behind WeChat

>>15678766
They're not fundamentally distant peoples. If the Russians weren't the Russians, Ukraine would have never left in 91 and they'd still be close if they hadn't invaded Crimea.

>>15679615
Isn’t that the case for literally every western nation?

Only nation that seems to be getting stronger than ever with no sign of collapse is China.

>>15680182
Implessive.

>>15680182
>Only nation that seems to be getting stronger than ever with no sign of collapse is China.
HAHAHAHAHAH

HOWS YOUR REAL ESTATE DOING

>>15680188
any day now

>>15680178
going back historically they are close tribes but fundamentally have different core roots. Ukraines direct ancestors are the kievan rus with all of that it entails. Following that half of ukraine for the longest time was influenced by the polish-lithuanian kingdom with a degree of westernization.

Russia is formed from Muscovia which was a fishing village in the haydays of kievan rus and only rose to prominence with the mongol invasion and turning into turncoat tax collectors for them. It is asiatic at its core with the concept of the mighty strong leader khan being carried out to this day (tzars/premiers/presidents)

This is what this fundamental war between the two boils down to: western vs eastern approach going forward for the eastern slav tribes. Which in itself comes from centuries long civilizational schism on europes borders

>>15680173
>I'm just plan retarded
Here's your one extra (You) spend it wisely

>>15680182
I really hate knowing that there are legitimately people stupid enough to believe this and that is isn't just a bunch of paid Chinese shills.
>>15680192
>alarmists say tomorrow therefore the real date is never
Funny how you only apply that to China despite people saying that America was doomed to imminent collapse for over a hundred years at this point.

>>15680188
Fine apparently, but I’m sure in perhaps half a month it will totally collapse.

>>15680195
>My seizure meds are harder to manufacture than Pu-239
>rapid flashing colors.gif

>>15680182
>Only nation that seems to be getting stronger than ever with no sign of collapse is China.
China is going to make everybody else's population collapse look like a lazy downhill stroll

>>15680199
So what issue is going to destroy China that the rest of the developed world has seemingly avoided?

>>15679689
you were not launched anywhere you stupid intern fag

>>15680207
>that the rest of the developed world has seemingly avoided?
Nothing.
Everyone is colossally fucked.

>>15680207
Do you know who Evergrande is?

>>15680206
Yeah they should copy the US and import a couple hundred million Indians, Mexicans, Africans and Pakistanis to alleviate demographic collapse.

I’m sure the country will implode if it doesn’t get that juicy immigration just like Japan which as we all know is a wasteland with a collapsed economy and a mad max tier society.

>>15679965
yup

>>15680216
Nobody said that chink.

>>15680215
Lmao, I remember people like you saying China was about to collapse any minute 2 years ago and I guess you never figured out the meme was over.

>>15680015
please make her getting dp by american moonwalkers

>>15680215
1990. China's economy has come to a halt. The Economist
1996. China's economy will face a hard landing. The Economist
1998. China's economy’s dangerous period of sluggish growth. The Economist
1999. Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. Bank of Canada
2000. China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. Chicago Tribune
2001. A hard landing in China. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas
2002. China Seeks a Soft Economic Landing. Westchester University
2003. Banking crisis imperils China. New York Times
2004. The great fall of China? The Economist
2005. The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. Nouriel Roubini
2006. Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? International Economy
2007. Can China avoid a hard landing? TIME
2008. Hard Landing In China? Forbes
2009. China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover. Fortune
2010: Hard landing coming in China. Nouriel Roubini
2011: Chinese Hard Landing Closer Than You Think. Business Insider
2012: Economic News from China: Hard Landing. American Interest
2014. A hard landing in China. CNBC
2015. Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing. Forbes
2016. Hard landing looms for China. The Economist
2017. Is China's Economy Going To Crash? National Interest
2018. China's Coming Financial Meltdown. The Daily Reckoning.
2019 China's Economic Slowdown: How worried should we be? BBC2020. Coronavirus Could End China's Decades-Long Economic Growth Streak. NY Times
2021 Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize. Bloomberg
2022. China Surprise Data Could Spell R-e-c-e-s-s-i-o-n. Bloomberg.
2023. No word should be off-limits to describe China's faltering economy. Bloomberg
any day now

>>15680182
This post has convinced me that china is, in fact, very strong

>>15680199
The only thing I feel certain of is that the collapse is inevitable and when it does arrive it will be so boring that most people won't even notice until years after it happened, if ever.

>>15680158
and blocked people can make a new account you braindead moron

>>15680226
>>15680221
>wumao think filing for bankruptcy protections is a meme

>>15680226
>>15680199
>Funny how you only apply that to China despite people saying that America was doomed to imminent collapse for over a hundred years at this point.
Any day now America will finally collapse. This time for real, not like all those other times that people said America was about to collapse and it didn't. This time it'll be different.

>>15680220
Well given that the US, Europe, Canada, Australia or New Zealand all have below replacement birth rates even with massive amounts of immigrants and it’s been declining for decades which is why politicians brought in immigrants to prop things up in the first place so you saying China will collapse due to population decline while implying the US won’t makes it sound like you believe this immigration will fix the issue. I think we can safely claim any societal collapse due to a declining population is silly otherwise the west would be a burning wreck just like China but as it turns out everyone is doing fine. Right?

>>15680226
How curious that you just so happen to have cherrypicked lists to copypaste.

>>15680239
This lol. An actual shill

I blame collagefag and his advertising on other boards.

>>15680238
>Right?
No. You cannot read

>>15680226
China is extremely strong

>>15680239
>>15680245
>NOOOO YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE ARGUMENTS NOOO STOOOP
>>15680248
finally someone gets it

>>15680252
>finally someone gets it
Autism.

>>15680254
you're even more autistic than me apparently

>>15680194
Lmao they are literally the same people. Until 2014 nobody made any distinction between them and absolutely everybody including most Ukrainians and Russians saw each other as the same people no different from Germans seeing Austrians as brothers.

This whole conflict is so manufactured and unnatural with the only reason for its existence being simple divide and conquer. The US probably feared and eventual unification of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus into a single state again and decided to fund a bunch of NGOs or nationalists to sow division and the fruits of their labour paid off in 2014 causing a serious split which eventually lead to the current situation where they are killing each other by the thousands.

Completely pointless conflict to the people fighting and the only ones who gain are those want to see Russia weakened which is beneficial as they see Ukrainians as the exact same people which is why they call for more war rather than peace because every dead Ukrainian is no different that a dead Russian.

>>15680246
Kek

>>15677299

Is Astra dead or just missing in action?

>>15680272
They’re not dead yet which is somehow even more surprising

>>15680247
That’s ok anon. I’m sure in 100 years China will be a barely populated rump state with only a couple million mostly elderly insane people while the US will be populated by supremely intelligent super mutts that are 25% Italian, 25% Mexican, 15% Filipino, 15% Indian, 13% African, 6% irish and 1% Native American.

>>15680272
Astra is hopeless

>>15680182
>>15680216
>>15680238
>>15680276
We don't take kindly to /pol/ tourist here
CLEAN IT UP JANNIES

>>15680289
Jannies? Anon, /sfg/ has one janny, singular, and he's very overworked as it is.

>>15680045
It will be a historic crater, I'm sure.

new relevant Mick vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m38NgaQ_OU

>>15680291
if enough reports come in then a rando will take care of it
the problem is all the /pol/ spam is so demoralizingly common that people have stopped reporting it, even I'm guilty of that. /sci/ wouldn't be just 2 generals in a sea of cancer if people did their due dilligence more often

>>15680272
They don't have the money reserve to last until Rocket 4 is flying and their attempts to slow their money burn are just pushing its launch farther out.

The trapdoor under them has opened and they are falling but the rope around their neck has not gone tight yet.

Last one for lithobraking

>>15679225
>forgetting about Afghanistan
rude

>>15680299
we could scare them away with anime and krystal posting

>>15679428
It's only MAD for earthers

>>15680322
But then you create another problem. People will think /sfg/ is a safe haven for anime and furry shit. Which it isn't.

>>15679544
Top

hello sirs how to get job at spacex company?

>>15680344
step 1: apply

>>15680342
LMAO

>>15679698
My solar power comes from space. Do you have light bulbs in front of your solar panels or something?

>>15679789
That will make it easier to get there!

>The crash was intentional, and the target was the Apollo 11 site
How do you respond without sounding mad?

>>15680344
You could probably get a job cleaning the exercise equipment here

>>15680377
froyo of the day, now

>vatnik seething
lmao enjoy dying in urozhaine while the rubble crumbles and you get paid less and less

>>15680380
It's an unrelated gym at a mall in Shanghai

How will NASA continue to justify paying out the ass for vastly inferior radiation hardened components after the massive success of ingenuity using a cheap smartphone processor?

>15680381
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA RUSSIA IS SUCH A SHITHOLE AMIRITE LEDDIT
FAILED SUPERPOWER THANKS FOR THE UPVOTES

>>15680386
He's right. The Moon is reserved for superpowers only. Not washed up third world shitholes.

>>15680384
I'd have to go look at their rationale, but I'm pretty sure it's because it has to survive solar flares and other extreme radiation hazards as opposed to normal background radiation

NASA is allergic to risk when it comes to mission-critical stuff these days

>>15680377
wtf, why did it flip the image?

>>15680397
skill issue

>>15680397
Phones sometimes do this. There's something in the image that tells which way is up

>>15680389
>The Moon is reserved for superpowers only. Not washed up third world shitholes.
This bodes ill for Artemis then :^)

>>15680372
i'd just kek out of shock

>Whataboutism
Real vatnik hours.

>>15680397
4ch scrubs exif data so you don’t accidentally doxx yourself, but a byproduct is that it reverts orientairon of mobile photos. It’s annoying

>>15680389
>The Moon is reserved for superpowers only

>>15680406
At least the scientists at NASA don't get paid in worthless currency :^)

>>15680418
India is more of a superpower than Russia confirmed

>>15680396
has any solar flare hit Mars since the mission started?

>>15680397
orientation is metadata sometimes because it's faster and takes less space than actually moving the pixels, 4chan removes metadata so it can't tell that it was rotated

>>15680413
Why don't phones just save the image in the right orientation instead of a random one?

>>15680418
They've been a superpower since 2020.
Are you new?

>>15680430
As recently as two weeks ago in fact

>>15680419
>the scientists at NASA don't get paid in worthless currency
Don't they?
>The Gold Reserve Act of 1934 made contractual gold clauses unenforceable. It also allowed the President to change the gold content of the US dollar by proclamation. Immediately following its passage, Roosevelt changed the gold content of the dollar from $20.67 to $35 per ounce, thereby devaluing US federal reserve notes, which were backed on gold. That valuation remained in effect until August 15, 1971, when President Richard Nixon announced that the US would no longer value the US dollar with a fixed amount of gold, thus abandoning the gold standard for foreign exchange

>>15680430
Ingenuity hasn't malfunctiomed due to radiation so none that would just rad hardened computers.

>>15680441
two weeks? you said two weeks?
TWO WEEKS?
TWO WEEKS TWO WEEKS TWO WEEKS TWO WEEKS TWO WEEKS TWO WEEKS TWO WEEKS TWO WEEKS TWO WEEKS TWO WEEKS TWO WEEKS TWO WEEKS

>>15680448
https://www.space.com/x-class-solar-flare-radio-blackout-august-2023

>>15680423
Their launch vehicle lineup is weaker but they've got a much stronger science payload game. If they can finally get their big engine program completed were going to see some serious shit.

>>15680445
You realize the ruble is also a fiat currency too right kek

>>15680445
Derailing this /pol/shit to talk about something else.
Is energy-backed currency a meme? What would an economy with an energy-backed currency look like? How would it differ from the current and past economies?

>>15680454
Sure, all modern 'currencies' are fraud and lies, that's a worldwide sword of Damocles

>>15680445
>>15680462
>>15680465
>thinking this matter
it doesn't. just don't cause too much inflation

Great vid from CNBC about Varda Space's space factory, and Space Forge as well. Didn't know that Space Forge existed, they are making semiconductors in space

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZJv_YGpjeI

>>15680340
That's not a problem. I actually miss all the rocket girl posting

>>15680476
I can do luna 25 posting if someone tells me how to convert telegram stickers to gif >>>/wsr/1391128

>>15680476
Politics has already derailed the thread, don't make it worse.

Rip

>>15680377
>aussie roleplays that he works at spacex and forgets to rotate the image 180 degrees before posting
classic mistake

today's froyo flavor is toothpaste and spam

Why build Soyuz-5 when Angara is more versatile

>>15680510
Soyuz-5 unlocks Yenisei in the tech tree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npjjXpqYFz0 Broadcast of the undocking of the Progress MS-22 spacecraft and the ISS