/sci/ - Science & Math

Yeah, fuck science. We should lie to the public because we know better.

If global warming were a hoax then the hoax would appeal strongly to entitled, low iq, mentally ill narcissists with savior complexes. the people who were genuinely concerned about air quality would be out planting trees somewhere rather than playing climate evangelist on the internet

>>15678289
I gotta wonder how exactly you someone like you sees the course of human history playing out in the future.

>>15678289
Let's say everyone comes to accept the fact the climate change is a hoax, and climate science is no longer studied anywhere.
I gotta wonder how exactly someone like you sees the course of human history playing out in the future, with the evil's of climate science and environmentalism defeated.

>>15678254
Why is lying okay when scientists do it?

>>15678309
Please point out where I said that.

>>15678278
>, fuck science
projection, the post

>>15678334
Why do you care what climate scientists are saying?
Is it not absolutely clear to you by now that virtually everyone including the most leftist governments in the world have no intention whatsoever of leaving any of their fossil fuel reserves in the ground?
Why not let the climate scientists and environmentalists yap about impending doom all they want since everyone is basically ignoring them anyway?

>>15678338
>everyone is basically ignoring them
i'm unfortunate enough to be yuropoor
the shitty policies based on their shitty sims have tangible negative effect on me and my land

>>15678351
>the shitty policies based on their shitty sims have tangible negative effect on me and my land
>oh no, I can buy tax free solar cells and put them on my balcony
>this evil government is subsidising our independence from the government-run grid
>literally 1984

>>15678351
there is no oil left in europe.
and since you cut off russia, there is now even less.
whatever negative affects you are experiencing are not the fault of environmentalists or climate scientists

>>15678367
That anon wants to suck Saudi cock so bad. Even if you don't care about the environment, independence from oil has nothing but benefits.

>>15678373
>independence from oil has nothing but benefits.
oil is just another source of energy with benefits and consequences like any other so i am going to have to disagree with this ridiculous black and white statement.

>>15678382
How much do Arab oil shakes pay you to blow their load into you?

>>15678385
youre on the same spectrum as the abiotic oil idiots, just at the other end.
stop talking to me

>>15678254
>What's the end result?
Neo-feudalism. Regardless, it's extremely important for the truth to come out so that it becomes socially acceptable to humiliate, revile and segregate from your likes.

>>15678385
>Arab oil shakes
That some new form of Amerishart quisine?

>>15678388
You arrived here on the same short bus as the other redditfugees, immediately cease existing

>>15678254
>97% of the world's scientists are in a big secret conspiracy
Small, mediocre, mundane minds like yours have no grasp of the dynamics of any system bigger than whatever soulless office environment you spend your days in. Those who control the incentives and filters of a system control its output. There doesn't need to be any coordination between masses of useful idiots pumping out garbage science. They could have a million different motives: some are just brainwashed believers, others have built a whole career around a set of premises punched into them at a stage where they were little more than trusting information sponges and can't even psychologically handle the idea that everything they've ever done was trash, yet others think there is no downside to doing bad science and that they're doing the right thing in the name of their sociopolitical beliefs. In any case, the environment simply selects for those who will parrot whatever is desirable and against those who don't.

>>15678382
>oil is just another source of energy with benefits and consequences like any other
lmao what a cheap attempt to deflect. Scientifically, oil has big disadvantages due to carbon emissions and pollution. Politically, it has big disadvantages due to dependence on OPEC countries (look at the list and tell me this isn't a disadvantage).

>>15678412
Funny how you accuse me of having no grasp, yet I'm the one working in academia and you aren't. And you still try to explain to me how my career works. Let me guess, you could only figure this out from the freedom of your parents' basement? I'm in too deep to understand?

>>15678278
>better world
what a naive fucking idiot you are, kys stupid fuck

>>15678418
Funny how you are melting with impotent rage, meanwhile every single word I wrote stands unchallenged, unrefuted, undisputed.

>>15678421
My friend has to give a presentation on narcissistic personality disorder. May she interview you for totally unrelated reasons?

>>15678446
>the academaton spews this week's standardized reddit zoomer insult
>the points remain completely unchallenged
I accept your bitter little concession. Maybe next time don't spew mindless skeptoid cliches about a gorillion scientists being in a big conspiracy, because everyone sees through your braindead strawman. :^)

>>15678366
your tax-free panel is paid from your own taxes
i don't want shitty panels that require me to buy 20k€ worth of additional infrastructure and aren't even substitution for grid power
i'm perfectly fine paying for nuclear, but you loonies wanted to ban that too until you figured out your shitty renewables are unusable as a replacement for fossils
now try to sell me on euro7
>>15678367
i didn't do anything
eu apparatchiks did and they are the ones who should be facing the consequences, but i can't get anywhere near their nests with an automatic weapon

>>15678462
>you loonies
Anon, how many times do I have to tell you? Paid shills are not loonies. They're just kikes.

>>15678462
>your tax-free panel is paid from your own taxes
That doesn't make sense on an level. That tax-free panel is paid from my money and the government doesn't interfere like it does with virtually everything else.
>i don't want shitty panels that require me to buy 20k€ worth of additional infrastructure
What infrastructure? You're talking out of your own ass. Even if you're completely unskilled, it costs ~1000€. If you can build things your own, it gets even cheaper.
>i'm perfectly fine paying for nuclear
>I'm perfectly fine paying for the most expensive type of electricity while being 100% dependent on the government I distrust so much
You're trolling, right? No one can be this retarded. This is clown-level retarded.

>>15678487
>gubmint doesn't interfere
it does interfere, even after the subsidy
your setup needs to pass an inspection if you want to connect it to the grid, which you have to because it can't run your house alone (if you want to use your land for far more critical stuff, like food)
>what infrastructure
inverter, switchboard, batteries
1000€ covers the battery at best, but it's the work that is expensive
>build things your own
okay, then it costs 60k€ because my time is more expensive than the electrician's and i'd be doing it for the first time, which means even more time spent than they do
guess an academicuck who can just fuck around all day, occasionally shitting out shoddy paper can't comprehend that people's time is valuable because the value of his time is somewhere near 0
>nuclear is the most expensive type of electricity
as expected from the green loonies, more shilling
even if that was the case, i'm fine with that because i actually care about the environment and i don't want more lithium mines or to see decomissioned wind and solar plants lying around in the forest (if you live near them, you know what actually happens to the parts that were replaced)
i'm perfectly fine paying extra for nuclear while we're working on fusion

Yes you're right, climate policies never hurt us ever we should lean into it harder and to line our leader's pockets.
>>15678313
Let's have a case study of climate policy: London ULEZ
>100iq politicians need to generate more tax revenue
>introduce new tax
>"yes it's for your benefit"
>while citing studies funded by taxpayer's money
One interesting example is how the .gov websites drum up sensational reports on how great their polices are: "New report reveals the transformational impact of the expanded Ultra Low Emission Zone so far" https://www.london.gov.uk/new-report-reveals-transformational-impact-expanded-ultra-low-emission-zone-so-far
While the actual research suggests:
"Corresponding author of the research Dr Marc Stettler, from Imperial’s Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering and Centre for Transport Studies, said: “Our research suggests that a ULEZ on its own is not an effective strategy to improve air quality""
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ac30c1
I'm not necessarily an anti climate change activist but I cannot support any climate based policy because they're detrimental to my standard of living while conveniently generating cash for the government.

>>15679193
Scary. These cameras will be everywhere soon. No more freedom of movement, we will all live in our 15 minute cities and be good little serfs for our neo-feudal lords at the WEF.

>>15679193
>London ULEZ
politics, not science

>>15678254
If climate change is supposed to be a lie, how could we explain the fact that the last few years were the hottest in history almost vertically?

>>15679278
That's the only thing people care about. No one cares about climate science. They care about climate politics. You're the one moving the goal by pretending the argument is about anything other than politics.

>>15679303
>i'm not into science
nooooo really

>>15679477
You're off-topic to the thread and the thread is off-topic to the board.

>36 posts
>15 IPs
just one samefag obsessively self bumping his own troll thread
you trolled yourself by accident faggot

>>15679287
>hottest in history
*laughs in PETM*

>>15679488
How dumb do you have to be to complain that a thread has posters in it who reply to each other more than once?

>>15679495
>what does history mean?
>what is considered prehistoric?
Certainly, the PETM is prehistoric.

>>15679278
Address the core point. You want to talk about climate change research in the public consciousness and why people are hesitatant on climate policy here it is laid out bare.
I struggle to see how you can hold such a strong conviction without being able to defend it unless you were a paid shill

>>15678254
>people named such and such are dumb
kekz
also, no, what you speak of is pure fantasy and has no connection to reality whatsoever

>>15678313
>>15678289
>>15678278
>>15678254
LMAO, those are shit tier lies just to push a sorry ass scam.

>>15679278
As always you don't have a single valid argument at all. You only want to push that nonsense to humiliate and starve the population, so few can enjoy all kind of luxuries in their private jets. Your lies deserve punishment.