/sci/ - Science & Math

grey bussy

Where are all the aliens?

Appeal to authority (nobel prize means he must be correct!)
He has no expertise or experience in the field of climatology or geological sciences in general, he's a physicist. Funny how it's always physicists who think they know much more than people that actually study climate.
Also this;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_disease

>>15667807
>He has no expertise or experience in the field of climatology or geological sciences in general, he's a physicist.
You have no expertise or experience in the field of climatology.
You're not even aware that until about 25 years ago, climate science was a branch of physics know as atmospheric science.
Clauser's exhaustive knowledge of physics is extremely relevant to atmospheric science, which is subset of physics.
Geological sciences also involve extensive use of physics, but you are not aware of that because you have never studied either physics or geology.
If you're concerned about global warming, why does it upset you to see one of the world's foremost scientists say that global warming is nothing to be concerned about? Why aren't you happy to see the good news? Do you want to be upset about global warming? Why do you want that?

>>15667807
>nobel prize means he must be correct
agreed

>>15667780
Thank you for saying the line I was about to have an aneurysm.

>>15667807
>He has no expertise or experience in the field of climatology or geological sciences in general
Neither do most climate scientists.

>>15667807
Nobel price winner means, he’s not dumb. But more importantly he’s got no career to lose.

>>15667959
Which means he can speak the truth without fearing reprisals from the peer review mafia

>>15667757
>clauser
is a fraud. he was awarded a nobel prize for bullshit work that proved nothing.

Reminder that we are the only technological civilization in the galaxy at this time. Alien civilizations no doubt exist in other galaxies but they are so far away in space and time that we will never meet them.

What's with physicists and talking out their ass on things outside their field of expertise? This happens all the time.

Heres another important science video
https://youtu.be/XGtsO12LO94

>>15668104
how would you know, are you an expert in quantum mechanics on par with the nobel laureates?
if so, prove it, blow us away with your massive intellect

>>15669259
his bell test did not prove anything except that one or more bell assumption is wrong, which we have already known for ages.

>>15667807
>calls out a fallacy then proceeds to commit the same fallacy

Where are all the Scientists !!?!?

>>15669296
If thats the case then how come you didn't publish before him and get the Nobel prize for yourself?

>>15669296
>the nobel prize is a big conspiracy!!!
but also
>trust the soience, goy!!!

>>15669318
its not the same fallacy because while clauser is an acknowledged scientific expert, the professional propagandists who edit wikipedia are not

>>15667757
why presentation with one slide lol

>>15669968
others already did bell tests before him and did not receive any nobel prize, nor should they. it's not groundbreaking work.

>>15667757
Where are all the global warmings

>>15672052
>others already did bell tests before him
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_test
>Stuart J. Freedman and John Clauser carried out the first actual Bell test

>>15672052
LMAO, the greta tier idiot was posing as some sort of jaded phsyics expert and he didn't even know the most basic facts about what he was talking about

>>15672052
>>15672529

>>15667898
Climate sciences don't learn about thermodynamics or photon interactions because they don't study physics and can't do math.
Clauser is particularly an expert when it comes to understanding photon interactions.

Where are all the global warmings?

>>15669405
i don't know where they are. what do they look like? maybe we could find them if we knew what we were looking for

>>15677394
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-a-scientist-looks-like/

>>15667807
Let’s see your nobel prize if you know so much better, faggot

>>15674977
A substantial amount of the reasoning that goes into Clauser's proof that global warming is fake has to do with his superior understanding of photon interactions

>>15672052
Clauser was the first to do the Bell test, it was groundbreaking work, he was awarded the Nobel prize for it

>>15678238

>>15667807
climate "scientists" are swine tuning their incorrigible whore models to whichever john will pay them. their weather stations should be burned down. their tongues squelched. their papers used as firewood. their models mocked. their houses seized. if they protest, they should be made to meet their father.

>>15667757
Did he get the Nobel prize for work on climate research? Does he have any credibility in that field?

>>15667819
>You have no expertise or experience in the field of climatology.
Physicist here with similar expertise and experience in climatology. If I say the literal opposite of everything this guy said, will you start simping for me? If not, have you considered that you might be a victim of confirmation bias?

>>15676741
Do you think this is a gotcha? We didn't reverse the trend and countries like Nauru are pretty much known to be done for sooner or later.

>>15681246
>Physicist here with similar expertise and experience in climatology.
Sure thing.

>If I say the literal opposite of everything this guy said
You mean if you repeat all the same propaganda trash everyone has heard a million times?

>will you start simping for me?
He probably won't because... see above.

>have you considered that you might be a victim of confirmation bias?
Have you considered that you might be a victim of a concerted propaganda campaign?

>>15681248
Two more weeks!

>>15681249
>>Physicist here with similar expertise and experience in climatology.
>Sure thing.
Why do you doubt that? I'm not an expert in climatology and neither is him. I took a couple of environmental physics lectures during my undergrad years though. I would hope he knows the basics.

>>15681272
>Why do you doubt that?
Because you're a nobody with the same expertise as any other nobody posting anonymously on the middling IQ and poor education board. Either way, notice how you were forced to ignore all the actual points of my post. I accept your concession.

>>15681282
>a nobody with the same expertise as any other nobody posting anonymously on the middling IQ and poor education board
So, what's the difference between us nobodies and Clauser?

>>15681285
1. He has actually demonstrated his intellectual competence
2. He isn't rehashing the same propaganda everyone has heard a million times
Your "confirmation bias" skeptoid cliche doesn't apply no matter how you twist it. You and your takes don't warrant any interest and attention. It's inherently so.

>>15681248
>are pretty much known to be done for sooner or later.

>>15681297

>>15680890
>it was groundbreaking work
and why is that? fo you even know ehat the results mean?

>>15681292
>1. He has actually demonstrated his intellectual competence
By doing something completely unrelated. If he looks at my car and tells me what's wrong with it, I wouldn't trust him either.
>2. He isn't rehashing the same propaganda everyone has heard a million times
And that's why you drop on your knees, mouth wide open. He says something different. He's against the mainstream. Everyone says the earth is round, but there's this one guy who says it's flat. This is the one that must be right! He says what you want to hear.

>>15681334
>By doing something completely unrelated
Doesn't dispute my point in any way.

>He says something different. He's against the mainstream
Yes, a clownishly corrupt mainstream that many people have long suspected to be lying about AGW based on various proxy issues that don't require scientific expertise to reason about. Now someone with impressive scientific credentials is confirming it directly.

>>15681329
>fo you even know ehat the results mean?
You're incoherent with rage, why does it upset you so much that Clauser earned a Nobel prize in physics?

>>15682549
Normies are trained to de-person anyone caught dismantling the accepted corporate narrative. It's really just the next step of the statue-toppling mentality: no matter the significance of your contributions, your entire existence will be reframed in terms of your transgression or trivialized.

>>15682549
why can't you tell us what the results mean?

>>15682662
Why can't you understand that Chad will never impregnate you?

>>15667807
Then it should be easy for you to refute his arguments, instead of just crying "waah that's a fallacy" and then appealing to authority figures that give whatever credentials you deem necessary.

>>15682695
Brainlet takes from both of you. Dismissing people based on their lack of proven expertise is reasonable and necessary. Dismissing politically motivated government "science" is also reasonable and necessary. No one needs to argue or prove anything.

>>15682712
You're not making any arguments, you're just crying that your hypocrisy which you share with the other poster is being called out.

>>15682724
>You're not making any arguments,
So?

>your hypocrisy
What hypocrisy? Show me where I've been inconsistent, brainlet.

>>15682662

He proved that quantum entanglement cannot be explained by a hidden variable theory?

>>15682737
It's odd how quickly you concede yet think you're still worth my time. Thanks for further proving you can't and don't argue in good faith, even if I didn't point that out before. You're a loser.

>>15682755
>you concede
Concede what? You sound legit mentally ill. I'm not arguing anything. I'm just trying to help you understand the following: dismissing people based on their lack of proven expertise is reasonable and necessary. dismissing politically motivated government "science" is also reasonable and necessary. That's not an argument, it's a statement of fact.

>>15682747
wrong.

his experiment (and any bell test ever) only proves that at least one of the assumptions of bell's theorem is violated in nature.

>>15682759
Yes, you're a hypocrite and you don't even argue against it. You got offended at my post calling out the other anon's hypocrisy because you practice the same hypocrisy. Projecting your mental illness is not an argument.

>>15682800
You keep sperging out like a mental patient but you can't show any inconsistency in anything I said.

>>15682784

how is that different from what i said?

>>15683029
there are three assumptions that go into bell's theorem, and hidden variables is only one of them. we don't know which assumption(s) is/are violated, we only know that at least 1 is.

>>15683041

what are the other two assumption?

>>15683317
parameter independence: the assumption that the probability distribution of measurement outcomes at one detector does not depend on the settings of the other detector.

statistical independence: the assumption that the probability distribution of the hidden variables, ρ(λ), is independent of the detector settings.

(statistical independence seems to also include hidden variables, which is confusing.)

source: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fphy.2020.00139/full

>>15667807

Physics is most general area of science before mathematics. Therefore a physicist is better equipped to be a generalist than say a climatologist. Being a person capable of producing scientific value worthy of Nobel Prize certainly helps. He's also not stating that something is impossible, unlike the current dogma that states that pretty much states that it impossible for the climate change to not be entirely manmade, as well to not be the end of all life requiring us to talk about "saving the planet".

>>15667807

Physics is most general area of science before mathematics and logic. Therefore a physicist is better equipped to be a generalist than say a climatologist. Being a person capable of producing scientific value worthy of Nobel Prize certainly helps. He's also not stating that something is impossible, unlike the current dogma that pretty much states that it impossible for the climate change to not be entirely manmade, as well to not be the kind of end of the world scenario justifying us to talk in such dire words as "saving the planet".

>>15667819
Thank you for describing appeal to authority, but in more words.

>>15683538

And is there reason to believe the other 2 assumptions can be false?

>>15683884
there is no way to know which assumptions are false. no experiment has been proposed that could test them. in the paper i linked, the authors argue that it is in fact impossible to test any of them by experiment.

>>15683843
>justifying us to talk in such dire words as "saving the planet".
Its mental illness that justifies that. The narcissistic savior complex types are very common their delusions are promoted to them on every major media outlet and via the educational institutions. Narcissists are extremely easy to manipulate through flattery and the idea that they're doing something good by screeching lies about impending doom is very flattering to them

>>15682800
>Projecting your mental illness is not an argument
ur the one projecting

>>15684176

>The narcissistic savior complex types are very common their delusions are promoted to them on every major media outlet and via the educational institutions

Then this guy must be so off the charts that even Sam Vaknin is saint in comparison. While AI stuff is not directly related, it is indirectly, as we're on the verge of potentially new industrial revolution that could make everything many times more efficient as well as empover the individual, while this vile fucker and industry gatekeepers are really keen on pushing regulation that centralizes AI and makes the technology useless and harmful for common individual. Combine that with utopian cunts that wish to turn the western world into an easily controllable and conquerable 3rd world shit hole, and you get a recepy for totalitarian rule which makes a total annihilation by Skynet look like a release.

>>15683843
>Physics is most general area of science before mathematics and logic. Therefore a physicist is better equipped to be a generalist than say a climatologist.
I don't agree with this. Mathematical biologists are the best equipped generalists as they have to know basically everything in physics, chemistry, and biology already.

>>15667757
>"Even tho I'm an atheist"
Closed the video immediately

>>15686515
lol you're dumb like clauser, but for a different reason. that's fucking funny

>>15686546
you're only upset at clauser because he spoke the truth about global warming

>>15686789
no, it's mainly because he (and his in-group of quantum zealots) smugly believes he has disproven determinism, when he simply hasn't.

>>15686794
>everyone is smug but me
projection

>>15686794

If you believe in superdeterminism, why do you care about global warming? If it's going to happen then it will happen, nothing you can do about it

>>15686919
i really don't care about global warming, I'm only in this thread to call out clauser for being a fraud. but anyway we are going to care about things that cause us suffering, determined or not

>>15686923
>oy vey muh suffering!!!
>gibes me dem reparations muffugguh!!!

>>15669405
>Where are all the Scientists !!?!?
Where are all the Children who need to be shown what a scientist looks like!!?!?

Its retarded how a bunch of gretafags who can't even do math think they're more knowledgeable than a nobel laureate physicist just because the nobel laureate physicist contradicted the NPR/CNN/BBC mainstream narrative

>>15690225
mentally ill people can't be expected to behave rationally, expecting crazy people to be anything other that crazy is irrational

>>15690225
It's retarded how oil shills think that someone without any experience in climatology, who's literally paid by the oil lobby, is right, just based on achievements in an entirely unrelated field because he confirms their views. Well, if this guy is right, I don't need to change anything or feel bad for flying to Bali twice a year. Also, he's smort. I don't care who pays him.

>>15667807
>Appeal to authority (nobel prize means he must be correct!)
>He has no expertise or experience in the field of climatology or geological sciences in general, he's a physicist.
So, just to be clear, you want to appeal to an appeal to authority by appealing to authority?
>Funny how it's always physicists who think they know much more than people that actually study climate.
One of the founders of climatology also said AGW was bullshit and he was ostracised and demonized by journalists and activists. There are no real researchers supporting this nonsense.

>>15690521
An appeal to established climatology is an appeal to experiments, not an appeal to authority. The consensus is formed not on "what do most Nobel laureates say" but by "whose predictions line up best with reality". Nice try though.

>>15690525
>an appeal to [established authority] is not an appeal to authority
Are you ok in the head?

>>15690525
>an appeal to experiments
Which experiments? It's a pure simulation field with very, very weak predictive power.
>>15690525
>The consensus is formed not on "what do most Nobel laureates say" but by "whose predictions line up best with reality".
Not how research works. Your citation eco chambers should NEVER be protected from outside critique.

>>15690529
>an appeal to anything established is an appeal to authority
It doesn't make more sense the second time you try this. Bad shill, trying to get two plates of borscht with one trick. No food for you.
Let me try again: we don't choose the models and predictions based on what authority made them, we chose the models and predictions based on which models and predictions describe reality the best. This is elaborated in scientific publications. The IPCC report gives a good summary of that. They don't just choose superstars (laypeople with nobel prizes, climatologists with Nobel prizes or whatever) and be like "yass king"

>>15690538
>Which experiments?
Who cares which experiments? Any experiment he shits out, I can say I'm not a climatologist so I can't judge the validity of the experiment or its conclusions, at which point he makes his appeal to authority explicit. AGW narrative is inherently nothing except appeal to authority and it could never be anything else so long as its function is to manipulate the behavior of the masses.

>>15690541
See >>15690545 and weep. You have literally nothing going for you except government-funded propaganda and appeal to authority fallacies in any discussion.

>>15690538
>Which experiments? It's a pure simulation field with very, very weak predictive power.
Read the reports. Model validation is a form of experiment and by definition not an appeal to authority.
>Your citation eco chambers should NEVER be protected from outside critique.
Nothing is shielded, but criticism that is unfounded doesn't deserve too much time. Again, this only guy's connection to climatology is that he's paid by the fucking oil industry. How can I stress this enough? The "AGW shills" aren't paid by the nuclear or solar industries. Clauser literally gets cash money from the CO2 coalition, which is funded by the American petroleum lobby.

>>15690547
The third time you say this doesn't make it better. It's not an appeal to authority. Imagine two people in a room. One shits on the floor. The other one asks "why did you shit on the floor?" The floor shitter replies "you shat on the floor!" - "no I didn't, you clearly did" - "well you shit in the toilet right? And the toilet is a horizontal, rigid structure, with a hole on floor level. Now, I'm no plumbing expert, so I cannot give you a clear definition of where the toilet ends and the floor begins, but inherently you shit on the floor"

The floor shitter can try all day long, but in the end, he's the only one who shits on the floor. Just like "HE'S GOT A NOBEL FUCKING PRIZE" is the only appeal to authority ITT.

>>15690558
You legitimately suffer form a mental illness. Let me dumb it down for you:

>Bob: I don't believe humans are warming the planet
>Fred: You have to!
>Bob: Why?
>Fred: [posts some academic schizobabble neither Bob nor Fred can verify]
>Bob: I can't verify any of this
>Fred: TROOOST HECKIN' EXPERTS!!!
>Fred: 6,000,0000 TOP NOTCH SCIENTISTS VERIFIED IT!!!
>Fred: THE PANEL OF INTERNATIONAL GOVERNMENT EXPERTS SAID IT'S TRUE SO IT'S TRUE

etc. etc. ad infinitum. There is no other way it can go. Your entire narrative is inherently an appeal to authority.

>>15690541
>IPCC
>trustworthy
its a political organization, not a scientific one

>>15667757
Do not use the where are the aliens pic for non alien threads in the future.

>>15691984
what are you gonna do about it

>>15667757
Good speech, he has a lot of interesting things to say. Should've rehearsed it though, the stammering and constant reference to his notes was made for a weak delivery

>>15690562
>imagine being so retarded that you don't understand what an appeal to authority is

Are Koreans dumb enough to believe in global warming to begin with?

>>15693000
>he has a lot of interesting things to say
no, no he doesn't

>>15694853
wrong, its a good speech

>>15694438
Nobody in Asia believes in global warming

>>15697409

I used to doubt global warming but it appears all my criticisms have been answer be the AGW crowd. These shills are retards

>>15694853
You're just too ignorant of quantum mechanics to understand him, thats why the speech didn't interest you.

>>15699789
you're just too ignorant of the massive flaws of quantum mechanics, that's why you disagree with me.

>>15699813
you should use your superior knowledge of physics to usurp Clauser's nobel laureate status and seize it for yourself

>>15700999
Nobel prizes aren't boxing belts.

>>15700999
he got a nobel because the entire nobel committee consists of other quantum zealots who follow the same religion that he does. it has nothing to do with being right

>>15701040
lame excuse, clauser proved that global warming is fake and won a nobel prize and you can't even do basic math

>>15701990
>ITS A CONSPIRACY!!!

>>15667757
Imagine how much fanfare Clauser's Nobel would've gotten if he was jewish.

>>15698324
Maybe she didn't mention China because it actually got its shit together and is now not even in the top ten polluters anymore? Fuck off.

>>15698324
So you're not a gullible idiot but a malicious liar? You were already proven wrong the last time you posted this: >>/sci/thread/15652758#p15659939

Green shills deserve brutal cartel executions.

>>15704180
>it admits to being a paid OPEC operative

>>15701990
You're a certified schizo, but actually right in that it's a cabal.

>>15704227
I actually disagree with him. I think you need medical help to cope with your climate anxiety. Killing mental patients is inhumane.

>>15667807
https://www.edge.org/conversation/freeman_dyson-heretical-thoughts-about-science-and-society

>>15704665
Isn't that the Dyson sphere schizo?

>>15704669
schizo?
he was a prof. emeritus at IAS and did work up to Nobel standards in quantum electrodynamics
what the fuck have you accomplished, midwit?

>>15704669

Dyson sphere is theoretically feasible i.e. hard sci-fi

>>15704685
Sure, he was a very successful and important scientist, but he contradicted the globohomo soience dogma once on global warming, so the cancel culture crowd is now dead set on ruining his reputation. See how that works, no matter how accomplished you are, if you don't stay in line then its over for you on the first infraction. Remind you of the case of James Watson? What about all of the esteemed scientists who never contradicted the soience dogma, do you think that was because they believed in it or because they feared the consequences of speaking their true opinions?

>>15667757
Is that the same dude from resident evil?

>>15705335
Agree, but James Watson accomplished nothing.

>>15705627
No, Krauser is the guy from DMC

>>15705108
Everything sci fi is theoretically feasible.

Fuck yeah, clauser

>>15667807
>"Appeal to authority"
>wikipedia

>>15682695
He made no arguments, just claims in the video.

>>15706843
He can say "global warming is fake" ten times in under a second

>>15706619

not really, in the movie interstellar, the aliens supposedly hide themselves inside a blackhole, that seems to me theoretically impossible

>>15709056

>>15707723

>>15704227

>>15667807
Physicists do know more than climate scientists, unfortunately. Physicist are taught to build predictive models from base principles, this is why it is obvious to good physicists when physical laws or base principles are ignored. Physicists are the ultimate bullshit detectors, sorry for raining on your bullshit parade. Feel free to present evidence of your supposed future climate catastrophe though.

>>15667807
You appealed to authority after calling out an appeal to authority? Are you a bot? Surely you can't be that incapable of self-reflection.

>>15667807
>all those replies
Why does the truth make the oil shills seethe?

>>15712195
>its a conspiracy!!!
>saudi aramco is out to get me!!!

>>15712170
>climate scientists
atmospheric science is a subset of physics

>>15713044
>the oil industry has nothing to lose and has never funded online disinformation campaigns for the past decades, especially not hundreds of millions by the Koch brothers, so it is similarly ridiculous to think that Saudis with the same means in the same position with the same risk of losing business to the same thing

>>15715283
what do you think about the keystone XL pipeline project, good or bad?

>>15715610
Why does that matter?

>>15716238
why are you afraid to answer?

>>15716933
Why do you think I’m afraid?

>>15667757
Another one bites the dust
>>15667807
I remember the same fallacy was heavily utilized during the pandemic ironic >>15669318

>>15716936
Why did that anon delete his comment?

>>15716936
You're afraid to answer

>>15718222
Repeating what you think is no answer to why you think that.

>>15718222
Also, why did you delete that other comment? Are you afraid?

>>15706843
>>15710308
Clauser-san!

Isn't it amazing how the soigoys worship their soience heroes like deities until one of their soience gods contradicts the MSM soience dogma, at which point the formerly revered god gets dropped like the proverbial hot potato.
Why are soigoys so offended when someone contradicts the CNN/NPR version of reality?

>>15676741
>40 years ago IPCC says "GLOBAL WARMING IN TWO WEEKS OMG!!!!!"
no global warming at all has happened yet
looks like the scientists were wrong

>>15667780
Deep below Antarctica.

>>15722274
Is that why schizos insist on emitting greenhouse gases?

Bump

>>15722283
its not schizos doing that, jews are responsible for the overwhelming majority of greenhouse gas emissions

>>15723114
Source?

>>15723235
sup shlomo

>>15724284
Sup faggot

>>15704016
lol