/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15666650
Stupid renderfag edition. Either it is real or stop talking about itin the spaceflight general

no launches today

Cute

>>15666655
>>15666675
sametranny

Cancel MSR

Wen crew dreamchaser
also
>>15666666

SOVL

You will change the rocketgirl md5 hash and you will be happy

https://www.darpa.mil/news-events/2023-08-15
https://sam.gov/opp/54586656144548e598d75adea4d129b7/view

The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) is soliciting innovative and revolutionary approaches to design integrated, multi-service commercial nodes for mass-efficient lunar infrastructure supported by analytical frameworks intended for future use by the United States and all nations with a declared commitment to the peaceful use of the Moon per the Artemis Accords.

LunA-10 will help to enable the near-term maturation of lunar technologies and capabilities that will be necessary for future architecture objectives. The study will result in the design of system-level solutions that fuse multiple necessary lunar services and deliver a quantitatively defendable analytical framework for future lunar infrastructure that leverages technology overlap between potential services to the maximum extent possible. More than one framework is anticipated. Performers will create new benchmarks and metrics defining performance parameters for each integrated system solution, directly tied to an aggregate “critical mass” for a self-sustaining, monetizable, commercially owned-and-operated lunar infrastructure. Performers will ultimately create a System Concept Review (SCR) level design of the integrated systems, identify key enabling technologies or necessary innovation in quantitative terms, and analyze cost, logistical and technological challenges facing the aggregate frameworks thus composed. Input is sought from both lunar technology providers and lunar technology users. Solutions that are stand-alone or are not designed to integrate with other concepts or larger architectures are specifically excluded.

do you all think IFT 2 will happen before October? I can go watch it if that's the case

>>15666703
Q2 2024

>>15666686
Will it fly before ISS deorbits?

Mobile launcher is finally under construction, how long do these take to build?
>>15666707
Dreamchaser cargo will fly next year Q1, idk about a crewed variant

>>15666703
They have to do at least one more static fire and integrate the hot staging component. They haven't even put the second stage on the latest booster yet.

>>15666705
> spring of next year
sad, but likely

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2023/08/orion-update-081523/

>>15666703
I held to my bet of first week of september a long time but it's not looking likely.
I'd get hyped when musk gives a date that's in less than 4 weeks.

>>15666732
>when musk gives a date that's in less than 4 weeks
How involved is he with SpaceX? It seems he's too busy with Twitter

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/08/fighting-for-survival-astra-taps-the-brakes-on-new-smallsat-launcher/

>>15666738
why did they dump the tiny rocket, that could fit in crates? Seems that was a good niche and they could have made it work.

https://www.space.com/space-mining-company-moon-projects-drew-feustel

>>15666739
it wouldn't have a market
not like this one has either, but its new so perhaps a way to try to get investor money
but doesn't really seem like anybody is biting

>>15666703
Yes
Only the FAA could really cuck them if the nonsense about starship being grounded is true but their pace suggests otherwise.

>>15666747
I'm sure there are already payloads that the spooks would like to put in a starship. It's not implausible that men in suits show up and demand that the FAA sign paperwork.

>>15666750
>You WILL let the big rocket fly
This would be the best timeline lol

>>15666750
Biden would have to be removed for that to happen.

>>15666763
YouTube is such trash now, at least the search. It's all talking heads clickbait. Like all of it.

How da fuck do I calculate exhaust velocity for nuclear thermal rockets

Elon big rocket fly when? Want to see big rocket fly!

>>15666763
AI channels. 90% of youtube is AI channels now. Signal to noise ratio is terrible.

>>15666738
Damn, space is hard

>>15666769
2 weeks

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>>15666750
Cope

https://www.wired.com/story/the-space-force-is-launching-its-own-swarm-of-tiny-satellites/

>Defense satellites used to be big, costly, and “juicy” targets for attack. Now the Pentagon is aiming for a more resilient network of nearly 1,000 mini orbiters.

>>15666800
so will China now

>>15666800
Oh no no no ‘payloads will obviously get huge now that starship is real’ bros

>>15666807
We're still back
https://spacenews.com/earth-observation-evolution-bigger-satellites-promise-bigger-payoff-for-imagery-operators/

>>15666812
>from 100kg to 200kg
I miss the Envisat days.

>>15666800
>One swarm of the new satellites, provided by SpaceX and Florida-based L3Harris, will be charged with missile tracking using their wide field-of-view sensors.

SPACEX designing missile tracking satellites holy fucking based they are half hardware defense contractor now

>>15666807
You think they will get 1k sats up one at a time?

>>15666831
2 at a time on Vulcan-Centaur and New Glenn

>>15666650
>FHH

You mean Angara-5v

>>15666770
Browsing Shorts is headache-inducing. Web-scraped content voicrd by text-to-speech generators

Any chance Blue Origin/SpaceX/Relativity/etc. start launching from Alacantra to free up space at the cape and Vandenberg?

>>15666711
We actually don't know, because ML2 is the one they're building from scratch instead of Frankensteining old Ares hardware to fit SLS

The ML1 refit is going to take even longer

>>15666847
>Free up space
KSC has a ton more capacity unused, ditto Vandenberg

>>15666739
The TROPICS missions were always planned as the end of Rocket 3, with LV0012 the last produced. The loss of TROPICS-1 due to the upper stage leaking fuel made the shutdown happen early.

>>15666655

>>15666703
NET October but can still happen this year

>>15666655
>>15666881
Anons woke up after a 15 years of coma.

>>15666770
If you want to know suffering, I get nothing but Mr. Beast and the like suggestions since I've moved.

Jeets are disgusting. I will not redeem the moon landing ticket.

Imagine the delta-V

>>15666847
only meme rockets will launch from alcântara
it has no future as a space port

>>15666897
Imagine the explosion when it inevitably fails

>>15666897
this meme made me wonder
what is the efficiency difference of launching the whole thing in a single launch vs multiple launches then docking in orbit?

>>15666918
what do you mean by efficiency?

>>15666655
FUCKING SHUUUUT UUUUUP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UUUUUUUP

>>15666805
Good luck to them

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1691428850511519744

Felon Mollusk will never be as based as this man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcEddXYU-Pg

Why doesn't someone rebuild Goddards rocket and rig it up with modern avionics? we know it work.

>>15666925
mainly money and chance of success

>>15666968
Based and faith of the heart pilled
pendulum rockets work, as evidenced by LES towers existing

>>15666992
How fucked is BO if the maiden flight of new glenn goes terrible

>>15666996
no more than they are currently which is very much fucked compared to their stated ambitions

>>15666847
>sending your rockets by slow boat to Brasil
Yeah, no, even if hueistan doesn't apply their usual tariffs designed to force local manufacturing

>>15666992
still too slow
fuck environmentalists
fuck ESGhound
fuck FAA
fuck

Lunar mission update

>Luna-25 landing date: Aug 21
>Chandrayaan-3 landing date: Aug 23
>Russia starts new space data processing agency https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2023-08-13/russian-scientists-started-processing-data-received-on-luna-25-craft-space-agency
>Roscosmos invites CNSA staff to Moscow
https://twitter.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1691370619844399105
>Roscosmos is understood to have signed a MOU for collaboration with CNSA on Luna-26 polar orbiter

>>15667024
russia started the space race, and now they will finish it

>>15667024
anything on SLIM? it will launch soon

>>15667024
Wake me up when it lands, then we can talk.

>>15667029
I just want someone to do I dont even care who anymore

>>15666800
>Used to be
https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/11/satellite_hacking_black_hat/

Astronaut to grifter pipeline

>>15667044
astronaut is a great gig. literally untouchable

>>15667024
>Russia bending over, Uncle Xi to go in dry

>>15667050
Unless you're Lisa Nowak, the biggest embarrassment in the history of the program

Atlas, Thor (later Delta), Jupiter, and Saturn I/IB all used the same first stage engines (LR-79 family)

>>15667055
>and she was given full custody of their three children

NASA's VIPER is gonna get closer to the lunar water than both the indian and russian landers!

>>15667055
qrd?

>>15667079
just read the wikipedia page

>>15667075
not if luna's engine fucks up and splatters further south

>>15667075
>Rover to moon
>430 kg mass
>Rover to Mars
>1025 kg mass
Huh?

>>15667024
It would be nice if China/Russia/India cooperated more, but the distrust maybe too much. China->Russia has distrust. India->China has distrust.

>>15667079
Crazy Lesbo I believe

In hindsight, why did we pick Constellation over this?
https://www.nasa.gov/pdf/361842main_15%20-%20Augustine%20Sidemount%20Final.pdf

>>15667086
CLPS isn't exactly a well thought out program. Nelson was complaining how China is sending 3 big landers and we're only sending tiny ones.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydQgtvOAOMk&pp=ygUPbmFzYSBoZWFkIGNoaW5h

>>15667086
but yes i agree we should at least put a rover in one of the shadowed areas not a small probe

>>15667090
you're overestimating the trust between Russia and China, let alone india

>>15666989
LES towers have a counterweight at the top to prevent them from being a pendulum

>>15667097
>you're overestimating the trust between Russia and China, let alone india
No, I think I'm where I should be. There's great distrust between the 3 nations, yet at the same time, they all would benefit immesely if they cooperated.

>>15667099
>LES towers have a counterweight at the top to prevent them from being a pendulum
this nigga fell for the reverse rocket pendulum fallacy.

Ofc, if everyone collab'd in space we'd be much further along but politics always gets in the way doesn't it? let me just put it this way, relations between them can sour pretty quickly in a way that no NATO country and us would ever (see sino-soviet split)

there's a reason why they only tentatively sign these 'agreements', also Russia still considers itself ahead of China in space exploration

>>15667100
They would each benefit more by cooperating with the US

>>15667104
>if everyone collab'd in space we'd be much further along
i doubt it. the projects that even within a single country have more participating parties turn out worse and slower.

>>15667096
We're sending tiny ones because we only have the budget for tiny ones

That said, it's enabling a much more distributed investigation since orbital measurements aren't good enough for future moonbase siting

>>15667107
>become US's vassal and you'll benefit from US
I dont think they want that.

>>15667099
I know I was just fooling around. Typically depleted uranium is used right? Plus it doesn’t have to be stable like a real booster rocket; it just needs to boogie the hell out in a few seconds

>>15667104
>Would ever
Hahaha fuck you France

>>15667117
>We're sending tiny ones because we only have the budget for tiny ones
nonsense. just build a bigger lander. just do it.
you're acting like bigger metal box has an impact on cost when we're talking about hundreds of millions anyway

>>15667095
Astronauts didn't want an unmanned shuttlestack for fear of getting grounded.

noospace startup:
>we're gonna make space cheap
same noospace startup:
>i think one spool of this wire is like 5000 dollars

>>15667133
Maybe they should stop trying to exist in California.

>>15667134
California or not they all source their parts from McMaster-Carr like that Varda guy

>>15667086
Mars missions are high budget to keep JPL fed. CLPS is cheap shit on smaller rockets.

>>15667133
https://youtu.be/LrkEc2V3mO4

>>15667122
laughs in RL-10

>>15667133
it's either spend 5000 dollars for a spool of that wire or spend 100000 dollars for a team to take half a year to run all the simulations and tests needed to know you only need to spend 1000 dollars on a less robust spool of wire
it only makes sense if you plan on scaling up massively which is why SpaceX does it, but most other launch providers don't have that ambition

>>15667143
it's just common sense. buy copper jacketed with silicone and just use it. no special testing no aerospace certification just slap that shit on.
why do you think any of this is necessary?

https://payloadspace.com/spacex-files-its-starship-mishap-report-to-the-faa/

>>15667143
and Boing still got it wrong with some fucking tape

>>15667150
>No aerospace certification
NASA has a rather extensive list of materials banned from use in spaceflight by its contractors for very good reasons

>>15667158
grift?

>>15667159
Verified failure modes, like cold welding

>>15667024
>Luna crash
>Chinese guy slowly leaving the room

>>15667161
Are low temperature o-rings, high wind, and 100% O2 atmospheres part of that list??

>>15667150
company A tells me that they tested their product at extreme cold and extreme heat and in vacuum and is willing to sign a contract saying they'll pay in case their product is the point of failure
company B provides a cheaper product and I am the one who accepts all responsibility in case the product fails and we lose a multi-billion dollar payload
this is a universal truth that you need to understand: accepting liability has value

>>15667158
you should kill yourself immediately. this not a nasa contract we're talking about but a GEO satellite.
it should have the same amount of certification as a commercial electrical installation in a building of comparable value. everything else is bloat.
i agree some things might not be immediately obvious that they wouldn't work in space but basic bitch copper sheathed with polymer isn't one of them.
additionally all of these companies do thermal vacuum testing on their integrated spacecraft anyway.
there should be zero reason to use aerospace grade scam wires.

>>15667095
eager released a video on that a few days ago

>>15667164
you're so, so lost if you honestly not even question the amount of retarded shit that drives up costs.
go work at boeing building aircraft out of exquisite materials with that sweet deferred liability and have them still crash due to retarded untested software.

>>15667164
they buy ten thousand tons of steel plate to build container ships.
the steel is guaranteed to meet certain specifications by the manufacturer.
cost of liability is not the reason aerospace has scam prices. it's retarded people like you who try to find plausible sounding excuses instead of doing something about it.

>>15667161
sounds like absolute bullshit

>>15667174
get a real job and learn a bit about how huge companies work
companies, which are extremely efficient at reducing cost, will still pay out of the ass to offload liability wherever possible
even internally, a company would rather hire a manager to take responsibility for a project being late than hire a couple workers to make the project on time
nobody wants to take responsibility for somebody else's work which is why project managers exist to begin with. I bet you are one of those "what do CEOs even do?" people.

>>15667124
And yet they were grounded anyway because we lost interest in the shuttle program. At least a capsule would have been safer, all of the human rated orbital spacecraft flying today have a cargo variant anyway.

>>15667181
I'm sure you know why it's easier for a company to guarantee that their product will work in ambient conditions on earth than it is to guarantee it will work in a spaceship

>>15667095
we really should've

https://twitter.com/payloadspace/status/1691553439418048874

Shuttle C to Jupiter IV pipeline that's what we should've gotten

>>15667222
https://payloadspace.com/spacex-files-its-starship-mishap-report-to-the-faa/

> “When a final mishap report is approved, it will identify the corrective actions SpaceX must make. Separately, SpaceX must modify its license to incorporate those actions before receiving authorization to launch again,” the FAA said in a statement.

>The review of the report, including any decisions on changes SpaceX must make before the next Starship launch, is still ongoing.

>A long time coming: SpaceX delayed submitting the final report for months while it implemented significant changes to both the launch vehicle and pad. The most significant modification was the installation of a water deluge system, which is designed to shoot out water from underneath the orbital launch mount (OLM) to diffuse the energy of the Raptor engines and protect the pad’s foundation.

> The water deluge system aims to prevent the scattering of rock and sand particles over miles of surrounding areas—a problem that plagued Starship’s April test flight.
> On Aug. 6, the company successfully tested the system during a Starship Booster static fire. The demonstration turned the fire from the Raptor engines into steam, which appeared to create a cleaner, quieter, and shorter plume.

>Another significant to-do for SpaceX was modifying Starship’s flight termination system (FTS), which took 40 seconds after initiation to explode Starship during the test. SpaceX tested its upgraded FTS on a booster at the Massey test facility in Texas, but has not revealed further details.

>Going forward: The FAA did not provide a specific timeline for its review process, leaving the timeframe for potential approval up in the air. SpaceX will need the go-ahead from the FAA before it launches again.

>Elon Musk said in mid-June that he was targeting Starship’s second orbital launch test in six to eight weeks, which will slip to the right, but since then has been quiet on the timing of another launch.

>>15667222
>Shit blew up, yo - E

https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/

could these launch simultaneously? would be pretty based

>>15667233
Nah, SX always does this and then delays one of them

https://europeanspaceflight.com/arianespace-to-launch-europes-final-mission-of-2023-aboard-vega-in-september/

>>15666767
temperature and molecular weight

>>15667241
It will fail

>>15667222
>Eric Berger @SciGuySpace
>I think a September launch is possible. I'm not predicting that, but SpaceX is certainly acting like that is possible.

Thread theme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3nC2dCZh6Y

If Starship launches on October 14th they would be directly in the path of a solar eclipse https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/eclipses/2023/oct-14-annular/where-when/

>>15667090
asia is ripe for a country that can open itself up to closely collaborating with russia/india/iran/china/etc. the UAE might be it, but we've already seen the US cracking down on them when they wanted to work with china, so it's gotta be a country that isnt so reliant on the west.

>>15667249
AAAAAAAHHHHGFUJGEYJDYY IMAGINE HOW FUCKING KINO VGH

>>15667249
first successful orbital flight of the rocket that transforms spaceflight forever

>>15667248
Counter point: the only queen autist song I like
https://youtu.be/m5H-YlcMSbc

>>15667249
It would be an annular eclipse, so it wouldn’t be dark but this would be kino

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr5IV14pYu8

>>15667271
Hell yeah that goes hard

New rogg
>New rogg
New rogg
>New rogg
https://twitter.com/shasta721/status/1645572937473490946

>>15667267
Regardless of launch status, 100% chance they get it stacked and get kino shots from john kraus

anyone want to play ksp multiplayer together

>>15667278
funky

>>15667278
This photo is actually older at this point, and it’s probably some sort of concretion or precipitation structure or something. Still super kino

>>15667278
obviously some sort of alien device buried in the sands eons ago

>>15667281
it has multiplayer now? Also I have 300 hours but still cant design a return mission to Duna and back. Sent a guy to Eve a long time ago but RIP.
tons of stuff on mun and minus though
Also
>pic related
is probably why

>>15667303
I just eyeball everything and genocide kerbals

>>15667303
theres a multiplayer mod
works relatively well
>300 hours but still cant design a return mission to Duna and back
can you dock?
I'm currently working on an Eve surface return mission

>>15667331
>can you dock?
ages ago, Id have to redo the tutorial, but I made a little refueling station around LKO once, and Ive rescued a kerbal trapped in orbit once. Got a new pc recently so getting back into it after a couple years
I know an Eve return mission is the "final boss" of the game, so good luck

>>15667337
once you can dock you can pretty much go anywhere, duna should become much easier
just copy what nasa was doing with constellation
>I know an Eve return mission is the "final boss" of the game, so good luck
thank you, been preparing a lot. heres my "mothership" for the mission. Gilly lander in the payload bay, all stock. Inspiration from Havoc

starship fuel depots are going to be massive. they'll dwarf the iss and other planned space stations.

>>15667055
literally nothing happened to her and she's wild in bed

>>15667362
>just copy what nasa was doing with constellation
just quickly looked at the mission map, huh. Lol I have a lot to work on, doing science mode in a new playthrough so Ill work up to it
>all stock parts
thats extremely comforting, but what texture mod are you using?

>>15667337
docking is easy
>both craft must have decent reaction wheel, docking craft ideally should have RCS aligned around center of mass with docking port along a main axis, high level pilot or high quality probe core helps for locking
>launch Spacecraft on same inclination as station, ideally as close as possible when station is overhead
>play a bit with maneuver node to get an intercept, ideally only use prograde-retrograde at first, remember, if spacecraft is in front of station on the orbit, you can increase periapsis get "get behind" station, if behind, you can decrease periapsis to "get in front" of station, It's a bit counterintuitive, but it's kepler's 2nd law.
>once you have intercept, wait for closest approach, take station as target, now your prograde and retrograde on the navball are relative to the target, not the planet, thrust retrograde up until relative velocity is 0 m/s
>now lock on target and thrust forward toward target (pink crosshair on navball) at moderate speed, wait/warp until you get a second, closer closest approach, then thrust retrograde and get 0 m/s relative velocity again, your two crafts should be at sighting distance of each other
>Switch to station, right click on docking port on "control from", now your navball is centered on the docking port, now rigjt click on docking port of the other spacecraft and use "take as target", your target is the specific docking port, now lock on target (pink circle) without RCS
>Switch to spacecraft, do same with the spacecraft's docking port and the station's docking port
>your spacecraft and station are now aligned, you just have to slighty thrust forward and docking should be automatic.

RCS isn't even necessary that way, but can make final approach easier.

Final boss of the game is the grand tour.
Eve return used to be very hard in pre 1.0, now not so much.

>>15667337
docking is easy
>both craft must have decent reaction wheel, docking craft ideally should have RCS aligned around center of mass with docking port along a main axis, high level pilot or high quality probe core helps for locking
>launch Spacecraft on same inclination as station, ideally as close as possible when station is overhead
>play a bit with maneuver node to get an intercept, ideally only use prograde-retrograde at first, remember, if spacecraft is in front of station on the orbit, you can increase apoapsis get "get behind" station, if behind, you can decrease periapsis to "get in front" of station, It's a bit counterintuitive, but it's kepler's 2nd law.
>once you have intercept, wait for closest approach, take station as target, now your prograde and retrograde on the navball are relative to the target, not the planet, thrust retrograde up until relative velocity is 0 m/s
>now lock on target and thrust forward toward target (pink crosshair on navball) at moderate speed, wait/warp until you get a second, closer closest approach, then thrust retrograde and get 0 m/s relative velocity again, your two crafts should be at sighting distance of each other
>Switch to station, right click on docking port on "control from", now your navball is centered on the docking port, now rigjt click on docking port of the other spacecraft and use "take as target", your target is the specific docking port, now lock on target (pink circle) without RCS
>Switch to spacecraft, do same with the spacecraft's docking port and the station's docking port
>your spacecraft and station are now aligned, you just have to slighty thrust forward and docking should be automatic.

RCS isn't even necessary that way, but can make final approach easier.

Final boss of the game is the grand tour.
Eve return used to be very hard in pre 1.0, now not so much

>>15667371
They won't exist. they'll stick one tanker up there for HLS. The stripped down version of the mars colonization that eventually happens will have a small handful of tankers. And every other mission is leo and doesn't require them

people who pronounce it “leo” also drink whole milk
It’s annunciated: L-E-O

>>15667381
>a lot to work on
i mean its possible to do it apollo style, or even starship style but idk why the constellation program scratches some larping itch in me. I mean im doing a havoc style mission so
>what texture mod are you using?
None if you are asking about the craft, those are custom flag parts to get the correct textures
I'm also using Eve volumetric + parallax + tufx + a whole bunch of other visual mods

>>15667398
What a strange insult, I didn't know lactose intolerant mutts posted here.

>>15667241
>final flight of the year
>August

>>15667388
going to save your post anon thanks
>>15667399
gotcha, apollo style seems more doable, my new pc is finally nice so I can splurge on some texture mods for once

Los Dos basically confirmed that the Raptor shutdown issue was due to low pressure while spinning up. New start sequence for these Raptors.
Raptor is fine yo

>>15667398
>>15667408
Wait yeah I take it back, they drink fat free or almond milk

>>15667398
/ˈnʲiskaJ̯ə ˌokəɫɐˈzʲemnaJ̯ə ɐrˈbʲitə/

>>15667388
>Final boss of the game is the grand tour.
I've dicked around the Kerbin system for years and can easily get around without maneuver nodes (start burning for the Mun once it rises above the horizon) but I cannot do interplanetary without Mechjeb. How can I get this done easily?

>scientists have discovered a fifth force of nature
implications for spaceflight?

>>15667426
https://ksp.olex.biz/
after you get this down start principia
then rp1+principia

>>15667226
two weeks
captcha: STAHP

>>15667249
I'm in the part of Texas where this is the warm-up for April.

https://twitter.com/lexfridman/status/1691547357299585024

seems to be getting kind of fit?

Is it wise to create a startup around the possibility that your product can only fit into an upcoming vehicle that hasn’t been fully tested yet?

>>15667437
paige. hill. is. scum. Got it?

>>15667445
>man feet
some things should never be shared

>>15667446
its based

>>15667446
yea

>>15667417
Too late. Saying "leo" to refer to low earth orbit is now the exclusive domain of whole milk chads.

>>15667445
Cute gay couple.

>>15667446
As they say in the tech world, if your business depends on a platform you don't own, you don't have a business

>Restart RSS career
>Have to spend dozens of hours grinding sounding rocket contracts now
Goddamnit

>>15667467
??? i moved onto V2 style pretty quickly. Didnt muck around with sounding rockets too much
are you playing on the new rp1?

>>15667467
Fuck the spaceplane contracts
Fuck everything about the flight model in KSP

>>15667471
I cannot continue my career if Jeb dies. He is the Chuck Yeager/Alan Shepard/John Glenn/Neil Armstrong of my playthroughz

>>15667462
Its called male friendship. Something the faggots and trannies have ruined.

>>15667492
that same anon probably think frodo and sam were gay

Imagine a yaoi space race anime…

>>15667492
It's the body language. It's gay.

>>15667496
I don't read fantasy.
But, no. Straight men can be close friends with other straight men. No problem with it.
Don't let women discourage you from forming relations like that.

>>15667044
Made me remember when Buzz punched that one fucker right in the face. Ahhh that old coot still has it even in retirement.

reading the spacex rideshare payload user manual is giving me anxiety. there's so much analysis you gotta do for your smallsat.
https://storage.googleapis.com/rideshare-static/Rideshare_Payload_Users_Guide.pdf

So is Lockheed's new missile basically literally just Electron?

>>15667398
the word you were looking for is "enunciated" and even that doesn't make sense in the sentence you tard

>>15667517
If Electron was all solids, suborbital and had no payload, then yes

>>15667446
when elon is making it yea

>>15667398
I don't drink milk

>>15667524
Well, let me amend that, NGI is going to have "on-demand Brilliant Pebbles" since it can target more than one threat so maybe it will be an air defense Electron

>>15667524
oh I didn't realise it was solids I just saw the picture

>>15667515
space is hard H A R D

>>15667515
That isn't even analysis of the smallsat working, that's analysis SpaceX requires to guarantee you won't fuck up their rocket

Remember when Artemis I delayed for like fifty bajillion years and yet multiple retard companies STILL missed the deadline to have their meme cubesats ready on time

>>15667540
They're the lucky ones, didn't like 80% of the rideshares fail (including sadly the based Japanese lunar lander)

>>15667540
At that point you should just close up shop lol

>>15667426
>Mechjeb
You didnt actually fly it nor land it

>>15667560
just like a real rocket

>>15667568
bad attitude

So does anyone know what's going on with Not-Apophis?

>play game
>install mod to skip core gameplay

>>15667626
WAY too much uncertainty, but the calculated peak of probability of closest approach has already been passed.

>>15667625
>bad attitude

>>15667632

>>15667637
is this and the kimono clear and the starship clear all the same anon?

>>15667637
Rocket Itasha WILL be commonplace in the future.

>>15667647
There's several clear posters. I mainly make webms.

>>15667649

>>15667429
two more weeks

>>15667649
>Itasha
Dumb weeb

https://old.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/15s5g0o/elon_musk_thinks_hes_a_brilliant_rocket_scientist/

>>15667649
nah there will be only tasteful pinups and nose art

Spin start system got fired again on the OLM.
>>15667680
(you).

>>15667695
timestamp?

>>15667695
it's over

>>15667700

>>15667707
Medium Confidence Heavy Lift Launch Vehicle when?

>>15667707
I would have gone all "NOOOOO THINK OF THE RS-25S THEY BELONG IN A MUSEUMMM" but here we are today.

>>15667716
Yep. It's over.

Tail-end of a second firing about a minute ago

>>15667726
Now it's really over

https://youtu.be/cmXw6xY_WcY

>>15667718
After SpaceX gets past the "YOLO Heavy Lift Vehicle" phase.

>>15667531
>>15667517
For context Electron is smaller than GBI.

>>15667739

>>15667632
Underrated

>>15667739
The NGMI

>>15667719
They were still actively building SSMEs back then so there wouldn't have been a need.

>>15667766
Whoever wrote this sucks at statistics, look at all those outliers and tell me that fit curve makes sense

How powerful will the DRACO engine be?

I don’t know the stats or all the engineering/physics behind this, but I assume it’s surely won’t be getting to mars in 30 days?

How good would sending something like this to the moon be?

For example, launch a dragon on top of a regular falcon 9,have it dock with the DRACO, and attach a lander and have it go to the moon


Is this possible with NTP, foregoing all the expensive SLS shit?

>>15667515
Smallsat bros status?

>>15667515
It's honestly not too terrible. Even if the launch provider didn't require them, virtually all of the tests/analyses listed are necessary to ensure a working spacecraft. If a group can't carry them out, they shouldn't be sending anything to orbit.

>>15667718
Low Confidence Super Heavy Lift Vehicle

>>15667753
Move the left one around so it says "big" please

>>15667766
[X] I'm in this picture and I don't like it

>>15667814
NTP sucks cock for Earth-Mars runs because you can't take off from, aerobrake into, or land on either planet. If you want to use nukes for Mars send nuclear power generators for surface use as payload in a chemical rocket.

DRACO is being funded by DARPA because high endurance impulsive maneuvering inside Earth's Hill sphere, aka orbital warfare, is something NTP does a LOT better than chemical.

>>15666897
What in the Kerbal Space Program is this monstrosity

>>15666770
>>15666766
I'm ok with my feed, I mean it is not 100% perfect but it's not 90% garbage either
feel free to judge my homepage suggestions

>A few more RBQD tests were conducted tonight.
what's RBQD?

>>15668037
raptor-something-quick-disconnect
raptor boost?

>>15668037
Retarded Big Queer Democrats

>>15668029
Based + literally me. On the topic of Aerospace-tubers, are there any consistently high quality uploaders (other than Hullo and Eager)?

Today luna-25 should reach moon orbit

>>15668029
I really miss when the Technology Connections guy talked about cool old toasters. He's still got the occasional hit, but it feels like more than half his videos these days are heat exchangers of some kind and energy efficiency and his waffling opinions thereof, with Midwestern Liberal politics sprinkled throughout.
I think COVID quarantine drove the poor dude crazy.

>>15668029
Are you m-
>tanc a lelek
Literally me

>>15667398
You are correct.
t. pronounces it as "leo" and drinks whole milk straight from the bottle.

>>15668122
He's getting too invested in stuff he's angry about.

>>15667398
I drink whole, raw, unpasteurized milk from local farmer
you sound like you drink Es-Oh-Ay milk

starlinks tomorrow

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/08/how-a-5-year-old-spacex-photo-fueled-maui-wildfire-conspiracy-theorists/

>>15668153
kek

>>15668153
sorry guys that's out Italian laser sat again
t. jew

>>15666695
article about this

https://spacenews.com/darpa-to-study-integrated-lunar-infrastructure/

> DARPA announced the 10-Year Lunar Architecture, or LunA-10, project Aug. 15, seeking ideas from both potential developers or lunar power, communications, navigation and other infrastructure as well as users of such capabilities. The agency plans to select a group that will then work together on “new integrated system-level solutions that span multiple services” and be commercially available by 2035, it said in a release.

> DARPA is soliciting three-page abstracts that are due Sept. 6. The agency will then request 10-page white papers and technical presentations from some of those who submitted abstracts, which will be due Sept. 25. DARPA plans to select those who will work on the study at the fall meeting of the Lunar Surface Innovation Consortium (LSIC), scheduled for Oct. 10–11 in Pittsburgh.

> Nayak said the goal of LunA-10 is to present an “80% product” of the study at the April 2024 meeting of LSIC, to show “some things that the community can go think about and show our work.” A final report is due in June 2024.

>>15668158
>>15666695

https://www.darpa.mil/news-events/2023-08-15

Nobody talking about asstra finally dying?

>>15668160
they're still working on rocket 4, just doing some trimming back is all

>>15668160
There are only so many ways to gloat about something you called years ago.

>>15667222
https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/08/let-the-review-begin-spacex-takes-another-step-toward-launching-starship-again/

ars article, no new info but a bit more comprehensive mention of relevant stuff

>>15668158
If the batteries were replaced could the old Apollo lunar rovers still function after all these years?

>>15668160
they have been dying for a long time

>>15666738
https://spacenews.com/astra-seeks-strategic-investors-as-cash-reserves-decrease/

> As expected, Astra reported Aug. 14 revenue of $0.7 million in the second quarter and an adjusted earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization (EBITDA) loss of $33.1 million. The company ended the quarter with $26.3 million of cash and equivalents on hand.

> The company’s financial runway is diminishing even as the company finds new sources of capital, such as a loan announced Aug. 4 that will provide Astra with $10.8 million and plans announced in July to sell up to $65 million in Astra stock in an “at-the-market” transaction. The company forecasted an adjusted EBITDA loss of $25 million to $29 million in the third quarter, ending the quarter with $15 million to $20 million of cash and equivalents on hand.

they still have a like a quarter of runway, the lona + selling 65 mil of stock sales and cutting workforce etc might mean they still have like a year
so they are dying, but they have been dying for years
they will slowly bleed to death before finally going bankrupt

>>15668160
you mean surviving

>>15668037
raptor booster quick disconnect?
it's the thing that spins up the outer engines from the OLM, seeing as they only need to do so on the launch pad

>>15666764
Men in Black don't report to Biden. They report to the Shadow President.

>>15667181
Sea is easy.
Space is hard.

>>15668169
Rocket 4 was always going to be 2024 if it ever launched at all.

>>15667222
there's a good chance we get a launch in April or even slightly sooner

VGH

New Luna-25 photo just dropped. Also today Luna-25 should reach Moon's orbit

>>15668211
Finally someone didn't bother with those meme super efficient trajectories.

>>15668211
when?

Do you think that "Moon hoax" would ever be a thing if NASA never canceled Apollo program and set up a Lunar base? On the level of conspiracy theories, it's probably around JFK or 9/11, meaning that many people won't think you're a complete nut job if you share it. But if you say shit like "Earth is flat" or "space isn't real" outside of those circles, nobody treats you seriously. Well, maybe excluding soicence debunkers. Partially because we send stuff and people to space quite frequently

URGENT Starship question:
Would cheaper payload tonnage and a higher payload capacity cause astroonomers/engineerfags to shit out telescopes with massive lenses, OR would they sit on their asses?

This question has been really bothering me and I don't know the economics of or maximum capacity of the satellite manufacturing process per country.
t. Exoplanet Enjoyer

>>15668234
In the long perspective, yes. They could just focus on instruments instead of autistically minimizing size and weight.

>>15668220
In 1976, Gallup poll reported that 28% of american doubted the moon landing, less than 4 years after. Apollo 17.

https://www.newspapers.com/image/253808603/?terms=28%25&match=1

Kaysing's book may not have released but the continued expenses of Apollo would probably seem suspicious in its own, different way, at the time of national self doubt and economic crisis of the mid 70s.

Remember that a majority consistently opposed apollo when cost are mentioned, and all these polls were before the oil crisis.

I think moon landing hoax would still exist but would be more niche, but the moon base just wouldn't survive the 70s politically.

Maybe you'd see people believe in the moon base just to cancel it, then turn around later and start believing it never happened.

a datacenter on the moon would sell like hotcakes

>>15668166
Yes

>>15668258
No it would be retarded. What do you need a datacenter on the moon for?
It would certainly be way more expensive than one on earth.

https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/spacetech/niac/2020_Phase_I_Phase_II/Direct_Multipixel_Imaging_and_Spectroscopy_of_an_Exoplanet/

>The solar gravitational lens (SGL) is characterized by remarkable properties: it offers brightness amplification of up to a factor of ~1e11 (at 1 um) and extreme angular resolution (~1e-10 arcsec). As such, it allows for extraordinary observational capabilities for direct high-resolution imaging and spectroscopy of Earth-like exoplanets.

>Under a Phase II NIAC program, we confirmed that a mission to the strong interference region of the SGL (beyond 547.6 AU) carrying a meter-class telescope with a solar coronagraph would directly image a habitable Earth-like exoplanet within our stellar neighborhood. For an exo-Earth at 30 pc, the telescope could measure the brightness of the Einstein ring formed by the exoplanet’s light around the Sun. Even in the presence of the solar corona, the SNR is high enough that in 6 months of integration time one can reconstruct the exoplanet image with ~25 km-scale surface resolution, enough to see surface features and signs of habitability.

Hope I get to see this in my lifetime...

>>15668259
> hundreds of lunar thermal cycles

>>15668268
>550 AU
never going to happen

>>15668265
Not to mention that silky smooth latency

>>15668265
good way to heat a moonbase

>>15668251
Any continued Apollo would get fiscally raped in the mid 70s,no matter the president.

>>15668265
Evade globohomo censorship. You can beam FBI crime stats directly at earth and no one can stop you.

>>15668284
WAY too close, you want to put it on mars at least to evade globhomo.

>>15668271
>Pluto is at 30-50 AU
>Voyager 1 is at 160 AU
It would take decades just to get to 550 AU.

>>15668295
Plasma Magnet solves this.

>>15668271
Let's shoot for the stars with this one: Not even with asspull meme-tech and unreasonably high public support?

>>15668271
Yeah, no ones gonna fork out that much $ for a telescope that can look at one and only one target . Its more likely that interferometry + quantum optics will do the needful
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/quantum-astronomy-could-create-telescopes-hundreds-of-kilometers-wide/

Never saw this one, but at 70%, Cooperation with USSR/Russia was one of the most popular aspect of american space exploration from the 80s to the mid 90s

>>15668278
They should just cut welfare. What's the point of spending a quarter of the federal budget on health if there's no universal access?

>>15668265
>What do you need a datacenter on the moon for?
Offsite backups.

Did Luna-25 failed?

>>15668330
Yep. It crashed into Cupola around Earth on launch like every other rocket ever created

>>15668265
Hijacking this, is there a practical usecase for running a massive gigabrain Skynet server/computational load in space? If you had the proper orbit you would have total sunlight for solar energy, and the opposite side would be in total darkness to dump all that heat. I guess latency would be an issue, as well as bitflips.

>>15668271
>>15668295
>>15668301
>>15668305
Just use a 200 ton nuclear upper stage inside a stripped-down Starship.

>>15668312
Half the country is on Medicaid, Medicare or gov-subsidized health insurance already and the numbers are only going up. Healthcare spending and social security are the last things that will ever be cut.

>>15668354
The big problem with le gravity focus telescope meme is that you have to build one for every target you're interested in. The only thing that might justify it is following up detection of unambiguously artificial radio signals coming from a star system

>>15668330
>Insertion at 9:00
>Unconfirmed report on NK forum that it succeeded at 10:30
>No news at all at 12:00

>>15668363
North Korean forum?

>>15668367
novosti kosmonavtiki
THE russian space forum anon

>>15668363
I don't understand why Russia doesn't have a live video feed from their mission control during critical mission events like NASA or ESA or ISRO does. It's like they're ashamed of this mission and trying to hide it.

>>15668368
(which for some reason is down now)

https://twitter.com/katlinegrey/status/1691784164469547079
>Insiders say, #Luna25 has successfully entered the lunar orbit. There is no official announcement from Roscosmos yet.

Some hopium

What happened to the hot staging ring that was at Masseys?

Have you seen Fired on Mars? It's about a midwit who gets fired from his company, while being on Mars.

>>15668380
They've tested it with the rams and are continuing to test it.

>>15668378
Amazing that the Russian public has to rely on anonymous insiders to see how their civilian space missions are doing

>>15668363
But for all doubters I should say that all problems with Russian spacecrafts are leaked next minute something happens. Like during Nauka module launch. Roscosmos was silent but many sources within Roscosmos reported about it being stuck on orbit

>>15668299
>popscience.jpg

>>15668378
Well at least it did better than Fobos Grunt.
But entering lunar orbit is not the hard part.

If they got this far, entering lunar orbit should be almost impossible to fuck up unless something catastrophic happened which will be immediately obvious. We'll know very soon unless Roscosmos actually tries to cover things up.

>>15668373
They need to lob those Rogozin bombs from time to time.

>>15668381
never heard of it but I'm pretty much certain I know how it goes
>MC is awkward young white guy whose main character trait is that he's awkward
>loses his job because this one small mistake due to hijinks
>tries to explain but angry old white manager man doesn't care and sacks him anyway
>rich CEO Jeff Musk is idiot who doesn't know anything about anything and just parties all day
>rich CEO Jeff Musk stops by to do something stupid that might kill everyone
>sassy rebel dark skinned girl boss badass saves everyone with help of awkward MC

>>15668271
not with conventional chemical rockets, NTR or stuff like hall effect thrusters
but with magnetic sails + dynamic soaring then its feasible as long as that shit works

CONFIRMED

>>15668373
Throwback to gommunism. Never advertise your failures, so don't show any footage until well after the fact. China does the same.

>>15668414
Classic Roscosmos' 3 hours delay

>>15666730
Pushing to challenge SpaceX HLS development. Lets hope it does.

>>15668342
what’s with the RCA patch in the pic

>>15668414
Nice, so far so good

>>15668414
Does Russia have a deep space network equivalent covering the globe?

>>15668394
Behead those who insult Jeff Greason

>>15668416
>Never advertise your failures
You can't really do that anymore though. Every western space agency no doubt has radio telescopes and long range optics tracking everything Luna-25 does. If there's a failure it makes more sense for Russia to just own up to it quickly and publicly so they have more control over the narrative. Then again, a lot of stuff Russia did in the Ukraine invasion didn't make sense either so maybe I shouldn't expect them to think like westerners do.

>>15668424
From the other thread, they actually have bigger antennas but they probably don't have 360 degree global coverage like NASA DSN does. Shouldn't make much difference though because they can time mission critical events to occur when the Moon is visible from Russia.

>>15668414
>orbit
*yawn* who cares. orbit is the easiest part of the whole mission.

>>15668419
payload specialist, he worked for RCA and it was their satellite

>>15668342
Amazing how so many of The Stig's family were astronauts.

>>15668444
That’s sweet. I like the idea of a company sending up a satellite and an associated astronaut lol
By the way, comcrew came with the option of sending up a company crew member with one of the flights. SX denied the option. Boeing, I believe, is still considering sending up a boeing employee at some point on starliner

>>15668428
Old habits are hard to break.

>>15668449
>TONIGHT
>James premixes methane and oxygen
>Hammond barely fits in a soyuz
>I wear a hat
>And the Stig launches with cold o-rings

>>15668342
Cooling seems a problem
Better to use a planetary body as heat sink.
Saturn onward will give you near-limitless dense atmospheres at 100k or less.

>>15668436
An engine explosion or a misaligned spacecraft during orbit insertion would have been extremely humiliating and possible. It's not like Russia has any recent experience doing this kind of stuff with a spacecraft they built themselves.

>>15668459
Their recent experience in large spacecraft maneuvering is the best in the world...

>>15668461
>Nauka.jpg
>Almost destroyed the ISS when the attitude thrusters just switched on unexpectedly
You mean't to include an /s right?

>>15668461
>Their recent experience in large spacecraft maneuvering is the best in the world...
True, no one else could have spun the ISS as a initiation for a new module

>>15668465
>>15668464
Experience is experience
The chinese are second best.

>>15668454

>>15668451
Well SpaceX is sending up two employees on Polaris Dawn.

>>15668461

>>15668472
Yeah but that’s unrelated to the comcrew option. But you are right. Both employees are cute, too

>planetary mass unnatural satellite

>>15668378
WAGMI bros
we're halfway there

>>15668473

>>15668454
CLAAARKSON!

>>15668482
Kek

>>15668479
>And in two weeks' time you'll meet those who'd like to mine the planet Jupiter — and then take over the Galaxy.
TWO WEEKS

>>15668482
Honestly there's no way you could drill into the hull at any point during the mission without it reverberating through the station and everybody hearing it.
I believe the NASA story that it was drilled and epoxied before launch.

>“You guarantee me that we have timed the Free Bird guitar solo to start right at T-0, right?”

>>15668492
Extremely based launch site boomers.

>>15668492
Is Free Bird some new FOTM meme?

>>15668475
Yeah

>>15668492
lol

Documentary on Alan Bond and the development of the HOTOL and SKYLON
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ_a21fPkYM

>>15668461
>>15668499
https://youtu.be/tvkxupwbFLk

>>15668514
I didn't know it could do that. Pretty awesome actually. They could do this to generate artificial gravity to prevent bone decay and other space sickness.

>>15668532
It’s not supposed to do that, and spinning it anywhere near 1g would probably break it

>>15668519
the absolute raw power of energia, good grief. It mogs a ton of other rockets

So Russia just achieved the same USSR did in 1959. Big if true

>>15668535
Better than not doing anything

Bros…

>>15668538
Space mommy

>>15668538
She has a masculine face.

>>15668535
This is all just a repeat of the 1960s and 1970s Moon stuff. Wake me up when Artemis 2 takes astronauts around the Moon which indicates we've reached 1968 again.

>>15668534
Aesthetically speaking, Buran has trace amounts of the much-coveted "kino" mixed with the right amount of Soviet jank (stolen & reverse engineered technology).

Rapier is fucking ass

>>15668551
It’s so fucking perfect. Industrial, pragmatic, utilitarian. Although I’ve recently heard it cost an absurd amount of money to operate and launch which is sad.

>By a *large* margin, the gravity dose-reponse curve in humans is the most important unanswered question in human spaceflight
https://twitter.com/JeffGreason/status/1681327661438627841
its shameful that we do not know this, just pathetic

>>15667095
Hell why not just a crude drone conversion for the original shuttles?

>>15668552
Okay

>>15668534
that's what not using SRBs does for a man

>>15668538
who that

>>15668555
has ISS really accomplished anything of note?

https://twitter.com/FelixSchlang/status/1691817783711941069

Integrated Flight Test 2 scheduled for Aug 31st.
Mariners notice has gone out.

This is the first sign that they're close to ready. Still need more like NOTOM and such.

>>15668588
2 weeks

>>15668590
Literally

>>15668588
>Aug 31st
he can't keep getting away with it

>>15668588
TWO WEEKS PATRIOT MISSILES TRUST THE PLAN

>>15668588
This is completely illegal from a legal standpoint, this can't happen...

>>15668588
https://twitter.com/payloadspace/status/1691553439418048874

Also yesterday, they had submitted the investigation report as well.

So there's still bit more legal legwork that needs to be done as well. So Aug 31st is a NET date.

>>15668553
Late-stage Soviet economics are always hard to figure, and that's saying nothing about how weird things got after 1991, but the somewhat credible figures run from $500M to $2B in era equivalent currency.

>>15668588
WTF I thought for sure we'd get this breaking news straight from the NSF L2cucks, not the GypsyGODs. SchlangXisters win again, all criticism against his dogshit videos has been vaporized with this epic announcement.

Unpopularopinion: SLS is a beautiful rocket. Here's a satellite image prior to Artemis 1

>>15668605
>SchlangXisters
just end it now

>>15668599
Wewlad. Could have gone down significantly with perestroika maybe idk

>>15668606
I've never seen anyone argue that it's ugly. But it's not about the looks in rocketry.

>>15668606
It’s okay. Could use a white coat of paint or at least UNITED STATES written down the side of the memetank. But as the other anon said, it’s not about looks. It fails in both cost and capacity to space which is the whole point

>>15668605
>>15668607
More like Schlongsters.

>>15668588
>felix
I need some more corroboration, this guy is a retard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v33EDrycYBM