/sci/ - Science & Math

sticc >>> thicc

Worst edition. OP remains a faggot

>>15653993

>The Moon? Already been there. Let's go to Mars.

>>15653969
Glass the Earth, demigod war eventually

>>15653995
(Artemis is a Trump program)

>>15653995
Hey faggot. Still not voting R. Go back to /pol/.

Lunar exploration is alive!

>Russia lander on route to the South pole of the moon, already working on polar orbiter Luna 26
>Indian lander on route there also, targeting water rich crater.
>American broomsticks will send Artemis II CREWED flyby in 2024.
>Chinese lander targeting far side for sample return in 2024 + lunar constellation.

https://strawpoll.com/BJnX8eXLLnv/results
vote on which lunar probes will survive the landing

>>15653998
>implying presidents propose NASA programs

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/08/after-a-scare-nasas-mars-helicopter-safely-takes-to-the-skies-again/

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/08/juno-is-bringing-jupiters-moon-io-into-sharper-focus/

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/08/its-finally-time-virgin-galactic-is-flying-private-astronauts-into-space/

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/08/russia-heads-back-to-the-moon-with-luna-25/

>>15654044
reminder that /sfg/ predicted this helicopter lasting for years

https://spacenews.com/viasat-not-ready-to-declare-viasat-3-americas-a-total-loss/

https://europeanspaceflight.com/france-to-fund-demonstration-missions-of-microlaunchers/

> The three target missions operators will be able to bid on are:
>--LEO mission at an altitude of 400 km with a mass of 50 kg
>--SSO mission at an altitude of 500 km with a mass of 300 kg
>--SSO mission at an altitude of 600 km with a mass of 800 kg

> France currently has a number of launch vehicle startups that plan to offer a range of capabilities. Unsurprisingly, there is at least one provider that offers capabilities in line with each of the three target missions. MaiaSpace with Maia in an expandable configuration will be able to handle the largest target missions. The company may also look to bid on the 300-kilogram mission with a recoverable Maia making the argument that they’re technically two different vehicles.

> Sirius Space may just be able to bid for the largest target mission with its Sirius 15 vehicle. However, the company may not be able to complete the development of what is the largest of its three planned vehicles before the cutoff date of 2027. The company will be able to bid on the other two target missions with its Sirius 1 and Sirius 13 vehicles.

> Opus Aerospace, Latitude, and HyPrSpace will likely only be able to bid on the smallest of the three target missions. That leaves Dark, who will be able to bid on all but the largest of the three missions.

>>15654064
Why not just pay SpaceX to send up a Dragon with a small robot to free the antenna?

>>15654024
He literally did. SLS was a rocket to nowhere until he convinced Congress to fund a return to the moon.

>>15654021
Where's the option for the russian lander shooting down the indian one?

>>15654048
It's cool that Juno is filling the Io data void, since it definitely won't get a dedicated mission any soon.

>>15654077
The economic loss of not having a working satellite in space far outweighs any proposed mission to fix it
Any money they spend now is weighed against just trying again

http://curveofbell.blogspot.com/2012/12/neil-armstrong-astronaut-or-alchemist.html

https://twitter.com/zebulgar/status/1689666055755726848

This might mean Varda got the OK from FAA to re-enter the capsule? Not sure due to Vardas official twitter not mentioning this

>>15654084
not happening because there is no women aboard
t. rogozin

>>15654051
The fact that virgin galactic keeps getting away with calling their passengers astronauts and claiming that they're going to space is really starting to piss me off.

>>15654086
Clipper and JUICE will definitely take some pics with their high-res imagers

>>15654092
Did Varda ever say why they didn't sort this out before the launch?

https://orbitalindex.com/archive/2023-08-09-Issue-230/

> DSS-43 and Voyager 2 Reconnect. NASA erroneously commanded Voyager 2 to point its high-gain antenna two degrees away from Earth on July 21, causing a loss of communication with humanity’s oldest functioning ultra-deep space probe. The spacecraft is now 18.5 light-hours away (>133 AU; the second most distant human-created object after its 16-day younger twin Voyager 1 at >160 AU). While the agency nervously waited for an anticipated automatic reset of the antenna’s pointing using the onboard Canopus star tracker—not scheduled to happen until October 15—efforts were made to confirm that the craft was still functional. Voyager 2’s trajectory (below) puts it in the southern sky making Canberra, Australia the only DSN facility with line-of-sight to the craft. The site’s largest antenna, DSS-43, is now 50+ years old and was upgraded in 2020 (causing an 8-month gap in our ability to command Voyager 2, during which science data was received by some of the site’s smaller antennae). This massive 70-meter dish was able to detect a faint carrier signal from the craft on August 1st despite its off-target aiming. On August 2nd, DSS-43 transmitted what was almost certainly its most powerful message ever to Voyager 2, at 143 dBm EIRP and a real power of 100kW (after line and connector losses… transmitter power was higher), instructing the craft to reorient back towards Earth. A tense 37 hours later, the Canberra CSIRO team received science and telemetry data from Voyager 2, completing the restoration of two-way communications and indicating continued nominal operations and trajectory for the 46-year-old craft. Phew.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_2

Pic is from wikipedia
> Voyager 2’s skypath amongst the southern hemisphere’s constellations, 1977 - 2030.

>>15654109

>>15654102
Juice probably, but not so sure about Clipper.
But at least we will be getting plenty of Jupiter moon stuff coming out in the next decade. I hope CNSA goes ahead with that Calisto probe idea.

>>15654105
I don't recall seeing anything about that but if I had to speculate you just can't say "I will land between now and 2025" and actually need more accurate dates and Varda didn't know this beforehand

>>15654117
That makes sense I guess, I always thought it was only meant to be up there for a month at most.

Starlink satellites are constantly siphoning angular momentum away from Earth, and will eventually cause Earth's rotation to halt. This is why Musk must be stopped at all costs

>>15654168
pretty sure that once they deorbit we're back to zero

China is so cool at space and processing so much. they will easily overtake US in every race I think. And GDP will only grow further. And considering differences in Chinese and US prices of labour and materials China is likely already 5 times richer than US.
NASA or any other US company can't even remotely compete in a long term.

I think that's a last decade when US can be considered by some ahead or equal to China in space

>>15654177
Progressing so much*

>>15654168
actually they're launched into prograde orbits, so they'll increase the angular momentum of the earth by burning up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR8UfH0ViBA

>>15654177
>he really thinks chink pig iron can be used to make spaceworthy rockets

>>15654177

>>15654198
That's fucked up

>>15654177
China is extremely strong

Luna-25 has been debunked, its over

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTolYy4ow4Q&t=317s

>>15654256
silliness of the highest ordah

>>15654083
he did not. trump couldn't spell "sls" or "nasa". his administration pushed for sls but so would hillary's.

>>15654256
It's over Rubros

>>15654177
Glorious CCP will rule the stars!!!

image how precise all this glassware has to be

>>15654177
this would be true if not for spacex
sorry chang but the african americans are just better at rockets than you

When does Luna try to land?

>>15654177
honk stronk

>>15654441
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT6kblEmGGc

>>15653982
You are objectively incorrect

>>15654440
August 21 maybe 22.

The Indian lander is supposed to land on the 22.

Don’t worry bro I can just be a stationary lander now

>>15654112
would be funny if someday something is built fast and efficient enough to go after it and capture it to bring it back

>>15654177
implessive....

>>15654497
Wait it actually fell apart? Bad ass

>>15654504
it’s an engineering test conducted here on earth. I think they plan on “hobbling” curiosity worst-case-scenario

>>15654497
So it finaly broke?
Still dont understand how they acted surprised at how fast the wheels where deteriorating.
They over engineered the fuck out of those wheels, spends millions on them, and yet they became like this.

>>15654509
They can still drive on the rim.

Russia's moon rocket?

>>15654511
>So it finaly broke?
no

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1689965296876929024

is this the end?

>>15654482
Damn, the 22nd is going to be a fun day in here

>>15654532
I still think it should be sumo.

>>15654518
OmegA vibes

>>15654532
This is so stupid

>>15654532
What the fuck is wrong with him?

>>15654497
>>15654504
nah, that pic is from testing for a wheel shedding maneuver. If the wheel deteriorates too much they'll make it tear the inner 2-3rds off with a random rock

>>15654548

https://twitter.com/katlinegrey/status/1689922853607550976
>Yuri Borisov: Roscosmos plans to launch Luna 26 in 2027, Luna-27 - in 2028, and Luna-28 - in 2030 or later. After that, the next goal will be a crewed mission to the Moon.
lmao

>>15654566
You know what good for them. It’s a mediocre timeframe and it’s going to fall through, but at least now it’s a stated goal.

>mention that Russia launched a moon rocket to my mom
>receive a five minute monologue about the war, Zelensky, her insider Telegram intel and whatever
Jesus can this war end already

>>15654566
>russia will reach the moon 70 years after america
lol

to the anon that told me the paint doesn't seem that stripped after the static fire, they're re-repainting the olm.
This doesn't seem sustainable, they're going to have to come up with a better finish for it.

>>15654532
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1689970275268337664

>>15654590
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1689969006910861312

lol

>>15654532
These niggas gonna fight in the Colosseum

>>15654572
what did she tell you?

>>15654588
they were just repainting the tank farm too, its just something that has to be done for anti-corrosion due to the wet and hot climate + salty seaspray

>>15654590
>respect the past of Italy
what did he mean by this?

>>15654593
>foreshadowing the boneitis arc
he's gonna fucking die

>>15654593
>>15654590
are they trying to tell us elon musk and mark zuckerberg will fight in the collosseum?

Zucc will beat that fat faggot into a coma

>>15654616
Kind of doubt that, "everything in the frame of a camera" can mean a lot of things
it could be next to some ruins outside the city

>>15654620
zuck is like 20cm shorter and weighs 50kg less
if musk gets in shape, not really a fair fight

>>15654572
I'm no stranger to psyops and I've had the time of my life shitposting day and night about epstein and covid, but when this war began even I had to consciously isolate myself from the news because I could feel it negatively impacting me. I fear for the people who let it get into their heads.

>>15654628
>if

>>15654601
The trade sanctions against Russia haven't done anything because they can afford to launch a rocket and they still have Coca-Cola and stuff in Moscow, actually it's Ukraine that bombed Donbas according to some granny that they interviewed on some news segment, Ukraine is changing their Christmas celebration from January to December 25th, Zelensky is going to start celebrating Thanksgiving, something about how homosexuals are treated in Ukraine, a 13-year-old girl is on some kind of kill list because she criticized something, some guy wasn't allowed to listen to Russian music somewhere or something, I'm forgetting the details because it went for like 15 minutes

>>15654572
>>15654630
For real. Mass media has become a tool for evil and I can’t quite pinpoint when it made the switch from “I’m walter cronkite here are some facts from this week” to “OBEY US WE ARE THE ONLY SOURCE YOU SHOULD TRUST”

>>15654630
Seems like she's stressing about WW3 and whatever else, I've said many times like yeah I don't really care about this war stuff or the latest Biden gossip i.e. I don't need to keep hearing about all this, but she can't stop talking about it

>>15654641
mass media has been untrustworthy for far longer than you've been alive

>>15654628
>>15654634
captcha: TRMAX

>>15654635
Where do you live?

>>15654641
>I can’t quite pinpoint when it made the switch
That's the beauty of it, the pot has been getting warmer and warmer for decades so no one could guess when it began boiling (and most people are still in denial about it boiling today). That's why schizos from 90's and 00's seem reasonable now, only they could perceive it then.

>>15654628
>if
That's the point, he won't.

>>15654635
well the donbas thing is true, but that happened before the russian invasion and the trade sanctions don't seem to have had such an devastating effect as hoped, russia is still able to sell their gas to countries like china and india
everything is kind of irrelevant though, but probbaly to someone listening to mass media propaganda (from the west/ukraine side) saying something like that would be blasphemy

>>15654590
>>15654593
Nothing suggests they are even close to agreeing to the fight.

Russia's probe might not even reach the Moon. They haven't sent a Russian-built spacecraft beyond low Earth orbit in like 50 years. Do they even have electronics that can make it through the radiation belts? All the Soviet institutional knowledge is no doubt gone by now as well.
>inb4 Exo-Mars and Spektr-RG. Those were built with foreign help which isn't available anymore.

>>15654653
I doubt he is going to fight if he doesn't at least somewhat

>>15654661
Soviet shit is simple but reliable, I have a feeling that it will succeed.

>>15654658
how old are those? in the tweets posted a few hours ago by musk it seems like musk and zuck did talk, especially considering the mutual foundation that will handle the stuff around the fight

>>15654650
The Nordics, she just seems to have hit some kind of Q boomer phase where she's counter-mainstream about every piece of news and I get to hear all of it. But I think that's enough about my mother

>>15654665
I'm not rooting for it to fail but Phobos Grunt doesn't inspire a lot of confidence. I think that was the last time they tried to go it alone on spacecraft development.

Artemis III MAY NOT land humans!

https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/08/09/will-nasas-artemis-3-get-to-the-moon-official-says-the-mission-could-change-over-spacex-de
https://spacenews.com/nasa-weighs-changes-to-artemis-3-if-key-elements-are-delayed/
https://nasawatch.com/artemis/changes-to-artemis-iii/
https://news.yahoo.com/spacex-starship-delays-could-shift-200100210.html

>>15654673
didn't phobos grunt fuckup getting to orbit? we never got to know how well the lander functioned. luna's already surpassed phobos grunt

>>15654681
Build the lander Elon

>>15654681
So they'll still take the lander but it just won't land with humans onboard?

>>15654532
Freak hits can kill you you know

>>15653969
Space flight implications of titanium? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm9BFRP93_k

>>15654572
Boomer socials and its consequences have been a disaster for chudkind. I tried explaining to my dad that jews are controlled opposition but he won't listen

>>15654695
>jews are controlled opposition
that take hardly even flies on 4chan

>>15654691

They're obviously hedging Starship HLS delay with the second and third best options. But I mean even Artemis II needs a rework potentially. Have we had any confirmation that Orion is fully certified to take 4 people around the moon on an 11 day trip?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83i-t8Ouk_0

Chris Combs on the video (has severe EDS)

If starship HLS is ready in time for A3 but the suits are not, what is the mission going to look like? are they going to delay it for the suits? run the mission as normal with no EVA?

>>15654706
The real engineering guy also does.

>>15654666
The way I read it it's more Musk throwing stuff out there first. Who the fuck knows. Sorta expecting him to back out on some technicality or on account of his shat out back which is a valid concern.

>>15654720
oh, didn't know that lol

>>15654729
yeah I'm not expecting this fight to happen, maybe 20% chance
Musk seems very impulsive so who knows

>>15654720
at least he's not an SLS stan

>>15654649
Arent lefties supposed to be against bodyshaming?

>>15654024
I dont see any democrats caring about space

Troposphere 6 is BACK
Launching September 29
https://twitter.com/KekaAerospace/status/1689949335474118656

Reminder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrlKWtkce5I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9WO-KD0avY

>>15654791
Ariane 6 is finally coming together

>>15654791
liquid propergol?
propellant I guess

>>15654791
at 9 min

>>15654791
what is the benefit to putting a solid stage on top of a liquid stage? Intuitively, it would seem like you want solids first for the raw thrust, and liquids later when you want fine tuning

>>15654801

>>15654805

>>15654758
Space stuff is traditionally a defense industry thing, and they generously donate to all sides for more space missions. SpaceX was looking like the first time they were going to actually care about space (because it was a California-based Big Tech darling) but the Twitter buy and subsequent refusal to cooperate with the Blob put him in their crosshairs instead

>>15654803
I'm pretty sure its a scam of somekind, the automatic english translation is very bad though
I mean they might be sincerely trying, who knows, but the main dude seems kind of scammy

>>15654803
Small solids are easier to do than small liquids *of equal performance* actually, we've been making small rockets for hundreds of years. There's a reason a lot of lower tech rocket use them, early American, European, Japanese, Indian launchers often used them.

That progressively died out - although rockets like PSLV or Antares still use them - but say, the shuttle still widely used solid upper stages once in orbit.

>>15654807
God it's so tiring
Ill never forget everyone making fun of Newt Gingrich for wanting a lunar base

>>15653998
Artemis and the USSF are creations of Trump's presidency.

Space will be what Trump is remembered for in 100 years.

>>15654832
how can the stars be so visible in that image with all the floodlights

kek there's a shared hatred for sls everywhere

>>15654838
>already
how old is this?

>>15654518
Is an Angara.

>>15654839
high dynamic range and post processing

>>15654791
>50,000 Swiss francs funding

>>15654846
Angara is russia’s direct equivalent to SLS. That shit has been in development for like two decades, only flown a few times, and I’m pretty sure more money has been tapped off and lined into pockets than has actually gone into the program

/sfg/ this is anon, are you ready for the event?

>>15653969
Daily reminder that rocketry is literally archaic technology and you are doomed to perish on this planet as a species because it will never take you beyond the Moon.

>>15654635
>The trade sanctions against Russia haven't done anything
well then ziggers wont certainly mind them staying on indefinitely

>>15654907
Okay dude, what's the solution?

>>15654914
Well, for one, exploring physics based concepts.

You realize that since the middle ages, when rocketry was accidentally discovered in China, there have been some novel new discoveries in physics, materials science, etc?

You can absolutely explore those, instead of developing "technology" from the year 600 AD.

>>15654914
Nta, Im not a demoralizing faggot, but space elevator for now

>>15654931
>Just uh.... explore physics???

>>15654931
we do, just none of the solutions we've found match the TWR of chemical rockets. hence their extensive use as propulsion in space and non existent use in launch vehicles

>>15654480
By what objective measure?

>>15654943
>we do

Total crap.

>>15654829
We only had to listen

>>15654914

>>15654952
We have various nuclear/electric thrusters for in-space propulsion and more are being developed all the time. What is your great idea for escaping the atmosphere?

>>15654952
so by "physics based concepts" I figure you must mean "not grounded in physics concepts". you want reactionless drives, no? because it sounds like your definition of "archaic technology" is anything that kicks mass out the back. no the chinese did not invent ion thrusters.

>>15654961
You'd need so much liquid helium to cool that shit that the spacecraft might be bouant in the atmosphere.

https://software.nasa.gov

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/08/virgin-galactic-just-flew-again-but-is-the-company-going-anywhere/

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/08/rocket-report-more-headwinds-for-astra-next-sls-core-stage-needs-repairs/

Small Rockets
> Virgin Galactic flies first private passengers.
> Astra announces layoffs.
> Rocket Lab inks more launch contracts.
> Rocket Factory Augsburg raises 30 million euros.
> Japan's Interstellar aiming for 2025 launch.

Medium Rockets
> Amazon switcheroo.
> SpaceX breaks launch pad turnaround record.
> ESA confirms Ariane 6 delay to 2024.

Heavy Rockets
> Booster 9 fires up
> SLS core stage needs some minor repairs.
> Blue Origin still planning New Glenn launch next year.

>>15655000
For Kuiper, how will they differentiate from Starlink? Cheaper? Just an alternative?

https://spacenews.com/japans-interstellar-aims-for-orbital-launch-in-2025/

Apparently Japan has a startup trying to launch asmall rocket

>>15655002
I've seen people here say they are going to use it themselves for communciation between AWS server cluster but also aiming at selling to businesses instead of retail (or whatever the term for non-business customers are)
not sure though

>>15655002
It'll integrate tightly with existing AWS services and support advanced redundancy, disaster recovery, etc... features.

>>15655004
> The 25-meter Zero with a 1.7-meter diameter is similar in size to the Rocket Lab Electron.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstellar_Technologies

>>15655002
>>15655007
To add to this, they'll likely enable direct connections from businesses to AWS that do not traverse the public Internet.
>Corporate network
>Ground station
>Satellite network
>Ground station
>AWS
All without touching the Internet, and it'll be easy to configure like most things at AWS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkwTVxdE23A

>>15654070
that is very confusing livery, messing with the perspective

>>15655018
I'm looking forward to how the spooks intercept space communication, especially once they switch to laser links

Balloons in the beam path? Co-orbiting repeater satellites? Drones? All of this and more I expect

>>15655022
If everything is encrypted and the satellite operators don't make any serious errors, it shouldn't matter. At most the spooks would know the path of a message from ground station to ground station. >>15655019
Based.

>>15655076
he's a schizo who is still clinging onto pareidolia images

>>15654051
His face
>never relax

>>15655076
he had to publish in the journal of COSMOLOGY

When Musk is going to launch Starship again?

solar this, nuclear that, a real long term mars colony will be powered by hydrocarbons just like damn near everything on earth.
vast partial pressure inflatable greenhouses will be set up growing industrial quantities of corn for biodiesel.

>>15655099
That's impossible to build like that. Humans will be forced to live in caves or cover habitats in moon dust. Radiation is just too big of a problem

iits a race

>>15655108
stfu realism fag

ve well build ze vast greenhouse domes

>>15655108
>That's impossible to build like that. Humans will be forced to live in caves or cover habitats in moon dust. Radiation is just too big of a problem
this is bait.

>>15655000
>next SLS core stage needs repairs
Ummmm just how bad is it?

>>15655135
There is gonna be so much human activity in that lower hemisphere region

>>15655121
Payload mass 31kg AHAHAHAHAHAHA WHAT (It's not true by the way)

>>15654572
>mention that (Russia launched a moon rocket) to my mom
vs
>mention that (Russia launched a moon rocket to my mom)

>>15655135
I don't understand radiation but does that map mean at minimum you're getting twice the annual dosage limit for radiation workers?

>>15655146

>>15655151
exactly. that's unshielded too. it's a huge nothingburger

>>15655094
2 weeks

>>15654706
https://twitter.com/DrChrisCombs
(iterative design enjoyer)

>>15655142
But I found where it came from. Luna-25 lander weight is 1800kg but all scientific tools on it weight 31kg

>>15655160
sounds like wasted weight. they need to start building the lander out of structural experiments.

>>15655136
hard to say just from this article

>>15655167
>downplay SLS shortcomings
>play up Starship shortcomings

typical

>>15654706
>>15654720
Don't forget Wendover productions and his Tesla videos just full of blatant lies throughout

>>15655161
sexy

>>15654931
>physics that I don't like isn't real
ingest medication

Max Haot moved up from President to CEO. Seems like the main reason they bought out Launcher was for the talent. Expecting good things from Haven-1.

>>15655173
to be fair, starship hasn't flown yet. They're gonna have to land the HLS on the moon before artemis 3

>>15655121
>underreporting russian weight to make ourself look good
Absolutely embarassing

>>15655202
What was wrong with the last ceo

>>15655202
>they bought out Launcher was for the talent
what talent? none of launcher's satellite busses have worked

>>15654684
Landing on the moon is hard, with no atmosphere to slow you down.
I'll be sure get some popcorn during EDL.

>>15655209
the last CEO was the founder of the company at least according to wikipedia, I guess he might want to do something else than day to day management and focus on something else (like Elon at X now)

>>15654751
No, they love it. They just want the power to pick winners and losers.

>>15655014
Oh, those were the Tenga rocket guys? Using Ethanol fuel? (boozealox?)

>>15654620
goddamn I think Zucc could even take on Besos

>>15655076
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklo

>>15655135
What is the source of this image? It looks like someone just relabeled MOLA to “cosmic ray environment”

>>15655167
I wonder if they're still going to get the same hydrogen fill issue or if they're redesigning the connector

>>15655270
That's still a long way from naturally occurring thermonuclear weapons.

>>15655275
it's from nasa. obviously elevation correlates.
https://mepag.jpl.nasa.gov/topten.cfm?topten=10

Guys is this true? Its OVER for SpaceX.

>>15655343
stop posting xeets from retards

>>15655343
Why would I care what some transsexual vatnik thinks?

>>15655343
Go back to /lkg/ tourist, we dont give a shit about your russian tranny here.

>>15655343
There's no definition of "militarizes" here so I'm going to assume he means orbital weapons, and no one is particularly willing to make that leap yet

For everybody else though it's about making rideshare launches cheap as dirt by leaning on economies of scale as opposed to one-payload wonder rockets

>>15654511
>how fast the wheels where deteriorating
it has been operating for 10 years

>>15655415
Sure, but it has driven 30km so far.
2,5 billion for 30 km.
Expensive wheels.

>>15655446
On rocks and abrasive regolith.

>>15654532
https://twitter.com/xDaily/status/1690074379026313216

>>15655458
Consider that maybe it’s the aluminum foil wheels that are the problem and not the roggs

>>15655462
>both said they’re down
>Elon “muh MRI, idk bros!”
>Zuck “we uhhhhh, uhhhhhhhh… never actually talked about this!!!”

>>15655475
zuck is getting scared

>>15655462
as always Musk all bark no talk. Starship on Mars in 2020 folks

>>15655469
weight autism is something Starship will cure

>>15655490
It wasn't necessary in the first place.
Shave mass off something that isn't the wheels, the rover weighs 900 kilos.

>Thangavelu suggested that NASA replace the fixed-site lunar base approach with a "roving base" that would, in a single ambitious piloted mission, explore multiple candidate base sites and the terrain between them along an 11,000-kilometer traverse route. He called his roving base Nomad Explorer.
>The chief element of the Nomad Explorer roving base was the 35-tonne Very Long Traverse Vehicle (VLTV), which would measure 16 meters long, 4.5 meters wide, and 10 meters high. The VLTV would roll on four large wheels, each powered independently by a 120-horsepower electric motor. The complex wheels would change shape automatically to accommodate obstacles and ensure a smooth ride. Typically, the VLTV would move at about 20 kilometers per hour, though it could trundle along at up to 30 kilometers per hour if necessary.
>The VLTV would provide its three-person crew with 600 cubic meters of pressurized volume. It would include a control cockpit, crew quarters, a meeting room/galley, an airlock, and a hygiene facility.
>Thangavelu proposed a novel system for providing the Nomad Explorer roving base with electricity — an automated "power cart" bearing a nuclear reactor that would follow about a kilometer behind the VLTV to limit crew radiation exposure. It would supply 50 kilowatts of electricity to the piloted rover either through a long durable cable or through intermittent microwave beaming. An auxiliary fuel cell/solar cell system on the VLTV would provide 10 kilowatts of backup electricity.
http://spaceflighthistory.blogspot.com/2023/02/nomad-explorer-1992.html

Whats the most retarded spaceflight related idea that might actually work?

>>15655516
SLS

>>15655516
a sort of vehicle that can glide down from orbit and land like a plane. It also has hydrogen engines and a expendable fuel tank.

>>15655516

>>15655516
Landing on the moon 8 years after launching the first man into space

>>15655516
No one's brought it up in a while, but NG was shopping around a prototype for balloon orbital entry to Venus without even a heatshield that I thought was just crazy enough to work
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_Atmospheric_Maneuverable_Platform

>>15655538
>>15655538
Pretty sure it's not supposed to entry while inflated. But this reminded me that hot air balloons are a good way to explore Venus and I hope NASA develops some nuclear powered hot air balloon with a camera to take pics of clouds.

>>15654635
literally all true
how do you have a mom this based and still complain you fag

>>15655550
It definitely inflates in space. Part of the reason they claimed it would work is that it was so light and had such a high drag coefficient that it would be too slow to generate any meaningful friction with the atmosphere by the time it hit an altitude dense enough to cause it damage. I thought it was crazy at the time but if they pulled it off it'd be awesome

>read comments luna 25 mission on ars
>almost everyone is hoping it fails
the left is a cancer. they'll keep us on this prison just for their fee fees.

>>15655556

>>15655516
Using chemical rockets to send humans to Mars and beyond.

>>15655578
I like the idea in principle but knowing NG I'm glad NASA didn't select this

>>15655561
Your first mistake was reading the comments on Ars. They try to keep it civil in the spaceflight articles but the tourists get in and trash the place.

They're kind of famous for how insane their commenters are, and are used as an example of the kind of moderation Twitter used to be famous for. Anyway, not spaceflight

>>15655462
uh oh zuck is tremblin

how long do FCC permits take nowadays for cube sat communication? I heard that it was like 3+ years last. It's getting pretty cheap to throw up a 1U

>>15655620
Long enough that NASA specifically tells cubesat builders to arrange for their permits well in advance of launch, and uses one nearly missing its launch due to permitting issues as a specific example of how not to do it

>>15655638
Just don't have a license. Simple as. What are they gonna monitor the sky for unauthorized radio transmissions?

>>15655657
yeah, and if they find it then what? they're not going to fire an ASAT at it or anything, just arrest you if they find you (don't get found)

remember to report all off topic niggardry including boxing.

>>15655343
>soviet
>tankie
>tranny

twitter in a nutshell

>>15654353
cope

>>15654089
based

>>15654832
Space Force should have been modeled on the navy, not air force. 'Guardians' is such a weird label, although I guess 'Airmen' would probably have been considered weird at some point too

>>15655099
And where will the oxygen come from? If you're already using solar or nuclear for Sabatier synthesis just use more of it for baseload power.

>>15655693
There were a sufficient number of ex-Navy astronauts that a number of those traditions made it into space. IIRC they still do the bell thing on the ISS

>>15655561
I fucking hate russia and roscosmos and hope Luna 25 fails miserably. But it has nothing to do with [off topic current event war]
Anyone braindead enough to somehow tie the zigger war to the morality of a space craft failing or succeeding is a damn fool.
It deserves to fail because of corruption and karma from blaming america for the hole

>>15655696
the corn makes the oxygen while it's waiting to become fuel

>>15655699
>IIRC they still do the bell thing on the ISS
Crew Demo 2 was the last time

>>15655693
space force is literally still a part of the airforce
should have gone with Spacemen and taken the lumps of people thinking it sounds dumb, knowing that it will sound normal in a few years

>>15655733
Yeah but they don't actually go to space yet so it sounds cringe
>inb4 not all airmen operate in the air
At least a significant portion do

>>15655693
>>15655733
>>15655748
I don’t doubt that one day the space force will have more and more people actually in space. But yeah ‘guardians’ is so retarded

Has /sfg/ discussed this yet?
>Evidence for Large Planetary Climate Altering Thermonuclear Explosions on Mars in the Past
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/371769294_Evidence_for_Large_Planetary_Climate_Altering_Thermonuclear_Explosions_on_Mars_in_the_Past

>>15655774
Go back

>>15655774
>schizogate

>>15655774
it's a schizo retard who is so mentally feeble he falls for pareidolia

>>15655766
The irony of the cleveland indians becoming the guardians:
Sail - Sail•er - Sailor
Engine - Engin•er - Injuner

>>15655135
MUH RADIATION fags utterly, utterly BTFO

>>15655774
we did Tom
now get back to cooking cubane

>>15653969
Chances Luna-25 crashes?

>>15655823
100% (into chandrayaan 3)

>>15655823
50/50, either it lands or it crashes

>>15655828
what if it crash lands?

ETA next B9 SF?

>>15655823
High.
Roscosmos is shit these days.

>>15655774
not spaceflight
start a new thread, retard

>>15655841
two weeks

>>15655834
Two sets of probabilities (A and B, respectively) each with 50% chance

>>15655778
>>15655782
>>15655783
>>15655822
>>15655846
braindead faggots

>>15655857

>>15655850

>>15655857
It’s been brought up MULTIPLE times in /sfg/ history and it’s just as schizo as those venus/mars microbial growth papers
You need to find someone to george your lennie brain

>Start date: 2005

>>15655852

>>15655766
Guardian is the gender neutral form of "guardsman". The Space Force is the Imperial Guard in larval form. Praise the Emperor.

>>15655774
Further work has determined that cosmic rays over time caused the Martian xenon imbalance.

https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/curiosity-finds-evidence-of-mars-crust-contributing-to-atmosphere

>>15655884
I’m sorry but I’m not budging on this. Guardian is dumb, dumb, dumb

Wait woooooah Michael Hopkins retired after crew-1?? He transferred to the space force while on the station and I was confident this would help boost his favor for being an artemis moon walker. Bro dipped out of NASA before he could walk on the Moon what was he thinking?!

>>15655897
He probably didn't trust Orange Rocket Bad to get him there in one piece.

>>15654177
>I think that's a last decade when US can be considered by some ahead or equal to China in space
IDK.

Either 2030s will have China parity or overshoot US; OR US/SpaceX will dominate the market.

Interesting info from Los Dos - SpaceX hopes to fly Booster 10 just 4 weeks after B9/S25 fly

>>15655693
i think they wanted to be at the lower ranks but the senior leadership is very slow to do things

>>15655914
>2x2 weeks

>>15655914
when do they hope to fly B9/S25 though

>>15655939
It was NET late august before the static fire. B9 hopes to roll back out in a week or so. Honestly, expect late September due to delays and whatnot. CSI Starbase made public comments about how he’s seen SpaceX’s plan to launch 4-5X in 2023, though, so this is in line with that

>>15655907
or any time soon

>>15654665
I wouldn't call soviet equipment reliable, the soviet space program and the soviet union in general was able to do more with less because they accepted higher risks and produced in higher quantity; look at how many luna/venera missions there were compared to similar US missions, and compare the failure rates.

Are there any planned sea launch platforms in the US?

>>15655970
Bezos sold his boat, and Elon sold the oil rigs, so for now, no.

>>15655343
WHO WOULD WIN:
one shitpost by an anime avatar no one has ever heard of
VS
a company that has handily outclassed several superpowers

>>15655488
>all bark no talk
>bark no talk
>no talk
>talk

>>15655516
POCs on the moon

>>15654832
>He thinks it would or should be another 100 years

>>15655516
space tether
artificial magnetosphere
antimatter catalyzed fusion pulsed propulsion

>>15655696
roggs, which are something like half oxygen

>still no flickr from IFT-1

I fucking love russia and roscosmos and hope Luna 25 succeeds triumphantly. But it has nothing to do with [off topic current event war]
Anyone braindead enough to somehow tie the zigger war to the morality of a space craft failing or succeeding is a damn fool.
It deserves to succeed because of sanity and karma from blaming western women for the hole

>>15655516
A stainless steel rocket that suicide flips for every landing

>>15655774
already mentioned in this very thread

>>15655516
landing the entire rocket

>ywn be a Grummanite

>>15655923
time to buy helium and sedatives :-(

what's the next launch I can go physically see? never been but really want to

>>15656121
Are you retarded? You can see every launch.
Where do you live how far do you want to travel?

>>15656121
unfortunately most rocket launches are performed indoors, so they're not viewable by the general public

>>15656121
Don't bother they all hit the firmanent anyways

>>15655693
The whole naming problem comes from none of them operating in space. Once you have members actually in space you can use all the cool names

https://twitter.com/joroulette/status/1690064016700329984

MaxHoat became CEO of Vast Space and SpaceX VP of Avionics joined Vast to become CTO

>>15656129
southeast texas
and yes I am retarded

>>15656158
So you either go to Cape Canaveral where they're launching Starlink every week or you wait for the next Starship from Boca Chica sometime this year.
Next launch from the cape is on the 17.

>>15656158
Sounds like you're reasonably close to starbase. go watch starship, it's launching in 2 weeks

>>15656167
>>15656169
cool thanks anons

>>15656158
go watch starship in two weeks

>>15656180
don't listen to them its not two weeks.
the problem with starship is you'll not know when its launching until a few days prior and then it might scrub 3 times.
the cape has schedules you can rely on better.

>>15656194
yeah I was just looking and it's all over the place

>>15656195
>>15656194
oh
>just 2 more weeks
I've been memed upon. well done.

>>15655516
LiFH tripropellant

https://youtu.be/V8H2ETMpRFw

So it seems someone made a serious effort to point out that Mars looks like it got massively nuked in the past:
https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation.aspx?paperid=125770

>>15656241
lmao this is hilarious

>>15656242
go away Brandenburg

>>15656242
>schizoresearch.org

>>15656241
will he comment on this?

>>15656241
It's OK, but the hypercaricatural artstyle puts me off, never liked that beyond small doses.

>1 year of energy
> poondrayan: 1 lunar day
RTG bros, we keep winnning

Detail of the RTG.
It is a 65W 3V RITEG Angel like the one in Mars 96. It uses Pu-238.

>>15656342
moar pics

>>15655671
y, pretty much. also stop deadnaming xitter

>>15656342
Oak Ridge seething right now

>free fall until 700m
This is fine.

>>15655774
yeah, like four years ago

>>15656371
poor girl

>>15656342
Does it cost a million dollars?

>>15656334
Wait wut, does luna 25 have an RTG??

>>15655151
The radiation worker dose limit is too low by a factor of a few hundred

>>15656342
This looks ai generated
>>15656345
This looks like shit lol

>>15656428
>tags: ryona, large insertion

>>15656371
This is the way

Calling it now. Russia will lose contact with Luna-25 before it reaches the Moon most likely due to equipment failure.

>>15656723
RTG reenters over Beijing

>>15653995
London?

>>15654532
wtf

>>15656739
not my department

>>15654532
Damn, these behind the scenes bonuses are insane. He picked a great trainer.

>>15656269
>Martian holocaust denial

>>15656739
his only crime was not blowing up more of London

>>15656886
should've flattened Moscow instead

>>15656739
>Doesn't know they basically shipped V-2s intact to Roswell and started testing the A-4 engine immediately
>Also built their own copy
It was also an American rocket

https://youtu.be/SgGbbYxxyCI
holy shit

https://youtu.be/fPlYCezAKPs
holy shit

>elon gets punched in the head
>gets his brain un-damaged
>mars canceled
>starship canceled
>starts a foundation to give mosquito nets to the congo
can't wait

>>15657028
now i wish i had a net

what if starlink stock is too high that it's not worth getting in?

>>15657003
perfection

>>15657067
Still a spaceplane

>>15657003
really perverse incentives

>>15657070
is it reusable?

>>15656241
I don't believe he ever went to epstein's island. So it comes off as seething rather than funny

>>15657110
meatcanoyon has had this musk and epstein shtick going on for a while now

>>15654588
they'll entirely rebuild it out of stainless steel

>>15654692
god he's so fucking bad at using a torch

getting flashbacks to the cubane photoreactor and also the hell machine; dude can't use tools for shit if they aren't glassware

>>15656723
Luna-25 can be controlled by SberAI in case of lost contact for more than 3 days. It will land itself

>>15657118
I've watched most of meat canyon's videos don't remember any other Musk stuff. Does he just seeth about him on Twitter or his other channels?
I guess pretty standard stuff for the fat animator youtuber type.

>>15654692
>Space flight implications of titanium?
We could have had a completely metal hot structure shuttle, with none of that tile crap. Starship should just be made from titanium.

>>15657151
maybe it was just this video then, 8 months ago

>>15657159
Delusional and you know it too.

>>15657118
meatcanyon makes a lot of videos about sexual abuse so naturally he is interested about Epstein whom Musk allegedly gave a rocket factory tour

>>15657142
If Luna-25 lands on the Moon without anyone knowing did it really land?

Luna-25 will land flawlessly, I give you my word.

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/08/everything-is-coming-together-for-launch-of-nasas-mission-to-a-metal-asteroid/

https://spacenews.com/telesats-leo-constellation-fully-funded-after-manufacturer-switch/

>>15657293
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/11/telesat-swaps-internet-satellite-suppliers-to-save-2-billion.html

> The company expects to begin launching the first Lightspeed satellites in mid-2026, with global service beginning once the first 156 satellites are in orbit. The full network is planned to consist of 198 satellites.

>>15657292
I will never forgive JPL for screwing up Janus.

>>15657295
>candians do it for 2B less than french italians
Shocking no one. Thales was having a siesta and unable for comment

Staging

>>15657341
>>15657341
>>15657341

>>15654665
>Soviet shit is simple but reliable,
Only true for Soyuz vs Shuttle. Otherwise it's a meme. And not true.

>>15657028
just imagine how many mosquitoes can be saved from getting AIDS