/sci/ - Science & Math

In Musk We Thrust.

>>15649683

BEEP BEEP

>>15649674
Glass the Earth, demigod war eventually

Artemis III mission patch revealed!

>>15649683
Isn't Musk a pedophile? I've heard people say that he is. Concerning.

Too lazy to open wikipedia, did john mcafee work on apollo? Saw a meme about this yesterday and totally forget until just right now

>>15649708
oh yeah he did
he did not look 75 when he got whackd

>>15649674
I know his Sea Dragon design wasn't feasible but I wish NASA went for that instead of the Shuttle.

We would already be on mars if musk didnt fell for the steel meme.

>>15649737
That's a new one.

>>15649737
You're incredibly retarded

>>15649741
No, you!

>>15649706
he liked a pic of the blue girl from cyberpunk on Twitter some time ago

>>15649705
>sea dragon
;---; my unmade beloved

>>15649737
carbon fibre sucks tho lul

>>15649737
No. Starship's development problems are mostly related to the Raptor engine and the launch pad. The expense and lead time of carbon fiber compared to steel would've slowed down Starship development.

>>15649706
>>15649751
Really scraping the bottom of that barrel, aren't we?

>>15649706
No he's a furfag (and that's a good thing)

>>15649790
he even made a water sculpture that looks like krystal

>>15649790
Will Elon Husky become the first Space Wolf?

*ACTUAL* Artemis III mission patch

Was an official reason ever given for why a leaf is going before a euro to the Moon?
I’d prefer neither but if I had to choose, the ESM feels like a bigger contribution than some arm

>>15649810
>ESM feels like a bigger contribution than some arm
Correct, which is why euros get to land while canucks only get a flyby

>>15649807
based?

>>15649814
Oh, duh

>>15649810
There is a general rule whenever it comes to european space related affairs, whenever something doesnt make sense, it's almost always the fault of a frog.

>>15649827
The French and theater kids are tied for ‘largest bell curve’. They’re both insufferable; but the top 1% like Pesquet or Orson Welles (respectively) are super based

>>15649810
>an official reason ever given
Canadarm3

>>15649746
how are you going to fix that on mars retard?
or make it

>>15649851
Why reinvent a hamer?
You on a nasa payroll?

>>15649851
with know-how and can-do attitude

>>15649583
So the real question is: was this just a random photo of the production line, or is this literally all they have? Because if this is the current shape or NG they are NOT fucking reaching that 2024 launch date they say they’re aiming for

>>15649875
Ah fuck I replied to a meme reply. You get the point I’m making though hopefully

>>15649875
ive seen a lot of polished white tanks from BO but I’m pretty sure they’re all pathfinders. And I personally don’t think they’re reaching their 2024 goal even IF they had the first rocket 95% complete right now. Bob Smith could barely run the local DMV, much less a company trying to “compete” with Elon Musk

>>15649674
chinks ape everything, where is long dongship 9 of theirs

>>15649875
Note: they still haven't said why the BE-4 exploded

It has been over a decade since BO started work on NG.

>>15649970
Yes they did. Or at least, Tory tried to sugar coat it
He claimed that specific engine had already failed testing. Implying BO knew it was going to explode and were probably just testing a “known busted engine” to failure for data

>>15649790
fact check: true

>>15650015
why are furfags such attentionwhores?
they can't just be furfags in isolation, they have to show everyone they're a furfag.

you have shit taste, nobody gives a shit about your waifu, i might've respected you if you liked something based like monstergirls but you're just an irrideemable faggot that probably saw a cartoon dog from a funny angle when he was little and his autistic brain turned it into a fetish.

NBC just ran a story on the Virgin Galactic flight tomorrow

space getting more mainstream

>>15650015
If I'm ever down there during some kind of festival thingy, I have to have some of those spiropapas.

>>15650032
>NBC
>Virgin Galactic
doubly don't care. the only reason they're ever brought up in media is to mention branson is to mention musk

>>15650034
this man is out of control

>>15650032
is this bait?

>>15650046
Don’t come to texas it’s nothing but amazing food, it’s why everyone is fat now

>>15650061
anything suborbital is bait by its very nature

>>15650015
That was me though.
>>15650031
>you're just an irrideemable faggot that probably saw a cartoon dog from a funny angle when he was little and his autistic brain turned it into a fetish.
Yes. [Image of chad wojak]

>>15650077
Nice try elon, we already know you post here.

>>15649746
Imagine the amount of liquid farts you can store in that thing.

>>15650031
Monstergirls are just weeb furries

more tanks

>>15650338
My brain is broken this looks like a doug dimmadome meme

>>15650340

>>15650340
Kek

Consider launch solved

>Reading the daily ‘this day in space flight’ wikipedia list that I know no one else checks
>“1990 - The Magellan spacecraft enters Cytherocentric orbit”
>Cytherocentric
The english language and its technicalities are out of control

>>15650369
They didn’t solve shit, each day I’m growing more and more tired of this hobbit. I used to like him.

>>15650369
This looks really sad.

>>15650369
KWAB

>>15650369
Falcon9 solved small launch lmao

>>15650393
The best small launch is 40 at a time yeah

>>15650396
If you’re cheap enough like F9 then yeah
Fuck smallsats, there’s a reason SX moved on from Falcon 1 so quickly. They could have sat on that shit for 15 years if they wanted to (by the way F1 still MOGS every other meme launcher flying today)

>>15650396
>Transporter to SSO

Everyone's doing it anon, problem solved

>>15650338
>>15650340

>*Edit* Okay, I took a peak at the private schedule referenced in the article, and I now fully understand why Free is mad. I can't say the number but it'll be fun watching y'alls mental gymnastics to justify the delay when the number eventually becomes public. Y'all need a reality check. Also downvote isn't an "I don't want to believe that" button.

Spaceguy5 (yeah that one) being full of shit again

>>15650417
>I work on HLS,

BUUULLLSHIT

>>15650417
What? Who? What the fuck is this and why should I care?!
Don’t answer I will never give a fuck

>>15650423
newfag

>>15650417
boots on the moon 2030
I bet $5

>>15649737
t. has never tried to NDE laminates

>>15650435
Doesn't matter he's full of shit
>I work on HLS, and that article made me curious enough to find the internal schedule it references (which the article mentions is where Free's comments came from).

>BO has 11,000 employees
WHAT ARE THEY DOING

Modern NASA is arguably even more incompetent than Soviet Russia at the end of the space race ,but the only reason they stay top dawg despite this is because Congress essentially has an infinite budget and can throw it at them in waves when needed. I am not excited for Artemis it’s a shitty program whose only redeeming factors are boots on the Moon by technicality and getting to see a cool Starship lander. But that’s hardly enough to redeem how fucked it is overall

>>15650453
pic unrelated, it goes hard

>>15649571
how does he figure that? that's an average of $200,000 per employee. surely even in aerospace only execs and actual engineers are making that much. what about all the data entry jockeys, hr, security, and shit?

>>15650458
health insurance, training, it adds up.

>>15650458
probably factors in benefits, facilities, rent, etc.

>>15649301
we had SpaceX/spaceflight threads but we didn't bother doing a permanent general until the texas tankwatcher stuff started up
I think we should go back to those days, the tankwatching is mostly over

>>15650417
I now predict the future. i predict artemis 2 gets delayed by 2 years because an icps fucking explodes

>>15650475
I made some "large launch vehicle discussion" threads back before sfg yeah.
No though we'll keep sfg forever

>>15650369
>solve medium lift
Hello SpaceX?

>>15650061
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN3q-7yCOwk

>>15650070
why did he do that

>>15650493
Holy shit, the billionaire space race is ON
Branson, Bezos, Musk

>Humans begin to colonize Mars
>Now it's 2050

What's after Mars? Space stations and the early start of space exploration/mining?

What would the world/human civilization be like if the US went through with the Orion drive concepts back in the 50s and 60s? Everything from round trip Earth to Mars under a month missions to massive USAF battleship fleets with an absolute fuck you amount of nukes on board for literal orbital bombardment?

Would we be living in a truly space faring society? If so, would it come at the cost of WWII almost certainly happening due to its own development?

>>15650499
nothing because interstellar travel will never be practical and we'll just use robots to mine asteroids and shit

>>15650499
>Ceres/Vesta
>Callisto

>>15650501
*WWIII
lmao

>>15650502
Is this the new cope? Nothing after Mars?

>>15650501
Hot take but even with the unprecedented power it wouldn’t change anything in the long run. Maybe a manned mars mission by now, yes. But it would be flag and footprints and nothing more. Because the tech would be gatekept to government-only. Hell we have trillion dollar warships right now and it’s not like we use those to go randomly set up base in antarctica
Any sort of “space fairing civilization” in ANY theoretical timeline needs to happen organically. Meaning there needs to be a reason for people and machines to set up shop somewhere

>>15650475
>the tankwatching is mostly over
>>15650338

>>15650513
>US sets up trading company corporate entity for space colonization
>Orion ships get built with the sole purpose of colonization and harvesting of resources across the Solar system
>US now dominates every aspect of existence with no competitor coming anywhere close
There you go.

>>15650497
>race

>>15650502
>interstellar travel will never be practical
>You will never have a group of people who are willing to spend decades in periodic hibernation in order to travel to a new star system and claim entire planets for themselves and their offspring
I'll make sure to laugh at you once I arrive at my destination of planet New Rhodesia in Alpha Centauri

>>15650499
Journey to Enceladus and Titan, manned

>>15650499
callisto is pretty much a given since it's the gateway to jupiter

this is what happens to astronauts thanks to elon musk starlink debris

>>15650493
>>15650497
I hope bezos makes it to orbit, but branson only made a cool plane that has nothing to do with the future of space. It's a dead end. I'm even wondering what's the point of it against new shepard. Both of them you get a few minutes of weightlessness. But new shepard goes up and down, and you land with parachutes. It's so much less complicated than the VSS unity, which I'm always wondering if it's going to disintegrate again, or how much it costs.

Billionaires are going to space now. The racers: Musk, Bezos, Branson. All billionaires. All racers, racing to space. Who will win? They will make big money in space

>>15650587
bezos has flown above the karman line so he wins

>>15650338
They started out with 3 and are moving to 5. I'm guessing this is to account for Raptor3's 9kT combined thrust force in the future and to allow for extra high pressure output in the event of 3 Raptors shutting down at launch and the booster spending more than 5 seconds after T-0 to gain sufficient TWR to clear the pad AND to have enough water deluge outside of the immediate blast column to not obliterate the concrete and the pipes and bidet infra.

>>15650594
This will gradually erode the non-concrete sand around the pad fr

>>15650592
Very good point, but I'm still gonna write an article about the Billionaire Space Race like it's 2005

>>15650499
The next big step beyond Mars would be colonization of Ceres, as its been discovered to be rich with water ice and is big enough to 0.28m/s^2 gravity. It's far less than the Moon, so none of the walking around like they show in The Expanse, but it would be enough for infrastructure to generally function on; and everyone there would have to workout religiously to maintain their bone mass. They'd still result in tall, lanky people.

By 2050, I would also expect that genetic engineering to have taken off, beyond Earth orbit, to allow population on Mars, Ceres, and in orbital habitats, to adapt to microgravity. I suspect that genetic engineering will struggle on the Moon, due to proximity of Earth, and governing bodies being able to enforce actions against it more readily; in part due to ethical or religious blowback.

Very difficult to outright impossible to enforce for Mars, Ceres & Belt, when it takes 3 and half months to send something one way during the transfer window and over 6-9 months on a direct ballistic approach. In kind, I'd then expect that by 2100 to 2150, that Martian/Ceresian/Beltian humanity to evolve into practically a different species due to extensive genetic engineering and human augmentation vs Earth/Moon, which would remain more traditional, in part due to aforementioned constraints.

>>15650499
total tubefag victory

>>15650599
>sand gets eroded
replace it with more sand

>>15650499
Elon Musk actually said after Mars, SpaceX would focus on Ceres, Callisto, Titan, and Enceladus iirc.

>>15650608
As soon as Lunar society can produce its own microchips, the Earth cannot maintain any hold on it. The Moon is in a tactically far superior position.

how much atmosphere does a planet need before it counts as a gas giant?
if venus had another 100km of atmosphere would it count? how about 200km? 1000km?

>>15650647
actually wanna see what Venus would be like with extra 100-200km of atmosphere, like fuck it just go all the way, we'll have a gassy mini neptune in the inner system

>how much atmosphere does a planet need before it counts as a gas giant?

>>15649746

>>15649374
>Is this entire place living off its old glory?
Not as much as Russia does.

>>15650711
once starship starts regularly launching from the cape it definitely won't feel that way

>>15650501
First you need either someone to finance all the colonization shit or we happen to find a valuable resource in space that makes it worth it.
Unless space travel becomes magically cheap or one of the above happen we will not have space colonies.

>>15650647
Are scientists full of shit when they tell us how big a planet's core is and what it's made of? I feel like that has to be educated speculation but still speculation.

>>15650608
>when it takes 3 and half months to send something one way during the transfer window
>2050
By that point I'd suspect at least one month transfer times on the regular

>>15650753
I bet you still think oil comes from fossils :)

>>15649746
ITS BTFO ahahahahahaha

>>15650531
Um Beck is actually Elons only competitor, given that he has real customers

$500 budget for visual observation telescope, what get

>>15649374
KSC has never been properly utilized. There are pads all over that place that sit unused, slowly being eaten by the Florida coast. We could have ten launch sites there sending up a Falcon 9 once a week each, and it still wouldn't be the kind of capacity KSC is capable of.

>>15650874
https://www.printables.com/model/224383-astronomical-telescope-hadley-an-easy-assembly-hig

>>15650890
That’s $150-300 though

>>15650753
It's accurate speculation

If they can get the planet's mass and its size, they have its density, which they can then explain with percentages of particular compositions that can be tested or measured. This feeds into planet formation (heavier elements sink into the core while the planet is molten) so they have an idea of what that's like.

Listen to a planetary geologist talk and you'll hear frequent references to "constraints" -- what they can't measure directly they infer from things that have been studied (for example, ratios of radioactive isotopes or librations in an object's rotation) and provide limits to speculation.

>>15650587
Musk's definition of winning is "surviving the pending collapse of civilization" that he doomposts about every once in a while

What's your predictions for Luna-25
Will it crash on launch
Will it stuck on orbit and slowly deorbit
Will it launch itself directly at moon's surface
Will it crash during landing

>>15650972
crash during landing
the curse of recent moon landers except china for some reason

>>15650513
>flag and footprints
most plans involve a long stay of 16 months?
you can do a 30 day cycle but it's a much longer time in space as a tradeoff

>>15650972
holy fuck why did they make this lander so fuckable?

>>15649737
steel was unironically one of their best decisions. They fell for the full flow staged combustion meme though

>>15650887
What about ten Starship pads and a permanent aircraft exclusion zone?

>>15651112
I'm talking about something that could be real right now, that could in fact have begun five years ago if the way the US government spends money on space weren't retarded.

https://spacenews.com/chinese-startup-launches-7th-ceres-1-rocket-preps-for-first-sea-launch/

the chinese seem to be actually launching

>>15650499
Ganymede

>>15650499
Psyche and/or Mercury. Industry without limits.

>>15650608
>and everyone there would have to workout religiously to maintain their bone mass.
or just accept they are never going back to earf again and live on ceres for the rest of their existence. Gymfaggots btfo

Putin's statement on Luna 25: "Today marks a significant milestone in our nation's history as we proudly announce the successful landing of Luna 25 on the lunar surface. This achievement reaffirms Russia's commitment to advancing space exploration and technological prowess. Our return to the moon symbolizes our unwavering dedication to pushing the boundaries of human ingenuity and scientific discovery. We extend our gratitude to the brilliant minds and dedicated teams that made this mission possible. As we embark on this new chapter, we look forward to fostering international collaboration and peaceful exploration for the betterment of all humanity."

wow

>>15651273
>Starship will unironically make orbit before shitliner gets crew
So it goes

>>15650608
>It's far less than the Moon, so none of the walking around like they show in The Expanse, but it would be enough for infrastructure to generally function on; and everyone there would have to workout religiously to maintain their bone mass. They'd still result in tall, lanky people.
No, they'd just build spinhabs in yuuge excavated caverns

>>15650622
wellcucks can't stop it

>>15651211
>the gay rape victim moon

One disadvantage of landing on the moon before the age of modern cameras is you can't conclusively prove you did it.

>>15651349
Shut up NOW kys

>>15651349
But can you conclusively prove that your weener got blown off from shrapnel?

>>15650520
that's the first tankwatching thing that's happened in four days

>>15651349
Thanks god that retard was fired

>>15651314
Only one with a magnetosphere though

>>15651349
Or maybe stop trying to cater to schizoids. No amount of evidence is guaranteed to be enough for mentally ill people.

Luna-25 in 12 hours lads, I'm excited. Although I'm 90% sure it will fail during lunar transfer or landing.

>>15651400
When is the indian one?

>>15650499
Reminder that Earth will develop the asteroid belt because of the much shorter synodic periods compared to Mars

I am once again crawling through twitter likes and… OOF

>>15651424
go back

>>15650575
starlinks burn up in the atmosphere at EoL

>>15651349
>mfw the modern Moon landings will be captured in digital instead of proper film
Here's hoping we get an IMAX camera up.

Also whatever happened to the IMAX cameras they had on the Boca Chica launch tower? Did any footage come from that?

>>15650608
>so none of the walking around like they show in The Expanse
they use magnetic boots extensively in that show

>>15651424
anon...STOP

>>15650999
>mfw one of the chink landers was a gun with auto targeting

>>15651438
And it's spun up to have 0.3g at the outer levels

>>15651402
Launched weeks ago, but apparently it's going to land around the same time as the Russians. Closest thing to the Moon race we have this decade.

What will be first. Moon base or Mars base?

>>15651402
It's going to take them like another week to hitch enough rides to get down.

>>15651400
But it has 2 cameras watching surface during descent. So hope they will transfer to Earth last moments of Luna-25 in case of crash

>>15651463
Moon obviously. Why would they skip establishing a base on the nearest celestial body that only takes a few days travel to instead set one up down a much deeper gravity well which requires like 5 months travel time?

Just seems silly.

Hypergol fuel depots, anyone? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWGhUXdrapE

>>15651444
>it's spun up to have 0.3g at the outer levels
Glad I never watched that retarded show

>>15650369
hahahaha
medium lift was solved in 2010 with the first launch of falcon 9
since then falcon 9 has been perfected into the ultimate medium lift vehicle
how the fuck does this hobbit think he's going to take spacex share of the pie by building a worse rocket?

>>15651498
Neutron is a better rocket than Falcon 9. Cope

>>15650369
This has a common dome in there?
Or another tank goes on the bottom?

>>15651442
omegalul

Is it happening?

>>15651526
>China will land on the moon and block the world out
With what? Forcefields?

>>15651539
They can get the prime terrain with access to frozen water and continuous solar power

>>15651349
o rly?

>>15651539
by making really REALLY angry faces at anyone daring to lul at the implessive chinese dragon

>>15651526
So did the US government declare this or did nasa because if it’s nasa then I’m pretty sure they just want to spook the government into giving them a bigger budget out of fear.

Not like they would do anything with more money anyway except find new ways to embezzle or waste it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAjDKoeo4TI
White Knight is taxiing.

>>15651647
prepare for death kino

>>15651651
T-60:00 until it's time to pull the tail release lever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAjDKoeo4TI

>>15649706
>I've heard people say that he is
No you haven't.

Is VO going to build more planes? No way they can be profitable with only one plane, they need to do this multiple times a week if not a month

>>15651644
Ballast Bill is at it again

>>15651442
reminder to always use a separate computer for porn, spaceflight could depend on it

>>15650779
yes it's very sad, when we run out of oil we'll have to start salvaging from museums

>>15651651
this one is worrying me. idk. I just don't trust the level of safety of the craft. Dragon had NASA breathing down SpaceX's neck.... not this

LIVE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7D8kPNU7eo

Daily reminder we would already be living on interstellar ships if it weren't for the "need for more F35s"

>>15651699
NasaSoiFaces BTFO

when space tragedy strikes, we won't have jerks in /sfg/ being like "LOLLLLLL LMAO HAHAHAHAA" right? We're better than that?

>>15651711
>pre-coping
LMAO

>>15651711
Depends on who it happens to

>>15651713
post cope withdrawel

Keisha is like 'this is a great day for Caribbean's' but she won the lottery for the ticket. Not really impressive.

ourgirl is back

>fly to space
why are they lying? this shit is so corny and bad. they're literally going on a rocket plane and coming down a minute later

>>15651711
Want to think about something annoying? Not that I use the /sci/ front page, but flat earthers and space is fakers would never shut up about how they were killed in a conspiracy.

DIVERSE MOTIVATION
RICH DIVERSITY OF HUMANKIND

>>15651719
You're missing the point. Her only flaw is not being hot and wearing a skin tight flight suit

>>15651727
I just assume those are bots and trolls. It's easier than trying to rationalize something so retarded.

>>15651737
i like her daughter

>>15651739
flat earthers are real I just don't know if they come here or stick to their own forum. But this classic fake quote would suggest they do

>>15651707
>implying china wouldn't have curbstomped the US by now if it didn't have a pathetic military by comparison

>>15651725
The X-15 managed to go 50% higher and almost 2x faster, in 1963

>>15651711
You mean like the chinese celebrating the failure of the japanese lander?

She’s 100% work for NASA or some other space company right? She’s 18 and this is definitely going to change the trajectory of her life

How the fuck is the NSF stream so far ahead?

>>15651770
China is such a dick, I wish they'd collapse into a bunch of little ethnic territories again.

Im guessing going suborbital will be part of astronaut training in the near future?

these little 0g joy rides are so lame

>>15651777
Sounds like a good requirement, I'll begin the lobbying

How do I find a gf who looks like this

>>15651776
I'm wholly convinced it's just the diaspora, and that villager dong from hunan province doesnt really pray for western orbiters to blow up or care about shitting up threads on bornean egg juggling forums

New pics of Stargazer from Venus Aerospace. Airbus recently invested in them

https://www.venusaero.com/stargazer/

>>15651791
Isn’t that most cultures? I do wonder what Soviet people thought of the moon landing though

>>15651795

Passing the karman line but not achieving orbit should've never earned astronaut wings. It doesn't matter if you're a badass pilot in the 60s, you're not in space. When we casually go to commercial space stations and the moon, high altitude flights are going to be nonsensical as the same category. But by then being an astronaut won't be a special title, it'll be about as impressive as "sailor", so I guess it doesn't matter.

>>15651711
Nah, when Artemis loses enby muttstronauts due to NASAs DIE program I will be mocking tf out of those deaths

https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1689661576352083968

https://twitter.com/thePrimalSpace/status/1689610974020423681

is it like 3.5 months from the previous launch now? kind of forgot
how long are these procedures going to take? like 2 weeks?
hot staging ring like a week, the other shit like a week in total

>>15651789
>the tail butter

>>15651795
>Mach 9
> can use normal airports
This kills Starship e2e stone dead

>>15651796
>Isn’t that most cultures?
Every single one, from what I observed.
>I do wonder what Soviet people thought of the moon landing though
IIRC most people either didnt care or were impressed, while the gov't promptly declared that a manned moon landing was just bourgeois arrogance and needlessly risked lives and that it never mattered in the first place

based Russell S

>>15651823
Youtube chat was filled with "SELL" as soon as they played the beginning ad.

>>15651823
youtube chat is so funny. One of the only places on the internet where the terminally online freely mix with normies.

>>15651804
>checklist
•Two weeks
we're back lads

>>15651776
China is mostly Han now. So there wouldn't be that much break up. Maybe lose some western territories that's it's

>>15651790
you can easily find where she lives

Why are thirdies so delusional?

new manley https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ngVl6iO94c

>>15651891
indians gross me out far more than chinks

>>15650630
They'd have to find silica and quartz rich deposits on the moon to be able to have a budding microchip industry on it. Not impossible, but will be difficult initially. However, Earth will still be able to enforce quite a constraint on the body, because direct ballistic approach is 1.5 days on chemical thrusters and probably under 6-12 hours once fusion torches become unlocked. I would expect that by 2050-2075 for fusion torches on ships to be a common occurrence, and would be genuinely surprised if we haven't cracked fusion by then.

>>15651906
Looking forward to Chandrayaan 3 crash analysis

>>15651912
do NOT redeem debris sir

Average bard fight. I actually feel bad killing wizards.

>>15651912
Kek

>>15651309
>>15651249
I hope to live long enough to potentially have the option to retire on 1-2km long hollowed out asteroids with an internal closed loop ecosystem spinning at 0.5-0.75g. Which might be a viable thing in the next 50 years, if by the end of this decade, there are boots on Mars courtesy of Starship. Because once SpaceX can successfully land Starship on Mars with humans and with a few hundred tons of cargo or even few dozen kilotons of cargo, the space race will accelerate massively. Colonization, expansion, innovation, all will massively accelerate where we'll see a 10x increase between 2030 to 2040 and 10x that from 2040 to 2050.

>>15651790
Middle East, North Africa

>>15651911
>rich deposits
no need.
they will use more energy intensive methods such as molten oxide electrolysis.
therefore silicon can just be obtained from indiscriminate buckets of regolith.

>>15651920
>spinning asteroid at 1g
this doesn't work even in the slightest. stop regurgitating scifi
the tensile strength is not there.

>>15651922
You'd need to be able to produce energy at a level to be able to leverage that, and I don't see a path to that easily as yet. Plus, the Moon is composed of olden Earth; so it's more ideal to search for those deposits in the first place. Their likely locations would be in cooled lava tubes, which incidentally would double has massively shielded underground habitats. Its a total win win in that sense.

>>15651927
Hey, fuck you. Sci-fi is worth dreaming for.

>>15651929
>Hey, fuck you. Sci-fi is worth dreaming for.
So dream about cylinders or toruses.
The reinforced spinning asteroid is a thoroughly deboonked idea

>>15651906
>basically pajeets can't into integration testing let alone SITL and HITL
many such cases

>>15651947
Testing is bloat>>15651947

>>15651947
also their landing algorithm seems like hardcoded junk instead of trajectory optimization given the constraints.
it should know its maximum rate of rotation and account for it such that it doesn't violate its prime directive of not crashing.

>>15651927
do you mean spinning an unmodified asteroid?
it seems like either glass or metal or a combination of the two would work

>>15652019
>glass
delusional
>metal
You would need more bracing material than would be required to just build a pressure sphere of the same size.
You do realize an asteroid of sufficient size spinning that fast is between millions and billions of tons of rock pushing outwards due to the insufficient tensile strength of said rock?

>>15652047
actually he said 1-2 km long.
it's between billions and trillions of metric tons.
just plain delusional.
build an oneill cylinder or a sphere like a normal person.

>>15652047
I'm just replying to
>spinning asteroid at 1g
clearly there's a point between unmodified asteroid and metal tube that would work
the question is just how much of the asteroid can you keep and how much do you need to discard or refine

>>15652062
there is no benefit to keeping the asteroid.
just park your tube next to it and mine it for more tube.

If anything, Musk is an argument in favor of African colonization

>>15652079
No more colonization. They should no longer exist, too dangerous to be left alive.

>>15651891
If they admitted how permanently inferior they were they'd kill themselves.

>>15651910
true

>>15651911
>because direct ballistic approach is 1.5 days on chemical thrusters
Yeah and it's much easier to send things (rocks and bombs) back to Earth than it is for Earth to launch those things to the Moon. Also the residents of the Moon will, by vast majority, live in habitats that simply will not care about getting nuked. A kilometer of rock over your head and all your critical infrastructure is a big bonus.

>Musk has fully gone around the bend, now. This is KKK, Nazi stuff. He's the second-richest man in the world and he owns what remains the most powerful social media site for news and politics. He's a massive government contractor. There NEED to be congressional hearings.
https://nitter.net/whstancil/status/1689420061964926976
wtf

>>15649746
Looks like the perfect vessel for a trip underwater to see the Titanic.

>>15652195
only racism is powerful enough to take mankind to the stars

>>15652195
If you read the posts they got mad about it's just basic race/IQ data. Racial egalitarianism was always a religious proposition.

>>15652195
>I do metro policy research, focused on fair housing, school integration, and demography. Proud member of Do-Something Twitter.
never post again

>>15650499
Mercury gets turned into a manufacturing planet
Venus terraformation begins.

>>15652195
this is who calls you a nazi on twitter

https://spacenews.com/spacex-to-offer-mid-inclination-smallsat-rideshare-launches/

smol launch status:
>SOLVED

>>15652195
It's starting

>>15652195
https://twitter.com/monitoringbias/status/1689701208947109888

This is hilarious

>>15652195
These lefties really hate free speech.

>>15652195
Thank God for Elon Musk

>>15652195
Why do burgers have the right to vote again?

>>15652250
>says the people that get legitimately mad at spicy food jokes and call it white genocide

>>15651773
I noticed that too. They're about 30 seconds ahead of me when comparing livestreams.

Must be a cloud networking thing.

>>15652262
Hey man you're confusing is with those 4chan folks, this is 4channel

>>15652195
He's not wrong though, he's definitely a white supremacist. I love that Elon is flushing any goodwill he still has down the toilet follwing this guy to be an edgy faggot on twitter.

>>15651790
come to brazil

>>15652269
>>15652262
coping trannies. elon will never be nazi.

>>15652269
>He's not wrong though, he's definitely a white supremacist.
I wish Elon was one tenth as based as you fucking retards claim he is on the basis of no evidence at all.

>>15652274
But he already is, according to the "people" some anons keep posting from twitter, I mean X.

>>15652278
>twitter, I mean X.

>>15652262
Please keep your american meme's for yourself.
We euro's are already pissed of that the "whites cant cook" meme is finding it's way to our social media here.

Now lets get the thread back on the road.

>flushing any goodwill he still has down the toilet
reminder that this faggot posts regurgitated twitter opinions just like this all the time.
you can recognize his wording instantly in any faggotpost he makes

>>15652269
The DoD know they need him so he can chud out to his hearts content and commie weirdos like you and Stancil can only fume about it

>>15652262
>not an argument
>this strawman here hates a joke i just imagined being said
these lefties really hate free speech is all.

What is the point of selling 78 MB/s internet satellite services at $110 per month plus antenna, when I can get 1 GB of fiber and mobile for 15 bucks a month?

Is Elon's scamlink actually meant to be sold to glownggrs so that they can communicate with drones, spies and stuff?

>>15652195
the best thing about this post is knowing that nitter works again

>>15652309
Starlink is only worth it if you live somewhere remote without fiber

>>15652309
You're incredibly retarded. Go back to twitter

>>15652309
>78 MB/s
stopped reading right there.

>>15651911
>would be genuinely surprised if we haven't cracked fusion by then
we won't

>>15652331
>i know what will happen in 40 years.
stupidest take that you see all the time. touch grass

>>15652333
did you forget how nothing ever happens?

>>15649706
this is a new low for Musk derangement syndrome faggots like you, baka.
>>15649827
>>15649836

Those sickfuck retards think their shithole is corruption-free and doesn't stink...
>>15650453
Ikr, still could be worse, like Roscomos lmao

SpaceX continues to drink the smallsat market milkshake.

https://spacenews.com/spacex-to-offer-mid-inclination-smallsat-rideshare-launches/
>During a presentation at the 37th Annual Small Satellite Conference here Aug. 9, Jarrod McLachlan, director of rideshare sales at SpaceX, said the company will start launching a series of missions dubbed “Bandwagon” that will complement its existing Transporter line of rideshare missions.
>The Bandwagon missions will deliver payloads at altitudes of 550 to 605 kilometers and inclinations of approximately 45 degrees. “It’s a way of meeting the demand for the second most commonly asked orbit,” he said.

>>15652333
Fusion has been 10 years away for over 50 years so far.

>>15652309
Elon fucking my ass and I hate it

nobody cares if elon sacrifices children as long as he continues to make the world a better place

>>15652398
LK-99 will make Mr. Fusion real

Will the Space Force ever acquire space planes/space vehicles?

I want to see a shit ton of space force branded Dreamchasers and X-37bs do an elephant walk at Cape Canaveral

This shits not gonna fly next year is it

>>15652427
the engines might fly

>>15652432
You're being overly optimistic now.

>>15652309
Starlink isn't really meant for individual customers in poor countries where you live.

>>15652427
Their progress looks pretty far along. Might even beat starship

>>15651748
Not Descartes. Dark Shikari, and he was talking about 4chan.

>>15652458
that's why I said might

>>15652432
To think there might be a time when there will be engines... but no rocket to fly them on!

>>15652519
Yes, and?

>>15652427
Q4 2024 gives them 16 months to work with. You can get a lot done in 16 months, but H1 2025 seems a more measured bet.

>>15652419
The X-37B was transferred to the Space Force years ago.

One day you will be able to casually buy “fresh” (i.e. non-powdered) 2% milk on the Moon and Mars. Idk if it will be because someone figured out how to get cows there, or if supply shipments will get so intense that you can one day afford to import non-critical stuff

>>15652550
The trick is raising cattle from embryos without adults for a first generation. Once that's done it's just a matter of keeping them supplied with pasture and water.

>>15652419
They are a meme

>>15652556
Livestock is going to require some pretty massive habitat volume, unless you want to run everything like an efficient minecraft sweatshop lol. I hope it happens in our lifetime though I really want to see what engineers come up with and just how big lunar and martian colonies get

>>15652570
the solution is apparent

has it been established why the 4 Raptor engines failed during the static???

>>15652575
Good grief I’ve seen this image a billion times on /sfg/ and I’m still not sure what the hell it is

>>15652584
No. It is not more remakarble than a scrubbed launch for example just overhyped by twitter reply guys.

>>15652309
You are a retard.

>>15652586
Read the lore https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/2019/11/28/domes-are-very-over-rated/

>>15652575
fellow inflatable structure enjoyer

prototype inflatable sails

casual reminder that tires are inftable/tensile structures

blimps are inflatable too (pic unrelated)

>>15652584
I heard it was some issue with the GSE not spinning them up properly.

testing of inflatable spheres

and paragliders are of course ingenious inflatable/tensile structures

CPI inflation

inflatable hang glider

>>15652600
The space shuttle is an inflatable

>>15652419
The space force will own nothing and they will be happy

What the fuck is this

>>15652600
Yes they are.

t. motorcycle rider and solar moth fan

weird glider from early 20eth century

>>15652590
the inflatable plane reference was way more interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ-4uWwQ5HA

>>15652624
HLS airlocks maybe idk

>>15652624
>>15652643
Or OLM shit more likely

>>15652624
The only thing spacex has painted white was hls

>>15652590
Brainlet here, I still don't get how this works and how the cables are held up.
All I can visualise is something like the Millennium Dome which has huge angled cranes and ground anchors which are taller than the dome itself and keep everything else under tension

>>15652645
Oop I was wrong again I just checked twitter and people are saying it’s too big to be OLM. People are speculating it’s either some automated welding base, or some sort of engine install stand for the mega bay

>>15652649
mars has fuck all outdoor pressure so it's easier to lift things with internal pressure

>>15652649
The air pressure alone holds it up because Mars's atmosphere is only ~1% as dense. The towers are anchors to keep it from flying away.

>>15652652
>>15652654
Let’s say a pretty hefty rock (I’ll go with the size of a small toaster or something) made it through the atmosphere and tore open your tent. I assume you have a lot of time before it became truly deadly right? Like I don’t think it would pop like a balloon—just start leaking slowly. Correct?

where is the luna25 stream

>>15652660
yeah you would have to go repair it before the holes let more pressure out that you could produce

>>15652661
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgi2pIFrnW4
Live in 24 min

>>15652665
One of the worst mascots I have ever seen.

>>15652665
Life, death, taxes, and ‘love from india’ spammed in a live launch youtube chat

>>15652665
I can only see those triangular plates on the bottom as udders.

>>15652677
Inshallah rocket is success

>>15652647
Maybe this is early dev for Starship 12m?

if luna 25 fails, people will laugh and blame russian engineering
if it succeeds, they'll claim it was made by ukrainian scientists

>>15652654
I see.

Space events are typically timed to the second. How come it’s still unknown if Roscosmos or ISRO will make it first? Are both missions working with wiggle room or something?

>>15652685
Haha naw

>>15652665
There is already morning on Vostochy. And I will be watching this at 2 a.m. While there will be 8 a.m.
Hope that shit won't crush because that's another project that was delayed since 2016. Not as bad as Nauka. But Nauka was a fucking shitfest that was almost lost on orbit.
We don't know everything. Phobos-Grunt was also fine on surface. But then after crash everyone in Roscosmos started talking how it was a gamble on a gamble

>>15652691
Russians know about time of arrival to Moon and approximate landing site. But then on orbit precise location of landing will be chosen. So that's where wiggle room come from

>>15652709
Ahhh gotcha. What would be the funnier outcome? Luna 25 dying an hero, or russia sweeping a south pole record right out from under India’s feet?

>>15652703
Also roscosmos dropped official merch for mission, giveaway, book about all Luna mission will drop soon. So that shit better not fail

Guys don't watch official livestream until launch. That's a little bit cringe

STARTED

>>15652725
Alright they ended singing

>In its current form, Luna 25 is a lander only, with a primary mission of proving out the landing technology.
Wtf I thought they had already done this before

Holy shit bros the handsome pockocmoc announcer just winked at me

>>15652726
russia has the most beautiful little girls

>>15652732
They had, but they lost the technology :(

GODSPEED LUNA25

>>15652732
Everyone who worked on the space race Luna landers was probably thrown in the gulag or has been long dead

>>15652732
basically proves they expect it to fucking die

>>15652740
they did sample returns from the moon in the 70s! Quite impressive

This is russia though, not the soviet union. Are these even their achievements?

>>15652712
funniest outcome is the landers crashing into each other, basically impossible tho

>the short clip of the moon rover operator wiping his brow of sweat while driving it around remotely
lmao

why does he look so gay, I thought that was illegal there

>>15652752
KGB agents holding a gun to him behind camera kek

>>15652732
Well there is scientific equipment. But Luna-24 was in 1976. That was last time Russian/soviet lander was on a moon. So yeah. Need to relearn it

love the cheezwiz coating

At least if it lands we might get some of the best direct photos of the lunar surface back since apollo. China’s cameras suck ASS, although the chang’e’s are far superior overall compared to this shitsack

There is more white people than in the average NASA stream

Best rocket channel is starting in 1h.
It's morning there.

mobile service tower is clear of the rocket

>>15652770
Oh shit I forgot this was launching out of (((vostochny)))

>>15652757
>fixed side panels
How long are the batteries supposed to last in the cold and dark south pole? Is this just a landing stunt?

The pictures from Luna 9 were not released immediately by the Soviet authorities, but scientists at Jodrell Bank Observatory in England, which was monitoring the craft, noticed that the signal format used was identical to the internationally agreed Radiofax system used by newspapers for transmitting pictures. The Daily Express rushed a suitable receiver to the Observatory and the pictures from Luna 9 were decoded and published worldwide.[8] The BBC speculated that the spacecraft's designers deliberately fitted the probe with equipment conforming to the standard, to enable reception of the pictures by Jodrell Bank Observatory.[9]

>>15652772
Russia isn't really using Baikonur for anything these days except Soyuz/Progress launches to the ISS. The last time a Soyuz launched from there carrying anything else it was filled with OneWeb satellites.

>>15652780
It has heating

I like this webcast a lot, good job Russia

Oleg sighting

This is a rough model I made of a theorised Booster Engine Installation Stand being constructed at the Sanchez site. Currently the only pieces made are the ring, supposed clamp mounts, and pedestals.

>>15652309
congratulations you live near a fiber line you are not the target market for Starlink

>>15652810
you forgot something bro

https://tlpnetwork.com/news/2023/08/spacex-announces-bandwagon-missions
>SpaceX has unveiled plans to launch a new class of rideshare missions, known as "Bandwagon," to cater to the growing demand for mid-inclination orbits. The move comes as part of the company's continuous efforts to expand its rideshare offerings and provide greater accessibility to space for a wider range of customers.

If you've got a larger rocket you've just got free license to shit all over the business model of anyone with a smaller vehicle.

>>15652813
#SpaceX #Starship #Booster

>>15652815
Kek it’s over. Why even compete?
Anyone looking to pull an Astra these days basically needs to start out big, and needs to do reusability from day 1

>>15652570
That's what the lava tubes are for. Living quarters and industrial areas alongside/built into the walls, nature parks and livestock pastures in the middle. The only issues are sealing the tube and sourcing enough atmosphere.

>>15652770
Fuck I LOVE the Soyuz launch tower.

>>15652815
Total smallsat launcher death

>>15652586
>Large scale anchored pressure structure. The low pressure structure allows for the existence of the lake and eventually surface life forms. The structure covers a smaller Earth pressure habitat seen in the foreground.
> If we increased the Martian air pressure to 10% that of Earth, we wouldn't need pressure suits to go outside (just breathing masks). However, this increase in air pressure makes it easier & cheaper to build large pressure structures with breathable atmospheres inside.
https://marspedia.org/Paraterraforming

bruh what the hell is this jank shit lmao

>>15652824
legoland driving school

>>15652820
>sealing the tube and sourcing enough atmosphere.
Not terribly hard. The former is just an engineering challenge that I’m sure can be solved. The latter; well if you’re already ISRUing a ton of shit for fuel it’s not impossible to imagine tapping some of that for breathable oxygen
I think the true hardest part would be having enough geotechnical confidence in the structure (and any surface hardware above you) being safe long-term

>>15652750
lol, no

>>15652750
Calling it luna 25 is just larp

>>15652750
Yes. Russia is a successor of Soviet Union. That's recognized by every country in UN

Inside me there are two wolves
One knows pockockmoc is a laughing stock
The other loves Stoli vodka and the soviet anthem

>>15652853
I’m pretty sure your stolichnaya is made in latvia or something. I don’t know which brands actually come from russia

>>15652550
>buying 2% milk
You can stay on earth faggot

>>15652860
I drink Ripple unironically can I come

>>15652860
Are you one of those weird fucks who drinks whole milk?

What is the incidents rate of the vehicle?

>>15652862
Are you not?

>>15652868
you know whole milk is just 3% milk

>>15652866
79/82

>>15652866
139 launches. 135 successful

>>15652868
No I bend the knee to 2%, it’s the perfect consistency

>>15652871
The Globalists don't want you to know about 5% milk

Everyone watching the Luna-25 stream?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgi2pIFrnW4

It's nice to see they dream of moonbases too.

>>15652881
what they are really hiding is raw and barely pasteurized milk, the stuff that actually tastes good

>>15652871
Yeah, 50% better

>>15652881
Absolutely based and gold top pilled

>>15652884
I'm on a restaurant so I can't listen to it, will watch it regardless

>>15652900
it's in Russian

>>15652862
NIGGER