/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15651923
>He also took a multivitamin pill and drank a protein shake daily.
Trash the study and start over.

>>15651923
nice bait /fit/ would bite a lot more

>>15651966
It's bait for me to ask if something like this should be taken seriously at all?

I didn't wanna post on /fit/ because I thought the responses would be retarded.

Why the incredulity? He took in fewer calories than he spent.

>>15651923
>After 13 years, why is all major health advice contradictory to this method?
?? Everyone told you to eat less fatso

>>15651983
But all measurable health markers improved. That's not weird?

>>15651989
Weight loss alone can remarkably improve health. It's the number 1 confounding factor with all diet studies. There is a burgeoning body of evidence that calorie restriction is the best way to live longer.

>>15651978
It's literally 100% ALWAYS this, and yet for some reason people don't get the simplest equation of all time. Wanna lose weight? Eat less calories than what you're spending.

>>15651971
>It's bait for me to ask if something like this should be taken seriously at all?
If youre serious then youre the bait.
>I didn't wanna post on /fit/ because I thought the responses would be retarded.
Austically rigorous dieticians would "be more retarded" than a Mathematics and Physics based board?

They weigh their meals and count calories and vitamins, or theyre like me and gorge anything with super high calories like slices of pie and ice cream for breakfast BECAUSE IM AN ADULT NOW.

>>15652011
Idk man. As someone who's lost over 150 lbs and maintained it for several years, I just don't see how.

I had many failed attempts, and always failed before losing 30 lbs. Problem was I felt hungry and drained all the time and I still was eating too many calories. By the time I lost ~25 lbs, I had completely plateaued on the weight loss and my brain fog got to critical levels. Once I ate a nutritious diet, it was much easier to lose larger amounts of weight without feeling sick.

That's why I always assume the CICO model is useless despite being technically true.

>>15651989
Well the dude himself said maybe the health markers aren't the complete picture
>"That's where the head scratching comes," Haub said. "What does that mean? Does that mean I'm healthier? Or does it mean how we define health from a biology standpoint, that we're missing something?"
but then again its also that being fat is just that bad that subsistance neeting on cheeto diet is preferable.

>>15651923
>Should this be taken seriously?
Sure, but this is very old news.
the point is, if someone is fat, they should be made to starve until they're not fat. That's all there is to it.

>>15652028
>Austically rigorous dieticians
Have you ever been on /fit/?

>Mathematics and Physics based board
There's easily 10 nutrition/health based posts on the front page of the /sci/ catalog

How is everyone sooo defensive in thinking this is bait?

Thanks to everyone posting meaningful replies. I guess I should stop replying to the trolls lol.

>>15652031
Sure, the cheeto diet for weight loss is a stupid idea that won't work for most people. But the cico model is just cutting to the most salient truth of weight loss. That the healthiness of your diet doesn't matter if you eat too much. Satiety is the factor most people struggle with, and whole foods tend to be more filling than ultra processed. That's the whole effect in a nut shell. Obviously there's more to losing weight with regards to life circumstances and genetics, but all diets have to obey that fundamental law. There is no way to violate cico unless you are infested with parasites.

That being said, the consensus seems to be shifting towards overweight people having some kind of inherited satiety problem. That's why drugs like ozempic are probably the future. The willpower diet plan is clearly not effective with all the dopamine exploiting processed foods available these days.

The takeaway of the study is that what we understand as unhealthy foods are those which provide an unbalanced or poor input of macronutrients compared to the calories they provide, whereas healthy foods make it far easier to hit all the macronutrients for a decent calorie intake

i.e. you have a hope of being healthy even in adverse food buying conditions if you pay attention to what you are putting in your mouth

>>15651923
>diet
Calories in < calories out
Weight is lost.
>X4HGAY

"Nutrition science" is pure propaganda. Nutrition as a whole is too complex to be studied scientifically. The best you can make are some vague qualitative statements that the human body need a certain list of nutrients and that gross overconsumption can be harmful. Any claim that a certain diet was superior or allegedly more healthy than another one is nothing more than clickbait. Nutrition is an extremely individual thing.

>>15651923
>Twink diet
so that's how they achieve the ideal body type?

>>15652039

Practical, sensible policy that will be wildly successful.

>>15652050
>Have you ever been on /fit/?
Yeah, I used to browse there.
>10 nutrition/health based posts on the front page of the /sci/
Meme threads, very few people here take nutrition *that* seriously. A bunch of "In a new two week study..." as a tongue in cheek joke at the scientific culture of modern academia. Eggs are good, bad and lethal all at once.

While few talk about it...food is a HUGE deal in body building, but they will stress the other side of health, lifting. If you can find the actual body builders on /fit/, and they are a few there that look just below magazine tier, they would know some shit.

>How is everyone sooo defensive in thinking this is bait?
This is old as shit, I remember when this happened, someone bring up something this old will be seen as a meme, especially since "Should this be taken seriously? I am not too scientifically savvy".

[I flip through the /fit/ catalog]
Jesus Christ there are so many nutrition threads!

POST BODY, lets see if youre a fatty mcfat-fat and need to fuuuken lift more than nutritional micro managment.

>>15652323

>DID YOU SERIOUSLY JUST ASK A NUTRITION QUESTION IN /SCI/? HOW DARE YOU! YOU MUST BE OBESE. HERE ARE A BUNCH OF RANDOM ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT YOU. LOOK AT THIS PICTURE OF HOW SCRAWNY I AM. I AM STUPID ENOUGH TO BELIEVE THAT DIET MATTERS LESS THAN EXERCISE, HENCE MY TERRIBLE PHYSIQUE.

Jesus Christ dude, take your pills. You literally look like absolute shit. The fact that you're still piggy-backing off a 2/10 picture you took 2 years ago is wild. Not sure what I said that hit such a trigger for you but you're really losing your shit. Something must have happened to you to make you have such low self-esteem, probably even more than just having such a worthless physique.

Maybe see a doctor for both physical and mental help. Adults are having a discussion about nutrition.

>>15652390
>Jesus Christ dude, take your pills.
>DID YOU SERIOUSLY JUST ASK A NUTRITION QUESTION IN /SCI/? HOW DARE YOU! YOU MUST BE OBESE. HERE ARE A BUNCH OF RANDOM ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT YOU. LOOK AT THIS PICTURE OF HOW SCRAWNY I AM. I AM STUPID ENOUGH TO BELIEVE THAT DIET MATTERS LESS THAN EXERCISE, HENCE MY TERRIBLE PHYSIQUE.


POST. BODY.
>POST. BODY.
POST. BODY.
>POST. BODY.

Youre not doing what youre told because youre an arrogant man-child wanting affirmations instead of scientific data and inquiry.

...oh, and you may not like it...but this is what a standard male physique looks like.

>>15652390
>piggy-backing off a 2/10 picture you took 2 years
I go to the gym to lift, not take photos, so the few times I had a massive pump, had good lighting and was able to get pictures that highlighted the muscle instead of hiding them I keep them.

Youre reveal much of yourself without knowing it.

>Adults are having a discussion about nutrition.
Bhaha, my son...youre neither speaking nutrition, health, fitness or science. Go to /fit/ you lazy retard and stop thinking of getting fit, JUST. DO IT.

>I like this one but it hides my pecs, Ive worked on them a bunch but the lighting always makes them disappear.

>>15652562

Lol, that pic you just posted is not even a picture of you. That pic has been floating around the internet for years. Doesn't match the original pic you posted earlier.

>wanting affirmations instead of scientific data and inquiry.
Strawman. I posted a discussion thread. I guess it's hard for you to understand the conversation at hand.

Notice how almost everyone else is contributing meaningfully while you're just sperging out? It's clear to everyone that you're not smart enough to be part of this conversation so you posted a shirtless picture to try to hide your intellectual inferiority but only proved to be physically inferior as well. I couldn't imagine anything so sad.

>...oh, and you may not like it...but this is what a standard male physique looks like.

You're desperately trying to ask us to see your physique as average. Lol.
>Please everyone! I'm average, not scrawny!

Maybe if you work towards your goals, you could feel accomplished, instead of trying to desperately get validation by sperging out on 4chan.

>>15652578
>Go to /fit/ you lazy retard and stop thinking of getting fit, JUST. DO IT.

Getting mad and uncomfortable huh? Guess trolling /sci/ didn't give you the validation you want. Wild how you troll for your self esteem and end up making yourself look so self-conscious.

> I had a massive pump
Yikes

>>15651955
The way nutrition works is of you have all your nutrients covered it doesn't matter where the calories come from.

Nutrition matters when you have a deficit. There is no benefit to having more nutrients than your body needs.

>>15652589
>Lol, that pic you just posted is not even a picture of you.
LMFAO
Holy shit, what website did you migrate from? Your spasticly catatonic autism is off the charts.
>Strawman
Psychologist, specializing in Developmental Psychology and Physiological Collective Cognition.
>Notice how almost everyone else is contributing meaningfully while you're just sperging out?
I told you how to find the information you seek, you ignired it and acted like a retard because I hit too close to home.
>to hide your intellectual inferiority
I am well known here for being retardedly smart and adept in many, Many, fields of research.
>Maybe if you work towards your goals, you could feel accomplished
LMFAO.....My bucket list is scratched off, Ive been all over the world, been to war, inducted into many religions, have thesis i a dozen fields of research, mainly Number Theory, Theology and Psychology.

>>15652596
no u

Im currently in Israel to meet with Victor Porton, the Mathematician. We'll talk Math and Theology.

https://after-gospel.vporton.name/2021/09/08/deleted-quora-answer-who-was-the-smartest-person-of-all-time/

Pick up your cross and bear it, son.

>>15652630
>His mom said we cant have a sleep over, REEE WHAT A BITCH!

>>15652630
>I told you how to find the information you seek

No, you continued to show your lack of understanding of what a general discussion is and keep thinking I am seeking out personal fitness advice.

>I am well known here for being retardedly smart

Oh yeah dude, I believe you. This is how smart people act.

> many, Many, fields of research.
> , Many,

>have thesis i a dozen fields of research,
Yeah I'm sure someone who can barely handle a basic discussion on 4chan is really capable in academia.

All those achievements yet you get your validation from trying to prove yourself to anons

I'm sure it's impossible for brainlets like you to comprehend that I was posting a discussion post out of general interest. I have no doubt that you'll continue to show your lack of understanding.

It really bothered you to see a general discussion post that you weren't qualified to contribute to, so you decided to try to troll the conversation. Now you're all over the place, what a mess lol. I find it's funny when I see trolls getting trolled and they can't stand it.

>>15652646
>No, you continued to show your lack of understanding of what a general discussion is and keep thinking I am seeking out personal fitness advice.
You can also eat nothing but water and be fine too, you fats store plenty of fuel for the fire, and nutrient deficiencies can take a long time to become a problem.
>"For 10 weeks, Mark Haub, a professor of human nutrition"
Try ten months.
>>15652323
>Meme threads, very few people here take nutrition *that* seriously. A bunch of "In a new two week study..."
KNOCKED IT OUT OF THE PARK, AGAIN.

Passion...greatness is attracted to it.

>>15651923
reminder that covid literally disproves cico

>>15652655
Wow, you did it. You finally addressed the topic at hand. Good job.

>Meme threads, very few people here take nutrition *that* seriously.
Calling them meme threads doesn't really mean anything. They're still talking generally about nutrition. I didn't need an extremely rigorous in-depth convo about it. I don't find the level of rigor in /fit/ to be any higher, that's all I'm saying.

>>15651923
Thanks again to everyone who's given their thoughts on this topic

>>15652664
>You finally addressed the topic at hand.
No, I did it that here;
>>15651923
>What's the validity of this? What could be missing?
With;
>>15651955
>Trash the study

"New 10 week study suggests..."
Taking it not as bait was apparently the bait, thats its...lol....that he was unironic.

>>15652058
>inherited satiety problem

Food wasn't as abundant now as it was in the past, so it's not surprising so many people have this trait. What's originally good a trait for survival is now a health problem.

>>15652662
Just curious, how?

>>15653030
Because if you get put on organ-melting "loge saving medication, heavily sedated and put on a ventilator, what happens is you get organ failure and die.

>>15652234
>Nutrition is an extremely individual thing.
Is that why you personally eat a lot of cocks

>>15652234
True and real.
/thread

>>15652031
>useless
CICO is literally how it works so it CAN'T be useless. Obviously if you want to make it easier to follow you'll choose to eat things that take nutrition and satiety into account, like eating eggs + whole-grain bread + an apple instead of the equivalent in sugar.

>>15651923
why the fuck is there an entire industry built around weight loss when it's all literally just
>calorie in
>calorie out
go on a calorie deficit diet and you lose weight. do isometric exercises and you build muscle. eat plenty of greens and protein. what the fuck is so hard about this?

>>15651923
It's retarded but why would it be fake? A dietitian is obviously going to know human dietary needs well enough to devise a retarded weight loss program for a lark. Just take it for what it is and don't try to do it at home.