/sci/ - Science & Math

raptor status?

>>15645399
Space

>>15645400
Booster 9 was sent back to the build site last night. The launch site is quiet.

>>15645401
...the final frontier

>over 20 minutes with no staging
>falls off page 11 with no new thread
/sfg/ really is dead

>>15645411
I'll take quality over quantity.

>>15645400
dead just like sfg threads

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/08/amazons-first-internet-satellites-will-launch-on-atlas-v-rocket-not-vulcan/

Do you think that metallic hydrogen rocket fuel will ever happen?

>>15645456
So whose Atlas V reservation did they yoink?

>>15645464
It's not even proven to exist my neekeri

>>15645464
Without metastability, not a chance.

>>15645456
ULA won't have any atlas rockets left for starliner

https://www.space.com/boeing-starliner-launch-delay-march-2024

Starliner delayed to March 2024 (at the earliest)

>>15645475
You're not getting Jupiters magnetic field out of run of the mill liquid hydrogen

What are these used for?

https://fireflyspace.com/news/firefly-aerospace-debuts-elytra-orbital-vehicles-with-enhanced-on-orbit-mobility-and-services/

>>15645411
it’s the damn page 10 rule. If we hit page 10 at 3 in the morning there is a real chance of no one being around before it slips.
a midnight pacific time page 9 stage every once in a while wouldn’t be the end of the world.

>>15645518
>Elytra

I heard JWST found a question mark out in space
>>15645537
What?

>>15645400
green button

>>15645464
Metallic hydrogen rockets will be in common use before Starliner reaches the ISS and Jeff reaches orbit

>>15645553
>Metallic hydrogen rockets
No, metallic hydrogen superconducting surface to LEO floatcraft

>>15645537
low effort but still got a slight chuckle out of me

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/08/starliner-undergoing-three-independent-investigations-as-flight-slips-to-2024/

> A Boeing official said Monday that the company has delayed a crewed flight test of its Starliner spacecraft until at least March 2024.

https://www.thespacereview.com/article/4636/1

>>15645526
noob
Page ten lasts for an hour or more, and page 9 lets them know an hour before that. There's usually plenty of schizo faggots in EU time zones that there's a new thread within two minutes of hitting page 10.
Maybe the mods have actually been doing their jobs well enough that all the schizos were on tree-day vacations this time.

what's the actual limiting factor to ISS longevity, like what will break first

>>15645727
They need the Russian section to keep shit running, so there's a chance that the first thing to break will be pockocmoc.

Sierra Space moving forward with Orbital Reef

>>15645769
>no shitliner in sight
I wonder how they got astronauts up there.

>>15645777
not in dreamchaser either..

Luna 25 racing Indian spacecraft (already in lunar orbit) to the South Pole!
Launch window opens Aug 11, 2:05am Moscow time

>>15645769
I really hope Vast outpaces Axiom and Sierra because 7m diameter modules are the only thing my heart can accept after watching skylab footage. No, inflatable modules won't do.

>>15645782
How would you build a pretty sizable spinhab out of metal instead of an inflatable? Not trying to be condescending—asking seriously. Perhaps design several segments with slight curvature that gets assembled in-orbit?

>>15645777
Maybe they could throw them up there, probably be better than starliner.

Big ramp up of launches in august

>>15645518
It's a tug.

good morning /sfg/

>>15645860
If I were to realistically build a spinhab right now and had access to starship launches then I'd probably build it with sepperate metal modules that would be assembled in orbit instead of a full ring. It'd look more like the Hermes or the Endurance and less like Discovery one. I think it'd be advantageous because of added modularity and because you could do some interesting stuff like having the spokes they're attached to retract or extend to give different levels of gravity.

>>15645456
Tory: Where are my engines, Jeff!
Jeff: Where are my engines, Jeff!

>>15645723
Nah, I only got a warning. didn't feel like staging anyway

>>15645468
either given up on Starliner or somebody rebooked to F9
and either way, it was the right call

>>15646044
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Atlas_launches_(2020–2029)

>>15646055
Looks like they had A-V launches on the schedule all the time, but ULA's troubles caused that Vulcan launch to fall past some already scheduled launches.
And I'm going to count this as Jeff still not reaching orbit, since he's no longer with Amazon, and BO has no sign of reaching orbit any time soon.

>>15645409
These are the voyages of the starship Muskrat. Its two-week mission: to explore barren wastelands, to seek out new roggs and new colonies, to boldly go where no bezos has gone before.

>>15645422
I love this footage because it doesn't look real. The first ship-flip and successful landing looked CGI too. Like it doesn't belong in this timeline.

Maybe because of how shiny the stainless steel is it looks unnatural?

>>15646106
It hangs in the air in exactly the way that buildings don't, we just aren't used to seeing objects shaped like that do that. What do our brains compare the sight to?

>>15646106
I honestly thought the Starship flipping clip they use on the intro was CGI the first time I saw it. How the fuck does it look so perfect?

I propose that you can be anti-ESG but also pro-environment at the same time. Musk isn’t destroying le wetland ecosystem. But Califags flying out to texas need to remember not to leave their filth like they do in san francisco

>>15646118
Pack out what you pack in, any good person always should. I always have a garbage bag on me when I go out to the woods, I don't want to see trash in nature, where I go to see not-people.

>>15646120
Exactly. It benefits everyone. But it’s the classic shopping cart meme; you just have to accept that many do not give a shit and it’s depressing

>>15646118
>>15646120
>>15646123
You can always blame it on Musk.

>>15646132
I could if I was an idiot I suppose.
>>15646123
It should be legal to hurl bricks at litterers and their cars. Oh hey speaking of I wonder if they ever cleaned up the broken glass from that streamer's car at the OFT-1.

>>15646118
shit like this makes me want to invent a device that teleports any improperly disposed garbage back into the original garbage creator's house.

>>15646141
If you point a gun at somebody you can make them pick up their own trash, way less complicated

>>15646142
oh believe me, my second option would be a trash accelerator that accelerates trash through a portal aimed at the originator's scrotum.
but there's something poetic about forcing retards to live with the mess they have made.
it doesn't just teleport into the middle of the room either, it can clog up the toilet, get under the couch cushions or teleport directly on top of you.

>>15646118
Should have a 1000$ fine for littering.

>>15646142
kek based

>>15646137
>that streamer's car at the OFT-1
The fact that a piece of concrete too small to see created an exit wound gushing coolant was kino

imagine

Today i will remind them.

>>15646156
It got what it fucking deserved

>>15646162
Kate Tice telling me that she loves me?

every single day, bro, every single day.

>>15646138
Bogged ship

>>15646162
dragons

>>15646178
You don't have to
https://voca.ro/1foyTBI9bHOo

Imagine no starship and possible Falcon upgrades that would already be flying.

>>15646205
Wait what

>>15646205
Falcon XX -> MCT -> ITS -> BFR -> Starship

>>15645709
keep posting these articles, they're actually interesting and relevant to sfg

>>15646212
Oh I get what you’re saying now. Yeah. Falcon XX and reusable second stage

>>15645777
a trampoline

>>15646205

>>15646132
That's a good point all that trash was probably from the Mexicans that work at starbase that then got washed away by the water deluge system

>>15646118
Are you saying the beach should be closed for public who pollute the environment?

>>15646236
>the Mexicans that work at starbase that then got washed away by the water deluge system
"Reusable construction workers" is such a meme.

Doomfags BTFO, he still xeeted about the static fire

>>15646262
Doesnt change the legality of the situation at all

SPACE IS HARD

>>15646269
Its actually fucking crazy how spacex didn't file a C.A.N.Y.0 permit and the texan government isn't doing shit even though its blatant

>>15646262
Posted, not xeeted.

https://twitter.com/NASA/status/1688973975307620373

NASA Artemis II live

>>15646269
It's legal.

>Artemis 3
Dec 2025

>>15646293
he clearly xeeted. stop trying to make"posting" happen. it's not gonna happen

>>15646330
It has already happened. Get on with the times, grandpa.

>>15646333
respect your elders

CHINA TALK

I'VE HEARD THIS SAME TALK BEFORE

JUST LIKE ELON MUSK

ALWAYS THE SAME TALKING POINTS

FUCKK

WHAT DID THEY SAY, I CAN'T WATCH IT

>muh SpaceX
>muh Spacesex
>muh spessex

>>15646359
space sex

spacex needs to launch
they havent launched
and that's a fucking fact

SPACEX AGAIN

FUCKING JOURNOS

Just looking for a headline where NASA disparages SpaceX

Are we even going to get off this fucking planet or are we going to suffer with low-IQ retards who think Space is fake?

>>15646369
jim free should be in jail

>>15646369
Jim spoke about it first. How fixed firm price was a mistake because he has concerns about SpaceX. It was obviously a political hit piece that he put out, but it was expected.

>>15646376
spacex will be blamed for all artemis 3 delays regardless if it's true or not.

They should worry about every other company instead because they have even lower chance of making it on time. I mean Boeing still trying to make Starliner work.

>>15646386
Boeing flew SLS on time perfectly. SpaceX, not so much

AHHHH THE FRENCH

boring

I miss test pilot Astronauts

cute astronaut girl

>nsf

>>15646422
they have access passes to all major nasa events. youre jealous i know

Shove that Cygnus up your ass

>>15646381
>>15646376
when NASA asks SpaceX to let their astronauts ride on starship, SpaceX should remember this and say "fuck you"

>>15646397
SLS was originally supposed to launch in 2016

>>15646397
>SLS on time

>>15646316
Christ the redeemer

>Boeing flew SLS on time perfectly

fpfpfffpfffffftttttt

>>15646448
Elon should secretly put crew on starship hls

>>15646450
So was Starship

When is sincerelymoon launchin

>>15646106
well yeah, nasa paints their rockets cuz they want them to look pretty, not get the job done

>15646397
That is correct. SpaceX did not fly SLS.
It's so over.

>>15645978

>>15646486
he will be arrested on the spot if he tries

>>15646486
god I wish

the fuckoing OLM is empty

>>15646487
Pretty angel

>>15646468
They had a contract to launch in 2016? That's pretty amazing because at that time they were still fooling around with landing boosters. What was Boeing's excuse?

>>15646502

>>15646552
>They don’t advertise for killers in the newspaper. That was my profession.

>>15645709
>"we must not allow a space station GAP!"

>>15646544
Boeing was busy building the most powerful rocket to ever fly to orbit in history

>>15646316
they would call this christian imagery if this was a tv show

>>15646359
spay sex

>>15646587
second most, soon to be third kek

>>15646599
Poos have their own one

>>15646552
>I also like to build brown bricks with minecrap

>>15646604
Wrong. Starship has never flown to orbit. SLS will be king for years to come. It succeeded first try. Starship has a lot more massive explosions to go before the FAA shuts it down for good

>>15646613
Saturn V > SLS

>>15646649
Get with the times grandpa

How fast does starship need to launch? How many flights are needed for demonstration? If you launch once a month, that's still half a year to visit the depot with tankers 6 times. Assuming everything works.

>>15646677

>>15646691
They are not going to bother with any fuel depot until the system works.
Once the system works, starship should be able to launch once every few days to maybe once a day. Every rocket launched is returned to launch site.
Getting fuel to the site will be the bottleneck.

>>15646714
I have no idea how they plan to get enough fuel every time. Didnt it take like a full 2 days of nonstop truckers coming in to refuel once they called off the first launch attempt? That was already nonstop, I hope the industry for liquid methane is able to scale up to meet the demands because there will in the future be multiple launch sites launching multiple times a week.

>>15646714
How do you shrink 2 months to a few days in time to make Dec 2025 look reasonable

>>15646719
Starbase is experimental. For Florida, they'll likely be dialing in fuel pipelines from the oil tanker ships directly.

>>15646730
Whatever happened to that plan of scrubbing methane and LOX from the air? Didn't Elon promise some prize money for building a demo? And while we're at it what happened to the oil rig pads?

>>15646719
That's why I said a few days to a day.
I know the official plan is multiple times a day but that's not possible. I know they are working on on-site propellant manufacturing but IDK the status of that system.

>>15646722
By not sacrificing the pad and boosters every launch.
Once you catch a booster, that's it, you just shrunk launch times from months to potentially days. You already have a booster, it's on the launch mount, just waiting for a ship of which there are multiple per booster.
I will have to qualify that once one is caught, it will be a few weeks before thay booster flies again just because of inspections (if they just don't museum/scrap it) but the pace will only get faster and faster with every success.

At some point they are going to yolo it and fly it as fast as fuel comes in and I would make a bet thay happens before the end of 2025.

>>15646750
regulations and permits, pls understand
genuinely, they can't build a sabatier plant to pull CO2 out of the air because muh licenses
the oil platforms were a big money hole and starship wasn't moving fast enough to justify them; they've since been sold. Not sire if they're still looking into it as a later possibility but for now it's TX launches only with FL in the near future once it's a proven vehicle

Just found a new propulsion rabbithole to go down

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-37#OTV-6_(USSF_7)
>Magnetogradient Electrostatic Plasma Thruster (MEP) – Novel electromagnetic propulsion system
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetoplasmadynamic_thruster

https://digitalcommons.usu.edu/smallsat/2021/all2021/75/
>The results to-date have exceeded the Ball (SmallSat) mission requirements and indicate a total MEP 650 engine efficiency of 35.5%, thrust of 30 mN, and specific impulse of 1,581 seconds at a discharge power of 650 W in self-heating mode.
>The MEP 650 system has completed all testing identified to achieve a Technology Readiness Level (TRL) 6.

Never even heard of this one till today (have heard of MPD's)

>>15646754
>I know they are working on on-site propellant manufacturing but IDK the status of that system.
>>15646761

>>15646750
XPrize is for carbon capture, its not SpaceX related. The winner I think was some program who was using the ocean to scrape carbon, the ocean naturally recycles carbon most efficiently. So Ocean capture of carbon was seen as the most efficient.

ISRU is for Mars mainly due to necessity. On Earth, there's minimal necessity so they're still in R/D mode as its faster/cheaper/easier to do with current system on Earth.

>>15646677
God for just the price of that launch, we could have had 2-4 brand new workhorse rockets. For the price of the SLS program, we could have had 10 new heavy lift vehicles, each from whiteboard to rocket.

There is something erotic about high definition tracking camera footage. An aphrodisiac for spectrum dwellers

>>15646677
>Falcon gets the chad worm logo
>SLS gets the cuck meatball

>>15646243
Mmmmm i’m not sure. I have a lot to say about it. (ESG idiots, public beaches in texas, the right to have access vs closing it to help SX move faster, the local “native american” population who claim the beach is sacred to them but who also apparently don’t give a shit to move their own tribal recognition paperwork along with the federal government so do they really give a shit…)
I’m literally pulling out from my work as I type this so I’ll have about an hour to think about it on my way home

>>15646691
Enough times to do a fuel transfer demo, uncrewed Lunar landing and fill a depot.

>>15646243
the retards who do shit like this are the same ones complaining about starbase and saying the road closures should be illegal so they can dump their trash on the beach and do wheelies on the dunes.

Artemis 3 wont have a landing because of spacex starship delays

NUETRON HARDWARE NEUTRON HARDWARE

https://investors.rocketlabusa.com/events-and-presentations/default.aspx

>>15646904
>stage 2
So they did the easy part

>>15646902
It might not, but if it doesn't the landing is going to be massively delayed since every launch from A4 onward is going to need the Exploration Upper Stage and the new mobile launcher. Good luck getting those done any time soon.

>>15646902
Awesome, we get to save $4 billion on the launch cost

>>15646904
Petyr beck build that HIMSELF??

>>15646904
Carbon fiber is going to fuck them over long term

>>15646902
And the next SLS won't be avsilable until the late twenties, forcing NASA to use Falcon/Dragon to conduct the landing.

Freeing Artemis from SLS is the best possible outcome.

>>15646984
>>/wsg/5217376

>>15646984
>>>/wsg/5217376

>>15646902
>It's the lander's fault bro

>>15646761
I don't think a Sabatier plant is prevented by permits, they do also have the air separation plant for LOX I think, not sure if that ever came online though. I think methane production on site is probably just not worth it.

>>15647045
Dont forget a year of lawsuit delay, ~2 years of environmental impact assessment assessment delay.

Also, "we're in a race against China" NOPE.

>>15647081
Yeah that’s what the black block is for. I decided not to throw in the environmental stuff only because development for HLS was still happening via designing and testing. But during the lawsuit they weren’t allowed to do anything HLS-specific at all
And hahah exactly, it’s not a “race” when there are youtube videos about orion and constellation that are 20 years old now. We are doing the bare minimum needed to keep jobs alive, nothing more

>>15647045
what is even going on with the suits

A long time ago nasa is like "this is the moon suit". Then it dissapears and I'm pretty sure I've seen different suits since then. What is the moon suit? Who makes it? Is it done?

>>15647102
Suits cost more than Starship

Because LMAO

>>15647102
spacex will build gay suits years before axiom builds cool suits

>>15645399
This is an Apollo Qts thread now

>>15647102
Basically NASA kept telling congress they had suits figured out but then somebody somewhere started looking at the numbers and got suspicious and did an audit and it turned out the suits were way, way, WAY fucking behind schedule so the fix was to just start over from scratch with commercial partners, many of whom were by this point had just started planning and/or building lunar suits anyways

>>15646561

lunar landing 2030. sigh.

>>15646561
kek

>>15647121
why cant they just update the designs used in the apollo trips

>>15647121
>demand something physically impossible
>just keep fiddling and kicking the bucket down the road because you know needing the suits is all a decade away anyways
>same budget, year after year

> Artemis

>>15647166
That’s what they were literally doing and it was costing them more than Starship for a single suit

>>15647172
if it was too much for the diversity hires then just replicate them one on one as per original blueprints. What kind of dedicated space agency has trouble with basic enviro gear

>>15647182

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3229990/chinas-hypersonic-tungsten-rod-experiment-challenges-us-rods-god-space-weapon-concept

Chinese study of Rods from God concept. Interesting results.

>>15647196
I’m convinced the chinese just scour western popsoi forums and do a bunch of preliminary studies on stupid ideas

>>15647201
Given that they tested this in 2018, I think the Chinese are ahead of the curve a little in cautiousness. They likely saw the potential of such a weapon being used by US with the Starship/Falcon Heavy type vehicles

>>15647192
he looks, dare i say, suspicious?

>>15646138
why is his face so puffy

>>15645518
They rebranded SUV

>>15646904
>congestion clears from other launch competitors
Right now it's just them and NG at Wallops, right? Do they really hog the range that much?

suits schmoots I say just send them up with a few rolls of duct tape

https://twitter.com/SpcPlcyOnline/status/1688973634608500743

>>15647248

>>15647248
https://twitter.com/garynapier/status/1688981441470713856

China launched a 5m synthetic aperture radar satellite about an hour ago. 41 years after its first flight and the LM-2C is still putting in work.

>>15647248
>We’re holding our timeline
>Could be we fly a different mission
Holy fuck are they going to change Artemis 3 to be another flyby

>>15647252
What the fuck does this nigga expect? No lander of any sort would be in good shape right now, rocket or not

>>15646459
What would the legal consequences of that?
How would they even keep that project quiet.
>SpaceX continues with the normal plan up until it's suppose to dock with Artemis then starts up the stream of their people starting to land.
>Elon's face when

>>15647258
The unspoken idea is that they'd send A3 to sit in Gateway for a while if they can't manage a landing. The problem with this is that there's no guarantee that Gateway is going to be done in time either.

>>15647256
So has the LM-2C been their Shuttle?

>>15647252
What the fuck do they expect? They awarded the HLS contract to SpaceX less than two years ago

>>15645687
>2024
its over

>>15647283
It's really a lot closer to their Delta II, but they do have ~150 launches between the 2C and 2D and the 2F is what they use to launch the Shenzhou.

>>15646966
>>15646904
Yeah, it'll implode just like that submarine.

>>15647284
they expect it to be delayed, but this is just a way to scapegoat SpaceX so they get some attention off SLS and Artemis going over budget and having to ransack other programs
I think this isn't the first time Free has said something similar

>>15647284
>>15647318
>ITS TIME TO DELIVER

>>15647248
why is this chud wishing well to russia

>>15647312
I was thinking more on the terms of economics. It’s probably not easy to work with already. It’s not scalable, and it already has thermal issues in simulations. It would be half as expensive if they were simply working with steel or aluminum

https://twitter.com/RocketLab/status/1689065195799449601
>10 new Electron launches signed recently, including multiple missions for @BlackSky_Inc, @synspective and a government customer. Plus, a new HASTE launch from LC-2 to top it off. The era of frequent, reliable, and dedicated access to orbit for small sats is here.

I really hope that more than just one of these is launching from LC-2

>>15647324
a single building bought 2 whole rockets??

>>15646996
I chuckled

>>15647258
No suits? No lander? No problem!
touch and go landing in orion. Just fuckin clip the moon

>>15647252
what if the real reason spacex got the contract is nasa looked at the skyscraper landing on the moon and said "this one is going to take the longest so we can blame the delays on it"

>>15647367
High. Or somebody hated Elon Musk, thought his proposal was farcical, and decided this was an opportunity to give the man enough rope to hang himself with.

>>15647367
>>15647372
As long as there stainless strown accross the the moon in the next few years, I'll be happy. Maybe the national team will finally have some sketches in soildworks done by then.

>>15647224
only works on your hands, not the rest of your body

>>15647372
>>15647367
I'll stick with the original

>interm NASA acting admin choose SpaceX because he thought SpaceX would be the best chance of advancing American interest both long and short term.
>new Biden NASA admin seethes at the decision
>new Biden NASA admin demotes and effectively removes anyone who worked to advance Starship from duty
>new Biden NASA admin puts a new chief in charge of HLS
>new Biden NASA chief makes remarks about SpaceX to appease his boss

Serious question, once humanity makes it to Mars and soon finds it's first Earthlike planet. What will happen to Earth?

>>15647410
World wide nature preserve

>>15647401
I'm sure there's been some seethe, but Nelson has also spoken surprisingly positive about SpaceX and fixed-price contracts so honestly I think he's fairly happy. I'm sure he realises Starship threatens his baby but I think he also sees that without SpaceX SLS will get fuckall to the Moon this decade and that's probably the longest he can stay administrator. Demoting Lueders and promoting Free were dick moves for sure but I have some remaining hope that it's just to appease Boeing and the seethers in NASA and that Free's posturing will remain just that and not actually lead to reconsideration of fixed-price. Maybe it's copium but so far Nelson hasn't directly attacked SpaceX I don't think.

>>15647410
earth will fall into legend and eventually be forgotten entirely.

>>15647415
Or even better, a UN controlled safe zone.

>>15647414
He was dead silent about SpaceX for nearly a year or so.

>>15647414
Yes, Nelson and NASA in general are VERY supportive of Starship HLS and absolutely love it because they know they just saved a bunch of money and time and got some amazing capabilities
it's Congress who is seething, which as you might imagine causes problems for everybody

>>15647410
I'm assuming you meant "makes it on Mars" and not "to Mars". On mars means they'd established a self sustaining civilization that would be independent of Earth. At mars means it would just be the first few humans walking. The difference is huge. So assuming you meant "makes it on mars", then if Earth didn't destroy itself or devolve itself or has gotten into a war with Mars, there will be more expedition towards the rest of the solar system and then more. More breakthroughs/design changes in engines/power/etc would be needed to do those

>>15647367
Low, they almost literally had no money and NASA was pretty much expected to make two decisions for lander finalists. There was probably, unironically, back door talks between bolden, big jim, a few competent congressmen who understood what was going on, and the interim team in charge of NASA - and they decided the only thing they could afford to do was go with the cheapest option (incidentally SX) and the best time to do it would be between administrations

>>15647410
TND

>>15647410
Are you insinuating we land on mars and then quickly find some habitable exoplanet and land on it? The fuck?

>>15647447
Yes.

>>15647410
nothing because interstellar travel is practically impossible

>>15647324
In terms of rocket startup, Rocket Lab is in a distant second place and still miles better than the rest of the competition.

Electron is a model rocket and nothing more.

>>15645916
why not like the hermes but with just 4 more sections to complete the ring
you can ecen see what look like hatches on the sides

>>15647466
It's sad how no one else in that end of the market has managed to achieve even a regular launch cadence. Virgin Orbit and Astra pulled it off briefly before dying. Firefly seems to have fallen back on being an appendage of the military-industrial complex that can survive without having to deliver much or quickly. ABL N1'ed their launch pad at Kodiak and hasn't been heard from since. None of the European small launcher seem to be on a healthy trajectory. There were so many of these motherfuckers a few years ago it was hard to keep track of all of them and now the scene is just DEAD.

>>15647480
it put more mass in orbit than blue origin ever did

>>15647457
I appreciate the spirit

>>15647427
>Nelson and NASA in general are VERY supportive of Starship HLS and absolutely love it because they know they just saved a bunch of money and time and got some amazing capabilities
I guess this means nothing to the FAA, short of NASA threatening to whack someone important at the FAA. Actually, NASA needs to do that.

>>15647508
ever will

>>15647522
that would upset Congress

what happens when Kuiper misses the deployment targets by FCC?

>artemis is now NET 2026
>china is NET 2027 and sliding to the left
heads will roll if china lands before america does

>>15647530
Extension ofcourse

Political support for Kuiper will grow as the democrats will try to support it against Starlink

you can make an 8-segment spinhab with a reasonable amount of gravity at a manageable rpm and twice the internal volume of the ISS with starship. Barely any orbital assembly required, just snap them together like legos. If you're smart about filling up extra space you could maybe fit most of the additional structure required into the module launches, and then only need a couple extra to finish up.
And this is just mspaint and some napkins, an actual engineer could do better. Why is nobody trying to do something similar?

>>15647531
I know the Chinese aren't the most open about their developments, but have they showed any actual lunar hardware so far?

>>15647539
>just snap them together like legos
/sfg/ handwaving orbital assembly per usual

>>15647530
A lot of it depends on how far they're behind by. The worse they're behind by the harder it'll be for the usual backroom dealing to keep the project viable. The FCC is fine with playing favorites but they HATE people sitting on spectrum that they're not capable of adequately using.

That said, I took a look at what they needed to do to meet their deployment targets and they needed to have one dedicated Vulcan, Ariane, or Atlas launch per month starting back in January. This mess is only going to get worse.

>>15647531
Nope. Its by design. ~3 years of regulatory delays on SpaceX + potentially more delays for court drama.

NASA isn't serious. US isn't serious about going to the moon.

>>15647535
musk really needs to get over his no advertising bullshit and start filling the media with all the unambiguous moral good that starlink does. It's outrageous how the bs "light pollution" wapo spin is the predominant narrative in people's heads rather than disaster relief, hooking up remote communities, global emergency calls, ukraine military communications backbone, etc.

>>15647551
I think a better proposition is to remove the Biden from office and install a Republican. Then institute institutional reforms for the country. Remove the unelected communists from the office that sits in FBI, CIA, NSA, DHS, CDC, IRS, etc.

>>15647531
If you are a real fan of space you're rooting for China at this point, and while the bioweapon oopsie irked me, rooting for them isn't hard because my country deserves the humiliation.

>>15647543
There's a lot of testing footage of the YF-100K engines that the LM-10 is going to use, and I think someone reposted a picture or two of a core stage test tank a while back. They had a working prototype of their next-gen capsule but I think it's undergone a major redesign since it's last test flight back in 2020. Their lander is still in the concept model stage.

>>15647547
just put me up there with my boys and we'll get it done

>>15647553
>install a Republican.
Why do you want to go backwards to the 1820's, anon?

>>15647556
At least it will be cool to see a few Apollo style lunar missions during my life time.
I guess they will do a few test missions before doing a landing right? This could take a whole while so I still don't believe they will do it before Artemis does.

>>15647410
Look at us now. Imagine how bad its going to be 100 years from now. Hopefully they'll be merciful and blind us dead in a cleansing bombardment.

>>15647559
The IRS was founded in 1862. The Federal Reserve was founded in 1913. Almost all political power was held by someone who got their job via a ballot rather than an appointment, and the bureaucracy as we know it simply did not exist. The federal government itself was so small you could run it off of tariff revenue. You could own any gun you wanted with no questions asked and elected officials understood that they could and world get shot if they didn't preform well in office.

A better question is why the fuck do you not want to go back to the 1820s?

>>15647547
fuck you we do that shit all the time

>>15647566
The landing is penciled in for the sixth flight of the LM-10, so it looks like they're going to do two full testing runs before they try for their Apollo 11 moment. My guess would be one unmanned run to test docking, deep space comms, etc, then one manned flight to LLO maybe with an unmanned landing, and then the big event. It's a fairly conservative program overall so I don't think a landing by 2029 is out of the question.

>>15647572
The brains of more than half of our people were wasted, democracy is a trap, and firearms are for cripples and women.

>>15647572
Gov that fears its population is better than gov that doesnt fear its population.

US needs to return back to US. And not turn into buerocracy garbage thats trying to emulate China like EU is.

>>15647592
>Gov that fears its population is better than gov that doesnt fear its population.
You have a much higher opinion of the population than I do.

>>15647554
Thanks, Zhang.

>>15647595
Other people aren't your enemy. Artifically construct golems are. Government, institutions, agencies, regulatory frameworks, legal frameworks, etc.

The spooks are what controls us and makes us. Thats the enemy.

Something needs to be done about Jim Free

>>15647617
Tail end of the problem. He's just the symptom. A puppet put in place by his master.

>>15647603
>Other people aren't your enemy.
Having grown up in a place that was a bucket of crabs, I can authoritatively tell you you're full of shit, anon.

>>15647587
They're going to use two rockets per mission right?

>>15647620
Crabs run on certain populist OS installed by the media.

>>15647624
Pretty to think so, anon, but the crabs out-date mass media by centuries.

>>15647531
>china is NET 2027 and sliding to the left

China is NET 2029 and that is extremely optimistic.

>>15647623
Yeah. LM-10 in roughly the same class as Falcon Heavy which means it can probably lift about 21 tons to TLI. You'd either have to split up the lander and capsule or run a tiny-size mission like what the Soviets were planning for the early N1s.

That also means that we could run a similar style of lunar mission using just FH, but I try not to think about that.

>>15647641
I dont know if you'd consider it extremely optimistic. They're the only one in recent history to have done a landing mission on the moon multiple times. They have an active rover on the moon right now.

The only country to do activity on the moon itself in the last ~50 years is China. So they know the mechanics, they have demonstrated it for nearly a decade, and have been learning more/more from the moon.

US has all hopes on SpaceX and US is holding SpaceX hostage with all these nonsensical regulation paperwork filings.

>>15647660
Landing a small probe on the Moon's surface is very, very different from China's manned lunar landing architecture. Of which none of the pieces currently exist.

>>15647679
>none of the pieces currently exist.
They're working on it

>>15647660
>US is holding SpaceX hostage with all these nonsensical regulation paperwork filings
No, it isn't, and I'm tired of pretending otherwise. If anything SpaceX is holding SpaceX hostage by refusing to do their paperwork in advance and always waiting to the last minute and doing the bare minimum (this is an exaggeration, but if SpaceX started their permitting processes earlier and didn't act so cavalier things would go a lot smoother). The regulatory agencies have been quite accommodating with SpaceX all things considered. Who the fuck else gets away with barely a slap on the wrist after launching a rocket without full permission?

>>15647679
>moon covered in a chinese flag
what did they mean by this?

>>15647636
more than a million centuries

>>15647689
The fact that they were forced to drop the original water deluge system from the plans due to potential delay on EIS assessment? The fact that EIS assessment was delayed by nearly 2 years?

Its nonsense. Who else gets away with slap on the wrist? Any country that wants to put man on the moon. US isn't serious about it. The Biden admin is intentionally delaying all things SpaceX regulatory wise. Its not a coincidence. They've been trying to take control of the SpaceX regulation side with NTSB trying to sneak in. The NHTSA has been extremely hostile to everything Tesla. One of the Biden appointed person person to lead the NHTSA even tweeted about physically assaulting Musk and punching him.

There's an obvious political regulatory fight happening

>>15647693
Nine-dash orbit aspirations

>>15647679
So you're saying the Chinese being the only country to have a lunar presence is a nothing burger and doesn't contribute an ounce to their manned lunar mission?

>>15647694
Okay, anon, literal crabs do.

>>15647693
They're too afraid to claim provinces now

>>15647686
Fat Five is my favorite so I’m looking forward to LM10

>>15647551
>needs to get over his no advertising bullshit
That would be giving money to people who hate him.
He’ll advertise on X.
Sufficient and cost effective.

>>15647689
>and always waiting to the last minute

When your timelines are weeks instead of years everything is last minute.

>>15647794
Wasn't this supposed to take years to finish this?

How come they did it in 3 months? Are they cheating?

>>15647689
I guarantee you they're submitting their paperwork as soon as possible, but I do agree with
>The regulatory agencies have been quite accommodating with SpaceX all things considered
the only BS thing I can recall was the open comment period on starbase environmental review getting pushed back by months because of "unexpected volume"

>>15647702
Correct, a small lunar probe with completely different architecture does not teach you how to do a manned landing.

>>15647504
>European small launcher seem to be on a healthy trajectory.
Europe is a dead continent and a dead people. Anyone interested in rockets moves to the USA

>>15647686
Yes they are working on it, but your image isn't it.

>>15647504
>drinks your milkshake

Spacex needs to finish the faa investigation or all this work is for nothing

>>15647803
The volume came from SpaceX fan-youtubers who told everyone to go leave a comment on the review , coff coff Felix.. the FAA then had to read through all those comments because it's required, and also reply to confirm it has been read

>>15647248
We actually have Russian Lunar program with manned launches. We will annex moon. So that doesn't matter who was first

>>15648082
In the end, that was a right thing to do. Otherwise the comment section would be full of green cultists.

>>15648167
Of course doubters could say that nor Yenisei nor Orel even exist. But don't listen to doubters. We are going to the MOOOOOON

>>15648178
There are photographs of a real working russian nuclear space tug that's already finished

>>15647344
Just open the hatch and throw a flag like a javelin.

>>15647531
I've said it before and I'll say it again. This is bad. We played this game before.

The "race" shouldn't be about who can land first. It should be who can establish a functional base with near permanent human presence. Actual goals and science, not footprints.

>>15648294
Chinknoid footprints would be beneficial though, it would make the functional base the next logical milestone

>tfw raaashan nuclear space tug did not just flew over my house

>>15648328
It's all good bro

Luna-25 bros?
Are we back after 50 years?

>>15648337
No.

think I'm gonna kill the moon

>>15648343
You are not god.

>>15648343
Not before I fuck it

>>15647269
Nasa should be defunded and management fired. Trump is the only one who can fix this

>>15648351
>Implying any president would ever give a single shit about NASA
Go back to /pol/.

>>15648294
They need to start somewhere. China basically has the capability to put a small team on the moon right now if they dedicate to a small lander. Maybe not super heavy or capable but if they surprised the world with a completed lander in 1.5 years I wouldn't be surprised. People forget how competitive high functioning programs are in their schools, they're decently capatand have NO regulatory barriers that they don't want. They literally expend boosters over land. SpaceX can't even test a booster without calls for cancellations and months of reviews.

We hold ourselves back. I welcome our chinese overlords

>>15648359
Trump saved Nasa from Obama, and he will save it from Biden too

>>15648360
Can't type
They're decently capable and have NO regulatory barriers*

>>15648360
China is extremely strong

>>15648364
I was going to vote R, but you've convinced me to vote third party. Have fun losing retard, I'll vote R when morons like you don't dictate what the party goes after. Still never voting D.

>>15648337
We are back August 11 at 2:10:57 Moscow time

>>15645781
>Chandrayaan-3 Mission:
>Even closer to the moon’s surface.

>Chandrayaan-3's orbit is reduced to 174 km x 1437 km following a manuevre performed today.

>The next operation is scheduled for August 14, 2023, between 11:30 and 12:30 Hrs. IST
INDIA LOST
CHANDRYAN 3 TOO LATE TO ORBIT LOWER

>>15648377
But it won't be night launch. As it starts from Vostochniy. So it will be morning there

>>15648337
Fat technician. It's over.

>>15648372
Ok commie

>>15648378
Luna-25 can actually land Earlier that Chandrayan. But it's date of landing of Luna isn't certain. It will land 21-24 August

But of course it's not a race

>>15648387
Kinda funny how every country is beating the US on the moon

>>15648393
How are they beating the US?

>>15648393
Yeah. I don't think anyone beating US. US actually has real plans to land humans on Moon unlike Russia or India

>>15648385
I like how they don't bother wearing those clownish COVID plastic suits as the americans do.

>Oh no, we are contaminating the tinfoil

Russians probably piss on the craft as a good luck ritual.

>>15648395
Robots

>>15648409
For things like optical telescopes it makes sense.

And Luna-25 don't really have any significant scientific purpose. Its main mission is to test landing procedure

>>15648428
>TV camera
What's the resolution?

>>15648434
3 potato

(1/2)
— Here you need to start with the cameras. The "Luna-25" has an STS-L complex of 8 cameras. It consists of two landing cameras, which are installed at the bottom of the device and "look" at the surface during landing. The data obtained from them will be used to create a high-precision landing system for the next lunar missions. Accordingly, after landing, they will stop working.

In addition, there are four panoramic cameras on different sides of the device. If everything goes as planned, the device will be on the surface almost as soon as the Sun rises above the horizon. On the first lunar day (the lunar day is called the lunation), they will shoot a panorama. We will try to do this as often as available resources (telemetry volume, consumption) will allow. As a result, it will be possible to mount a "movie", as the panorama around the device changes during the day. And there are also stereo cameras that will monitor the work of the LMC.

Since we do not yet know what we will see, we will draw up a specific action program for the next lunations based on the results of observations received during the first lunation. It will be more difficult during the second and subsequent lunation, since panoramic cameras are designed to work only during the first lunation, and after a lunar night they are unlikely to be able to work. Plus, according to the experience of past missions, usually good ideas on how to conduct research come from the analysis and interpretation of the first data received.

(2/2)
But, of course, the preliminary program has already been formed. For the LMC manipulator, in particular, there is a minimum program and a maximum program. The first consists of uncoupling the manipulator from the transport position, where it is fixed on the spacecraft for the time of launch, flight and landing, and transferring it to the working position when it is ready for movement. In this case, the LMC will undergo a functional check, and then it will only be routinely transferred from one position to another in order to minimize overheating in the Sun and stabilize the thermal regime.

If all the procedures for landing and checking scientific equipment are carried out in normal mode, then we will have time to conduct a short program of research, including the first sampling of soil, already on the first lunar day. Here we need to understand that we will be able to work only in the morning or in the evening. No work is planned on the lunar noon. LMC and other equipment may simply overheat.

We will record all the actions of the LMC with the already mentioned stereo cameras. They are installed on the same side as the manipulator, and "look" at the working area near the spacecraft, where the excavation and sampling will be carried out.

The monitoring devices HADRON-LR, ARIES-L and PmL, for which direct contact with the ground is not important and which monitor the environment remotely, will start working on the first lunation.
So yeah. I don't know

>>15648447
>>15648449
We should ask our friends on dvach.

Told you

>>15648454
Told us what? That Twitter randos are completely fucking insane?

>>15648456
The arrests will be made within a month. SpaceX recorded a crime on camera

>>15648456
Yes

>>15648364
Artemis was Pence's baby. Needless to say, he would not be any part of a second Trump term.

Luna-25 official mascot

>>15648471
what the fuck is this shit
why is it a dog
why did they give a dog an anime girl face

>>15648471
it's a girl? this is important for what im about to do

>>15648454
Felon Husk has already been arrested. It'll be on the news soon. Two weeks tops. It's over for spacex bros stans. Trust Biden

>>15648471
I wonder if it's related to their MLP obsession.

>>15648471
Artsyle reminds me of the late-2000s era smiley faces.

>>15648478
Yeah her name is Sonata

>post Twitter retard making retarded post #65519234
>Guaranteed replies
EZ

>>15648495
People love feeling superior to others. Even if the other is just a plain retard.

how high does the superheavy fly? like 15km?

>>15648471
when will the russians draw porn of it?

Did people forget about LK-99 already?

>>15648514
tw*ttercels will move to the next hype fraud soon, or go back to "A""I"

>>15648495
>>15648520
It's not twitter anymore.

>>15648506
It should reach an altitude of roughly 40 miles.

>>15648527
i would like to see it irl

>>15648360
implessive

>>15648167
>50+ years
>doesn't matter who was first
>>15648393
it doesn't expire just because we haven't been there in a while
>>15648434
lol SECAM

Bros, I flew the airplane for the first time and I loved it. Views were breathtaking and one can only imagine how beautiful it would be to see the Earth from space, with your own eyes.
Kind of makes me wish I became a pilot, but it's a bit too late for me and what's worse, I my eyesight is not good enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLH2o7ASd0A
spacewalk in 2 hours

>post X retard making retarded post #65519234
>Guaranteed replies
EZ

>>15648475
Because russia is good at killing dogs in space. They know their chances of success are small

Exhibit A: phobos-grunt. Notice the chinese lander hitching a ride in the interstage

>>15648701
Exhibit B: Luna-25. Notice the comically empty interstage. Our 4ASS intelligence office has determined pockocmoc has no money and no frens, thus they couldn’t find a payload to put in there

>>15648701
Why can’t MSR have an architecture like this? It would have been finished by now and under budget.

>>15648701
* chinese orbiter, whoops
>>15648706
MSR should be cancelled, or kicked down the road for a later retrieval with commercial and/or international partners. It’s a resource hog right now and those samples can wait honestly. There are other missions that need a bigger budget

Well, NASA is officially done. We're now back to Cold War Space Race optics which means we are trying to get footprints again instead of a permanent presence. Fuck the moon, the chinks can have it get me to Mars already. The Terran planetary system can rot for all I care.

>>15648736
You’ve been demoted. You cannot cede land to anyone who isn’t american

>>15648741
I am not ceding shit as I am not in control of the US's territorial claims. You can stay here faggot, I'll be leaving for any other planet.

>artemis 3 is likely to be a gateway mission instead of a moon landing
imagine if we didnt have gateway...

>>15648762
Imagine if gateway’s not ready by then…

>>15648762
>gateway will be ready before HLS
Anon I....

>>15648701
>Fobos-Grunt
joke was on the chinks, superior pockocmoc quality meant it failed to leave Urf
>>15648736
>get me to Mars already
Once the commies in DC stop sitting on SpaceX they will eventually launch something during a synod. Next one is just over a year away.

>>15648736
NASA: it's joever
Space force: we're barack

>>15648762
>>15648764
>>15648781
Northrop is currently shitting and pissing itself because they’re struggling to convert a Cygnus into a simple human module on a fixed-price contract. A3’s Orion and SLS might unironically be ready to go at the deadline, but not have a destination to go to besides another lunar flyby

>>15648796
>commies
I already told you to go back to /pol/ gramps. Now fuck off our board.

First Diamant launcher concept from 1960
S1 was derived from the Super-Veronique, an unflown LRBA stage that later gave the Émeraude and Vesta rocket stages
S2 is derived from SSBT casseur, a cancelled tactical missile, later gave Agathe and the S2 of Diamant
S3 was a new stage, not yet in glass fibers however
Payload 20-30kg

>>15648821
Commies get the rope.

>>15648819
How fast could ESA whip up another ATV? Alternatively we could just ask JAXA for an HTV-X if it’s ready soon (they’re aiming for 2024)
If NG isn’t ready by 2026 they should be cut from gateway and fined

>>15648832
>How fast could ESA whip up another ATV
10 years after the end of ESM production line, so like 2040 if you go through old space.
The exploration company has some potential however in new space, got skills and beginning of hardware.

>>15648821
Imagine being so vain that you actually think that intelligence and enlightenment only bats for your political ideology.

>>15648819
The pressure vessel for the Cygnus is constructed by Thales Alenia in Italy, so the project is proceeding at the expected European speed.

>>15648841
Hmm good point. You could also just ask SX to expedite a beefed-up Dragon XL with windows but you’d need to find someone also willing to design a robust life support system quickly. I think SX outsources life support to ILC Dover if I remember correctly
Pic unrelated I just found it and didn’t realize there were new HTV-X renders from JAXA

>>15648845
Looking at the hardware production I doubt the pressure vessel is the problem

>>15648845
Hah
>>15648848
What is the limiting factor then?

23:10 GMT tomorrow, Russia regains its status as as tier 1 space power.

>>15648831
That's not what commies get. You're an imposter

>Once the commies in DC stop sitting on SpaceX they will eventually launch something during a synod.
You will get a cuckcan fly-by (at the end of the next decade) and you will be happy

>>15648862
>shrek.jpg

>>15648856

>>15648885
reddit tier

>>15648891
seethe

>>15648343
VNA-tier dark thoughts, Anon

>>15648343
>[The moon disliked that]

Even the chinks can get to orbit on methane.

>>15648922
They're the only ones to get to orbit with methane

>>15648922
Kinda sad that we missed the late 90s-early 2000s window of opportunity to have Russians be Japanese Methalox rocket

>>15648929
Deciding to buy a foreign-built first stage for he GX was their first mistake. Deciding use a stage that Lockheed only ever saw as an interim placeholder and had no long term plans for as their second.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNDpY8FTnbI

Mars one day

>>15648167
>>15648169
Russia's manned Lunar landing architecture uses an Angara.

It happened again
https://twitter.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1689301047951675392?s=20

>>15648984
they just don't give a single fuck

>>15648984
Hahaha

>>15648984
How generous of glorious China motherland to leave stage on ground for hard working Chinese patriots to recycle!

>>15648984
Um based and geographicallychallengedpilled

>>15648527
>40 miles
Falcon 9 gets to 100 doesn't it? That's pretty low

>>15649020
~85 miles

>>15648622
>I flew the airplane for the first time
What airplane do you mean?
You mean you flew on a plane the first time?

>>15649028
As a passenger, of course, A320neo.

New pic of the New Glenn factory

https://www.wsj.com/articles/jeff-bezos-blue-origin-new-glenn-rocket-a328067

>>15649034
First flights are always fun. Really makes you feel like man has conquered nature when you look out the window and see houses and lower clouds fading away

>>15649036
Are these still isomemed pieces or did they smarter up and move to internal baffling

>>15649036
NICE!
GO GET EM JEFF

>>15649043
Nevermind I don’t even know why I bothered to ask, it looks like an isogrid. Did bezos learn NOTHING from his lunch date with elon all those years ago??

>>15649043
It's not isogrid it's rectangular.
But looks very much milled rather than welded stringers, I'd bet money on it.

>>15649047
Stringers ahhh that’s the word I was looking for. And I didn’t realize “isogrid” only pertained to literal iso patterns. I always call milled structural patterns isogrids

>>15649036
>basically building a smaller SLS
new glenn will never be cheap

Name a bigger insufferable autist than James Lunar Miner

>>15649050
It’s given cost is actually pretty cheap already but no one knows if this is a true launch cost or if BO has accepted to take a loss with each flight

>>15649049
Yeah that sure is it. You wouldn't do all those longitudinal welds on the rings if you weren't milling them out of a bent piece of aluminum.
BO is decidedly oldspace