/sci/ - Science & Math

TODAY IS SHITLINER DAY BOYS
2PM EASTERN https://www.nasa.gov/nasalive

>>15641046
8PM in CEST?

>>15641046
>Media teleconference

>>15641032
Glass the Earth, demigod war eventually

Elon has said nothing about the static fire... was it really that bad?

>>15641095
What's "that bad?" The next thing they're doing is sending Booster 9 back to the build site.

>>15641108
They had to shut it down because half the raptors exploded (I assume)

>>15641046
Whats going on? Is there any chance Starliner blows up because I really want to see that.

>>15641112
4 engines shutting down prematurely leading to the test being cut short as well is not "half exploding".
Raptor needs work though.

>>15641120
>Raptor needs work though.
It's over for Musk

Suggestions for a new hobby now the spaceflight is no longer possible?
t. most optimistic static fire viewer

>>15641095

Raptor problems are actually bullish. Competition won't be able to easily replicate what SpaceX is doing.

Someone posted this last thread. Honestly, I'm highly skeptical of SS being able to get down to 40 tons with non-essentials removed for in-space expendability. How would this pan out of it was 80 or 90 tons instead? I huff hopium but not reducing-the-entire-craft-by-80-tons-and-still-being-able-to-reach-orbit kind of hopium.

>>15641209
>How would this pan out of it was 80 or 90 tons instead
Look at the chart for a 40 or 50 ton payload instead and set that as "zero."

>>15641209
Reusing requires fuel for Starship to turn around, come back to earth and land.

>>15640596
Any SpaceX employee on site is complicit and will almost certainly serve prison time for this

>>15641238
not to mention a full coating of heat tiles on one side, and arguably the sea level raptors

>>15641275
Someone clearly doesn't realize they actually have water deluge permits

Prediction: 30 engines in a cluster won't ever work. They will go back to the Saturn 5-8 design.

>>15641297
zhis
st. Elon needs to stop procrastinating and start work on an upscaled engine

>>15641275
you deserve a free helicopter ride for pointing out this "fact"

>>15641302
but Raptors are cheaper and produces more thrust than RS-25!

>>15641297
>>15641302
Will you finally return back to r*ddit when this doesn't happen?
>>15641317
Yes.

Tier-1 muskrats have had a very bad 24 hours. I feel their pain :(

>>15641333
Do you predict Starship will pivot to a bigger engine?
Is that what you are saying?

>>15641341
More likely the entire program will be scrapped. Elon is losing interest.

>>15641344
Lock that prediction in.
Remember to kill yourself when it doesn't happen.

>>15641317
RS-25 was initially designed in the late 60s. Give them some time at least to catch up with reliability.

>LK99 floods /sci/ with retards
>they find /sfg/ and shit it up
Many such cases. They are even making threads about Elon's tweets and seething about them, kek.

>>15641388
Post-happening /sfg/ is the worst

>JWST launched on Ariane 5
>takes more than six months to deploy
>Euclid launches on Falcon 9
>Takes just one month
Are Euro rockets really that underpowered? I noticed the JUICE misison also somehow takes nine years to get to Jupiter and requires a bunch of retarded gravity assists, meanwhile the Europa Clipper launches on a Falcon 9 and only takes five years.
Can we just stop launching on crappy underpowered oldspace rockets and wasting everybody's time?

>>15641388
>They are even making threads about Elon's tweets and seething about them
this happens all the time on /sci/

>>15641407
Euclid was a third of James Webb's mass and didn't unfold like it was auditioning to be a astronomer.

Clipper is launching on a Falcon heavy and it's using a few assists too.

https://twitter.com/SpaceDanielX/status/1688311967755194368

interesting thread about the static fires

>>15641488
So what he's saying is that spacex is done and Elon is gonna kill himself?

Still going with the HLS demonstration vehicle lol. I’m assuming they use it for legal reasons especially now that they have two landers and don’t want to play favorites

>>15641538
>Maxar Technologies completes early fabrication work on the central cylinder structure of the Gateway space station's Power and Propulsion Element (PPE) that will make Gateway the most powerful solar electric spacecraft ever flown.

>>15641538
Look at these cute little landing engines

>>15641538
probably also the fact that BOs lander would mog gateway here - not to mention Starship which is even bigger

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/08/spacex-conducts-a-mostly-successful-test-of-its-super-heavy-booster/

https://spacenews.com/benchmark-unveils-driver-assistance-features-for-satellites/

>>15641629
can t they just use mechjeb
fuckign retards

https://twitter.com/byEricMJohnson/status/1688528025334538241
>Starliner Crewed Flight Test
>March 2024
>dependent on new parachute tests in November

oof

>>15641648
Reminder that this fucko company got the bigger contract as part of ComCrew lmfao

Why doesn't that little nigger elon fire up a small amount of engines at a time then cycle through them all?

>>15641690
Because that's not getting the rocket off the ground.
What point would there be to making static fire work when it no longer simulates launch conditions?

how much OLM painting are they planning to do? they just repainted it and it seems a 3 second static fire stripped it again.

>>15641707
Doesn't seem that stripped.
But yeah they either have to have their materials science team cook up a better paint or this is going to need repainting every launch.
That is far from a bottleneck at this point. So expect them to not bother to fix it for a long time.

https://archive.is/20230807115310/https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-07/boeing-aims-to-get-starliner-spacecraft-ready-to-fly-next-march

>>15641728

>>15641648
>>15641728
Ahhh yes. I was begging to worry we would miss the annual “we’ll try again next year!” from Boeing

>>15641758
>we’ll try again next year!

https://twitter.com/BellikOzan/status/1688542765511323648
>And that's just CFT. This almost guarantees first operational flight will be NET '25.

How much does anyone want to bet that they'll fuck up the parachute test and this timeline will get even longer?

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1688534272926232576

>>15641811
>parachute
That scene from Space Brothers just gets more and more likely the more we find out how badly Boing built the thing.

>>15641811
>>15641832
Protentional Soyuz 1 re-enactment?

>>15641829
So why do they need another parachute drop test _now_? I seem to recall that they had less than stellar performance in parachute tests, but if it weren't for non-parachute stuff, they would already have had a crew flight by now.

>>15641848
>Boeing’s target hinges on a successful high-altitude drop test of parachute upgrades
I guess they need to test the upgrades?

>>15641120
Again, at multiple engines used were literally part of the same batch of engines used for B7, so its not surprising they had some issues. They will replace them with newer engines and move on.

>>15641861
It seems weird that they would mix and match like this, do they just grab random engines when it comes to fit them to the boosters?

>>15641861
actually the engines from the B7 batch were the good ones. it's the new ones that have issues, spaceX is losing their touch.
source: I made it up

>>15641865
It's not random
Every engine that checks out at McGregor, they are going to want to use.
Using early and late serial number engines also gives them data on how changes affect reliability and performance.
If you find older engines are more problematic, then everything is going in the right direction. If the opposite is true then a hard look is needed if changes has caused regressions.

>>15641848
>if it weren't for non-parachute stuff they would already have had a crew flight by now.
They also found out that the electrical tape they were using was unacceptably flammable and had to replace all of it. I'm not sure how long it's supposed to take to open up and re-tape an entire capsule.

>>15641900
K, so how does the electrical tape affect the parachute?
>reeeeee something changed we have to retest everything

>>15641907
It doesn't. The tape is a completely separate problem.

>>15641907
2 things, parachute was found not enough safety margin if one failed and unrelated tape was found to be too flammable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZA-4_0D-W8

>>15641488
Yeah, everybody complaining about "muh newer engines still having issues" isn't even considering the fact B9 still had a lot of old engines. Its strange.

What year was Starliner supposed to happen? I don't even remember.

>>15641327
obviously not, since I am here now when it's not happening
it WILL happen in the future, and you will pretend you always knew it will be like that

>>15641848
>>15641900
Does NASA dig this much into all commercial providers? Or is it just what Boeing is admitting to?
Seems like Dragon has just been smooth sailing despite everyone saying SpaceX is the incompetent one.

I wanna see Elon autistically train MMA and take out Zuck for good

>>15641938
the zuck starts with the advantage here since he was BORN braindamaged

any word on why b9 had engine failures?

>>15641942
because raptor is shit

>>15641942
auto abort sensor trip. it's always that.
there is no telling how they would have performed on a flight. if they were kept running

>>15641942
>>15641861

>>15641940
zucc had all his muscles replaced with hydraulics. i lived in the same dorm as him in college and i saw him tear a car door in half like his arms were the fucking jaws of life.

Hot staging test article is strapped into the hydraulic stand.

>>15641977
Propellant is stored in the balls.

>>15641977
inb4 it fails

>>15641972
>most credible sfg post

>>15641032
Friends, why is there a ring of 3 rocket engines in the center in stead of one dead center?I simply cannot work out conserving fuel as a means to explain this.

>>15641972

>>15642006
good morning ser

Virgin Galactic flies in 3 days

>>15641538
>>15641564
they can't put a starship on it because it'd dwarf the entire station. internal volume of starship is more than the entire ISS' pressurized volume

>>15642027
they can't even dock blue moon to it for the same reason and blue moon is tiny compared to HLS

>>15642006
better control authority

>>15641829
Today i will remind them.

>>15641728
lol please just give up it's so sad to watch this
buy the contracted launches from SpaceX or whatever you gotta do cause it'll be cheaper than actually trying to finish this mess

>>15642027
They can't dock Starship to it because the max docking load is something low like 14t

I had sex with Elon Musk last night. I fucked him in the ass.

Can they do full launch rehersal with 20second firing now?

>>15642081
explain this picture

>>15642011

>>15642087
>20second firing
Do you want to destroy remaining raptors?

>>15642109
That's not normally...

Any &tactical games with this atmosphere?

Why in this day and age would you ever build a rocket using hydroshit?

Where the fuck is it? What is holding them back? They got the fucking engines now. Did they just wait around to build the rocket until the engines were done or some shit?

>>15642218
The rest of the rocket was harder to build than the engines.

It's over.
Another 2 months of delay.

>>15642218
I remember Berger claiming that the Jarvis upper stage became stole a lot of the resources.

>>15642237
Installing the hot stage construction?

>>15642237
>Doesn't seem to good
wasn't it clear from the start they were going to roll it back?
it needs the ring attached and all the finishing they usually do

>>15642218
no motivation: https://youtu.be/I0qgBuIO6n4

>>15642237
I mean it's obvious we will have at least 2 months of stacking and destacking just like last time

>>15642251
Launch was supposed to happen in 2 months, so it's 4 months away now.

>>15642251
They've learned from last time. I could see them being ready for launch in month assuming the hot staging test articles does well.

>>15642254
>Launch was supposed to happen in 2 months
lol
lmao

What went wrong?

>>15641758
Kek

>>15642262
Why do you dwell on his optimistic timelines?
So much went right. Look to the future instead of being a faggot?

>>15642237
They were going to have to bring it back regardless, to install the hot staging ring and more booster shielding.

>>15641848
>>15641934
I believe this was a case of Boeing internally finding problems, which is good that I found them and addressed them instead of getting jumpy with go fever. But still. S

>>15642262
when did ambition become repugnant to the American people?

>>15642262
Well, 10 years ago SpaceX wasn't even developing technology that would enable them to send large amounts of people to Mars. 10 years later they are and are on the verge of reaching orbit with the new technology for the first time. So there is progress at least.

>>15642271
>and more booster shielding
this is probably done. only b7 did this because they got creeped out by their engines and decided after production to contain them more.

>>15642237
I hate doomers

>>15642262
Even if it takes 20 years after this statement just to get a starship prototype on martian regolith it’s still ambitious as hell, and a whole lot better than any NASA-oldspace timeline (aka eternally 10 years away bro trust us)

>>15642297
They're dooming over the most retarded shit too. It took B7 like 7 months to go from the first 33 engine spin prime to the first 33 engine static fire. It took B9 like what, a week?

OLMsisters… two more years

>>15642305
>It took B9 like what, a week?
A day
Spin prime was 2 days ago

>>15642314
For some reason I thought it was last monday.

half a bong to boing sperging out on how the first operational shitliner flight won't be till 2025 perhaps

>>15642262
same thing with nasa saying there will be a mars landing in 20 years but not as bad since he actually went somewhere

At this point I think that Starship won't launch again in 2023.
And I'm not a doomer.

>>15642319
You are a doomer, faggot

>>15642319
>he thinks Starship won't launch in 5 months

Doomer.

>>15641488
do I really need a shitterbird account to read the other 10?

>>15642319
I think 1 more will happen this year, only problem is that we supposed to have like 4 launches.

>>15642319
>And I'm not a doomer
Yeah you're simply a bit stupid.
The b9 test program is going extremely fast compared to all previous boosters.
S25 is literally ready to fly.

>>15642324
The good news is that both B9 and stage zero remain intact and as far as I can tell, there‘s no obvious damage. The engines ignited at T - 0 and the static fire was aborted at T + 2.74 s. A total of 4 Raptor 2 engines shut down prematurely. (2/11)

So this is actually the first time all 33 engines were firing simultaneously. But what was the reason for the abort? The static fire was planned to last ~5 s. Elon said in one of his spaces updates that for the first IFT of Starship, abort criteria for liftoff… (3/11)

…would be triggered once less than 30 engines are healthy. This leads me to believe that this abort criteria is also used for static fires, including today's test. My guess is that the shutdown of the 4th Raptor engine caused the abort. (4/11)

I saw many people worried about the reliability of Raptor 2 after today's test. Let's actually compare the engines of B7 and B9 so we can get a better understanding of the situation. The oldest and newest engines on B7 were R25 and R105. (5/11)

For B9, that's R73 and R186. R79 has been spotted in January of 2022. It usually takes two months from the completion of the engine to the arrival at Starbase, so it's safe to say that Raptors around that serial number (~oldest on B9) have been manufactured in late 2021. (6/11)

Now let's look at the newest engines. Raptor engines around SN 200 have been spotted in January of this year, so every single engine on B9 has been manufactured and tested before IFT-1 and the major static fire tests involving multiple Raptor 2 engines. (7/11)

And don't forget that this is not the operational version of Raptor, most engines feature improvements over the previous ones, being tested to its limits and learning how to improve the performance and reliability of the engine. It is also important to note that SpaceX… (8/11)

>>15642335
holy reddit

>>15642335
…has been very quick with the testing of B9. With merely 2 days between its first engine test (spin prime) and the 33 engine static fire it shattered all previous records. It is very much expected that there are some faulty Raptor engines that cause issues during testing. (9/11)

And that's why they do these tests. Identifying faulty engines before the actual flight is kind of important lol. To sum all this up, I think it's safe to say that today's test was a success, even though SpaceX might repeat the test before the actual IFT-2. (10/11)

I'm sure Raptor reliability will improve significantly in the future, starting with IFT-2. The future is very exciting with the next boosters and ships already completing their cryo proof tests. I thing we will see the launch cadence increase a lot in the near future. (11/11)

Fucking hate twitter its so inefficient for threads, don't get me started on how every reply to every individual post in a thread is contained in its own fucking page so discussion is disjointed as fuck

>>15642326
I think that 2 more will happen. B9 in september or october, and B10 in december. Most of the time between B7 and B9 has been pad work and installing the plate.

>>15642337
>Fucking hate twitter its so inefficient for threads, don't get me started on how every reply to every individual post in a thread is contained in its own fucking page so discussion is disjointed as fuck
So write a longer post instead. Threads are a leftover from old twitter times.

>>15642346
I dont subscribe to twitter, I also dont post any threads of my own so no

>>15642335
>>15642337
thank you x'er (X.com usER)
wonder why they don't swap out the engines for newer ones if they have so many; ofc a lot of them are on B10 and B11 but surely it would be more productive to have IFT-2 use all recent engines with (assumedly) higher reliability

>>15642355
Capital efficiency.
I guess they're planning on using every one they produce.
The raptor line is synced with ship and booster line approximately.

>>15642355
SpaceX probably wanted to do the test asap, which is why they went ahead with engines manufactured in 2021. Although now they will have to replace them with much newer engines.

>>15642364
>Although now they will have to replace them
unfounded speculation

Why the fuck are people celebrating the OLM surviving the static fire? B7 did one without the deluge system and even then the damage was minimal. The only way we'll know if it works properly is during the next launch. Even Crime Stats Info Starbase has been saying this

>>15642364
>Although now they will have to replace them with much newer engines
They didn't do that last time

>>15642379
STOP HAVING FUN

>>15642379
>The only way we'll know if it works properly is during the next launch
But that's wrong. They could elect to do a full thrust multiple second 33 engine static fire.

>>15642355
if they start launching a lot of before getting reuse down, they might need a lot of engines
b9 is going to blow up whatever happens, even if it works perfectly, isn't it going to be scuttled after the landing test at sea?
so if the engines are one-use, they might want to use all of them starting from the oldest ones as long as they work

>>15642379
yeah, only 50%
even with just fondag it survived that last time

>>15642386
not necessarily if the clamps + booster structure itself can't handle those loads (the forces might be different enough compared to launch/landing)

>>15642355
My only guess is that it’s the same reason they don’t skip to the newest and brightest booster and ship. They’ll still get a lot of data from older engines, and they might probe into aspects of Raptor they assumed were “figured out” only to find out even the new engines need a tweak

did anyone end up making a bingo card? cope session starts in 3 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqPslXCL8f0

>>15642401
Oh shit, I forgot. I have to eat dinner.

>>15642401
Starliner is aesthetically sexy (though it looks like dogshit when mated to Atlas)
But the thermal blankets catch the natural solar system lighting very well

>>15642371
>>15642380
If they want to reach orbit, they will.
And they're bringing it back to the megabay. No reason not to.

>>15642430
>If they want to reach orbit, they will.
>And they're bringing it back to the megabay. No reason not to.
Dude. The abort could be literally a software problem, a small fried wire or sensor or a melting turbopump.
There is no way to know for us right now.

>>15642262
We *could* put a man on Mars. We could be ready tomorrow, at least have a cuck can on a Falcon Heavy ready that would give him a fighting chance of making it through EDL despite being made for water landing.

Chad Boing parachuter

>>15642262
Is it not possible it might have happened if Red Dragon wasn't shelved?

its over

>>15641922
Because Elon said on the record that isnt an issue this time, so he lied

>>15642262
His estimate was incorrect

> August 7 for Falcon 9’s launch of 15
>15
Huh, isn't it less than usual?

>That does not mean we have a launch date by early march
12 more months

>>15641297
A NERVA booster is how this ends and you all know it

>>15642466
it's V2 mini

>>15642472
It's usually 22

>>15642461
>said on record that isnt an issue
he probably put fifteen qualifiers in front. i do not believe he said the engines would not be an issue period.
>so he lied
why do you care about things like "he lied" and "he said it was 2 months when it was 4"
how can you focus on finding things to be upset about when it's such a great ambitious rocket like none before?

kino

>>15642474
inclination probably
>>15642476
/sfg/ told me the engines exploded.
what is happening doomersisters?

>boeing expects 6 NASA flights and 15 with other customers
what kind of cope is this?

>>15642479
Do they have enough rockets for that?

>>15642027
>internal volume of starship is more than the entire ISS' pressurized volume
yeah that's never gonna happen

>>15641407
JWST went to solar L2 and had a crazy unfolding process.

Oh shit do you guys remember that boeing boomer who is like the final boss of dodging questions from last time? Kek he got like six hard-hitting and specific questions and was able to skirt around them so efficiently, it was actually kind of impressive

>>15642484
it literally is

>>15642470
>NERVA booster
you're retarded. for a low staging flyback booster like superheavy you would throw away so much fucking isp for thrust.
NERVA would be laughably bad

>>15642488
lmao holy shit timestamp?

>>15642490
>flyback
RTLS, you know what I mean

>>15642475
Because he's a schizo doomer.
>>15642483
The more important question is if they have enough ISS life for 6 missions.

>>15642470

>>15641275
reminder that feds should be shot and have their corpse cast into a ditch to rot

There should be zero regulations.

>>15642262
Elon never said those words

>>15642502
this

>>15642475
elon said B7 engine failures were due to using a hodgepodge of engines on B7. B9 is identical in that respect

>>15642493
I’ll look for it later tonight and provide a few time stamps if I have the time

>>15642489
Starship will never EVER have 11003m of pressurized volume in its entire operations lifetime

>>15642516
>elon said B7 engine failures were due to using a hodgepodge of engines on B7
he certainly didn't. he said they used a hodgepodge of engines.

Well this soyuz question wasn’t necessarily bad but why do people always go off-topic on these teleconferences? Is boeing paying these people to throw out smoke grenades?

I still trust in September 2 launch
Same length as between 1st and 2nd launch of N1

>>15642521
a cubic kilometer?

>>15642524
Yes, a direct response to an explicit question as to what went wrong with raptor during flight. an explicit answer was dodged by musk (as he always does) and hopes his hodgepodge answer will suffice. as a pinnacle of journalism, the reply guy never pressed him further

>>15642529
The N1inization

>>15642529
I trust August 23 launch.
Next time Mercury is in retrograde

>>15642543
You truly are seething. Musk made it clear he didn't know why they failed. He said there was fire, concrete and old engines.
All of which could have been causes of failure.
He said SpaceX was debating on theories.

>>15642529
Not even physically possible

>positron assisted SSTO

goddd the SCALE

>>15642470
I thought you were kidding but I saw your other post and you just be this retarded. A single Raptor has ten times the thrust of NERVA and a hundred times the engine TWR. Beyond that the exhaust would irradiate not just the launch pad but everything in the area and Starship would have to be completely redesigned for LH2, substantially increasing in size.

>>15642549
>concrete
Nice lie you muddy water faggot. There is ZERO evidence of concrete touching a single engine, also stated by Musk himself

Boeing probably seething at the amount of times SX are getting put on a pedestal here
I hope someone flat out asks “yeah hey Steve why haven’t you guys taken a single astronaut up yet thx”

>>15642573
You are so invested in whether a thing he said, which you are misrepresenting, turned out to be true two months down the line or not.
Why waste your time being a seether?

>>15642461
none of B9's engines blew up

These cars look silly, but at least there's not as bad as shitliner van.

>>15642609
why can't they just buy a normal van and call it a day?

https://twitter.com/thordeltaii/status/1688574236208902144

Doomer sisters what now?!?

>>15642609
>the QR code
gonna puke

>>15642552
Explain

Glonass-K2 launch this morning and not a single post. Is Russian aerospace now totally irrelevant or just boring?

>>15642625
Ship static fires don't have nearly the failure rate of booster static fires.
Raptor doomers were always retarded in the face of this fact and the multiple ship flights with flawless ascents.

>>15642625
umm, were going to need a fact check from L2 before we even proceed to discuss this.

>>15642625
It's worse than we thought. 2 years min for an OLM redesign and rebuild.

>>15642625
>sticky valvy strikes again

>>15642629
>3526th baseduz lunch
yeah, I'm so excited...

>>15642625
I was saying the 20 QDs on the OLM were a retarded idea as soon as it became clear that's what they were building.
It is incredibly retarded design.
Either eat the mass for plumbing from BQD to each engine or eat the mass of more spin start gas carried in the chines.

>>15642625
This has been fact-checked by true american SLS tower patriots as TRUE
Its’ over for them

>>15642656
So it means that out of 20 QDs, 16 worked and 4 didn't. They just have to fix these 4.

>>15642629
This is literally the ~2000th soyuz launch. Who gives a fuck? Only Proton-M launches are worth seeing for that hypergolic monstrosity.

>>15642609
I genuinely think these look great (as far as minivans go)

>>15642669
>So it means that out of 20 QDs, 16 worked and 4 didn't. They just have to fix these 4.
All I'm saying is 20 QDs on the rocket is the most brain damaged thing in the whole program.
Why not run the electricity straight to the interstage like other rockets?
Why not make a birds nest of QDs like picrel that drop off?
It can be built.
I simply do not understand why the spin start would require 20 QD plates with half a dozen fluids interfaces each.
This is exactly the opposite of rapidly reusable and robust launch infrastructure.

>>15642609
They're pretty cool vehicles, actually. The platform is extremely simple and modular. The point of the concept is maximizing internal volume.
https://www.canoo.com/platform

>>15642677
>>15642695
perfect little goys love their goymobile

>>15642380
worked out pretty well last time, too

>>15642380
>They didn't do that last time
Lol

>>15642702
What is a goymobile?

>>15642722
A "Canoo"

>>15642702
Boxy trucks and vans are optimal for most uses, whether gas, diesel, or electric. If you want fast and exciting get a bike.

>>15642702
What vehicle would you choose to transport the astronauts in?

>>15642740
cute girls :3

>>15642726
>looks like an ugly toy car
>stupid lights
>seats that face each other
>electric
it is a humiliation ritual on four wheels

>>15642740
>2016
You gotta move on anon

>>15641934
>Dragon blows up during testing because of newly discovered failure mode with titanium piping/valves and NOXs
Still, they isolated the problem pretty quickly and moved on, so I guess your point stands.

>>15642702
It's utilitarian and I like it. The interior seems comfy enough to justify the weird looks.

>>15642669
And B9 was just taken off the mount for its hot staging ring install, a perfect opportunity for OLM work.

>>15642740
>it's real
Kek, they really did photoshop out Neil deGrasse Tyson

https://mars.nasa.gov/resources/7705/women-in-science/

>>15642750
It's a box on wheels for carrying things. Adding swoopy bodywork doesn't make your cage any less gay.

>>15642740
wtf, that's racist

>>15642796
How utilitarian of you drone-person

>>15642820
I have no desire to express myself via vehicle purchases. It's entirely superfluous and doesn't matter. It's a tool.

When did Musk start caring for Mars?

wizard, i need you to make more OC

>>15642840
Zubrinfags get the airlock.

>>15642840
When Zubrin groomed him, about 2 decades ago

>>15642820
I ride a motorcycle as my primary. If you want a fun experience of being intimately connected to the machine and your surroundings, riding leaves driving in the dust. The only reason I ever pick four wheels over two is for weather restrictions (thunderstorms, etc.) or a load too heavy for my bike. Utility is the game for cages.

>>15642625
It just gets worse and worse for raptor doomers doesn't it.

>>15642858

>>15642858
Spinfags have to use the Earther entrance (pisslock) to enter my Mars hab.

>>15641648
Starliner will never ever carry astronauts

>>15642553

>>15642947
Kek the file name adds to the slight chuckle

>>15642553
Post the pdf here.

>>15642840
When he had his little unproductive lunch with Bezos and realized BO had no serious goals or ambition, thus there was truly no competition to be found

An East Coast v2 mini Starlink launch to their Generation 2 network. This launch marked a pad turn around record for SpaceX; the launch occurred 3 days, 21 hours, and 41 minutes after SpaceX's previous mission from pad 40 at Cape Canaveral. The previous record was set the month before at the same launch pad.

>>15642840
When did Musk stop caring for Mars?

>>15642858
It's literally just one guy that has been posting the same shit for years.

>>15641728
So on the tiny chance that this date ends up accurate, they'll still be nearly four years behind Dragon

>>15642640
Every time I see these damn nelson quotes I read them in his inflection
Rate my impression
https://voca.ro/1bRzALIDLMYp

>>15642262
Instead of Mars, all he got was 4000 satellites, became the richest man, sells 2 million electric vehicles a year, owns a social media, made the cheapest/most reusable rocket in the world, launched rocket nearly 200 times to orbit, launched multiple dozens of humans to orbit, brought private citizens to orbit, send his own car to Mars orbit, and is getting read for his Mars rocket to do a first successful launch test

Man, how did time went by? Imagine if someone woke up from 2010 coma.

>>15641940
jesus it's like watching an eel ingest something, you can almost see the secondary jaws

>>15642981
fuck that I want mars

>>15642979
not bad. dont post it again

>>15642973
False. Although I have up recently when Zubrin went completely off the rocker over the land of russ

>>15642973
ok, schizo

Why can't he find a wife?

>>15642324
Replace twitter.com with nitter.net

>>15643003
he has more important things to take care of

>>15643003
Women found out.

>>15642933
I would snap your arms like a twig and do as I please

>>15643003
>launch day
i thought they don't see each other any more

>>15643008
Even von Braun got married.

>>15643003
Ayo is that john carmack I spot in the reflection? This has got to be some sort of world record for concentrated autism considering everyone in the pic

>>15643003
Wait a minute, is this John Carmack?

>>15643014
So did elon

>>15643003
WILD CARMACK SPOTTED

>>15643018
>>15643020
/sfg/ is severely autistic, for better or for worse lmao

>>15643018
>>15643020
It's launch day. Elon invited Carmack

>>15643024
And then he had a divorce.

BTW the zubrinfag is also the animeschizo, you can tell because he always projects by calling people a schizo and he makes obvious samefag posts in defence of himself within one minute of each other, insisting that there must be other people somehow posting the forced memes with the same filenames.

>go to kolodny's latest seething post about MUH INDUSTRIAL WASTEWATER PERMITS
>scroll to bottom Discover More section below
>full of TSLAQ, anti-Musk accounts posting Tesla FUD

lmao, imagine my shock, post doesn't even mention Musk or Tesla but the algo knows

>>15643036
That’s kind of the point of a good algorithm bro

>>15643034
Not true, I post Zubrins and I like anime.

>>15643045
I know...

>>15643036
Elon should artificially suppress anti spacex sentiment visibility for real users and artificially inflate the engagement numbers of troll accounts so they think they still have engagement, but really it's like dead internet theory but just for the bots and deboonkers in their little play pens

>>15643056
Flat Earthers and moon landing deniers have exploded in visibility recently, I just think he doesn't care

>I have 12 children, 4 wives, and run multiple multi-national corporations selling space ships, robots, and electric horses.
>Political operatives attempt to attack me every day, so I bought a global social media platform and will turn it into the largest bank, entertainment, and communications company on Earth.
>Mars will be mine soon.

>>15643034
Good work detective. I am also the Duluth fag and anti-anime schizo false flagger. I could even be you
>>15643059
as long as you dont have tweeter blue, elon doesnt consider you a real user

>>15643056
Lol

>>15643059
If you have an account consider pruning your follows. I don't get any of that shit, but i don't follow everything related to space either.

>>15643048
Your only plausible deniability would be if you disliked anime posting, which you obviously don't since you spent hundreds of hours doing it. Another tell is that both the Zubrinfag and the anime schizo have gotten people banned by abusing the report system.

>>15643085
>have gotten people banned by abusing the report system
go back to >>>/n/ igger

Prepare for absolute thread destroying schizo meltdown.
Collage cuck is having a phase again

>>15643071
>Good work detective
Thanks. Protip, if you're going to pretend to be separate people you shouldn't just so happen to always be in the thread at the exact same time.
>>15643099
Collagefag isn't part of this conversation.

>>15643085
>both the Zubrinfag and the anime schizo have gotten people banned by abusing the report system
I'll fuckin do it again :3

>>15643104
Collagefag is a nazi and that board is full of commie faggots.

>>15643081
I follow nothing. trust the algo

>>15643014
If it wasn't for modern women he'd still be married to the same woman. Unfortunately for Elon all women are whores now

>>15643104
No, thank YOU for the tip. I will be more subtle from now on. Maybe I'll post a krystal anal gif redirect

>>15642740
kek

I haven't kept up on spaceflight news since the starship launch that retarded uninformed normies were trying to doom about.
What's happened since then?

>>15643126
How many girlfriends have you had so far?

>>15643114
>Collagefag is a nazi and that board is full of commie faggots
Almost like we are more than one person

>>15643138
They've fixed the OLM and are working on another launch. Should happen before the end of the year.

>>15643138
nothing, unfortunately the starship launch spelled doom for spaceflight

>>15643130
The real Krystalfag is a different person who dislikes anime posting, but no you won't be subtle because most people just ignore you and there is never any consequence to your shitposting and samefagging so you don't feel the need to hide it when you want it to attract attention.

I FUCKING LOOOVE META DISCUSSIONS UNRELATED TO SPACEFLIGHT

>>15643018

>>15643012
They're still parents to the same kid. Adults who split on amicable terms are capable of hanging out afterward, and that's facilitated by sharing a child. X is Grimes's son too.

>>15643148
As long as I get attention from you, I'll be ok

Thoughts on my idea? Imagining Gateway being more than just a one-off station

>>15643173
LEO assembly of mission craft should have been the meta from the Apollo days. Artemis could have been done entirely with Falcon 9 and Heavy, and the total launch costs through Artemis III would have been cheaper than a single SLS.

>>15643156
why?

>>15643139
>How many girlfriends have you had so far?

>>15643192
Exactly you get it, I'm looking at Falcon 9 launching weekly and seeing the proper way to do shit, once you have a reliable enough rocket to get what you need to LEO - AND - a reliable SEP to get it out of LEO its a no-brainer to just assemble your shit in LEO

Really backwards how we're doing it right now with giant rocket must do everything in one go launch mindset again

>>15643204
It's literally because of one Senator, who has thankfully since retired.

>>15643197
>he can't discern the sarcasm from even that blatant of a post
>from that name even

autism

>>15643111
>Ariane 5
now an old, expired cake

(need a pic of all the retired launchers in their rocking chairs, watching the NewSpace launchers frolicking in the distance)

>>15643018
Yes, given this is a launch day picture, with Carmack seen multiple times throughout the launchday pictures, its like very likley.

>>15643164
>I'll be ok
Probably not, I mean there is no way you have a job or have any hobbies outside spending hours each day here trying to force your memes, creating separate identities so it's not immediately obvious how much of a deranged loser you are. One day I'll open /sfg/ and you'll be gone for good, I'll take it as you finally killing yourself.

>>15643103

Mmm I sure love it when /sfg/ goes /meta/, always quality discussion to be had.

>>15643161
This is actually cute and based, that’s a cool dad

>>15643224
Omg I'm getting scared. You literally just described me exactly

I still don't understand how this is going to work

>>15643217
most of the newspace launchers won't exist in a couple years, small laubch is too small a market even before rideshares to support all of them

>>15642218
From what i have read bezos put all the wrong kind of people in control of blue origin.
The kind of people who arent used to years to decades of testing&failure&fixing it to get to the goal.
If you read up on spacex, even musk talks on several points on how close he was to giving up, any other more "normal" CEO in his place would have pulled out a long time ago and cut his losses.

>>15643275
kek

>>15643275
the ballet of the starship—beautiful and yet terrifying

>>15643267
I'm 100% correct. You went as far as to start a face**** group for the /sfg/ memes you repost and you're unironically a pedophile, the absolute state of your life.

https://www.face****.com/spaceshiposting/

>>15643275
Hello anon who has been in a coma since April, Starship is going to hotstage now instead of doing a flip.

>>15643217
retired rocket girls can be frozen in time, they dont age like real girls

>>15643275
multi trajectory drifting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atuFSv2bLa8

>>15643291
please top doxxing me or I'll get Elon to pay my legal bills. I'm fucking serious. STOP.

>>15643304
Don't you post frogs, faggot. Most frogposters are based and you are incredibly cringe.

Alright disregarding the dumpster fire meta stuff, what the hell are Psyche’s mission goals besides just rendezvous and imagery? Will it really be the first metallic object visited by a spacecraft? How do scientists “know” it’s likely a piece of iron core and not just some super metallic asteroid?

>>15643275

>>15643315
Density calculations from observed size and spectra, I believe.

>>15643034
>BTW the zubrinfag is also the animeschizo, you can tell because he always projects by calling people a schizo and he makes obvious samefag posts in defence of himself within one minute of each other, insisting that there must be other people somehow posting the forced memes with the same filenames.

>>15643316
Hahahaha

>>15642006
probably has to do with landing the booster. During landing they will have at least 3 engines on and then you want those engines to push through the center. One engine in the centre probably isn't strong enough to land the booster

>>15643316
kek I forgot I made that

>>15643114
>Collagefag
thanks for reminding me of this incredibly based anon. Big fan of his collages

So apparently during this static fire some raptors shut down prematurely. Get rekt faggots that told me that the test flight failed because the raptors were old kek

>>15643353
Care to elaborate

>>15643353
>>15643361
see >>15642625

>The Oklahoma City sonic boom tests, also known as Operation Bongo II, refer to a controversial experiment, organized by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), in which 1,253 sonic booms were generated over Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, over a period of six months starting in February 1964. The experiment was intended to quantify the effects of transcontinental supersonic transport (SST) aircraft on a city, to measure the booms' effect on structures and public attitude, and to develop standards for boom prediction and insurance data.
lol, lmao

>>15643361
Yes. During the test flight a quarter of the engines failed. This was the reason the test flight failed. I thought the Raptors had a reliability issues but anons here assured me that the raptors that flew then were old raptors that were less reliable. But now that we know that Raptor reliability hasn't improved then since 4 raptors here shut down right at the beginning. (even more that right at the start of the test flight)

>>15643376
least harmful US experimentation on citizens

>>15643394
I love how despite obvious efforts to directly mitigate the problems in flight one, you doomers act like the exact same things are going to fail.
engines went out in flight -> shielding between engines
hydraulic control went out -> electric control now
pad got excavated -> heavily reinforced and water cooled

>>15643394
I'd wait for the second flight before making any assumptions.
The abort critea in flight vs during launch/sf are certain to be very different and you don't even know the reason they aborted yesterday.

>>15643394
Thanks for elaborating actually

>>15643394
>But now that we know that Raptor reliability hasn't improved then since 4 raptors here shut down right at the beginning.

see >>15642625

>>15643410
>you doomers act like the exact same things are going to fail.
I'm not going into details here, all I see is that more engines turned off during the static fire than right at the beginning of the test flight.

>>15643447
Everyone sees what their looking for.

>>15643173
If you’re goal is sustaining jobs, appeasing congress, and lining the pockets of oldspace boomers then this is great; well done

>>15643367
>>15643353
https://twitter.com/ThorDeltaII/status/1688632990250000384
Wrong. The guy claiming that is Anastrope, the plebbitor who was exposed as a fake insider.

>>15643491
>File: Screen Shot 2023-08-07 at(...).png (1.37 MB, 1184x1202)

>>15643491
kek

>>15643496
Help guys I've lost the plot. My keyboard types without me. The

>>15643491
Yup, a big fuck you to the anon who was shilling this idea five fucking minutes ago

>>15643508
How so? The person on twitter said the "insider" is often right.

>>15643523
that redditor is a known faggot

>>15643537
But he may be right.

>>15643551
I may be right when I say your mum is a raggeddy-ass nigger skank ho, but nobody should believe me without verification

Holy fuck boys, today’s a big one
August 7th:
• 1959 - Thor-Able launches Explorer 6, the first satellite (not rocket) to transmit images of Earth back down
• 1969 - Proton-K launches a soyuz around the Moon
• 1976 - Viking 2 reaches Mars and enters orbit
• 1997 - STS-85 launches Discovery into space

>>15643491
>>15643496
Redditor nonsense.

The "insider" always makes random guesses

Starship is reverting back to carbon fiber.
t. Knower

https://twitter.com/julesdhl/status/1688327212972347392

Luna-25 launch on Thursday.

>>15643605
I miss the golden age of Katya-Rogozin interactions. She always tried to be so neutral and he was always trying to be an asshole. She has a lot of patience lol

>>15643616
She butterfly-effected him into being an ultra patriot and becoming a eunuch in the process. Katya won

>>15641354
the raptors, even the older batches, are already more reliable then the rs-25 as per unit they dont need a complete overhaul after every fire. All the raptors going under the test boosters have been test fired at least once

>>15643605
inb4 upper stage failure
>>15643551
a broken clock blah blah blah. The girl (male) is always just taking guesses for le updoots

>>15643632
Wow this is a gold medal in mental gymnastics

>>15642580
>Why waste your time being a seether?
because musk rat is a FUCKING CHUD

>>15642656
>>15642669
>>15642692
I have to wonder if it couldn't have been 10 QD's with each supplying two engines. Would the 4 extra feet of plumbing really cripple performance that much? especially considering it's the first stage, so you don't pay the rocket equation penalty beyond essentially a 1:1 tradeoff of 1rst stage mass vs payload mass. couldn't be more than 300kg of payload lost at the most extreme pessimistic estimate, and it'd simplify the OLM so much too

my theory: static fire went well enough they're going right to the stack. After all if they find the issue that stopped the few engines that shutdown early, why wouldnt implementing that fix not be good enough

>>15642981
>nearly 200 times to orbit
wrong, Falcon 9 has flown over 240 orbital missions, and recently even cracked the 200 successful landings record
>sent his own car to Mars orbit
wrong again cunt, the roadster is orbiting the sun with an aphelion close to mars's orbit
>first successful launch test
and now you've jinxed it

>>15643310

>>15643774
Musk lied. Its not 200, its 240

HOW DOES HE KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT

>>15643780

test

>march 2024

>>15643829
did it pass?

>>15643839
Yes, thank you for asking. Have a nice day, anon.

>>15643605
i hope it works so everyone seethes

>>15643671
YWNBAW

>>15643854
I'm not going to seethe. I want moon exploration so I hope every moon mission succeeds.

it's a bit insane that we only really knew that there were other galaxies in 1923

>>15643880
people though there were canals on mars until the 90s

>>15643275
>no loss
>no Starship inverted on booster
7/10 good chuckle
I didn't understand these diagrams either and I don't know if these were just guesses or based on actual information either. I always thought they were going to just release the clamps and pitch the booster.

>>15643892
I still think they're there

>>15643571
you forgot to mention it's going to be SSTO, hydrolox, fully expendable, and have a mobile launcher (expendable) that can only travel over Alabama river rocks
they're keeping the TPS tiles
t. insider

>>15643892
unless you mean the 1890s, the canals were heavily criticized even in Lowell's time.

>>15643908
see
>>15643901

we talking about boooonked theories now

>>15643571
yay

>>15642609
>>15642695
These Canoo cars look less usable than Japanese Kei cars

>>15643901
The arcs-and-nodes Mars was kino

>>15643910

>>15643275
it's only 1 flip, idk where you got this misinformation from

there are some WACK things in astronomy history

>>15643916

the straw that broke the camel's back

>>15643945
no one here cares about x schizos
take that shit somewhere else

>>15643945
Wastewater? It's on the beach, wouldn't they just use regular water?
Oh no some salt, big deal flush an Olympic swimming pool through it now and then.>>15643945

>>15643945
How would one sugar coat this?

>>15643948
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/28/spacex-is-testing-a-flame-deflector-for-starship-without-permits.html
This is a big deal getting national attention. You can cover your ears and eyes forever

>>15643955
>Kolodny

>>15643955
>author who unironically cites ESG Hound

>>15643955
You do not need a permit to run a sprinkler, whoever suggests you do should be dragged out into the street and shot without another word or delay.

>>15643945
I hate this fucking wannabe hall monitor piece of shit, first he bitched about the launch db being unacceptable (and of course it was fine on launch day) and now he bitches about the thing that would help that issue even more by quenching sound and energy

>>15643551
Anastrope is kind of an inverse ESGHound, both are using their expertise in a related field to essentially read tea leaves off of possibly incomplete public information and maybe a little insider info, their expertise makes their claims seem more grounded but also prone to overconfidence.
Personally I actually like to read Hound's articles because I find all the info about regulatory processes interesting, he clearly knows his stuff but I think his stickler for rules approach makes him not really consider how malleable rules can be if you try to not strictly follow them and just how good Musk companies are at exploiting such cracks and loopholes.

>>15643953
Saying that he doesn't necessarily have all the information and that it's possible that SpaceX has agreements that aren't public record allowing them to do this or that there's some arcane rules-lawyering (which Musk companies are very good at) he isn't aware of or considering that allows it.
Alternatively, if you're a 1 you just call it FUD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjP9B24h5Uo

Elon talking about winning

>>15643993
You are giving ESG Hound too much credit, he makes shit up and moves on to his next grift angle when nothing happens like he predicts.

>>15641998
kek
This post deserves a (You).

>>15643993
>he clearly knows his stuff
He's like the police. They know stuff, but in the court of law, anything you say can and will be used against you. In other words, he will tell you half truths to advance his own goal.

>>15642858
>"Any thread which gets its laughs out of pretending to like Robert Zubrin will sooner or later be invaded and overtaken by people who genuinely like Robert Zubrin and think they are in good company."

>>15644148

away goes the booster

when an engine isn't firing on the booster does it get damaged by the other engines shooting heat / exhaust whatever back into it? or are they all too directed down that nothing comes back into it?

Will Clear stream this f9? Taking bets

>>15644181
>NSF grift streaming even THIS

L M A O
M
A
O

https://youtu.be/alkJWrqffcw

starlink stream live

Live Late Night Falcon kino

>>15643173
Why is that just a picture of a bunch of test tube clamps?