/sci/ - Science & Math

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1687551185509888000

Glass the Earth, demigod war eventually

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/08/rocket-report-lack-of-transparency-on-ariane-6-drastic-cuts-down-under/

Small rockets
> Australian industry faces cuts.
> iRocket to work with Air Force.
> Virgin Galactic sees limited revenues

Medium rockets
> Latest Antares reaches the end of the line.
> Ariane 6 rocket development continues in the shadows.
> Where is the Amur rocket Russia promised?
> Sierra Space working on upper stage engine.
> Australia confirms object as Indian rocket.

Heavy rockets
> Aerojet sale to L3Harris is finalized.
> Falcon Heavy flies again.

>>15632807

Anyone else working in satellite companies? Got anything juicy to share?
My CEO has somehow managed to raise high 8 figures despite never designing a single satellite before lmao. Investors are just throwing money.

Reminder that Christianity is a Jewish lie, and a death cult literally centered around cuckoldry.

https://orbitalindex.com/archive/2023-08-02-Issue-229/

>>15632843

How is SpaceX shitting out raptors and boosters so quickly? What black magic are they using in their factories?

>>15632857
It’s called not being oldspace

>>15632857
By actually designing them to be mass manufacturable
probably way more expensive from fixed costs etc perspective but per engine its going to be way cheaper in the end, they are taking a big risk assuming that Starship will actually have a market, allthough that has been partly solved with Starlink
taking risks like that is just not possible for other companies, the CEOs get kicked out if they try, a company that could perhaps try it is Blue Origin, but Bezos does not seem to give a single shit

>>15632857
Hold on to your hat, cowboy. Production is going to do nothing but increase. This is only the beginning

>>15632877
Also something I forgot to mention
they have the best engineers (or at least get to choose from best new grads constantly)

https://twitter.com/StephenClark1/status/1687584583963783168

>>15632832
>Anyone else working in satellite companies?
yes
>Got anything juicy to share?
no thanks, I'd like to keep my job

>>15632881
Vulcan is almost read- ACK

I miss her every day

Holy shit every thread on this board EXCEPT /sfg/ is infested with containment board tourists. Its so bad you cant even discuss anything without retards interrupting with some dumb shit they import from their boards. I just want to track LK-99 progress like I always do here with Starship but my lord it is AWFUL. I have a new appreciation for you frens, thank you for contributing meaningful discussion and updates about Starship here even during boring downtimes between launches.

>>15632896
We're too autistic about rockets for our hyperfocus to get hooked on anything else

>>15632896
I am not even kidding when I say I almost never think about /sci/. I just live here in the /sfg/ bubble. I rarely look at the catalog, and when I do it’s usually only by accident when I click the catalog button. And it gives me cancer

Reminder that rockets will soon be obsolete

>>15632904
It was the same for me until LK-99, it feels like /pol/ Lite with a small hint of science mixed in.

>>15632891
What did Tim Dodds cameraman mean by this

>>15632843
The Osiris Rex shoutout is more apt than they know

If they had programmed even a second longer delay in backing off from the asteroid it would have swallowed the spacecraft

>>15632882
What do you work on anon?

>>15632891
I wish she would move so I can see the trailer hitch

> gold might be the special sauce to improve LK-99
asteroid mining bros....

>>15632926
database administration

>>15632916
got kind of burned out with LK-99 after following it for like a week
the replications and papers will continue to come in and in a few months, it should be somewhat clear if it is actually a RTSC or not
the theoretical papers have been like "yeah I guess it might be true maybe, not ruling it out but no confirmation either"
the replication attempts and associated papers have been sloppy, getting either no levitation or partial levitation, electric resistance measurements being shit (this probably because its difficult to synthetize + difficult to measure something that is probably just a patchy rock with some SC in it if it exist)
getting a clear picture is going to take quite a while, I have ascended beyond its over and we're back

>>15632944
Welcome to science

>>15632935
better yet, what if 0g synthesis increases yields/purity dramatically?
would increase the cost and decrease the viability of the material in some instances, but a very clear economic incentive for better space technology would be based

>>15632935
Doping the copper with sulfur might also work so harvesting phosphine, CO2, and sulfuric acid from Venus's atmosphere would help.

>>15632952
>what if 0g synthesis increases yields/purity dramatically?
This is true for any mineral

>>15632834
And that's why Jews hate Christianity and do everything to destroy it?

>>15632952
Then you find a way to buy Varda stock

>>15632928
we had her instagram at one time

>>15632816
Odds they turn on the deluge for the static fire?

>>15632960
They don't, they just pantomime it loudly to keep you dumbasses fooled.

>>15632970
that's what it's there for, no?

>>15632968
Alas, it fell with the library of alexandria

>>15632960
Fuck off back to /lkg/ and leave us alone you /pol/tard.

>>15632974
They don't necessarily need to turn it on for the static fire, however, especially if it's not a full SF with all engines. If it's just a 3-second burn with some of the engines there's no point.

>>15632970
0%, they are obviously hoping to immensely fuck up the pad again

>>15632977
partial pressure deluge for a partial engine fire

I wonder why a space company hasn't tried an Open Source Rocket grift/thing yet
>Contribute to the rocket code on our GitHub!
ITAR maybe?

>upcoming b9 sf
holy shit, we're back bros.

>>15632987
Yeah maybe for a small sounding rocket. I’m not sure how an Electron-sized rocket would fair with thousands of lines of code reading “hitlerdidnothingwrong”

>>15632987
You couldn't even host it on GitHub as a foreign national if you were to attempt an open-source rocket

The best you can get is books on the subject that describe general principles

How much can starship take to leo, then land with it? Can you take 100 tons of Lk99 ovens, cook in space, then come home? No crew

>>15632998
It would make more sense to have the foundries permanently stationed in LEO. Starships ship up raw material in bulk and transport final product back down to URF in bulk

>>15632998
>random lk99 obsession
obvious tourist, theres a containment thread set up for your types called /lkg/ here >>15632584

>>15632998
dV for landing is like 2000m/s right

>>15632976
Sorry, I don't browse /pol/. What is /lkg/?

>>15633004
>ywn be a member of the /comfy/ skeleton crew aboard the automated LK99 Station
Why even live

>>15633004
Why? Set up the part you want to do in 0g, have it orbit for a few days or whatever it takes, and come home

>>15633019
why are you hauling the tools back and forth every time?

>>15633019
More yield/given flight

>>15633019
Pro tip, don’t look for a job in the aerospace sector

>>15633021
oh I see. well, you have to compare that to cargo transfer to a space station and all that. I guess it's way too soon to speculate

>microgravity superconductor factories
And the workers running them have to live somewhere close by...

>>15633041
ai robot miners dont need a place to live and neither to the ai robot customers

>>15633041
fuck bernal spheres. stupid fucking shape

the old eda starbase tours make me smile :)

>>15633050
For me it’s that second starship presentation where everyone asked full retard questions, only for Tim to actually ask some cool things. You could see Elon IMMEDIATELY shift from “tee hee I’m so quirky!” to “hmmm let me think, this is a good question”
I gained a little respect for eda that day

The next SS presentation should require a mandatory IQ test in order to participate

>>15633060
that was the first presentation of ITS in 2016. spacex since trimmed the q&a off the uploaded video lol

>>15633025
I applied for Applebee's and told them my starship science vessel ideas. They are going to call me back real soon!

>>15633066
No no no I’m talking about the most recent one when they set up the tower+full stack in the background

TIL
The Ariane 4 (ELA 2) mobile launch platform was sold to an amusement park (Puy du fou) and repurposed as a moving castle for a medieval-themed performance

Source is an engineer who works at kourou

You now remember the guy who begged elon for a job in the live q&a

>>15633072
i didnt think they werent that bad

>>15633076
which one? there's the crazy guy at the tesla q&a who wanted to be CEO, the starship q&a, and a couple retards at the E3 elon x todd howard q&a

>>15633080
I guess it’s relative. No one asked technical questions until Tim inquired about Raptor. And really the whole reason I tuned in was to learn about Starship’s current specs

>>15633073
Pretty cool
Calling Puy du fou an amusement park is underselling it, it's amazing

Darling Fascist bullyboy, launch a Starship, you bastard. May the seed of your loin be fruitful in the belly of your woman.

>>15632896
>I just want to track LK-99 progress
go back

>tfw we fell for the shuttle meme
we should've kept the saturn program alive and slapped some NERVA engines in 'em, we'd have been exploring the outer solar system two decades ago by now.

>>15633120
Nixon was 2000 IQ and had the foresight to know NTP is GAY

>>15633091
yes it was disappointing

>>15633120
You do know that the soviets abandoned the idea of nuclear thermal propulsion because they decided the idea was just too dangerous for them, right?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/15i41ee/nasa_has_announced_the_crew_that_will_be/
did you see this?
>Nasa has announced the crew that will be returning to the moon in 2024

>>15633161
You MUST go back

>>15633161
>breaddit
Kill yourself now.

>>15633161
>thread locked

>>15633170
>>15633166
Looks like /sfg/ is still on the ball with btfoing tourists, good job fellas and keep up the good work.

>>15633126

>>15633173
kek

>>15633179
Hahahahah

>>15632843
Hand-waving robotics is one of my biggest annoyances in discussions of Moon or Mars bases and the like, both here and elsewhere. People always seem to act like automated construction, mining, and (propellant) production are basically a solved problem and will be ready once sufficient launch capacity exists. If anything, getting there is the easy part.

>>15632843
Imagine a permanent phobos base for surface probes and rovers control...

https://twitter.com/NASAVoyager/status/1687549375445352449

we got voyager 2 back

Added a few more to my ongoing space ship name list

>>15632968
What would you dm her?
Give me your best starship pickup lines

>Preparing for next Starship flight! This time, I think we have ~50% probability of reaching orbital velocity, however even getting to stage separation would be a win.

>50%

It's fucking over

>>15633257
>Hey girl I couldn’t help but notice that big thrust/weight ratio

>>15633257
>can I static fire in your water deluge system?

>>15633262
On one hand, he said 50% for the first FH
on the other, 50% chance on the 2nd flight is pretty shit, not quite astra tier but no better than an average startup

>>15633262
>even getting to stage separation would be a win
We have never been so over than we are right now

>>15633262
of course it has a 50% chance of getting to orbital velocity, either it does or it doesn't

>>15633262
This doesn't make sense. I was told by very intelligent, super smart, high IQ geniuses on /sfg/ that the next Starship flight is nowhere close to being performed.

>>15633311
There won't be another launch attempt this year my tier-1 muskrat friend

>>15633262
50% was FH too?

>>15633336
Musk famously said “50/50” when asked to give it a probability. This is tip of the iceberg knowledge

>>15633242
>-nder attack by unidentified jet aircraft, require immediate assistanc-
>USS Liberty...say again?
>Liberty go for space dock

>>15633161
>Nasa has announced the crew that will be waving to the moon in 2025
ftfy

>>15633399
Do you think people got this assmad about apollo 8 and 10?

>>15633257
fuck beby give pusi maam bitch

>>15633325
Seethe harder skeptic redditor

>>15633455
Probably not because nobody had landed on the moon at that point.

>>15633161
>reddit niggers

>>15633262
30% was the first time
50% is this time.

Its good chance

>>15633161
>flybystronauts

https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1dRKZMEMrvmxB/peek

There's a space spaces about Starship/Mars with Felix

>>15633498
>Felix
No fucking thank you

>>15633498
go back

>>15632857
Because their goal is to make engines and rockets cheaply, quickly, and in indefinite number.
Oldspace endeavors to make a set number as slowly as possible while squeezing as much cash out of the government as they can.

https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1687580072473931778

Astra, I...

>>15633533
>laid of
he should kill himself probably

>>15633535
Kek

>>15633533
>[Astra] also raised $10.8 million in debt from High Trail Capital.
What does this mean? Is this just a slightly-better phrasing of “they are $10.8 mil more in debt”?

>>15633543
They laid off 25% of their employees, 70 employees.

>>15633533
If they totally abandoned launch vehicles and focused only on satellite buses, propulsion, and maybe some novel on-orbit service, that would be Astra's redemption. The launch market is dead for a long while coming.

>>15633533
At this point I'm only keeping my shares to see what's going to happen. Also because it would cost me more to get rid of them than I would get back lmao

>>15633552
Not even. Their best bet is to throw what little resources they have left at engines and engines only (aka the only semi-competent thing they might have left) and just hope someone buys them out. I don’t even know why Rocket 4 is still a thing at this point. It’s simply not realistic at all

>>15633610
Rocket 4's engines are actually licensed from Firefly and Ursa Major, so that's gonna be a no go

>>15633622
Woah I thought Astra reversed that decision. They really have nothing to their name do they?

>>15633004
I just remembered that ISS cookie baking experiment how it seemed too hard and expensive to be reasonable. They didn't even get to eat the cookies, they loaded it off the ISS and sent it back. And it wasn't clear to me why you needed a life supported space station. I'm trying to imagine the same experiment except you do it on something like inspiration 4 that's unmanned. And the cookies are worth a lot of money to justify the trip.

>>15633262
>~50% probability of reaching orbital velocit

>>15633643
just their electric propulsion

Why does elon always pick 50%
this isn't the first time.

>>15633666
I honestly think he’s just trolling. It’s his way of saying “who knows, really”

>>15633666
Either it works or it doesn't. 50/50

Master and Commander, but in space

>>15633687
$ASTR and Pinkwojak

>>15633687
SpaceX vs E*rthers

>>15633687
Captain Jack Aubrey and his best friend, Medical Bot Maturin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my1euFQHH-o
What the fuck is Uranus's problem

>>15633704
It’s hard for me to imagine an ice giant getting “hit” when it’s lots and lots of gas by volume. I bet it looked wonky

>>15633011
lol, lmao
for which planet

>>15633704
Does venus spin slow enough that daylight is more infleunced by what time of year it is?

>>15633720
Somewhat related: it’s hard for me to imagine metallic hydrogen being metastable, because surely at some point Jupiter got rocked once or twice. Enough to throw out parts from the metallic hydrogen layer. And if this were the case we would see evidence of stable metallic hydrogen in our solar system. Or other observed star systems with giant hydrogen planets. Granted I’m not sure how we would go about “detecting” this phase of hydrogen (assuming it existed in a stable form outside of a giant planet’s mantle)

>>15633242

>>15633311
it's 50/50 between the FAA stopping launches forever and Starship launching five times before November

>>15633760
Haha

Gateway PPE hardware
Also, Mongolia signature secured for the artemis accords

>>15633818
>Also, Mongolia signature secured for the artemis accords
Must be awkward feeling from Russia/China

Mongolia already has Starlink operating too.

>>15633720
very little of gas or ice giants are 'atmosphere' by volume

>>15633830
mostly oceans, you figure?

>>15633687
The year is 1993. Yanayev is master of Eurasia. Gravity wells are now battlefields.

>>15633838
of liquid hydrogen

>>15633830
Yeah lol I worded it very carefully. I originally had it typed out as "mostly gas by volume" but did some thinking before posting
Although, if you look at Uranus cross section depictions, a pretty sizeable portion of the planet IS depicted as gas

>>15633860
I'm not going to look at a cross section of your anus

>>15633818
>Mongolia signature secured for the artemis accords
I mean, neat, but does Mongolia have anything to bring to the table regarding Artemis? As far as I know their entire country consists of mining, riding motorcycles, and having a good time in yurts.

>>15633867
As other anons have explained it to me, signing the artemis accords isn’t exactly about “what do you being to OUR table??”
It’s about “oh look, you and I agree to mitigate orbital debris. You and I agree to not leave trash on the moon. You and ai agree to X Y Z” and these things are inherently anti-china and to a lesser extent anti-russia. It’s low key about gatekeeping as many countries as possible into following “our” rules with the lure of offering them free rides for scientific equipment and/or astronauts

>>15633150
The Soviets were pussies. Look how many times they thought there were US nukes incoming and did nothing. Sure it prevented nuclear Holocaust, but they still blinked. Bitches.

>>15633878
Correct.

>>15633666
He waits for the probability to reach 50% before tweeting.

>>15632904
Lol have been clicking next thread for years. Haven't been in Sci cataloge for a long time.

anyone have the video handy of the spacex employees watching OFT1

>>15633210
Not necessarily. Huge upmass from starship means you can basically have standard stuff from earth sent to space. And big mass means that (a lot of) humans can do the assembly. Starship will put really big things up (150 tonnes) but then humans will glue/bolt/weld/tie them together. I imagine it'd be like offshore oil work: The skilled, expensive talent is taken to the site, works on it for some weeks/months, then rotates back home for a while to recover while another crew keeps the work going.
One of the harder problems is working in vacuum-- all existing spacesuit gloves are really horrible to work in, and any EVA is quite slow. Maybe for big objects that will stay in zero/low gravity (like space stations, asteroid miners, huge spaceships, cyclers, etc) a balloon/drydock will be pressurized around the construction site. Then workers could be far more efficient. You wouldn't build a 100,000 tonne Martian Steel Works in orbit because you'd never be able to land it.

>>15633878
>and these things are inherently anti-china
I understand now, excellent

>>15633964
I feel like the answer here is going to have to be hardsuits with the hands fully enclosed and transmitting movements to an external pair of hands via haptic rig.

>>15633987
Or just give them nicer gloves

>>15634005
Let’s wait and see what SeX’s EVA gloves end up looking like. Presumably still shitty to work with. I don’t think it’s one of those things that can be easily fixed

It's way over my head but this sounds like x.ai
https://epistem.ink/570c388dff0e4eeb9de16c35129baac2

>>15633743
>He doesn't know that metallic hydrogen is actually dark matter.

>>15633964
The problem with just sending standard stuff is that it is designed with very different assumptions. You mention operation already, but there's also heat rejection, regolith (maybe not in your pressurised bubble), and lots of smaller stuff (do standard wheels work on Mars? Does a lot of this stuff actually fit in Starship?). This is a better answer, but it's still very hand-wavey (standard equipment will just work and workers having to assemble their survival essentials with no way back if anything on the path to in-situ propellant production doesn't work as expected is a risk that's easy to sell).

>>15634012
AI cannot tell you about the universe. It can only know what it is programmed to know
>inb4 what if it’s “true sentience” though bro

>>15634020
Yeeeeeah. I’m NTA, but I agree with the sentiment that we are doing a lot of hand waiting here and assuming it’ll just work out. Starship’s capabilities certainly help out by giving us huge mass margins to work with. And yeah maybe a lot of these problems will be easily solvable, hopefully. But we can’t pretend we’re ready-to-go with foundries and propellant production facilities and whatnot at this very moment

>>15634031
Ooh adding on to my own post here: this also applies to a lot of Starship’s intended tech. We shouldn’t assume propellant transfer and depots and rapid reuse are already secured. Hopefully they will be easy to solve! Knock on wood. But there is still lots of R&D in the “billions and billions” (and maybe one more billions) of dollar range left to do before we have anything close to self-sufficiency even on a system as close as our own Moon

>>15634031
>>15634034
Everyone else saying "oh nooo it's going to be super hard" is also why it took SpaceX to actually push the state of the art past 50s tier single use boosters. Assuming that it's going to be incredibly difficult has never helped anyone accomplish anything.

>>15634049
No you’re right here, I don’t disagree. It’s what separates SpaceX from the rest of the pack (pact?)
They aren’t afraid to approach challenging problems with an open mind—and this has helped them leapfrog literally everyone else in the industry in only like 8 short years

I really don't think SpaceX will be the answer for space travel. the mass reusability of the current rockets is inevitably not going to come to fruition, as long as the cost of a rocket failure is human life and multi-millions of dollars. Also some astronauts have already been shitted on by poor decisions made during production (no toilets lel.)

>>15634080
>>>/lgbt/

>>15634080
How have you still not gone back at this point?

>>15634084
have fun!!!

>>15633878
What's the anti China and Russia bit in there?

>>15634103
Oh God I’m the worst person to ask lol. I personally hold the position that NASA is pretty anti-China more than it needs to be. (other anons butt out of this. Yes I understand they will try to steal anything and everything if you give them an inch)
Long story short; My post had that anti-china and anti-russia statement simply because that’s the point of the artemis accords. Trying to get as many countries as possible to be “pro-NASA” and “anti-China”

>>15634116
NASA's really got nothing to do with it (they'd be working with China and Russia if they could). They're legally banned from interacting with China in a formal sense. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_Amendment

>>15634122
Counter-point: it’s sort of in NASA’s favor to artificially inflate China, and now also Russia, as an adversary. It means more money from congress to try and “stay ahead”
Personally it comes across as the US trying to artificially create some new space race because we do not currently have the luxury of having an obvious enemy, aka a reason to throw even more money at Artemis and humans to mars

NASA is funded by american government therefore it must conform to the american foreign policy which is anti-russian and anti-chinese for obvious reasons. It's not like they're free to do whatever's the most optimal for space exploration, this is the case both on international level and on domestic level (Senate Launch System comes to mind).

ESA austronauts, from the Italian space agency were supposed to visit the Chinese space station but shortly after Russia invaded Ukraine the collaboration was silently scrapped.

>>15634080
>the mass reusability of the current rockets is inevitably not going to come to fruition, as long as the cost of a rocket failure is human life and multi-millions of dollars.

Google, what is the 737's capacity?

>Originally developed as a shorter, lower-cost twin-engined airliner derived from Boeing's 707 and 727, the 737 has developed into a family of nine passenger models with a capacity of 85 to 215 passengers.

Google, how much does a 737 cost?

>The 737-700 has an average minimum price of $82.4 million. The 737-800, a preferred model for many airlines, costs $98.4 million.

>>15634160
no idea what the fuck youre talking about

>>15634080
>I really don't think SpaceX will be the answer for space travel.
then nothing is. The boomer government model of Apollo doesn't really work except for small bursts when there is cultural and political support for space travel.

>>15634160
no idea what you're talking about.

>>15634156
>which is anti-russian and anti-chinese for obvious reasons
This is not obvious though. Even during the height of the space race, discoveries were being traded back and forth with russia pretty regularly. And Apollo-Soyuz happened very damn quickly. Not to mention we visited Mir often and then built an entire international station with them as our equal partner

>>15634167
>>15634172
boeing is not the answer for air travel

boeing is not the answer for air travel

>>15634021
that's not ai

>>15634169
maybe the U.S. shouldn't try to leverage some of the greediest, inept people on earth, publicly traded corporations. If there is ever a mass catastrophe, which is much more likely to happen because mass realities, that can cause runaway destabilization of the company.

>>15634191
Don't really care for your "its just like x" argument. Smoke on some car exhaust,

>>15634227
Wow. Malding AND reddit spacing. Do you have any productive counterarguments, or are you just in the mood to complain?

>>15634235
lol! Lmao even!

>>15634221
What do you mean

>>15634227
If you don't care for discussion go drive-by shitpost in a normal transient thread, this is a general.

>>15634012
The most important question is will I be able to use their AI for roleplaying and making stories?

>>15634012
this is how elon is going to make the astronomers pay. he is going to make them pay dearly for his superior computer ai that solve the ultimate question of the universe and they will be forced to fucking pay. they will pay for all the harm they cause to starlink

It’s easy to forget that there’s still a lot regarding Starship which is unproven. Stage sep, second engine start, etc. we also have no idea if the hot staging ring will work - or not staging itself.
Decent chance Booster 9 makes it to stage sep but hot staging blows up the vehicle. Or worse, the craft crumples due to a hot staging ring structural failure as the stack pulls 4gs near the end of Superheavy’s burn
It’s not a stretch to assume we may see 3 to 4 failed orbital attempts before their first success.

>>15634288
No shit, we may see 15 more full test failures and 50 partial failures resulting in loss-of-ship from “factory” starlink Starships. Maybe even more. They just need to find a way to launch as much as they need to

>>15634306
Yeah I have full faith in Starship but we also have to be realistic with stuff likes failures

>>15634288
>>15634306
Artemis 3 in 2026 though trust the plan :^)

>>15634288
>makes it to stage sep but hot staging blows up the vehicle
After watching that rocket get FTS'd and then refuse to blow up, I'd place this at a very low chance

Five launches a year, if they’re lucky. Texas is a dead end I’m sorry to say

shame theres only 1 place they can launch starship from

If SX still aren’t ready by the time Long March 10 comes online, I think the US govt needs to let SeX do whatever they want whenever they please. Imminent domain the rest of the fags out of the starbase area and close the beach permanently

>>15634318
Unironically, Florida is even worse than texas

>>15634288
I mean they're able to load test the hot staging ring on the ground (which is what they're doing now). They also seem to have several alternative designs they're working on that are going to be ready to go soon if this one fails.

>>15633878
The Artemis Accords are not "anti China" on the surface but it does signal the signatories are in America's camp when it comes to space.

>>15634160
>737

>>15634288
Don't be a lazy concern troll.

>>15634321
If Starship isn't ready by 2029 it would mean something like WW3 happened and the US is a nuclear wasteland.

>>15634336
Not a bad timeline considering our stagnating/gay culture.
Jedem das Seine

>>15632891
>>15632918
you just know

>>15634325
No it isn't. No environmental review. The pads are already built. And continued expansion and ease of licensure for launches is happening. Florida is by far easier because the beetle crowd have no leg to stand on, and can't even try their tactics due to NASA hurling the SLS into space, and previously the Saturn and STS. Currently, the Space Force is trying to absorb as many adjacent agencies and governmental powers as it can in order to give it more legitimacy. So when they say that they plan on the Cape being run like an airport, I can only envision them making a movie on the FAA's tenuous reasoning for why they should be the ones to oversee rocket launches and investigation when rockets by their very nature fall under national security as military hardware.

>>15634431
Why would private rockets be under the jurisdiction of a government uniformed service? Also FL has a bunch of gay range rules, as it stands right now at least. And this is only going to get worse when new rockets like NG and Vulcan and SLS start ramping up activity.

>>15633170
The earth is flat and stationary with a dome. They are never ever leaving this enclosed plane alive, and neither are you sciencegoys.
CGI is all you get in this life and if you are vaxxed, I know many of you here are well boosted, then the Mars landings will be livestreamed straight into your vaxxed brain.
Also with the latest Neurolink brain processor you'll be able to watch multiple landings at the same time, with the same bitrate and no loss in quality experience.

>>15634329
Damn starship small af compared to the average airliner
They still have a lot of catching up before they get to the big leagues

>>15634488
ever wonder why boeing is still on top? this is why

>>15632857
You got the question wrong.
Ask yourself instead why oldspace make everything so incredibly expensive.

So how accurate do spacex need to be to catch things with the chopsticks? Is it about the same as landing the f9 first stages on those barges, or have they not really talked about that yet?

>>15633959
cambamjamfam on Xitter

>>15634898
they've been quiet about it

>>15634898
The barge is a CEP of about a meter or two

A catching system requires even higher precision since the 'pegs' are comparatively tiny. I would not be surprised if they solve this problem by moving the catch arms, not the rocket

>>15633498
Who? Pewdiepie?

>ISS is getting extended into the 2030s
wtf lol whats the point of CLD then?

>>15635083
CLDs will be flying before then, it’s likely that Russia will want to extend because there is no shit ROSS gets built or Starliner keeps getting delayed and its contracts get pushed into the 2030s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwNfHKJMPMg

>>15635133
The earth is flat and stationary with a dome. They are never ever leaving this enclosed plane alive, and neither are you sciencegoys.
CGI is all you get in this life and if you are vaxxed, I know many of you here are well boosted, then the Mars landings will be livestreamed straight into your vaxxed brain.
Also with the latest Neurolink brain processor you'll be able to watch multiple landings at the same time, with the same bitrate and no loss in quality experience.

>>15634011
you don't actually need gloves for vacuum

>>15634103
China keeps dropping upper stages on uncontrolled reentries

>>15634160
lmao gottem

>>15633818
>>15633826
>>15633867
>>15633878
lmao lol

>40 days to Mars
how can chemicalcucks even compete?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnAKQlrNSbc
I haven't seen this level of autism since skykang threads on /pol/

im sure you can be in both artemis accords and ilrsco

>>15634080
>Also some astronauts have already been shitted on by poor decisions made during production (no toilets lel.)
what did he mean by this

>>15635465
Indian century

>>15635404
They keep dropping lower stages on uncontrolled villages, so it all works out.

>>15635433
>autism
You mean in the chat? They're pajeets, anon.

>>15635433
IT NOT BURNING BASTARD
CHINESE SABOTAGE

>>15635516
basically all the Artemis accords say is that you disapprove of both of those things

https://twitter.com/TylerG1998/status/1687513806799323136
When the muttsronauts say something so deracinated you gotta hit them with the Grebenkin stare

>>15633543
in this case High Trail Capital are the debtors; in other words basically astra raised $10.8mil of funds. Finance jews intentionally make every single term confusing and counterintuitive to obfuscate their jewery, and that has nothing to do with Astra's financiers or HTC; It's endemic to all fiat currencies. The solution is for musk to bomb the federal reserve with fully loaded tanker starships.

>>15635555
Musk's problem with the fed is that they raised rates too much and are too slow to slash them. I don't know in what fantasy land you live in in which he opposes the "Finance jews". Also, I seriously hope you aren't advocating a precious metal based currency in the space thread.

>>15635533
>Joy
>Joy
>Joy
>Russian

Patch for an Atlas V flight currently slated for the end of the month
This will be the first Atlas since November and the second ULA launch of the year

>>15635718
Furtranny NROniggers

>>15635726
It's just a normal wild fox
why you heff to be mad

>>15635555
lol

The earth is flat and stationary with a dome. They are never ever leaving this enclosed plane alive, and neither are you sciencegoys.
CGI is all you get in this life and if you are vaxxed, I know many of you here are well boosted, then the Mars landings will be livestreamed straight into your vaxxed brain.
Also with the latest Neurolink brain processor you'll be able to watch multiple landings at the same time, with the same bitrate and no loss in quality experience.

>>15635533
Love the contrast lmao
Pockocmoc was probably trying to emulate the SpaceX astronaut portraits rather than the NASA ones

it's been a while since we've had an actual spammer huh

>>15635731
They put furry animals or weird anthropomorphic dragons on every single patch.
There is no denying it

>>15633242
>Mr. Worldwide
lol

>>15635761
real /sfg/ oldfags remember the LIES.gif poster

Drawing or SATMOS, ONERA’s (French aerospace research agency) 1963-64 attempt to beat CNES to orbit, derived from a Berenice sounds rocket

>>15635761
it's not that easy in spammery

His only mistake was giving up

>>15635897
his only mistake was getting distracted by asian poon

>>15635944
Many such cases!

Yenisei bros...

A smallsat conference going on now. There's a livestream on the main page.
https://smallsat.org/
https://smallsat.org/conference/technical-sessions

The earth is flat and stationary with a dome. They are never ever leaving this enclosed plane alive, and neither are you sciencegoys.
CGI is all you get in this life and if you are vaxxed, I know many of you here are well boosted, then the Mars landings will be livestreamed straight into your vaxxed brain.
Also with the latest Neurolink brain processor you'll be able to watch multiple landings at the same time, with the same bitrate and no loss in quality experience.

>>15635951
The closest thing that Russia is going to have to a super-heavy lifter is an Angara 5 with a hydrogen fueled upper stage. At least they won't need to spend twenty years building a new launch complex for that.

>>15635955
https://twitter.com/hashtag/smallsat?src=hashtag_click&f=live

More from various pieces

are we ever going to get to see Boeings giant red cube docked to ISS? or is boeing so incompetent they can't even get their antigravity tech off the ground

>>15636043
is this cube the same one that is bigger on the inside than outside or no? Is it the one that murdered an American?

Chandrayaan-3 is officially in lunar orbit

>>15636065
shouldn't that be an apolune lowering maneuver?

>>15636065
The hardest part is landing software. Hopefully they learned a lot from their last attempt

So what was up with ISRU refusing to admit their first attempt failed? Even though everyone and their mother knew it obviously did.
Were they just embarrassed?

>>15636089
* ISRO

>>15636081
You are technically correct, but I'm pretty sure ISRO twitter is for-normies-by-interns, and the interns don't have English as their first language.

>>15636081
Yeah but it's just some random indian who made the graphic, and having different apsis suffixes for each body is dumb anyway

>>15636096
>and having different apsis suffixes for each body is dumb anyway
Yeah

S O O N

>>15636124
Wait so where is the “thrust” coming from, I’m confused

>>15635533
Serious question: why is it that you can look at the cosmonaut and instantly say “oh he’s Russian” without saying even seeing his patches and shit

>>15636127

Booster 9 arrived to the OLM on June 20. If it static fires tomorrow - which all signs point to - then the time from arrival to static fire is 2 and a half weeks

>>15636139
Physiognomy, unironically. Many consider it a pseudoscience (think “Nazis trying to measure heads to determine ‘aryan’ features”) but there’s some truth to it. Cultures and ethnicities share common features. It’s certainly not foolproof or an exact science, but it has some merit behind it. It’s the reason you can sometimes look at an asian and immediately know they are korean. Or how some people simply look “new zealander”

>>15633050
The 2021 tour was better than the 2022 one desu

>>15636100
this is why I only ever say apoapse and periapse

>>15636163
I think the pseudoscientific part is judging character traits from facial structure, not estimating race.

>>15634080
Yes fellow anonymous poster, I concur. I'm a Blue Origin fanboy now.

>>15636185
> character (behavioral phenotype) and physical phenotype are independent
No

>>15636185
Yeah I agree

What would ships in a future martian navy be named?
>Mariner
>Olympus Mons
>Viking
>Roadster (maybe)
>Musk
>Mark Watney

>>15636225
USS John Titor

>>15636096
>having different apsis suffixes for each body is dumb anyway
yep, but astro-fags have an autistic attachment to their retarded conventions

we still measure stellar magnitudes using smaller numbers to indicate brighter objects ffs, and even though literally every astronomer you ask will tell you it's stupid that it's still done, they'll also scream like a baby if you suggest changing it.

>>15636225
John Carter
Doomguy

>>15636085
JAVA RUNS ON BILLIONS OF DEVICES

>>15634021
I imagine this language is not suggesting AI could directly answer grand questions about the nature of the universe, but that learning about AI, and in particular comparing it to human intelligence, could help explain the well known, long standing philosophical problems concerning the mind and its relation to the rest of the universe.

>>15636388
Not necessarily. You nailed the first part.
And I agree to an extent with the second part. Although it’s a classic problem of “how can we create conscience/sentience if we don’t really understand it in the first place”? Is “real” AI going to have to be discovered step by step, in bursts of accidental discoveries? Perhaps. And who knows, we could maybe inadvertently discover more about the universe along the way idk. It’s not really space flight related though hahah, other than the fact that AI will more likel than not be tagging along with us to the Stars if and when we figure it out

>>15636185
>judging character traits from facial structure
He looks like Frodo lol

>>15634021
ai is not programmed to know anything

>>15636448
Precisely my point
You aren’t going to learn more about the universe by digging through Minecraft’s Java code

Would a water bomber earth-to-earth Starship for firefighting purposes be feasible?
Dibs on naming it the ‘Dalmatian’

>>15636557
yeah bro just hover over the super dry forest with those Raptors, what could possibly go wrong

>>15636557
>>15636568
Ballistic trajectory over the hot zone, open your starlink-style trap door, and release the fire retardant. I think the mass shift would be a problem though. Plus flying a plane is probably still cheaper

>>15635951
To the slav in the pic… it’s time to go bald bro. David Russell Williams looking ass

>>15636528
That's half wrong wrong though. Humans use math to find theories for physics, and then testing and observation proves which theories describe our universe. Weren't black holes found on paper before evidence for them was observed? Things like that. So asking if you can automate that exploration process with computers isn't a dumb question and can't be handwaved.

>>15632977
110% thrust double length static fire soon, stalker

>>15636625
Mmmm not a bad point. I see. Using computers to supplement (or rather, aid with) creativity

>>15636432
We understand consciousness/sentience perfectly well, we just keep trying it more than it is. Our brain operates on the same fundamental coding as a machine learning algorithm:
Take observations/data
Fit to a line
Interpolate
Sentience is just the limit where the number of interpolations goes to N >>> 1. But rather than acknowledge that, philosophy wankers insist on trying to differentiate us from everything else whether it be through some Divine Spark or what have you.

>>15636557
Tesla robot firefighters. Hard to beat boots on the ground, and you get the advantage of not having to risk human lives so they can go wherever they need to go long as they’re retardant enough
Retardbots, one might say

>>15634080
i agree, plane travel will just never catch on. the risk of dying in a crash is just too great

>>15636225
>ARES
>ARES 1
>ARES 2
>ARES 3
>ARES 4
>ARES 5
>ARES 6
>ARES 7
>PHOBOS (Later renamed to MARTIAN MOON PHOBOS)
>DEIMOS (Later renamed to MARTIAN MOON DEIMOS)

>>15636669
Ok but stop dreaming. Making a robot operate a fire engine and a hose to put out fire is as hard as building a human.
This is not a narrow AI problem.
They're struggling with driving cars so hard already because even it is not solvable with narrow AI.
It just deceptively seems more like it could be which is why retard nigger Elon to this day is so wrong about how hard it will be.

>>15636756
Just augment them to real firefighters—the same way the chair force pilot drones from the comfort of air conditioned offices

>>15636769
Have you ever seen a monkey help humans put out a fire?
Could you build something better than a monkey?

>>15636774
A monkey is a free thinking primate
A robot is a robot
Nice comparison there watson

>>15636163
no fucking shit, muttoid
various ethnicities other than "white", "black" and "mexican" exist
you uncovered some deep fucking lore right there
>>15636139
>why does a Russian look Russian?
because god created all animals on day 4, that's why
I swear some of you guys are dumb as brick and I don't know if it's the fluoride in water or too much corn sirup

Has SF happened yet?
>>15636789
Very nice kot

>>15636789
anti american sentiment is not welcome in the spaceflight general

>>15636557
No. You require an enormous amount of water to put out a serious building fire, let alone a forest fire. You'd never in a million years be able to make something fuel efficient enough for it to be practical. Even fire retardant foams are going to be too heavy for the shear amount you'd need to extinguish or just contain a blaze.

>>15636800
static fire sunday
maybe
probably
we'll see

>>15636625
>Weren't black holes found on paper before evidence for them was observed?
Hell, the simple concept of a star that's so big light can't get away from it dates back before relativity even.

>>15636769
>Using an xbox360 controller to pilot a robot firefighter through a blazing inferno that'd cook your weak meat in moments
Sounds fucking rad

does the iss surviving past 2030 hurt space station companies like axiom?

>>15636818
Please, spare me the exaggeration. We’ll use a Logitech G F710 for control inputs

>>15636819
it hurts my feelings :(

>>15636819
probably helps axiom specifically because they're trying to build their station off of ISS and this gives them more leeway

>>15636819
Nope! The cost of station maintenance is already outrageously high. The lure of commercial stations being cheaper to operate will be far more attractive than the shitstation running on life support once CLDs start operating routinely

>>15636827
If it can control a sub it can control a teslabot!

>>15636836
Yeah how can a station require so much maintenance that they talk about a few astronauts worth of full-time. Like what there even to maintain?

X

>>15636846
I’m sorry but, I really have no idea what you are asking

>>15636847
I remember when I was first diagnosed with schizophrenia, too

>>15636847
its over

>>15636848
what are they maintaining all the time on the ISS?

>>15636847
high quality post

https://twitter.com/isroprisdead/status/1687837050039615488

Have they tested hot stage skirt yet?

>>15636065
ISRO has… italicized an emoji?

>>15636858
Oh, that I don’t know. I’m just parroting other anons here on /sfg/ who claim more manhours are spent dealing with the station these days than actually running experiments. It could be completely wrong, I’ve just always assumed they’re telling the truth

>>15636863
>gimmick account

I'M BOREED

even if it’s LARPy, SpaceX should design a roundel

>>15636888
They already kind of have one: the big ol SX logo on the droneships

https://twitter.com/SpaceOffshore/status/1687906046088478720
SPACEX should write SPACEX on their booster soot

>>15636897
At some point does the computer have to account for the extra mass of the soot? Or is it negligible

>>15636905
Negligible

Imagine Superheavy's soot...

*sniiiiiiiffffffff*

>>15636915
Methane can produce soot (I believe even with FFSC to a very, very small degree) but you’re likely to never ever notice it even after 100 flights

>>15636915
Crack open a chemistry textbook

>>15636929
Crack open deez nuts

>>15636625
>Weren't black holes found on paper before evidence for them was observed?
They go back to the 18th century
>In a paper for the Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society of London, read on 27 November 1783, Michell was the first to propose the existence of black holes, which he called "dark stars". Having accepted Newton's corpuscular theory of light, which posited that light consists of minuscule particles, he reasoned that such particles, when emanated by a star, would be slowed down by its gravitational pull, and that it might therefore be possible to determine the star's mass based on the reduction in speed. This insight led in turn to the recognition that a star's gravitational pull might be so strong that the escape velocity would exceed the speed of light. Michell calculated that this would be the case with a star more than 500 times the size of the Sun. Since light would not be able to escape such a star, it would be invisible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Michell

>>15636935
Thought experiments and its consequences have been a blessing for the human race

>>15636935
eh. That's not really black holes.
Predicting black holes is predicting gravitational collapse.

>>15636944
Not necessarily right? You could theoretically have a kugelblitz. A black hole with no matter (and by extension, gravity) involved in the initial formation process. So much radiation, light, or heat concentrated in one area will still create an event horizon. Although I guess once you have an event horizon that is gravitational collapse so maybe you’re right

>>15636557
Not in the way you depicted it. If you took a tanker starship, filled all of its volume up with liquid nitrogen, and then used superheavy to loft it on a suborbital path towards the fire, then you might have something. No matter how big a fire gets it still needs oxygen, and you can put it out by smothering it with a large volume of anything that doesn't contain any oxygen. Nitrogen is something SpaceX already has on hand, but you could easily swap that out for liquid CO2 if that gets you better performance.

>>15636557
Imagine how crazy wildfires were in the carboniferous. Super high oxygen levels in the Earth’s atmosphere, and shitloads of dead vegetation that didn’t decompose like it does today so kindle just built up like crazy

>>15636985
there are geologic layers all around the world that point to continent-wide wildfires before bacteria and funji evolved the enzymes to break down vegetation

>>15636985
Going back in time to the find the biggest leaf pile in Earth's history and jumping into it

>>15636985
>dead vegetation that didn’t decompose like it does today so kindle just built up like crazy
Take your meds

>>15636225
Heart of Roggs

>>15637002
He’s right

What the hell was that all about??

Static fire tomorrow

oh shit we back.
in other news overpressure notice issued, static fire sunday

is 4chan back yet

>>15637014
Captcha system was busted for about seven hours and otherwise wasn't loading for something like five hours before that.

>>15637002
Take Earth-Sci 101

>>15637015
they're going to blow it all up

>>15637015
L2 keeps getting vindicated

>>15637015
NOOO DOOMER BRO'S THE OLM WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DESTROYED!!!!

POV: Booster 9 static fired under full deluge

>>15637044
who's POV?

>>15637048
History's

>>15637048
The camera’s

>>15637048
Who is POV??

we’re back

>>15637039

>>15637012
I can see clearly now, the rain has gone

>>15637048
whoever was phone

>>15637060
who i'snt

>>15637060
Whose POV is who's

>>15637060
*Whom

>>15637073
Whomst've?

7 hours must be the longest there has been without any posts on an sfg thread in a while

>>15637077
4chun down

>>15637081
No. Wrong. Lies and such. Etc.
sfg is dead.

Dongfang Hour's videos actually do a good job of explaining the current status of Chinese spaceflight but he does the shill thing and downplays the negatives (like in his LM5B re-entry video).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-KrMfIkDdg

>>15637077
there are threads on /po/ that have been up since 2016 btw

>>15637085
Muskrats do the exact same thing with Starship so it’s fair game

>>15637090
>spot the CSS/Thunderfoot/ESG Hound audience

>>15637090
results over rhetoric.
china gets results
spacex? not so much. lots of rhetoric

>>15637103
does thunderf00t like the ccp

>>15637103
Ummm, based

>>15637104
thunderf00t has never debunked china (he cant)

Sounding rockets are the worst fucking part of a RP-0 career

>>15636644
How do qualia arise in your model? Do humans have conscious experiences? Do machine learning algorithms?

How do you answer and explain your answers without philosophy wanking?

i thought we still need FAA approval? they havent even submitted their investigation and spacex hasnt made preventative actions...

>>15636225
USS Krystal's feet (named because the ship runs off methane, its very smelly)

>>15637015
based adult diaper enthusiast

>>15637104
thunderf00t prefers one fewer C

>>15636644
>We understand consciousness/sentience perfectly
stopped reading there

>>15637120
FAA approval probably won't be given until after they static fire it and are ready for launch

>>15637120
Report Summary: shit blew up big time
Preventative Action: new deluge system, upgrade FTS, new booster design
Now let them fly

>>15637125
methane doesnt smell and neither does her feet (she is well groomed by me)

>>15637138
ok why are they dragging their feet instead of submitting their action report? chances are FAA will tack on new additional bullshit that will take longer

>>15637120
>spacex hasnt made preventative actions

>>15637156
I honestly know nothing about the FAA side of the regulatory process

>>15637160
*preventive actions requested by the FAA
which will certaimnl include stupid shit like a 6 month researched book report
>>15637162
it's the part that Elon seems less knowledgable of based on Walter Isaacson's recount of IFT-1 launch day. nearly all of Elon's timelines completely ignore regulatory delays

>>15637171
based regulation ignore-er

>>15637171
Yup. Elon indicated in May that the ships would need to finish upgrades, and then require a month of testing before IFT-2.
By the beginning of August almost all hardware was approaching completion. But I’m willing to bet a) it will be more than a month of testing, and b) this doesn’t account for jack shit on the regulatory side
My estimate is October 14 at the very earliest. I would not be surprised if it takes as long as Q2 2024 though—by virtue of regulation shit being completely unpredictable

>>15637183
I actually don't think the FAA/regulatory side will be an issue this time around. But its really impossible to know.

>they havent attached the hot stage ring
>they havent stacked the ship onto it

>>15637171
>preventive actions requested by the FAA

Tell us what those requested actions are.

>>15637196
>they havent even launched the full stack
>they havent even flown payloads
>they havent even flown commercial payloads
>they havent even completed hls demonstrations

>>15637196
The hot stage ring literally just uses the same clamps that hold Starship and Superheavy together, carrying it over to the OLM with an SPMT will take longer than actually stacking it on B9.

>>15636940
Hell, the entirety of Galileo's initial theory of gravitational freefall was based on a thought experiment first and physical experimentation second.
>Hmm, Aristotle says heavy things fall faster than lighter things.
>What would happen if you drop a heavy thing attached to a lighter thing?
>The lighter thing wants to fall slower and the heavy thing wants to fall faster, so they should fall somewhere in between the rate of either object separately.
>But wait, the lighter thing and the heavy thing together weigh more than the heavy thing on its own, so they should fall faster than either object separately.
>Now wait just a goddamned minute! Those can't both be true! Aristotle's full of shit!

There is supposed to be a Rocket Lab Electron launch in a few minutes, but they have removed the stream. Anyone have news?

>>15637233
Scroobed due to sensor data saying no-go.

https://twitter.com/RocketLab/status/1688048244558123008

>>15637241
nightlife can't catch a break. cool photo though

>>15637160
why is there no water in the very center?

>>15637255
There is? Quite a lot.

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1685043032616509440

>>15637255
>>15637265
Water pipes are laid at 45+ degree angle such that water is forced away from the pad.

There's no benefit to having the center shooter water straight upward.

>>15637117
>How do qualia arise in your model?
Qualia and subjectivity arise as a consequence of sensory and experiential differences. Everyone's sensory input is slightly (or sometimes significantly) different, and no two persons' life experiences are going to match up precisely. Thus, two individuals interpolating a qualitative prediction, decision, or judgement can arrive at different results. You see the same thing happen with machine learning algorithms - a data set trained on a set of images will, when prompted, produce result A, while a data set trained on images with a slightly different background noise profile or interspersed with random white noise or really anything other than the same identical dataset will, when prompted the same way, produce result B.

>Do humans have conscious experiences? Do machine learning algorithms?
At a certain level of complexity, the distinctions between conscious thought and complex instinct, between free will and nonlinear determinism become negligible. Picture a double pendulum. Disturbed by any more than the smallest of perturbations and this simplest of nonlinear systems takes on a complex and unpredictable path, where even the slightest of differences between initial conditions produce completely different results. Is it a deterministic system? A probabilistic system? Both? Neither? The answers is yes - welcome to chaotic systems.

>>15637133
We do, maybe not all the precise neurochemical mechanisms going on under the surface, but we understand the basic algorithmic process, we just don't want to admit it because a bunch of philosofags and theolocunts would be out of a job if they had to admit that the answers to the great questions they've been arguing over for millenia don't matter (and not in a nihilistic edgelord way, in a "you're asking the wrong questions" way).

>>15637214
unironically we'll be waiting 10 years before cadence ramp fuck my life

>>15637203
artist? sauce?

>>15637421
looks like AI

>>15636225
Tyr'ahnee

>>15636225
Is there a martian reference that isn't super basic?

>>15637488
buckets of cum

>>15637326
not reading that. have my (You)

>>15637160
Can't unsee Krystal butthole

>>15636225
They'll be named after famous colonists, war heroes, battles, cities, etc. of cultural relevance to Mars the same way they are in other countries (ex. USS Nimitz, HMS Lancaster, etc.)
>MSS Pretorius
>MSS Kruger
>MSS Johannesburg
>MSS Voortrekker
and so on

>>15637510
tl;dr - different sensory organs and experiences result in different qualita because you're feeding different 'training data' into the model

lmao Astra's laying off flight software engineers it's fucking over

>>15637529
The definition of qualia id that it's unphysical.
You can't explain it like that by definition.

>>15637536
No, the definition of qualia is that it's subjective, in contrast to quanta which is objective.

>astra laid off 1/4 of their entire staff
KEEEEEEEK SHORT $ASTR FOREVER

>>15637501
The Viking lander samples, depending on who you ask.

>>15637574
They also transferred a bunch of other people to the spacecraft engine division and hired a mergers & acquisitions specialist company which probably means they're selling it off.

>ufos and aliens confirmed beyond any possible doubt
>boeing contractors (janitors) saw the red cube at vandenberg
>sfg sleeps

>>15637015
we're so back, bros

>>15637606
>ufos
Stopped reading there, go back to >>>/x/ I even left a link for you.