/sci/ - Science & Math

In Musk We Thrust.

>Atlas flying into 2029

They've removed the scaffolding from the OLM.

>Solar flares are veritable antimatter factories:
>https://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/solarsystem/rhessi_antimatter.html
>About 500 grams of antimatter was detected in a single flare. It's not immediately destroyed but instead shifted around far outside the dense regions where it is formed.
https://twitter.com/ToughSf/status/1686542622809047041
Torchship bros...

>>15624757
At the current cadence its going to take them a while to work through the vehicles they have left.

I don't want to say its ogre but its ogre

>>15624796
whoa, Marooned in Realtime got it right, predicting solar antimatter farms in the few years before the Singularity

aliens

>>15625002
Full power to the Moog

Why will you Pilot in the lunar war?

>>15625010
where are the mars ships?

>>15624796
>magnets turn off
>explooosion

>>15625010
>militarized ACES tug
>.50 BMG

based

Sixteenth for Wernher von Braun

you guys still haven't explained why I can't make the nosecone out of dry ice so it dissolves releasing the payload or why I can't make the entire rocket tankage out of dry ice either

>>15625089
CO2 is relatively heavy and extremely mechanically weak.

Interstellar Express 1,2 & 3 approved by CCP! A little tight on funding since its competing with lunar and Mars sample return missions.
>1&2 will use good old RTGs and will launch in 2024 and 2025
>3 will use a nuclear reactor and will launch in 2030

Actually a pretty cool mission. I want to see more deep space projects in the future, stuff like Breakthrough Starshot.

>>15625136
Concept 3 feasibility study is still waiting for approval

>>15625136
I just hope China discovers the HD Camera before construction begins lmao
They always skimp out on resolution for visual spectrum cameras, which I think should be prioritized if you’re going to Neptune or Uranus for the first time since the voyagers

>>15625140
No fucking way this happens, there is no budget. It’s cool though

>>15625051
Superconductors don't need constantly applied power to maintain a magnetic field!

>>15624752
Sounds like his moon is open for business.

it's over

https://twitter.com/BeardedTesla/status/1686863888602759168

>>15625007
ARP > Moog

we could fit a lot of starlink satellites in Starship if they were submerged in the LOX or methane tank

>>15625220
Does Boca statistically have higher fatalities, or does it only seem that way because the whole area is constantly observed and talked about

>>15625272
There's probably more cowboy shit going on at Boca than other sites.

>>15625298
lol true

>>15625136
I wonder if their DSN will be ready in time, or if they're willing to accept that they're only going to be able to downlink a tiny amount of data every year

we all want china to go to the moon, but it's hard to justify their shitty program
>tiny robotic outpost
>apollo style flags and footprints missions every few years
>useless international partners

it's not going to get china anywhere, and it's not going to motivate america to do better in spaceflight

What's up my fellow Xtraterrestrials, can't believe SS Xcursion managed to land safely and now I'm on Mars

>>15625429
>it's not going to motivate america to do better in spaceflight
I assume this is your biggest gripe with it. And yeah it is pretty lame; but I don’t think they see it as a competition. At least not at this time. It’s a budget-constrained program spread over a long time. Remember that the CCP isn’t throwing boatloads of cash at their space program (I wish they would). They have a lot of money for LM9, LM10, and a new capsule. That leaves little left for a huge lander and giant surface infrastructure

I asked this before as a joke but it’s also quasi-serious: how could one convince Xi Jingping that space is super cool and worth throwing a shit load of money and resources at?

>>15625429
To be honest I just want to see moon hoaxers explain why China's moon missions look exactly like Apollo

>>15625498
Hahah

>>15624746
>The Space Force is interested in DRACO primarily as an option for allowing it to undertake rapid on-orbit maneuvers — part of a capability service leaders now refer to as “space maneuver and logistics” — for example to avoid adversary anti-satellite attacks, or chase down suspicious adversary satellites to inspect them. However, it also has an eye on future operations in space beyond typical Earth orbits out to the Moon, Mars and maybe even beyond.

Space Force is best thing that happened to spaceflight since SpaceX, mark my words.

>>15625517
https://breakingdefense.com/2023/07/darpa-nasa-tap-lockheed-martin-to-design-build-draco-nuclear-rocket-for-deep-space-missions/

forgot link

>>15625517
I guess so, but it’s a whole lot of proposals with almost no hardware. Wtf happened to that rhea space activity ship they were “for sure going to build”

>>15625517
>US Govt outlaws private nuclear rocket engines, sits on the idea for like 70 years doing nothing
>Finally draws up one dinky proposal
>“Wow so based, no one else is doing this!”

>>15625486
They've got bigger problems at home they need to fix before they start talking about prestige missions in space

Hell I think I just saw something about 300k unemployed Chinese college grads being offered jobs as farmers

I'm suprised that liquid ammonia has been ignored so long as a rocket propellant.

It has performance similar to methalox, but unlike the latter it produces no carbon in the combustion process.

It could also be a great alternative to jet fuel.

>>15625010
What's stopping all these massive radiators from getting shredded in the first few minutes of combat?

>>15625591
Anon I just want you to know that, yes you have posted this multiple times, and no I cannot give you an answer—but I have thought about this question a lot

From what I could find, you have shittier density impulse and isp. But I stumbled upon an old internet forum (can’t find it now) where someone said the energy savings of ISRUing ammonia adds some benefit over methalox, in certain situations. I remember this person claimed methane is best for mars, hydrogen on the moon, and I unfortunately can’t remember where they cited ammonia as the king

>>15625607
The biggest historical interest in NH3 as a propellant was early on in the soviet NTR program, and even they eventually said "fuck it, we'll just use hydrogen."

>>15625624
https://www.space-travel.com/reports/Russia_Develops_Revolutionary_Ammonia_Rocket_Engine_999.html
Apparently they were going to give it another shot with a RD-161 derivative in the before times when Rogozin was sane.

>>15625486
>how could one convince Xi Jingping that space is super cool and worth throwing a shit load of money and resources at?
the same way they did it during the moon race, convince the leaders that being first somewhere will show up their rivals.
The only problem is figuring out an easy first now that the moon is pretty much done (the first base would be good, but it's quite hard and expensive to do)
Maybe we could convince him that a manned flyby of Mars or Venus could be a good first, landing is hard but flinging a capsule around would be easier and it would technically be 2 firsts as well (first human to enter interplanetary space and first human to flyby another planet)

if china can spend trillions on building ghost cities they can spend a fraction of that to build a space economy

>von Braun action figures don't exist
this is the closest thing and its tiny and not poseable wtf
https://ca.super-hobby.com/products/Wernher-von-Braun.html

Russia Today comments on American spaceflight are so funny

>>15625655
The US lucked out with Musk, if it wasn't for him then this guy would be totally right.

>>15625648
This is why I’m surprised they aren’t just going for a Venus or Mars flyby. Not *too* difficult, and an easy snag for a “first”

>>15625655
I’m too scared to laugh at him on the 1% chance he’s actually right in ten years lol

>>15625646
I get that ammonia is cheaper than hydrogen, but the point of hydrogen propulsion isn't that it's cheap, it's that's is very high performance. This just sounds like a couple of mad slavs deciding to try running one of their engine designs on a new propellant combo just for the shits while saying "Please give us funding. No one has paid us since Gorbachev left."

https://twitter.com/schiffer_soft/status/1686763431129493505/

>>15625254
Starlink is mass constrained not volume constrained

>>15625683
I just don't see the point of a flyby. I mean, Venus you can't even land there anyhow, but Mars, that's a long way to go just to wave at it. The only difference from being in a space station for two years is the need for maneuvers and no way to abandon in case of a emergency. There is literally no science benefit from a flyby that you can't get with a probe.

>>15625694
Yeah as you just said, I don’t think it has any benefit if you’re launching from Earth and you’re rocket+engines are already in the multi-millions of dollars range. At that point it becomes negligible to just pay the extra price for methane or hydrogen.
I think the benefits only appear when you’re trying to produce your own fuel off-world

>>15625712
V2s minis are volume constraint, thats why its designed to be smaller.

>>15625655
How far ahead is Russian and Chinese space lunch?

>>15625713
You do it for prestige, anon. Yeah if you go to Venus you’re just going to see a monocolor ball of clouds. But shit, you went and visited a fucking planet with your country’s flag on the side of your tin can. Oh you can’t safely abort if something goes wrong? It’s a risk of exploration!

>>15625726
About a whole decade ahead of the 1950s lmfao

>>15625158
the force applied to the hydrogen atoms amounts to a transfer of energy, energy taken from the magnetic field. You need to supply energy to the magnets, but how often is a big question

>>15625747
How much did people care about the moon missions before they landed? The only apollo mission that people remember is 11 (13 doesn't count as that's not remembered for it's mission)

>>15625768
Normies didn’t care after 11, so I doubt they cared before 11 (Apollo 1 doesn’t count as that’s not remembered for its mission either lol)

>>15625709
is there a denser oxidiser?

>>15625795
There are many

>>15625523
>>15625517
In 50 years the USSF and the Artemis program will be the things Trump's admin is remembered for.

>>15625778
Oh I should add one more thing:
Our modern age of social media is weird. People have even shorter attention spans. Personally, I don’t think Artemis is going to hold any “pop culture social credits” after Artemis 3. The landing will happen and people will move on with caring
But a flyby is tailor-made for the age of internet troglodytes. It’s a one and done thing. It would generate a lot of hype at launch, at rendezvous, and I guess at return. Imagine if China did it, congress would be going crazy about how “we let this happen! How did this happen????? WE WILL TRIPLE NASA’S BUSGET THIS IS A NATIONAL SECURITY CONCERN” or whatever

What makes you retards think that China is not investing billions in space right now

>>15625830
>investing billions
what do you think this does? the SLS cost billions

>>15625747
> chinks do a Venus flyby
> Americans embrace the 'The Moon is a planet' truth to cuckold them out of the first interplanetary flight
I'm ok with this

>>15625826

>>15625830
we know they are
these numbers are all public
still nowhere near US private + public + natsec investment which is likely hundreds of billions

>>15625795
You could ways go with ozone or ozone-oxygen mix

>>15625830
They are. But “billions” only gets you a soviet style station and a few big LEO rockets with dinky robotic planetary missions

>>15625849
And that's enough to surpass ESA and Russia.

>>15625854
Apparently so

>>15625830
But what billions would even do for them? Just for example would giving SpaceX billions change anything at this point?

I am still mindfucked about learning how SUSIE still expends the second stage. I cannot stop thinking about how stupid this is

>>15624757
Vulcan still won’t be ready by then kek

>>15625842
China also isn't spending billions just to procure, let alone launch, a single rocket like SLS.

>>15625862
Because it's the 2nd stage of Ariane 6.

>>15625869
Surely they aren’t grifting LM9 and LM10 the way the US is doing with SLS, but those are still two huge rockets that will require a lot of resources and R&D money before even launching for the first time

>>15625834
>>15625849
>>15625842
They're building 2(?) launch centers and a test center, 3 companies made it to orbit with increasingly large rockets, they have like 4 different LM models in development, they're expanding their space station, they're starting to build constellations and they're developing the suits, habitats, etc. for the lunar landing.
China is doing everything it can to ramp up its space industry, throwing more money at the problem is not going to help at this point

>>15625869
Big government projects like SLS are not really about the rocket, they're about supply chains and manufacturing expertise. If you do not constantly do them, the country will literally lose the domestic capacity and have to build up from scratch again. Launching stuff into space is a byproduct.

>>15625841
>38Mbps from the moon
This is where I shitpost and say send them up with a giant beamforming antenna and do space wifi

>>15625890
>>15625893
Two good points I can’t say I disagree with. Interesting

>>15625010
Whoever wins, actually loses, because they have to contend with the tunnel-dweller insurgencies

>>15625899
Where exactly could you put some satellites so that they always have a line to site with the earth and the lunar south pole? Would you need to do some sort of crazy non-keplerian statite? If it were low enough mass (which most satellites like starlink are these days) you could simply use a solar sail for “free” propulsion. I don’t know if L2 would work or not

>>15625922
>A statite (from the words static and satellite) is a hypothetical type of artificial satellite that employs a solar sail to continuously modify its orbit in ways that gravity alone would not allow.
>Typically, a statite would use the solar sail to "hover" in a location that would not otherwise be available as a stable geosynchronous orbit.
WTF

>>15625922
The cheaper solution is a lunar Starlink swarm with laser interconnects and an uplink to Gateway.

>>15625922
Right if only there was some sort of Way to do this? A Gateway one might say.

>>15625936
Oh I think I see. So if a satellite is blocked from seeing earth it just passes the message up the chain?

>>15625943
Yes, it's a natural fit for packet switched (IP) data.

>>15625947
>>15625940
Oh well that seems pretty obvious now. I should’ve thought of it before posting hah

>>15625930
The biggest problems with staties is probably their altitude, and thus latency. It's a solution that only a vatnik could love. Russia's high inclination is why they use molniya orbits, and a statite could be stationary at a high inclination.
>>15625936
There's still a good chunk of latency from E2M, but at least routing around the LLO constellation shouldn't add significant extra latency. The bigger worry will be dealing with mascons fucking up your constellation orbits.

>>15626045
>The bigger worry will be dealing with mascons fucking up your constellation orbits.
Right so I guess you either move the constellation further out and just take a relatively small hit, or alternatively launch more starlinks as older ones decay. Granted having a quasi-decaying constellation constantly slamming the surface with humans on it doesn’t exactly sound “safe” lol

WE MUST SPREAD AMONG THE STARS
WE MUST DO IT NOW

>>15626052
Yep, no atmosphere to burn them up on the way in, and no convenient oceans to dunk them into. You just have to make sure they don't fall in a "populated" area with a moon base, and hope they don't kick up too much rego-dust.

>>15625836
>>15625841
The earth is flat and stationary with a dome. They are never ever leaving this enclosed plane alive, and neither are you sciencegoys.
CGI is all you get in this life and if you are vaxxed, I know many of you here are well boosted, then the Mars landings will be livestreamed straight into your vaxxed brain.
Also with the latest Neurolink brain processor you'll be able to watch multiple landings at the same time, with the same bitrate and no loss in quality experience.

>>15626045
>>15626052
Can't you just use more computer to stay on sort of an ever changing orbit?

>>15626065
I am mortally afraid of us not spreading out soon enough to evade disaster.
Elon is totally right about us being a candle in a vast darkness.
There needs to be light years between civilizations otherwise life cannot be robust.

>>15625007

>>15626073
No dome but your own

>>15626076
computers aren't what keeps you on orbit, throost is, and you only have so much fuel

Hot off the presses

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-selects-axiom-space-for-another-private-space-mission-in-2024

>>15626097
That's not what I mean. There is multiple stable LLOs that precess in just the right way to be cyclical.
What I'm saying maybe they don't have to be cyclical just not crash into the surface?

>>15626103
SpaceX really needs to fix that nosecone, can't be bringing PMA's to every station, and PMA type nodes look ugly there I said it

>>15625795
Sure, but why waste money and energy on exotics when your purpose is to send shit up there for as low cost as possible?

>>15626112
What does baseduz have for a docking ring?

>>15625930
>>15626045
A statite that moves so as to hover over the lunar poles seems feasible though I'd use a magsail instead of a photon sail

>>15626095
The MMU seems like such a death trap. I can't believe anyone used it.

>>15626144
Terminal cuck mindset

>>15626144
Leave it to the heterosexual astronauts, we're not fraidy-cats like you gayboys

Will low mass/volume MOOSE type lifeboats get looked at again with all these new space stations being planned?

>>15626209
how long would it even take you to reenter if you jumped off the iss? I don't think reentry lifeboats are practical, a lifeboat should focus on extending your survival until rescue while you're still in orbit.

>>15626221
You: suffocating in your cuckpod waiting for a rescue that is too late
Me: steely eyed meteor man blazing a fiery trail to safety

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1686856860907741184

I trust his analysis to atleast have some semblance of realism/skepticism, given his contacts with various physics/engineering/NASA/rocket engineers people.

>>15626221
Depends on in what direction you jump.

>>15626221
Maybe a year, since you'd still be on a 400km circular orbit. NASA projected it'd take at least 180 days without reboosts for the station to decay down to an altitude where atmospheric drag would be both significant and hard to model beforehand.

>>15626293
>burger getting in on the action
scepticbros...
is it well and truly over?

What's the current status of LK-99?
Has Varda achieved anything?

>>15626332
sceptic bros are pissing and shitting right now

>>15626052
good point hahah

Some updates in the commercial space stations

>>15626364
Still unconfirmed but it looks promising. Whatever it turns out to be it's looking to give the material science types some serious erections.

New small launch company dropped

https://payloadspace.com/irocket-partners-with-the-afrl-on-its-reusable-launch-vehicle/

>>15626364
confirmed zero resistance at ~-160°C, everybody trying to replicate it is unable to make it pure enough or big enough to test properly so it's taking a while to get results

>>15624752
fuck musk

>>15626402
I wish

>>15626364
They’re sending the samples to be examined by USC tomorrow

>>15626378
I’m betting money NG fails to launch a single module for orbital reef. BO will be buying rocket launches from, uhhhhh… FH?

>>15626425
NG here meaning new glenn, not northrop. In the event there is any confusion
Also yes I know it sounds stupid to say they will buy SpaceX rockets. But Vulcan and A6 are booked. Maybe orbital reef will just get kicked down the road until NG is ready—which, only christ knows when that’ll be

>>15626425
>>15626441

The modules are meant to fit in NGs payload bay, I’m not sure if they could fit inside of Falcon Heavy

>>15625591
It's no propane

Good morning /sfg/.
Australian space program in shambles on headline news.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-08-03/australia-space-industry-cuts-730/102683954
>"The industry was very disappointed with the cuts," Adam Gilmour, founder of Gold Coast-based rocket company Gilmour Space Technologies, told 7.30.
>"I remember when the National Space Mission was cut. I had a very busy phone that day, a lot of people from the industry were calling me up to say, 'what do you think's gonna happen? You know, what does the future look like?' And there was a lot of distraught people in the industry, so that was a pretty dark couple of days."

>>15626534
Of all the fucking rockets to use as a cover photo…… why?

>>15626534
>industry that was never really alive returns to official death

>>15625747
Venus has weather and sometimes you can see the surface

GUESS WHO'S BACK

>>15625795
N2O4, H2O2, and O2 are essentially the three densest practical oxidizers

>>15626554
WHAT you can see the surface it weather permits?? Are you sure?
Holy FUCK imagine traveling millions of miles only for the weather to suck when you get there and you can’t see anything lmfao

>>15626297
>t. olympic high jump champion Jamiroquai Ngigganigga

who even buys the nsf store stuff

>>15626636
saved, excellent rogg quality.

>>15626663
probably the same people who pay to message them on their live streams.

>>15626636
Oh fuck yes

>>15626663
I wanna buy their Starship plushie because they're cylindrical like arms and I can replicate the feeling of being cuddled in bed. Also it looks pretty cool

L2 says Spin Prime tomorrow, static fire Sunday. At least, that’s the goal

>>15626757
L2 says a lot of things

Legitimately curious about timelines involving interplanetary warfare. What’s the soonest, realistically, they could happen.
If the Moon or Mars rebelled before the end of the 21st century, it seems like Earth could just stop sending resupply ships and screw them over without firing a shot.
Like, is 2080 too early for a Earth-Moon war?

>>15626275
you: jumping because you're afraid of dying
me: jumping because I do not fear death

>>15626757
I really don’t give a fuck what L2 says these days; they’re always wrong and it’s full of gay trannies

>>15626636
> rustsuckers want to live on airless Mexico
lmao

>>15626785
Shut the fuck up you spindly rock-dwelling caveman. Go back to Vesta where you belong. Get out of my beautiful Imbrium city. Filth.

>>15626584
that's the standard, yeah

>>15625591
Doesn't it produce horrific NOx compounds instead?

>>15626775
It took a hundred years to colonize the east coast of North America with almost monthly boat trips and the ability to grow their own food

It will take at least that long before anywhere in space is suitably self-sufficient and colonized

>>15626821
>it took a hundred years
>in the 1500s
Great, so it will take 20 years in the modern day

>>15626554
>sometimes you can see the surface
Gonna need a cite for this improbable claim

Neil never said “…small step for [a] man…”
I will die on this hill

>>15626831
one of the random calibration photos of Venus from a gravity assist flybys in visible light had the surface visible

>>15626834
Man and Mankind are same thing so you allege he said one small step for mankind one giant leap for mankind?

>>15626839
link it then

>>15626856
No, he claims he said “one small step for a man”
But history remembers it as “one small step for man”
And when you listen to the audio, there is no fucking way he said “small step for *a* man”

>>15626862
Yeah there's no gap or space for a hidden word. And it sounds better without the a

>>15626862
Man and Mankind are same thing so you allege he said one small step for mankind one giant leap for mankind?

NASA has been memeing about humans to mars for like fifty years. If this is really their intent, why in the FUCK is JPL so autistic about exploring it robotically and expensively? Go study Venus’ surface. Y’know… a place humans will never, ever step foot on for as long as JPL is likely to exist

>>15626876
have you ever been formally diagnosed with autism?

>>15626876
Are you fucked in the head? Did you study reading comprehension in delhi?
I’m saying he never said “one small step for a man” he said “one small step for man”
Read the subtlety between the two quotes I provided

>>15626856
>Man and Mankind are same thing
Only an ESL would be so rigid. "Man" can mean a human being in the abstract
>Man created fire
is different from
>Mankind created fire
It's like "Anon". It means the abstraction of the individual poster. It doesn't necessarily mean all of us at once

>>15626364
Is over

>>15626839
if you mean this
https://phys.org/news/2022-02-parker-solar-probe-captures-images.html
it barely qualifies as visible light

>>15626859
https://phys.org/news/2022-02-parker-solar-probe-captures-images.html

>>15626888
Anon and Anonkind are same thing so you allege he said one small step for Anonkind one giant leap for Anonkind?

>>15626900
>>15626902
That's pretty interesting. They emphasise that there is a faint dull heat glow in visible light that you could see with your eyes over the night side . You can clearly make out the continents.

>>15626919
imagine orbiting over literal Hell

>>15626900
>>15626902
I feel like I’m having a stroke. I’ve seen this pic so many times, including the caption. But I guess it just never occurred to me that, yes, the surface might be visible to the human eye

Did you guys read Ted Kaczynski?

In terms of funding, how much would a sustainable moonbase really cost compared to the ISS?

would it be possible to keep a lander on the surface of venus cool long term? like with a lot of insulation and a heat pump?

>>15626932
Oh that polish guy? Yeah he had a lot of cool things to say about industrialization. What’s he up to these days?
>>15626859
Crazy to think that one day (albeit in the faaaaaaaaaar future) Mars might be seen as a shithole and Venus will be considered prime real estate. I personally consider her beautiful now but I understand a lot of fellow spaceflight autists don’t see her this way

>>15626935
Dirt fucking cheap if Starship/New Glenn turn out even half as good as promised
Way more emphasis on Starship

>>15626940
my demon themed floating Venus cloud casinos are going to absolutely make bank off of belter gold

>>15626936
https://youtu.be/wWJSV1AzbR8

LK-100 will be superconducting at Venus surface temperatures and pressures

https://twitter.com/thePrimalSpace/status/1687234648064040960

>>15627006
I dream of the day we can have something as complex as perseverance on Venus. I just know there’s a ton of cool shit waiting to be discovered

>>15626928
>But I guess it just never occurred to me that, yes, the surface might be visible to the human eye
Only in the night

>>15626757
Faggot

>>15627113
Okay but these all look like they’re infrared images of the night side. I still don’t think you can see the surface with the human eye even with calm weather

>>15627118
Here’s one I just found

https://twitter.com/tw__astro/status/1672391659101749250

Glory and Honor to Venera

Mars should obviously be prioritized, but I think people are quick to write off Venus as an interesting world just becuase it’s inhospitable. It’s so crazy that there’s this entire planet right next to us that is a similar mass and makeup, just a completely different planetary evolution

>>15627139
Silmaril, my beloved

>>15627166

>>15627166
>>15627179
Dangerously based. Lots of features on Titan are named after tolkien lore

>>15627148
Prioritizing Mars is what is getting Venus neglected. MSR is 100% to blame for Vertias being soft canceled.

>>15627247
Mars sample return and it’s consequences have been a disaster for overall solar system exploration

>>15627250
we need a venus sample return

>>15627253
Unironically yes. A lot of the surface is covered in more modern igneous overflows. I wonder if there are areas you could probe a little “deeper” (aka further back in time) such as natural craters or grabbons. I wonder if magellan had high enough resolution for us to find these places

>>15626928
>>15626902
Really nice images

>>15627253
Artemis will provide anon
>Two Yale University researchers have found a potential shortcut in sampling Venus’ ancient surface. Instead of sending a probe on a costly and extraordinarily challenging Venus sample return mission, they propose simply finding a Venusian meteorite on our own Moon.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucedorminey/2020/10/09/moon-may-harbor-ancient-pieces-of-venus-surface/?sh=4b61974c573c

>>15627092
>I just know there’s a ton of cool shit waiting to be discovered

roggs

>>15627316
Okay but in order to confirm whether or not a rogg is from venus wouldn’t we need, uhhhh, a confirmed venus sample from venus? Or do we have all the geochem venus data we need from remote sensing orbiters?

You 98 IQ
>We can't land on Venus because its a hellhole at 500c and 1000x bar and its impossible forget it, lead melts at that temp11!!

Me, 190 IQ
>We'll land on the highest point of Venus for initial sample return, where temp and pressure is slightly more survivable and loft into the 1 bar 50c sky afterwards to cool off for repeated samplings

>>15627353
i want to live there so bad. it's like living and breathing in a minecraft nether world

>>15627436
Crazy to think those dinky little AJ 10s are now gonna be expended with each artemis mission

>>15627253
Venus sample return would be an interesting thought exercise. You have maybe an hour to get the sample drilled and stowed before the internal electronics melt, then inflate a balloon and float the sample return catcher to high altitude, then from there you can do something wild like ISRU your own methalox, or float there waiting for a skyhook from a spaceplane, or launch from the balloon

>>15627458
just dock with my sky casino

>>15625648
What about a near Earth asteroid manned mission? I think they could grab that one for themselves if they did it fast enough.

>>15627462
lmao, read up on the reaction to ARM for why that won't happen

>>15627458
Balloon a sample up, rendezvous with a HAVOC balloon/return rocket

>>15627458
Would an atmospheric sample return be worth it?

>>15627474
No lol, you can measure that in-situ with a descent probe

>>15627474
yes because it would be easy. just have a probe that airbrakes but not all the way

I just wanted a venus balloon probe that took pictures of the clouds

>>15626741
>being huggled by plushie Starships

>>15627503
Starbooba

>>15627481
This was actually one of the better Mars sample return proposals I heard about. The annual dust storms kick particles high enough up into the atmosphere that you could grab a sample of them without ever needing to land.

>>15627572
are we doing this song and dance again?

>>15627582
Ummm based

Goodnight you scoundrels. Fuck SLS, fuck boeing, fuck solarfags past the asteroid belt, jeff bezos isn’t even a contender, venus is alright, superconductors now, and most importantly: remember drunk OmegA anon

https://twitter.com/AshleyKillip/status/1687244787601264641

what spacex cooking

Hello /sfg/, I've been more focused on LK-99 in the past couple of days and BTFOing /pol/cels off our board. Whats happened recently? Any new testing dates?

There might be a closure tomorrow. Otherwise, closures forthcoming Soon™

>>15627930
same lmao

>>15627582
I will always be a marsfag, no one can convince me otherwise: the thick crust, the rusty windworn rocks and the ancient moeurs that emanates from the place just does it for me.

>>15627684
>jeff bezos isn’t even a contender
Thanks to Blue Moon New Glenn is now just as essential to Artemis as Starship is.

>>15627930
The last Antares 230 launched. We also found out that the crap that got blown all over Boca Chica by OTF-1 was just sand, and there was a lot of antimusk cope on the social media platform formerly known as Twitter.

>>15627993
Delete this

https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceLaunchSystem/comments/15hmv5g/august_2023_artemis_iii_monthly_launch_date_poll/

https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceLaunchSystem/comments/15hmuau/august_2023_artemis_ii_monthly_launch_date_poll/
SLS COPE AGAIN

>>15628106
>reddit
You need to go back

>>15628107
We've been raiding these polls for 6 yeRs.

>>15628106
how come 2025 isn't even an option?

>>15628118
Because we used to always vote as far back as possible

>>15628106
what the fuck is "H" its Q

>>15628112
Yea but its dead now. The SLS cope has moved to X

>>15626559
>practical
If only LO3 was stable.

>>15627847
Are those not just alternative hotstage designs for if the first one doesn't work as expected? I can't tell how large they are so hard to tell.

>>15626544
another great example of a space development program (Ares) in shambles, that's why

>>15625591
Didn't the X-15 use lox and ammonia? I wonder why that combo never became common.

>>15627113
tangentially relevant, LEMMiNO's Bygone Visions of Cosmic Neighbors : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhfCietvDZo

>>15625726
>>15625750
Not a joke. The R7 based Soyuz launcher still uses 1950s spec peroxide - permanganate gas generators to run rhe turbopumps. Gemini Titan was more advanced.

>>15628762
Don't they still have "big wooden matchstick in the engine bell" ignition?

>>15628762
>>15625726
Pretending Russia has nothing newer that Soyuz is just as bad as the RT comment ignoring the global market domination by the Falcon 9.

>>15626398
>confirmed zero resistance at ~-160°C
Even this would be revolutionary

>>15626441
Orbital Reef will not exist

>>15626534
To be fair, the Australian Space Agency has been in shambles since it was announced

>>15628698
The language on its Wikipedia article claims that the priority shifted from "volumetric" to "gravimetric" optimization. around here we call it mass autism

>>15628943
Soyuz 2.1 is the most modern thing Russia has flying that can actually insert shit into functional orbits.
Angara keeps putting shit into fail orbits.

>>15629134
Trying to get anything funded by the Australian government that isn't connected to digging more coal out of the ground or putting more illegal immigrants in concentration camps is a tough sell

They probably wonder why they even need to bother with a national space program when they can buy commercial services overseas (for much cheaper) from countries that aren't likely to stop providing them. Someone savvier than me could probably make a damn good argument that replicating NASA's focus on directly benefiting the public and industry by licensing technology it develops would also help Australia move beyond a resource extraction economy. If Canada can do it, Australia should have no trouble

>>15624746
When will we have space elevators and mine asteroids instead of having doomsday asteroid movies from hollywood space flight general?

>>15629118
Thales is literally bending metal on it right now

>>15625010
>The Lunar War
based
>>15625601
nothing

>>15629173
Sure, however, it won't exist. At least not in orbit.
Some of the modules that get finished or nearly finished may end up as museum pieces.

The earth is flat and stationary with a dome. They are never ever leaving this enclosed plane alive, and neither are you sciencegoys.
CGI is all you get in this life and if you are vaxxed, I know many of you here are well boosted, then the Mars landings will be livestreamed straight into your vaxxed brain.
Also with the latest Neurolink brain processor you'll be able to watch multiple landings at the same time, with the same bitrate and no loss in quality experience.

ESA DOES NOT plan to live-stream the Ariane 6 rocket's upcoming long-duration hotfire test on its launch pad in French Guiana!

https://twitter.com/Kaynouky/status/1687258369092886528

>>15629487
lol, they think it's gonna blow up?

>>15629506
It's basically USSR/China's way of doing it - selective silence. If it fails no one knows about it if it works we can announce it.

>>15629510
No rocket will be launched dumbass, at this point they don't even bother faking them since the science golems will just gobble it up anyway so all they have to do is write about in the media. It will be real in your head as usual.

>>15627582
Still, nothing worse than a filthy e*rther

>>15629487
How much do I need to pay a brownoid mud hut dweller to get out there with a cellphone connection?

>>15629134
they shoulda called themselves ARSE

>be /sfg/
>get popular, become shit
>suddenly RTSC distracts all the retards
>suddenly /sfg/ is good again
mysterious

>>15628435
Ares, Arse, close enough.

>>15629794
>/sfg/ is good again

> $80,000,000 for a drone that can fly in very thin air
Why are people impressed by Ingenuity? It's bullshit

>>15627993
Kek

>>15625709
Do science golems ever wonder why they use rockets to take off vertically instead of planes like the "space" shuttle?

>>15629888
It’s been pretty comfy the last week or so. I’ve noticed a change in quality

We need to lower a drone into lava tubes to confirm the beginning of TunnelChad supremacy.

>>15629794
It's a little better but still dogshit. We will never have falcon heavy vibes again, sorry bro.

>>15625709
okay so the correct choice is LPG in a flexible bag inside of the oxidizer tank, right
>>15630133
fuck falcon heavy I want to know hop when

> Mars will develop the asteroid belt because its closer to it!
oh no no no

>>15630137
>fuck falcon heavy I want to know hop when

Newfag death

>>15630190
WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU JUST SAY YOU LITTLE BITCH

The earth is flat and stationary with a dome. They are never ever leaving this enclosed plane alive, and neither are you sciencegoys.
CGI is all you get in this life and if you are vaxxed, I know many of you here are well boosted, then the Mars landings will be livestreamed straight into your vaxxed brain.
Also with the latest Neurolink brain processor you'll be able to watch multiple landings at the same time, with the same bitrate and no loss in quality experience.

>>15629987
Shittle took off vertically, retard.

favorite books on (aero)space?

>>15630415
For me it’s war of the worlds and starship troopers (the books are way different than their respective blockbuster movies)
Rendezvous with Rama is loved by many, I was filtered by it
If you want something math-intensive read The Mars Project

>>15630454
Oh and I haven’t read Berger’s book yet but I’m sure it’s fantastic. Eric has a way with words that makes me laugh

Rumors on L2 that the upgrades on S28 are such that it may not be worth launching S25. And with regulatory delays, testing S28 could be done in time.

>>15630468
Already debunked

>>15630468
“L2 rumors” said Starship would try for orbit in 2021 in two weeks trust me bro…

>>15630415
Ignition!

>>15630415
>>15630480

>>15630415
>>15630480
thanks for the recs frens

Does Asimov have a “quintessential” book? Presumably I, Robot? I’ve also heard Foundation is good, and my old college roommate was obsessed with The Last Question.
I’ve only ever read Caves of Steel. It wasn’t necessarily bad. Just sort of ehhhhhh. It felt like a chore trying to finish it and I wasn’t really invested after the first half

Read textbooks niggers

>>15630514
>It felt like a chore trying to finish it
Then Asimov isn't really for you. He wrote for a different time.

>>15630415
Ignition! as other people have said.
Escaping gravity - Really good insider look into early SpaceX form the Government side of things
The Case for Mars - Gets a bit fan-fictiony, but overall good energy and content
Liftoff - Early SpaceX from the SpaceX side
Carrying the Fire - Michael Colin's autobiography about apollo and the moon landing. Really well written and interesting look into that time period.

>>15630514
>Does Asimov have a “quintessential” book?
Not in my opinion but some of his short pieces are ok - The Martian Way, while dated, is about rustsuckers breaking free of urfscum

>no scaffolding
wait is this shit done already?

>>15630575
Yes. Spin prime today.

The earth is flat and stationary with a dome. They are never ever leaving this enclosed plane alive, and neither are you sciencegoys.
CGI is all you get in this life and if you are vaxxed, I know many of you here are well boosted, then the Mars landings will be livestreamed straight into your vaxxed brain.
Also with the latest Neurolink brain processor you'll be able to watch multiple landings at the same time, with the same bitrate and no loss in quality experience.

I lived bitch

>>15630300
Exactly which makes it even more retarded kek

varda fucking won
the PR for this replication is insane

>>15630611
https://twitter.com/andrewmccalip/status/1687405505604734978

>>15630599
Were I on Mars I would crush your 80 million dollar carcass under my boot

>>15630614
i dont get it

>>15624746
Translunarsisters??

>daydreaming is VR waves sent to your vaxx nanochips!
Look at number 5 here, these are the people telling us to never reach for the stars

>>15630599
So did she fly or no? The phasing confuses me. “Expected flight date: yesterday”
https://mars.nasa.gov/technology/helicopter/status/473/flight-54-preview-by-the-numbers/

>>15625726
They're still eating shit out of tubes. Fucking chink losers.

>>15630617
the rock floats

>>15630636
The chinks get a microwave. We don’t get a microwave.

>>15630637
>a piece of metal directs itself toward a magnet
wooooooooow

>>15630650
it would pull itself flat

>>15630637
soon, everything will float

>>15630659
oh wow antigravity tech. you know the germans figured this out in the 40s

>>15630621
Kek

>>15630673
not everybody can rustle up a ton of liquid mercury and a vril witch you nignog

>Clear streaming Kerbal Space Program

>>15630726
this is a certified basedjak moment

Phoenix launched 16 years ago on this day! One day we will reclaim the Phoenix DVD.
Among the items stored on this disk are text copies of War or the Worlds (and orson welle’s radio broadcast version), Percival Lowell's 1908 book Mars as the Abode of Life with a map of his proposed canals, Ray Bradbury's 1950 novel The Martian Chronicles, and Kim Stanley Robinson's 1993 novel Green Mars. There are also messages directly addressed to future Martian visitors or settlers from, among others, Carl Sagan and Arthur C. Clarke.

>>15630611
>>15630614
He done it? POGGERS

>>15630726
>KSP 1
she's a keeper

>>15630415
Rockets and People

>>15630836
Chertok is a keeper, without him so much insanely interesting stuff would be lost to history.

>>15630770
Growing up fast.
>There are also messages directly addressed to future Martian visitors or settlers
I presume those weren't made public?

>>15630526
based

>>15630855
Hmm good question. It would be cooler if they weren’t; so you have to actually go retrieve the disk in order to find out what they said.

>>15630829
*he

timmer is optimistic that the superconductor is legit
https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/08/whats-going-on-with-the-reports-of-a-room-temperature-superconductor/

>>15630952
>ars nigger
LMAO

>>15624746
How important is space? How does it provide tangible benefit to the average man? And what is the economic reason to persue spaceflight?

(superconductor) spin launch

>>15630966
kek nice timing >>15630963

>>15630966
Count me in. Democracy is a scam.

>>15630966

Is there a reason SpaceX doesn't switch to nuclear thermal propulsion? That'd be a lot of saved fuel.
Or is that unsuitable for leaving Earth to start with.

>>15630966
wrong, there are currently 3 votes in space

>>15631013
fuck off, go back to wherever you came from

>>15631013
>SpaceX
>leaving Earth (orbit)
har har har

>>15631013
Yes, why wouldn't they want to switch to a perfected and well-understood propulsion system with no disadvantages from the weight of reactors and shielding an sheeit. Musk is a total retard.

>>15631023
Go home Jeff, you're drunk.

>>15631013
regulation nightmare and cost

>>15631013
Methane and Oxygen is the cheapest part of the rocket.

>>15631013
>We're actually trying to get hold of some nuclear material - it's hard, by the way
From Shotwell 2017 @ MIT

https://twitter.com/charlottelowey/status/913145922976190464

They've tried to get a hold of it, but regulations prevents them

spin prime

>>15631082
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkZAWzFE5Wg

https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1687478114769612800

>all 33
we are so back

I'm now deaf, thanks nsf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJiZKsII3HM
New ABL RS1 second stage test

>>15631083
Spin prime test on 10:13 AM CT

>spin prime
>no methane

wtf

>>15631083
>>15631102
https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1687482431094349824

>>15631089
grow up

>>15630637
Without having to be stupid-cold? I remember watching a Ted video a decade ago on a superconductor displaying superposition, the guy tilted the magnet and sent it spinning around the magnetic track. It had to be nitrogen cooled and only lasted as long as the demonstration before it had to be rechilled.

>>15631110

>>15631142
Between firex and deluge there is gonna be so much white smoke on next launch it will probably obscure it completely

>>15631146
No matter what deluge system you put on it, it won't be obscured.

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1687189721041043456

Are there any Europoors here?

>>15631234
Europeans are generally very weak people. They spend so much time getting raped by government bureaucracy they cant imagine it any other way, and so of course they arent outraged. it's just the way it is

>>15631234
Yes. Europe is completely irrelevant and why the rest of the world keeps playing along with us I don't understand. Basically africa in terms of spaceflight.

>>15631234
European politics is kinda fucked up. There is no debate or discussion on what kind of European policies they want. There is no such thing as the European party coalitions campaigning for anything. People usually vote to punish the ruling party of their country in the European parliament election.

>>15631247
Tell that to the frogs that fight the government at every opportunity. It's weird there aren't more outrage among them when they practically run ESA.

>>15631263
I have been wondering whats going on with Europe, given that there doesn't seem to be any sort of discussion about any of the policy by general public. Are they being managed like cattles/communist in China?

>>15631309
No, it's because Europe is +50 different countries there the vast vast majority of people only give a shit about their own country and its politics and don't give a shit nor feel any type of kinship with other Europeans.

>>15631318
So the European politics is largely disconnected from general public interest and general public do not control the policy direction. Who is controlling it?

>>15631325
Rothschilds and the CIA

>>15631325
>>15631318
>>15631309
>>15631263
Can European politics really be called a democracy at this point?

Serious question. If the pubic participation is non existent, isn't it just a theatre? Even in US, where its a clown show, atleast there's a huge participation show.

>>15631325
((()))

>>15631013
>nuclear thermal propulsion
obsolete, but the superconducting antigravity repulsor beams launching stuff to LEO will be nuclear powered

>>15631325
The vast majority of shit is controlled by the countries themselves. You give EU way too much fucking credit. The EU elections in individual countries are a literal footnotes with garbage vote turnouts because nobody cares and it's mostly irrelevant to the policies of your own country.

The European identity is a fucking meme and doesn't exist in real life. It's fucking retarded that Americans for some reason think it's comparable to the US and its states.

And it's even mlre retarded with shit like ESA which is effectively like 20 individual government with entirely different goals and aspirations trying to somehow cooperate rather than a single governing body. That's how you get messes like pic related.

>>15631057
Since then, US gov has approved multiple companies to pursue Nuclear. I wonder if they're still holding SpaceX back or would they allow SpaceX to enter the nuclear game?

>>15631325
Career politicians who see their own countrys political system as a jumping off point for moving to brussels.
>>15631336
Not really. On paper we vote for the ministers sent there but as another anon mentioned it's basically just a fuck you from the opposition and most positions are bureaucratic and non-elected.

>>15631336
European politics is mostly irrelevant. Domestic politics is what actually matters and is definitely more democratic than American.

>>15631357
EU has huge control of foreign policy and commerce. As well as control over their civil rights, economics.

They can shutdown X (twitter). They can institute EU wide censorship policy without any debate/discussions. They can fine American companies billions just for existing.

>>15631357
lol this shit looks makes sls procurement look like a well oiled machine.

>>15631309
>Are they being managed like cattles/communist in China?
I dunno, are muricans?
>It's very impractical to pull supply chains out of China, says Raytheon CEO Greg Hayes.
https://nitter.net/thouse_opinions/status/1683408517833834496

>>15631263
ESA is in a terrible place, imagine how Artemis would be doing if every US congressman refused funding unless their state got an equal monetary benefit.

>>15631360
Nah the US is going to gatekeep nuclear fuel rods until the day it collapses as a nation, and will only issue approval to “““private””” defense contractors and BO (aka companies with oldspace boomers who essentially bribe congressmen with district jobs)

>>15631373
lmao even
The EU is a sham organization. In terms of foreign politics, it serves the (((globohomo))) interests. In terms of economy, it serves (poorly) German interests, sometimes French. In reality, there's constant infighting about all sorts of rules and regulations, that serve or harm different local governments. The reason it even still exists, is that it is right now a retirement plan for failed local politicians, that then go there and sell out to (((globohomo))) lobbies.

>>15631318
This. Nobody identify themselves as European beyond a few krauts wanting to enslave Europe once again. I have nothing in common with some Italian with an entirely different culture, language and history beyond being located on the same (sub) continent. Makes being apathic towards EU and European politics and projects in general. I certainly don't see ESA as anything to do with my country despite being a member.

>>15631388
How am I supposed to read this graphic

>>15631291
>oooh noooooo i have to retire a couple years later nooooooo
yes when you take away french nigger gibs they do chimp out. too bad their tantrum isnt stopping it whatsoever :)

What the booster doing now?

STAGING

>>>/trash/58465734

>>15631318
God bless America

>>15631449
booster things

>>15631388
>folds paper
>pokes hole through it

NSF saying its not a static fire, so its a static fire

>>15626763
>>15626782
>>15627121
L2 is right once again. I await your mald during the sunday static fire

>>15631357
>It's fucking retarded that Americans for some reason think it's comparable to the US and its states.
I never thought that, but to be fair I'm very smart

>>15631468
The word of NSF is law

>>15631325
You know who.

>>15628742
>The guy laughing in Schiaparelli's second

>>15631480
It will not happen, I am right

speaking of ESA,
brand NEW Hazegrayart kino
https://youtu.be/5VFolmVAuYk

>>15631325
>>15631367
Unelected bureaucrats actually. The career politicians you talk about are just the front for them.

>>15626293
You think Musk assembled a team to work on replication or you think he's mostly ignoring it?

>>15631392
If ESA was subsumed by the EU it would be different matter. That ain't happening though.

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/space-station-assignments-out-for-nasa-s-spacex-crew-8-mission
Crew-8
>NASA astronauts Commander Matthew Dominick, Pilot Michael Barratt, and Mission Specialist Jeanette Epps, along with Roscosmos cosmonaut Mission Specialist Alexander Grebenkin

>>15631529
How come it's so easy to tell which one is Russian?

>>15631529
>3 americans
nice

>>15631542
slav face

>>15631517
The Tesla/SpaceX materials team is probably fucking around with it, but I don't expect them to show anything soon. Probably at a battery day event or something similar.

>spaceflight
https://youtu.be/R8kDsM0M-vg

Varda made the rocks float.

>>15631424
That attitude actually explains a lot about why you're being over run by migrants

>>15631542
Normies dunk on physiognomy like it’s 100% pseudoscience, but it totally has some merit behind it.

>>15631583
>the US fucking up NA and the Middle East for decades, so no possible pipelines
>the US expands NATO east, antagonizing Russia, blowing up Nord Stream pipelines
>the US gets flooded by millions of browns from the south
>hurr durr you are over run
pathetic

>>15631606
dilate

>>15631612
back to /k/ope

>>15631584
It was Thule energy being rediscovered

they should just leave the scaffolding up for spin primes. no need to waste time disassembling and reassembling it.

/sfg/ sovereignty and federalism general

>>15631606
>b-b-but it's the America's fault that I hate my fellow Europeans and Europe as a whole other than my small square

I found out there's a noaa office at my work. what should i do bros? what kind of tomfoolery should i get up to?