/sci/ - Science & Math

omg let's pay more taxes to prevent this from happening

>>15612376
that seems like a fairly likely scenario, especially given that most people don't pay any taxes

how about we bomb the volcano

>>15612282
no link is no.

>>15612376
It's a bit ironic that Sarah Palin, who was the Republic VP nominee, made opposition to volcano monitoring a big part of her platform.

>>15612282
we have to stop the volcanos

>>15614448
>>15614483
>>15613000
geoengineering of tectonic and volcanic forces is a platform i can always get behind

When do we launch a fleet of Titan submersables with a plug?

>>15612282
>hot weather this summer
but there is none of that

>>15612282
The volcano cause global warming.

>>15615493
Get fucked, I'm melting over here, even had to purchase an AC unit.

>>15615828
here in indiana its been a very mild year, nowhere even close to "the hottest ever"
that would be 2012

>>15615886
>that would be 2012
1953 had the most days over 90º in Indiana, 2012 had half as many as 1953

>>15615975
yeah, but the days in 2012 were the hottest

>>15612282
>NASA says
they can say what they want.

>>15615493
hottest summer I can remember in my lifetime (35 years) where I live in Louisiana. Even my boomer parents say it's the hottest they can remember.

>>15612282
tourist here, how does it affect me personally?

>>15617074
Louisiana bro I'm here too and I can't even get in my car without cooling it off first

>>15614448
>made opposition to volcano monitoring a big part of her platform.
what?

>>15612282
https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/tonga-eruption-blasted-unprecedented-amount-of-water-into-stratosphere
that's quite cool, actually.
reminder that water vapour is the n. 1 greenhouse gas by a long shot.

>>15616722
The hottest temperatures ever recoded in Indiana were in 1936, during the dust bowl era. It doesn't get as hot now as it did then because CO2 is effectively a coolant in organic systems, increased availability of CO2 increases the rate at which plants can sequester solar energy, thats why high CO2 levels instigate ice ages.

>>15614483
we must enforce a footstep tax to minimize earthquake tremors!

When will they tell us that the earth is still feeling the effects of Krakatoa? Or better yet when will they blame the Chicxulub impact site for the weather?

>>15619260
Yeah, NASA is full of shit, you can't trust anything they say, they're so stupid they can't even avoid accidentally destroying their own space probes

>>15618227
You can keep repeating this nonsense, that won’t make it true

>>15620675
it already is objectively true

>>15612282
>NASA anything
>gobble it up
classic sci golems

>>15620675
And how are your space probes faring?
Oh, I forgot, you don't have any.

>>15622822
My family is literally a space power. There is a shitty MSP-430 power micro sat with my name on it in orbit over your head as we speak.

>>15621485
>ITS A CONSPIRACY!!!
>DA GUBMINT IS OUT TO GET ME!!!
shut up and trust the science, brainlet

>>15622830
Cool story.

>>15622830
Oh shit
Sorry, anon, I meant no disrespect.

>>15612282
earth is brapping

>>15612282
i've been saying this ever since the really unseasonable weather here in australia started. and people thought "nahh too simple", i keep having my simple answers vindicated.

>>15622925
i should add, i don't believe it's the reason for the insaneo crazy house weather in the northern hemisphere though.

>>15617074
>>15617087
Also Louisiana, wtf how can one state be so overrepresented on 4channel

>>15623027
theres millions of people here

The highest temperature Louisiana has ever seen occurred on August 10, 1936. On that day, people in Plain Dealing, Louisiana, experienced temperatures up to 114°F, breaking the state record that was set in Dodson, Louisiana on June 20, 1936. August 1936 was the hottest month in Louisiana history, June 1936 the 2nd hottest.

>>15612282
>not global warming,
show quote

>>15623360
wow lasted for 90 minutes. bfd.
Today, 112F has lasted for 30 days

>>15623409
what part of louisiana because the weather forecasts i'm looking at show you all just skirting around upper 90s/100, nothing close to 112

>>15623398
Global warming means man made anthropogenic global warming and the volcano is not man made or the result of human activity.

>>15614483
I think based

>>15623501
so? where does it say that the volcano alone did it?

>>15623562
In the headline where it quotes nasa as saying that the volcano is what is likely responsible for the current heat wave.

>>15623573
that's just a little molehill on top of a mountain
lrn2math

>>15623900
No, volcanoes can release more greenhouse gas in a single eruption than the entire human population releases in a decade.

>>15612994
and that's a good thing

>>15623925
>can
Do they, though?

>>15623983
They have yes, that is how we know they can.

>>15623995
>They have
In modern times? Could you compare modern anthropogenic emissions with modern volcanic emissions?

>>15612282

Imagine trusting freelance content creator "journalists" on NewsBreak who gets paid per click and share.

Here's the thing this clickbait article discusses:

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2022/flood-basalts-may-warm-climate

NASA did a simulation that mega eruptions may affect climate. They're not saying that volcanoes is the leading reason. This content creator just knows that there's a tonne of idiots who'll give him money and attention and won't even read the article but just look at his shitty title.

>>15624018
nigga normal volcanoes can melt an entire mountain
yellowstone can fuck the entire globe

It seems like you're underestimating nature

>>15624112
Strip mining to get fossil fuels takes out a mountain every other day.

>>15624112
Ah okay, so it's just the 1-in-50k-year eruptions that are comparable with anthropogenic emissions? Thanks for clarifying.

>>15624260
When was the last year there was a 1-in-50k-year eruption?

To me if feels like the actual intensity of the sun has increased. I get sunburned walking to my car

>>15624275
Sounds like an interesting research subject. In the meantime, I'm glad we agree that typical volcanic emissions are dwarfed by anthropogenic activity.

>>15624279
How many regular volcano eruptions does it take to equal a -in-50k-year eruption and are volcanoes the only natural source of greenhouse gasses?

>>15624284
Happy to respond after I've received an answer to >>15624018 (me).

>>15624292
Over 20 million tons of sulfur dioxide was release by Mount Pinatubo in 1991 and humans currently release about 1.8 tons annually, so it would take over 11 years for humans to match the amount released by one volcano.

>>15624311
Sulfur dioxide is not a greenhouse gas and the discussion was about GHGs (see >>15623925). Try again.

>>15624325
Yes it is, that is a bad attempt at dodging the question.
https://ghginstitute.org/2010/06/15/what-are-greenhouse-gases/

>>15615493
this summer is pretty mild compared to last 2 years summers here in italy

>>15624330
I agree, you're dodging the question about GHG emissions.
I do not dispute SO2's cooling effect.

>>15615493
yep, still haven't even seen 90º yet this summer

>>15623925
They don’t

>>15624284
>are volcanoes the only natural source of greenhouse gasses?
Water vapor is the only significant greenhouse gas in our atmosphere, water vapor accounts for over 99% of the greenhouse effect on Earth. CO2 is not meaningful as a greenhouse gas, if it were then Mars would have a massive greenhouse effect because Mars has over 2000% more CO2 per unit surface area, but Mars has no measurable greenhouse effect. Mars also has no water vapor in it's atmosphere, Earth has a lot of water vapor in it's atmosphere, which is why Earth has a greenhouse effect and Mars does not

>>15612994
>most people don't pay any taxes
Not everyone's a NEET like (You), anon.
Also keep in mind he said "people" before you go on explaining certain continents and places.

>>15620675
Atleast make an effort to refute what he said with facts instead of kvetching.

>>15627407
It’s been shown to him time to time, there’s no need to keep repeating the same responses.
The greenhouse effect happens in the atmosphere where it’s directly measured and has little to do plants
>>15627063
Same shot with this, people have posted the spectra from the Martian atmosphere and he keeps repeating the same falsehood that there’s no greenhouse effect on Mars

>>15627063

>>15612282
It's just both...

>>15627936
mars has no greenhouse effect

>>15623419

>>15627936
He's a pathological liar. Or he enjoys shitty bait. Can't tell which is it.

>>15633164
>no links
>no dates

>>15617126
found the oil shill.

>>15633396
there's not enough oil on earth for the shit climate schizos believe in to ever be real

>>15633442

>>15627945
every molecule and atom has an absorption and emission spectrum, so what?

>>15634059
Some of them have funky spectra that make them not behave like pure blackbodies, creating an asymmetry in the amount of absorbed and emitted radiation at the temperature that would be otherwise a point of equilibrium.
Which is exactly what "greenhouse effect" of a gas is.

>>15634999
Theres no such thing as a pure blackbody emitter, the blackbody is fantasy that only exists statistical mechanics. Planck's formula is plainly wrong because it includes no term of the microwave background radiation thats overlaid onto everything in this universe. the microwave background radiation itself is the only thing that exists which could ever match planck's blackbody formula closely

>>15637187
Ok? What are you even arguing against?

>>15627936
>CO2 output of humanity growing exponentially
>CO2 in atmosphere growing linearly
care to explain that?
care to explain how you know the increase in CO2 isn't due to varying input having a delayed effect on CO2 uptake?

>>15638303
>CO2 output of humanity growing exponentially
Not him but that hardly looks exponential.

>>15612282
>volcanos, not global warming
They're clearly stating that volcanoes are causing global warming.

>>15623501
>>Global warming means man made anthropogenic global warming
No it doesn't. Global warming means globe gets warmer. "man made anthropogenic global warming" means men made the globe get warmer.

>>15624311
>humans currently release about 1.8 tons annually,
1.8 tons, globally per year? That number doesn't pass the sniff test. Are you actually retarded?

>>15614066
Because a link would reveal that the articles is very clearly talking about Atlantic sea level temperatures being above what even global warming predicts and is not talking about all global warming.

>>15638694
He's being retarded. He means 1.8 million tons. That number used to be 31 million tons in 1970. So clearly we are capable of emitting more than 1 volcano eruption a year, we just choose not to.

>>15627063
>Water vapor is the only significant greenhouse gas in our atmosphere, water vapor accounts for over 99% of the greenhouse effect on Earth.
so? this doesnt mean co2 cant affect climate through the greenhouse effect since its the increase in the effect that increases temperature not the percentage of the total effect that co2 causes. 99% of the effect is from water but >99.9% of the effect is just keeping earth at its current temp

>>15638796
Not only that but the amount of water vapor is affected by temperature so it amplifies the effect of anything that influences global temperature.

How has it been for you anons, in my town (in Finland), we had two days above 25C (actually the second day is forecasted for tomorrow)

>>15638974
I'm from Canada and we've had weeks straight of 35 or hotter, I have never seen anything like it in my life. I'm used to it being 20-25 during the summers and it's been consistently above 30 more than half the summer.

>>15615493
It's been regularly 90+ here in the Midwest

>>15638796
CO2 is not meaningful as a greenhouse gas, if it were then Mars would have a massive greenhouse effect because Mars has over 2000% more CO2 per unit surface area, but Mars has no measurable greenhouse effect, therefore CO2 cannot be a greenhouse gas

>>15614585
Dangerously based

>>15639956
no it hasn't
t. iowa

>>15612376
What we really need is to set up a global speculation market for volcanic gas credits and require all white countries to buy in.

>>15640553
we had one 104 day in des moines a few weeks ago. Rest of the summer has been reasonably cool though, with lots of 75° days and 95°being tops. Overall a moderate summer. Barring that one day I haven't been uncomfortable.

But unlike most Iowans I'm /fit/, not covered in 40 extra lbs of lard.

Jesus fuck these human belugas keep the AC cranked up. They should all summer in the Arctic.

>>15640015
>receives a fraction of sunlight
>has no real atmosphere to retain heat
Martian atmosphere causes a small greenhouse effect as expected. What are you even on about.
Also what defines whether a gas is a greenhouse has is its absorbance spectrum.

>>15640773
>Martian atmosphere causes a small greenhouse effect as expected
it does not, the measured average surface temperature of mars is less than the calculated thermodynamic equilibrium temperature

Look at all of the """global warming"""" experts who think they're smarter than NASA.
NASA says volcanoes are responsible for hot weather, not """"global warming"""".

>>15612282
Main contributions to the massive spike are that volcano, el nino, and the North Atlantic shipping area has massively reduced sulfur emissions over the last few years since picrel came in. Two of those should return to baseline over the next couple years but the baseline keeps moving up.

>>15642547
Greta and her ilk are too dumb to understand thermodynamics, thats the kind of ignorance that powers their belief in global warming

>>15645403
So these regulations inadvertently caused the planet to get warmer? Kek
https://youtu.be/dk8pwE3IByg?t=85

>>15640630
I'm an Omahan going through the same thing.
There's not been one day this summer where I thought "Damn I wish it was December"

>>15612282
I am not a climate scientist so correct me if I am wrong, but I am pretty sure the sun causes hot weather in the summer.

>>15638504
>>15638303
Are you referring to CO2 accumulation in the atmosphere or human emissions

>>15640630
Still waiting for the first day over 90º here, weather forecast says we'll be getting it next week. We normally have 25 days over 90º every summer.
t. Oregon

>>15615493
>I can't understand the concept of local temperature and global temperature

>>15647096
oddly my state is in a bubble of cooler tempertures surrounded by hottness. Lucky i guess?
Usually around this time its in the 90s or 100s. Been only in the 80s this year.

>>15622830
I'm on the other side of the world from wherever you thought u was so actually its under my butt, idiot

>>15612282
and what is causing the volcano? global warming!
checkmate you fucking chuds

>>15647096
>the global warming institute
surely a completely unbiased and totally honest source of information

>>15647177
>no the website that compiles satellite observations has global warming in the name so that means the data is fake :(

>>15622830
Oh shit
Sorry anon, I meant no disrespect.

>>15624204
>Strip mining to get fossil fuels takes out a mountain every other day.
why is /sci/ the stupidest board?

>>15647096
>flyover state chads enjoying cooler than average summer, even as coastal faggots and the southern nigger/spic hordes are cooked alive

>>15614448
She literally did the opposite. It was Jindal who was whining about volcano-monitoring and Palin who slammed him into political oblivion.

>>15638796
CO2 is so bad at warming the planet they are now blaming cow farts, and morons like you still believe that shit.

>>15647303

>>15612282
I think the volcano god won't stop until we deliver a Caucasian female virgin as a sacrifice...

... we are doomed, science bros.

>>15612282
what about previous summer, genius? WW2 shipwrecks didn't come out of the water before that.

>>15647555
>morons like you still believe
its irrational to expect morons to behave intelligently

It's hot...
during summer?

>>15649944
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Oppenheimer

>>15612282
25 EXXON coins has been deposited in your account.

>>15652159

>>15649944
Yes see we changed the colors to point that out chud

>>15647191
correct, the people who work there would all lose their jobs if they didn't find that global warming is real, so they will always use motivated reasoning to find that global warming is real because they have a financial incentive to do so

Its the coolest and rainiest summer in recent memory. Probably el nino shit

>>15653831
global warming is fake af

>>15655378
this