/sci/ - Science & Math

First for KL99 bloomer

Zubrin

Musk

Shelby

Von Neumann

Tory

Wernher Van Braun

There's a Super Moon tonight, and there's going to be another super moon on the 30th of August. A blue super moon is already a rare event, but for the first full moon to also be super is extraordinary. The next time there will be 2 super moons in the same month isn't until 2037.

Šuppiluliumas

TIRE ASSAULT VEHICLE

Which of these animals would thrive the most if we dropped it off on the lunar surface? my money is on the moth, I think the whole moon would be covered in them in a few short years.

>>15617552
Moon Moth is a reserved name for Solar Moth spacecraft making the LEO-LLO shuttle run.

>>15617505
can we please keep it spacefl-
>blue meatball
:O
lmao wtf

>>15617505
But it's clearly tracked.

in case u missed it
https://youtu.be/vmvxG6_uOK4

>>15617583
it's for ASSAULTING TIRES

>>15617569
>he doesn't know

>>15617587
Kinda bizarre that the last gasp of Ukranian spaceflight is on an American spacecraft

I've finally made it back from wallops. The traffic was a fucking mess. Video is processing right now.

>>15617642
Video is done. Got it through my telescope, really happy with it considering I had no idea where the rocket was going to appear. I was lucky and it was just in frame. I have some more of my trying to hand track it in the sky, but it's not worth uploading.

>>15617497
Fucking bat niggers went apeshit last night could not catch sleep until 3am. Hate supermoons and hate flying rats.

>>15617505
is this what she used to drill a hole in the Soyuz?!

>>15617497
just took a picture with my shitty phone cam, it came out alright

https://www.space.com/august-supermoon-sturgeon-full-moon
>A supermoon happens when the moon is both in the full moon phase of its 29.5-day lunar cycle and when it is around its perigee. This means the official term for a supermoon is a "perigean full moon." For a supermoon to occur, the moon doesn't have to be exactly its closest to Earth, however.

anyone else /moonwatch/ here?

>>15617662
excellent OC anon, I wish I could say I've seen a rogget launch

>>15617715
We /moonwatch/ here

>>15617751
>can't see any footprints
hhmmmmmmm

>>15617662
looks like kaiju found footage

>>15617662
Excellent work anon, you did great considering the resources at hand

>copernican system
gross
>Ptolemaic system
yikes
>Tychonic system
IT FUCKS

How will KL99 revolutionize space industry?

>>15617812
it weeds out the pseuds who supported it so we can bar them from working in the space industry and fucking something up

>>15617812
Lightweight superconducting magnets mean lightweight fusion power which when coupled to superconducting plasma magnet sails and QI drives gives us interstellar spacecraft with charged particle shields.

>>15617812
Fusion rockets no longer being memes

>>15617812
It's LK99

>>15617751
ah hell someone accidentally aimed the Mercury PROCSIMA array at the moon for a second
hope nobody saw that

nuke the moon

>>15617409
Did they test the ring already? I've been staring at aviation charts and learning how to do flight plans and tragically unable to shitpost.

go the fuck to bed Scott https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCaiomF_4jA

>>15617819
blunderfag00t said it was fake, that means it's real

>>15618041
oh fuck you're right
...well, I mean sometimes he does go for the easy 'debunks' like solar roadways.

LK-99 is a chink scam and is not real

>>15618128
Its real but the maximum for superconductivity is a suuuuper low amperage which means all the really cool shit is ruled out and we just get some kinds of better computers and transmitter/receiver antennae. The real hope is thay they can figure out and leverage whatever the fuck makes it tick into a whole line of superconductors with better amp carrying properties.

>>15618241
Mr. Science Man, I am Mr. Business Man. Would you speculate in your expert opinion that Au/Ag doped LK-99 instead of Cu doped LK-99 would allow higher amps to flow through it?

I am after financial advice, yes.

>>15618230
Why not use that same Starship + Falcon Heavy for Moon missions? Fuck SLS and Gateway.

>>15617409
Did Elon actually re-appropriate metal from SpaceX to make his fucking stupid X sign?

>>15618352
Yup, it's scrap from SN15. Texas steel sent to California to terrorize the gays.

t. L2 paypiggy

>>15618352
holy based

>>15618402
lmao

>>15617934
nah

>>15618128
Nobody believes in the Korean semiconductor scam on /sci/ besides the cryptofag spammers

https://twitter.com/Yrouel86/status/1686655255986278400

> NASA's concept for a Starship based crewed Near-Earth Asteroid mission:

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20230003852/downloads/NEA_HSF_2023_PDC.pdf

>>15617812
superconductor > easier magnetic confinement of plasma > fusion > fusion drives > solar system colonization

>>15618788
Its a great time to no longer be a neet.

>>15618784
>> NASA's concept for a

Didn't read any further

>>15618811
the important part here is that they even look at starship, previously it has seemed like its basically a forbidden word or something
even with respect to HLS

>>15618784
Pretty cool except dragon should obviously linger in HEO.
There's no reason to have two.

>>15618784
Someone fire these useless mission profile boomers

>>15618784
>Dragon on Heavy
I guess astronaut paste counts as crew.
>sustained 6G acceleration

>>15618883
Dilate and drink borax frail tiktok zoomer.
>>15618839
I like those diagrams

/sfg/ is dead

>>15618912
LK99 killed it

>>15618883
drink milk, you are weak

https://spacenews.com/virgin-galactic-forecasts-limited-revenues-from-initial-commercial-flights/

its over

>>15617812
Rockets to LEO will become obsolete

>downgrading US debt
>while being US company
>while having US employees
>with US heads
>on US necks

>>15618918
I really hope they manage to start flying, my life savings depends on it.

>>15618918
tick tock branson.
soon the commieprop news will only be able to put "musk and bezos" in their headlines

>>15617934
>>15618579
it has rolled to massey's. will be tested soon

>>15618938
The billionaire space race. You have no idea how many cringe political cartoons have been made over the last 15 years. must be hundreds

>>15617812
Chemicals rockets become obsolete for anything in LEO or above

>>15618921
lmao we just float up

>>15618961
no

>>15618969
there's a catch
>The Earth's magnetic north pole is racing towards Siberia—and it is following an "unusual" and historically unprecedented path on its way. Experts told Newsweek that the pole could reach the vast Russian region as soon as the middle of the century.
I guess you could do it from Antarctica instead

>>15617812
It depends on the critical current and magnetic field. It could just be a curiosity without any applications, even if it actually is a superconductor.

>>15618784
>>15618918
The earth is flat and stationary with a dome. They are never ever leaving this enclosed plane alive, and neither are you sciencegoys.
CGI is all you get in this life and if you are vaxxed, I know many of you here are well boosted, then the Mars landings will be livestreamed straight into your vaxxed brain.
Also with the latest Neurolink brain processor you'll be able to watch multiple landings at the same time, with the same bitrate and no loss in quality experience.

>>15618912
shut up yuropoor, burgers are sleeping

>>15617812
You crossboarders already spammed 90% of this board. Fuck off.

>aerospace
why doesnt anyone use this term anymore? why has spaceflight replaced it when spaceflight really only covers getting things into space.

>>15617505
>NASA keeping to its nazi roots by using a King Tiger chassis

>>15619160
because this is a thread about spaceflight and not aerospace in general
rockets, not planes

>>15617642
techpriests?

>>15619160
Fighter jets are no longer hip and sexy anymore. All the cool shit is to do with space now.

>>15617662
Decided to upload my flight footage for the rocket sounds. (ignore the mexicans)
>>>/wsg/5209313

>>15619179
F-35 is sexy

Manned Falcon Heavy is coming

>>15618784
autism (the bad kind)

>>15618883
6G is nothing for pilots

>>15619202
I fucking hate the MIC, but then I’ll catch top gun on cable and immediately bend the knee to defense contractors

>>15619296
>I fucking hate locksnee-
>HOLY SHIT IT’S AN F-22, GO GETTEM’ TIGER
If only they were still competent in space tech

>>15619300
what if they're just pretending to suck? I mean it's not like lockheed is infamous for acting out-of-touch while secretly having black-book skunkworks projects that make tinfoil hat schizos seem reasonable

>>15619371
I don’t think they’re pretending, I think it’s more of a NASA problem. Lockheed made this okayish capsule (Orion) like TWENTY years ago, then NASA said “oh by the way we are canceling Constellation-Ares, buuuut we like your capsule” so LM essentially got paid to keep it on the backburner for a long time and reap in money with no incentive to make it better

roscosmos in talks to gain access to African launch site near the Equator!
https://www.oreanda-news.com/en/nauka_i_tehnika/roscosmos-is-discussing-with-equatorial-african-countries-the-provision-of-launch-/article1483344/

>>15619399
how about finishing Vostochny first

>>15619300
Hey at least Orion works, even if it only flies every other year thats better than you can say for boeing.

>>15619399
aint no way

>>15619399
Don't they have to worry about a potential Nord Stream situation there?

>>15619448
maybe, but apes together strong

>>15619012
Notice how no one ever responds to you? It’s not funny. Now have a hilariously translated dvach post that applies to you

>>15619399
aww, did the widdle snownigguwus get banny-wannied fwom kowroo? no mowe ekwatowiuw wawnches fwom fwench guianaw?

At the rate russia's going, they will get kicked out of fucking kazakhstan entirely before breaking any ground in africa. I wonder if roscosmos will even exist by 2030

>>15619371
pretending to be retarded is still being retarded

>>15619399
>African launch site
I would be okay with more tired Russians in this world.

>>15619525
don't respond to the /sci/zos, newfriend

>>15619546
I feel like I’m going insane. I swear to God almighty I saw Katya or Anatoly or Cosmic Penguin or someone talk about how Khazakstan greenlit Soyuz 5 infrastructure, but now I can’t find any source. Maybe it appeared to me in a dream lol
I might just DM Katya and ask her but I have social anxiety and don’t want to talk to a random person out of the blue lol

>>15619577
Okay yeah I searched every key word I can think of and all I can find is Kazakstan delaying it indefinitely because of le war. So I think i’m just imagining things

>>15619584
I thought they seized all the soyuz-5 infrastructure because of nonpayment.

>>15619584
Kazakhstan delayed it indefinitely because Russia refused to pay their part of the bill.

>>15619616
According to wikipedia some pockocmoc subsidiary failed to issue about $30 mil USD for an environmental assessment. I’m sure all that money is lining russian pockets
Kazakhs are probably beyond tired of this shit, hence why they decided to just seize all the ground assets

Russia starts and finishes a new launch complex challenge [IMPOSSIBLE!]

Kino. No more Lockheed inflatable bullshit. Nice solid metal.

>>15619668
>probably
They outright stated it.

>>15619684
A MOOOOODULE
IM MOOOOODULATING

>>15619399
Might be the best chance for the Soyuz-5 actually getting a launch site. Still not going to be done in less than a decade.

>>15619707
consume module and get excited for next module

>>15617751
Why isn't there a livestream of moon/planets? Like literally, just a livestream that tracks the moon and has it zoomed in like that.

Telescope zoom + camera zoom + internet?

>>15619833
Some of us actually go outside and look at it with our own eyes lol

>>15619684
Airbus should just build a manned capsule.

>>15619839
I understand. But I'm saying 99.9999% of the world do not, so there's absolutely a market for livestream astronomy. There must be some hobbyist that know how to use the internet right?

>>15619847
They own 50% of ArianeGroup, which could be making Susie.

>>15619850
The moon doesn't do very much bro. It just sits there

>>15619869
>Manufacturer
>Arianegroup
>which could be making Susie
No worries, then. The important word here is "could", because they won't. They can't even finish an upgrade to their current rocket on time. What makes you think they'll make a crew vehicle when they have no ambitions beyond ten government satellite launches per year?

>>15619880
Ominously. Watching us.

>>15619869
Susie sucks massively.
What problem does it solve?
It's not a second stage so why make a design that pretends like it is one?

>>15619880
we can dream

>>15619888
>They can't even finish an upgrade to their current rocket on time.
The aerospace industry is very rarely on time. Musk said a "meaningful number of people" would be travelling to Mars within 10 years (7 years ago).

>>15619900
Looks at this shit.
Susie means "Smart Upper Stage for Innovative Exploration"
It weighs less than an Orion. How could you possibly pretend that is an upper stage?
I don't understand what this brings to the table that "satellite inside payload fairing" and "crew capsule" respectively don't already do better.
Like why would you make a reusable second stage but it's not a second stage?

>>15619888
>no ambitions beyond ten government satellite launches per year
They already have 18 launches booked for Kuiper... that's already three years booked on the commercial side given they want to alternate institutional and commercial customers iirc.

>>15619383
Twenty years ago and it's still the most advanced crew rated spacecraft ever built. Think about that.
Space is hard.

>>15619950
Orion's weight includes the service module right?
Susie would need a service module too to venture beyond LEO so maybe that's why it's lighter.

>>15619900
>>15619950
What do you mean it’s not a second stage. Because A6 has boosters and a core?

>>15619942
>b-b-b-but moosk man bad!

>>15619950
>It weighs less than an Orion
Does it? I was reading about 25t, so they should be about the same weight.

>>15619986
>What do you mean it’s not a second stage. Because A6 has boosters and a core?
No.
Because Ariane 6 has a second stage with more fuel than all of SUSIE weighs.
It's literally a meme instead of a payload fairing.
I do not understand.

>>15620002
The second stage in question.
SUSIE just replaces the fairing

>>15620002
Oh I see, well then I agree with >>15619979 it might be anemic in order to save mass for an extra service module. Although who is to say whether or not SUSIE has the TPS required for interplanetary reentry in the first place—it might only be able to handle LEO and the shitty capacity is just due to ESA being dumb as we all know it is

>>15620002
Okay well it’s still a second stage/fairing combo. Just a shitty one apparently

>>15620022
Why combine crew and cargo in the first place, this isn’t the 70s. They should have a fleet of like five cargo variants and two crew variants or something

>>15619230
where did you find this

How the fk did they make this decades ago and it's still one of the most efficient engines around?

>>15620027
>Why combine crew and cargo in the first place
You don't
>Intended to replace the payload fairing the total mass would be 25 tons, "...corresponding to Ariane 64’s low Earth orbit (LEO) performance." and capable of carrying 5 astronauts or, in automated cargo configuration, up to 7 tons of payload.

>>15620022
>Okay well it’s still a second stage/fairing combo
No it's a third stage, a kick stage at best.
I guarantee it has comparable delta-v to dragon and orion because it has to save fuel for landing too.

>>15620037
Oh so they’re pretending like they can easily swap it out between crew and cargo mode?
[X]

>>15620036
white men made it in a predominately white society

>>15620048
No, they would probably build a few cargo variants and some crew variants as you suggested.

>>15620016
Here ya go
>ArianeSpace also mentions the possibility of using SUSIE as a lunar transport capsule, given the possibility of adding a service module to the base. There is therefore no shortage of ambitions, but for now no dates have been given for the first tests or for the presentation of the first prototypes.

SUSIE does not save money over putting a satellite in a fairing on top of ariane 6.
It costs more because you're now throwing away everything you were before plus dealing with one more vehicle.
There was no reason for ESA to make this other than brag about how they have a "fully reusable spaceship" just like Starship.

>>15620037
>>15620064
I’m pretty sure the design, as it is right now, is combined crew and cargo

>>15620080
But it can do stuff that a satellite can't do, that's the point.

>>15620080
It saves you the money of needing new fairings and an upper stage with each reuse. And yeah this is probably less important than the boosters below you that you’re expending, but it’s still reuse. And assuming SUSIE becomes real they could always throw it on some future reusable booster
SUSIE isn’t the dumbest idea and I actually kind of like it. It’s way cooler than if they just did a capsule and called it a day

>>15620036
The RL10 is about as big as an expander cycle engine can be. Staged combustion is much harder. That's why the upgrade from clustered RL10s on the S-IVB stage was a single J-2, a gas generator engine. they wanted to replace that with NERVA starting on Apollo 20 but Nixon pussied out.

>>15620122
>It saves you the money of needing new fairings
It certainly costs more than that.
>and an upper stage
NO? It's the same fucking rocket with susie on top. There is no stage saved.
This is the point I'm making. Look at the A6 >>15620013. Now look at it with susie on top >>15619950.
There's boosters, center core, second stage, then susie.

>>15620140
For me it’s the LE-9

>>15620149
Oh shit hahahah you’re right. That is retarded. Wtf I thought the upper stage was eliminated / integrated inside of SUSIE or something. This is retarded they’re literally just complicating the fairing, arguably the least important part of the whole rocket

>>15620149
>>15620163
Dunno why you are finding it weird. It replaces the fairing and the payload, so instead of carrying a satellite inside the fairing, you're carrying a cargo/crew ship.

>>15620163
Integrating the fairing allows retrieval and downmass ops.

>>15618784
NASA's looking at post SLS mission architecture.

>>15620187
Yeah then do it like Neutron. Susie is objectively stupid for carrying payloads and debatably stupid for human spaceflight.
>>15620185
I find it weird that a space agency would build a product that is all downside with no benefit is all.

>>15619448
just somali pirates

>ynwba space pirate
why live?

What would the lifting capacity of the Stratolaunch be if it was upgraded with 6 GE90's?

>>15620185
>It replaces…the payload
What in the fuck do you even mean by that
>>15620187
Yeah okay it has one advantage, but how often are people going and fetching satellites? NASA only did this once with shuttle and it was a fucking primary objective of the space shuttle
I guess it also allows for servicing missions but that’s not enough to redeem it

>>15620223
Six bankruptcy files to orbit upgrade

>>15620223
no less than 500 tons down the runway at which point the center spar snaps in half during rotation.

>>15620223
>Let's see Paul Allen's airlauncher

>>15617806
>missed it by that much

My beloved(s)

The earth is flat and stationary with a dome. They are never ever leaving this enclosed plane alive, and neither are you sciencegoys.
CGI is all you get in this life and if you are vaxxed, I know many of you here are well boosted, then the Mars landings will be livestreamed straight into your vaxxed brain.
Also with the latest Neurolink brain processor you'll be able to watch multiple landings at the same time, with the same bitrate and no loss in quality experience.

>>15620299
Can I get a MiG ID?

>>15620299
*flies in your general direction*

Reminder that the pressure inside the tiny little nozzle channels has to be like 500 bars for raptor to have 300 in the chamber pressure.

>>15620309
MiG-29.

>>15620324
Thanks

>>15619296
>>15619300
The MIC is good

Does anyone have more screenshots from Russian /sfg/

>>15618784
>16 days at near earth asteroid

Does this mean they could be able to land on the asteroid???? And like walk around on it?

>>15620354
Yeah

>>15620354
It’s more of a rendezvous than anything

>>15619684
>hating on inflatables
t. skinwalker

>>15620373
This is the ONLY use of inflatables that is acceptable.

>>15620221
The US Constitution still allows Congress to create privateers. Imagine sailing into Port Canaveral flying the Jolly Roger towing a fucking Soyuz as a prize.

>>15620397
Fuck it let’s rebuild the republic of texas naval fleet and launch out of south padre

Rockets are boring.
How does one actually catalyze an in space economy?

>>15620493
Cheaper rockets

>>15620493
Heavy lift boosters that are reusable and a spacecraft that can facilitate rideshare missions with potentially dozens of individual experiments sent into LEO per launch. Eventually one of the experiments will have a clear path to profitability.

>>15620493
I thought of another one: in-space foundries. Right now it’s cheaper to just mine for raw materials on Earth, even if they are scarce as fuck. It’s too expensive to try and find raw materials and ship them back to earth for processing. If you can process them in-situ you’re looking at huge profit margins

>>15620493
O'Neil had a pretty good plan with the mass production of gigawatt solar power arrays in geostationary orbit, before terrestrial reactor economics killed that idea off. Right now you'd need to discover a miracle product that can only be manufactured in zero gravity.

>>15619230
a falcon heavy rated dragon has been planned for a while, no?

>>15620563
No

>>15620562
Didn’t O’Neill suggest some sort of multi-billion dollar Earth-Moon lagrange colony, and then NASA found it was actually pretty unstable?

>>15620493
I guess the best would be a colony.
Space has an economy because people live there.

https://twitter.com/GAIA_Aerospace/status/1686769625256636417

https://www.gaia-aerospace.com/en/

seems to be some studengroup turned company? not really sure
don't see any hardware

>>15619869
susie baka

How much water does mars need for it to have seas with the same salinity as earth’s? I need to know for mars sharks

>>15620765
Approximately one ocean.

>>15620562
You mean like room temperature superconductors which need enormous hard vacuums and extreme crystal purity to build at industrial scale/yield?

>>15620924
You're coping and fabulating

>>15619942
It's all fake cretin

https://youtu.be/52dVfhgt_T4?t=694
https://youtu.be/eJK1gLHbOxA?t=1136

Extremely low quality

>>15620954
Dirt cheap superconductors are a prerequisite for giving Mars and Venus artificial magnetic fields.

>>15620976
Potentially. They exist already.
But also not the part of the post I was saying you're coping and fabulating in.

>>15620924
It's probably just a meme but it'd be nice to have a clear economic goal for once.

>>15620354
You don't really get gravity on an asteroid. Here are some anchoring concepts. I like the condom one

>>15621064
Anything involving a drill should be thrown out, NASA has shown incompetency with drilling on numerous occasions
The condombag is cool. It was used in all the asteroid redirect concept art before Obama killed it

The great thing about space is also that cryogenic temperatures cost as much as a bit of aluminized teflon held at a distance.
They put special paint on the falcon second stage so that the fuel doesn't freeze.

>>15621080
What is the temperature of a vacuum

>>15621078
>The condombag is cool. It was used in all the asteroid redirect concept art before Obama killed it
Also in the Solar Moth based "robot asteroid prospector" architecture, where concentrated solar provided triple duty as power, heat (needed to melt the water in iceteroids), and water-prop thermal propulsion. The study suggests that a solar moth with water propellant can get about 450 seconds of Isp at 1AU, which is actually better than NASA's current water propellant solid core NTP designs.

https://projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/mining.php#rap

>>15621136
Is the idea to sort of hop from asteroid to asteroid and ISRU fuel? That’s fucking cool

it's over

>>15621136
Obviously made by a schizophrenic.
Too much "moth" and "spider" and "ARbot" for it not to be haunting him at night.

>>15621219
Hahahah

>>15620465
there's already a working pirate ship in south padre

>>15621218
its over for ESGHound

>>15621218
Probably an inhalation hazard but shhhh don’t tell the ESG people. Give em an inch they will drag you for miles

>esa will be the anchor tenant for voyager's station, as nasa will be for CLD
voyager lucked out big time

>>15621154
Yes, that's the idea! Asteroids are big and the dV needed is small (at least for NEAs) so the prospector can ISRU its Earth-return propellant, bag up the rest of the rock to bring home, and still come out well in the black economically. Solar moth / laser-thermal also has very nice "leave the reactor at home" economics for interplanetary transport if you use LH2, but that's still served well by having a fleet of those robot prospectors harvesting asteroids for water. Starship or some big government operated nuclear cruiser can deliver the initial "laser lighthouse" to the orbit of Mars, Ceres, Callisto, etc. along with initial crew and some ice mining equipment to provide depots for return trip propellant, and then you have the framework for an interplanetary economy beyond Earth and Mars without being limited by solar flux density, chemical Isp, or private freighter captains owning large nuclear reactors. You could even use lunar based lasers to lift craft from the lunar surface to LLO and TEI to make moon economics a bit better.

>>15621235
>spinhab
This shit ain't happening.

>>15620465
>>15621225
Texian Navy (aka Revolutionary Navy, First Texas Navy)
>Liberty
>Invincible
>Brutus
>Independence
Navy of the Republic of Texas (Second Texas Navy)
>Potomac
>Zavala
>San Jacinto
>San Antonio
>San Bernard
>Wharton
>Austin
>Archer
>Louisville (aka Striped Pig)

>>15621218
NOOO ITS DESSICATED MARTITE CONCRETE POISON BASICALLY LIKE ASBESTOS BILLIONS MUST DIE FROM SILICOSIS

>>15621239
Oh and of course, like any system that can spare a kilowatt or ten, this pairs super well with plasma magnets.

>>15621265
r/todayilearned how to spell desiccated

>>15621247
its not a spinhab, its the nanoracks station minus the inflatable

>>15617409
Question.
I had a dream which resulted in treating stages as a transmission, like a car.
How genius is this, and what schools am I able to relativistically apply to? Thank you for your time.

>>15621288
I know enough about cars to understand the words but not enough to get the concept of what you are suggesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF571YE0Tmo

>>15621288
>what schools am I able to relativistically apply to?
holy based

https://twitter.com/FelixSchlang/status/1686790587943374848

> Last remnants of SN15.

>>15621288
Stages are more like jerry cans strapped to the back of a jeep or motorcycle. A transmission requires switching between gears at will. There are engines that can sort of do this by trading thrust and Isp for constant output power, but I don't think that's what you meant.

>>15621288
Your word salad might qualify you for antipsychotics.

>>15621311
hotstaging ring at the test stand at Masseys

>>15621288
Apply to youtube search and look up how transmissions work and how different rocket staging systems work.

>>15621406
When did they even add the top ring?
That wasn't in the pictures.

When will the hot-staging ring be tested and put on B9 bros I'm getting bored waiting for this static fire

>>15621406
still a small patch of land not owned by Spacex, so they will build the factory around it lmao

>>15621288
based rd704 enjoyer

The earth is flat and stationary with a dome. They are never ever leaving this enclosed plane alive, and neither are you sciencegoys.
CGI is all you get in this life and if you are vaxxed, I know many of you here are well boosted, then the Mars landings will be livestreamed straight into your vaxxed brain.
Also with the latest Neurolink brain processor you'll be able to watch multiple landings at the same time, with the same bitrate and no loss in quality experience.

Wow someone's evading

>>15621444
The absolute state of boomers.

>>15621232
Beach sand is way too coarse to be a breathing hazard.

>>15621510
waiting for a payday I guess
but Musk is pragmatic, probably doesn't give a fuck and won't budge
if it doesn't affect operations too much, who cares?

How will room temperature superconductors enable us to build warp drives?

>>15621624
two more xeets

>>15621624
They won't, directly. They will at least make spaceborne fusion power outside of a star feasible, which gets us into the correct realm of power supply.

>>15621419
That's a test section, not B9, they put it on and sent it out to the "can crusher" at Massey's a couple of days ago.

>>15621663
Yes I know. But what I'm saying is I didn't see them put on the top ring. Here >>15617409 it's without

>>15621667
Oh I think they're actually sleeving it on at massey's right as this >>15621406 was taken.

>>15617662
>>15619199
God I wish I lived there

>>15621510
they know what they got
>>15621667
I know I saw it described the other day that the ring had staging adaptors on both ends. I presumed the one on the top was simulating the bottom of SS, and the one on the bottom was to attach it to B for the test without having to weld it on first.

>>15621624
build better particle accelerators to find new physics to invent a warp drive (or more likely conclusively prove it isn't possible)

I adore the V2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5PqMgWbZvg

I wanted to get a job in the space industry as a teen but pussied out and chose an entirely different field. Didn't even try anything and its eating at me all the time
Does anyone itt work in the space industry?

>>15621667

>>15621702
https://youtu.be/EgiMu8A3pi0
check out this channel, amazing info and very in depth. currently going through his videos myself

>>15621702
I could listen to WvB recordings for the rest of my life and not get bored once. I wish I could have met him in real life, I would hound him with questions and 4ASS ideas

>>15621705
We can't answer that, the space industry is a very small world

But in aggregate yes, industry professionals shitpost here even when it's not advisable. We had a dude at Astra giving us the straight dope before he left for greener pastures for example

>>15621702
>But he (Hitler) got interested after we made our presentation
>…and he got so interested he jumped up! Away from the models, towards us: and asked questions
>It was the complete change of a man!
So fascinating

>>15621761
Yeah these are great. Thanks!

>>15621218
Holy shit, this could bring spacex to their knees if confirmed

>>15620976
cooling things down to liquid nitrogen temp. is nbd at Mars as long as you have a sunshield so LK-99 isn't needed

>>15621444
In about a year, when the factory is done, this will be posted to Xitter and Reddit and YouTubers will make videos about it. Something like "Some landowners would not be bullied by Felon Musk into selling their beachfront property so he had to build around them. Owned!"

>>15621857
>OK so hear me out, instead of an airlock, we dig a U bend into the habitat and fill it with piss

>>15622131
Existing superconductors are also expensive on materials cost.

>>15622142
>beachfront

>>15622184
I don't understand where the criticism is coming from. Is the contention that they should be doing something else with their money other than investing in the future of humanity?

>>15622197
If you aren't directly handing your fortune away to niggers you are evil.

>>15622197
they have small peepee xD

>>15622201

>>15622197
Yes, they think space is a waste of money

>>15622208
Missing a major player

>>15622200

>>15622184
>>15622201
Just Boomers doing Boomer things.
They have nothing interesting to say, so they revert to a basic hate of non jewish rich people and mix it with low brow humor.

>>15622201
Boomers piss and shit themselves laughing at this?

>>15622197
From a certain perspective it is the height of hubris to believe that what you're doing is the future of humanity

Oldspace doomers see space as a colossal waste of money, and (as illustrated) just a dick waving exercise that was previously an exclusive club for nations.

>>15622220
>so small you can barely read it
>watermarks
why

>>15622220
Okay no fucking way this is real—this isn’t even a “joke,” it’s a completely stupid political position laid out on the nose with no subtlety whatsoever

>>15622226
>Boomers piss and shit themselves
yes because they're old

>>15622201
>>15622220
Why, in all of these comics, is it okay for aliens to have cool saucer tech yet they are criticizing earthlings for trying to catch up?
I think it’s the gatekeeping aliens that are the problem here

>>15622241
kek, valid interpretation

>>15622240
I remember this everytime I read zubrin xeets. makes me sad, i dont want to get old and act 10x more retarded than normal

>>15622220

>>15622241
Everyone knows that you can't colonize space with our caveman chemical rockets. You need antigravity and FTL travel to make space travel practical.

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20205008159/downloads/2020_ASCEND_Presentation_ID%233415440_final%233.pdf

>>15622263
>NEP for a LEO station
fucking why

Realistically how small/cheap of a rocket can lift dreamchaser into orbit and have it dock with a space station?

>>15622277
F9 or Atlas V or Vulcan. It's pretty chubby.

>>15622277
However cheap starship will be

New small launch company dropped with... PROPANE

https://twitter.com/GAIA_Aerospace/status/1686769625256636417?s=20

>>15622303
taste the meat

>>15622208
Elon's piss should be coming back around on the other side and then landing on Bezos.

>>15622303
I sell rockets and rocket accessories

>>15622303
It's HABBENING

>>15622258
thanks my dad will love this

>>15622260
>>15622241
If we just wait patiently, FTL technology will spring into existence. only then can we explore the heavens in good conscience

>Jeff trying to acquire Ball Aerospace
This is his master plan? Just buy all the competition out? Horizontal integration won’t help you if you’re not even focused on getting to orbit lmao

>>15622340
>BO acquiring the people who made the James Webb mirror

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>15622340
BLUE BALL

>>15622326
Well, Gaia is a German operation, so probably not.

>>15622348
KEK

>>15622326
Also it's supposed to be air-launched so it really looks like they're just going for meme bingo.

>>15622348
lmao

>>15618075
People often cite the Solar Roadways video as one of his good ones, but as the first of his videos I watched it actually already made me sceptical of his scepticism back in the day because he did stupid shit like scratch his coffee maker can with a stone and claim that the same would happen to the tiles from stones rubbed on them by tires as if scratch-resistant glass didn't exist. Sure you could argue that it's just a analogy for the higher forces involved but you don't know for sure whether strengthened glass could withstand those forces, that's exactly the kind of improperly supported reasoning he does in his Musk videos. There might have been more in the video (and also good points I think), but that's what I always remember and it made me doubt his sincerity because who the fuck compares his coffee can with high-strength glass?

>>15622340
fuck me. what's your source?

>>15622379
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1686862326073356288

>>15618230
>NASA publishing mission profile that goes interplanetary and does not include SLS nor Orion
bros??????

>>15622340
https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/pe-firms-defense-companies-vie-ball-corps-aerospace-unit-sources-2023-07-07/
For people unaware that Ball is up for sale

They've probably got valid financial reasons for this but not having to put up with government regulations for defense contractors has got to be a very huge factor. It --REALLY-- discourages defense contractors to have any other business interests

>>15622241
It’s a pretty straightforward manipulation tactic you see all the time
>how can you be spending {time/money/resources} on {thing} while {unrelated bad thing} is happening
The only way to win is to ignore it, because after climate change it’ll be US healthcare or starving kids in africa or the existence of billionaires and you’ll never be allowed to build rockets.

>>15622399
>The only way to win is to ignore it,
or to drop roggs on the people spouting it

>>15622184
Freudianism and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

>>15621085
Depends on the temperature of the walls radiating heat back on you. In space there aren't any walls, so as long as you're not in sunlight you're free to radiate away pretty much all your heat, making *that* vacuum extremely "cold".

>>15621519

A falcon 1 blew up on this day in 2008. Among the payloads lost were some simple science experiments from NASA and the Missile Defense Agency, and a solar sail built by Ames

>>15622567
Solar sails just can't ever get that win

>>15621284
To bad the Cyclone 4m wet lab with Nano racks won't likely work out now.

>>15622567
Elon Musk confirmed for failure and a fraud. SpaceX will never fly Falcon 1. Mark my words. SpaceX will bankrupt any moment now

>>15622671
Realistically, how can they possibly recover from this?

https://youtu.be/fRiItYUF2Ow
well? do they?

>>15622896
Damn I haven’t watched a godier video in like 5 years. I don’t want to tarnish his name if his innocent but I’m pretty sure I stopped watching after he went on a full-blown TDR rampage

>>15622914
*TDS, I meant
>>15622427
Oh lol I was asking as a joke but I appreciate the sincere answer :)

>>15622914
>TDR rampage
whats that

What would an American UR-700 look like during the space race?

>>15622922
Sorry I’m pretty deep into my bottle of stolichnaya right now. Re-read it as ‘trump derangement syndrome tirade”
And again, I can’t remember if that actually happened or not. I just remember I used to watch godier videos religiously but at some point I was like “hmmmm this is popsoi and cringe”

>>15622928
The Saturn I. Only instead of the tanks being temporary they were considered a feature, and you could then dial a rocket by strapping on more.

Assuming we get a foothold on Mars with either a SpaceX, NASA, and/or Bugman led colony, what would be the longer term goals of mankind on the red planet?

>>15622896
No, there have been several expeditions to the island. The British in 1890s, several cultural experts trying to establish communication and several wrecks. They have either been attacked or took the shit they were given, and mounted several heads on pikes. They have clearly said “Fuck off” to the outside world

>>15622928
A very strange yet ambitious multi-core Titan design

So how’s the payload door going to work

>>15622966
Economic independence and planet wide colonization. Make mars a sovereign nation and it’s perfect for exploiting the nearby asteroid belt if factories and shipyards can be established.
Terraforming would also be a long term societal goal much like manifest destiny

>>15622975
I expect it won't clamshell like that, someone was in here ranting about how it wasn't structurally sound

I bet it'll be hinged on one side with crazy clamps on the other

>>15622975
like shuttle doors

>>15622966
space mormonism

>>15622975

>>15622966
Offsite backups of civilization and self reliance. Mars is the Foundation.

>>15622975
it will open to allow payload to be loaded and unloaded

>>15622975
The payload bay screws off the tanks like a bottle cap

oi play this and report back https://stefanom.org/spc/

>>15623089
Ok

>>15622896
This video is super low effort and working backwards from the conclusion.
Indian made contact and gifted them coconuts. It's all on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAHsH0gIKYY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3FyWHY7l7o
T-60:00

SpaceX is targeting Thursday, August 3 for Falcon 9’s launch of the Intelsat G-37 mission to a geosynchronous transfer orbit from Space Launch Complex 40 (SLC-40) at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station in Florida. The two-hour launch window opens at 12:15 a.m. ET (04:15 UTC). If needed, a backup opportunity is available Friday, August 4 with the same window.

The first stage booster supporting this mission previously launched Crew-5, GPS III-6, Inmarsat I6-F2, CRS-28, and one Starlink mission. Following stage separation, the first stage will land on the Just Read the Instructions droneship, which will be stationed in the Atlantic Ocean.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XV2tyCEBctA

>>15622966
>Food/Energy independence
From seeds to nutrients to solar power/gas (methane) production
>Infrastructure independence
From vehicles to roads to buildings to energy production infrastructures (solar panel factory/electric motors/batteries/etc)
>Semi conductor independence
Computer manufacturing from top to bottom
>Labor independence
Robots/humans sustainable production/procreation rate 3 child per family mandated by law, minimum
>Economic independence
Sustained by energy credits and added value by unique human innovations
>Military independence
Self defense + offense capabilities from top to bottom (ai, robots, ship production, missile production, laser production, weapons production, engine production, etc), minimum 100+ fleet in orbit at all times for defense purpose, each with 100 missiles to destroy every single city >1M population on Earth, with a payload and multiple ( a dozen +) orbital gauss/railgun cannon on a spheroid station to send multi megaton straight to Earth/moon and act as defenses.
>Spaceflight independence
Rocket factory in house

>>15623129
It’s honestly fucking insane how many of these lil niggas spacex are launching these days

>>15621314
kek

If anyone is willing to try braving the Chinese internet, they're actually streaming a Long March 4C launch for once. T-15:00

https://twitter.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1686939991170273280

>>15622975
Yet another promise musk cannot fulfill

>>15622975
For which? HLS? Starlink? Generic payload?

Its going to be mission specific.

>>15623143
we live (in a matter of seconds)

>>15623252
delayed 1/2 bong

>>15623252
Looks like it was delayed half an hour
Meanwhile, the chinese launch went off without a hitch and livestreamed!

MUSIC

live

babby's first orbit lesson

one minute. anyone watching?

boooring

>>15622340
He's trying to replicate Tesla's success with Blue Origin, because his present leadership can't replicate SpaceX despite having basically a blank check. The hope that with enough acquisitions, he'll luck out on another Gwynne Shotwell type leader and another Elon-like leader, and he can finally rid himself of Bob Smith and his circle of legacy contract squeezers; and start turning over a faster, better leaf. But doing blind acquisitions of other companies otherwise, paints his company in a much greater negative light, because that's just a hostile take over with extra steps. After the Twitter acquisition, most companies are playing their cards very close to the vest, and BO shopping around like a deranged zombie looking for new brains would be incredibly bad for their reputation.

Until then, Bezos is fine with living his billionaire playboy lifestyle while his aerospace company just flounders in the background. He still has another 20-25 years on him before it becomes complicated to no longer maintain his lifestyle and also do the kind of leadership at Amazon that he once did.

>Off center landing

It's over

it just works

Elon can't keep getting away with it

it's easy

whoa, there was a stream of liquid drops coming tangentally off the rim of the engine bell! I wonder what that was?

Goodnight /sfg/!

>>15623462
rat piss

>>15622987
clamshell makes sense for expendable 200+t payload Starship

>>15622928

The earth is flat and stationary with a dome. They are never ever leaving this enclosed plane alive, and neither are you sciencegoys.
CGI is all you get in this life and if you are vaxxed, I know many of you here are well boosted, then the Mars landings will be livestreamed straight into your vaxxed brain.
Also with the latest Neurolink brain processor you'll be able to watch multiple landings at the same time, with the same bitrate and no loss in quality experience.

>>15624078
The globe cabal and science goy mind control zombie hordes are after you.

>>15621288
https://youtu.be/nnyqs3ytOOY?t=180

>>15619202
They're loud ugly niggers. Verification not required. They have some cool sensors and they're good enough but they're not as sexy as the hornet and eagle.

>>15623387
>The hope that with enough acquisitions, he'll luck out on another Gwynne Shotwell type leader and another Elon-like leader
He should just come to terms with the fact that he is rich enough to buy Tory Bruno and get it over with.

Luna 25 launch window: Aug 11, 2:10 a.m. Moscow time (2310 GMT on Aug 10) at Vostochny Cosmodrome
>expected to become the first spacecraft to land on the south pole of the Moon
>main tasks are to test precision landing technologies, study surface regolith and exospheric dust and particles, and look for water and other resources, for up to one year

>>15622303
IT'S GRILLER TIME BABBYYYY
THE MARTIAN GRILLER'S UNION IS SO FUCKING BACK

>>15624338
>post mysteriously ignores the raptor and tomcat
>implying the superbug is anything but an affront to god
are you, perhaps, gay?

>>15624407
Raptor doesn't exist
Tomcat is complicated

>>15624407
and no, the original Hornet

>>15624417
You're arguing about sexiness 2 posts up the chain and now we need practicality and huge production volume? I wouldn't care if the '22' in F-22 is how many got made; aesthetics are aesthetics, the F-14 is the best looking jet fighter to ever fly in combat (second place goes to the F-15 but you're a broken clock). Fuck you, you hypocritical lala homo faggot.

Also, the original hornet is a lot shittier in every way - aesthetically and functionally - than the superhornet, so you're wrong, gay AND retarded

>>15624441
damn that's all true
I wish I could say at least I wasn't as loud as an F-35B in hover but here I am shitting up this thread
the Marines are running out of space to put their fighter jets on display outside MCAS Paris Island btw

The earth is flat and stationary with a dome. They are never ever leaving this enclosed plane alive, and neither are you sciencegoys.
CGI is all you get in this life and if you are vaxxed, I know many of you here are well boosted, then the Mars landings will be livestreamed straight into your vaxxed brain.
Also with the latest Neurolink brain processor you'll be able to watch multiple landings at the same time, with the same bitrate and no loss in quality experience.

>>15624441
In case anyone gives a shit, Catalina is trying to revive the PBY
Yes, one of the first WW2 planes you get in war thunder is trying to make a revival some 80 years later. Look, it even has hellfires lol

>>15624485
wtf is a PBY?

12 hour testing road closure tomorrow

>>15624500
Peanut butter and yelly sandwich.

>>15624519
thanks bro

stage it

>>15624485
What is the relevance? Are they gonna use them to shoot anyone coming close to space capsules.

>>15624508
Nosotros estamos tan de vuelta

>>15624553
bueno

>>15624548
It's completely unrelated to space, I don't know why he bothered posting about it here.

>>15622943
He's leaning too hard into the UAP disclosure crap while pretending to be neutral.

>>15624500
>>15624548
>>15624564
It’s interesting

>>15624564
page 10 is a lawless place

its so quiet here

>>15624712
DEAD GENERAL
>383 posts on page 10

Staging

>>15624746

>>15624746

>>15624746