/sci/ - Science & Math

Needle update

Twitter user iris_IGB claims to have managed to produce meissner effect exhibiting LK-99 sample:
https://twitter.com/iris_IGB/status/1685731177523449856

Facebook user Awana Vps claims that his reproduced sample of LK-99 does not exhibit meissner effect:
https://archive.org/details/20230731090957426

Bilibili user 关山口男子技师 claims to have observed antimagnetism in his sample, but no superconductivity:
https://t.bilibili.com/824169267373015058

Bilibili user 关山口男子技师 claims to have made four samples of LK-99 and none of them exhibit the claimed superconductivity or meissner effect:
https://twitter.com/elsa17z/status/1685457032135008256

Research paper was posted to arxiv.org website claiming room temperature and pressure super conductor named LK-99:
https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.12008

Same researchers posted a video of LK-99 exhibiting meissner effect:
https://sciencecast.org/casts/suc384jly50n

List of Replication Efforts
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/claims-of-room-temperature-and-ambient-pressure-superconductor.1106083

Updated Paper Published
https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.12037

Chinese replicate strong diamagnetic effect
https://targum.video/v/2023/8/1/e2ad3b8e86961ccfdcf411d2d4d18d3f/?l=en

For fuck sake

>tfw mechanical engineer
>tfw one 3-credit hour class of crystal structure / chemistry physics under my belt from pre-grad school
>tfw all of this stuff is like gibberish to me
ahhhhhh

Hope it's legitimate. Would be a very exciting breakthrough.

Even if LK-99 itself isn't particularly useful the knowledge gained from studying a room-temp superconductor will probably lead to big things.

the Chinese are replicating this up the ASS right now

we are so fucking back

why did the Indians fail though?

>>15614642
>the knowledge gained from studying a room-temp superconductor will probably lead to big things.
the useful knowledge of heating up a lead composite that magically leads to superconductivity

>>15614633
doesn't correspond with markets

>>15614633
Kek I am loving the needle updates needleanon keep up the good work.

I only have leaning over and leaning back does anyone have the others so I can shitpost with them

>>15614635
>Woman
>@nolightupstairs

Checks out

>>15614642
Reddit is down the hall to the left

>>15614653
Markets are often irrational, needles are based on facts and cannot be biased.

Who the fuck is Sneed Griffin?

>>15614633
doesn't correspond to markets

>>15614637
You have no idea; I had to take Physics 101 and up until Biochem for my major and LK99 stuff fuels my desire to know more but I am too retarded to know what's what.

What kind of hidden wars will every world government alphabet soup do once this gets confirmed real.

>>15614674
>hidden
if only you knew how much geopolitical tension there really is.

>>15614649
It was a massive chunk of a very impure sample. If they did make trazes of SC, they were vastly outweighed by non-SC.
Compare that to the Chinese levitation video: They only got a tiny pebble of relatively pure SC and that seemed to do the trick.

>>15614674
>hidden
Anon WW3 will almost certainly happen before the end of the decade

OP sounds like that guy who does a runner from school.

Get werkin on lernin

>>15614635
>no pronouns in bio
i like her a lot.

Very nice and all. Can I kill people with it? Asking the real questions here for the sake of military supremacy.

>>15614707
a runner?

>>15614723
yes, video but much better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id90kjYh-Qw

can someone explain to a brainlet the significance of this? Why is everyone fawning over this?

>>15614633
we're so back the 70s are in again

>>15614733
Literally the holy grail of materiel science

>>15614633
>>15614660
Needles
>https://imgur.com/a/GVPpAtI

>>15614733
see those vents on that laptop? yeah that shit is useless

Is what we're seeing right now the process of peer review?

>>15614742
Yes, basically people realized the process has some weird stuff that's probably what took the koreans longer to make the thing so now they're trying some variations

STOP THE COUNT

>>15614742
we're having sneed review on /sci/ and it's all that matters. backposters and overposters are fighting the battle of the century

>>15614733
They have 0 resistance, make no waste heat, and are perfect magnets.
You can do all kinds of wacky shit with them, it would be right to commit genocide in order to get them, if that's what it took.

>>15614743
you're a pseud
>>15614742
nope its just classic clickbait science, we've gone from being graphene flavored to superconducting memes

>>15614733
you can transmit energy with 0 loss in power
you can put a bunch of solar panels in the Sahara desert and literally power the entire world

so when will we know something definitive, 1 day, 1 week, 1 month? sems like no ones agreeing to anything with all the back and forth going on.

>>15614733
almost any application of electricity or magnets you can think of (like 80% of all our shit we use) is straight up way better pretty much.

>>15614758
1 Month.

>>15614758
5 hours

>>15614758
1 fauci = 2mw

>>15614758
2 weeks.

>>15614763
>>15614766
>>15614768

What I dont get is the wikipedia page on this, half say nothing happened and the other half (give or take) saw success. Seems like they cant agree on it.

>>15614758
there is no time limit, people will keep researching until it's obliterated by other scientists, or just werks

right now it's in the "???" phase of peer review

>>15614626
I need an update soon my hopium stock is dwindling

>>15614775
we have 3 "good" outlook stories so far. One of them is a simulation lacking a lot of data, and two are chinese replications with no papers besides shaky twitter videos

>>15614779

FOMO is a serious thing, id just bail before it closes.

if this works will i get a gf?

>>15614775
>https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/claims-of-room-temperature-and-ambient-pressure-superconductor.1106083/
This is the state of replication so far.

>>15614635
it's over

>>15614785
even SEA slums will have maglev, yes

>>15614786
Nepeta!!!!

>>15614775
yeah in the end it won't be the superconductor that will be discovered but the fact that reality is in a superposition of it's over we're back

>>15614634
It's real and exists and is functional, although it's very small and weak
The reason everyone's trying to refute this is because between this and Taiwan, China will be the dominant superpower for as long as it takes the west to catch up

>>15614775
Wikipedia just copy the Spacebattles forum table removing the anime profile pic russian.
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/claims-of-room-temperature-and-ambient-pressure-superconductor.1106083/page-19

>>15614796
unless a reputable EU or US source(non simulated) claims it as real, its not real

lmao

nothingburger

>As of 1 August 2023, the material has not been confirmed to be superconducting at any temperature. The synthesis of LK-99 and observation of its superconductivity have not been peer reviewed or independently replicated.[4] The announcement was widely shared and the reaction by the scientific world was mainly skeptical due to the extraordinary nature of the claims,[5] and errors and inconsistencies in the pre-published papers.
>As of 1 August 2023, the experiment had not been successfully replicated, despite the initial experiments being completed in 2020.
So just more social media nonsense? Come on /sci/ I thought you were better than this.

wtf is spacebattles

https://twitter.com/zebulgar/status/1686400814699491328

>>15614815
nigger stop posting twitter niggers
noon cares

>>15614649
Obviously poo contaminants.

>>15614821
it's x now you bigot

>>15614815
vulture capitalists are scum of the earth

>>15614813
Autistic boomers.

>>15614832
>noo, how dare you charge for the value you create
>nooo

>>15614832
Shut up NOW

>>15614815
>random illiterate nigger with a paid blue cuckmark
/sci/ is lost forever.

>>15614835
my problem isnt with the capitalist part, it's the retardation part

>>15614810
kek

i've been reading tweets and 4chan posts about this and yet still don't know what superconductivity is and why it would revolutionize computing. i even asked bing chat but forget it now.


but apparently it will help trains float.

>>15614845
its the founder and CEO of a startup that is trying to manufacture drugs in space

>>15614813
vs debates and worm fanfiction

>>15614851
>Founded in 2020, the company aims to build the first space station dedicated to industrial use
Yeah, a random tech startup.

>world's first space drugs and arms dealer @vardaspace village idiot/partner
Nice bio too.

>>15614851
in other words a fucking moron

>>15614850
in short:
a superconductor is a material that generates virtually no resistance when a current is passed through it. this means that there is virtually no energy lost to heat.
which not only means more efficient energy transfer, but also allows you to ignore cooling concerns since you won't risk your shit melting itself
also some shit about floating or whatnot but that's mostly just a meme based on magnetic properties associated with them. it's primarily the electrical efficiency that matters

So much of a cluster fuck going on with this, does the South Korean team still stand by their claims? Even with the failures no one is agreeing with what is going on. Also I got to see first hand how scientists act, they are all in it for themselves, trying to one up each other for the sake of clout, fuck these people, its no wonder discovery has been so stagnant.

>>15614733
From a very cursory understanding of what's going on at the moment, the mechanism that produces the supercondunductivity is completely novel, and so doesn't always form in the structure of the material?
So it is basically confirmed to be a RTAP superconductor, which is huge, but there is a shitload of work to be done in terms of production processes in order to make it into anything commercially viable. Maybe we'll take another look at a lot of already dismissed substances that could actually fit the bill with a little bit of tweaking?

If you mean the very, very basics of it - Room temperature/ambient temperature Superconducting material is the holy grail of material science because the scope of application is basically infinite. Billions of dollars of power each year get pissed into the wind by heat loss from resistance, and that's only looking at the very most basic use case. Anti-grav maglev trains that run on inertia alone is another cool one - Imagine being able to get from here to anywhere by essentially kicking off the ground. Superconductors have massive, massive application in fusion reactors because the magnetic containment fields they use for the plasma are based on them. If we suddenly don't need to worry about keeping the magnets from vaporising with a constant stream of liquid nitrogen, it opens up a lot of opportunity to cross the critical threshold that unlocks fusion power as an economically viable source of electricity. The other big one is that the main limitation of computronics at this point in their development is cooling. We can make a processor go at fucking lightning speeds, but if you can't cycle coolant over it fast enough then it melts itself. You can use water cooling, you can use liquid nitrogen in extreme cases, but with superconducting circuitry, you don't need to bother, and you are suddenly free to make bullshit fast processors. It also makes quantum computing easier, but I don't actually know shit about that.

>>15614786
>spacebattles

>>15614859
oh ok interesting, so the resistance creates the heat. i need to take some physics classes (unironically, will do).

>>15614785
absolutely, multiple girlfriends even.

>>15614856
>>15614858
they just got a NASA contract and the drug manufacturing capsule is in space right now, apparently succesfully did the synthesis but waiting for FAA approval for re-entry

https://twitter.com/VardaSpace/status/1674871004810858496

>>15614850
superconductivity
Zero(or almost zero) Resistance or meaning no energy loss and generate heat from energy loss.

>>15614733
Badass desk ornaments will be possible with this floaty magical substance

Korean rooms are colder than western rooms

>>15614865
more or less.
guess I should also note for the sake of completeness: we've observed superconductors before, but the materials in question only exhibit those properties at very low temperatures (as in "no more than -180 degrees C or -290 degrees F"). the hunt is for something that we don't need a shitton of liquid nitrogen or helium for

>>15614869
Is also the place that Andrew McCalip works at, he's the one tweeting his replication attempts.

>>15614850

it will make Cyberpunk real

>>15614850
You may be able to make a processor that doesnt get so hot and run it way faster, also quantum computers at home

>>15614869
I'm I watching the start of "Policenauts"?

Haven't been here since Sunday, status?

>>15614858
There is a little bit of merit about crystallizing shit in micro gravity to get more predictable crystal structures for pharmaceuticals because they can end up effecting the absorption in to the organism.

>>15614884
we're so back

>>15614884
it's over

>>15614862

High effort post. Thanks

>>15614884
literally no one knows

>>15614884
The whiteboard understands everything. It was mostly theorized. The magnet is in the magnet and the needle is pointing towards back.

>>15614871
I'm gonna get a floaty teetotum. And a personal fusion reactor and a home defense rail gun.

>>15614879
yes, that too

>>15614883
haven't seen that, but activities in space are about to explode and that is entirely independent of LK-99 actually working out or not

>>15614733
The biggest implication of this being real is:

It will prove that our reality may be a simulation after all.

Like russian nesting dolls, being able to make superpowerful and efficient computers with superconductors mean it's possible to create our own simulations of ourselves. Then if our simulations start making simulations of themselves, what proof do we have that our own reality is the base one, not another simulation by the one above us?

>>15614733
computer no get hot

I came from the future.
This is all bullshit, the first practical superconductor will be created in Niger, UUHGG I know.
Sorry sweetie but the future belongs to black bvlls, we lost.

Im going to stand by the koreans on this one, based solely on the fact that no one knows what the fuck is going on.

>>15614906
WHEN???????????????
IM NOT GETTING ANY YOUNGER

>>15614733
It's bad for security. Alphabet soup agencies will be able to decrypt your hard drive in nanoseconds

>>15614904
No
Superconductors don’t let you compute for free, reversible computing does
Simulation theory is religion for science bros

>>15614733
If its real, it's our ticket to the future. Hovercars, space elevators, you name it

>>15614733
You'd use them in fusion reactors and batteries. The age of fossil fuels would be over.

>>15614626
>back and forth bullshittery almost a week in
Why is a lifetime discovery being handled like this?

>>15614907
And what do the koreans say?

>>15614911
careful, you might get crucified for speaking the truth

>>15614904
that's still just a non-answer, it's simulations all the way down at that point.

>>15614859
My confusion is as to its utility wrt electronics. People mention smaller form factors for things like phoens and computers but I think people like the current form factors. Would this enable us to more create microelectornics like AR lenses/contacts and other devices?

>>15614916
because it's either bullshit or the koreans don't want to publish a reliable production method for some reason because they forgot their shit needs to be peer reviewed and now everyone needs to get on this back and forth of modifications and small improvements to understand what the fuck they did

>>15614916
Maybe if they didn't have a Pee-Kum Yeung who wasn't a huge faggot and went rogue before they had pure samples they could document, it would've been easier.

>>15614917

I believe they were saying they will release to the press soon. These guys are trying to recreate it no? What if there is something critical that needs to be done, they said they have a sample, maybe it needs to be done a certain way. Full disclosure I dont know anything about this shit, but all I have seen so far is contradictions, one says failure, the other says success, another said they failed x way and the other said they failed in another. I will wait for now.

>>15614906
>2nd future larped saying lk99 is over
Wtf, is /x/ and /sci/ experiencing a discord raid

You could get a floating toilet that is not connected to anything. That's crazy.

if this turns out legit can someone mod it into victoria 2?

https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1vOGwMjZEnRxB/peek

>>15614948
When they discover SCs, maybe Victoria 3 won't run like shit.

what does this mean for real life mecha?

>/gsg/ has arrived

>>15614972
perhaps physically possible since battery density will skyrocket, but from a military standpoint mechas will still be a dumb idea

>>15614972
>small power sources that can power mecha
>servos that can have fast human like movements for arms and legs
>supercomputers that can run and control subtle movements to make it easier for you to pilot

Yea it's possible

>>15614961

Ugh, they talk about maglev trains and how great it is in Japan, but then I remember where I live, it would be like putting a mink coat on a pig, people who use public transportation all look like they belong there and now we wanna give them maglevs? uh no thank you. Im sure it works in places like Japan with like minded people, but not the zoo called USA. We dont deserve technological breakthroughs, thats the truth, humanity should be left in teh dust, we dont fucking deserve it and I hope this LK99 falls through..

>>15614989
holy fucking shit you're the biggest cuck I've seen on this website and I've seen /v/'s blacked threads

>>15614977
the pentagon would have zero recruiting issues if you got to pilot mechas. like i might even be willing to die for israel if i got to do it in a giant robot.

>>15614989

absolutely based

>>15614996
Imagine palestinians in pyjamas with mechas. Kek.

would wires made with this stuff be like muscle fibres?

is it just me or

>>15614786
>spacebattles is at the forefront of science

>>15615010
You got a better table?

>>15614996
Due to law of physics it will HAVE to be mechas with swords. This much is settled science. No mechas with guns. They're gay and cause mecha infetterence.

>>15615002

They'd get shitty khyber pass battle tech knock off elementals

>>15615026
>they're gay
no you

https://twitter.com/alexkaplan0/status/1686434003304271878

https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/room-temperature-superconductor-new-developments

>>15615043
>>15615026
mechwarriorSISSIES once again gettting blown the fuck out by basic rockets

>>15615045

>>15615058

>>15615058

I saw the video for this, but shouldn't a magnet already be moving it? Waht am i missing? Is it not metallic?

>>15615061

>>15615047
Eastern mechs give off estrogen vibes. Western mechs give off testosterone vibes. Simple as.

>>15615045
>most believable blah blah blah
nothingburger confirmed

>>15614884
KIMCHI FERMENTERS MASTER RACE
/SCI/ENTOLOGISTS BTFO

>>15615062
the point is that it exhibits significant diamagnetism, which is a property where it is repulsed by any magnetic field, regardless of orientation
also, most metals don't exhibit significant amounts of any type of magnetism, but that's a bit of a digression at that point

>>15615066
are we back?

>>15614922
Yeah, things get smaller because SC transistors (Josephson junctions) which replace MOSFETs can be packed much more densely, and they don't need to be cooled. Also, battery life increases by like 80+% because no more heat loss, which means either longer life or smaller batteries. So basically you can keep current form factors, but have batteries that last 4x as long before, considering size increases from more space. And things can also get smaller, for example, tiny chips the size of a dime that slot into AR glasses and run on tiny batteries, but that are as strong as a modern smartphone.

And that's not considering the improvements to battery architecture at all, which will also benefit from SCs.

>>15614916
99% chance that people who actually understand this know that it's bullshit, which is why hobbyists are the ones taking the lead

>>15615085
there's like 2 national labs working on it in the USA, and Berkely scientists have been studying the material also

>>15615092
Your frog is backwards idiot.

>>15615085
bruh an american just was like "Yo this shit might be legit with further study" moments ago retard Sinéad Griffin at Lawrence Berkeley (an american from an established university not some pajeet) said that "This is by far the most believable shot at room temperature and pressure superconductivity the world has seen so far, and the coming days and weeks are going to be extremely interesting."

>>15615099

Glad I got in AMSC @ 7.69 usd, im up $16,000

This bitch embarrassed herself once again. How will Sabine-sisters ever recover?

>>15615102
fellow ASMC enjoyer, when r u selling? i bought this for no reason other than it has superconductor in the name

>>15615102
good shit anon

>>15615107
AMSC*- i cant even spell it thats how much i dont know about this company

Chinese reproduction, demonstrating full levitation of a small flake.

https://twitter.com/Andercot/status/1686286684424691712

This would be the biggest indicator of a SC so far, pending measuring the resistance. Which should happen shortly.

Muh impurity cope. Bros I am losing hope.

>>15615045
ok but Lowe is not a physicist
his opinion is not more worthy cause he writes on Science (on bio stuff, I'd trust him though)

>>15615114
Did they measure conductivity?

>>15615123
>shows the effect
>no thats not the real effect, show me the real effect
fellow doubt chads we need to kill our selves, STAT!

>>15615102
wish i had money

/mmcg/ reporting in, when can I expect lk-99 production chain in gregtech?

>>15615114
>Full levitation, it never leaves the ground
whyyouliying.gif

>>15614666
/biz/zers are the biggest FUDders in the world. If there is a shred of controversy they lose interest in investment. Do not take their actions to mean ANYTHING. If they heard a tree fall they would pull out

>>15615123
Literally look up one post. Sure, say chink aren;t trustworthy or something, but that's full levitation.

Anyways, diamagnetism isn't partial levitation, it's trapping something magnetic in 4 fields. Full levitation, but only in one spot, and it requires 4 additional magnets.

>>15615106
>be wrong about RTAPS
>they use those RTAPS to build new particle accelerator
>they find new physics explaining dark matter
mfw

>>15615128
no

>>15614753
kys doubter, you're always proven wrong in the end

>>15615136
probably like fucking two days after the ultimate confirmation. gregtech sisters are so fuarking autistic.

flakes that small can levitate from static electricity no?

>>15615146
So how do they know it's a superconductor?

>>15615136
You have to craft an enchanted quartz vacuum flask and do a frame perfect throw into lava to get 1.

>>15615151
They can get repelled, but you'd need several source to levitate, I think.

So after a whole fucking week all we get is some partially levitating flakes that's smaller than the tip of a toothpick? I expected better from scientific communities all over the world.

>>15615114
>1mm flake shaped like a dorito
>blurry UFO style low quality video
>can't observe shit
Lmao@believers

>>15614758
in exactly two more weeks

>>15615154
rock float

>>15615159
The production process is on wikipedia too, requires just the base material and a big oven.

>>15615165
go make some then, anon

Brainlet here. Is there no sure way to distinguish diamagnetism from real superconductivity?

>>15615174
It's simple: just measure the resistance!

https://twitter.com/altryne/status/1686427874289733632

>5 days later
>still fucking no conclusion
I SWEAR TO GOD WHAT DO WE EVEN PAY YOU SCIENCE BITCHES FOR?
FIGURE IT THE FUCK OUT NERDS

>>15615171

>>15615143
kek
please happen

>>15615165
SMOS
simple matter of synthesis

>It's real
>If the Russian catgirl method works it can be manufactured in a $200 tabletop kiln from Aliexpress

It's DIY railgun time boys

>>15615174
There is, measuring resistance. In terms of levitation, showing that the object can be moved around the magnet without sticking and following one of the 4 side, and that both poles work to levitate. I think.

>>15615178
Who the fuck is this account now and why is he interviewing Pajeets who can barely speak English? No wonder he can't follow the recipe if he can't read it.

>>15615185
4th of July bout to get wild in the ghetto. I'm gonna have to move to a white neighborhood.

>>15615184
SNEED
Simply NEEDful

>>15615174

>>15615165
its not that simple >>15615178

fake

i want it to be true just to prove this loser wrong

>>15615185
>Russian catgirl
Sketchiest attempt yet. Nigerian prince level. A woman replicating the material in her commieblock apartment with zero background in material physics and supposedly refining the process in a matter of days when renown research labs still haven't.

>>15615196
same

>>15615179
sirs pls understand, research is hard

>>15615192
Makes sense

>>15615200
They are some kind of material chemist apparently.

>>15615179
two more weeks trust the plan

why don't we call superconductors just conductors?

>>15615185
unironically need a link to the cheapest sketchiest kiln that works

>>15615204
No she claims to be a molecular biologist working at a genetic institute (https://www.genebiology.ru/en/)) and is one of the least reliable private source on the replication attempt.

>>15615210
to differentiate them from conductors

>>15615210
All things conduct, only a few things don't resist. Maybe "perfect conductors" would have been better.

>>15615179
2 replications already that show no superconductor properties .
lk99sisters... I don't feel so good..

>>15615218
or at the very least, something like "super good conductors"
though that's a bit wordy. if only there were some way to say that in a briefer manner

>>15615221
is it over???

>>15615211
it's only 925 degrees, you need to get about that hot to make bronze so you could make it at home

>>15615216
https://twitter.com/iris_IGB
>Iris Alexandra, resident plant physiology
And while there are some Alexandra listed in the staff there is no "Iris Alexandra". She's also linked to another coomer account with the bio stating "Nelke Alexandra, 旅人, Drosophila & Chromatin researcher"

>>15614626
I'm not reading the thread
Is it real or not?

>>15614758
koreans have this for years, they know how to produce a something but in no reliable way. They haven't published their exact way of doing it.
what give me some confidence is that the guy who was kicked out is desperate to get the credit, and make this mess of preprints, so he really really believes is real.

>>15614733
Superconductors are really, really fucking good for computers, power lines, making shit float, and nuclear fusion, but they have to be at nonstandard air pressure and really, really fucking cold temperatures

If this works, it gets rid of those requirements, making it much more practical. A lot of gizmos would benefit.

>>15615234
No. Total gook death

>>15614752
I really just can't believe the unobtainium humanity was shown committing interstellar colonialism for hundreds of years from now in the biggest sci-fi movie of my teens got synthesized on Earth less than 15 years later. It even fucking looks like it. Cameron's plot literally got resolved IRL before he even finished the fucking films if this pans out.

>>15615234
no, its over

we cannot allow a lead gap

>>15615234
we're so back its legit bro

>>15615210
when superconductors become widespread we'll call normal conductors subconductors

>>15615234
Scientific™ consensus says no

>>15615241
>Avatar 2 plot is committing total whale death to get magic brain juice that stops aging
bros...

>>15615234
most likely real or one of the steps towards a real one

>>15615249
nigger thats a fucking betting poll retard

>>15615235
or he got tired of working with it but wants the credit and/or help from the general science community
who knows how long it is going to take to try to perfect this synthesis process with just a few people? compared to probably tens of labs now and later hundreds if it turns out to be real

>>15615229
multiple personality disorder, nelke and iris are the same person and one of the alexandra's in the staff list

>>15615178

Pajeets cant do anything. Billions of people, supposedly in the tech world, cant produce jack shit other than be teachers pet to white companies.

>>15614815
Is he suggesting orbital manufacture?

>>15615227
>bronze age superconductors
>sea people had railguns
Get writing nerds

>>15615257
https://twitter.com/iris_IGB/status/1686336941074063361
Gives even less credibility to her claims.

>one of the alexandra's in the staff list
Any proof? They're not assigned to what she claims is doing.

>>15615254
15 years to get magic elixir of life that is made from piss, some gravel outside and dead bugs, then heated to 950C for 24h

>>15615210
physics guys are bad with words. quantum shit is full of confusing names

>>15615263
yes, that is what the company does already (or is starting to try to do)

>>15615266
https://twitter.com/iris_IGB/status/1686273174009151488
clearly a biologist of some sort

>>15615249
>no new evidence either way, hype about the simulation simmers down
>drops from over 50% to 30%
useless

>>15615254
Meanwhile in 2030: Random Thai biologist discovers that the cure for aging and disease is Orca spinal fluid.

>>15615278
go away james cameron

Once /biz/ invaded /sci/, the IQ level of this board dropped like 200 points

>>15615249
Even if it is replicated, it will not impact your life or change society.

>>15615274
Yes, that's my point. Do you expect a medical doctor to synthesize it in his attic next and give him credibility? Not only that but her method significantly diverges from the one described in the paper and used by all the labs working on it. She's not really documenting her method either, apart from twitter and discord from what I see.
There are other more serious private attempts we should focus on.

>>15615278
I can see it now. All of the waters of Alaska chock full of orca farms. We'd slaughter them by the billions. And it'll be glorious.

>>15615274
Nice get on that Xeet

>>15614893
kek

>>15614884
it's unequivocally over

>>15615288
Wow, so we're around -140 then?

https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/15fdf40/lk99_replication_the_highest_trending_topic_on/

>>15615254
>>15615241
This shit is already cringe. A superconductor does not generate energy.

>>15615306
It doesn't need to.

>>15615304
Asian Century. Don't make me tap the sign.

https://twitter.com/SchoopLab/status/1686377177192046593

>>15614626
if this lk-99 has show us something i that people are addicted to dopamine,i want it to be as real as everyone else but cant you fuckers wait 1 month for the result?

>>15615304
>meanwhile on German YouTube
I for one welcome our new slant-eyed overlords

>>15615312

>>15615307
To do any of the shit you retards are talking about, yes it does. We already have the ability to do most of what is being boasted about as world-changing. Levitating trains, long distance power lines, whatever. Cars are powered by batteries.

>>15615066
Ah, this would explain why that resistance test the Chinese did failed; it's only a SC along specific paths.

>>15615143
>physics
>new physics (quantum)
>new physics redux (dark)

>>15615318
https://twitter.com/SchoopLab/status/1686413246851588097

>>15615312
>>15615318
So many fancy words, yet the magic rock still floats.

>>15615326
https://twitter.com/SchoopLab/status/1686441727820001280

> Catalogue of flat-band stoichiometric materials

>>15615312
>The prediction assumes the crystal structure is correct, but it might not be.

Unequivocally over

>>15615106
A good scientits would only be glad to be proven wrong, because this means more truth being revealed. Let's see how things go, both for her and for LK-99.

>>15615278
Orcas aren't immortal. Naked mole rats may be but they all kill each other so no one makes it out at the end.

gonna leave it overnight /sci/, its trending upwards, this just needs to turn out to be true and i will be out of this hole im in, small hole, but hole nonetheless.

>>15615292
the two chinese labs replication results looks the same as hers two days later

>>15615331
>magic rock still floats
May I see it?

>>15615340
>A good scientits would only be glad to be proven wrong, because this means more truth being revealed. Let's see how things go, both for her and for LK-99.

>>15615234
So far, inconclusive. And I don't mean it in a "yes, no, maybe, I don't know" way, this is what I got from reading the other threads.

>>15615350
As in a small piece of material, 100 microns long, floating over a magnet? You know it's not the only material that can achieve this, right? It's not the proof we're after either

>>15615254
That's not the plot of Avatar 2. It's just a set piece.

>>15615335
well it just means the LBNL paper does not prove anything, it means it might be possible but nothing more, and this has been said multiple times by multiple people like >>15614635
and in the previous thread (which can't be linked to)
https://twitter.com/condensed_the/status/1686373516286005248
and somewhere else too but don't remember where

so in short, Flat Bands =/> Superconductivity
its necessary, but not sufficient

>>15615355
>muh science is le bad

>no new evidence for a full 30 minutes
Pull out
It's over

What's the current over meter?

>>15615350
No they do not. The chinese lab found weak diamagnetism while she observed very strong diamagnetism. Not only she doesn't follow the production method, her results stray the most from all other labs.

>>15615360
update: no new evidence for 3 more minutes

>>15615355
When someone asks you a question in real life, do you have to repeat what they said in green in your head while thinking of a soijak before you respond?

>>15615293
Realistically if there was enough money to back the R&D we already have the technology to genetically engineer organisms that grow orca spines like vines.

>>15615362

I'm watching people spend their money on this, usually that gives a better idea, although it can be dangerous too, but ignoring the stocks the predictit market has yes slowing getting back its gains.

>>15615355
low iq nigger

>>15615067
BattleTech is literally japanese.

>>15615318
>please mail it us bro

>>15615371
No I only near increasingly loud chimp noises

>>15615384
if you're near chimps get out of the ghetto

Isn't Meissner effect simply strong diamagnetism that only appears at certain temperatures?

what it is bros

>>15615399

we're back

>>15615276
Yes, because a rush of brand new know-nothing accounts rushed in to buy 'yes' when it was tweeted out by some high profile users. It took time for the market to settle - there was never a good reason for it to be as high as 50%

So if you put two regular magnets on top of each other on opposite sides, doesn't the one on top levitate? What makes LK99 so special?

>>15615414
>So if you put two regular magnets on top of each other on opposite sides, doesn't the one on top levitate?
Are you an npc?
Have done that ever in your life?

>>15615381
so? They do western mechs.

>>15615399
it's so back

>>15615414
No, it doesn't levitate, if you put a magnet on top of another on opposite sides the one on top will slide towards the side until it isn't being repelled anymore.
Meissner effect it will actually levitate on top of it.

>>15615043
*LRMs your mech*

>>15615414
Diamagnets are repelled by all magnetic fields, instead of being repelled by one and attracted to the other. Usually this means they slide away instead of levitating unless you create a magnetic "divot" with four magnets.
Superconductors WILL just levitate, though, as they are locked in place by a single magnetic field.

>>15615236
Why are they really really good for computers? As far as I am aware, computers don't use superconductors.

>>15615414
Unless you mechanically prevent them from rotating, one or both will quickly turn allowing them to attract and the magnets can snap together.
LK-99 appears to be diamagnetic, meaning it's repelled by any magnetic field and can float stably without active intervention. All superconductors are diamagnetic.

Diamagnetism is neither the desirable property of LK-99 (that would be... its alleged superconductivity) nor is it absolute proof that it's a superconductor (because there are a handful of known materials that are diamagnetic but not superconducting).
However, it's a very visually compelling and easy-to-demonstrate indicator of potential superconductivity.

>>15615401

>>15615414
levitation is like a test for superconductors.

>>15615394
below the critical temperature for that specific material assuming it happens to be a superconductor
and I guess assuming the material is also under a high enough pressure

where is the room temp superfluids at?

Is it happening?

>a twitter trans catgirl has done more to test and verify lk-99 than the entirety of 4chan
Humanity is so bad
But it’s over for 4chan. What happened? Old /sci/ and /b/ would have been all over this, they would be blowing up their own houses with DIY rail guns by now

>>15615458
>As far as I am aware, computers don't use superconductors.
Maybe because until now to have a superconductor properties you needed temperatures close to absolute Zero using liquid nitrogen you tard. Superconductor based quantum computers use them, and if LK-99 ends up delivering they will lower their cost a lot. I just bought stonks on rigetti. (There are other quantum computing comps. but use other tech like ion traps, photons, simulated annealing....)

>>15615293
we would figure out a sustainable way so we don't run out. Probably just put a hole in their heads and tap off some juice every once in a while.

>>15615476

who is catgirl? what is the link

>>15615475
No.

>>15615473
What the hell would that be useful for

>>15615458
Cooling them is too expensive, so only quantum computers use superconductors.
If you could build a computer using RTAP superconductors, though, it wouldn't generate waste heat, and you could gigaclock it without worrying about melting it (up to a point).

Why are people so excited about tiny pieces floating above magnets? That's not a good enough proof.
We have diamagnetic materials at room temperature. Bismuth for one, and pyrolytic carbon which is the strongest diamagnet we have. Both can visibly float over magnets at room temperature just like in the videos.

Superconductors are orders of magnitude more diamagnetic, and any diamagnetism would be extremely intense and unmistakable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrNkUkwJ0tE

>>15615476
Sorry, I meant humanity is so back
But seriously. What the fuck happened to this site?

>>15615452
If no friction since it’s levitating, wouldn’t it also slide off unless you’re EXTREMELY careful placing it? Or is air enough to absorb this residual inertia through friction? Or is it a “it takes an effort to move from one point of the field to another” kind of levitation like a gmod blue gravity gun right click?

>>15615485
zero friction lubricants

>>15614635
>no pronouns
i trust
its over

>>15615490
>like a gmod blue gravity gun right click
Literally yes.
https://youtu.be/Ws6AAhTw7RA?t=5

>>15615476
that catgirl is soviet phd scientist

>>15615488
Election tourists who think 4chan is a political website.

>>15615476
(she is oldfag that left)

>>15615491
Why would I want to fuck without friction nobody would feel anything

>>15615481
Really?

>>15615504
>soviet
She's certainly not old enough to be that.
You meant to say tankie larper yes?

>>15615519
Yes.

>>15615458
Basically a hypothetical superconductor that just worked perfectly and could used for everything, would mean 1.) less heat generation for computers, which will alleviate a protentional, future wall for computing power (though we are already honestly already approaching this for multiple simultaneous reasons).

You can say that superconductors remove the need for cooling. But we don't really care, we just cool computers already. It's not extremely expensive do that. They will use less energy.

Other than that, it may be possible to create some memory storage that's a bit faster. Superconductors are used in QC so maybe this one could be more stable and require less error correction (but this is like for a pure ideal superconductor).

If it enables a truly revolutionary change in computing, it would basically entail the creation of entirely new computing architecture that looks almost nothing like a CPU. You can imagine this will take decades of research to even figure if such a thing is possible. Actually, this research is already being done because of the aforementioned hard physical limits which modern architectures are being crushed under.

>>15614662
Wait. It's in the same building?

>>15615522
its in her bio

so how many actual levitations has there been? that should give us an idea whether this is bs or not.

>>15615478
It would still be expensive though, so it wouldn't have widespread use. Without widespread use, this whole thing becomes a nothingburger regardless of it works or not.

>>15615526
...
What about now?

>>15615371
>>15615378

>>15614737
You're simply not going to have transmission lines made of this. The price difference will not be worth the few % losses in copper.

>>15615539
China and Korea both have vids of it, yeah?

>>15615539
A superconductor just flew over my house.

why the fuck west is silent on this

>>15615546
>47406 - BasedBooru.png

>>15615504
Could it be that the grown adult woman who presents herself as a "catgirl" on the internet is an attention seeking crank?

>>15615555

Because west lacks talent, look at the people of the united states.

>>15615549
We could honor Edison's dream and go back to transmitting dc power if resistance isn't an issue

>>15615476
>What happened?
old/n/, /news/ and then /pol/
and we though /mlp/were the big problem

>>15615561
or they are capitalist trying hide there research to make money later

>>15615555
South Korea is part of the West.

>>15614803
its fucking over LOL
hopecels BTFO

>>15615561
50% american scientist are not even americam

>>15615563
the first thing I'll do when i get my government mandated time machine is go back and teach Edison how to make lk99

>>15615584
Fuck that, I'm going back to give this tech to certain Austrian painter.

>>15615573
lol
what about japs are they also part of west

>>15615458

Ignore >>15615534
They are a moron.

Long story short, it allows us to replace MOSFET transistors with something else, which means energy use drops by literally 99% (in a refined product anyways) and:
A) We can increase the density of transistors
B) We can clock the chips waaaaaay higher

What this means is much smaller chips, drawing a tiny, tiny fraction of the power, running hundreds of times faster than modern chips. See details here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconducting_logic

And yes, cooling is a HUGE issue on conventional chips. You ever see the surface of a CPU? That's just a heat spreader. Down below, about the size of a small postage stamp, is the real processor. More than half is wasted space. It also prevents increasing clocks, put big limits on the design space, etc.

I beggining to believe a schizo but hear me out on this, it might be true, he thinks the unraveling of this secret is tied to UAP's and the disclosure and that the reason Mitch Mcconnell had an episode where he froze is because he found out the truth about UAP's, its all tied man, you think all these discoveries like AI and now room temp sc are by chance?

>>15615584
>conductivity without resistance?
>impossible!
>back to your cave with you, cave dweller!

>>15615563
We already do. DC is used to transport massive amount of power over thousands of miles. This happens in China. (Asian Century)

>>15615196
Ceramic ≠ Glass

>>15615601
And?

>So far all calculations have been for Cu on the Pb(1) site, which is the site occupancy reported in Ref.[10]. I also calculated the structural and electronic properties of Cu in the Pb(2) site with the resulting structure and bands given in the SI. In this location, the Cu interrupts the hexagonal network that is characteristic of the apatite structure, which causes a structural rearrangement to the lower P 1 symmetry. The Cu substituted in this position is now tetrahedrally coordinated by oxygen, and has a significantly different electronic structure with no correlated d bands crossing the Fermi level, as detailed in the SI. In fact, I find that Cu on this Pb(2) is 1.08 eV more energetically favorable that Cu on the Pb(1) site, suggesting possible difficulties in robustly obtaining Cu substituted on the Pb(1) site.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2307.16892.pdf

So the real question is: how to make the correct substitution site energetically favorable? Different dopant with similar electronic properties?

Also I know there is software that will create electronically and volumetrically similar ligands (e.g., for alternative ligands in drug discovery); is there similar software for inorganic compounds / lattice structures?

https://twitter.com/StuartJRitchie/status/1686349557657919489

>>15615595
>this is alien tech and chinks reverse engineered it
heard that before

>>15615619

This has more chance of becoming true than Ukraine ever beating Russia.

>>15615399
Needs to be graphed on the complex plane.
>we're back/it's over real axis
>uncertainty/superposition imaginary axis

what kind of rims can you make with this technology?

>>15615619
what is next part

Go ahead test it and prove it's real oh wait you can't.

>>15615619
I REALLY have no idea where he's going with this. That it actually works?

>>15615619
>Jewkraine flag in bio
opinion disregarded

So uhh, what are the ramifications and applications if LK-99 is real?

>>15615631
We eat the LK-99

>>15615592
>Long story short, it allows us to replace MOSFET transistors with something else,

Long story: it fucking does not. MOSFETs are used because they can construct boolean logic. A superconductor material would have to replicate this logic, it does not do anything but extend the *terndline* for electronic computers slightly further. In other words: It is in *no way* revolutionary or magical

Any revolution in computing here would come from not using electronic computers and developing entirely new architectures.

Cooling is, as the retard noted, a problem with many solutions. We cool the computers we have fine.

>>15615631
we kill the batman

>>15615648
read the thread, retard-kun

Is the Korean team credible? Id trust a korean before I did the chinese, but still.

>>15615648
computer go big fast

>>15615648
Nothing that will change the world and certainly nothing that would change your life (which no wundertech will do).

>>15615650
>Long story: it fucking does not. MOSFETs are used because they can construct boolean logic. A superconductor material would have to replicate this logic, it does not do anything but extend the *terndline* for electronic computers slightly further. In other words: It is in *no way* revolutionary or magical
You dumb bitch, read the link I posted

It uses Josephson junctions to implement logic instead of metallic transistors, as I said.

>>15615619
Ivermectin is great for scabies but not for much else.

>>15615650
>We cool the computers we have fine.
No, the computers we have are weak enough that standard air cooling is enough for them.
The more efficient (less heat generated), the more powerful we can make our computers.

It will be real in a 100 years or so when the current industry has been milked dry.

>>15615623
>>15615643
Ukraine is winning though. Or why else does Russia constantly need new mobilization waves?

>>15615666

He could have picked anything else as an example but knowing how these people are they go down the political path and he has a ukraine flag. I can't stand people like this.

>>15615657
This is a confusion that results from people thinking a *theoretical limit* is practically achievable. You try building 1 trillion multilayered and overlapping groves at nanometer scale without a single error. "oh but the superconductor means we can go even smaller--" STFU

>>15615650
If you replace the conductor in a cpu by a kind of superconductor you won't have to worry about temperature and can increase the speed from 4 GHz to 100 GHz easily

>>15615677
I'm fully behind Ukraine because Russia is a muslim shithole but yeah Ivermectin is a bad example because it actually works for some conditions.

>>15615592
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconducting_computing
interesting

>>15615649
LK-99 is only meant for horses

>>15615613 (me)
>Different dopant with similar electronic properties?
To provide a guess, maybe cadmium? I haven't checked the orbital similarities to copper, but it's got similar oxidation states and it's intermediate in size between copper and lead. Not sure exactly what makes one site more energetically favorable than that other and what the probabilities are for each. This thread really needs more commentary from inorganic and solid state chemists

Also anyone have a recent journal review of high temperature superconductors?

>>15615655
they gave formula and vanished

>>15615660
>It uses Josephson junctions to implement logic instead of metallic transistors, as I said.

No shit?
>it does not do anything but extend the *terndline* for electronic computers slightly further

>>15615692
they got superconducted for their behavior

>>15615675
Trust the plan. 50 year olds driving T-55s are just as good as tranny M1A2 Abrams MBT.

>>15615320
>Cars are powered by batteries.
A superconducting loop could outperform any shitty chemical battery by orders of magnitude

>>15615681
I notice there is a constant conflation among you tards of what is "theoretical" vs what is achievable from an engineering standpoint.

>>15615680
SC is ideal meterial to make chips . silicon is just alternative

>>15615705
>Trust the plan.
That's what Jewtinpedes are doing.
The white country (Ukraine) will win against the diversity hellhole called Russia.

>>15615696
>Get proven wrong
>COPE

Also
>a 1000x performance and 5000x power reduction ceiling increase is not revolutionary
Cope, seethe and dilate my friend

>>15615715
saviours of the white race indeed.

white bros, how do we feel about this? doesn't it kind of suck that east asians are starting to take all the innovation glory?

>>15615711
NTA but going from "theoretically possible" to "very difficult" is actually a huge step forward.

>>15615709
Who gives a shit? Your car is ALREADY powered by batteries. We are talking about things that make the IMPOSSIBLE, POSSIBLE. A world-changing, revolutionary technology. Is this it? No. Fuck off. We already battery powered cars and a growing infrastructure to support them. Maybe you could have a battery powered plane. Woop-de-doo.

>>15615709
>A superconducting loop
What is critical current density? Superconducting loops are 10 Wh/kg

>>15615720
Gays are like 1% of the population in Ukraine. Muslims and nigs make up 30% of Russia's population and Russia is home to the largest mosques in Europe. Remind me how that's supposed to be pro-white again?
>inb4 Islam is white
fuck off shitskin

>>15615725
IT would be revolutonary because it would change electric vehicles from a shitty subsidized gimmick to actually optimal. The economic ramifications would be world changing.

>>15615725
I always wonder how many of these people are just trolling and how many are actually this retarded

>>15615607
That's a ribbon, not a fiber. Yes, there is a difference. Anyway, where is this actually used? Anything that uses superconductors doesn't use this. Maybe not having to use any coolant would make it worth it. Using YBCO ribbons still requires LN2, so it's still expensive to maintain. If LK-99 is real and doesn't cost a fortune to form into long ribbons, then maybe it'll actually be useful.

>>15615721
China fakes over half its papers and this SK paper also seems doubtful for now.

>>15615655
I find their infighting over the credit to be very credible

>>15615720
>ah, no gay people... home...

>>15615736
Every fusion project uses YBCO tape

>it was revealed to me in a dream

>>15615725
Ultra powerful coil guns, due to fast discharge of current loops
>>15615726
Yes because of all the extra mass needed for cooling. YBCO can handle thousands of amps per square millimetre.

>>15615746
Yeah, they don't tend to care much about cost.

>>15615718
>Also a 1000x performance and 5000x power reduction ceiling increase is not revolutionary
>Cope, seethe and dilate my friend

Build one you dumb bitch. The web 3.0 equivalent of Wired readers trying to explain why its easy to just swap out the semiconductor doping process for an entirely new one at an even SMALLER scale than the barely attainable one we have now.

Youre the one coping thinking that some new basic research is going to be the savior of your shitty civilization. This is maladaptive daydreaming.

>>15615742
there's something beautiful about that scenery.

>>15615538
One can put a lot of things in their bio. Like incorrect pronouns.

So all we have from the US side is that they tried it on a simulation, but no actual test right?

>>15615754
>>Youre the one coping thinking that some new basic research is going to be the savior of your shitty civilization. This is maladaptive daydreaming.

What the fuck are you talking about? Wait, I'm arguing with /pol/shit who gets his news from facebook aren't? Fuck, what a waste of time.

>>15615756
are you fucking kidding me?

>>15615762
Not that I would worry about.

>>15615491
If I wanted to feel nothing during sex, I'd wear a condom.

its 10% you fucking nafotroon, whiter than all of western europe kek

>>15615724
Did I say very difficult? It's theoretically possible to travel to Alpha Centauri, by the way. When do y you think you're going to do it?

We never thought it was theoretically impossible to build faster or better computers. There are infinite thing you can do once you stop thinking everything has to be an electrical cpu.

>>15615766
no. well the very visible trash in the 2nd pic sucks but other than that i love the atmosphere.

>>15615728
>abraham was born in modern day iran than came the joos - cristcuck, than pisslam
technically every abarahmic religion is shitskin

>>15615773
nigga there wont BE an atmosphere there soon

>>15615769
>20% islam in the capital of a european country
it's so unbelievably depressing and sad to me. i can't believe white elites are OK with this.
>inb4 jews
actual white elites support this shit too.

>>15615763
How else can you rationalize someone saying such stupid shit about this topic. What motivates them to engage in this level of manic self-delusion?

>>15615756
It is very unique.

>Satellite readings show that no other human enterprise — no power plant, no oil field, no other smelter complex — generates as much sulfur dioxide pollution as Norilsk Nickel. In fact, the only entities on Earth that rival its sulfur emissions are erupting volcanoes
>At 1.9 million tons of sulfur dioxide emissions annually, Norilsk produces as much sulfur pollution as the entire U.S. — all concentrated in a city the size of Eugene, Oregon.

>>15615781
its always jews, dont kid yourself.

>>15615769
Heckin based muslims in Russia amirite fellow Jewtinpede?
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/world/-muslims-to-make-up-30-of-russia-s-population-by-2034-/1409181

>>15614626
>>>/x/

>>15615729
>shitty subsidized gimmick to actually optimal.
They already are. EVs are going to be the most dominate car on the road in 10 years. I think people like you have not left your house.

>>15615731
Deal with it. The magical shit that a supposedly RTAP enables already exists.

So it seems, correct me if im wrong since I know little about science, but the reason some people are having magnetic qualities but no levitation is due to purity?

>>15615648
Read this post chain: >>15601675