/sci/ - Science & Math

Stream link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ixbPMe6684

Very detailed videos out of russia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q32Yh95pIbM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXVqTsx8k0k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mun4Y_vPc4s

>>15600464
Source is Russian propaganda, but everything in the videos are so old they dont hide anything.. Channel had ship CIC with no bluring.

Glass the Earth, demigod war eventually

>>15600478
>>15600464
For a Russian soldier, this does not look like a bad assignment

>>15600515
better than being blasted by a drone dropped grenade or smushed into a mobik cube.
tbf, KSC does have some heavy security in the shadows

>>15600464
this is just sad

>>15600477

>>15600477

>>15600450
the superconductor is REAL and SS V4 will ditch the tiles for an electromagnetic heat shield

Damn, deluge test and FH flight same day and /sfg/ still only got 520 replies.

>>15600574
For real, what would be the applications of the superconductor in spaceflight?

Continuing from the last thread, I did a bit of math on the electric solar moth. The classic 1979 thermal solar moth design (picrel) uses mirrors with 175m diameter, so 87.5m radius, which works out to about 32MW of solar energy at 1AU. Even with a relatively conservative 20% efficient concentrated-photovoltaic array at the focus point, that's about 6.57MW of delivered electricity, or 2.89MW of delivered electricity at Mars orbit, or 177.4kW at Jupiter orbit. That sort of energy budget wipes out the need for nuclear power in space for anything but landers operating out of line of sight of the sun closer than, say, Uranus. The only challenge would be finding an appropriate cooling system for the CPV cells.

Unless of course I'm reading this wrong and that's 175m diameter PER mirror, in which case you can double all of those power values.

so jupiter 3 is the largest geosynchronous sat ever at 9.2 tons, but FH can potentially do 22 tons to GTO. how long until somebody builds something that takes full advantage of it?

our solar system is a spaceship
We’ll run into another solar system soon right

>>15600580
What would the uptime be? Wouldn’t you need a handful?

we need inland launch sites like china and russia have

>cringe retard belief: firmament
>chad gigabrain belief: sublunary sphere

>>15600537

Robert Zubrin really fucking hates Russians holy shit lol

>>15600581
Keep in mind this isn't a GTO mission, this is a direct GEO insertion.
>how long until somebody builds something that takes full advantage of it?
IIRC Gateway PPE+HALO will be a fully-expended FH to either LEO or a transfer orbit and perform TLI / lunar capture with its own ion thrusters.

>>15600583
>What would the uptime be?
What do you mean uptime? It's a spacecraft power delivery system. That depends on the rest of the spacecraft: power conditioning/storage, thruster propellant budget, etc. Photovoltaics last over 20 years.

>>15600591
He spent the late Cold War at Martin Marietta with a security clearance. He probably has more reasons to hate Russians than we ever will.

>>15600586
Vandenberg but you launch more to the east

>>15600592
I mean it would need to be always pointing the target and somewhere specific on earth for power right

Wait is this beamed earth power?

>>15600600
No, this is concentrated solar for use in space. Just point it at the sun.

Pic related, just imagine instead of a heat exchanger and LH2 nozzle it's hittiing concentrated PV cells.

Is this being launched to a Lagrange point? What's with this orbit plot?

>>15600609
i don't know what you're looking at, but are you sure it isn't a plot relative to the earth's surface?

>>15600609
Direct insertion to geosynchronous orbit. Look at the altitude chart on the bottom right of the screen, it's going to hit peak at about 24,000km.

>>15600617
I'm looking at the livestream on youtube.
>>15600618
Oh, okay. Everywhere I looked wouldn't give any details on the final position beyond geosync.

>>15600621
>Everywhere I looked wouldn't give any details on the final position beyond geosync.
The payload brag piece before liftoff covered this, it's going to be over the Americas covering the whole contiguous US down through Brazil and Argentina and Chile, so somewhere between 90 and 120 degrees west longitude.

>>15600618
24000 miles right?

>>15600641
what was the first instance?

>9.2 ton commercial satellite
Why is it so big Jesus Christ

>>15600674
that's what she said

>>15600447
>less mass-sensitive PV panels instead of directly heating LH2
Solar thermal may still have a use for cislunar space tugs delivering time sensitive payloads as it has better thrust and Isp than electrothermal thrusters, but to address the actual point of your post, I really don't think solar panel deployment is that great of an obstacle despite that there are still failures. Thin-film PV panels can be made so light that it has made the case for solar concentrators a harder sell and they can be flexible blanket so they can be deployed like solar sails or put onto an inflatable structure.

In any case, the Solar Moth is an absolutely beautiful design.

>>15600674
It's a 1Tbps commsat that has 300 antennae.

>>15600686
>despite that there are still failures
It seems like the failure rate scales with the complexity of the panel unfolding, which is what made me suspect megawatt scale panel unfolding from standard payload fairings would be hard enough to need an alternative.

I was swimming in the ocean today and it got me thinking, what is the perceived gravity when you are standing in saltwater? I always enjoyed the low g feeling of bouncing off the bottom and wonder how close it to say Martian or lunar gravity?

>>15600745
It depends how deep you are. You still feel full gravity until the water starts lifting your torso off your legs.

>>15600745
It's dependent on your density relative to the water. If you're completely submerged and neutrally buoyant then you're in quasi-microgravity. That's why NASA uses a giant pool to train astronauts in.

nominal orbital insertion

>>15600825
Did they bounce off of the pinball barrier?

payload deploy coming up

Deployed

good deploy

>>15600727
To be fair the failure rate is artificially high because spacecraft manufactures are still using mostly using low specific power ridged PV panels and then they try to shave grams off the deployment mechanism so it doesn't eat too much into the mass budget. Ultraflex arrays like on Cygnus and Lucy are a bit different but I never liked that Pacman style design and it's old tech at this point.

ROSAs on the other hand should be able to scale up to near fairing size without much change in how they're deployed and with Starship plus other heavy lifters on the horizon, maybe we'll finally stop seeing people shoot themselves in the foot with their mass autism.

>>15600477

>>15600830
that's what GEO insert looks like, actually burns in nearly opposite direction to velocity
>successful deploy

>>15600576
I've been reading superconducting stuff more than /sfg/ lately even though there is pretty much no new information and only twitter scraps lmao

>>15600450
>gigantic flat plate
when did they stop pretending that mass optimization matters?

>>15600627
>BRAZIL MENTIONED

>>15600477
Did you wake up from coma? It's 2023, buddy, not 2010.

So how about that superconductor?

>>15600965
replication attempts ongoing, one chinese team might have gotten it. Even if it's real there are purity issues so it's possible that replication attempts fail due to small differences in process, still unclear

>>15600706
in other words slower than a starlink

>>15600745
1g
>>15600798
>quasi-microgravity
meds

>>15600983
>meds
Refute, pseud

>>15600995
That's not what microgravity is. It's pushing on your skin.

>>15601004
It's still practically useful to teach people how to maneuver in low/zero g. See; how astronauts are trained.

>>15600591
>>15600593
Jesus this guy is a warhawk

>>15601030

>>15600579
well if this leads to actual positive output fusion that could be applied for propulsion, allthough room temperature superconductors don't automatically lead to fusion, they make it a bit easier and perhaps allow you to make smaller reactors
STP SCs (standard temperature and pressure superconductors) would also mean it would be easier to make launch loops and other fixed launch infrastructure that uses electromagnetically accelerated payloads or the infrastructure itself is kept up by it like a space fountain
mass drivers on non-earth bodies would become more efficient as they would probably need less cooling, though current high-temperature superconductors might be able to be used in some places without any cooling already, idk

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Launch_loop
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_fountain
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_driver

>>15601004
Yes, dumbass, but it closely approximates the relevant effects on movement regardless of which mechanism is responsible. That's why "quasi" was in there.

>>15601030
Because he understands that WWIII leads to a global American hegemony and accompanying golden age of space as the fully-realized US empire turns its attention to the only place where new territory can be found.

>>15601060
/k/ope

>>15601060
My nigga our currency is collapsing in real time, everything is fucked and low IQ mongrels are breeding at a horrendous rate. Maybe 50 years ago you could have had this kind of copium but you are STRAIGHT delusional.

>>15601076
hello china shill

>>15601081
No argument found. I'm sure the tranny will be an excellent carrier battle group admiral.

>>15601060
lol

lmao

>>15601076
It'll be fine. We've gone a little insane without having a real solid knock-down-drag-out war in too long, but we're still the best armed and most competent by a wide margin.
War fixes a lot of social and economic problems.

>>15601095
>No argument found. I'm sure the tranny will be an excellent carrier battle group admiral
yup it's him alright

>>15601103
>War fixes a lot of social and economic problems

You're right, but not in the way you think. Try to draft white males, see how that goes for you.

>>15601030
Kids dismissing a cold war geezer's experience. Stalin would've toasted his 73rd birthday in Paris if you slack jawed faggots were in charge then.

>>15601114
Hell yeah brother keep sending those white goyim into the meat grinder! Give them some token obsolete weapons and we can keep it going until none are left!

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1685193118906236929

>>15601114
True, we should just cut to the chase and nuke russia so they can delete NY, Cali and all the other dogshit giant cities already.

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/07/rocket-report-starbase-comes-alive-again-china-launches-four-times/

Small Rockets
> China's Galactic Energy launches sixth successful mission.
> China launched three more orbital missions this week.
> Rocket Lab gearing up to fly again.
> ArianeGroup's reusable rocket subsidiary is moving slowly.

Medium Rockets
> A serious step toward space-based nuclear propulsion.
> Next SpaceX crew launch slips two days.
> Ariane 6 testing underway.

Heavy Rockets
> ULA is expanding its launch infrastructure at Cape Canaveral.
> Super Heavy is back on the pad at Starbase
> NASA control team completes first Artemis II launch simulation.

>>15601124
just san francisco.
san diego is nice

https://spacenews.com/ula-has-concerns-about-a-third-competitor-in-national-security-space-launch/

> CEO Tory Bruno: ‘It’s not competition if everybody wins’

>>15601133
Sorry califag, we are turning your whole repulsive state into mildly radioactive glass, it's the only way to be sure. Nothing personal and no hard feelings.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/28/ula-ceo-tory-bruno-vulcan-rocket-will-still-fly-this-year-after-engine-explosion.html

>>15601060
Now this is some incredible levels of delusion.

https://payloadspace.com/moon-history-for-sale-at-sothebys-space-auction/

https://www.space.com/japan-slim-moon-lander-launch-august-2023

>>15601135
Isn't the whole point having a competitive market so cheap, fast and high quality companies win over slow and expensive legacy contractors like ULA?

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1685202454508404736

>>15601135
> It’s not competition if everybody wins
>No BE4 engines
>It's not competition if you don't compete grandpa

>>15601103
But you aren’t going to have a war though. The US has refused to get directly involved in Ukraine and if they won’t do that then they definitely won’t get involved directly against China when they inevitably go for Taiwan.

I don’t know what your thought process is but the US is absolutely not going from strength to strength right now and it somehow seems to be getting worse and more insane continually every year without restraint.

I don’t want to imagine what it will look like 50 years from now.

>>15601147
I had my magister entrance exam this week, and the results are going to be on Monday instead of this Thursday like was initially promised. I'm fairly anxious.

>>15601145
yes, I'm not really understanding his point
I mean lets say there were only 3 providers that are proven to be able to launch and they want to pick 3, as far as I know they don't divide these up evenly between all of the competitors, but the first one gets many more than the second etc

and there might only be 2 competitors now (SpaceX and ULA), but soon there could be many, many more
this one is obviously aimed at BOs New Glenn (I've also seen some speculation about SLS but that seems retarded)
but then there is RocketLab, Firefly and Relativity Space, that should all have medium launchers coming online in something like 3-4 years
so they should be able to compete at least with later contracts?

>>15601153
engineering?

Reminder that Firefly hasn't launched for a year.

>>15601160
Software engineering.

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/07/nasa-temporarily-loses-contact-with-one-of-its-most-distant-spacecraft/

https://blogs.nasa.gov/sunspot/2023/07/28/mission-update-voyager-2-communications-pause/

>>15601171
>inadvertently

Not too long ago this would have been called gross incompetence

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/07/european-satellite-plunges-back-to-earth-in-first-of-its-kind-assisted-re-entry/

> ESA called it quits on the more than $500 million mission in April, then prepared to bring down the satellite. Aeolus first descended to an altitude of about 174 miles (280 kilometers) with nothing but the effect of aerodynamic drag. Then a sequence of thruster burns began lowering the orbit until a final maneuver Friday brought the altitude of the orbit's perigee, or lowest point, to just 75 miles (120 kilometers).

> Nature took care of the rest. The gentle push of drag from the uppermost wisps of Earth's atmosphere would have pulled Aeolus closer to Earth until it broke apart around 50 miles (80 kilometers) above the surface. ESA's ground team in Germany put the satellite on a trajectory where it was expected to burn up over the Atlantic Ocean.

https://twitter.com/AschbacherJosef/status/1684988056225353728

> Operations are over for @ESA_Aeolus. Latest tracking data confirms our final manoeuvre was successful, and the hard work and dedication of the teams has given Aeolus a great chance for safe reentry tonight. Its over to the Space Debris Office now for final moments #ByeByeAeolus

pretty weird something like this hasn't been tried before? literally just lower the orbit with the thrusters that you use to keep the satellite in orbit

>>15601151
>The US has refused to get directly involved in Ukraine and if they won’t do that then they definitely won’t get involved directly against China when they inevitably go for Taiwan.
Ukraine is a big pile of dirty laundry, Taiwan is globally strategic. The US has been making policy moves to bring emergency-capacity microchip production stateside as a stopgap for when the Taiwan fabs are temporarily out of commission. Once that capacity is in place, the CIA will manufacture some appropriate false flag and the war will kick off.

>>15601171
insanely incomptetent

>>15601182
it has been. esa is delusional as usual

>>15601171
stunning and brave

>>15601189
Shame that US fabs have been a fucking disaster and the TSMC execs are both shitting themselves and laughing at how absolutely useless and entitled burgers are when it comes to working at those plants.

>>15600965
If it works it means magnetic cosmic ray shielding is back on the menu

>>15601182
The difference is picking a safe spot and nailing it accurately rather than just lowering the orbit and letting the upper atmosphere have it reentry wherever. It's not really much for a first, but it wasn't designed for that purpose and it was some ancient piece of hardware that only was launched recently.

>>15601208
It was always on the menu stupid nigger. Current superconductors are perfectly usable for this.

>>15601201
A relatively minor issue

>>15601214
This. Cooling things with liquid nitrogen is not hard

>>15601215
>no one wants to work at the plant
>especially the super specific type of engineers we need
>relatively minor issue

Ogey, take your meds

>>15601219
>super specific type of engineers
no such thing. i found your problem tsmsoi

Does anyone have that picture where Starship is moving on the road and a family is walking with it? The we are going picture.

>>15601147
>desu
This guys one step away from TNG

>>15601219
Whiners like you will always be around to act like any problem that crops up is absolutely intractable and spells unavoidable doom while other people sit down and actually figure out a way to fix it.

>>15601182
ESA becoming third world like space agency

>>15601236
always has been

>>15601235
If a problem were solvable it would have already been solved. Efficient market hypothesis.

>>15601239
Efficient maket is fake hypothesis thou
It implies nobody has a market edge which is clearly false

>>15601239

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1685186044617256960

>>15601259

>>15601264

>>15601235
Get to work on those twelve hour days chud

>>15601120
I really hope Musk funds a space telescope instead of just spending it all on Mars.

>>15601143
If this and India's rover lands successfully, we will have the 4th and 5th countries to soft land on the moon just a few weeks apart

>>15601232
the star trek series?

>>15601381
you're a pedophile

>>15601503
yeah I remember that post
but I only watched 2 movies so far

>>15601503
No, that's me.

>>15601135
>‘It’s not competition if everybody wins’
that's wrong, because the default status is to lose. you can only win if you try. therefore you're at least competing with yourself.

>>15601581
Equal winner is first loser.

>>15601159
He might have a point if the Space Force is taking launches from the previously selected providers. Mainly because that is a shift in anticipated revenue, your margins per launch, etc. That said, if the third option turns out to be BO I am going to laugh at Tory.

>>15601034
>meme tech
>pop-science.jpg
There's no way those will ever happen, simply because there's too many faggots who would just love to throw a bomb at it. Russia can't even keep one little bridge from getting bombed, why do you think something 100 times the size won't be the largest durka magnet ever?

>>15601614
weren't they going to ramp up the amount of launches massively? I remember reading or scanning through some article that said that

>>15601628
not even the mass drivers?

https://youtu.be/e97pkRbjyRs
ufos are real, alient pilots

>>15601643
There is a whole bunch of aliens working at SpaceX right now

https://twitter.com/DrPhiltill/status/1685008728951549953

>>15601201

>>15601637
From Earth? They already never would have worked, spinfag.

>>15601654
Why is "alignment" the new buzzword for being a good goy? They use it for AI all the time.

>>15601650
really? how do you know this

>>15601690
they're speaking spanish :)

>>15601654
>Dude spending billions to let retards call schools from lunar surface is GEOPOLITICALLY IMPORTANT
>t. guys who have made careers doing governmental busywork

ok

>>15600592
nope, this one was GTO
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2023/07/falcon-heavy-echostar-24/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmx918LUiC4

>>15601801
That looks really anemic. That isn't going to do shit. Musk is finished this time.

How much longer until starship launch? What needs to be done before?

>>15601135
>>15601581
he's not wrong, but he's also a snake
Competition can exist only when there are companies with similar capabilities and similar running and product costs - like Coke and Pepsi
he's not really competing with SpaceX anymore (but he's not going to admit it)
he's competing with others for government gibs
ULA is still doing better than Astra or BO and he's pissed because they waste "his" money in an "unfair competition" that was never fair to begin with

Space travel will never be profitable

>>15601889
FAA investigation needs wrap up, thats still ~1-2 months away, but that wont stop OLM work and testing of new vehicles

>thread less than 12 hours old
>150+ posts
/Sfg/ is so back

Will superconductor make rockets obsolete?

>>15601889
Space X needs to get a permit for every single use of the deluge system 11 months in advance. Sorry, they won’t be launching again until July of next year.

>>15601915
no

>>15601915
Potentially

>>15601915
can you repeat the question?

>>15601201
They aren't even finished being built yet, you retard. One of them is right next to me.

>>15601629
Space Force? Yeah, they want to turn KSC into an airport. However, let's be real, there exists only one company that could meet that demand and it isn't ULA.

>>15601915
Reply hazy, try again

>>15601942

we're too reliant on florida for space launches, its dangerous

>>15602019
see >>15600595

>>15601895
I’m still struggling to understand his point. From the quotes provided in the article, it seems like his chief concern is that many western global heavy rockets will be backlogged by Amazon. But I don’t know what that has to do with government procurement

Wow, just realized there's only one American on Crew-7

>>15602051
Yup. And their patch is pretty sweet

>>15602039
Why can't ULA just give precedence to national security over Amazon? Is Amazon just paying that much more?

>>15602063
Wait no fucking way lol, is he complaining that Amazon has screwed them out of being able to launch for the government??
Loooooooooool

Are MLV/Neutron powerful enough to carry a crewed vehicle to an orbital destination?

>>15602007
Still hasn't put a single payload into orbit.

>Elon Musk’s Unmatched Power in the Stars
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/07/28/business/starlink.html

>>15601151
The US has a window of opportunity to kneecap China before it becomes too powerful to stop.
Most likely they will try to put a sanctions regime on them that forces them to abandon their long term strategic plan and instead take a risky all or nothing gamble, much like Japan in the 1940s.

>>15602081
On paper it’s JUST enough to get a crewed vehicle to orbit, but that vehicle needs to be cucked like soyuz—not fat like Orion. I guess you could launch it in expendable mode if you wanted something bigger

>>15600447
>>15600686
https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/76425321.pdf
been thinking about this report bros
if it's not over this seems like the best direction to move in. see table 3.

>>15602102
nice production value

>>15602102
>Musk bad because he wont allow us to use his satellites that he donated for free as a weapons platform

>>15602143
>musk

>>15602102
Another hit pieces with 0 substance

>>15602154
True dat

https://www.businessinsider.com/oceangate-cofounder-send-humans-live-venus-atmosphere-2050-titan-sohnlein-2023-7?

reposting

> But OceanGate is not Söhnlein's only venture. The businessman's latest — and possibly grandest — endeavor is to send 1,000 humans to live in Venus' atmosphere by 2050.

> He maintains his plan is not as crazy as it seems. "I think it is less aspirational than putting a million people on the Martian surface by 2050," he told Insider.

> But for Human2Venus, the question is not "why Venus."

> "Perhaps a better question would be 'Why not?'" its website reads.

>>15602102
> Mr. Musk, who leads SpaceX, Tesla and Twitter, has become the most dominant player in space as he has steadily amassed power over the strategically significant field of satellite internet. Yet faced with little regulation and oversight, his erratic and personality-driven style has increasingly worried militaries and political leaders around the world, with the tech billionaire sometimes wielding his authority in unpredictable ways.

lol, it became important due to Musk
LEO internet constellations didn't exist before musk

>>15602102
https://archive.is/CEcjj
>Elon Musk is an agent of Chaos
From the same reporter, Adam Satariano

is it practical to make neutrally buoyant things on gas giants?
seems like them being made of hydrogen and helium would somewhat limit your available options for lifting gasses

>>15602102
Pay. For. Starshield. Cunts.

>>15602169
Uhm, no sweaty, Musk doesn't do anything. He just pays people.

>>15602169
okay they seem to mention this, but only later and not very clearly

>>15602169
They are scared because they got used to doing the bare minimum in return for huge contracts for over fifty years. And they failed to see the writing on the wall when F1 / early F9 flights were ramping up
I hope all defense contractors get forced to exit the launch industry

>>15602175
It would probably be more efficient to send a wave rider instead of a buoyancy craft

>>15602169
>Yet faced with little regulation and oversight
What the fuck does this even mean? That Starlink should face arbitrary oversight and regulation because it's LEO internet and not ground internet like the Big Five in the US? No one regulates those cunts.

Will MADV ever happen?

>>15602216
Complaining about SpaceX and regulations is code for “I’m on the payroll of someone who is scared of Musk disrupting their industry”

>>15602219
no, and you can take this answer to the bank. Oldspace has proven they can only handle one big project at a time (and even then they still fuck around and inevitably ask for more time/money)

LM will be locked up for the next 10-20 years trying to build hardware for BO’s SLD lander. MADV isn’t even on the radar. They just say it is so normies get excited

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV2AexANG34

Anton Petrovs take on the SC

>>15601899
Sending rich fags to fuck around in LEO will be profitable soon

>>15602103
Or like Russia they will just harden themselves against sanctions until they will have a negligible effect on it’s power if ever applied. Not like meaningful sanctions are even possible against them because of how incredibly important they are economically to the rest of the world and how dependent everyone is on their products which if they were cut off then either prices for basically everything would skyrocket as production would have to be moved back to the west or until production could be ramped up in some other substitute nation like India for example but the damage in the meantime would be catastrophic for everyone and many nations that aren’t US vassal states might just accept getting sanctioned to continue trading with China as it’s too important.

>>15602102
>Mr. Musk, who has criticized President Biden but whose technology is unavoidable
HOW DARE ELON SAY ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT OUR DEAR LEADER

>>15601171
>oopise made the spacecraft point the wrong way
grim, how do you even make mistakes with shit like this? did they fucking fat finger and not check their work?

>>15602162
>I'm innoovating!

>>15601367
that'd be a much better ego project
>you mirror is 20 ft?
>well we'll build one that's 200 ft!

Anons, let's say, hypothetically, that you were building something near a wildlife preserve. How could one go about, I dunno, buying it or something so they environmentalists would leave you alone?


https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-didnt-get-permit-for-starship-flame-deflector-system-report-2023-7#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16906348463289&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.businessinsider.com%2Fspacex-didnt-get-permit-for-starship-flame-deflector-system-report-2023-7

>>15602313
ESGhound FUD

>>15602296
From what I remember off the top of my head, they use a ton of unconventional methods to maneuver it. The gyroscope has been turned off for a while now, and they had to turn on a thruster on either V1 or V2 that hasn’t been used for decades just to get a few degrees of rotation. These things are janky antiques that really should have been dead 30 years ago. It’s a miracle they are even still useful at this point.
To put it into perspective, it’s only 2° away from “earth-pointing” right now due to this mistake. And it won’t be correctable until October

>>15602313
Hey man, you gotta understand. When we said that Elon was a moron for not building a flame diverter with a water system, we meant that he should have built a vertical one like NASA! Because NASA! Not this horizontal one that's not like NASA! Because that's bad!

>>15602269
Is there a comma shortage in Shenzhen?

Really good article on Starlink

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/07/28/business/starlink.html

>>15602406
Archive or fuck off. Also, it's full of FUD based off the snippets previously posted in here.

>>15602406
it was actually pretty run of the mill hitpiece on musk
good graphics, shit tier content

>>15602406
>nytimes

>>15602438
>good graphics, shit data
because apparently we were launching as many satellites per year in the 1990s as we were back during the 60s and 70s when spy satellites used film canisters and had to be launched weekly.

>>15602406
What all proposed megaconstellations will look like once they are all built out
>Starlink in yellow

Starlink is not the only company working in low-Earth orbit. This simulation shows the combined plans of seven companies that filed with the International Telecommunication Union to launch close to 71,000 satellites in coming years, nearly 42,000 of which are from Starlink.


>Note: The simulation data is based on filings from Starlink, OneWeb, Kuiper, Telesat, Guowang, Astra and Globalstar, which have not yet been fully authorized.

Since when was Astra working on a megaconstellation

>>15602462
Wew lad that compression was shit

But you get the idea, thats allot of fucking satellites

>>15602462
bit rate? yes, I would like one bit please

>>15602406
NYT runs this SpaceX fud today
Reuters runs Tesla FUD a day ago
Bloomberg runs Tesla FUD a day ago

LMAO. Something is happening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yqes7A7Ipns

>US: tens of billions in development cost, 27t to TLI
>China: moderate costs, 27-30t to TLI

What went wrong?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-bC8gi0QRQ

starbase weekly starts soon
a stream where a bunch of people ramble for 3h

>>15602529
why do the Chinese still need fins for their rockets

>>15602484
well musk had a spaces with vivek yesterday, a republican presidentail candidate that is number 3 on the polls now

>>15602538
So thats what triggered them?

>>15602552
no, they just come in waves. You sort of become numb to them. I remember the ~2016 Tesla hit pieces, boy those were bad. Like, an article about how "elon doesn't like the color yellow so they removed the yellow safety lines in his factories"

>>15602552
not sure, I'm not really sure this is out of the ordinary
maybe threads failing or something?
but there has been hitpieces/fud at him for a very long time now

>>15602536
It’s a canon event every rocket designer falls into. Long Lehao will figure it out eventually; they aren’t needed. Even WvB added fins to the Saturn V and realized they were just dead weight

Hop when?

>>15602587
hop? anon, there are more important things in life, like a sign on the X hq

>>15602566
Yea the established elites have been waging a war against him for a long time. But instances of clustered hit pieces appearing together happen every few months for specific reasons

>>15602593

>>15602529
Nothing. Both projects are succeeding at what they set out to do.

>>15602611
Lol true

Will someone ever make a medium-heavy rocket made specially for rideshare? Think about Transporter 7, imagine a rocket made solely for that

>>15602635
Why not Starship?

>>15601628
You're right, we should exterminate all sandniggers and then built a launch loop.

>>15602564
lol i remember that

Deluge test means nothing. Wake me up when a static fire happens,

>>15602566
>scams he got away with
A scam is only a scam if there is an exit strategy. EDS is unironically real and terminal.

>>15602694
apparently saying 2 weeks, it taking actually 4 weeks but still delivering is a scam

>>15602566
>Moskovitz
>Russian Jew
Every time.

EDS Dilemma

>>15602692
>static fire means nothing. Wake me up when an integrated flight test happens
>integrated flight test means nothing. Wake me up when a booster catch
>booster catch means nothing. Wake me up when an orbital refueling happens
>orbital refueling means nothing. Wake me up when hls lands on the moon
>hls landing means nothing. Wake me up when starship mars landing happens

>>15602701
it's the musk superposition principle:
>Musk isn't the reason for his companies success, he's a moron
>I won't use musk company products because he leads them

>>15602713
Also

>Musk is the reason Tesla/SpaceX/X/Neuralink/BoringCompany is a failure! He's fraud!
>Musk didn't do anything! His employees did it! Tesla/SpaceX/X/Neuralink/BoringCompany success is inspite of Musk

>>15602701
Who else in the world is seen as powerful and all-controlling, at the same time is weak and under attack and needing billions of dollars in support?

>>15602726
Biden. Biden is senile and controlled by the Clinton political group.

>>15602529
This post has convinced me that China is not weak, but in fact strong

Reposting because it's incredible.

>>15602726
Water u implying

>>15601159
>I'm not really understanding his point
There is no point, just the desparate doublethink of a company at serious risk of irrelevance in the medium term.

>>15602707
>mars landing means nothing, wake me up when manned mars landing happens
>manned mars landing means nothing, wake me up when a permanent colony is started
>permanent colony means nothing, wake me up when there are more than 100 permanent people living on the colony

>>15602701
It is not terrible complicated. Elon is a genuinely competent administrator/businessman that rode the Silicon Valley bubble, but then got high on his own supply and now thinks himself as being Jesus. That explain a lot of his increasingly weirder and more erratic decision making as of late.

>>15602756
Like what?

>>15602759
Twitter in general, Boring Company, some Tesla stuff.

>>15602763
Any exact decisions?

>>15602765
The QAnon stuff that has been going on is pretty far out there.

>>15602771
Any specific stuff?

>>15602765
Just about every decision he's made involving Twitter and the Boring Company. Take your pick.

>>15602775
you are a retard, that is not specific

>>15602775
The decision to rename Twitter to X is Musk thinking himself as Jesus? Buying Twitter is because Musk thinks himself Jesus?

How does that work?

>>15602774
Yeah, reinstating that QAnon guy's Twitter account after he posted CP despite being told by his sensitive material team not to do that because it was CP and the FBI also said it was CP.

>>15602765
Twitter have stuff such as the infamous “600 views a day”, the X rebrand, and Elon bragging about personally intervening to give a guy that posted CP his account back(and arguably the buying of twitter itself was a terrible idea), Boring is just a shitshow in general, and Tesla have large issues with quality control and cars failing to live up to the stated specs which are by most accounts tied to top-down decisions to cut corners.

>>15602785
Willful spread of CP for sexual purpose
vs
Unintentional spread of CP for the purpose of mockery/public information purposes

Difference is in intent.

>>15602759
renaming tweeting to x.
not even xeeting, or xing, just x

>>15602791
>>15602794
How does that have anything to do with Jesus? Are you trying to cling on to any random arguments?

>>15602785
>CP
Was he posting actual child porn or was be posting pictures of Hunter Biden fucking a kid? Because one of those things is a lot different from the other.

>>15602801
Not the poster, but I suspect its likely a Hunter Biden child porn pictures. I think I saw one where he had little girls strip dancing on pole for him.

>>15602800
were you taking that literally? is that your problem? I took it to mean he though highly of himself

>>15602807
So you're saying he has high self-esteem and therefore his decisions are erratic and therefore EDS is justified?

>>15602800
Unless you thought I meant that he literally things he is the 2nd Coming, the Jesus-analogy is that he thinks that his enterprises will save or help mankind in some dramatic way. For example, he have already said that thinks that electric cars will help with global warming, boring was supposed to fix traffic in major cities, hell, he even talked about how twitter is supposed to be some public forum of free speech back in like 2020, when the topic of partisan internet censorship was raging.

>>15602822
And SpaceX was supposed to save the light of consciousness for the universe. He's always had a saviors complex, if thats what you're referring to.

Its not a recent thing. What you think of as "erratic" can be interpreted as fast paced. What is described as "weird" can be interpreted as you not noting understanding the intention factor. Musk wants to create an "everything" company. He bought twitter because it was the cheapest option for him that he can afford, with the largest established user base. Its only an erratic/werid if you dont understand his 20+ years motive that he had lying around.

>>15602793
Based
vs
Cringe

>>15602829
There is a big difference between having great ambitions and thinking that you can do no wrong, the later which have been more characteristic of Elon’s recent behavior.

>>15602213
>PLUTO ramjet flying across Jupiter from the equator to a pole
hnng

>>15600605
Thumbnail looks like the underside of a DICK.

>>15602841
If Musk thought he could do no wrong, then he wouldn't have changed anything with his decisions. He's made multiple decisions, reconsidered many things. I think you're purposefully ignoring this to advance your own narrative.

Musk moves fast is all that you get if you remove your EDS goggles. If some changes are bad, then its reverse or tuned differently.

>>15602801
>>15602806
It was apparently a photo from those taken by Swirlface, that Australian who is serving something like 160 years in prison.

>>15602845
Eyyyyyyyyy this is the exact photo I had in my head when I made my post; I just couldn’t locate it in my huge /sfg/ folder

>>15602794
how is that erratic? there is a very clear reason if you just listened to what he says
the point is to distance x from the twitter era, because it will become much, much more
no short 280 long messages anymore, but long form text, long videos, livestreaming, massive chatrooms, payments, banking etc

>>15602861
If your source of information is the MSM, then everything Elon Musk does is erratic/weird.

I think some of the posters here are suffering from MSM propaganda.

>>15602822
> already said that thinks that electric cars will help with global warming
this is true
> boring was supposed to fix traffic in major cities
this is ongoing, they just finished two new tunnels in las vegas
it takes time to develop the technology
> how twitter is supposed to be some public forum of free speech back in like 2020
yes and he did that

doing good things or trying to do them is now being jesus? or thinking you are jesus?
what the fuck

>>15602861
>no short 280 long messages anymore, but long form text, long videos, livestreaming, massive chatrooms, payments, banking etc
Holy shit you are actually a cultist.

>>15602846
cannot unsee

>>15602875
It's a social media website, dude. Not losing your shit about its changes doesn't make you a cultist, it just means you're not weirdly fucking obsessed.

>>15602875
what do you mean? that is the goal, some of it has already been implemented
please work out your thinking process here explicitly
you say musks decisions are erratic because he has changed the name of twitter to x
x is something he has been talking about for years, the concept of a superapp is also something that he has been talking about for years and he has explicitly said that changing the name from twitter to x is so the company is no longer associated just with tweeting
planning for years =/= erratic
just because you refuse to listen to what he says does not mean he is erratic, it means you are wilfully ignorant
does it mean he will succeed with x? no of course not
but erratic? no

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1685363794090819584

>>15602910
hopefully new twitter in app crypto payments or crypto twitter bank

>>15602921
Its an announcement that he actually hates earthers and is going to move to mars, the base is now ready

>>15602910
I want it to be about spaceflight but it wont be

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1685366045899444224

I think he might be trolling

>Chemical Combustion Power Systems For Extreme Environment Planetary Landers
>The extreme environments and low solar availability on the surfaces of Venus and Europa translate to significant power and thermal management challenges for planetary lander missions. The longest lasting mission to the surface of Venus was Venera 13 with a mission duration of 127 hours. In-situ reactant-using metal combustion power systems have been proposed as promising solutions but have not yet been analyzed in detail or experimentally demonstrated and characterized. In this dissertation, a detailed thermodynamic and heat transfer model of a conceptual lithium combustion power system is first formulated. This analysis finds that a lithium combustion power system using in-situ atmospheric carbon dioxide as an oxidizer could power a Venus lander with 14 kWth of thermal energy for five days with 185 kg of fuel. Even greater mission durations are possible if lower power missions are considered. The potential performances of a lithium and carbon-dioxide powered Stirling engine and sulfur-sodium batteries are compared. It is found that sulfur-sodium batteries would require about 176% to 246% more mass to provide 1 kW of power output for mission durations of five to ten days, respectively. A lithium combustion power system with a sulfur-hexafluoride oxidizer is also analyzed for a Europa lander. This system could provide 94 W of power for up to twenty days with 43 kg of reactants mass. Lithium and carbon-dioxide combustion tests are performed to characterize the practical yield of lithium fuel and the heat of combustion from the reaction. Lithium yield estimates are found to range over ~42 – 98%, depending on operating conditions. Based on these data, future in-situ reactant using-lithium combustion powered missions to Venus and Mars could achieve a fuel specific energy of ~25.6 MJ kg-1.
https://etda.libraries.psu.edu/catalog/18663czg5155

>>15602910
I do not give a fuck unless it has something to do with space, which it won’t

>>15602335
Commas are for fags

>>15603004
Commas are for people without gay-ass punctuation-free keyboards.

>>15603020
Sounds like fag talk desu.

>>15600605
It can't get the fuel over the temperature of the sun, 5000C is too cold for propulsion. Solar capture and then ion engines >>>. Nice try though.

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1685373308127318016

>>15601124
California is my city

Haha I just watched jupiter 3. Didn't see the third booster land on the droneship. Guess it's *lost in space* muskyboys. danger! danger will robertson! hahahaha

https://twitter.com/Aristos_Revenge/status/1685309053646364672

>>15603129
https://twitter.com/9mm_smg/status/1685327642155696128

>>15603129
La'an is about to feel IBJIYONGI's wrath at an unprecedented scale.

>>15602963
Real mask off moment

>>15603129
She’s going to have to find a new job in some strange, new world

>>15603140
terminal EDS

>>15602963
Everything the Biden admin/censorship police/hall monitors doesn't like is misinformation.

Its a mockery post making fun of people using the term "misinformation" as if its something illegal or evil.

NASA showed off the first pic of the extended F9 fairing.

>>15603153
Nice they photographed it along literally the most useless axis hahahaha

>>15603152
yes, but I think it might directly relate to this as well which was posted 10 min before >>15602910

>>15603169
It doesn't mean much given Musk posts throughout the day, so the firm connection cannot be established

>>15603129
https://twitter.com/Trash4Fun/status/1685325706874548224

>>15603153
why do they need this

>>15603202
Gateway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr_MjZwKzOc

>>15603153
I wonder what livery all the Artemis FHs will feature? I hope NASA puts some creativity into it
I miss all the sweet logos from the early 2000s, I wish they would have kept all the names and patches even after everything got cancelled. Space Launch System? Just keep calling it Ares. Human Landing System? Just tell SX it’s official name is Altair

if elon dies it really is well and truly over

>>15603201
nobody notices that the poster here is using the name of a startrek character

lol

lmao even

>>15603235
>>15603143

>>15603143
Fucking dammit
>>15603244

Why do Europeans have contempt for Americans and American companies?

>>15603252
It's cope

>>15603252
>>15603259
>It's cope
Yep.
When your continent's governments won't allow you to do anything without a permit, you can't help but mock the successes of people who don't have to deal with their crap.

>>15603235
Do we really have to point it out every time it's posted? It's not new.

>>15603234
nope
he's packed SpaceX full of people with his same vision for the future. It would be fine.

>>15603265
You still need a good leadership. Elon is in his 50s. Shotwell is 59 and aging. Both needs solid replacements for healthy company/future.

>>15603270
They aren't out of the running yet and their mission is not complete.

>>15603259
yes, cope for the continuing failures of Ariane and Vega

>>15603277
But without a leadership in line, for Elon to see how the next generation of leadership would do, he's basically gambling on who the next leadership would be and how they would react in case both him/shotwell die randomly.

Strong and healthy, who thinks of their mortality until it strikes like lightning? SpaceX needs a clear/guided succession when Musk/Shotwell are both wel/healthy. So that they can correct mistakes/guide the next leadership.

>>15603270
>CAR-OU-SEL
>CAR-OU-SEL
faggot

>>15603151
it's a joke, get it? mask off. because musk spreads covid misinformation. and he's also revealing that he knows he's doing it, and enjoys it. he shows his true intensions

>>15603292
It means you're suffering from EDS

>>15603292

>>15602910
Starship 2

>>15600593
isn't that a company that makes asphalt? Why does he need a security clearance for that?

>>15603302
Martin Marietta is one of the precursor companies that was merged to form Lockheed Martin.

>>15601120
Newtonchads... we won!

>>15601915
>>15600579
>In theory, it is possible for a magnetic sail to launch directly from the surface of a planet near one of its magnetic poles, repelling itself from the planet's magnetic field. However, this requires the magnetic sail to be maintained in its "unstable" orientation. A launch from Earth required superconductors with 80 times the current density of the best known high-temperature superconductors as of 1991.
Rocketcucks will be on suicide watch and far northern Canada will have a yuuge spaceport

Is seems like a no brainer for Northrop Grumman to acquire Firefly right?

>>15603327
they will yeah

Elon Musk is burning the retinas of homosexuals in San Francisco and you're laughing
https://twitter.com/realchrisjbeale/status/1685353135236403200

What did they mean by this?

>>15603338
the Twitter HQ is quite small actually

>>15603341
DID THEY NOT LISTEN TO ELON
HE HAS SAID FH DEV WAS PROBABLY NOT WORTH IT AND DUMB

>>15603338
based

>>15603338
wew

>>15603235
I've seen this copypasta multiple times now from multiple different people, it's probably not real

>>15603353
I wonder if this is some clear "fuck you" to somebody

>>15603338
>>15603353

>>15603357
Elon wants to transform San Fran to a cyberpunk city, with neon signs everywhere

jokes aside if I was a cityfag and someone put up a sign like that I would be distressed

>>15603363
you need to jump off the roof

>>15603359
>neon signs
That wasn't neon, I think it was laser from what it was doing to the camera.

https://twitter.com/RGVaerialphotos/status/1685091648991068160

>>15603380
mmm wafer

>>15603374
Starship is upper left

based

>>15601120
Why the fuck does roon tolerate this bloviating cocksucker being a reply-guy to him

>>15603374
> every discipline thinks theirs is the most important
> the ruling class wants you to believe your discipline is not relevant productivity is maximized if you stop wasting time optimizing and SHIP MORE SHIT

This image is propaganda for the ruling class

https://twitter.com/xDaily/status/1685406154522816512

>>15603434
https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/28/23811561/command-line-inside-elon-musk-x-twitter-rebrand-worldcoin-sam-altman

>>15603421
He's indian, that's just standard behavior for them

x is worth like 15 bil right? Place your bets for its worth in a year

>>15603450
60 bil

https://twitter.com/GraviticsInc/status/1685404410573385728

>>15603450
I thought Elon spent 40 billion on it.

>>15603456
"When his cousin Peter Rive visited in early 1999, he found Musk poring over books about the banking system. “I’m trying to think about what to start next,” he explained. His experience at Scotiabank had convinced him that the industry was ripe for disruption. So in March 1999, he founded http://X.com..
His concept for http://X.com was grand. It would be a one-stop everything-store for all financial needs: banking, digital purchases, checking, credit cards, investments, and loans. Transactions would be handled instantly, with no waiting for payments to clear. His insight was that money is simply an entry into a database, and he wanted to devise a way that all transactions were securely recorded in real time. “If you fix all the reasons why a consumer would take money out of the system,” he says, “then it will be the place where all the money is, and that would make it a multitrillion-dollar company.”

Gravitics ISS module?

https://twitter.com/graviticsinc/status/1685404410573385728?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

The ISS National Laboratory (ISSNL) is an organization that uses the microgravity environment of the International Space Station to conduct science research and experiments that benefit both space exploration and life on Earth.

ISSNL's efforts have become a global endeavor, facilitating 3,000+ research investigations involving 100+ countries. Their mission is to foster a scalable and sustainable low Earth orbit economy, promote public-private partnerships, and drive scientific literacy.

ISSNL is operated by the Center for Advancement of Science in Space (CASIS) under a Cooperative Agreement with @NASA. CASIS, NASA, and @astrosociety team up every year to host the International Space Station Research and Development Conference (ISSRDC), where participants harness the distinct conditions of the ISS and space to address critical research and development challenges. The conference serves as a unique opportunity to explore space-based opportunities, network with industry leaders, and advance innovations that benefit humanity and foster a thriving market in low Earth orbit.

Gravitics is looking forward to participating at ISSRDC in support of @ISS_CASIS this year in Seattle.
#SpaceStationSaturday

>>15603466
I think he spent something like 13 bil, other investors 17 and 13bil of loans
43 or something was the purchase price
not absolutely sure about the portion that musk spent, might have been up to 20 bil

>>15603438
>it's crypto shit
Elon, you dumb retard.

>>15603484
wtf? what gave you that impression

>>15603484
that's altman's company, unrelated to X

>>15603421
what's a reply-guy?

When will starling come to the balkans

>>15603503
2024 per the map

>>15603503
>>>/pol/

>>15603450
15 tril

https://twitter.com/RocketLab/status/1685377861262450688

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1685325910788980738

NASA is getting old

>>15603503
us balkaniggers couldn't afford it anyway

>>15603443
O right forgor

Where doxx

>>15603539
Time to retire

>>15603471
Attendance at an industry conference isn't really indicative of anything beyond networking. Plus Gravitics social media posts a lot about unrelated space station stuff anything.

>>15603534
6.5h to launch

https://www.rocketlabusa.com/live-stream

>>15603353
>wanna see the most annoying sign in the world?

https://twitter.com/PolarisProgram/status/1685301115607281664
When do they stop flying migs and start flying dragons?

>>15603233
Doubt it'll be much. The crew flights (except DM-2) only get NASA logos on the second stages. Custom first stage liveries are difficult with reuse, and I think even fairing logos are getting rarer. Plus, the custom livery for DM-2 is rare not just for Falcons, but rockets in general.

Two american guys who worked at lockheed martin are now claiming they've made another, completely different room temp, ambient pressure superconductor. Patent was file two years ago and accepted a few weeks ago, they're going public now because of the hype
https://twitter.com/TajQuantum/status/1685411936555368449
https://image-ppubs.uspto.gov/dirsearch-public/print/downloadPdf/11710584

>>15603270
He’s got about 15 good years of leadership left assuming he doesn’t get taken out early and in that time he should have either groomed one of his many children or underlines to lead after him, Mars and the moon will likely have some kind of permanent presence by then and starlink along with starship contracts will be bringing in such absurd amounts of money that Spacex may be the most profitable company on the planet thus bankrolling ever greater projects and colonies.

Again all assuming you doesn’t get fucked up before then which is still a very real possibility considering the amount of enemies he has made in government.

>the X logo on top of the twitter building flashes
What the FUCK is going through his mind?
https://twitter.com/LolOverruled/status/1685339679032287233

>>15603671
>Simply putting "World's First" in your paper title doesn't actually mean you are the first

I can feel the seethe through the screen, get fucked locksneed niggers.

>>15603681
Based king, all my niggas hate epileptic children

>oh no the flashing lights I'm having a seizure aaaaaaaaaa save me

Haha get fucked

>>15603666
>Plus, the custom livery for DM-2 is rare not just for Falcons, but rockets in general.
Big Jim was cooking

>>15603671
They say they will have videos next week
https://twitter.com/TajQuantum/status/1685428699707924480

>>15603731
>faster than 2 weeks
Are they insane

All rockets should have vertical text (except Firefly because they have an ugly font)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYVvY4D4MKA
PSLV launch coming up ~15 min

>>15603353
that building corner and lighting looks oddly familiar...

>>15603338
Homosexuals are finally seeing how annoying the spectrum is when it is forced upon you

>>15603986
underrated bost

>>15603940
LIFTOFF NORMAL

>>15603412
this should be illegal. someone needs to go to prison for this. ukraine was supposed to lose

>>15604013
but it is

>>15603731
lmao they are such obvious frauds

>>15604013
They're at the point where they're conscripting pensioners and fifteen year olds. Give them a little bit.

>>15603962
?

>>15604022
nice, wasn't Russia at that point about a year ago?

>>15603940
This launch totally slipped under my radar
got in five minutes late and the first thing I heard was NARMAL

Wow, an ISRO map that includes Sri Lanka

>>15604032
errr ummmmmmmmm
*shits pants*
BLYAT

>>15604032
Yes.

>>15604021
the company looks sketchy but the patent is legit and the guy sounds like an engineer. Also don't see the point of making it up, people are already super skeptical
Either way we'll see on Monday

>>15604045
People patent completely made up bullshit all the time

>>15604032
russia hasn't even deployed a quarter of its army dumbass

>>15604032
If there's one thing Russia never seems to run out of its warm bodies for the army. They've got a ways to go before they get near All Adults
Serve

VEHICLE PERFORMANCE NARMAL

>>15604045
>looks sketchy
it's an actual total crypto pajeet scam

>>15604046
Yeah but the point is they filed 2 years ago so it's not bs made up to capitalize on the current hype

>>15604058
it's called a pump and dump

good job sirs